What about kvm support? Does the new Raspbian OS 64 Bit support kvm out of the box without problem? Virtualization is one great use for 8 gigs of ram on an ARM CPU.
Anonymous you got to look at the use cases. A lot of what the pies are used for would benefit from having extra cores. Even if they are slow cores having more of them will take some of the load off
To be fair when the Pi4 came out it was lagging behind the Rockpies by at least 2 years in terms of CPU, RAM and USB3. It's easier to catch up quickly releatively if you are behind by a lot.
@@mrbisshie Definitely go, especially if you love tech. Hour train ride isn't that bad. Shop online first and then go pick it up at the store for best prices and convenience.
I reall don't get the "this is not the point of the pi"... when the pi came out it costed around 35 and it had 256 ram. Now with that money you can get 2 gb of ram with a quadcore. Plus, IF YOU FANCY, you can get up to 8GB of ram. PLUS! if you're looking for something really basic and efficient there's the zero. So the product range is at the same price when it come out, its more powerful, there are more options plus they added another model for very basic projects. I really really really don't see what's the problem (neither the people that are buying these like hot cakes)
It's simple actually. They're afraid that the higher end hardware will sell well and the lower cost options will disappear. Whether it will or not is a separate discussion but the question of "why" people are concerned....well they see it happen time and time again so I think it's pretty simple to understand.
There will always be a market for the cheaper ones, as well as a market for the better performing ones. I'm actually waiting for the better drivers for pi4 before I buy one, because while it is the better hardware, my pi3b is still enough for what it does , at least until the pi 4 has good graphics drivers, so we can see what performance boosts we'll get on n64, ps1, Saturn, Dreamcast, and x86... That's the big thing, if I'm not using it as a video player or an emulation machine, it's just a mid-range gaming / general purpose computer when I don't want to use my high end computer or smartphone.
I just don't see the point of a 8GB version. That is just far too much RAM for a Pi 4. Before you are even close to filling up the 4GB's RAM, something else will be far more overloaded, probably the CPU is going to bottleneck really hard far before the RAM does. I mean, it's cool that you can create a 4GB RAM disk and still have 4GB RAM left, sure. But what are you going to do with that? There is no scenario where the CPU now wouldn't be one huge bottle neck.
the only point of this is ramdisking to make up for the lack of native m.2 or sata, but at that point i would rather buy something like a jetson nano or n2
Ultimately, there comes a time in everyone's life when they groan and think, "ffs why didn't i buy more ram". No such thing as too much ram. Worth it every time.
Still truly blows me away that these little SBC Raspberry Pi's ABSOLUTELY SMOKE the giant ass tower computers we used doing the same things, back in the mid-late 90's to early 2000's... And it's the size of a freaking Credit Card!!!!!!!!!!
My dad worked on some of the very first high capacity drum drives used in early "super computers", 80 KB and the size of washing machine, 30 KB more than IBM's model. Shortly before he died I showed him a 1.5TB HGST 2.5 inch drive. It was not US made, and he didn't think it was very durable. Pi1 with 256MB card roughly equal to a 4 acre DARPA computing center at the beginning of the Vietnam War. By the moon landing more powerful and less than an acre.
Hey man, Chrome tabs with different websites on them is exactly the type of real world use case scenario people want to see. Even 2 or 3 windows with 10 - 15+ tabs on each. File explorer (multiple windows) with network file transfer etc.
As a big fan of the Raspberry Pi series, I could not resist buying a Pi 4 (8GB model) even though I have been using the 4GB model since its release. Although I agree that there really is not much different about this new model (except with more memory overhead for some programs), I did notice a big difference between my 4GB and 8GB models in overclocking. It seems that my 8GB model is able to overclock much higher than my 4GB model! My old 4GB model (with ICE cooler) was able to manage up to 2300Mhz on the CPU and 750Mhz on the GPU (force turbo set to 1 and overvolt set to 9). It was stable in emulation, desktop usage, and sysbench, but I saw immediate crashes when running the stress-ng benchmark. To my surprise, when I loaded the same config settings to my 8GB model (also equipped with ICE cooler) it was fully stable at 2.3Ghz in stress-ng with temps never rising above 50 deg C. With the enthusiast in me being greedy, I decided to put my shiny new Pi 4 on the line for science, and I pushed it up to 2.4Ghz and was shocked to see it still fully stable in stress testing with no thermal or power throttling at all. It may be just me winning the silicon lottery with this unit, but I suspect firmware updates since release and maybe some of the power managements circuitry changes made to the 8GB may have improved power efficiency enough to allow for higher overclocks compared to the initial release models. I'm curious to see if anyone else has had similar experiences?
4 gb is the sweet spot for that processor's performance, there aren't very many ram intensive things you'd wanna compute on a Pi. Unless it's the only computer you use of course, then 8gb might sound nice, but you'll get fed up with the processor before having any issues with memory.
With a slow flash device as a drive you use the memory to buffer writes and cache reads, assuming you use a properly built kernel, ext4, and proper settings. Try Fedora Linux aarch64.
I don't necessarily get the 8gb. But the 4gb is amazing for what I use it for. I use the Pi's for tuning cars. Instead of a laptop I have them and touchscreens installed in racecars running tuning software and it's insane how good it works. The pi4 works better and is actually faster at on the fly tuning than my cheap laptop. I'm assuming it's because if the type of math the CPU needs to do. But a race dash can cost $1000-$2000. A pi, touchscreens some cleaver install and some 3d prints can reduce this to less than $200 and it works better!!!! But the 8gb? A bit useless IMO for such a low powered CPU.
This is a good step in a direction for the pi to start taking over for your daily driver. With the Memory not being one of the limiting factors, devs can start to make more of their os builds. This version of Pi OS looks very beautiful as well. People will love making there own mac version on the pi and showing off to there friends with mac books. Can not wait to see what comes in the future from the Pi people. I will keep watching your channel for the future of this. Thanks for all your good work. I depend on your videos to keep me up to date. I am headed for your Patreon page now.
this is like a normal phone even slower than todays phones, todays 1000$ phones are as fast as slow laptops today and fast pcs in the past(all other than iphones which are trash)
I built my entire lab on a Dell pavilion dv7 that came with Vista. The 4gb outclasses it on literally everything including I/O, but I BUILT A FREAKING ROBOTICS LAB ON A $1000 LAPTOP FROM 2012 FOR UNDER $2000 AND HAVE BOTH AN FDM AND 4K RESIN PRINTER. never say never my guy.
@@TGJMTheGamingJMaster thanks for the input fanboy but i think most android phones (quadcom/mediatek) would still destroy those chips in that price range
Thanks for the mindfulness of answering the question early on of whether 8GB will make a difference to emulation or not. Refreshing as a lot of content creators on youtube seem to be blind to what their audience will want (leaving people watching whole videos for the answer to one question). Love yer stuff, man, keep going.
The Blender "blenchmark" is what takes all the RAM. A normal benchmark isn't so bad, but the blenchmark...that's a killer. th-cam.com/video/TpXBIYvYtBk/w-d-xo.html
Micro Centre staff: “ I sent ETA Prime a demo Raspberry Pi 4 8GB model after the TH-cam video is out we should see lots of sales!!! Over at Micro centre: A Week goes by and everyone's buying 2GB models I wondering why?
Personally I feel it definitely is worth getting the 8gb model over the 2 or 4 GB versions especially for emulation. I seem to recall the RPI 3b+ was not fully supported at the start when it came to utilization of the Ram. I would be more thinking that within the next 3 months there will be a huge update on the emulation scene and it will be fully supported utilizing most if not all the Ram.!!
hmm, I have a raspberry pi 4 4gb model, it isn't slow,(I'm watching eta prime on this) and it has enough ram, so, if you have raspberry pi, pass and buy next raspberry pi.
if you are going to advertise for Micro Center you should really mention that they are only in the states and only ship within the states. people need to remember that youtube is international and not everyone lives in the US.
Nah. I watch a bunch of vids from people in Europe and in Asia and realize they have different stores than in the US. I don't need someone to tell me that.
Got my 4gb RP4 from Microcenter for an extra $5 off MSRP. Got the full setup for the board for only an extra $20 more; power supply, heatsinks, fan, and full aluminum case!! It's solid AF, cools like a beast. So, full setup minus microSD card, I had an extra card. First time going to Microcenter, and I can confirm, it's nerd nirvana!! Full setup for only $70!! YEZZUH!!
In terms of processing, the processor on this thing is equivalent to an Intel processor from the mid-2000s. Hence it can run PSP and DS. There are experiments going on with the PS2 but they're way, way off at the moment.
If only the Gizmosphere Gizmo 2 had been available with a quad core CPU and a minimum of 2GB (as they had originally stated it would include) of RAM (both of which I bought with them [I have 3 Gizmo 2's. 1 is my primary daily driver, the other my 3D print controller and the 3rd my car video camera system] and I would have my near ultimate SBC. In the meantime I've run my standard 2 core, 1GB DDR3 RAM Gizmo 2, Raspberry Pi B+, Raspberry Pi 2 B and Asus Tinkerboard original for much of my needs. But remote control and visibility of the many 3D printers could make such an 8GB RAM board sensible.
If they could shrink down a 10900K and 2080Ti to the size of a Pi and sell it for $50, that would be even better! /s The Pi 4 is really great in theory, but the slow progress on its video encode/decode and other GPU-driver development is what really hurts it from excelling.
Fact if that there is a lot of optimization that are going to be done on 64bit version in the coming months. We might also see better GPU drivers for this. So, I beleive that Ram consumption should get optimised. On a more practical note. I would like to see how many Chrome tabs I can open on 4GB vs 8GB version. I won't include rendering or converting app in this mix as they are designed to use max cpu already and thus would defeat the purpose of actual usage senario. And yes I do have more then 100 tabs on Firefox in my desktop. And a lot of people usually have 30+ tabs in there daily drivers.. So, its not far fetched.
Why y'all not close tabs, like every time I wanna exit out of the browser I just close the tab. "Yes I need this tab leading to a photo of Luigi doing a T pose from 2018. And I'm going to keep it here for the rest of time"
Even though it should all be the same, it would be pleasing to see that it is the case, there might be subtle differences, that might make it a better pi over the others of its type.
@@josephtremblant2173 I think it will eh a couple more years before a RPi5 comes out. By that time, there definitely will be a faster processor. And m.2 will probably be old enough to be cost effective to be put on it. The issue will be more about where to put it on the board.
TH-cam violation I myself wish raspberry would Beginn buying apples A13 , A12X or A12Z (A12Z or A12X wich iPad Pros have) CPUs with Its GPUs and put them in raspberry pi Pro 4s With at least 8GB Ram (customizable or later upgradeable with Two DDR4 Sodimm slots up to 64GB at 3000 MHZ) A 2.5 Inch Drive slot up to Sata III 6GBPS (comes with nothing or 2TB SSHD at 7200RPM and 16GB Flash Booster for HDD) A NVME SSD Drive Slot up to PCIE Gen 4 (Comes with 120GB pre installed , customizable up to 4TB, Operating system is pre installed on NVME SSD , is choosable wether Raspbian 64 Bit , Windows 8.1/10 ) 64 Bit (pro or home edition ) or Linux) A SD card reader slot up to 2TB at 300MB/S Two USB 3.1 10 GBPS Two USB-C one for power and one for data transfer 10GBPS Two Thunderbolt 3 for external gpu and fast data transfer 40GBPS DVI , HDMI and VGA Up to 5K at 60 HZ or two 4K at 60HZ , or three 2K at 120HZ or four 1080P at 144HZ Price : around 500-700€ Size : Around 4 Raspberry pi 4s or 6 Raspberry Pi 4s The Raspberry 4 pro case (seperately available) CPU/GPU cooler (heatsink and Fan ) ca. 40-80MM Fan , two ca. 40-80MM Fans for the rest are included in it.
I love Microcenter. I’ve been to the one in the town that brought us the Commodore Amiga. I just wish we could get those stores in Florida. From the first pi to the pi 4 I always used active cooling.
1. install and configure ZRAM SWAP 2. mount /tmp on tmpfs 3. add commit=10 (or higher) to the mount options for the root partition to reduce writes back to the flash to once every 10 seconds instead of the default 5 seconds, so more repetitive disk activity occurs in ram. Avoid longer commit if your power source is unstable or intermittent, but if you use battery backed power and have lots of ram performance is significantly improved on repetitive r/w activity like gaming or database. 4. Make sure you are on an OS with 5.7.0-1 or higher kernel. 5. not a memory issue but for better performance use a U3 rated card with R/W of 100/60 mb/s or better. usually larger cards are faster.
As always, thanks a lot for your video. I guess the 8Go of RAM are not specifically for end user in the GUI. Some interesting tests should be with Grafana, Postgresql, a website app and some code running in the background, multiplicating the request from the clients across the web. It should be interesting to see the load and how the Rasp is able to manage it.
You are one of the first to share this..Thanks.. I was wondering if it will draw higher current also while using more RAM.. I Prepared a setup .. the increase of current was really less.. New RAM is specified at higher clock frequency.. probably a better choice for over clocking ?
I have had two raspberry pi 4 die, with hdmi issues, I managed to send one back, it would have Hurt more at this price, this is an old pi, even though it's much more powerful than the pi3, it only does tasks slightly better, if you need a pi 4, the 2gb model is a bargain, but a new pi or revised pi should be round the corner some time soon, I will be happy to pick up that in its 8 GB variation, hopefully it will be with working GPU drivers or even a improved GPU.
With 8GB of ram it could be possible to load the os complete in the ram and then having a super fast system isn't it? No need for blocking one usb port with an ssd.
Whilst I like the update to the Pi memory, I wish that they would sort out better drivers for the GPU . I bought a Pi4 on release, but for emulation and other graphic intensive operations it's stifled by the lack of GPU drivers, which is a shame.
I'm pretty hyped for it. I'm currently using an old Optiplex as a Nextcloud/Minecraft/Jellyfin/OMV Server and it's pretty much maxed out using all 8GBs of RAM. I had a few other virtual machines on it but it couldn't keep up. I even moved a DNS server over to my Pi3. With this I could move quite a few things over to relieve the old PC or even add new services. I was so close to buying a Pi4 before this new model got released. With the right use cases this could be quite powerful.
Pi 4's with 4gb+ RAM now are legitimate low end desktop substitutes! Not sure how the cost for performance is compared to low end used computers though...but nice to have this option.
If you have the 4gb it’s not a big deal to upgrade , the upgrade will be good if they first upgrade the cpu and add 3D acceleration . Even the 2gb is more than enough for 95% of users of the pi. Next upgrade the cpu gpu and add nvme or sata III connector
I wont be upgrading, my 4gb is never starved for ram. I think the only use for 8gb model is in a server cluster. Currently, with drivers lacking hardware acceleration for video playback, I think there are some better devices to tinker with for same price as a pi. With hardware accelerated video, and android/ ubuntu/ retropie support.
would you care listing the other options? I'm looking for a cheap device for web browsing/media consumption/easy emulation stuff/file management on windows10 or linux. 4k60 shouldn't be too hard by 2020, even on low end devices.
This was an informative guide, would want to see a starter kit guide on accesories you can get to manage heat & get you up & ready to have in your go-bag while you move around as a tech professional.
@@aperson9375Im running a pi4 as a nas as well. Can you explain why the 8gb is better for a nas application, and what modifications do you need to make to utilize the extra 4gb effectively. (Assuming you are also running the 8gb model)
@@wahabata Haven't bought the 8gb model yet but the nas server loves large ram, provides quick response and also very efficient to process simultaneous request. You don't need to do any changes raspbian os 64 bit is coming and decent nas server documentation is available.. you just have to google it.
The max RAM a 32-bit OS can use is 4GB so no matter what it wouldn't have used more than that. Try testing on the 64 bit version of Raspberry Pi OS and repeat your testing methodology
Not true. The maximum address space for any one task is 4GB, but the OS can use 8GB spread across 4GB tasks. Linux makes better use of that facility than Windows. Don't be misled into thinking Microsoft's limitations are driven by the hardware. For those of my generation who remember Win 3.1: This is a bit like the way that 16 bit addresses Max out at 64k, but the 16 bit versions of DOS and windows could cope with a total of 1MB. (Though the exact way that is achieved is very different)
Probably as Im guessing the layout would have to change for 2 ram chips. Means also many aftermarket direct heatsink cases wouldn't fit as well or at all.
I brought up a similar point on the Raspberry Pi reddit page. I feel like the original goal of the board is getting a bit lost. Even if you're thinking of getting the pi as a cheap desktop machine, you could get way more bang for your buck from a small second hand tower on eBay, for just a little bit more money. Not only that, but you could get a second hand pc with a processor that doesn't tie you down to ARM. As good as box 86 is, there's a lot of applications it can't run which would be very beneficial. The main thing on the new model is, while the RAM has increased, the power from the CPU hasn't.
@@UnlimitedRicePudding_ guess what: they offerred just what customers had been askinf for and sales figures had shown them too the more ram the better the sales figures What had the by far longest delivery time? the 4 gb version due to high demand not low production And the 1 GB version were always in stock ... You can buy whatever you want and of cause they did not loose their focus cause that is always what customers want cause otherwise a foundation will dy pretty soon. The poor child from africa can still get a zero for cheap and more powerfull and pi 3 that is cheaper than a pi 4 with 1 GB and less power hungry. Next step is 64 bit and then they will be working on a more powerfull zero and m 0.2 sata support throughout the whole line I guess. From there on they might go for exchangeable RAM and maybe a different graphic, a dedicated one as option if they find space to place
Techman application support. That simple. I personally don’t like windows but I’d appreciate it in a computer due to the fact that a hell of a lot of applications are windows only. Not to mention that the ARM architecture makes matters even worse as many programs don’t even support it and are closed source, so you won’t even be able to compile them yourself.
If I open Chrome with a few Google sites open (specifically gmail google docs and youtube), together with VS Code and another app, I am pushing the RAM and cache on my 4GB Raspi 4, and take a performance hit. I think that the 8GB model will work better for me, but I'll have to wait. I've only had my 4B model a couple months.
I personally disagree with your recommendation of the 8GB version for new pi owners. As you said in your video, 99% of people won't use it... so why spend the extra money?
Well, maybe someone cares about the redesigned power delivery to have more power for the external devices... Also we have seen this on pcs already: 64bit version of the programs takes more RAM, 2gb will struggle soon. Furthermore when overclocked the 4gb might become the bottleneck of the desktop experience. My question is: what do you do to max out ram in your server? I run many things on my rpi2 and is at only 300-400mb of ram usage
Better overclocker, can handle higher power. 4GB model may reboot with all 4 vcore load. The 8GB pi has 50% higher PMIC frequency, thus delivering more amperage. The added memory can be used for some server, Minecraft etc.
No one can be a geek if not at maximum RAM allowed with actual technology. Then you learn with time the real benefice of having a big one: Self satisfaction and WOW effect when you show it .
I was looking at doing a project with a Pi, the harware list suggested a Pi2, so of course I got the Pi4 8G model for it... When the project is done and I tear it down, I still have a Pi that will be enough for the future (atleast a couple of years)
Thank you for answering my thought. When you said and I quote, "The 8GB version is great for NAS or home server." I was planning on using it for that purpose. And maybe run minecraft server
Super jelly about Microcentre,We have nothing like this in the UK where you can actually go in see the vast amount of choice and see it in person,We only have currys and they hardly have anything,even when they do its never in stock :D
"99% of people won't need the 8GB model.."
Who can sleep at night knowing there's a model available with more RAM, though?
Dude facts....Its driving me crazy
I can sleep at night knowing an extra $40 is in my wallet.
too bad i have it
@@WarpOverload nice 👌 what are your thoughts on it performance wise?
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BreakingPintMedia Me trying to sleep when I'm pricing out a new build 🥱 😴 🤔 🤤 😪 😵 🥴 🤯 😳
0:00 Intro
0:45 Microcenter
1:12 Unboxing
1:42 Random Access Memory identification *edited, thx!
2:11 Board connectors
2:27 Specs
3:12 Board comparison w/ 4GB model
4:13 Raspberry Pi OS
5:25 GIMP
6:22 OpenShot
7:28 OpenShot + Chromium
9:10 + Blender (7 GB)
10:09 Conclusion
Cheers bro
Thank you!
@@prla5400 Random access memory memory
thanks!
What about kvm support? Does the new Raspbian OS 64 Bit support kvm out of the box without problem? Virtualization is one great use for 8 gigs of ram on an ARM CPU.
The 8GB model would be more appealing if the cpu was upgraded as well. A 6 core ARM processor with 8GB of ram for $75 would be great
I don't think just throwing more cores at the pi would make much of an impact. Even overclocked at 2Ghz, it's still pretty slow.
@@tzokke linux likes cores as its a desktop os too, those are phone cores if you cant get stronger and bigger cores just get more cores
Anonymous you got to look at the use cases. A lot of what the pies are used for would benefit from having extra cores. Even if they are slow cores having more of them will take some of the load off
4 cores is OK. The problem is we're running 28nm, like 4-5 nodes behind current cutting edge.
@@BitmapFrogs 28nm is cheap and uses low power as new cores exist only in high performance type
It's amazing how much the pi's have progressed in such a short time.
Right? I have the 4gb. I just use it as a coding PC. The processor is going to be a bottleneck for the 8gb RAM. I wonder if better cpu's are possible.
To be fair when the Pi4 came out it was lagging behind the Rockpies by at least 2 years in terms of CPU, RAM and USB3.
It's easier to catch up quickly releatively if you are behind by a lot.
POWER!!!!
I'm still messing around with a Pi Zero.
@@todddelozier8172 maybe on the b+ model ?
"If you're not familiar with MicroCenter"
Oh, I know they exist. They just don't exist around here.
I moved to a place where there aren't any and I really, REALLY miss my old MicroCenter.
There is one on the border of my city, which I can go to if I took an hour long train ride, lol. I've been tempted to go there a few times...
Sorry to hear that :(
@@mrbisshie Definitely go, especially if you love tech. Hour train ride isn't that bad. Shop online first and then go pick it up at the store for best prices and convenience.
They have a really good social media team and will respond to store opening suggestions. Very good company.
I reall don't get the "this is not the point of the pi"... when the pi came out it costed around 35 and it had 256 ram. Now with that money you can get 2 gb of ram with a quadcore. Plus, IF YOU FANCY, you can get up to 8GB of ram.
PLUS! if you're looking for something really basic and efficient there's the zero.
So the product range is at the same price when it come out, its more powerful, there are more options plus they added another model for very basic projects.
I really really really don't see what's the problem (neither the people that are buying these like hot cakes)
It's simple actually. They're afraid that the higher end hardware will sell well and the lower cost options will disappear. Whether it will or not is a separate discussion but the question of "why" people are concerned....well they see it happen time and time again so I think it's pretty simple to understand.
i like hot cakes though lol
There will always be a market for the cheaper ones, as well as a market for the better performing ones. I'm actually waiting for the better drivers for pi4 before I buy one, because while it is the better hardware, my pi3b is still enough for what it does , at least until the pi 4 has good graphics drivers, so we can see what performance boosts we'll get on n64, ps1, Saturn, Dreamcast, and x86...
That's the big thing, if I'm not using it as a video player or an emulation machine, it's just a mid-range gaming / general purpose computer when I don't want to use my high end computer or smartphone.
I just don't see the point of a 8GB version. That is just far too much RAM for a Pi 4. Before you are even close to filling up the 4GB's RAM, something else will be far more overloaded, probably the CPU is going to bottleneck really hard far before the RAM does. I mean, it's cool that you can create a 4GB RAM disk and still have 4GB RAM left, sure. But what are you going to do with that? There is no scenario where the CPU now wouldn't be one huge bottle neck.
the only point of this is ramdisking to make up for the lack of native m.2 or sata, but at that point i would rather buy something like a jetson nano or n2
"I could open up 50 chrome tabs, but not a lot of people are gonna be doing that"
Oh, you sweet summer child.
> In reality, not a lot of people are going to be doing that
**stares at my 40+ open Chrome tabs**
* me writing this comment in 464th tab in Firefox and closed over 700 tabs some time ago *: don't understand what are you talking about
*looks at 1 open Chromium tab on a Raspberry Pi 3* oh I, uh, apparently I'm all tapped out.
...watching on my 2011 custom built desktop using Firefox with 16 GB of RAM...
Feel you. The fact I can crash a gaming laptop with just chrome.
The people making these videos don't understand how your average user actually uses their systems.
Also You need far more memory than you are using.
Ultimately, there comes a time in everyone's life when they groan and think, "ffs why didn't i buy more ram". No such thing as too much ram. Worth it every time.
why buy it when you can just download more
I built an Athlon FX (bulldozer) linux machine with 32gb of ram thinking i would run a lot more VMs than i do. Usually 20+gb of it is just buffers.
More Ram is always a future proofing thing.
Especially when it can't be upgraded down the line
You never upgrade your CPU when a more powerful one comes out then?
I was just about to order a pi 4 4g and then this 8gig version hit. Glad I waited it out lol
I got 2 4gb versions. I think I'll pass on this one.
glue 'em together
I couldn't resist when got an email at 3am eastern time announcing the 8Gb version a week ago.
Make a supercomputer using those pis
U good m8. 2x4gb is faster than 1x8gb.
Still truly blows me away that these little SBC Raspberry Pi's ABSOLUTELY SMOKE the giant ass tower computers we used doing the same things, back in the mid-late 90's to early 2000's... And it's the size of a freaking Credit Card!!!!!!!!!!
My dad worked on some of the very first high capacity drum drives used in early "super computers", 80 KB and the size of washing machine, 30 KB more than IBM's model. Shortly before he died I showed him a 1.5TB HGST 2.5 inch drive. It was not US made, and he didn't think it was very durable.
Pi1 with 256MB card roughly equal to a 4 acre DARPA computing center at the beginning of the Vietnam War. By the moon landing more powerful and less than an acre.
My first pc has a 256mb ram stick in it. And I was already kinda late to the party.
Hey man, Chrome tabs with different websites on them is exactly the type of real world use case scenario people want to see.
Even 2 or 3 windows with 10 - 15+ tabs on each. File explorer (multiple windows) with network file transfer etc.
Finally a pi for me who video edits while powersurfing the web image editing and rendering full scenes in blender
As a big fan of the Raspberry Pi series, I could not resist buying a Pi 4 (8GB model) even though I have been using the 4GB model since its release. Although I agree that there really is not much different about this new model (except with more memory overhead for some programs), I did notice a big difference between my 4GB and 8GB models in overclocking.
It seems that my 8GB model is able to overclock much higher than my 4GB model! My old 4GB model (with ICE cooler) was able to manage up to 2300Mhz on the CPU and 750Mhz on the GPU (force turbo set to 1 and overvolt set to 9). It was stable in emulation, desktop usage, and sysbench, but I saw immediate crashes when running the stress-ng benchmark. To my surprise, when I loaded the same config settings to my 8GB model (also equipped with ICE cooler) it was fully stable at 2.3Ghz in stress-ng with temps never rising above 50 deg C. With the enthusiast in me being greedy, I decided to put my shiny new Pi 4 on the line for science, and I pushed it up to 2.4Ghz and was shocked to see it still fully stable in stress testing with no thermal or power throttling at all.
It may be just me winning the silicon lottery with this unit, but I suspect firmware updates since release and maybe some of the power managements circuitry changes made to the 8GB may have improved power efficiency enough to allow for higher overclocks compared to the initial release models. I'm curious to see if anyone else has had similar experiences?
4 gb is the sweet spot for that processor's performance, there aren't very many ram intensive things you'd wanna compute on a Pi. Unless it's the only computer you use of course, then 8gb might sound nice, but you'll get fed up with the processor before having any issues with memory.
With a slow flash device as a drive you use the memory to buffer writes and cache reads, assuming you use a properly built kernel, ext4, and proper settings. Try Fedora Linux aarch64.
I don't necessarily get the 8gb. But the 4gb is amazing for what I use it for. I use the Pi's for tuning cars. Instead of a laptop I have them and touchscreens installed in racecars running tuning software and it's insane how good it works. The pi4 works better and is actually faster at on the fly tuning than my cheap laptop. I'm assuming it's because if the type of math the CPU needs to do. But a race dash can cost $1000-$2000. A pi, touchscreens some cleaver install and some 3d prints can reduce this to less than $200 and it works better!!!! But the 8gb? A bit useless IMO for such a low powered CPU.
Wow that's pretty awesome.
This is a good step in a direction for the pi to start taking over for your daily driver. With the Memory not being one of the limiting factors, devs can start to make more of their os builds. This version of Pi OS looks very beautiful as well. People will love making there own mac version on the pi and showing off to there friends with mac books. Can not wait to see what comes in the future from the Pi people. I will keep watching your channel for the future of this. Thanks for all your good work. I depend on your videos to keep me up to date. I am headed for your Patreon page now.
I hope they offer better boot drive interfaces in the future. m.2 would be really nice. Even a USB 3 flash drive.
I can't wait for the finished 64bit OS to see what it can do.
I am very happy with my new RPI4 8GB, the only thing I noticed is that it runs a bit hotter than my RPI 4GB. Did you experience the same?
The sad story is that this little board beats my old computer from 2012
this is like a normal phone even slower than todays phones, todays 1000$ phones are as fast as slow laptops today and fast pcs in the past(all other than iphones which are trash)
I built my entire lab on a Dell pavilion dv7 that came with Vista. The 4gb outclasses it on literally everything including I/O, but I BUILT A FREAKING ROBOTICS LAB ON A $1000 LAPTOP FROM 2012 FOR UNDER $2000 AND HAVE BOTH AN FDM AND 4K RESIN PRINTER. never say never my guy.
Mocanu Octavian43 iPhones are really powerful the A13 chip is amazing, and it’s in a 400$ iPhone. The A14 is supposed to be really powerful.
@@TGJMTheGamingJMaster thanks for the input fanboy but i think most android phones (quadcom/mediatek) would still destroy those chips in that price range
@@fosspointer lmfao
Thanks for the mindfulness of answering the question early on of whether 8GB will make a difference to emulation or not. Refreshing as a lot of content creators on youtube seem to be blind to what their audience will want (leaving people watching whole videos for the answer to one question). Love yer stuff, man, keep going.
Yes! That's all i wanted to know! Thanks
10:25 aww thats cute, the heat sink has heat pipes.
Dammmmn that poor Pi being used 110% with all that stuff at the same time the Pi be like *YAMETE KUDASAI ಥ_ಥ*
Take a shot every time he says "gigabyte model"
Alcohol poisoning set in at 0:35
I got drunk just reading this comment suggesting taking a shot this frequently.
Wowzers, doing this sorta stuff at 6:40 in the morning is kinda hardcore.
reading this at 6am.. 🙄
If I was a manufacturer, this channel would get all my stuff shipped to real quick.
The Blender "blenchmark" is what takes all the RAM. A normal benchmark isn't so bad, but the blenchmark...that's a killer.
th-cam.com/video/TpXBIYvYtBk/w-d-xo.html
I was listening at 1.5x and wanted to check my ears... He actually said Blenchmark, that's hilarious
He said it twice, which clued me into it being intentional.
Micro Centre staff: “ I sent ETA Prime a demo Raspberry Pi 4 8GB model after the TH-cam video is out we should see lots of sales!!!
Over at Micro centre: A Week goes by and everyone's buying 2GB models
I wondering why?
ETAPRIMETIME !!!!
Personally I feel it definitely is worth getting the 8gb model over the 2 or 4 GB versions especially for emulation.
I seem to recall the RPI 3b+ was not fully supported at the start when it came to utilization of the Ram.
I would be more thinking that within the next 3 months there will be a huge update on the emulation scene and it will be fully supported utilizing most if not all the Ram.!!
I bought one the day you announced it at 3am! I’m happy you made this follow up. It’s going to work perfect for me.
0:45 Hey thats my Micro Center! Shoutouts to Columbus, Ohio.
I know near to nothing abt raspberry pi but when he opened GIMP and it loaded that fast i was like 🤯
hmm, I have a raspberry pi 4 4gb model, it isn't slow,(I'm watching eta prime on this) and it has enough ram, so, if you have raspberry pi, pass and buy next raspberry pi.
Fun fact they sell Raspbberry Pis at Best Buy. I picked it up at my local Best Buy with a power supply.
if you are going to advertise for Micro Center you should really mention that they are only in the states and only ship within the states. people need to remember that youtube is international and not everyone lives in the US.
Nah. I watch a bunch of vids from people in Europe and in Asia and realize they have different stores than in the US. I don't need someone to tell me that.
Got my 4gb RP4 from Microcenter for an extra $5 off MSRP. Got the full setup for the board for only an extra $20 more; power supply, heatsinks, fan, and full aluminum case!! It's solid AF, cools like a beast. So, full setup minus microSD card, I had an extra card. First time going to Microcenter, and I can confirm, it's nerd nirvana!! Full setup for only $70!! YEZZUH!!
Over clock this, and it'll be as powerful as my friends gaming computer he built in college just 12 years ago.
This thing is better then my 1500 pc i build in 2003
Well you still need a dedicated GPU I'd wager, but we're definitely looking at an actual PC for human beings to use!
In terms of processing, the processor on this thing is equivalent to an Intel processor from the mid-2000s. Hence it can run PSP and DS. There are experiments going on with the PS2 but they're way, way off at the moment.
An 8-core (A72 or better) pi with 8GB RAM and better gpu, could make the ultimate small pc.
Well if they are upgrading the CPU, then why not use the new A76 or A77 cores?
ILA price
If only the Gizmosphere Gizmo 2 had been available with a quad core CPU and a minimum of 2GB (as they had originally stated it would include) of RAM (both of which I bought with them [I have 3 Gizmo 2's. 1 is my primary daily driver, the other my 3D print controller and the 3rd my car video camera system] and I would have my near ultimate SBC. In the meantime I've run my standard 2 core, 1GB DDR3 RAM Gizmo 2, Raspberry Pi B+, Raspberry Pi 2 B and Asus Tinkerboard original for much of my needs. But remote control and visibility of the many 3D printers could make such an 8GB RAM board sensible.
Is the 8gb better for retro gaming?
If they could shrink down a 10900K and 2080Ti to the size of a Pi and sell it for $50, that would be even better! /s
The Pi 4 is really great in theory, but the slow progress on its video encode/decode and other GPU-driver development is what really hurts it from excelling.
I only wish that they had increased the core count to eight to make the 8GB model more attractive.
Fact if that there is a lot of optimization that are going to be done on 64bit version in the coming months. We might also see better GPU drivers for this. So, I beleive that Ram consumption should get optimised.
On a more practical note. I would like to see how many Chrome tabs I can open on 4GB vs 8GB version. I won't include rendering or converting app in this mix as they are designed to use max cpu already and thus would defeat the purpose of actual usage senario.
And yes I do have more then 100 tabs on Firefox in my desktop. And a lot of people usually have 30+ tabs in there daily drivers.. So, its not far fetched.
Why y'all not close tabs, like every time I wanna exit out of the browser I just close the tab. "Yes I need this tab leading to a photo of Luigi doing a T pose from 2018. And I'm going to keep it here for the rest of time"
I want to know if it runs marvel vs capcom 2 without overclocking the raspberry pi.
Even though it should all be the same, it would be pleasing to see that it is the case, there might be subtle differences, that might make it a better pi over the others of its type.
Now all they need is a faster CPU and m.2 support and I’ll be set
Maybe they'll release a Pro version or a RPI 5 next year, but it won't be selling at $75(8 Gb version). More likely for $99 bucks. Keep the faith.
@@josephtremblant2173 I think it will eh a couple more years before a RPi5 comes out. By that time, there definitely will be a faster processor. And m.2 will probably be old enough to be cost effective to be put on it. The issue will be more about where to put it on the board.
Running a Minecraft Server will be perfect for the 8GB model
The CPU will crap out long before the 8GB of RAM gets fully utilized.
Yeah now we need the pi pro with snapdragon 865
Modded Minecraft wants a word with you.
@@youtubeviolation8829 that will be like 400$ hahah, as some new "gaming pi"
TH-cam violation I myself wish raspberry would Beginn buying apples A13 , A12X or A12Z (A12Z or A12X wich iPad Pros have) CPUs with Its GPUs and put them in raspberry pi Pro 4s
With at least 8GB Ram (customizable or later upgradeable with Two DDR4 Sodimm slots up to 64GB at 3000 MHZ)
A 2.5 Inch Drive slot up to Sata III 6GBPS (comes with nothing or 2TB SSHD at 7200RPM and 16GB Flash Booster for HDD)
A NVME SSD Drive Slot up to PCIE Gen 4 (Comes with 120GB pre installed , customizable up to 4TB, Operating system is pre installed on NVME SSD , is choosable wether Raspbian 64 Bit , Windows 8.1/10 ) 64 Bit (pro or home edition ) or Linux)
A SD card reader slot up to 2TB at 300MB/S
Two USB 3.1 10 GBPS
Two USB-C one for power and one for data transfer 10GBPS
Two Thunderbolt 3 for external gpu and fast data transfer 40GBPS
DVI , HDMI and VGA
Up to 5K at 60 HZ or two 4K at 60HZ , or three 2K at 120HZ or four 1080P at 144HZ
Price : around 500-700€
Size : Around 4 Raspberry pi 4s or 6 Raspberry Pi 4s
The Raspberry 4 pro case (seperately available)
CPU/GPU cooler (heatsink and Fan ) ca. 40-80MM Fan , two ca. 40-80MM Fans for the rest are included in it.
@@armeniancrusader301 that's why the pi is 75 dollars.
I love Microcenter. I’ve been to the one in the town that brought us the Commodore Amiga. I just wish we could get those stores in Florida. From the first pi to the pi 4 I always used active cooling.
I wish there was a microcenter in my state. I lived in PA for 10 years had them there. I had my brother from PA pick up a Pi 4 for me at Microcenter.
Yes. I know how you feel. The nearest one from me is about 60-70 miles away in another state.
Yeah, none near here either. We have a best buy... it's genuinely depressing.
Thanks! glad I saw this. I had the 8Gb version in my cart yesterday and held off for one more day. So yea, I may noy have a use for this yet.
random question.. what photo did you use for your background? I liked it
1. install and configure ZRAM SWAP 2. mount /tmp on tmpfs 3. add commit=10 (or higher) to the mount options for the root partition to reduce writes back to the flash to once every 10 seconds instead of the default 5 seconds, so more repetitive disk activity occurs in ram. Avoid longer commit if your power source is unstable or intermittent, but if you use battery backed power and have lots of ram performance is significantly improved on repetitive r/w activity like gaming or database. 4. Make sure you are on an OS with 5.7.0-1 or higher kernel. 5. not a memory issue but for better performance use a U3 rated card with R/W of 100/60 mb/s or better. usually larger cards are faster.
You _could_ make an RPI NAS that caches the incoming files to a RAMdisk of 4GB, then writes it to a slower disk after the files have been transported.
Rednassie It’s like a capacitor for HDs!
You could just read "man ext4" and set commit=30 in the nas drive mount options and let Linux handle it,
Or use FreeBSD and use ZFS filesystem
As always, thanks a lot for your video. I guess the 8Go of RAM are not specifically for end user in the GUI. Some interesting tests should be with Grafana, Postgresql, a website app and some code running in the background, multiplicating the request from the clients across the web. It should be interesting to see the load and how the Rasp is able to manage it.
It looks great for my web server!
You are one of the first to share this..Thanks.. I was wondering if it will draw higher current also while using more RAM.. I Prepared a setup .. the increase of current was really less.. New RAM is specified at higher clock frequency.. probably a better choice for over clocking ?
I have had two raspberry pi 4 die, with hdmi issues, I managed to send one back, it would have Hurt more at this price, this is an old pi, even though it's much more powerful than the pi3, it only does tasks slightly better, if you need a pi 4, the 2gb model is a bargain, but a new pi or revised pi should be round the corner some time soon, I will be happy to pick up that in its 8 GB variation, hopefully it will be with working GPU drivers or even a improved GPU.
With 8GB of ram it could be possible to load the os complete in the ram and then having a super fast system isn't it? No need for blocking one usb port with an ssd.
I think this might be for kiosks that have to loop a bunch of 4K videos where the SD card isn’t fast enough so it’s all precached
Whilst I like the update to the Pi memory, I wish that they would sort out better drivers for the GPU . I bought a Pi4 on release, but for emulation and other graphic intensive operations it's stifled by the lack of GPU drivers, which is a shame.
optimization is the name of the game
I'm pretty hyped for it. I'm currently using an old Optiplex as a Nextcloud/Minecraft/Jellyfin/OMV Server and it's pretty much maxed out using all 8GBs of RAM. I had a few other virtual machines on it but it couldn't keep up. I even moved a DNS server over to my Pi3. With this I could move quite a few things over to relieve the old PC or even add new services.
I was so close to buying a Pi4 before this new model got released. With the right use cases this could be quite powerful.
That’s great I can upgrade my MC server where my friends and I play
Pi 4's with 4gb+ RAM now are legitimate low end desktop substitutes! Not sure how the cost for performance is compared to low end used computers though...but nice to have this option.
If you have the 4gb it’s not a big deal to upgrade , the upgrade will be good if they first upgrade the cpu and add 3D acceleration . Even the 2gb is more than enough for 95% of users of the pi. Next upgrade the cpu gpu and add nvme or sata III connector
Using my Pi as an ARM build server, so the extra RAM is helpful!
What’s that strange audio glitch I hear at 4:25 and 4:28 ? I think I need to go to sleep.
Lol thanks for the heads up, editing it out now.
@@ETAPRIME So there's gonna be a reupload? :)
ETA PRIME 👌🏻
Thomas Crown oh is it
Thanks for the info, I reupload my videos when there’s an issue XD 😂
I wont be upgrading, my 4gb is never starved for ram. I think the only use for 8gb model is in a server cluster. Currently, with drivers lacking hardware acceleration for video playback, I think there are some better devices to tinker with for same price as a pi. With hardware accelerated video, and android/ ubuntu/ retropie support.
would you care listing the other options? I'm looking for a cheap device for web browsing/media consumption/easy emulation stuff/file management on windows10 or linux. 4k60 shouldn't be too hard by 2020, even on low end devices.
Please list some better options.
There's no Micro Center anywhere near me.
I'd have to travel over 100 miles to get to one..
There is always Amazon.
This was an informative guide, would want to see a starter kit guide on accesories you can get to manage heat & get you up & ready to have in your go-bag while you move around as a tech professional.
No need for the 8gb settle with the 4gb
I need that for my nas, so its a good board to meet my need.
@@aperson9375Im running a pi4 as a nas as well. Can you explain why the 8gb is better for a nas application, and what modifications do you need to make to utilize the extra 4gb effectively. (Assuming you are also running the 8gb model)
@@wahabata Haven't bought the 8gb model yet but the nas server loves large ram, provides quick response and also very efficient to process simultaneous request. You don't need to do any changes raspbian os 64 bit is coming and decent nas server documentation is available.. you just have to google it.
@@wahabata Oh you are running nas on 4gb, its good, btw.
ETA prime I love your channel man! always very clear explanations and great information about the most recent technology! dude you are the coolest!
I’d rather see tests with a media server like Plex
Or Docker!
The max RAM a 32-bit OS can use is 4GB so no matter what it wouldn't have used more than that. Try testing on the 64 bit version of Raspberry Pi OS and repeat your testing methodology
Not true.
The maximum address space for any one task is 4GB, but the OS can use 8GB spread across 4GB tasks. Linux makes better use of that facility than Windows. Don't be misled into thinking Microsoft's limitations are driven by the hardware.
For those of my generation who remember Win 3.1: This is a bit like the way that 16 bit addresses Max out at 64k, but the 16 bit versions of DOS and windows could cope with a total of 1MB. (Though the exact way that is achieved is very different)
does it mean that the ram is configured in single channel mode ? that's sad .. same amount in 2x4gb would be a c ompletely different story
Probably as Im guessing the layout would have to change for 2 ram chips. Means also many aftermarket direct heatsink cases wouldn't fit as well or at all.
I JUST bought a 4gb pi4 dang it! Loving it tho, running dreamcast games and psx games with zero lag...
Thanks for the emulation clarity. Just more bragging rights than anything lol
The multiple tabs in a browser convinced me I need the 8GB model. lol
Thanks for the video.
Excellent, thanks. But what about the temperature, is it warmer ? Thanks again.
Oof. His thing is expensive for a pi. Personally I have absolutely no use for a pi to have 8GB of ram. It may be best for windows though
I brought up a similar point on the Raspberry Pi reddit page. I feel like the original goal of the board is getting a bit lost. Even if you're thinking of getting the pi as a cheap desktop machine, you could get way more bang for your buck from a small second hand tower on eBay, for just a little bit more money. Not only that, but you could get a second hand pc with a processor that doesn't tie you down to ARM. As good as box 86 is, there's a lot of applications it can't run which would be very beneficial.
The main thing on the new model is, while the RAM has increased, the power from the CPU hasn't.
@@UnlimitedRicePudding_ guess what: they offerred just what customers had been askinf for and sales figures had shown them too
the more ram the better the sales figures
What had the by far longest delivery time? the 4 gb version due to high demand not low production
And the 1 GB version were always in stock ...
You can buy whatever you want and of cause they did not loose their focus cause that is always what customers want cause otherwise a foundation will dy pretty soon.
The poor child from africa can still get a zero for cheap and more powerfull and pi 3 that is cheaper than a pi 4 with 1 GB and less power hungry.
Next step is 64 bit and then they will be working on a more powerfull zero and m 0.2 sata support throughout the whole line I guess.
From there on they might go for exchangeable RAM and maybe a different graphic, a dedicated one as option if they find space to place
Why would you use windows? Linux distros are way bettter
Techman application support. That simple. I personally don’t like windows but I’d appreciate it in a computer due to the fact that a hell of a lot of applications are windows only. Not to mention that the ARM architecture makes matters even worse as many programs don’t even support it and are closed source, so you won’t even be able to compile them yourself.
@@someone321 So which Windows applications have been ported to ARM?
8GB 😳good thing I didn’t buy the 4GB model,Im interested in this version
I’m buying the 8gb and I already have the 4gb but I’ll use that for something else, maybe pick up some HATS or something
If I open Chrome with a few Google sites open (specifically gmail google docs and youtube), together with VS Code and another app, I am pushing the RAM and cache on my 4GB Raspi 4, and take a performance hit. I think that the 8GB model will work better for me, but I'll have to wait. I've only had my 4B model a couple months.
HTML5 Browers are all hungry these days.
Windows: *has difficulty operating with only 4GB of RAM*
Raspbian: It is against my character to exceed 4GB of RAM
I personally disagree with your recommendation of the 8GB version for new pi owners. As you said in your video, 99% of people won't use it... so why spend the extra money?
Lots of people want top tier of any model. Wether they use the product to the full potential or not
Well, maybe someone cares about the redesigned power delivery to have more power for the external devices... Also we have seen this on pcs already: 64bit version of the programs takes more RAM, 2gb will struggle soon. Furthermore when overclocked the 4gb might become the bottleneck of the desktop experience. My question is: what do you do to max out ram in your server? I run many things on my rpi2 and is at only 300-400mb of ram usage
@@fporcelli2009 the SD card will be the bottleneck first
Better overclocker, can handle higher power. 4GB model may reboot with all 4 vcore load. The 8GB pi has 50% higher PMIC frequency, thus delivering more amperage. The added memory can be used for some server, Minecraft etc.
No one can be a geek if not at maximum RAM allowed with actual technology.
Then you learn with time the real benefice of having a big one: Self satisfaction and WOW effect when you show it .
I can't believe you called OpenShot "OneShot" three out of three times...
I can't believe I'm uselessly replying to your comment
@@IAmMisterD hello!
Excellent demonstration...
I hope some day add hardware acceleration for videos.
And get rid of the screen tearing. Their video driver isn’t in very good shape and severely limits the usefulness of desktop Linux
I'm convinced that I can retire my electricity-guzzling server and use this for my Docker images (Spring Boot)
Definitely. You might not need the 8gb, but a server would put it to good use
ETA prime: tries to fill 8GB RAM
Chrome : hold my tabs
One use I see for the extra ram is for a small ZFS array as a NAS. Attach a couple usb3 hdds and use the ram as ARC.
Could you make a review with nextcloud and the pi 8gb or something similar with NAS :)
Thanks for the video.
This video really shows just why cpus are so expensive. That was really eye opening, thank you!
Ha ha ha. He said "blench mark."
Thank you for your always good reviews !
What about just watching 1080p 60fps videos on TH-cam on it's own would it be able to handle that or would the CPU be the issue
CPU and GPU is still the issue the extra ram won’t help with this.
@@ETAPRIME damn I guess I'm gonna have to wait for further iterations
i was checking all my tabs for where the heck it's coming from!
youtube livestreams work well through KODI even on RPi 3B+
These little machines are really impressive. Wow.
Its RAM is more than my laptop
Haha same
I was looking at doing a project with a Pi, the harware list suggested a Pi2, so of course I got the Pi4 8G model for it...
When the project is done and I tear it down, I still have a Pi that will be enough for the future (atleast a couple of years)
Best review on this product!
For some reason I’d love to see how skyrim & Minecraft run on this, for emulation Saturn & Dreamcast would be my go-to’s
Thank you for answering my thought. When you said and I quote, "The 8GB version is great for NAS or home server." I was planning on using it for that purpose. And maybe run minecraft server
Super jelly about Microcentre,We have nothing like this in the UK where you can actually go in see the vast amount of choice and see it in person,We only have currys and they hardly have anything,even when they do its never in stock :D
Lament for Maplin...