Everyone is going on about fake news, fear mongering, etc. My question is this: How long did the original Engineers expect this Dam to last? Everything has a life expectantcy. Should we strengthen this Dam or any of the others on the Missouri? Or should we remove them all, along with the levees? The Corps is seeing to the levees.
When the disaster occurs, an 'blue ribbon committee' will be established and well paid to determine what happened and to ensure it never happens again. Just like the last 1,000 catastrophes.
If you've ever seen a beach sand replenishment project, this is basically how the earth was placed for this dam. It was piped as a slurry, deposited, and the water ran off leaving the dirt behind. I don't think this was the preferred method but was used as a necessity. I do find it strange that after the collapse (during construction) they simply rebuilt the collapsed section, leaving the already built section standing. But I don't believe a collapse is imminent and even if it does occur, this dam has the capability of releasing a massive amount of water in a controlled release. The record discharge flow was in 2011 at 65,900cfs (previous record was 35,000cfs in 1975). It has a design maximum discharge flow of a whopping 275,000cfs. Thus, a huge amount of relief can be gained at the first sign of failure. I'm not saying there won't be flooding - but it wouldn't be a 'wall of water' type catastrophe the expert spoke of. I would be much more worried about the diversion structures at and around Old River on the Mississippi failing than this.
In fact there is a full span of 3/8" steel and hard clay at the core of this dam, long before the hydraulic fill was pumped in. The steel is driven clear into the bedrock below the dam.
Cpt Scuttle Modern locomotives like the one shown in the story are so quiet when they’re pulling on level ground or going downhill that if you were trespassing and walking downhill they’d sneak up behind and be on top of you before you’d even know it. A lot of engineers end up blowing the horn to get people off the tracks because trespassers don’t hear their train coming.
I live near Fort Peck and from what I see it looks pretty stable the Dam "sweats" which is good ( green grass on the side of the damn indicates that) plus they have thousands upon thousands of yards of large boulders on the water side of the dam
you mean all the armchair experts that people trust to know more than hydraulic professors???? imagen the fact that the usa spends trillions of $$$ on military actions, but cant keep their own backyard safe????
By, what worst timing if a volcano activty start pecking up that can give off some effect as well. good 300 miles southwest from that damn. So, anything can take a huge dam out. All it needs is a little crack from under that dam that lets the water flow. What the flow gets going their is no stopping it.
You do know Trump basically cut corners to give federal assistance to people in Nebraska for the flooding of 2019? Just because most of the media refuses to say anything that could be remotely positive about Trump. It is all collusion with Russia still. Even if there was more evidence for Obama than Trump to be colluding with Russia.
@@USMCasper Trump is doing NOTHING to update our infrastructure! In FACT.. he is Holding Up the release of money already earmarked for Infrastructure projects. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
Most of my life has been spent near Ft. Peck and the dam. Back in the 50's, during the cold war, I was a young student living 50 miles away, we were instructed what we needed to do if the dam broke as it was supposedly near the top of the list of places that Russia would strike and the damage that could be done. Glasgow Air Base was constructed and that would have given protection from the threat of another country crossing the Canadian Border approximately 60 miles away. The "expert" in this tv segment definitely is using fear to sway people's opinion. On a personal note, I knew many of the men who helped build this dam and it was the latest technology at that time. It has also been the livelihood of many, providing electricity to an otherwise barren country. Many years the water level is lowered to provide water enough to enable barges to provide transportation on the Mississippi. That is part of the story that has not been addressed as well as all the flooding that the dam has prevented over the years.
We are to rural of a state for anybody to care. We had major floods this year. Set a record of consecutive days with sub zero temperatures (coldest February in history 30+ consecutive days below 0°). Had an open range fire that was larger than Rhode Island. Yet most of the country doesn't know.
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Wondering why Kansas City wasn't mentioned. It is closer to the dam in question and just as big. St.Louis is further away, giving more time for the water to disapate
So Glasgow does have to worry who ever said the message goes up to Glasgow needs to learn their geography. And why go to the congressman? That damn wont be torn down to replace it's to expensive for the amount of money montana is given to do projects.
Dam infrastructure? Outside of the Concrete spillway whats there? A bunch of dirt, rocks and stuff, how do you Update that, without replacing it with a steel and concrete structure?
Never seen a problem. If any dam broke would be bad. Everything was built long ago, and was how things were built then, not now. A great place to fish, and safety issue.
He said all them damn in 1930 have to be rebuilt but he didn't say nothing about the Hoover Dam he's probably still mad because he didn't get paid $30 a month when I was getting built and now he wants his money
Was the Fort Peck Dam affected at all by the last big seismic event in Yellowstone back in 1959? That one was a 7.2 magnitude quake. Big in anyone's book. Consider the source of this piece. Produced by a St. Louis TV station. And they failed to say anything about the other large cities on the lower Missouri. Omaha, Kansas City and Jefferson City for example. Another case of dramatizing the most remote of possibilities.
When I first saw that dam I wondered just why on Earth would they bury all that concrete and steel with dirt? I talked to the Montana govt. They said it's just dirt, no steel or concrete. When I said "really" they asked where I was from, then said go back and mind my own business before they'll take care of me. I packed my things and left.
I take it you're from California or some other place or idiots are raised in Mass! You realize all the dams on the Missouri River and most of the dams in the United States are made of dirt! The only dams that are made of concrete are generally in canyons that are quite small!
How would you replace a dam of this size that is already holding back water? And although it will be expensive if it fails I couldn't imagine the replacement cost in todays dollars to replace it, we are also living in a time of lost technology and lack of skilled labor so although not impossible it woud be a learning experience all over again.
@@cavelvlan25 I see your point however if one was to use concrete/dirt etc it would have to be "key wayed" into the earth on the bottom and sides which would be a little sketchy to remove that much dirt from the existing dam without it collapsing. They are watching the dam with state of the art tech in fact no one is allowed to even walk across the dam front heavy security.
The guy most likely knows what he is talking about. If you start checking how many dam failures there have been it gets scary. Anouther thing to worry about is the age of the dam. Dams are built for a certain useful life. Usually 80 to 100 years. At that point it was assumed that the dam would be replaced. So as the dam gets past this expected life expectancy the chances of a dam failure increased each year. Kind of like the camel with the extra heavy load. Yes you can put more straw on it's back but soon one more straw will brake it's back. This guy, judging from other similar dams, appears to think this dam is only a few straws from breaking.
Shut the fuck up asshole..... America bounced a ball off of the surface of Mars.... spit out a mars rover and explored the surface for months beyond expectations. You must be European.
So I wonder how many people bothered to contact their congressman after watching this? Because, people need to. If no one bothers contacting powerful people in office, then they have no cause for complaint if the dam bursts and they did nothing about it. The message is clear. Contact your congressman. It doesn't matter whether he or she is Dem or Rep, you just need to contact your representative. Otherwise, why do we vote them in office?
"Glasgow Montana is known for 2 things: Peace, and Quiet" > B Roll of a train blasting its horn through town. Lol who runs this station that was a ridiculous choice.
God forbid a catastrophe of this proportion will happen. The country is already suffering multiple catastrophes of flooding, fires and Arctic winter temperatures.
Fracking in and of itself isn't an issue, its what gets done with wastewater afterwards. And before anyone jumps down my throat, let me say 3 things, the USGS has said as much, I smugly sniff my own farts, and I drive an electric car.
Um yeah; guessing is a poor plan...I didn't see anything evident as to failure point ...You get plenty of warning with something that huge and enduring...Cracks, that road way would show the first signs of failure...Maybe in a hundred years after an earthquake but; No worries...
Well, I'm one of those Glasgow people. I ride bicycle, cars, trucks across that damn. Wouldnt we see like some kind of slumping over time? Shifts, elevation changes? Nadda. 80 years later.... pretty much looks the same. I'm sure the Corp and the government watch over it with lasers and satellites to make sure it's as solid as can be.
We are all living with the consequences of post modern technology. The country’s infrastructure is crumbling no mater which city, town or borough we live in. And that doesn’t even take into consideration natural earthquakes, fault lines, volcanoes or massive non manmade storms.
How do they say at 4:00 "one of the biggest reservoirs in the world. At .096 cubic Kilometers of water this is small, a pond on a global comparison chart. Fake news anyone?
Fort Peck Reservoir is 23.5km3, which puts it at 5th place for US man made lakes by volume. Or 17th place in lake volume in the US, ahead of the great salt lake which is at 21st. If you don't mind my asking, where did you find the .096 figure?
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This is a flawed, one sided case.... I would call for his research and evidence for review. Do i agree there is a danger? There is always a danger for a dam to fail. I just have a lot of questions.
Somehow, I seemed to miss the part where they mentioned where this guy got his degree in civil engineering, I think because he ain't got one, which would make his opinion that the dam is dangerous worthless.
That's why you don't build shit like this, you don't realise you can't simply build an ''immortal'' structure. It WILL fail, and i'm waiting for that to prove it to you.
They did...when they built it. There is a wall of 3/8" thick steel piling driven into the bedrock below the dam. It was buried in a hard clay core before hydraulic slurry was pumped in.
Curious why? Clearly there is a terminology issue at play, but the USGS has in fact attributed wastewater disposal through injection wells (from fracking and other oil extraction operations) to increased induced seismicity events. Granted, the distances at play would very likely at this current time, make fracking a non-issue for the dam; its still a non-zero chance that fracking could affect the dam structure in some way. Bottom line, extremely low chance, but still not a 0% chance, thus worth mentioning if you're trying to quote a vice president when making a call to action.
All i can offer in support is those last words before the reporter gave his name.. the cost of failure (meaning fix it now) will be much much much greater🙄🙄🙄🙄
The dam is in Montana, on the Missouri River. If it goes it will take out all of the dams on the Missouri River all the way to St. Louis. The death toll will be enormous, definitely higher than 9-11!
Cost maybe billion dollars for a new dam.cheap.if it goes 50billion or more in lives lost and infrastructure gone.but the Midwest back into the stoneage..
If that dam breaks it will cut a new Grand Canyon all the way to the golf. I live 60miles south of Garrison dam another earth embankment dam. We keep a close eye on what happens in Montana. Snow accumulations,spring temperatures and melt and rain run off . Have a plan and be safe every one
I see it as a 2 fold scenario. 1. The integrity of the dam structure. 2. The Missouri River watershed. Congressional investigation is probably only possibility for this issue??
A Old man who has trust issues causes absolute panic, with no Geology thesis or any evidence of Fissures opening on the dam breaker itself. With wetting of the base it will seep upwards and cause a Discontinuity in the structure to basically flatten like a pancake. Look for small cracks on the Maintenance road that would give you a inclination of collapse.
Unfortunately we are not so smart. You can an alcoholic that h will contract liver disease or, he will still keep drinking. Something with smoking and I am a smoker. We don't look at the future and focus on the present. It's never a problem, till it's a problem. Hopefully, we can do a 180 and start truly worrying about the future. This is or kids and grandkids that will pay the price. Rant over.
4 decades of his research and the dam still stands strong.
th-cam.com/video/ZI-qSAJ50ZQ/w-d-xo.html
Hasn't happened yet =/= won't happen
For now...
Everyone is going on about fake news, fear mongering, etc. My question is this: How long did the original Engineers expect this Dam to last? Everything has a life expectantcy. Should we strengthen this Dam or any of the others on the Missouri? Or should we remove them all, along with the levees? The Corps is seeing to the levees.
When the disaster occurs, an 'blue ribbon committee' will be established and well paid to determine what happened and to ensure it never happens again. Just like the last 1,000 catastrophes.
My great grandpa is still buried there to this day.
If you've ever seen a beach sand replenishment project, this is basically how the earth was placed for this dam. It was piped as a slurry, deposited, and the water ran off leaving the dirt behind. I don't think this was the preferred method but was used as a necessity. I do find it strange that after the collapse (during construction) they simply rebuilt the collapsed section, leaving the already built section standing. But I don't believe a collapse is imminent and even if it does occur, this dam has the capability of releasing a massive amount of water in a controlled release. The record discharge flow was in 2011 at 65,900cfs (previous record was 35,000cfs in 1975). It has a design maximum discharge flow of a whopping 275,000cfs. Thus, a huge amount of relief can be gained at the first sign of failure. I'm not saying there won't be flooding - but it wouldn't be a 'wall of water' type catastrophe the expert spoke of. I would be much more worried about the diversion structures at and around Old River on the Mississippi failing than this.
In fact there is a full span of 3/8" steel and hard clay at the core of this dam, long before the hydraulic fill was pumped in. The steel is driven clear into the bedrock below the dam.
Peace and Quiet and a massive Loco goes screaming thru the Joint? ? EPIC NEWS CASTING AGAIN.
Cpt Scuttle Modern locomotives like the one shown in the story are so quiet when they’re pulling on level ground or going downhill that if you were trespassing and walking downhill they’d sneak up behind and be on top of you before you’d even know it. A lot of engineers end up blowing the horn to get people off the tracks because trespassers don’t hear their train coming.
Washing away the cesspool of St Louis may not be a bad thing though.
Hey
The Lake Trout that come out of that dam are 10-20 pounds.
Sounds fishy to me...
I live near Fort Peck and from what I see it looks pretty stable the Dam "sweats" which is good ( green grass on the side of the damn indicates that) plus they have thousands upon thousands of yards of large boulders on the water side of the dam
This guy is from California. Let that sink in for a minute.
George Patton was from California. Let that sink in for a while.
JW You’re an idiot. Let that sink in for a minute.
Oroville!
I only needed to go to the comment section to find the true experts on dams and flood control, time will tell.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Is that to imply you do?
You just watched a video with people that do...they are telling you what it is
you mean all the armchair experts that people trust to know more than hydraulic professors???? imagen the fact that the usa spends trillions of $$$ on military actions, but cant keep their own backyard safe????
@@hanshoogendyk2203 The US has spent over 600 trillion more on military spending than our closest adversaries.
By, what worst timing if a volcano activty start pecking up that can give off some effect as well. good 300 miles southwest from that damn. So, anything can take a huge dam out. All it needs is a little crack from under that dam that lets the water flow. What the flow gets going their is no stopping it.
In most peoples eyes it's just another dam warning.
One was lost at Shelbyville IL
Glasgow is known for Glasgow Air Force Base that wasn't mentioned that closed in 1974 I think.
Replacing that dam will be a lot cheaper
than the cost of the disaster that is emanate
if it is not replaced . . . . .
@Roger Clemons Any reason to blame Trump. Nice way to showcase your low IQ.
Barbusie yeah but insurance won’t cover the replacement
You do know Trump basically cut corners to give federal assistance to people in Nebraska for the flooding of 2019? Just because most of the media refuses to say anything that could be remotely positive about Trump. It is all collusion with Russia still. Even if there was more evidence for Obama than Trump to be colluding with Russia.
@@williamstandish2926- LOL!
@@USMCasper Trump is doing NOTHING to update our infrastructure! In FACT.. he is Holding Up the release of money already earmarked for Infrastructure projects. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
Most of my life has been spent near Ft. Peck and the dam. Back in the 50's, during the cold war, I was a young student living 50 miles away, we were instructed what we needed to do if the dam broke as it was supposedly near the top of the list of places that Russia would strike and the damage that could be done. Glasgow Air Base was constructed and that would have given protection from the threat of another country crossing the Canadian Border approximately 60 miles away. The "expert" in this tv segment definitely is using fear to sway people's opinion. On a personal note, I knew many of the men who helped build this dam and it was the latest technology at that time. It has also been the livelihood of many, providing electricity to an otherwise barren country. Many years the water level is lowered to provide water enough to enable barges to provide transportation on the Mississippi. That is part of the story that has not been addressed as well as all the flooding that the dam has prevented over the years.
That damn is probably the safest m in the world it's in Montana when was the last time you heard anything bad happen in Montana
Dental floss bushes bloomed late because of cold spring weather...?
Dude... There's like 2 people that live in Montana...
We are to rural of a state for anybody to care. We had major floods this year. Set a record of consecutive days with sub zero temperatures (coldest February in history 30+ consecutive days below 0°). Had an open range fire that was larger than Rhode Island. Yet most of the country doesn't know.
Rural Montana, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
Montana: the manliest state, where men punch trout in the face, and chop down trees with their gargantuan dicks!
"I'm a pussy"
~ Someone who isn't from Montana.
Wondering why Kansas City wasn't mentioned. It is closer to the dam in question and just as big. St.Louis is further away, giving more time for the water to disapate
it will be worse than the Johnstown pa flood of 1889.
Fear mongering...these people have nothing better to do
Don't mess with Mother Earth and Nature. Rivers are suppose to flow naturally.
SUPPOSED, not “suppose”.
So Glasgow does have to worry who ever said the message goes up to Glasgow needs to learn their geography. And why go to the congressman? That damn wont be torn down to replace it's to expensive for the amount of money montana is given to do projects.
Dam infrastructure? Outside of the Concrete spillway whats there?
A bunch of dirt, rocks and stuff, how do you Update that, without replacing it with a steel and concrete structure?
You don't build dams out of Steel in concrete unless you're not tiny little canyon!
That dam has a steel core, driven clear into the bedrock.
Never seen a problem. If any dam broke would be bad. Everything was built long ago, and was how things were built then, not now. A great place to fish, and safety issue.
He said all them damn in 1930 have to be rebuilt but he didn't say nothing about the Hoover Dam he's probably still mad because he didn't get paid $30 a month when I was getting built and now he wants his money
If this dam fails it will do a lot of damage before the water reaches St.Louis. After flowing into the Mississippi all bets are off.
Was the Fort Peck Dam affected at all by the last big seismic event in Yellowstone back in 1959? That one was a 7.2 magnitude quake. Big in anyone's book. Consider the source of this piece. Produced by a St. Louis TV station. And they failed to say anything about the other large cities on the lower Missouri. Omaha, Kansas City and Jefferson City for example. Another case of dramatizing the most remote of possibilities.
Is the damn still holding a year later?
What is your point?
Faith Rada It’s a question, not trying to make a point.
I am from the future. I come from 2020....yes the dam still stands strong but there is a huge shortage on toilet paper so start stocking up.
3 years later...
It will be like New Orleans...... they won't do shit until it breaks THEN the Army Corp of engineers will address it.
The levees in New Orleans are run by parish officials not the Army Corps of Engineers .
Well maybe that's what the city almost washed away..... smh
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK Lots of corruption in the system in the past , probably still happening .
I guess like everywhere right
DANTE BELGIAN MALINOIS - then WE pay for the foreseen damages!
When I first saw that dam I wondered just why on Earth would they bury all that concrete and steel with dirt? I talked to the Montana govt. They said it's just dirt, no steel or concrete. When I said "really" they asked where I was from, then said go back and mind my own business before they'll take care of me.
I packed my things and left.
I take it you're from California or some other place or idiots are raised in Mass! You realize all the dams on the Missouri River and most of the dams in the United States are made of dirt! The only dams that are made of concrete are generally in canyons that are quite small!
A lot of dams in the US are dirt dams.
GottaWannaDance is
Did they kill you?
@@victoreous626 No, but they did hurt my feelz.
How would you replace a dam of this size that is already holding back water? And although it will be expensive if it fails I couldn't imagine the replacement cost in todays dollars to replace it, we are also living in a time of lost technology and lack of skilled labor so although not impossible it woud be a learning experience all over again.
Extend the wall" thicker by building onto the back side with much better fill would be my guess.
@@cavelvlan25 I see your point however if one was to use concrete/dirt etc it would have to be "key wayed" into the earth on the bottom and sides which would be a little sketchy to remove that much dirt from the existing dam without it collapsing. They are watching the dam with state of the art tech in fact no one is allowed to even walk across the dam front heavy security.
@@bodhixxx1 I know currently the north is recieving unprecedented amounts rainfall
The guy most likely knows what he is talking about. If you start checking how many dam failures there have been it gets scary. Anouther thing to worry about is the age of the dam. Dams are built for a certain useful life. Usually 80 to 100 years. At that point it was assumed that the dam would be replaced. So as the dam gets past this expected life expectancy the chances of a dam failure increased each year. Kind of like the camel with the extra heavy load. Yes you can put more straw on it's back but soon one more straw will brake it's back. This guy, judging from other similar dams, appears to think this dam is only a few straws from breaking.
This guy's fear mongering lmao.
They should be appealing to the government to reinforce the dam
It's been standing for 80 years... I have a hard time listening to anyone involved in California's miserable water management.
If our engineers today re-built the dam; it would fai 6 months to 2 years -- nothing built today has any pride or longivity.
Whose idea was that
Makes me glad I live in Idaho
WHAT valleys would “fill up” with WHAT?
That's a bit scary.... to say the least. I image nothing's being done.
Quality American engineering huh ?
Shut the fuck up asshole..... America bounced a ball off of the surface of Mars.... spit out a mars rover and explored the surface for months beyond expectations. You must be European.
@@danielbarton1161 Atleast Europe knows how to build dams.. *cough* the Netherlands
I don’t see no problems with that dam.
So I wonder how many people bothered to contact their congressman after watching this?
Because, people need to. If no one bothers contacting powerful people in office, then they have no cause for complaint if the dam bursts and they did nothing about it.
The message is clear. Contact your congressman. It doesn't matter whether he or she is Dem or Rep, you just need to contact your representative. Otherwise, why do we vote them in office?
Who was the President in 2011 when the Army Corpse of Engineers, a Federal agency, requested funds to correct the dam problems?
"Glasgow Montana is known for 2 things: Peace, and Quiet"
> B Roll of a train blasting its horn through town.
Lol who runs this station that was a ridiculous choice.
God forbid a catastrophe of this proportion will happen. The country is already suffering multiple catastrophes of flooding, fires and Arctic winter temperatures.
Dams have a life expectancy of 50 years. Half the dams and bridges need work according to corp of engineers. Finance?
@@jaquigreenlees trumps already stolen some of the infrastructure money for his wall. It'll happen again.
@@markelliot1379 TDS has no place here, you lying juvy.
@@soakupthesunman Trump toady, do you kick his poison to get a buzz or just give his mushroom knob a big lick
@@markelliot1379 What wall?
Maybe Biden could use some of the 4 trillion he just gave away to his corporate cronies for this dam, eh?
Finally got to the story , oil fracking . Bad oil .
@Roger Clemons 2 hours at 60 mph or at 30 mph ?
Fracking in and of itself isn't an issue, its what gets done with wastewater afterwards. And before anyone jumps down my throat, let me say 3 things, the USGS has said as much, I smugly sniff my own farts, and I drive an electric car.
Um yeah; guessing is a poor plan...I didn't see anything evident as to failure point ...You get plenty of warning with something that huge and enduring...Cracks, that road way would show the first signs of failure...Maybe in a hundred years after an earthquake but; No worries...
Well, I'm one of those Glasgow people. I ride bicycle, cars, trucks across that damn. Wouldnt we see like some kind of slumping over time? Shifts, elevation changes? Nadda. 80 years later.... pretty much looks the same. I'm sure the Corp and the government watch over it with lasers and satellites to make sure it's as solid as can be.
Since when is it a good idea to quote Dick Cheney?
We are all living with the consequences of post modern technology. The country’s infrastructure is crumbling no mater which city, town or borough we live in. And that doesn’t even take into consideration natural earthquakes, fault lines, volcanoes or massive non manmade storms.
He lost me when he went to the DickCheney quote.
How deep is the water at the dam face?
About 208'.
How do they say at 4:00 "one of the biggest reservoirs in the world. At .096 cubic Kilometers of water this is small, a pond on a global comparison chart. Fake news anyone?
Fort Peck Reservoir is 23.5km3, which puts it at 5th place for US man made lakes by volume. Or 17th place in lake volume in the US, ahead of the great salt lake which is at 21st. If you don't mind my asking, where did you find the .096 figure?
Either you have the money to build it right
Or take it down it's that easy
What happened to all infrastructure monies. Huh huh
What money?
Some infrastructure money was allocated quite a while back...BUT ..Trump has REFUSED to RELEASE it... and THAT is a FACT.
@@faithrada , he wants the wall. That will hold the water won't it?
I call BS. Politicians, Priest, and press feed off the fear of the people
fracking doesn't cause earthquakes
Sounds like this guy just wants franking stopped and is using this dam as an excuse
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This is a flawed, one sided case.... I would call for his research and evidence for review. Do i agree there is a danger? There is always a danger for a dam to fail. I just have a lot of questions.
@Pamela Bergner lmao
Fort Peck Dam is in Fort Peck, Montana... Wonder if this pending issue has anything to do with all of the Fema Coffin Liners...
I don't think the dead really give a hoot whether a coffin is lined or not.
Somehow, I seemed to miss the part where they mentioned where this guy got his degree in civil engineering, I think because he ain't got one, which would make his opinion that the dam is dangerous worthless.
Why would you assume that?
It could fail if a huge meteor or comet landed on it.
That's why you don't build shit like this, you don't realise you can't simply build an ''immortal'' structure. It WILL fail, and i'm waiting for that to prove it to you.
Drive some rows of sheet pilings and call it good.
They did...when they built it. There is a wall of 3/8" thick steel piling driven into the bedrock below the dam. It was buried in a hard clay core before hydraulic slurry was pumped in.
I was buying into it until he mentioned fracking.
Curious why? Clearly there is a terminology issue at play, but the USGS has in fact attributed wastewater disposal through injection wells (from fracking and other oil extraction operations) to increased induced seismicity events.
Granted, the distances at play would very likely at this current time, make fracking a non-issue for the dam; its still a non-zero chance that fracking could affect the dam structure in some way.
Bottom line, extremely low chance, but still not a 0% chance, thus worth mentioning if you're trying to quote a vice president when making a call to action.
Oh..Hes just pro fracking..He doesnt know the reasons why.
Bullshit says I , there hasn’t been a Seismic event since 59’ near Yellowstone Park. And that event was 400 mi. Away.
Maybe they need to see the Michigan dam that just happened......looks like it was built the same way
Erik Strohl no.
Remove all the damn dams!
They haven't read old letters !!!
Comparing a dam breakage to 911?...what a fool!!
All depends on what aspect one is comparing. If it is Lives Lost... they are correct
The damage will be in billions billions dollars will take 50 years to repair all of the damage.
All i can offer in support is those last words before the reporter gave his name.. the cost of failure (meaning fix it now) will be much much much greater🙄🙄🙄🙄
I'm sure he meant to say, "Fly by shooting."
I'm Sorry - is this dam IN California?
The dam is in Montana, on the Missouri River. If it goes it will take out all of the dams on the Missouri River all the way to St. Louis. The death toll will be enormous, definitely higher than 9-11!
@@sandrabaker5930 yeah, Cali experts were quiet about Oroville. They should shut up.
@@soakupthesunman I am assuming you are being facetious here.
If they can’t afford a new dam than drain it and take it down have none
Why build up all that water if you can’t afford to safely
It would be a dam shame if it failed.
Still standing today
Pump concrete grout all along the dam. ??
Playdoh. It's probably cheaper and quicker.
My friend at work has gout.
Cost maybe billion dollars for a new dam.cheap.if it goes 50billion or more in lives lost and infrastructure gone.but the Midwest back into the stoneage..
If that dam breaks it will cut a new Grand Canyon all the way to the golf. I live 60miles south of Garrison dam another earth embankment dam. We keep a close eye on what happens in Montana. Snow accumulations,spring temperatures and melt and rain run off . Have a plan and be safe every one
Get smart
Most of st Louis will be under 20ft of water.💀😵
9-11 = false-flag op.
BE AFRAID!! BE VERY AFRAID!!
I see it as a 2 fold scenario. 1. The integrity of the dam structure. 2. The Missouri River watershed. Congressional investigation is probably only possibility for this issue??
Damn!
He was wrong should have studied at spencer dam cause that shit failed
hell..i live on a hill
A Old man who has trust issues causes absolute panic, with no Geology thesis or any evidence of Fissures opening on the dam breaker itself.
With wetting of the base it will seep upwards and cause a Discontinuity in the structure to basically flatten like a pancake.
Look for small cracks on the Maintenance road that would give you a inclination of collapse.
You won't get cracking , you'll see seepage and hydraulic piping towards the base of the levee .
I don't care how long he's been studying it, has he got any evidence?
Everything lasts forever.
Didn't see any...
News flash.... all dams eventually fail. Some just much sooner than expected.
@@freddyflintstoned913 BRUUUHAAAHAAA ; )
That dam is fine.....he never told you about the dam reinforcement now did he....
No but he also didn't mention earthquakes! Did you think of that?
No but he also didn't mention asteroids! Did you think of that?
Like a drive bye shooting lol
Unfortunately we are not so smart. You can an alcoholic that h will contract liver disease or, he will still keep drinking. Something with smoking and I am a smoker. We don't look at the future and focus on the present. It's never a problem, till it's a problem. Hopefully, we can do a 180 and start truly worrying about the future. This is or kids and grandkids that will pay the price. Rant over.
God dam
Every disaster movie starts with an ignored scientist warning of danger.
The working Dude lmaooooooooo yea I remember that movie.
Yeah!!! Let's keep throwing BILLIONS at those kosher tribe wars instead of ourselves eh… Ü
Why not just eliminate the dam?
Where can i find some dam bait.
Meanwhile... Nobody expecting judgment of God who will destroy heaven and Earth and make it new again to purge evil from it.
Destroy heaven?