As an American, consumers are powerless to corporations. As long as republicans consider corporations to have more rights than actual people nothing will change. I'm willing to bet you that absolutely no lawsuits will prevail for ticketholders for this event. No court is ever going to provide any of them with any legal remember. Come comment here if I get proven wrong. But I wont be.
To record the video at that time of night is proper dedication. You guys deserve that view for everything you've done this year. Big step starting on your own, but you're killing it, enjoy the rewards.
Like you pay all the money for a FIRST TIME EVENT, and get kicked out? For what? Like some people may have only bought one practice session ticket and now they have nothing to show for it like wtf
I think it's clear the FIA hates Americans and wants 3 more races in UAE and Dubai so their plan is to ruin all the US races This is a joke but imagine.
Coming to the Lawsuit Capital of the World and telling people "You don't get to see anything and you don't get a refund" in order to not lose money - is the surest way to lose money. Great job F1 😂
I was in the Sphere zone from 6pm to 1.30am when we got kicked out, I was obvs furious. First ever GP and leaving FP1 made we wonder if I even wanted to keep following the sport. Then after being kicked out, I was even more angry to see some fans still in stands on the strip, and there's me trying to see some cars through the barriers that they put up to stop you doing that. So paid a fortune to see F1, and ended up being blocked by a dark screen and going to bed listening to them. To be fair the Sphere zone was rocking until FP1 ended, after that it was like the apocalypse had happened
I can't imagine how insulting it would have felt to hear the cars you paid to see instead of watching them on track, what a tragedy of a race weekend so far.
@nathancomley2721 it was more insulting to have your view intentionally blocked on the strip, I get it, but I didn't care. Then to make matters worse the sky sports app wouldn't work. I don't think this will have won over any new audiences in the US
Wow I didn’t know you guys got kicked out I left at 1:00 cause my hotel was far away and I figured why it’s just practice that sucks man also not sure why it’s time stamping but okay XD
@forpiepress1964 yea and I only had a ticked for Thursday as well, so FP1 was once in a lifetime chance to see F1. They let you stay in general admission for FP2 but yea, like the guys said, we waited on a promise given that it would restart but then got kicked out. Apparently due to staff contracts expiring at 1.30 but then why not kick the fans out at the time the 2am message was first broadcast. Probably terrible management.
they had no staff left to ensure the safety of people in the grandstands, so what other choice did they have? Harsh I agree, and they should definitely get refunds. But there are other workers there who are paid a contract for certain hours, so if they were over those hours and had to leave what else could could they have done realistically in a short space of time?
@@sadmanh0 I assume just generic safety from each other, like logistically (even though I hate to use their term) getting everyone out safely for them to reopen the main strip back to the public maybe. I'm not defending any action here, just giving the clearer picture rather than everyone just saying "They got kicked out for no reason at all".
@@SuPeRsHaDiC103 if it's for the track to open to public again that makes even less sense since at that point it's just public space. The only way what you're saying makes sense is if F1 instead of hiring people to work all night to keep random public to get into the grandstands just lock the gate or something, which I find extremely unlikely, usually the city police force manages stuff like that.
I'm from the US and I really only care about Austin in terms of the American tracks. It's a proper track with the facilities to support a smooth and enjoyable race weekend without making it a circus. I had a wonderful time at COTA and I'm glad I wasn't able to get tickets to Vegas because this seems to disorganized. I would have been so disappointed being asked to leave.
that's the way it's going now. even in silverstone this year people who live there were being stopped by rent a cop for just walking home on the path etc. people were told they couldn't stand on the bridge and watch the Red Arrows , all roads were closed causing carnage, taxis that had been booked to pick people up were denied access etc etc etc etc.
@@BlackHaloO Then please enlighten us - what happened? :O I dont really have a way to dig deeper. I can only see what`s on the channels. And I dont really watch that other channel any more.
The worst part of the night was waiting for my Uber outside of the event after being kicked out, and watch on my phone how the cars are getting ready for FP2 as I’m heading home instead of being in the grandstand that I paid good money for :). I am a big F1 fan as well so this really hurt.. especially when it happens at the first Grand Prix in your home town..
Today was a complete joke. Toto's response was also a complete and utter joke. It was clear that he has financial investments in F1 and for him its just about the money.
I mean... I think everyone knows he has stake in F1, that's no secret and to say it's all about the money to him is extremely disingenuous lol if anyone over the years has shown us that they care about winning and racing it's been Toto.
Eventhough its a complete disgrace to the fans who were at the track, Toto has a point, how can yall be calling it a complete mess and writing off the grand after a mistep in one free practice session?
They were covering the A🐴 in the press conference by praising Liberty, their “bosses”. Fred said it best though the show side and the sporting side should both be good
@@jasonhenry9440 Because it's not like this kind of thing with the cover has happened for the first time, this should be a known risk with street tracks. We can consider ourselves lucky that Carlos and Esteban didn't walk away from this incident with any injuries. This is a mess, one can try to justify that as much as they like, but now it is up to the people at the track to fix it and save the rest of the weekend as best as they can.
@@jasonhenry9440 Apart from it being more than a "misstep", the most egregious thing about Wolff's statement is that he says the Las Vegas Grand Prix is "setting the standard for everything". Is it fuck.
While I think people are overly harsh about this race in general, the fact that Sainz is getting a penalty for the drain cover damage is completely unacceptable and taints the weekend a bit. It’s really unacceptable, and if they waived the penalty, this situation would be at least a bit more forgivable.
@@jasonhenry9440 it is a disgrace knowing that he's fighting for P4 in the standings aswell, and this penalty will put him on a big step back. But you are right, rules are rules and they must be followed. However I think after this race those rules may need some modifications because it's absurd for a driver to take a penalty because the track was not ready
@@jasonhenry9440 If you simply move on without thinking about how we can learn from these incidents and improve the rule, we would still be living in stone age. What a non intelligent person you are.
@@jasonhenry9440well that is an unfair interpretation of the rules because what happened was COMPLETELY out of Carlos’ control, sure he went over the allocated engines and other parts but surely you have to waive that penalty, it’s like you getting done for speeding when the radar was not calibrated properly and showing a higher speed to the officer
I'm from UK and never visited Las Vegas, but this how i think! To appear in Vegas three things have to happen, 1st is you have to be big a enough to entertain!? (No small entertainment person/group/show can appear in Vegas) 2nd that entertainment has to be flawless, no errors or mistakes!!! Non zero zilch !!! 3rd it's all about the show. The show is the most important thing! The top hotels/casinos don't care how famous/good you are if you cannot produce a unforgettable show !!! The race tomorrow has to be a banger to pull this back !!! We will see 😉👍
I’m somehow 10x more angry on Toto’s response to the incident than the incident itself. It showed clearly how hypocrite Mercedes as a team has become. In his eyes, everything is hunky dory if Mercedes doesn’t suffer in any incident, and us fans and media have no right to complain what so ever, and should forever be grateful for their presence alone
Mercedes has been like this on a dozens of occasions since 2013, Toto doesn't do fair-play nor does he have a conscience. So where's the FIA to punish him like they do with the drivers ?
Tommy is so right that Toto will become a senior exec for F1 in the future. But man, that man already has a networth of over a billion. Still not satisfied?
The thing about really rich people is they do what they WANT to do. Making money doesn’t really come into it - it’s the scale of accomplishment. If Toto wants to run F1, it’s not for the money. It’s for his love of F1 - a sport he truly loves. And his confidence that he could do the job better than anyone else…
Most people think that rich people only get rich because of the money. There’s people are just power hungry and go getters. They’re never satisfied, he already had all the money, now he wants the next step
like him or not toto is a genius businessman, If you look at his past he has made very smart decisions and if he is an exec for formula one I would not mind that
We came from the UK. First grand Prix that we saved up for for quite some time. Been on my bucket list to hit vegas and when It was first announced I thought it'd be a once in a lifetime opportunity. We stayed the whole time talking to other fans who stayed. There were tonnes of us. We spoke to a security guard at the end who said yeah they didn't update us till 1 30 so we would buy beer and merch while we waited. In the end at 1 30 because the track was still live our route home was closed so we ended up walking along roads with no pavement and no street lights to get back to the hotel while people were frantically trying to get fp2 up on their phones. How can they say they were concerned about our safety when people were scrambling across rocky waste land. Trucks and cars racing past them in the dark. I even saw people breaking through barbed wire to get away from the road.
I was initially disappointed that, despite the track being relatively close to home, I wasn't able to go because of the price. Now I just feel lucky...
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201yeah so easy to fix, they spent hours to repair it, then pushed FP2 and then FP3 bcs it must be 18hr after FP2 and also pushed Quali bcs it needs atleast 2 hours after FP3
"Thursday’s practice tickets cost $919 last year, but have dropped to $119 this year. CNN reported an 87 percent decrease, according to TickPick. Friday’s tickets for qualifying are now selling at $259, that’s a drop of 76 percent from last year’s price of $1,085." HOLY SHIT! They've been selling tickets that are only valid for Thursday, only Friday etc? And $1000?? I've only been to F1 twice, both times in Sochi (when I was living in Moscow, with return flights for $200). I paid about $100 for 3 day "General Admission" tickets. And $100 for Saturday night in the brand new Azimuth hotel 500m from the track entrance. Didn't bother with FP ... rocked up from the airport (and hotel checkin) just in time for quali,
I've been to a race weekend and attended all the sessions and the grandstands were basically empty for FP1 and FP2 so that's pretty normal. We sat in someone else's seats and had some beers and hung out with some other fans for the afternoon. Same thing for the rest of the sessions. Super-fans get the full weekend pass, most people just buy a race day ticket.
The worst part about Toto's comment was the bit about how "it was only FP1 on a Thursday night and people in Europe are not even watching it on TV." So it doesn't matter? I get that most of the fan base is arguably in Europe, historically. But there are plenty of fans everywhere in the world. Wasn't the point to increase the fan base? Then just keep it in Europe. As an F1 fan living in the USA, I would rather see Imola or Hockenheim back on the schedule than watch cars driving around a stadium parking lot with a fake marina, or a circus with all the distracting neon signs. Anyone else noticed how difficult it was to follow the cars on the screen with all the blinking lights around the track?
So a team principal should say this is the end of the world? Because i don t remember Horner/Max complaining so much when they took points after 3 laps in the 21 belgian gp..that was the race not a fp.... And 2nd of all if you watched f1 for some time you saw that red flags in fp happens and some times it s not resumed and the next session was 1.5 hours..tell me your solution please..
@@ammarisrar2005 or build an actual track like in Austin (like it or not, it was purpose built and used for a bunch of other events throughout the year). So many better options, but likely not nearly as profitable as Las Vegas could be.
In motorcycling when they are in Ireland for the North West 200 they actually paint the manhole covers yellow and weld them down as the bikes going at 200+mph lift them up and those are the big heavy manhole covers not the little ones shown at Las Vegas. So the extra suction the ground effect F1 cars have it is surprising that this wasn't foreseen. Especially if they have had the problem on other street circuits.
The Toto's attitude on this was so low: how can a 8 time WCC be so childish because it affects his direct competitor. He would invade the track during the quali/race in protest if that happened to one of his drivers. So sad
I waited in the grandstands until 1:30am. I was so excited to see cars on track, strung along by constant messages from the event staff that FP2 was just around the corner, just wait a little bit longer. Then, at 1:30am, the cops rolled in, rude as fuck, kicking everybody out with threats made of arrests if we didn’t comply.
When you say they can't emulate suction or know the suction. Thats rubbish, they can estimate (the teams can give them rough numbers), they can add a safety factor and they can do a test on every drain cover. It has happened before and it should be on their safety check list.
Piss off local residents for 6 months - Tick, Rip off fans with high price tickets - Tick, Make the drivers look like clowns - Tick, Produce an unready boring track - Tick. Vegas failed in every area - residents, fans, track and drivers.
I still cannot get my head around it. Driving in the middle of the night, 9mins of action and the circuit being used as a normal road in the day, is just really weird. Why didn't they take a look at Monaco? It doesn't seem that difficult with 500 million.
The Saenz penalty is a terrible call and taints this entire thing beyond just a few mishaps. The track was poorly designed because of the FIA and because of the administration. It's their negligence that could have killed someone, but in this case just destroyed his car. To penalize him after that is an affront against any kind of notion of justice and is nothing short of disgraceful.
This is NASCAR’s Chicago Street race and the storylines surrounding it all over again. Lots of people wanting it to fail, lots of complaints about the track layout, fans being sent home in the lead up, track condition problems. That race ended up being terrific so we’ll see how this winds up.
Aw good on you boys... like many of the commenters on this video I have been watching you for years now and so happy to see you guy's killing it and living life... Much deserved ✊
The FIA approved the track, the FIA should be paying for the cars. That’s on them, not the teams! I can kind of understand the penalty since Carlos will have brand new everything, but it still seems a bit harsh.
It's horrible. His car didn't start in Qatar. Charles had a DSQ for the floor and then lost the hydraulics on the formation. It's just horrible luck for Ferrari. Unfortunately, the penalty is imposed because those are the rules when you replace parts. Yuki had to start from the pit lane a few races ago. Leclerc had a 10 place penalty in Bahrain. Whether it is the tracks fault or not. It's horrible.
The other thing to think about with the lack of fans is the Holiday next week. I live 5 hours from the race and would definitely go if I wasn’t already traveling for thanksgiving next week. Just a lot of things not taken into account for this entire venture
The real reason for Carlos getting the penalty, it’s not to FIA, but Toto Wolff and Mercedes. The FIA asked every single team to sign that Carlos didn’t get a penalty, and only one team didn’t agree, and it was Mercedes
@@braindump1446For real, Ferrari (Vasseur) and Toto had a real b!tch fight about it during the press conference after FP1. Toto is an insincere narcistic a-hole and it showed again !
As an American I’m pretty used to corporate greed ruining entire events by trying to wring more money out of true fans. Sad to see another example of greed ruining a good thing.
I kind of hope there are further drain cover issues in the race. Of course I hope nobody is hurt. And of course, I would rather see a good race. But if it happens in the race, they won't be able to brush it under the rug like they're trying to do now. Sure it's already a big issue but if it happens in the race it will be a HUGE issue. And sadly it seems we need huge issues to happen before they even consider fixing anything.
Yes they CAN simulate that. Give a workshop a few hour and they'll have a vacume tester to put over such covers. You could park a McMurtry car on top and switch on the fan to test teh cover. The only thing allowing loose covers is INCOMPETENCY.
Not sure of the accuracy. But a reliable person stated that Las Vegas paving wanted to cover all the drain covers prior to the race. However, a high ranking executive for the water district prevented it from happening. So it sounds like the paving would’ve been done right, but politics won with the water district.
He’s just playing politics… he knows it’s a shit show. While other teams are slandering the F1 organization, he’s defending it. Next time they have a big vote decision to make. Who do you think it’s gonna have a advantage? Not the teams who are talking shit about F1… he’s smart. Complaining won’t solve anything, taking the organization side will give him credits with them
@@Barbosa81F1 and the teams all have equal votes imfor regulation changes. Merc gains nothing from Toto brown nosing, that's his personal opinion as a 33% owner of Mercedes F1. He wants the weekend to succeed because more money in the F1 prize pool means more money for his filthy rich ass.
@@aimankamil4818 You think Toto reached the position he’s at by being dumb ? Of course not. He’s not dumb, he’s not blind. It’s clear to anyone that the Vegas GP is a shit show. But still he’s acting like it’s not. For what reason ? He’s not an idiot. Of course he’s playing his cards. Even Matt and Tommy agreed to that.
What people don’t understand is All F1 coverage shown on ESPN or in general is brought by or sponsored by Mercedes. It’s quite literal the sign off every Grand Prix. He’s playing damage control because of how much of a shit show it is.
Meanwhile, I’m in Indy staring at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Pagoda looking at the waste of a perfectly good track 🥲 Really feel for the fans that made the trip Vegas for the race.
@@ronbelanger4113and yet it’s a dedicated circuit that is way better than most “street” circuits. And it doesn’t need to be at night for no reason. And they have better track conditions. And they can sell way more tickets because the track has more capacity for seating than ANY place in the world. (IMS literally holds the world record). Everything about Indy is better than Vegas for the fans, for the sport, and for the spectacle.
Toto has been on a media blitz hyping up this GP. No wonder he won’t admit this was a complete disaster. And fans should be compensated. But judging what happened at SPA couple years ago, I seriously doubt that will happen.
There are 2 major difference there. Spa was the organizer for that GP. Here in Vegas, the event is organized by F1 themselves. Spa cannot do a refund, that would financially ruin them. However, Liberty Media has about 20 billion. But yeah, still agree with you that the refund wont happen.
There were comments last week about 'hoping there were no loose drain covers' and blow me down, we get one! yes, it was a mess and a disgrace. If I had paid good money for free practice i'd be PO'd too1
The crazy thing is, it wasnt even the drain cover that got loose. the whole thing including the steel sidewall part under the cover ripped out of the concrete under the asphalt
I read about some paying $2000 for their tickets. Filming themself going up towards the seating area. Only to be told at the top of the escalator to go down and out again. He said the same, their statement gave him zero hopes of a refund.
If F1 drivers wanted to race throughout the late night, they would be in the 24hrs of Le mans, and not Formula 1. P1 was pathetically over, so all teams NEEDED to get as much data as possible for P2, so they MUST use every minute up to the 4am mark. That is insane...
They should’ve like Matt and Tommy suggested have a longer practice session in the next day or in the evening so that the drivers could get adequate rest time after they got news that P1 was going to be cancelled
We were sitting and waiting for FP2 to start. Once we heard through Twitter (because NOONE at the track or in charge was keeping the fans up to date) that they weren't going to start until 2 at the earliest, but more likely 2:30, we decided to head back to where we were staying. Finally started to watch at 230 and got about 30 min in before the cable went out (effs). I could hear the cars zooming past the complex (immediately adjacent to the track at sphere zone), so fell asleep to that lovely sound
Even worse. The people they want to target with this "fan expansion" are gonna skip this, because it's gonna be 3am when Qualy starts. They're alienating their fanbase, and making it nearly impossible to watch for prospective fans.
@@garethbater6900 Which makes no sense as to why they would be running this race when most of the US is asleep. The US East Coast is where the huge majority of US' population lives and the race will be starting at 1:00am for them.
The temps don't seem to be too much of an issue apart from drivers needing more laps to get tire temps up, which might give us old school qualy, pound round on one set to build temps and one fast lap at the end.
@@Soutar3DG That is not the point. The fact that luckily the tires seam to be usable doesn't justifiy the fact that they got into race week without considering something as basic as TEMPERATURE or, as it turns out, drain covers which is not a new problem in street tracks (since it has happened before)
Made some good viewing here in Australia, F1 in Vegas was showing at 8pm for us... wish it was always like this instead of watching on from 2am most races
If I paid $2,000 for a basic ticket, you're damn right I would show up for every single second of every practice, quali and race. And I would expect that the FIA give me my money back if they tell me I can't stay to watch.
Yup. I spent big $$$ to fly to Montreal and had 3-day grandstand tickets. I went every day but we were one of the few people there. There were 8 fans in the whole grandstand on Friday but it was a nice sunny afternoon so we hung out and had a few beers. If it was raining or I lived in Montreal I wouldn't have bothered.
I was thinking of taking my Mum there next year for her 60th birthday and I was waiting to see whether or not I should. That's why I held out on passing judgement on this event, but after today, I can safely say that we're both heading for some winter sunshine in Abu Dhabi next year.
Literally everything that has happened in this grad prix so far is unacceptable. If all of that has happened on just the first day of the weekend, I'm afraid of what comes next
I was at the race and basically waited 8 hours for 8 minutes. I am lucky enough to be going back today and tomorrow but some are not. They couple sitting next to me were only going that day that I feel so bad for along with many others. Everyone should get a refund!
Quick background in the amount of force exerted on the drain covers, you're lookin at about 3kN of force at 0.4 Bar abs for something that size. Assuming the pressure under the cover wasn't above the static atmosphere, since this was an acces hole for sprinklers and not sewage I'll just assume normal atmo under the lid. That will give a difference of about 0.6 Bar (60.000 pa). This thing looked quite small, if I have to guess 250mm diameter. So that gives 0.125^2*π*60.000= 2945N. So when it was picked up by the car, the energy put in would be about the same as a 300kg deadlift. For Russel's car in Baku it would have been around a whopping 17kN😅
What i heard in another podcast that Toto Wolff has stakes in the Las Vegas gp, which could explain his reaction and the Mercedes drivers being so positive about the track compared to other drivers.
While certain team is definitely within their right to veto the petition to rid Sainz of his penalty, it is really unfair. Maybe they can think of some rules so that if damage are caused by obvious track failure leading to reparation job carried out on track immediately after, driver could get a replacement of parts for free, including the salary cap?
I’ll admit I did take some glee in the shittery of yesterday because I am bitter that I could not buy tickets for this event in good conscious because the prices were outrageous.
@@jasonhenry9440 I had my doubts, but no, you are definitely an ape talking non-sense. Do us a favor, hop off the internet and just stay in your basement.
I can understand the close down if logistically they couldn’t handle fans at the second practice (safety, staff etc.), but absolutely they have to refund and compensate the aggrieved fans.
11:45 Not only is it not his fault, it's not Ferrari's fault or any other team's fault. The track organizers should at least pay for the production cost of the replaced parts. They won't, of course. It's so bizarre.
The thing that upset me the most, it's the fact that they tried to cover the whole incident. They gave 0 information to fans and acted like nothing happened. It would have been easy to come clean, assume the mistake and fixe it, not try to sweep it under the rug. Also, that it took them 5 hours to get the track ready again, it shows quite a bit of unpreparedness.
One thing I wanna point out about the fans not being in attendance as expected is the fact that some places near the track have views of the circuit without paying ridiculous amounts of money. I've seen on the local news while I was at work that Top Golf has a fantastic view of the pit lane and you don't have to pay a stupid amount of money.
The pricing for this event has been the biggest disaster so far! People aren't going to just let Liberty Media take advantage of them, they won't buy tickets and just watch it live at home instead. The event should want as many people as possible actually attending the event to build atmosphere for the television broadcast and gouging people with ridiculous ticket prices and then treating them so callously like they did at 1:30 a.m. when nobody got to see FP2, is a really bad look for F1 and this isn't something the teams or the FIA are getting up to, this is the ownership of the sport and that damage is much harder to fix, as imposing fines and suspensions isn't an option.
Dude, chill out there are three races in America they will get this race right eventually. Especially when you spend over a half a billion dollars. They going make sure it works.
Watching from europe we figured 0:00 for FP2 is insane. And then i got delayed. Even if you didn't get kicked out of the grandstands, it's just outrageous. I guess clocks don't exist in vegas, so maybe the time of day wasn't an issue. But just sending people off was unacceptable.
imagine paying for an event, not being able to see one day of it and then the second session being delayed and increased in time to make up for the lack of free practice one, and then you are told ur not even allowed to see the delayed second session. so you miss 2 sessions out of 5 in a hugely expensive weekend.
Bit of inside knowledge: they kicked the fans out because they didn’t want to pay overtime to the staff and security. The staffers were supposed to be done at 0200
The Sainz penalty 100% sucks, but I don't see it as all that different from getting crashed into and needing to take a penalty for a new gearbox, which happens pretty regularly. Ultimately, I don't think they should allow exceptions for parts, because at the end of the day, they do gain an advantage by having more fresh engine parts than the rest of the field, that has to be offset somehow.
It is quite sobering to hear that the stands were nearly empty during FP1. Forcing those that paid WAY too much out of their seats before FP2 and out of the event area is beyond the pale. I truly wonder what will happen next year. F1 still has 2 days to make a better impression to those of us watching from home, but I fear the damage has been done for paying customers/fans that went through all of the trouble and expense to attend in person...
Actually, watching the practice you either have the wide shot of all the lights or if you follow the cars around with the normal shots you' really don't see any landmarks so you might as well be anywhere. The track itself seemed rather non descriptive and with the long straights and DRS I don't think overtakes are going to be particularly exciting. This one will put you to sleep even if the stupid time slot doesn't.
If they went to Indy or Laguna or even Long Beach and just had a few concerts and a fly over etc we’d all be onboard as long as it was affordable. Much respect for you guys for saying it how it is, the only people to suffer with this are the fans. And they send fans home over “safety” then make the jet lagged drivers go out at 3am. This isn’t sport anymore
Tommy hit a good point there. A group of people online just want this race to fail, and its sad and a real shame. I for one am always excited to see a new track or an older one come back, its a change of scenery and a change brings a lot of unknowns If you don't like the fancy Vegas show stuff then thats fine, feel free to complain about all that, but hating on the track and the US for no reason just isn't okay. We should be wanting F1 to succeed, not wishing them to fail at every turn
I’m in Vegas for the weekend and there was probably 300-500 people “walking” across the bridges and the “blocked off view” of the track. Most workers let us watch the practice but you did have the occasional worker tell everyone to move out of the way.
The same thing in Miami. FP1 is absolutely empty. It slowly picks up throughout weekend but there is a ntoiceable increase in traffic and stands are full for the race. Its not about F1 and racing, its about saying you were there and getting your instagram pciture. They are ruining an absolutely lovely and beautiful sport we love.
As an American, charging people and not providing what was promised is one of the quickest ways to be on the wrong end of a class action lawsuit.
Thankfully they will be able to get a chargeback refund from their credit card company. Easily verifiable.
The USA's politics run on that same theme!
As an American, consumers are powerless to corporations. As long as republicans consider corporations to have more rights than actual people nothing will change.
I'm willing to bet you that absolutely no lawsuits will prevail for ticketholders for this event. No court is ever going to provide any of them with any legal remember. Come comment here if I get proven wrong. But I wont be.
@SixOThree you are correct, my friend.
Think of the Belgiuns ar Spa, I'm sure you'll get over it
To record the video at that time of night is proper dedication.
You guys deserve that view for everything you've done this year.
Big step starting on your own, but you're killing it, enjoy the rewards.
Here here. Thanks P1. Enjoy lads. You may be tired but you look like you're having a blast.
Yes... Matt and Tommy are dedicated and worthy of all the achievements they're getting
Kicking out the fans is unacceptable
Yeah it’s disgraceful
Like you pay all the money for a FIRST TIME EVENT, and get kicked out? For what? Like some people may have only bought one practice session ticket and now they have nothing to show for it like wtf
I think it's clear the FIA hates Americans and wants 3 more races in UAE and Dubai so their plan is to ruin all the US races
This is a joke but imagine.
1:31 1:34 1:34 1:35 1:39
why ?
The FIA penalizing Sainz for their mistake is criminal
Coming to the Lawsuit Capital of the World and telling people "You don't get to see anything and you don't get a refund" in order to not lose money - is the surest way to lose money. Great job F1 😂
In Vegas, there's a saying: The house always wins. Remember that.
@@scsutton1Lmao the rigged casino’s aren’t exclusive to Vegas mate
I don't think the FIA took all of those attorney/law office bilboards along I-15seriously enough...
They will get sued for 500 million 😂
And at the prices they're asking the only people who have tickets are the ones most likely to sue.
I was in the Sphere zone from 6pm to 1.30am when we got kicked out, I was obvs furious. First ever GP and leaving FP1 made we wonder if I even wanted to keep following the sport. Then after being kicked out, I was even more angry to see some fans still in stands on the strip, and there's me trying to see some cars through the barriers that they put up to stop you doing that. So paid a fortune to see F1, and ended up being blocked by a dark screen and going to bed listening to them. To be fair the Sphere zone was rocking until FP1 ended, after that it was like the apocalypse had happened
I’d be devastated poor you!
I can't imagine how insulting it would have felt to hear the cars you paid to see instead of watching them on track, what a tragedy of a race weekend so far.
@nathancomley2721 it was more insulting to have your view intentionally blocked on the strip, I get it, but I didn't care. Then to make matters worse the sky sports app wouldn't work. I don't think this will have won over any new audiences in the US
Wow I didn’t know you guys got kicked out I left at 1:00 cause my hotel was far away and I figured why it’s just practice that sucks man also not sure why it’s time stamping but okay XD
@forpiepress1964 yea and I only had a ticked for Thursday as well, so FP1 was once in a lifetime chance to see F1. They let you stay in general admission for FP2 but yea, like the guys said, we waited on a promise given that it would restart but then got kicked out. Apparently due to staff contracts expiring at 1.30 but then why not kick the fans out at the time the 2am message was first broadcast. Probably terrible management.
I expect operational difficulties in a brand new city track, but kicking out fans was unacceptable.
they had no staff left to ensure the safety of people in the grandstands, so what other choice did they have? Harsh I agree, and they should definitely get refunds. But there are other workers there who are paid a contract for certain hours, so if they were over those hours and had to leave what else could could they have done realistically in a short space of time?
@@SuPeRsHaDiC103 safety from what? If this city is so freaking dangerous that ppl can't even sit around in public areas we shouldn't be racing there.
On top of that, making statements suggesting they might not expect any refund? That's just gross. They should have waited on making that statement.
@@sadmanh0 I assume just generic safety from each other, like logistically (even though I hate to use their term) getting everyone out safely for them to reopen the main strip back to the public maybe. I'm not defending any action here, just giving the clearer picture rather than everyone just saying "They got kicked out for no reason at all".
@@SuPeRsHaDiC103 if it's for the track to open to public again that makes even less sense since at that point it's just public space. The only way what you're saying makes sense is if F1 instead of hiring people to work all night to keep random public to get into the grandstands just lock the gate or something, which I find extremely unlikely, usually the city police force manages stuff like that.
How in the h*** can they not waive the penalty because a blatant failure by the facility? That's outrageous.
One TP refused to veto his penalty, guess who
@@thecompanioncube4211 who?
@@thecompanioncube4211 I'm guessing his name starts with T and ends up with F.
You really just censored the word "Hell"?
Matt looks like he slept in that chair and Tommy just nudged him to start talking 😆
Tommy looked like he was still in his jammy's.
haahahahahaha
Tommy looked fine to me. But that's because he's used to being woken up at 04:00. He's a dad to a baby. @@nielsdebakker3283
Are the lads in Vegas as guests of some F1 sponsor, or there for their own plans?
Both I believe. They were going anyways, but got invited for some extra stuff by someone related to F1. @@Cloxxki
I'm from the US and I really only care about Austin in terms of the American tracks. It's a proper track with the facilities to support a smooth and enjoyable race weekend without making it a circus. I had a wonderful time at COTA and I'm glad I wasn't able to get tickets to Vegas because this seems to disorganized. I would have been so disappointed being asked to leave.
Kind of surprised Long Beach wasn't considered if they wanted a race in the west of the USA.
@@Xiphactinusthat would be amazing. I don't know if Laguna Seca can do F1 but I love that classic track as well
@@ostrich00Great track but i dont think F1 cars fit for that track at all.
@@golleseAs opposed to, say, Monaco? /s
@mckinleyfisher-lynd3896 Absolutely agree! 🙌 I love COTA so much.
As an American F1 fan, get rid of Miami and Vegas and bring back Germany and France. This is embarrassing.
At least you have COTA. A track the US can take a lot of pride in.
*ABSOLUTELY AGREE!* 🙌 I f******** love your comment because actual F1® fan from US like you finally speak up!
How about going to a real classic track. Laguna Seca/Road America/Watkins Glen? Way cheaper to upgrade than this fiasco.
I would so give Vegas a chance. There is no event close to the west coast. Remove Miami and add Germany. France was pretty bad. Hate those stripes.
@@davidreichert9392 One of the best in the World and Im a Brit!
that's the way it's going now. even in silverstone this year people who live there were being stopped by rent a cop for just walking home on the path etc. people were told they couldn't stand on the bridge and watch the Red Arrows , all roads were closed causing carnage, taxis that had been booked to pick people up were denied access etc etc etc etc.
Jealous of those hotel rooms. Proud of you guys for doing so well after the wtf1 saga.
The just left because they weren't happy at WTF1??? You are making it sound like they got fired because management didn't want them anymore
@@matthijsweststrate5552 thats not what happened bro. dig deeper
They are at the Wynn hotel as well, one of the fancier ones.
I feel the same. I followed these guys to P1, and haven't really listened to WTF1 much in the last year at all.
@@BlackHaloO Then please enlighten us - what happened? :O
I dont really have a way to dig deeper. I can only see what`s on the channels. And I dont really watch that other channel any more.
The worst part of the night was waiting for my Uber outside of the event after being kicked out, and watch on my phone how the cars are getting ready for FP2 as I’m heading home instead of being in the grandstand that I paid good money for :).
I am a big F1 fan as well so this really hurt.. especially when it happens at the first Grand Prix in your home town..
Unbelievable! Since when you become a big F1® fan, mate?
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 since I was 6yo. I’m 30 now :)
@@claudiucristian5632 That's great. I'm become a big F1® fan since 5-6 years old. Now, I'm 22 years old. :)
Today was a complete joke. Toto's response was also a complete and utter joke. It was clear that he has financial investments in F1 and for him its just about the money.
I mean... I think everyone knows he has stake in F1, that's no secret and to say it's all about the money to him is extremely disingenuous lol if anyone over the years has shown us that they care about winning and racing it's been Toto.
Eventhough its a complete disgrace to the fans who were at the track, Toto has a point, how can yall be calling it a complete mess and writing off the grand after a mistep in one free practice session?
They were covering the A🐴 in the press conference by praising Liberty, their “bosses”. Fred said it best though the show side and the sporting side should both be good
@@jasonhenry9440 Because it's not like this kind of thing with the cover has happened for the first time, this should be a known risk with street tracks. We can consider ourselves lucky that Carlos and Esteban didn't walk away from this incident with any injuries. This is a mess, one can try to justify that as much as they like, but now it is up to the people at the track to fix it and save the rest of the weekend as best as they can.
@@jasonhenry9440 Apart from it being more than a "misstep", the most egregious thing about Wolff's statement is that he says the Las Vegas Grand Prix is "setting the standard for everything". Is it fuck.
1990 Canadian GP was the 1st time I remember a manhole cover coming off. 30 years & they still can't figure out to check covers on a street circuit!
While I think people are overly harsh about this race in general, the fact that Sainz is getting a penalty for the drain cover damage is completely unacceptable and taints the weekend a bit. It’s really unacceptable, and if they waived the penalty, this situation would be at least a bit more forgivable.
Rules are rules, move on
@@jasonhenry9440 it is a disgrace knowing that he's fighting for P4 in the standings aswell, and this penalty will put him on a big step back. But you are right, rules are rules and they must be followed. However I think after this race those rules may need some modifications because it's absurd for a driver to take a penalty because the track was not ready
@@jasonhenry9440 If you simply move on without thinking about how we can learn from these incidents and improve the rule, we would still be living in stone age. What a non intelligent person you are.
@@jasonhenry9440well that is an unfair interpretation of the rules because what happened was COMPLETELY out of Carlos’ control, sure he went over the allocated engines and other parts but surely you have to waive that penalty, it’s like you getting done for speeding when the radar was not calibrated properly and showing a higher speed to the officer
@@jasonhenry9440 and in rules there's a force majeure exception if all teams agrees it can be waved. And one team didn't agree. Guess who.
I'm from UK and never visited Las Vegas, but this how i think!
To appear in Vegas three things have to happen, 1st is you have to be big a enough to entertain!? (No small entertainment person/group/show can appear in Vegas) 2nd that entertainment has to be flawless, no errors or mistakes!!! Non zero zilch !!! 3rd it's all about the show. The show is the most important thing! The top hotels/casinos don't care how famous/good you are if you cannot produce a unforgettable show !!!
The race tomorrow has to be a banger to pull this back !!!
We will see 😉👍
I’m somehow 10x more angry on Toto’s response to the incident than the incident itself. It showed clearly how hypocrite Mercedes as a team has become. In his eyes, everything is hunky dory if Mercedes doesn’t suffer in any incident, and us fans and media have no right to complain what so ever, and should forever be grateful for their presence alone
Apparantly Mercedes is also the reason the FIA had to give Sainz a penalty for his unlucky moment with the drain cover.
my issue was that Toto was acting like it was a minor incident, not like it could've been a lot worse for Carlos
How different would his reaction be if it was Hamilton's car that was destroyed? Total hypocrite...
Mercedes has been like this on a dozens of occasions since 2013, Toto doesn't do fair-play nor does he have a conscience. So where's the FIA to punish him like they do with the drivers ?
@@norbertjanssen814 how is that the case? I am not aware of this
Tommy is so right that Toto will become a senior exec for F1 in the future. But man, that man already has a networth of over a billion. Still not satisfied?
Probably aims to be the next Ecclestone
The thing about really rich people is they do what they WANT to do. Making money doesn’t really come into it - it’s the scale of accomplishment. If Toto wants to run F1, it’s not for the money. It’s for his love of F1 - a sport he truly loves. And his confidence that he could do the job better than anyone else…
Most people think that rich people only get rich because of the money. There’s people are just power hungry and go getters. They’re never satisfied, he already had all the money, now he wants the next step
But if it was his car:
No Mikey, no! That is not right!
like him or not toto is a genius businessman, If you look at his past he has made very smart decisions and if he is an exec for formula one I would not mind that
We came from the UK. First grand Prix that we saved up for for quite some time. Been on my bucket list to hit vegas and when It was first announced I thought it'd be a once in a lifetime opportunity. We stayed the whole time talking to other fans who stayed. There were tonnes of us.
We spoke to a security guard at the end who said yeah they didn't update us till 1 30 so we would buy beer and merch while we waited.
In the end at 1 30 because the track was still live our route home was closed so we ended up walking along roads with no pavement and no street lights to get back to the hotel while people were frantically trying to get fp2 up on their phones.
How can they say they were concerned about our safety when people were scrambling across rocky waste land. Trucks and cars racing past them in the dark. I even saw people breaking through barbed wire to get away from the road.
I was initially disappointed that, despite the track being relatively close to home, I wasn't able to go because of the price. Now I just feel lucky...
You missed out on absolutely nothing
Oh I was planning to go to next year's GP here, but seeing how they treat fans, there's no way.
There is always problems with road races. This not the first time they have had man hole cover problems. Don't sweat it it was an easy fix.
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201yeah so easy to fix, they spent hours to repair it, then pushed FP2 and then FP3 bcs it must be 18hr after FP2 and also pushed Quali bcs it needs atleast 2 hours after FP3
"Thursday’s practice tickets cost $919 last year, but have dropped to $119 this year. CNN reported an 87 percent decrease, according to TickPick. Friday’s tickets for qualifying are now selling at $259, that’s a drop of 76 percent from last year’s price of $1,085." HOLY SHIT! They've been selling tickets that are only valid for Thursday, only Friday etc? And $1000?? I've only been to F1 twice, both times in Sochi (when I was living in Moscow, with return flights for $200). I paid about $100 for 3 day "General Admission" tickets. And $100 for Saturday night in the brand new Azimuth hotel 500m from the track entrance. Didn't bother with FP ... rocked up from the airport (and hotel checkin) just in time for quali,
I've been to a race weekend and attended all the sessions and the grandstands were basically empty for FP1 and FP2 so that's pretty normal. We sat in someone else's seats and had some beers and hung out with some other fans for the afternoon. Same thing for the rest of the sessions. Super-fans get the full weekend pass, most people just buy a race day ticket.
The worst part about Toto's comment was the bit about how "it was only FP1 on a Thursday night and people in Europe are not even watching it on TV." So it doesn't matter? I get that most of the fan base is arguably in Europe, historically. But there are plenty of fans everywhere in the world. Wasn't the point to increase the fan base? Then just keep it in Europe. As an F1 fan living in the USA, I would rather see Imola or Hockenheim back on the schedule than watch cars driving around a stadium parking lot with a fake marina, or a circus with all the distracting neon signs. Anyone else noticed how difficult it was to follow the cars on the screen with all the blinking lights around the track?
By the way, what's your opinion if the German Grand Prix was alternating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring? 🇩🇪
Right on, even if they wanted 3 American GPs at least they could’ve had actual tracks like Indy Road Course or Laguna Seca
So a team principal should say this is the end of the world? Because i don t remember Horner/Max complaining so much when they took points after 3 laps in the 21 belgian gp..that was the race not a fp.... And 2nd of all if you watched f1 for some time you saw that red flags in fp happens and some times it s not resumed and the next session was 1.5 hours..tell me your solution please..
@@ammarisrar2005 or build an actual track like in Austin (like it or not, it was purpose built and used for a bunch of other events throughout the year). So many better options, but likely not nearly as profitable as Las Vegas could be.
@@ammarisrar2005 For me: Austin, Indy Road Course, and Watkins Glen.
In motorcycling when they are in Ireland for the North West 200 they actually paint the manhole covers yellow and weld them down as the bikes going at 200+mph lift them up and those are the big heavy manhole covers not the little ones shown at Las Vegas. So the extra suction the ground effect F1 cars have it is surprising that this wasn't foreseen. Especially if they have had the problem on other street circuits.
The Toto's attitude on this was so low: how can a 8 time WCC be so childish because it affects his direct competitor. He would invade the track during the quali/race in protest if that happened to one of his drivers. So sad
I waited in the grandstands until 1:30am. I was so excited to see cars on track, strung along by constant messages from the event staff that FP2 was just around the corner, just wait a little bit longer. Then, at 1:30am, the cops rolled in, rude as fuck, kicking everybody out with threats made of arrests if we didn’t comply.
When you say they can't emulate suction or know the suction. Thats rubbish, they can estimate (the teams can give them rough numbers), they can add a safety factor and they can do a test on every drain cover. It has happened before and it should be on their safety check list.
Piss off local residents for 6 months - Tick, Rip off fans with high price tickets - Tick, Make the drivers look like clowns - Tick, Produce an unready boring track - Tick.
Vegas failed in every area - residents, fans, track and drivers.
Toto must have money invested in this GP
Isn’t he 1/3rd owner of Mercedes F1 team. He benefits DIRECTLY from selling out
@@thecompanioncube4211 It looks like he invested directly too, doubling down his need for this stuff to succeed
Toto is an absolute nonce. A pest. Nothing about Mercedes is good…
Both Tommy and Matt with bed hair doing this video is absolutely hilarious!
Las Vegas now has the esteemed title of hosting THREE of the worst formula 1 weekends in history, very impressive
And one of Indycar’s very worst too!
@@rubywest5166 Are you mean, IndyCar Las Vegas 2011?
100% record too lmao
Dallas 1984 was probably the worst though
@@erwinr9328 Four on my opinion: old Las Vegas Grand Prix, Detroit Grand Prix (this is enough for IndyCar), Phoenix, and Dallas.
I love this dynamic between Matt and Tommy - Matt being the entertaining hypeman and Tommy being the more analytical and chilled out one!
The RocketPoweredMohawk video of this GP is going to be HILARIOUS
Yes!!! Lol
Banger of the year
His Patreon video about it today was gold lol
@@RxIFE pirate the video to us lol
The NERVE!!!!
8:20
it is and i isn't. Any harm happening to those adults from lack of staff and proper precautions can result in lawsuits.
"A mess" is an extremely respectful way of putting it.
I still cannot get my head around it. Driving in the middle of the night, 9mins of action and the circuit being used as a normal road in the day, is just really weird. Why didn't they take a look at Monaco? It doesn't seem that difficult with 500 million.
The Saenz penalty is a terrible call and taints this entire thing beyond just a few mishaps. The track was poorly designed because of the FIA and because of the administration. It's their negligence that could have killed someone, but in this case just destroyed his car. To penalize him after that is an affront against any kind of notion of justice and is nothing short of disgraceful.
This is NASCAR’s Chicago Street race and the storylines surrounding it all over again. Lots of people wanting it to fail, lots of complaints about the track layout, fans being sent home in the lead up, track condition problems. That race ended up being terrific so we’ll see how this winds up.
The race starts at midnight my time and I live in the US so they can f off as I"ll never watch the race.
Thank you Matt & Tommy for being the fans perspective on F1. You honestly display passion, no matter how tired or Ferrari Fan Boy brow-beaten you are.
Aw good on you boys... like many of the commenters on this video I have been watching you for years now and so happy to see you guy's killing it and living life... Much deserved ✊
The FIA approved the track, the FIA should be paying for the cars. That’s on them, not the teams! I can kind of understand the penalty since Carlos will have brand new everything, but it still seems a bit harsh.
It's horrible. His car didn't start in Qatar. Charles had a DSQ for the floor and then lost the hydraulics on the formation. It's just horrible luck for Ferrari. Unfortunately, the penalty is imposed because those are the rules when you replace parts. Yuki had to start from the pit lane a few races ago. Leclerc had a 10 place penalty in Bahrain. Whether it is the tracks fault or not. It's horrible.
The other thing to think about with the lack of fans is the Holiday next week. I live 5 hours from the race and would definitely go if I wasn’t already traveling for thanksgiving next week. Just a lot of things not taken into account for this entire venture
The real reason for Carlos getting the penalty, it’s not to FIA, but Toto Wolff and Mercedes.
The FIA asked every single team to sign that Carlos didn’t get a penalty, and only one team didn’t agree, and it was Mercedes
For real? When I see Lewis & Toto hype this shit up and then react like that .... makes me sick to my stomach. What the fuck is their agenda???
@@braindump1446For real, Ferrari (Vasseur) and Toto had a real b!tch fight about it during the press conference after FP1. Toto is an insincere narcistic a-hole and it showed again !
@@braindump1446their agenda is finishing P2 in the constructors against Ferrari
Where did you get this information from?
This weekend has destroyed much of the respect I had for Toto...
As an American I’m pretty used to corporate greed ruining entire events by trying to wring more money out of true fans. Sad to see another example of greed ruining a good thing.
They sent fans home because they wouldn’t pay the staff extra to work past the original start time which was already past 1:00am local time
Yeah, it's normal to pay people 150%-200% for overtime, when they are absolutely necessary.
But I guess they're too cheap for that over at F1.
Heard from a Max interview that Carlos didn't feel his legs for a few seconds after crashing on that lifted manhole cover.
It’s shambolic tbh, and it’s just the start of the weekend, goodness knows what’s going to occur over the next few days
I kind of hope there are further drain cover issues in the race. Of course I hope nobody is hurt. And of course, I would rather see a good race. But if it happens in the race, they won't be able to brush it under the rug like they're trying to do now. Sure it's already a big issue but if it happens in the race it will be a HUGE issue. And sadly it seems we need huge issues to happen before they even consider fixing anything.
@@PiousMoltarYou hope there are more issues? You must really love complaining about things
Yes they CAN simulate that. Give a workshop a few hour and they'll have a vacume tester to put over such covers.
You could park a McMurtry car on top and switch on the fan to test teh cover.
The only thing allowing loose covers is INCOMPETENCY.
Meanwhile us Europeans got to watch fp2 at a reasonable time 😂
On the east cost USA got to watch it while at the gym. 5:30 am. It was a pleasant surprise 😅
Still had to wake up at 5 am to catch Fp1.
@@albmata14keep your flexing at the gym please, thank you.
Wild, F1 comes to the US and the times still suck for us.
Not sure of the accuracy. But a reliable person stated that Las Vegas paving wanted to cover all the drain covers prior to the race. However, a high ranking executive for the water district prevented it from happening. So it sounds like the paving would’ve been done right, but politics won with the water district.
Funny how toto it's trying to defend the disgraceful things that are happening...imagine paying a lot of money to no be able to watch anything.
He’s just playing politics… he knows it’s a shit show. While other teams are slandering the F1 organization, he’s defending it. Next time they have a big vote decision to make. Who do you think it’s gonna have a advantage? Not the teams who are talking shit about F1… he’s smart. Complaining won’t solve anything, taking the organization side will give him credits with them
@@Barbosa81F1 and the teams all have equal votes imfor regulation changes. Merc gains nothing from Toto brown nosing, that's his personal opinion as a 33% owner of Mercedes F1. He wants the weekend to succeed because more money in the F1 prize pool means more money for his filthy rich ass.
@@Barbosa81what you're saying is Toto being a sh*t c**t is somehow a 5d chess strategy??? What are you saying mate? Unbelievable
@@aimankamil4818 You think Toto reached the position he’s at by being dumb ? Of course not. He’s not dumb, he’s not blind. It’s clear to anyone that the Vegas GP is a shit show. But still he’s acting like it’s not. For what reason ? He’s not an idiot. Of course he’s playing his cards. Even Matt and Tommy agreed to that.
What people don’t understand is All F1 coverage shown on ESPN or in general is brought by or sponsored by Mercedes. It’s quite literal the sign off every Grand Prix. He’s playing damage control because of how much of a shit show it is.
It’s also just too late at night. It’s dark here by 6:00pm. The lights are just as pretty at 6-7 as they are 10-12…or at 4am…
Meanwhile, I’m in Indy staring at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Pagoda looking at the waste of a perfectly good track 🥲 Really feel for the fans that made the trip Vegas for the race.
Seriously. Now thats a proper race track!
LOL, it is a lame excuse for a "circuit".
@@ronbelanger4113 I mean compared to others, sure. But at least it’s well maintained 😂
God it would have been way better to be at IMS
@@ronbelanger4113and yet it’s a dedicated circuit that is way better than most “street” circuits. And it doesn’t need to be at night for no reason.
And they have better track conditions.
And they can sell way more tickets because the track has more capacity for seating than ANY place in the world. (IMS literally holds the world record).
Everything about Indy is better than Vegas for the fans, for the sport, and for the spectacle.
Thank you for sharing with us they view, and to aknowlegde we are the reason you are having such fun :)
Keep the awsome job, really love it
Toto has been on a media blitz hyping up this GP. No wonder he won’t admit this was a complete disaster. And fans should be compensated. But judging what happened at SPA couple years ago, I seriously doubt that will happen.
There are 2 major difference there. Spa was the organizer for that GP. Here in Vegas, the event is organized by F1 themselves. Spa cannot do a refund, that would financially ruin them. However, Liberty Media has about 20 billion. But yeah, still agree with you that the refund wont happen.
There were comments last week about 'hoping there were no loose drain covers' and blow me down, we get one! yes, it was a mess and a disgrace. If I had paid good money for free practice i'd be PO'd too1
The crazy thing is, it wasnt even the drain cover that got loose.
the whole thing including the steel sidewall part under the cover ripped out of the concrete under the asphalt
Like they say, the house always wins.
It's almost as if most streets aren't engineered to have F1 cars run on them.
The streets in America are built just as well as their cars 😅
Yeah. That show the skills and quality of the american construction
That ferrari had a fuckton of downforce!
I read about some paying $2000 for their tickets. Filming themself going up towards the seating area. Only to be told at the top of the escalator to go down and out again. He said the same, their statement gave him zero hopes of a refund.
If F1 drivers wanted to race throughout the late night, they would be in the 24hrs of Le mans, and not Formula 1. P1 was pathetically over, so all teams NEEDED to get as much data as possible for P2, so they MUST use every minute up to the 4am mark. That is insane...
They should’ve like Matt and Tommy suggested have a longer practice session in the next day or in the evening so that the drivers could get adequate rest time after they got news that P1 was going to be cancelled
We were sitting and waiting for FP2 to start. Once we heard through Twitter (because NOONE at the track or in charge was keeping the fans up to date) that they weren't going to start until 2 at the earliest, but more likely 2:30, we decided to head back to where we were staying. Finally started to watch at 230 and got about 30 min in before the cable went out (effs). I could hear the cars zooming past the complex (immediately adjacent to the track at sphere zone), so fell asleep to that lovely sound
As a person living in America, in the East Coast, it's ridiculous that in order to watch the Las Vegas grand prix you have to stay up past midnight.
The timing of the different track sessions is insane
They should do the whole review episode with the window open, that shot is cinematic af
They wanted new fans, but instead they might loose some existing ones
Even worse.
The people they want to target with this "fan expansion" are gonna skip this, because it's gonna be 3am when Qualy starts.
They're alienating their fanbase, and making it nearly impossible to watch for prospective fans.
A lot of people are going to get tons of hate mail.
They want a US tv audience - they want the NASCAR revenues - but its like putting cricket in a baseball stadium
@@garethbater6900 Which makes no sense as to why they would be running this race when most of the US is asleep. The US East Coast is where the huge majority of US' population lives and the race will be starting at 1:00am for them.
That view is incredible. Any other videos from that room should be filmed with the light off, curtains open!
- "We hadn't thought of the temperature..."
- "We hadn't thought of the drain cover..."
- "We haven't thought..."
The temps don't seem to be too much of an issue apart from drivers needing more laps to get tire temps up, which might give us old school qualy, pound round on one set to build temps and one fast lap at the end.
@@Soutar3DG That is not the point. The fact that luckily the tires seam to be usable doesn't justifiy the fact that they got into race week without considering something as basic as TEMPERATURE or, as it turns out, drain covers which is not a new problem in street tracks (since it has happened before)
"We haven't rhought of the fans..."
"We haven't thought of the residents..."
We used all of our thought on, you guessed it - MONEY 💰 🤦♂️
"We have only thought about the size of the bags we'll need to carry our money"
Made some good viewing here in Australia, F1 in Vegas was showing at 8pm for us... wish it was always like this instead of watching on from 2am most races
Many fans don't go to the Friday practice even with a 3 day ticket (I don't usually).
If tomorrow is also empty then the venue will be in trouble.
If I paid $2,000 for a basic ticket, you're damn right I would show up for every single second of every practice, quali and race. And I would expect that the FIA give me my money back if they tell me I can't stay to watch.
It’s gonna be a stinky weekend guys
Yup. I spent big $$$ to fly to Montreal and had 3-day grandstand tickets. I went every day but we were one of the few people there. There were 8 fans in the whole grandstand on Friday but it was a nice sunny afternoon so we hung out and had a few beers. If it was raining or I lived in Montreal I wouldn't have bothered.
the absurdity of getting to work at 6am today (EST), turning on the tv and seeing LIVE RUNNING?!?!? ill never be able to figure out how that happened.
I was thinking of taking my Mum there next year for her 60th birthday and I was waiting to see whether or not I should. That's why I held out on passing judgement on this event, but after today, I can safely say that we're both heading for some winter sunshine in Abu Dhabi next year.
Go to Zandvoort and join the party there
ewwwwww
Great idea, but my Mum's birthday isn't until December and Abu Dhabi falls pretty much perfectly into the time frame.
Literally everything that has happened in this grad prix so far is unacceptable. If all of that has happened on just the first day of the weekend, I'm afraid of what comes next
I was at the race and basically waited 8 hours for 8 minutes. I am lucky enough to be going back today and tomorrow but some are not. They couple sitting next to me were only going that day that I feel so bad for along with many others. Everyone should get a refund!
Quick background in the amount of force exerted on the drain covers, you're lookin at about 3kN of force at 0.4 Bar abs for something that size.
Assuming the pressure under the cover wasn't above the static atmosphere, since this was an acces hole for sprinklers and not sewage I'll just assume normal atmo under the lid. That will give a difference of about 0.6 Bar (60.000 pa). This thing looked quite small, if I have to guess 250mm diameter. So that gives 0.125^2*π*60.000= 2945N. So when it was picked up by the car, the energy put in would be about the same as a 300kg deadlift.
For Russel's car in Baku it would have been around a whopping 17kN😅
What i heard in another podcast that Toto Wolff has stakes in the Las Vegas gp, which could explain his reaction and the Mercedes drivers being so positive about the track compared to other drivers.
The start times are absolutely stupid, even for Las Vegas. The sessions should be starting around 7-8PM local time.
While certain team is definitely within their right to veto the petition to rid Sainz of his penalty, it is really unfair. Maybe they can think of some rules so that if damage are caused by obvious track failure leading to reparation job carried out on track immediately after, driver could get a replacement of parts for free, including the salary cap?
I’ll admit I did take some glee in the shittery of yesterday because I am bitter that I could not buy tickets for this event in good conscious because the prices were outrageous.
You guys deserve this! Not the awful craziness from the organizers of course. I hope you get to enjoy the rest of your Las Vegas F1 GP weekend.
Love
the view!!! Enjoy it all!
You will have so much to tell us after you’re home. The racing will be nuts but have fun guys
We may lose Spa in favour of these “exciting” new tracks? They’ve lost their minds
Spa is overrated, haven't produced any good races in years, give it up
@@jasonhenry9440 BS
@@jasonhenry9440you give up on your hate lol
No hate. Don’t hate pls. Spa is a history track I like it :)
@@jasonhenry9440 I had my doubts, but no, you are definitely an ape talking non-sense. Do us a favor, hop off the internet and just stay in your basement.
spa is overrated? What?
I can understand the close down if logistically they couldn’t handle fans at the second practice (safety, staff etc.), but absolutely they have to refund and compensate the aggrieved fans.
11:45 Not only is it not his fault, it's not Ferrari's fault or any other team's fault. The track organizers should at least pay for the production cost of the replaced parts. They won't, of course. It's so bizarre.
WTF1 PUNCHING AIR
You guys are an inspiration.
The thing that upset me the most, it's the fact that they tried to cover the whole incident. They gave 0 information to fans and acted like nothing happened. It would have been easy to come clean, assume the mistake and fixe it, not try to sweep it under the rug. Also, that it took them 5 hours to get the track ready again, it shows quite a bit of unpreparedness.
One thing I wanna point out about the fans not being in attendance as expected is the fact that some places near the track have views of the circuit without paying ridiculous amounts of money.
I've seen on the local news while I was at work that Top Golf has a fantastic view of the pit lane and you don't have to pay a stupid amount of money.
The pricing for this event has been the biggest disaster so far! People aren't going to just let Liberty Media take advantage of them, they won't buy tickets and just watch it live at home instead. The event should want as many people as possible actually attending the event to build atmosphere for the television broadcast and gouging people with ridiculous ticket prices and then treating them so callously like they did at 1:30 a.m. when nobody got to see FP2, is a really bad look for F1 and this isn't something the teams or the FIA are getting up to, this is the ownership of the sport and that damage is much harder to fix, as imposing fines and suspensions isn't an option.
Dude, chill out there are three races in America they will get this race right eventually. Especially when you spend over a half a billion dollars. They going make sure it works.
I don’t get why they can’t temporarily lower manhole covers and then tarmac over them. It’s not like the need to be accessible during the race weekend
Max felt like a clown, Sainz and the fans are screwed over by a clown and this Grand Prix lay out is drawn by a clown.
Watching from europe we figured 0:00 for FP2 is insane. And then i got delayed. Even if you didn't get kicked out of the grandstands, it's just outrageous. I guess clocks don't exist in vegas, so maybe the time of day wasn't an issue. But just sending people off was unacceptable.
imagine paying for an event, not being able to see one day of it and then the second session being delayed and increased in time to make up for the lack of free practice one, and then you are told ur not even allowed to see the delayed second session. so you miss 2 sessions out of 5 in a hugely expensive weekend.
So what about the people who arent there? The residents who would get slammed by traffic on their way to work as everything is letting out?
Bit of inside knowledge: they kicked the fans out because they didn’t want to pay overtime to the staff and security. The staffers were supposed to be done at 0200
The Sainz penalty 100% sucks, but I don't see it as all that different from getting crashed into and needing to take a penalty for a new gearbox, which happens pretty regularly.
Ultimately, I don't think they should allow exceptions for parts, because at the end of the day, they do gain an advantage by having more fresh engine parts than the rest of the field, that has to be offset somehow.
It is quite sobering to hear that the stands were nearly empty during FP1. Forcing those that paid WAY too much out of their seats before FP2 and out of the event area is beyond the pale. I truly wonder what will happen next year. F1 still has 2 days to make a better impression to those of us watching from home, but I fear the damage has been done for paying customers/fans that went through all of the trouble and expense to attend in person...
Actually, watching the practice you either have the wide shot of all the lights or if you follow the cars around with the normal shots you' really don't see any landmarks so you might as well be anywhere. The track itself seemed rather non descriptive and with the long straights and DRS I don't think overtakes are going to be particularly exciting. This one will put you to sleep even if the stupid time slot doesn't.
If they went to Indy or Laguna or even Long Beach and just had a few concerts and a fly over etc we’d all be onboard as long as it was affordable.
Much respect for you guys for saying it how it is, the only people to suffer with this are the fans.
And they send fans home over “safety” then make the jet lagged drivers go out at 3am.
This isn’t sport anymore
Tommy hit a good point there. A group of people online just want this race to fail, and its sad and a real shame. I for one am always excited to see a new track or an older one come back, its a change of scenery and a change brings a lot of unknowns
If you don't like the fancy Vegas show stuff then thats fine, feel free to complain about all that, but hating on the track and the US for no reason just isn't okay. We should be wanting F1 to succeed, not wishing them to fail at every turn
This is quickly becoming the Fyre Festival of F1…
And I am HERE for it, lol.
I’m in Vegas for the weekend and there was probably 300-500 people “walking” across the bridges and the “blocked off view” of the track. Most workers let us watch the practice but you did have the occasional worker tell everyone to move out of the way.
I can't agree more with Verstappen's statement.
Another track that needs to go.
another casual like yourself has been exposed, all the drivers love the track while you sit and cry about it needing to go. Keep coping
100 per cent , complete circus
The same thing in Miami. FP1 is absolutely empty. It slowly picks up throughout weekend but there is a ntoiceable increase in traffic and stands are full for the race. Its not about F1 and racing, its about saying you were there and getting your instagram pciture. They are ruining an absolutely lovely and beautiful sport we love.