@Charlton Harley Yet you dropped a couple of comments. Maybe you should just appreciate all of the versatile content we get from multiple sources rather than complaining like an entitled child. Lol.
@Charlton Harley What are you on about? You think that I insulted you? You are acting like an entitled child. Speak on my real name? Would you like me to give you my personal information over TH-cam? You're a weird guy.
It’s gunna be a crazy off season. New CBA is a nightmare. Lots of teams think they are one player away so they will be aggressive. Teams going to have to develop rosters with true centres as Jokic, Embiid and now Wemby change the league. Bob Meyers has always been ahead of the curve and his move was to QUIT.
Got to wonder what stars who have already had their huge pay days will make a super team where they "only" take 35M a year. With this new hard cap...I mean, "second apron", there's _got_ to be three stars out there who would sacrifice a bit of money to win a title or two.
As a warriors fan, I never thought of that in terms of the Myers situation. Honestly, thinking about it, that sounds like a phenomenal take. Bob knew he was in a zero sum game, and his answer was to cash out before he was forced to lose. He'd rather spend more time with his family than be forced to fuck up something he built just cause the new cba is making him. I think this new CBA might end up either screwing teams out of the talent they developed, or screwing players out of the money they've rightfully earned. Neither of those are good things. Guys are basically going to be forced to take pay cuts if they want to win, and if they want to get paid what they are worth, they'll have to go play for a perennial loser and be literally the only good player on the team to get the money.
Even if he doesn’t it might still be Dallas. Who wants a half-interested (but still meddling), suddenly stingy owner over their heads, having to recruit players to a mediocre destination, bad draft assets, and you’ll get 100% of the blame if Luka walks?
Hawks for sure would be by underrated pick 1. Reduced number of assets/picks 2. DJ Murray invetably going to test free agency 3. Salary cap is eaten up basically by Trae / Capella / Collins / Hunter 4. Need to resign Okongwu and Bey to extensions in a couple years too 5. In a basically win now mode but really awful season by thei standards 6. Trae is allegedy a very difficult pesonality fo teammates / coach 7. I dont think the owner has ever paid the luxury tax - thats a big question to answer Luckily they got an elite coach but itll be intersting to see how they manuevere.
Ya that was a really good take. For the money they make the Hawks haven’t gotten enough out of John Collins and deandre hunter. I think they trade Collins this summer but I’m not sure where to and for what assets in return.
@@uberneanderthal they barely made the playoffs. They been talking about trading John Collins his whole career. Trae wasnt happy. They lost 3 first round picks in the trade. What is easy about that job?
I loved that “Nah we’re fine” from Bill about Isaiah. Totally a “we’re fine but don’t ask about it because I’ll have to prove we’re fine and we probably aren’t” 😂.
Watching this now, their recap draft and their current draft it's amazing how far off they were. Their picks sounded like the top of the standings 3/7/24 lol. Hindsight 20/20 !
It's because they still have assets & flexibility with those assets. Even if they lose guys like Van Vleet & Trent, they can still make moves that suit that new CBA without being under duress.
I'm not sure why the hesitation in the Mavs GM job being tough. No big names voluntarily want to play there for a set of reasons and the culture of the front office has not been fixed even after a few very public cases. They've also backed themselves into a hole by poor evaluation of Brunson and a bench thinning Kyrie trade.
Houston is the hardest to figure out cuz they have multiple guys that’s could stay Medicre or make this take look dumb next year if all went perfect. Their upsides Jalen Green- Ant Edwards, K-Mart- Aaron Gordon, Jabari Smith Jr - JJJ, Sengun - Sabonis, Tari Eason- Jaden McDaniels
I don’t know why Jalen Green gets the shade but Detroit is supposedly a better situation. They ain’t even win 20 games and it would’ve been the same with Cade.
@@Ruben-iq7fc Absolutely McDaniels is an awesome wing piece, he’s taken some nice steps the past couple years to really become a contributor up there. I’m honestly much higher on the team than I was to start the year, the only thing you can do after a bad trade is to move on. Like you said KAT is a massive asset that they’ll be able to capitalize on, he gets a lot of grief for things he may not be great at but man he is still a very special player in my mind, one that somebody would certainly pay a nice price to obtain yet. It’s all about building around Ant now, and I think they have a much better shot at doing so than a lot of people would immediately reckon.
Why would Charlotte want to trade lamelo ?? When healthy dude is a all star easily was on his way to having his best season last year until the injury…. Injuries are a concern but I’m not trading him for brown straight up if I’m Charlotte
@@Shortballa11 he went on a good run I’d say about a month straight we’re he was putting up elite numbers on good percentages… then the lnjury happened people just don’t see that cause no one watches Charlotte
With the new CBA, I'm surprised they didn't mention more of the teams at the 2nd apron that have murky future and no trade options. Warriors, Lakers, Sixers... They have at best one decent move left before the 2nd apron locks them down.
The hardest part of Minnesota's decision is grappling with the new cba. Making the choice to trade KAT, who has been loyal, will be heavily scrutinized. Every fan has a different opinion and TC is guaranteed to piss off >50% of the fan base no matter what.
As a Bulls fan it's an easy fix. 1. Trade Demar and Lavine for picks / cap space 2. See what Coby White, Patrick Williams, and Ayo Dosunmu can do with more shots and higher usage - can they prove that they're more than role players? If they can you're in a good spot because now you have some legit young players and picks from trading Lavine / Demar 3. If number 2 doesn't work out, further gut the team and rebuild from scratch - you also have additional picks from trading Lavine / Demar
It’s not an easy fix. We would be the only team in the league with out a current or future star. And the NBA isn’t gonna package us a Wemby. We would be at the bottom for a very long time. And we owe our 2025 first to the Spurs
Well using your logic literally evert team in the league can do that. Bulls are far from an easy fix as what your saying is just trade for picks and hope you get a superstar
Hey, doesn't Toronto have a Siakam decision, a vanvleet decision, a Gary Trent Jr decision and a looming og annunoby decision? No coach. Traded two firsts for Thad young and Jakob poetel. Two timelines
The Warriors would be my #1 pick. Trading away all their youth assests & choosing old guys like Draymond, Klay & CP3 is gonna prove to be a huge mistake for them over the next 2 seasons. Then once Steph retires, its over for the W's.
With the new CBA, I’d think the worst GM jobs are those where the team already has money committed to a first or second option player that’s either overpaid or consistently disappears in the playoffs, ie, Toronto with Siakam, Knicks with Randle, GSW with Klay, Bucks with Middleton.
I think I would rather have the Dallas job over Golden State. The Draymond Green and Klay Thompson stuff they are going to have to deal with coming up and not be easy for a GM... And do you move on from poole...?
This. Bob Myers got Kevin freaking Durant to join the team that embarrassed him literally only a few months prior. He saw the situation in front of him and said, "nope. I'm out y'all." Bob thought it'd be better to leave the palace he built than to be forced to demolish it to make room for budget condos
I think they missed two sleeper picks. I know they take more into account than just the roster but something about Philly and Milwaukee seems very volatile to me. For Philly, if Harden leaves, what do you do with Embiid? If no superstar becomes available, how do they replace Harden and get another star next to Embiid. Or do you just trade Embiid altogether and rebuild around Maxey? And then they have to figure out what to do with Tobias Harris as well as also pay Maxey, which isn't too bad, but it'll be a lot worse if they also resign Harden, they'll have little to no money left to reshape the roster. For Milwaukee, it's just simply the fact that they have the oldest roster in the league by far. They have good talent, but eventually age is going to catch up to guys like Lopez, Holiday, and Middleton, and then how do they retool the roster around Giannis to still compete? I wouldn't want to be put in either situation
I think there are a couple more times that could have been mentioned. One is Atlanta, with those traded picks, Trae Young and looming contract for Murray. The other is Phoenix, assuming they can not trade Ayton to Indiana for Turner and Hield. Another option would be trade Paul and some pick to the Magic for Gary Harris and Cole Anthony. Those two trades would create more versatility and depth for the team.
I can't see the Pacers trading for Ayton. Suns had their chance last offseason to let him go. And since then Myles had a career year, is now on a team friendly contract, and Ayton once again underperformed in the playoffs. I have seen the rumor of this particular trade but it is Suns fans wish casting at this point.
Is the mavs. The way i see it, you have 1 last year to keep Luka interested in playing for your franchise. If he is home at this time next year, he will request a trade probably.
Ty Lue has got to be the only coach in major league sports today being held against his will lol. Why would anyone want to coach a bunch of guys who literally play when they feel like it
7:23 "Don't trust Towns." Amen to that. The Gobert trade *might* have worked if Towns had his head in the game, but sheesh Towns brought NOTHING to that. For 1 quarter in the first round they ran Towns-Gobert pick and roll against Denver and scorched them. Then they moved away from it.
The only cure for Brooklyn is if Scoot falls to #3 and Portland approaches Joe Tsai with Bill’s exact statement of the Nets dating back to Prokhorov, while saying hey you can restart this whole thing with a superstar PG in NY with scoot, have Anfernee Simons next to him, and Nurk to help keep you from bottoming out completely with some future 1st’s and 2nd’s for Mikal Bridges/Nic Claxton/Royce Oneale
That Vucevic trade is looking more terrible by the day. Imagine if the Bulls had Carter, Wagner, and probably Jordan Hawkins, Wallace, or Hendricks etc. (a really nice player at 11 this year!). They could then comfortably trade Derozan or Lavine with offense to backup the trade.
Portland has zero interest in KAT. Not for Dame, not for the number three pick, not even for Nurkic. Plus Minnesota has no future picks to trade in any of these scenarios.
You lost everyone at Nurkic, no way you honestly believe he's better. Dames value is also decreasing by the year. No idea why they haven't moved him yet because the current roster is going nowhere. Might as well trade him before he gets too old and the return is bad
for me it would be either Memphis or Twolves. if a team is bad or coming up short, you can makes moves to do something about it. what do you do when the entire culture of the organization and players, especially your best players, are immature and soft but the players are also extremely young and talented? the thought of being the GM and having to think about trading Ja or KAT could be a career ending move for a young GM like MN and Memphis has.
Really surprised no one mentioned the hawks. In my opinion the hawks are in a much much worse spot than the pelicans. Also, as a knicks fan, I think we have to be in the consideration. I know we should be excited about the recent playoff run and having a guy like Brunson, but the team is really stuck in no mans land. What do you do with randle? Will rj barrett really take a huge jump, or continue to be a good, not great player? What about having a horrible owner? I get the appeal of having a good fanbase and being in New York, but the past few decades have shown that the supposed incentives of being in New York doesn’t really translate in landing stars in free agency/trades, except for melo. Yes Brunson is a great player, we have some decent young talent, but the roster is still pretty far from being able to realistically compete
The sound Bill made when Ryen mentioned Marcus Morris is the sound ive been making as a clipper fan every time he touches the court 😭 It just gets worse and worse every season. First when they traded for him, then they extended him on a ridiculous contract, and then completely overplayed him over more deserving players especially this year. While the coaches and front office act like he is the key to this team. If he isnt gone this offseason lord have mercy. If the people making these decision watch his film and think anything different then nba executive arent as smart as id like to think
I was actually shocked he’s making that much. 17 million? On top of all the other salaries and problems they have? Like damn man things aren’t looking good for them at all right now. I look at their team and I genuinely don’t know what they can do, their top 2 guys can’t stay on the court especially kawhi and even when he is healthy he still just kinda plays when he wants to. Kawhi at this point feels like he’s a part time nba superstar basically. He does all that load managing just to get injured in the first couple games of the first round it’s just a rough situation to be in. But I hope your team finds some way to work it out though
They hate lamelos post game interviews. He doesn’t like to answer questions. But besides that theres nothing wrong with him. Coaches like him, team likes him, known gym rat, team player too. If he can get stronger at scoring at the rim he will be a top 20 player very soon.
@@dearmas9068 Examples of claim please. Because I see a 21yr old having fun and giving it his all. Again, your claim is extremely bold because there is no evidence of LaMelo Ball being disinterested at all.
@@dearmas9068 You’re actually arguing something that doesn’t exist. Would teammates(former and present) + Eric Spo’s personal opinion change your mind? Or are we still not using outside sources so you can save your argument? Let’s just tell the truth, you just don’t watch hornets. Luckily I do though so I can inform you😁
As a Kings fan I’m so happy about this 😂 1st last year and we’re not on the list this year. My number 1 pick would be the Lakers. Year after year it’s a struggle to get a roster together, they went to the west final but what about next year? Do you run it back or overhaul the roster again to try and compete? Not a fun job
Nice content. I can't see Charlotte trading LaMelo, though what are your thoughts on AD to Charlotte for Hayward, Williams, McGowens, the #2 2023 pick, and 1-2 future first round pick swaps with no protections? I think of all the organisations Charlottle is the most likely to make this type of a deal as AD would up the value proposition of Charlotte, and the Lakers if they were smart would give themselves future flexibility once LeBron actually retires.
Hornets Fan here! I just want to make sure you’re talking about Anthony Davis bc for all that you have us giving up to the Lakers we should be getting LBJ and Bronny! AD is hardly worth Hayward and Rozier!
@@andrewshandle you underestimate the stupidity of the league. May I remind you the Wolves just traded all their players and draft picks for a guy with zero offensive game and making almost 50mil a year
Surprised Philly wasn't higher. They might have to max Maxey, if they let Harden go that doesn't really give them space (~$10M at most) to replace him, and if they use Harris as an expiring out for a team, who do they get back that actually helps?
I listened to the whole podcast. On the Lillard trade, if the Heat lose they would be more enticed to do a trade so Lillard for Lowry expiring, Herro, Jovic, ‘27 1st, ‘29 and two second round picks. Miami has a smaller window so those picks should be good.
@@RevivingLogic ‘31 first and swaps in ‘30 and ‘32? Not sure if they can trade those picks that far out but the trade without that is as close to far as you can get. They’re not trading Lillard to the wolves.
Pacers are in good shape. They have two young players to build around, draft assets and cap space, and no bad contracts. Teams trying to get under the new CBA tax aprons will be calling them.
Yeah they’re fine for right now but as a Pacers fan, they need Mathurin or the guy they draft this year to really turn into a GUY or they could end up in 7-8 seed purgatory every year. Haliburton alone raises the floor of the team but just to be competitive in the league now, you need at least 2 All Star/All NBA level guys or a bonafide top 5 player and good pieces around him.
@@gabesoto9301 Mathurin is just scratching the surface of how good he will be. His athleticism and drive will allow him to become the star the franchise needs.
How about the draft draft? Mt Rushmore: NFL draft, WW2 draft, NBA draft, that draft in the attic you can't find the source of Worst drafts: baseball, Vietnam
I'd like to see the Bulls go after Shaeden Sharpe and The 3rd Picks as well as LaMelo and The 2nd Pick, IF possible I could see The Warriors and Bulls making a move
Honestly I was hoping you would pick Golden State the entire time. You may think what the fuck are you talking about, they have Steph, Klay, Draymond, Wiggins, they fought a good series against the Lakers. But the wheels are coming off, slowly, but the screws are turning in the wrong direction. You are in salary cap hell with the Jordan Poole extension plus the ruined chemestry between at least two teammates. You just lost your priced GM who also had a special relationship with Draymond, who is on record saying it WILL impact his contract extension talks in a significant way who is not on the Steph Curry/Tim Duncan levels on keeping team chemestry afloat and staying silent the whole time. Did I mention the Poole extension? Yeah, good luck attaching draft picks just for trading this contract if he doesnt improve. You have an ageing core who is kinda injury prone, you are deep into the luxury tax with the new CBA rules kicking in, you have chemestry issues at least lingering and the owner talking about promoting his son to a significant role (when did that strategy ever fail?). Forgive the bad movie anology but this feels like the cliff in "Thelma and Louise" where Bob Myers got out of the car, seats you behind the wheel, gives you a pat on the back and tells you "the future is right ahead son, keep driving". Don´t ask why he had to put a cinder block on the gas pedal (JP 130 mio contract) though.
Timberwolves arent as bad as it seems imo. You didnt really get much with your main guys healthy last year, and still you were one blown lead from besting the Lakers for the 7th seed. And then did better than them against Denver. You can trade Kat to a contender for quite a bit still if you want. You have Ant and Jalen as your core. Hopefully Naz Reid. Gobert is there but he can still anchor a regular season defense. Small market, so Ant as your superstar and being a 5-8 seed until the Gobert deal runs out. Theb yiu try to contend with Ant in his prime after some decent signings or trades. Its not good, but definitely salvageable.
Its 2024 and the wizards and hornetts are still bad the bulls are stuck in mediocrity same for the nets and the pistons are an abyss...teams like t wolves clippers and rockets seem fine...dallas too....some hits some misses
Ryen has some darn good points about my Bulls in many ways, unfortunately. Though I wish Ryen and other commentators would stop dumping on Nikola Vucevic, he could almost fill a role like Al Hereford, at the right price ( and if he had the skill set and talent level, so I get what Ryen meant ). A few of the younger Bulls have good enough potential, but the way the team all crumbled under pressure and in the play offs worries me as a fan. Levine is a serviceable first option, if you had a more complimentary second star. Ryen is also right about how the Bulls owners are tight with the payroll, and the lack of good draft picks does not help. 11:52 I hope Bill has not "ironed things out" and is not "fine" with Isaiah Thomas, because Isaiah is a low down dirty snake - being "fine" with such an individual would lower my opinion of Bill. lel
Minnesota are actually in a good position to battle Denver in the next 2-3 seasons roster wise. Ant growing his game and having couple good pieces already around him with KAT and Gobert they are prime for a good run next year. I would like them to trade KAT for any big or wing with more hardness to his game or really impactful role-player.
immense cap those guys haave no synergy or team chemistry doesnt matter if u can make individual talent arguments they will never play right together it will always look like shit cuz thats the type of players they are, they have no distributer/playmaker kat is a complete wimp who gets his soul crushed after missing a couple 3s and gobert only has one real skill that becomes neglible in the playoffs/ he gets smoked by jokic the person hes truly built to guard
If Im coming in as the new GM, I don't mind going to Chicago or Minnesota. I'd have lots of fun blowing those teams up except for Ant Edwards.........both teams have a lot of pieces that can bring value back......I might even see if Edwards and Gobert could work together sans Towns before shipping Gobert out lol
@@dearmas9068 I didn't even say what my trade proposals would be, I wouldn't be asking for anything crazy, imo both teams have lots of pieces you can get value back for. Chicago, imo you can get value back for Lavine, Derozan and Vucevic. Off of Minny, I know you can still get a pretty nice return for Towns, thats good enough for me, but you could prob also flip Gobert, not get what you gave for him, but something decent........plus they'd still have Ant.
I think the Miami Heat is an underrated horrible GM job... I know the owner cares about winning and competing every year, so that's great. But when I think about the top talent on that team, their assets, it's really underwhelming (if I'm thinking about next year). Jimmy will decline. Lowry has already declined. Herro seems over paid. Their undrafted diamonds in the rough have played well enough to get bigger contracts in the future (but will likely all be over paid). They'll have a bunch of Duncan Robinson contract-type problems. And I know Duncan is playing well now - but it feels like a team built around a bunch of mid level talent. And Bam as their top young talent seems to have hit his ceiling. He's very good, but clearly not a number 1 guy. I'm not saying I don't like the team - I root for these guys. But I think it's an enormously challenging GM problem waiting to happen. I think there's a thin line between them and what the Bulls are now (old top talent - no young prospects who you feel comfortable paying a max contract).
Bam arguably has 2-3 seasons of offensive growth still. Herro is an alright piece with trade value if something comes available. Butler is under contract for a few more seasons so they just have to hope he can maintain all star form. Gabe will be retained and molded into the starting point guard. Duncan is more likely to continue on as a good shooter than not, so he’s at least playable, which is huge. Martin is actually on a steal of a contract for 2 more seasons, so that helps them tread water. Lowrys final year is a huge help with them being able to add a decent role player. And they have Jovic in the back pocket for next season. I think next season they’ll have a better regular season and finish top 4 seeds, though they might not make the conference finals. However, this run they went on has done huge things for the front office. Free agents that would have laughed at joining the heat might be swayed now being able to play under Spo and with Jimmy
It would be hard to replace the Harden asset for Philly. That hollow, scared, please-don't-make-me-shoot-it face is hard to find. Who else can turn the ball over in the playoffs like he doesn't care AND not play any defense? Shrinkage like that is premium. George Costanza maybe?
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Is there anything Bill Simmons won’t turn into a draft ? 😅
Your mama!
@Charlton Harley No he hasn't. He made a podcast with his dad about it as soon as the game ended. Lol.
@Charlton Harley Yet you dropped a couple of comments. Maybe you should just appreciate all of the versatile content we get from multiple sources rather than complaining like an entitled child. Lol.
@Charlton Harley why are you here
@Charlton Harley What are you on about? You think that I insulted you? You are acting like an entitled child. Speak on my real name? Would you like me to give you my personal information over TH-cam? You're a weird guy.
It’s gunna be a crazy off season. New CBA is a nightmare. Lots of teams think they are one player away so they will be aggressive. Teams going to have to develop rosters with true centres as Jokic, Embiid and now Wemby change the league. Bob Meyers has always been ahead of the curve and his move was to QUIT.
Hahaha lol funny but true, new CBA seems like a nightmare
My take on Meyers as well. He can't figure out how to get a championship out of his group so it's "peace out."
Someone needs to call Boogie
Got to wonder what stars who have already had their huge pay days will make a super team where they "only" take 35M a year. With this new hard cap...I mean, "second apron", there's _got_ to be three stars out there who would sacrifice a bit of money to win a title or two.
As a warriors fan, I never thought of that in terms of the Myers situation. Honestly, thinking about it, that sounds like a phenomenal take. Bob knew he was in a zero sum game, and his answer was to cash out before he was forced to lose. He'd rather spend more time with his family than be forced to fuck up something he built just cause the new cba is making him.
I think this new CBA might end up either screwing teams out of the talent they developed, or screwing players out of the money they've rightfully earned. Neither of those are good things. Guys are basically going to be forced to take pay cuts if they want to win, and if they want to get paid what they are worth, they'll have to go play for a perennial loser and be literally the only good player on the team to get the money.
"If Kyrie goes to Dallas, Dallas." Lmao
That’s a great pick
Hahaha nice
Not where ever ben Simmons goes lol
Even if he doesn’t it might still be Dallas. Who wants a half-interested (but still meddling), suddenly stingy owner over their heads, having to recruit players to a mediocre destination, bad draft assets, and you’ll get 100% of the blame if Luka walks?
I'm a Mavs fan and that's straight facts
Hawks for sure would be by underrated pick
1. Reduced number of assets/picks
2. DJ Murray invetably going to test free agency
3. Salary cap is eaten up basically by Trae / Capella / Collins / Hunter
4. Need to resign Okongwu and Bey to extensions in a couple years too
5. In a basically win now mode but really awful season by thei standards
6. Trae is allegedy a very difficult pesonality fo teammates / coach
7. I dont think the owner has ever paid the luxury tax - thats a big question to answer
Luckily they got an elite coach but itll be intersting to see how they manuevere.
u know ball 🤝
Ya that was a really good take. For the money they make the Hawks haven’t gotten enough out of John Collins and deandre hunter. I think they trade Collins this summer but I’m not sure where to and for what assets in return.
You forgot one thing. The owners dipshit kid is basically running the team.
How can Atlanta not be on the list?
Thank you. Spurs about to feast on those 3 1st round picks they got.
Yeah they definitely dropped the ball not mentioning Atlanta
tbh it's an easy GM gig, the pieces are there just gotta hope they develop.
The Hawks have talent tho
@@uberneanderthal they barely made the playoffs. They been talking about trading John Collins his whole career. Trae wasnt happy. They lost 3 first round picks in the trade. What is easy about that job?
I loved that “Nah we’re fine” from Bill about Isaiah. Totally a “we’re fine but don’t ask about it because I’ll have to prove we’re fine and we probably aren’t” 😂.
the section in Bill’s book about their beef is hilarious
In my mind if Bill really is "fine" with Isaiah now, it kinda brings Bill down a bit closer to Isaiah's low level.
What was the issue between Bill and Isaiah?
@@jeremyroberts8822 Bill use to shit over his GM skills with the Knicks back in the mid 2000s
*Isiah, that spelling is the celtics Isaiah
These are fun. Doesn’t mean much but definitely entertaining to listen.
Watching this now, their recap draft and their current draft it's amazing how far off they were. Their picks sounded like the top of the standings 3/7/24 lol. Hindsight 20/20 !
I’m a wizards fan, i have no idea how we weren’t selected higher truly baffled. A true sleeper
Wizards are worse 😊😊
I was a little surprised neither took Toronto. I just feel like their team if brought back is stuck in no mans land.
Me too. And no pick this year
@@jumpmann3455 13th overall this year
It's because they still have assets & flexibility with those assets. Even if they lose guys like Van Vleet & Trent, they can still make moves that suit that new CBA without being under duress.
Glad you guys did this again, I hope it's a yearly topic
I'm not sure why the hesitation in the Mavs GM job being tough. No big names voluntarily want to play there for a set of reasons and the culture of the front office has not been fixed even after a few very public cases. They've also backed themselves into a hole by poor evaluation of Brunson and a bench thinning Kyrie trade.
Because you have Luka
@@SchulzEricT The clock is ticking
Watching this 8months later you understand why these two are just talking heads..
Houston is the hardest to figure out cuz they have multiple guys that’s could stay Medicre or make this take look dumb next year if all went perfect. Their upsides Jalen Green- Ant Edwards, K-Mart- Aaron Gordon, Jabari Smith Jr - JJJ, Sengun - Sabonis, Tari Eason- Jaden McDaniels
I don’t know why Jalen Green gets the shade but Detroit is supposedly a better situation. They ain’t even win 20 games and it would’ve been the same with Cade.
@@eazymb. it boogies my mind
Ryan looks soulless 😭 get some rest my man
LMAO
He needs a wife and kids at this point lol
And furniture
Looks and sounds lol
He looks so boring to be around
It’s so funny how much kyrie simply tanks an entire team
I think Dame with Edwards would be magical. Max Reid can fill KAT’s spot! He did for most of this last season
Always love a draft video!!
Having Anthony Edwards makes up for figuring out what to do with Gobert in my mind if there were a prospective GM assessing a move to Minnesota.
Right? And I am a biased timberwolves fan, but McDaniels is such an underrated piece at the moment. Also for some reason other teams seem to like KAT
@@Ruben-iq7fc we got the seatbelt and 🐜. We don’t need to worry lol
@@Ruben-iq7fc Absolutely McDaniels is an awesome wing piece, he’s taken some nice steps the past couple years to really become a contributor up there. I’m honestly much higher on the team than I was to start the year, the only thing you can do after a bad trade is to move on. Like you said KAT is a massive asset that they’ll be able to capitalize on, he gets a lot of grief for things he may not be great at but man he is still a very special player in my mind, one that somebody would certainly pay a nice price to obtain yet. It’s all about building around Ant now, and I think they have a much better shot at doing so than a lot of people would immediately reckon.
Kat also still has plenty of trade value
"na we're fine" about Zeke lmaoo
Minnesota 3rd worst GM was almost immediately a bad take going in the 23-24 season.
Funny watching the talk about Washington post-Beal trade 😂
That Harden joke that ends the next video of Jokic/Jimmy all-time ranking hits harder after watching the beginning of this video.
That Wolves pick not looking great in retrospect. Taylor as an owner is a massive drag though.
First time here watching the podcast. 👍🏽keep up the good work!
I still want an explanation as to why Ryen Rusillo was the only vote for cade Cunningham as rookie of the year and not scottie barnes
My screen was stuck loading on Rusillo's intro yawn and I felt that
Wizards by far
100% agreed no mans land for a long time
I wish there was a playlist on TH-cam where they collect anything bill and ryen do together.
Why would Charlotte want to trade lamelo ?? When healthy dude is a all star easily was on his way to having his best season last year until the injury…. Injuries are a concern but I’m not trading him for brown straight up if I’m Charlotte
You just said "when healthy" he's a part time player
Last year was his best season, this year he was just throwing up shots cuz they were trash. Bt agree that he is a star and they giving up early on him
@@FalseNi9e why is it that one year makes you injury prone. If you were the GM, you would’ve traded Steph after year 3 of his ankle issues
He probably wants to leave to go to a big market anyway.
@@Shortballa11 he went on a good run I’d say about a month straight we’re he was putting up elite numbers on good percentages… then the lnjury happened people just don’t see that cause no one watches Charlotte
I’m really surprised that Atlanta wasn’t mentioned at all in this clip lol
With the new CBA, I'm surprised they didn't mention more of the teams at the 2nd apron that have murky future and no trade options.
Warriors, Lakers, Sixers...
They have at best one decent move left before the 2nd apron locks them down.
They mentioned LAC who is the most screwed high payroll team
@@amc1140 I know. That's why I said "more" but ultimately they didn't mention the new rules at all
“Even if you want to get outta the Beal business” 😂😂
The hardest part of Minnesota's decision is grappling with the new cba. Making the choice to trade KAT, who has been loyal, will be heavily scrutinized. Every fan has a different opinion and TC is guaranteed to piss off >50% of the fan base no matter what.
"they have Tobias Harris" killed me haha 20:45
Atlanta should be on here
As a Bulls fan it's an easy fix.
1. Trade Demar and Lavine for picks / cap space
2. See what Coby White, Patrick Williams, and Ayo Dosunmu can do with more shots and higher usage - can they prove that they're more than role players? If they can you're in a good spot because now you have some legit young players and picks from trading Lavine / Demar
3. If number 2 doesn't work out, further gut the team and rebuild from scratch - you also have additional picks from trading Lavine / Demar
It’s not an easy fix. We would be the only team in the league with out a current or future star. And the NBA isn’t gonna package us a Wemby. We would be at the bottom for a very long time. And we owe our 2025 first to the Spurs
Well using your logic literally evert team in the league can do that. Bulls are far from an easy fix as what your saying is just trade for picks and hope you get a superstar
So your easy fix is to nuke it and start from scratch with nothing 😅
Didn't they attempt number 2 prior to signing DeMar and Lavine and it wasn't going well?
@@ronmexico7256 No I said worse case scenario they start from scratch with additional picks from other teams.....
Can anyone find on TH-cam? The discussion they are referencing at 10:55 ? Thanks
Hey, doesn't Toronto have a Siakam decision, a vanvleet decision, a Gary Trent Jr decision and a looming og annunoby decision? No coach. Traded two firsts for Thad young and Jakob poetel. Two timelines
The Warriors would be my #1 pick.
Trading away all their youth assests & choosing old guys like Draymond, Klay & CP3 is gonna prove to be a huge mistake for them over the next 2 seasons.
Then once Steph retires, its over for the W's.
With the new CBA, I’d think the worst GM jobs are those where the team already has money committed to a first or second option player that’s either overpaid or consistently disappears in the playoffs, ie, Toronto with Siakam, Knicks with Randle, GSW with Klay, Bucks with Middleton.
“It’s like ozempic jokic” hilarious
I think I would rather have the Dallas job over Golden State. The Draymond Green and Klay Thompson stuff they are going to have to deal with coming up and not be easy for a GM... And do you move on from poole...?
Poole ain't shit since the reset DG gave him. lol😂
This. Bob Myers got Kevin freaking Durant to join the team that embarrassed him literally only a few months prior. He saw the situation in front of him and said, "nope. I'm out y'all." Bob thought it'd be better to leave the palace he built than to be forced to demolish it to make room for budget condos
I think they missed two sleeper picks. I know they take more into account than just the roster but something about Philly and Milwaukee seems very volatile to me. For Philly, if Harden leaves, what do you do with Embiid? If no superstar becomes available, how do they replace Harden and get another star next to Embiid. Or do you just trade Embiid altogether and rebuild around Maxey? And then they have to figure out what to do with Tobias Harris as well as also pay Maxey, which isn't too bad, but it'll be a lot worse if they also resign Harden, they'll have little to no money left to reshape the roster. For Milwaukee, it's just simply the fact that they have the oldest roster in the league by far. They have good talent, but eventually age is going to catch up to guys like Lopez, Holiday, and Middleton, and then how do they retool the roster around Giannis to still compete? I wouldn't want to be put in either situation
I think there are a couple more times that could have been mentioned. One is Atlanta, with those traded picks, Trae Young and looming contract for Murray. The other is Phoenix, assuming they can not trade Ayton to Indiana for Turner and Hield. Another option would be trade Paul and some pick to the Magic for Gary Harris and Cole Anthony. Those two trades would create more versatility and depth for the team.
Magic aren't doing that trade lmao
I can't see the Pacers trading for Ayton. Suns had their chance last offseason to let him go. And since then Myles had a career year, is now on a team friendly contract, and Ayton once again underperformed in the playoffs. I have seen the rumor of this particular trade but it is Suns fans wish casting at this point.
I agree, which is what makes the job so frustrating.
Is the mavs. The way i see it, you have 1 last year to keep Luka interested in playing for your franchise. If he is home at this time next year, he will request a trade probably.
Ty Lue has got to be the only coach in major league sports today being held against his will lol. Why would anyone want to coach a bunch of guys who literally play when they feel like it
That’s half the league now. 😅
@@jchung1506 not the European players. And nobody misses games like Kawhi does lol. He won't even tell you he's not playing until hrs before tip off
7:23 "Don't trust Towns."
Amen to that. The Gobert trade *might* have worked if Towns had his head in the game, but sheesh Towns brought NOTHING to that. For 1 quarter in the first round they ran Towns-Gobert pick and roll against Denver and scorched them. Then they moved away from it.
Sounds like a coaching issue tho no?
Bill and Ryen are both hilarious absolutely tearing these teams and players to shreds. This is a classic episode. We need this on mainstream TV .
Love these videos
The only cure for Brooklyn is if Scoot falls to #3 and Portland approaches Joe Tsai with Bill’s exact statement of the Nets dating back to Prokhorov, while saying hey you can restart this whole thing with a superstar PG in NY with scoot, have Anfernee Simons next to him, and Nurk to help keep you from bottoming out completely with some future 1st’s and 2nd’s for Mikal Bridges/Nic Claxton/Royce Oneale
Toronto ?
That Vucevic trade is looking more terrible by the day. Imagine if the Bulls had Carter, Wagner, and probably Jordan Hawkins, Wallace, or Hendricks etc. (a really nice player at 11 this year!). They could then comfortably trade Derozan or Lavine with offense to backup the trade.
Bill don’t wanna talk about brunson after making fun of the signing smh
Classic little Billy!
Portland has zero interest in KAT. Not for Dame, not for the number three pick, not even for Nurkic. Plus Minnesota has no future picks to trade in any of these scenarios.
And how would you know this Information while no one does?
Ok, Nurkic is a step too far. You ain't THAT high and mighty.
You lost everyone at Nurkic, no way you honestly believe he's better. Dames value is also decreasing by the year. No idea why they haven't moved him yet because the current roster is going nowhere. Might as well trade him before he gets too old and the return is bad
for me it would be either Memphis or Twolves. if a team is bad or coming up short, you can makes moves to do something about it. what do you do when the entire culture of the organization and players, especially your best players, are immature and soft but the players are also extremely young and talented? the thought of being the GM and having to think about trading Ja or KAT could be a career ending move for a young GM like MN and Memphis has.
Draft Results:
#1 Hornets (Ryen)
#2 Bulls (Bill)
#3 TWolves (Ryen)
#4 Clippers (Bill)
#5 Wizards (Ryen)
#6 Rockets (Bill)
#7 Mavericks (Ryen)
#8 Nets (Bill)
Really surprised no one mentioned the hawks. In my opinion the hawks are in a much much worse spot than the pelicans.
Also, as a knicks fan, I think we have to be in the consideration. I know we should be excited about the recent playoff run and having a guy like Brunson, but the team is really stuck in no mans land. What do you do with randle? Will rj barrett really take a huge jump, or continue to be a good, not great player? What about having a horrible owner? I get the appeal of having a good fanbase and being in New York, but the past few decades have shown that the supposed incentives of being in New York doesn’t really translate in landing stars in free agency/trades, except for melo. Yes Brunson is a great player, we have some decent young talent, but the roster is still pretty far from being able to realistically compete
they did a really good job avoiding Udoka being Houston. it’s ok guys we get it, have fun with mazzulla and paying the J’s 600M+ lol
The sound Bill made when Ryen mentioned Marcus Morris is the sound ive been making as a clipper fan every time he touches the court 😭
It just gets worse and worse every season. First when they traded for him, then they extended him on a ridiculous contract, and then completely overplayed him over more deserving players especially this year. While the coaches and front office act like he is the key to this team. If he isnt gone this offseason lord have mercy. If the people making these decision watch his film and think anything different then nba executive arent as smart as id like to think
I was actually shocked he’s making that much. 17 million? On top of all the other salaries and problems they have? Like damn man things aren’t looking good for them at all right now. I look at their team and I genuinely don’t know what they can do, their top 2 guys can’t stay on the court especially kawhi and even when he is healthy he still just kinda plays when he wants to. Kawhi at this point feels like he’s a part time nba superstar basically. He does all that load managing just to get injured in the first couple games of the first round it’s just a rough situation to be in. But I hope your team finds some way to work it out though
What’s so bad about Lamelo? Can some1 tell me why they were dissing him?
They hate lamelos post game interviews. He doesn’t like to answer questions. But besides that theres nothing wrong with him. Coaches like him, team likes him, known gym rat, team player too. If he can get stronger at scoring at the rim he will be a top 20 player very soon.
@@dearmas9068 you said he has no heart. You’re not watching these games
@@dearmas9068 I need multiple examples of him exhibiting that attitude. Because this is a BOLD claim
@@dearmas9068 Examples of claim please. Because I see a 21yr old having fun and giving it his all. Again, your claim is extremely bold because there is no evidence of LaMelo Ball being disinterested at all.
@@dearmas9068 You’re actually arguing something that doesn’t exist. Would teammates(former and present) + Eric Spo’s personal opinion change your mind? Or are we still not using outside sources so you can save your argument? Let’s just tell the truth, you just don’t watch hornets. Luckily I do though so I can inform you😁
Don’t know how the hawks weren’t on this list
We need a fake trades episode or free agent predictions!
Ozempic Jokic 🤣🤣🤣
Does 1080p still look like about 12p for anyone else?
I love the Dallas pick. They’re the definition of “Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t”. Either way, you’re damned.
Did Atlanta figure it out while I wasn’t looking?
Definitely would’ve picked the hawks over Houston imo
As a Kings fan I’m so happy about this 😂 1st last year and we’re not on the list this year.
My number 1 pick would be the Lakers. Year after year it’s a struggle to get a roster together, they went to the west final but what about next year? Do you run it back or overhaul the roster again to try and compete? Not a fun job
Nice content. I can't see Charlotte trading LaMelo, though what are your thoughts on AD to Charlotte for Hayward, Williams, McGowens, the #2 2023 pick, and 1-2 future first round pick swaps with no protections?
I think of all the organisations Charlottle is the most likely to make this type of a deal as AD would up the value proposition of Charlotte, and the Lakers if they were smart would give themselves future flexibility once LeBron actually retires.
Hornets Fan here! I just want to make sure you’re talking about Anthony Davis bc for all that you have us giving up to the Lakers we should be getting LBJ and Bronny! AD is hardly worth Hayward and Rozier!
That Brooklyn pick turned out to be a STEAL.
Wolves could trade Kat and also McDaniels and then be loaded with assets.
They absolutely NEED to trade Kat. And they absolutely NEED to keep McDaniels. This guy is underpaid gem that’s is gonna be the perfect third option
@@Shortballa11 Agreed. The KAT/Gobert pairing is clearly not going to work. The hardest part is getting somebody to take KAT’s contract lmao
@@KIDLACROIX420 Their will always be some poor soul out there lol. Somebody like the Knicks or Blazers will eventually bite
KAT has a 10% trade kicker, he'll get 5y/285M if he gets traded this season....no team is doing that, not even the Knicks.
@@andrewshandle you underestimate the stupidity of the league. May I remind you the Wolves just traded all their players and draft picks for a guy with zero offensive game and making almost 50mil a year
Surprised Philly wasn't higher. They might have to max Maxey, if they let Harden go that doesn't really give them space (~$10M at most) to replace him, and if they use Harris as an expiring out for a team, who do they get back that actually helps?
Everytime i listen to you two chit chat, i find myself wishing we were friends. 😊
Weird
Every time they get together I can’t stop laughing.
Maybe the draft classes were the friends we made along the way
I listened to the whole podcast. On the Lillard trade, if the Heat lose they would be more enticed to do a trade so Lillard for Lowry expiring, Herro, Jovic, ‘27 1st, ‘29 and two second round picks. Miami has a smaller window so those picks should be good.
Not enough
As a Heat fan I’ll take that…. Love Herro and Jovic will be a player, but Dame is 💰.
@@RevivingLogic ‘31 first and swaps in ‘30 and ‘32? Not sure if they can trade those picks that far out but the trade without that is as close to far as you can get. They’re not trading Lillard to the wolves.
Pacers are in good shape. They have two young players to build around, draft assets and cap space, and no bad contracts. Teams trying to get under the new CBA tax aprons will be calling them.
Yeah they’re fine for right now but as a Pacers fan, they need Mathurin or the guy they draft this year to really turn into a GUY or they could end up in 7-8 seed purgatory every year. Haliburton alone raises the floor of the team but just to be competitive in the league now, you need at least 2 All Star/All NBA level guys or a bonafide top 5 player and good pieces around him.
@@gabesoto9301 Mathurin is just scratching the surface of how good he will be. His athleticism and drive will allow him to become the star the franchise needs.
@@gabesoto9301 remember the cba coming in. Pacers are in a really good spot 😂
How about the draft draft? Mt Rushmore: NFL draft, WW2 draft, NBA draft, that draft in the attic you can't find the source of Worst drafts: baseball, Vietnam
Surprised no one took ATL, with all the Morant problems.
Memphis or ATL? Agreed on ATL if you talking about Trae
i want to watch the clip of isaiah talking about expiring contracts if anyone has that...
I'd like to see the Bulls go after Shaeden Sharpe and The 3rd Picks as well as LaMelo and The 2nd Pick, IF possible
I could see The Warriors and Bulls making a move
Bulls have nothing to get those players or picks. Sorry dude.
How would you make either of those trades work for the other team no shot Lavigne by himself gets either of those packages
We need something because the Spurs have our 2025 pick so we can’t even bottom out
Honestly I was hoping you would pick Golden State the entire time. You may think what the fuck are you talking about, they have Steph, Klay, Draymond, Wiggins, they fought a good series against the Lakers. But the wheels are coming off, slowly, but the screws are turning in the wrong direction. You are in salary cap hell with the Jordan Poole extension plus the ruined chemestry between at least two teammates. You just lost your priced GM who also had a special relationship with Draymond, who is on record saying it WILL impact his contract extension talks in a significant way who is not on the Steph Curry/Tim Duncan levels on keeping team chemestry afloat and staying silent the whole time. Did I mention the Poole extension? Yeah, good luck attaching draft picks just for trading this contract if he doesnt improve. You have an ageing core who is kinda injury prone, you are deep into the luxury tax with the new CBA rules kicking in, you have chemestry issues at least lingering and the owner talking about promoting his son to a significant role (when did that strategy ever fail?). Forgive the bad movie anology but this feels like the cliff in "Thelma and Louise" where Bob Myers got out of the car, seats you behind the wheel, gives you a pat on the back and tells you "the future is right ahead son, keep driving". Don´t ask why he had to put a cinder block on the gas pedal (JP 130 mio contract) though.
Timberwolves arent as bad as it seems imo.
You didnt really get much with your main guys healthy last year, and still you were one blown lead from besting the Lakers for the 7th seed. And then did better than them against Denver.
You can trade Kat to a contender for quite a bit still if you want.
You have Ant and Jalen as your core. Hopefully Naz Reid.
Gobert is there but he can still anchor a regular season defense.
Small market, so Ant as your superstar and being a 5-8 seed until the Gobert deal runs out. Theb yiu try to contend with Ant in his prime after some decent signings or trades.
Its not good, but definitely salvageable.
Really no Atlanta?
Its 2024 and the wizards and hornetts are still bad the bulls are stuck in mediocrity same for the nets and the pistons are an abyss...teams like t wolves clippers and rockets seem fine...dallas too....some hits some misses
Ryen has some darn good points about my Bulls in many ways, unfortunately. Though I wish Ryen and other commentators would stop dumping on Nikola Vucevic, he could almost fill a role like Al Hereford, at the right price ( and if he had the skill set and talent level, so I get what Ryen meant ). A few of the younger Bulls have good enough potential, but the way the team all crumbled under pressure and in the play offs worries me as a fan. Levine is a serviceable first option, if you had a more complimentary second star. Ryen is also right about how the Bulls owners are tight with the payroll, and the lack of good draft picks does not help.
11:52 I hope Bill has not "ironed things out" and is not "fine" with Isaiah Thomas, because Isaiah is a low down dirty snake - being "fine" with such an individual would lower my opinion of Bill. lel
No Atlanta???
Teams like Houston Clippers and Raptors aren't bad jobs they have plenty of trade pieces
Houston owns every Brooklyn pick through 2027 they are not at all a worse situtation than Brooklyn
No they don’t they own two with two pick swaps which look like are not happening.
Thank god we have ANT. Have lots of time to get the roster shaped around him.
Minnesota are actually in a good position to battle Denver in the next 2-3 seasons roster wise. Ant growing his game and having couple good pieces already around him with KAT and Gobert they are prime for a good run next year. I would like them to trade KAT for any big or wing with more hardness to his game or really impactful role-player.
immense cap those guys haave no synergy or team chemistry doesnt matter if u can make individual talent arguments they will never play right together it will always look like shit cuz thats the type of players they are, they have no distributer/playmaker kat is a complete wimp who gets his soul crushed after missing a couple 3s and gobert only has one real skill that becomes neglible in the playoffs/ he gets smoked by jokic the person hes truly built to guard
Pretty spot on regarding Minny v Denver.
Sacramento was once a high pick. My, how the turn tables.
If Im coming in as the new GM, I don't mind going to Chicago or Minnesota. I'd have lots of fun blowing those teams up except for Ant Edwards.........both teams have a lot of pieces that can bring value back......I might even see if Edwards and Gobert could work together sans Towns before shipping Gobert out lol
@@dearmas9068 I didn't even say what my trade proposals would be, I wouldn't be asking for anything crazy, imo both teams have lots of pieces you can get value back for. Chicago, imo you can get value back for Lavine, Derozan and Vucevic. Off of Minny, I know you can still get a pretty nice return for Towns, thats good enough for me, but you could prob also flip Gobert, not get what you gave for him, but something decent........plus they'd still have Ant.
Before this starts, I'm curious about where Bill puts the Sixers considering that he's buddies with Daryl Morey.
I think the Miami Heat is an underrated horrible GM job... I know the owner cares about winning and competing every year, so that's great. But when I think about the top talent on that team, their assets, it's really underwhelming (if I'm thinking about next year). Jimmy will decline. Lowry has already declined. Herro seems over paid. Their undrafted diamonds in the rough have played well enough to get bigger contracts in the future (but will likely all be over paid). They'll have a bunch of Duncan Robinson contract-type problems. And I know Duncan is playing well now - but it feels like a team built around a bunch of mid level talent. And Bam as their top young talent seems to have hit his ceiling. He's very good, but clearly not a number 1 guy. I'm not saying I don't like the team - I root for these guys. But I think it's an enormously challenging GM problem waiting to happen. I think there's a thin line between them and what the Bulls are now (old top talent - no young prospects who you feel comfortable paying a max contract).
Bam arguably has 2-3 seasons of offensive growth still. Herro is an alright piece with trade value if something comes available. Butler is under contract for a few more seasons so they just have to hope he can maintain all star form. Gabe will be retained and molded into the starting point guard. Duncan is more likely to continue on as a good shooter than not, so he’s at least playable, which is huge. Martin is actually on a steal of a contract for 2 more seasons, so that helps them tread water. Lowrys final year is a huge help with them being able to add a decent role player. And they have Jovic in the back pocket for next season. I think next season they’ll have a better regular season and finish top 4 seeds, though they might not make the conference finals. However, this run they went on has done huge things for the front office. Free agents that would have laughed at joining the heat might be swayed now being able to play under Spo and with Jimmy
surprised that neither of them mentioned the Toronto Raptors.
It would be hard to replace the Harden asset for Philly. That hollow, scared, please-don't-make-me-shoot-it face is hard to find. Who else can turn the ball over in the playoffs like he doesn't care AND not play any defense? Shrinkage like that is premium. George Costanza maybe?
They were so wrong 😂😂
Not even a big lamelo dude but of course charlotte maxes him, plenty of worse dudes in the league on a max than an all star pg
And he has 2-3 elite level skills. Passing,3pt shooting,handle. + a high iq player. Max him out wtf
honestly shocked the Toronto Raptors didn't make the list. We're a directionless mess.
How you feeling about this now billy!