The Rejected Joker Deleted Scene That Changed The Batman
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- The Batman has been the talk of the internet since it's release, but what if I told you that there was a scene that would have made the movie feel very different and that would have tied into other parts of the film in unexpected ways? Today, we're taking a look at The Batman's Barry Keoghan Joker deleted scene. Matt Reeves has talked a lot about this scene and it's very clear that a ton of work and care went into it. So the question is: why was it cut? Why didn't this make the final edition of the movie and why didn't we get to see Robert Pattinson's Batman meet Barry Keoghan's Joker? #thebatman #dceu #joker
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I think this scene would be a great post credit scene. But I am kind of glad it wasn't included. It would steal the spotlight from Riddler. I am one of those that love his design, it looks like he just crawled out of a acid tank.
It's interesting how he does sort of look that way even though Reeves said that wasn't his origin here. I'm still interested to see what they do with him if anything in the future.
@@DegenerateJay Yeah same. He should be the main villain in the third one. The conclusion for the trilogy will be brutal (i hope so)
@@_CPP_ this scene would not work well as a post credit scene. Why would he ask Joker how Riddler thinks when he already caught Riddler.
@@TheCapedCrew I’m just saying if it was in the movie, it would’ve fit the best in the post credits, because if it was before Riddler’s attack on Gotham, it would distract the audience away from Riddler. One thing they could do would be to write before the scene: “Before Batman caught the Riddler, he talked to this one inmate” or something like that.
@@_CPP_ No it would not work as a post credit scene. Think about it, Riddler explains to Batman how he thinks thoroughly, so why would he then go to Joker how Riddler thinks after it’s already been explained to him. The dialogue for this scene would need to be changed and look at the file Batman is holding (we see the DRIVE puzzle too) which he solves near the beginning of the film and he goes to the car park with Gordon as a result of solving that puzzle, so it would not work as a post-credit scene.
This scene also spoils the twist where Riddler reveals he idolizes Batman and thinks he's been working with him, which might be one of the reasons it was cut.
This video was entertaining. I hope the second movie starts off the joker escaping, but batman couldn't deal with him. The reason batman can not go after joker because he's dealing with a real threat. Imagine if the second movie is almost done and batman looks into the distance an explosion happens and the movie ends with laughter.
I liked how the joker simply used his own knowledge of the world and figured out quickly who the riddler was before the Batman even came close
A paper clip is useful in prison. I could see Keoghan just improvising taking it while shooting and it made it into the final edit of the scene
It would be useful I'm just not sure if there would ever be a payoff to that type of subtlety. Usually it plays in elsewhere and with Reeves saying he isn't even sure they want to use Keoghan in 2 at all it's one of those things I feel like could be very well on purpose by Keoghan or not.
It reminds me of the permanent smile from Nicholson and the psychotic makeup of Ledger. Definitely chilling and uncomfortable (similar to Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth). Super haunting performance…excited to see what Reeves does next! Great video man
Great video jay! Personally I love this scene and wish it was kept in the movie. It makes the scene at the end feel like less of a tack on and demonstrates to how manipulative/intelligent this rendition of joker can be. From taunting batman to beginning the process of wrapping riddler around his proverbial finger. I don't mind the the origin reeves is going with. It fits with the more realistic setting he is creating and pays homage to "the man who laughs". The character the joker is based on. Hopefully we just little nuggets of him in the future that will lead to final boss like confrontation to end the franchise on.
I was really surprised how no one compared this scene to the scene from Batman Under the Red Hood when Batman goes to Arkham to obtain the information about Red Hood since Joker was formerly the Red Hood and for his opinion of the new guy.
That’s what it reminded me of. That scene probably inspired this one.
Everyone argues about how to say his last name and I've seen major media sites all say it differently so let's just call him Barry McCockiner.
As much as I love the scene, and the aesthetic, I do believe that cutting it was the right decision. Aside from the fact that it feels very "side-questy," it also just kind of undermines the subtlety of everything else in the movie. It's very on the nose and basically spells out the whole Batman/Riddler dynamic. The scene is very in character for Joker, though, since he is a master of manipulation and reading the social/physical cues of others. All in all, good scene, bad for the movie
I'm glad they cut it. I'm feeling a lot of Joker fatigue from the Batman franchise in general and I honestly wish he could just not be in this series at all. Maybe that's a bad take but I'd much rather see some underrated or less relevant Villians get reinvented like they did for Riddler than see yet another version of the ol' clown
I'd like to see him but I'd rather we see him later like a 3rd movie probably at the earliest. It's hard because Joker is one of the best written comics characters out there but they keep rebooting movies and always go right back to him which I get but it can burn people out
@@robbyk7070 I wish, if they were gonna bring him back, they'd do something really nutty with him like the TV show The Batman (2004). They knew they were coming behind one of the most iconic versions of the character (BTAS) so what did they do? THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING ABOUT BTAS JOKER!!! Joker in The Animated Series was this maniacal gangster dude who was really cruel, unhinged and sadistic but always had a certain controlled composure to him. So what does The Batman do? Makes him a totally nuts acrobat who can not only throw hands with Batman and take over all of Arkham in one night but is also an accomplished chemist who can do stuff like turning things into rubber and make a hot air balloon that runs on poison gas. How nuts is that?! But their version of the Joker still stayed true to the heart of the character while expirementing. I feel like we've never really gotten anything like that in lifee action y'know? I know they couldn't do all that stuff outside a cartoon but I wish they would experiment more than they have 😒 sorry for the rant lol
Great video. I love Batman. He good hero.
I’m glad it was left out. It would have taken away from the plot and the Joker is way to overused!
About the Chekovs Paperclip situation:
It wouldn't have to pay of later, as it could also serve Joker's characterization as well as the overall open-endedness of the movie. After all the film feels like it's not just happening in the vacuum but like part of larger universe with implied stories hapenning all around it. It's a bit to much in the detail for that though.
There is a arkham spin off series releasing soon. So he might use the paperclip there
10:24 Joker said "Gotham loves a come back story" of course he's going to escape
It's a bit hard for me to judge this "Joker" off of his tiny amount of screentime. I've seen a lot of people dislike him because he's clearly very different than a normal Joker, but I'd argue so was Ledger and so was Phoenix and they both ended up being very interesting characters in their own right and even changing some perceptions of The Joker on the whole. Reeves did mention before that this isn't a finalized Joker it's a person who is clearly nuts and on their way to becoming The Joker, but he's not end stage Joker like we would see in Arkham or even mid DCAU etc. This is a person with mental issues sort of evolving or devolving to that point. So when people immediately shoot down this Joker, I'm kind of confused on the reasoning.
That said plenty did that with Robert Pattinson as Batman when he was cast too and some still don't like him and some really changed their minds. I'd have to see more of the character to feel very strongly. I liked the scene but I'd almost rather have it be a "canonized" short film set in The Batman's universe than have seen this full scene in the movie.
Yeah it's hard to judge any actors performance or at least ability to become a character off of just a couple of minutes I agree with that completely. Hard to know what he'd look like with makeup and a more classic look too. You brought up Ledger and it's worth mentioning his aesthetic was unique but became accepted and even beloved over time.
The people who don’t like Barry Keoghan as the Joker are just a vocal minority. They’re probably the very same people who doubted Heath Ledger, Ben Affleck and Robert Pattinson when they were announced as the Joker and Batman.
@@DegenerateJay and the same goes for Paul Dano’s Riddler. He had a very unique costume design, which polarized fans before the film released to theaters.
This has a interesting take of the Joker here that look both cool to see and weird styles at the same time glad it was removed but it is what it is
This scene really reminds me of Batman constantly questioning Calendar Man in The Long Halloween which might have been intentional as if I remember correctly this movie was originally going to be heavily based off of The Long Halloween.
I saw this already when it was in Silence of the Lambs.
I like this scene and I'd want to know how this Joker looks in more traditional attire. He could still wear makeup despite the skin stuff I think.
He could wear makeup, but his skin is still pale white and his lips are a little red, so it’s kinda unnecessary.
It wasnt rejected. It was cut. BIG DIFFERENCE! Reeves made the choice and he stated in an interview that Jokers scene was cut because it gave too much away for the main plot.
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We had a lot of Joker in the last view years and there are so many antagonists in the Batman Universe. I would have liked to have the deleted scene in the movie but no hinting that The Joker and The Riddler are going to team up in the future. So they just should have put out the scene with The Joker and The Riddler in the end. In the second movie the people with the Joker Make-Up and with the Riddler Suits maybe can play another little role. But thats it. I think when the events between The Joker and The Batman stay unknown for the viewers it would be a nice little way to bring the Fan Favorite Character back, but not giving him such a primary role this time. We just had a new Joker 2 years ago. It wasn't a criminal mastermind but still. Maybe when the next movie takes a long time to hit the cinemas, then it maybe is ok. Or maybe The Joker gets the third movie. This would be nice. But that doesn't work when they already hinted the teamwork of The Joker and The Riddler in the first movie. The Joker kinda loses his charm when they overuse him.
link to the full scene?
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Took a paperclip... Maybe he know how to lockpick? If a paperclip can do that?
I wish they referenced him instead of that stupid scene with him and Riddler at the end. The joker is Batman’s best villain, but there’s too much of him when he has an array of great villains to choose from
i'm not sure on the take. joker's whole thing... in the comics at least (to my very limited knowledge) is that one bad day turns anyone into him... i like that because it doesn't give the character a sociatal vengence thing but more of a open your eyes to the madness, join me on the dark side kind of thing
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It could be canon if they decide to have it in the physical releases and stuff. We'll know then.
silence of the batmans 👻👻👻
I absolutely loved jokers (sort of) appearance in this movie. I like how he had lots of inspiration from Heath Ledger's Joker without outright copying it. No sure about his laugh though.
I think it’s dumb to have a joker in the Batman cannon already
3 hours and 10 minutes movie, but THIS gets cut? Exactly my problem with movies like this and Dune for example. We get a long ass movie, but actual story gets cut for some reason 🤷♂️ also read that Pattinson didn't want to do another Batman and WB is going back to Affleck. What are your takes on that Jay?
"the actual story" ? Bro this is a random sequel plug lol
I want Joker to be like silence of the lambs for the 1st trilogy, and i only want Dick Grayson as Robin in this trilogy, then the second trilogy will be in the DCEU and will have Jason Todd, then in the 6th movie he'll kill Jason, and be the final main villain
I think the scene was great, but it needed to be cut from the movie. It would have detracted from the Riddler and even probably distracted many from the rest of the movie. I think this scene was better in quality than the one we got, but the one we got was better story telling wise than this
The scene is cool, but I'm glad it was cut, it would have taken the spotlight off of Riddler, (imo I think Joker shouldn't have been in the movie anyway)
People keep comparing it to silence of the lambs but in my opinion it’s far closer to the scene in manhunter! Batman is far closer to will graham then clarice starling.
that is not how you pronounce his name and that isnt a traditional irish way of saying the name
I'm Irish yes it is.
@@kylebutler9281 well guess what jackass so am I and I’m from Dublin just like Barry Keoghan and that isn’t how you pronounce his name
@@kylebutler9281 I am Irish too. It's close but isn't correct.
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Honestly I can't say as I'm really thrilled by this version of the Joker. I like how they already kinda have a relationship going, and the cinematography in this scene was killer, but the design is a bit overdone I think and Keoghan's laugh made *me* laugh, and not in a good way. Still, maybe it'll get better going forward.
I'm very glad it was cut. The Joker design was atrocious, and the scene was one of the most cliche things I've seen in a movie in recent memory.
"U r just the same as the villain, batmmanannn" You think if Matt Reeves was creative enough to make Bruce Wayne an emo dork, he'd be creative enough not to write a generic trope.
Glad or not, this is also the same actor we got at the end and the same version of him we got at the end of the film too, so even though it was cut here I highly doubt the version would be much different in a sequel or 3rd movie or wherever this character will show up. Honestly it's a little hard to judge him completely off this one scene and 3 or 4 other lines at the end of the movie imo. Reeves even said this "Joker" isn't fully Joker yet. He's just on his way there.
But Batman being the same as the villains, or atleast inspiring them, is already something he struggles with and fights against actively at the end of the movie. Its just never said out loud but is 100% implied with riddler believing they are working together and the goon at the end of the movie saying "im vengeance"
I don't like the skin condition take at all
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