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Just a heads up. There’s a 1 month old account named “pinned by gamer nexus” that’s spamming some BS link. Edit: to clarify. The comment I replied too (this one) is NOT the spam account. I was reading comments and kept seeing a “pinned by GN” replying with a whats app number.
Look, since you guys are not going to like any prebuilts anyway, why not starting a business where you mount and sell your own? You guys certainly have the knowledge to do so and even some contacts in china. Plus, you have the youtube channel to advertise it.
I have the ZS. The less expensive AMD-equipped version of this with the grill intake in place of the glass. Their less expensive prebuilt is better than the more expensive one. I replaced the MOBO, CPU, and added a GPU as I bought it last Summer from someone who bought it just to take out the GPU off of eBay for around $550.00. It runs like a champ after my upgrades. I am running an MSI MAG B500M Mortar Wifi, AMD 3800 XT CPU, 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 CL16 ram, MSi A850GF PSU, and an MSI RTX 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio.
IIRC, the word "Aegis" is a shield usually associated with Athena/Zeus . At least the case works as the "Aegis" name implies: It shields all the inner parts from airflow.
Its bios makes it worse than dell. Dell has proprietary board and bios that's just weird but kinda works, This is just a friggen 350watt silicone fuse/heater, best case you part it out and reflash the mobo and scrap the case, similar to ibuypower.
@@CourtesyToot Yeah, any prebuilt is part of the "It's better than Dell" series as I call it. Whether it passes or fails is up to you. In this case, it passes because it can also cook a brisket inside the case in 4hrs. 🤣👍
The more I see you guys review these PC's, the more glad I am I decided to put together my first build in September instead of going with a pre-built! 😆
Haha same, I originally was thinking of getting a pre-built to save me the hassle, then I went and did the prices for what I was paying for and realized I could just build my own and save more. My first build was in April and I was so scared I'd break something. Fast forward now and my pc is serving me very well and I'm so glad I am able to upgrade anytime I want.
I will say, in the current climate, a prebuilt you do a little maintenance on is probably the most savvy move. Even the used market is worse than that ATM. But I agree that building is an awesome experience, and it's nice to have full control.
This is quite impressive. They seem to have taken your review of the 500X, went back to the drawing board, and decided they had not yet made the worst product on Earth and felt they had more work to do.
i bought an MSI prebuilt in February, it was amazing for about 1 week then couldnt even open a game for more than 10 seconds. after $150 worth of shipping and a few weeks later i finally have a great running pc again, no heat issues, the keyboard is clunky and loud but ok, the mouse i have no complaints about. Overall the RMA process and overall customer service in my experience is very good, in the future ill probably look to build my own, however for people like me that were nervous getting into the PC building hobby i would highly recoomend MSI.
Daisychain PCI-E solution, is okay up to 300W, as long as the AWG is specified to handle 25 Amps (@12V). it is on high quality PSU's. But some use AWG, that is specced to handle 16-18 Amps (200-225W max). Some lower powered units has a multiple rail config, which has maybe a 18A limitation on the 12V that feed the PCI-E cable. Which is more safe. Better to have a PSU shutting off, than the risk of cable melting. The PSU used here, is Delta. They overall make excellent PSUs. Even with medium quality parts, they build them to last, because they build them properly. Should be dimensined properly according to rail power.
Walmart: "You knew our quality is bottom of the barrel." Steve: "Really? It can't be worse than this." Dell: "Hold my beer." MSI: "Forget Dell, wait 'til you see this one." Thanks, Steve.
Some extra nitpicking on 27:05 - the BIOS has only two extremes: "Boxed Cooler" 65W and 255W for the other two options. Make the "Tower Cooler" setting something like 125W, and it will make far more sense.
you know, that thing where they're messing with the clock speed to report 100% load sounds a lot like the Volkswagen emission data manipulation.... That should tell you enough about that
After watching alot of reviews for prebuilds, I would never recommend anyone buy one. Maybe it's just negativity sells, but I've maybe seen 1 or 2 reviews where I wouldn't have felt completely ripped off. It just absolutely blows my mind the shit they pull. Correct parts and proper installation are simply non negotiable, and these are the two main problems I see time and time again. So glad I took my time, did the research and built my own pc.
MSI is the company that hears from GN about how cases with low airflow reduce working life of components, gets dollar signs in their eyes and further reduces airflow on the next case
Cases like these just show how common it is for marketing teams to take over the engineering and design for tech products including pc cases. Always a catastrophe
My cousin bought one and his AIO for the CPU was upside down and no outake. Well the AIO was acting as the outtake and I convinced him to move it up top to be an intake but does not have an outtake fan. (will probably make one himself). He doesn't trust himself enough to get real deep into the bios and reinstall the OS so he took it to geek squad. We shall see how geek squad fixes it but they gave him the excuse that he fried a part when everything works lol .
I bought this exact PC, same price, same specs except I have a 2070 Super in mine instead of the 2060 Super and I have none of these problems in mine, you may have gotten a bad one or maybe whoever built yours was not experienced. The bloatware was annoying in the beginning but it’s easy to uninstall a lot of that. The airflow is something you can’t really change cuz it’s the same case and my system does get warm but it’s not completely overheating in mine. I also added an SSD to mine and checked the one that came with it and mine was not bent at all. I do a ton of optimizations to any PC I get (I have a system :p) so maybe that’s part of the reason mine does not perform like this example, so this may be slightly biased.
This case isn't THAT bad. I imagine they messed up with mounting the cooler. There's some ventilation on the sides, top and bottom front panel but the glass front is definitely a bad desicion. I've used the 110R on a build I did for someone, and temperatures were fine- nothing above 80c while gaming with a 5600x, 3070, and MSI 240R AIO. Except maybe the GPU hotspot peaking at 81c. Of course not up to the standards of an airflow focused review channel, but the case was only $70, has 4 RGB fans, looks great and is fine for the components we used it with.
Msi thermalpaste and pads are horrible. My gl73 8se (2060 laptop) dropped 20C with a repaste using 5+ years old paste included with a 212 Evo. I would love to see a guide tuning pre-built systems, bios, Intel xtu etc. Specially computers with add on "tuning" programs like msi dragon center. Would be nice to make the best use of the hardware with some tinkering.
I thought at least the components would have made up for the price. Nope. My first PC was a prebuilt and it came with an i7-8700k and RTX 2070. For $100 less.
I will never buy a prebuilt, I like to have as much control over aesthetics, components, assembly and performance as possible. Many system builders seem to drop the ball on one or all of these criteria.
Honestly, this is a great candidate for a case mod project. Take that front panel and just cut or drill a bunch of holes into the plastic for airflow, remove the glass if possible and put on some mesh, then maybe add in two intake fans at the top and then flush the Windows Install. You end up with something that might actually be usable.
I contacted MSI because apparently there is a mesh front version but they charge me 40 Bucks for the replacement mesh front. NOPE. So i just dremeld some nice slots in the front metal panel and its great. Thanks for the idea
💀💀me with my system that i built for 650$ with Ryzen 5 3500 Rtx 2070S 16GB 3200 C16 dual channel memory, and the amd stock cooler where cpu temps are at highest 85 when rendering in adobe PP or AE, even cinebench, and gpu temps 75 max in fur mark -- (i feel proud)
Thank you so much for reviewing this and warning everyone. I bought one of these unfortunately - there were a few limitations to what I could buy, long story. Has a 10700k and RTX 3090. When it arrived, the CPU jumped to 100 C with any task. I took the PC apart and found the "Please Remove Before Install" sticker still on the water cooler block (I have pics...). Took that off, repasted, temps improved, but not great. Found the same problem you found - the BIOS settings were pushing it to maximum clock without fail. Tweaked, temps again improved, but not great. I pulled off the front panel, temps were much better. I contacted MSI and bought the mesh equivalent of the front panel (from the Gungnir 111M or something similar). Temps were finally manageable. Then the computer started crashing consistently during every machine learning or gaming session. Turns out the 750W PSU could not handle the power spikes from the 3090. MSI tried to replace the PSU with the same one - same problem. I got sick of it and replaced it with a much better 1200 W one. After all that, my CPU temps returned to 100C. Realized the water cooler was no longer pushing water. Replaced that... Now I finally have a working computer, months and hundreds of dollars later.
So sorry. I had almost a year of fights with MSI over a motherboard of theirs that I replaced three times, each taking over a month to replace, and the board killing ALL MY OTHER PARTS, before calling it quits and spending over $400 on a new board by Asus. MSI is just a shit company overall and that board was the first and only product I'll ever buy from them.
@@starwinter6845 I bought the tomahawk and it's awesome but I think that was what they made after their terrible motherboard fiasco from an earlier generation
@@waldolemmer "Compress this drive to save space" was the exact wording of this feature in WIndows XP which is what I think he was going for, the question is did anyone actually use it?
@@gp3000000 I am because Acer thought it was acceptable to ship a Windows 10 laptop in 2018 with just THIRTY-TWO GIGABYTES OF STORAGE. I have to do an in-place upgrade with a USB to even update it lmao because it doesn't even have enough space to download the update files
It's so baffling that company that actually has enough R&D to manufacture their own hardware couldn't figure out how to assemble few off the shelf parts competently.
IKR? How did they screw it up this badly?! There's apparently nothing wrong with any of the components (except for the case), and many of these components are actually pretty good, and yet somehow they managed to find a way to make the system terrible, and in a way which goes beyond just having bad case ventilation.
Remember MSI is a company of hundreds. With very smart engineers that manufacture these components BUT the guy who built this computer and the guy who did the software setup (sometimes the same) is a poorly paid dude who works in a warehouse all day. Some care about their work quality some don’t just like every company in the world. The important thing is wether or not they fix the issues awesome people like this show the world.
@@jlurenzjr no real way to "fix" these issues unless the person who bought the computer is familiar with tech enough to just nuke all the software and start again new.
@@syncmonism Speaking off cases... I have an NZXT H210i And tzhe front panel is just a solid piece, so I thought it is bad for the temps... but it isn't. It's a mini itx case and i have powerful hardware etc. (and a terrible thermal paste job on the CPU, long story lol) but.... it doesn't matter if the Front panel is on or not. How? Like how does it get enough air? The case in the video has an issue with this, the 210i has literally a solid plate as a front panel. It only can suck in air through two abgout 2.5cm wide stripes next to the intake fans and from the bottom below the front panel since it's completely open there and even made wider, probably to suck in air... Like why does it work? It makes no sense to me, the total area can't be that much larger in my case then in the one in the video?
Steve, after buying my last computer pre-built four years ago, I ultimately decided to finally learn how to build a PC. There’s no question I’ve made more than a few mistakes pricewise, but in the end I’m sure that the last two computers I’ve put together for my kids and my wife, combined, were cheaper than any pre-built I’ve ever bought previously. Not to mention it’s very satisfying when you hit that power button and it posts. I’ve learned a lot from watching your channel as well as Jay and Paul. To all new builders out there, it’s not as hard as you think! If I can do it anyone can
thats really cool to hear! my prebuilt is nearly 4 years old now as well, and I'm planing to build my own computer to fit my demands. All the midrange prebuilts are a hit and miss, so it'll be much more reliable to build it myself.
@@GamersNexus -how come you pinned the fake Chinese (assuming because of WhatsApp) bot account? That will just confuse viewers- Ignore, just trickery and mobile woes
You just have to buy from the right places. NZXT has pretty good stuff, though airflow in cases could be better. Got a PC w/ 3070 Ti, 5900x for 1900 about 6 months ago. It's been running like a charm, though I did have to turn up fan curve, especially on GPU.
@@Mihoshika yeah, the one case I’ve bought from them was the h510 Flow because I was afraid of bad airflow, it’s been fine since. I’ve been thinking about getting an h1 v2 for my next upgrade, and I’ve already decided if I do I’m adding on more fans. NZXT is just not great for anything other than looks and build quality (and the last one only very slightly). Plus a lot of people don’t like how their products look.
Pretty sure the quality control on actual diy pcs aren’t any better than this.. and with so many opportunities to screw things up for the average person this is likely a step up
As someone who runs a small pre-built PC company, I like watching these videos to educate myself, and I can say allot of these errors I ensure aren't made, and for large OEM's, I think allot of this is cost cutting/simply not caring. The biggest one that stood out to me on this review was the 100C on the CPU, we test all products, CPU, GPU, Ram, max load prior to shipping out a system, if it has temp issues, we notice immediately. The last thing you want is a customer returning the product because its lagging, trashing your business in reviews, calling you a scammer, etc etc, its not worth it. When it comes to immediate throttles, those things show themselves within minutes, its the last piece in the process to make sure the build was done correctly, not sure how OEM's miss this or even allow a system to ship with the ability to thermal throttle. I know these companies are making BANK compared to what I do on each system with all their pre-installed bloat non-sense, wholesale discounts, etc etc. There is no excuse for systems to come out with issues like this. Even if you wanted to blame employees, its still their fault at the end of the day, my employees understand I'm a perfectionist, and each system will be perfect, people aren't paying for amateur to build their stuff, if they were, they could do it themselves. At the end of the day though, marketing and money speak way more than your product, any decent business person knows that.
Rookie mistake installing an M.2 heatsink on top of one of those Adata M.2s. They come with an aluminum heatspreader installed from factory (which is very difficult to remove due to an adhesive thermal pad being used), that adds height and most motherboard included heatsinks will crush it even if not tightened all the way. This is worse than just over-tightening, it's reckless and could cost the customer time and money should it kill the part.
Uhh sorry for late reply but i bought a kingston fury renegade ssd and it came with a heat spreader, i removed the spreader and installed a heatsink on it and noticed a nice heat decrease. So did i do a bad thing? The ssd is working perfectly fine though, crystaldiskmark said its reading and writing at 7gb/s so its normal.
I'm always amazed by these because you can put parts in a case, leave everything at default never touching the bios or any settings and end up with a perfectly workable computer. Sure that's not optimal but it works, yet here we are.
The new intel chips sometimes come out of the box needing an undervolt at least for my i7 12700k. Very unstable temps so I undervolted slightly and got better performance with normal temps
@@headphonesz6527 that's kinda where I'm at currently I'm looking to finally build a new computer, and well don't laugh but my current computer was my first build which wouldn't be an issue except I built it in like 2013 or so... 2022 still rocking my 4.5ghz i7-2600k, Radeon HD-7950, and 8gb of ddr3 ram. It still plays the games I want to play, and like works, but software is becoming an issue now lol windows 11 doesn't like the hardware, and now that the 12600k came out I feel that it's only appropriate to go from a 2600k to a 12600k
Hearing you say its one of the worst computers you have worked on in the first minute of the video. Me: wow this must be bad. Dell: so we technically win the its better than dell award? 🥇
The first M.2 SSD I ever installed I ended up installing incorrectly. I didn't know the little standoff was a thing and I had never seen one of these drives installed before. The drive ran for about 3-4 years installed at a ~10 degree angle until it finally died. When I repaired the computer and replaced the drive, I was shocked that I did something so dumb.
Woah woah woah buddy, "Boil CPU at 100 degrees"? I don't think that's accurate, because you see, I contacted Alienware about a decade ago about a laptop I had which was going at 105-110 degrees, and they assured me that these processors were made for gaming. According to these specialists, it's totally normal for them to be hotter than the boiling point of water.
es normal tener esas temperaturas en una laptop, en un equipo de escritorio no es aceptable debido a que tienes el espacio para poner una refrigeración decente
That's the typical marketing bs for noobs. It's like having the car dealer tell you that you can keep your brand-new car's engine revved at 6000 rpm 24/7, no problem whatsoever.
'Unlike Ibuypower they put foam inside'. Having moved at least 20 of these boxes to clients, I never saw a single one that didn't have ample foam protection. The fact they sent YOU guys one without, is stunning to me.
@@cat-.- They've been padding their RDY build and custom builds for years prior to Nexusgamers review. Additionally, I don't doubt they indeed do this - it's not an assumption of them lying, it's just simply so unlike the company standard, and their insurance policy with FedEx.
@@cat-.- I have had my iBuyPower PC for almost a year and it came with foam packing inside but it was something I had to select. You can order the build without foam packing. Likely what happened in this case.
You seriously give clients these monstrosities? How the Hell are you still business? Most customers will let a boo boo or 2 slip through, not 20 of them.
Here's a fun idea: take all the internals and throw them in a generic tower case, and see how the thermals stack up in the "basic beige behemoth." It would be interesting to see if some el-cheapo case has better airflow...
No case is going to have better thermals than taking the front panel off, and that still didn't solve the problem. The case is bad, but the real problem is the bizarre BIOS and power settings that force this CPU to run at full wattage for even simple tasks. Modern CPUs are absolutely not designed to be used that way.
As an old diehard MSI customer, their quality has dropped tremendously over the last decade. I remember when I had issues with some monitors and 1000 series GPUs and, while they didn't reimburse you for the shipping costs, made up for it by upgrading your current product. I remember having a 60hz 1080p monitor that they replaced with a 90hz 1440p monitor, or a 1070 with no display output that got shipped back as a 1080 ti. It didn't cost the company that much more, as they only lost $100-200 USD when they upgraded you, your defective product can be fixed and sent to another gamer instead of to a landfill, and you felt satisfied with the result as an end user. Nowadays, their customer service and product quality is a shell of its former self. You can definitely tell that there are great workers in the company, but the air is just so intoxicated with corporate bs that it undermines what they used to stand for less than ten years ago. Hope they go under new management and go back to doing things because they made sense, not cents.
Sounds like the situation with many other well known brands, the bean counters have taken over and started squeezing all of the value out in the name of shareholder value.
If we can't rely on MSI anymore, who do we buy from? I dropped Gigabyte a few years ago since their boards seemed to get less reliable. I dropped Asus 15 years ago for the same reason. I don't think Asus got any better meanwhile.
The really sad thing is, by simply using a case with airflow, correctly installing the SSD, and not adding bloatware, this system would actually make some sense.
I thought that might be the case too, but the thermals remained garbage even with the case opened up. While the bloatware would make the CPU run hotter on low loads I don't think it would effect the torture test's (thermal) results much. The problem is the cooler - the V5 is good at what it does, but it's got a TDP of 150w and a 10700 under load will go past 200w. I think MSI knew the Vetroo was cheap and had a good public image (again, it's great at what it's designed for), so it was an easy marketing move to install it even though it's asking way too much of the poor thing. If you reset the bios, reinstalled the OS, and changed the case out you'd still need to replace the V5 with something that's rated about 100w higher.
It is a truly sad day when a computer component manufacturer does not know how to properly assemble computers from components it manufacturers itself, a very sad, sad, day.
It is not MSI that build them, pretty sure it will be a third party, supplied by Msi. It wouldn't be very feasible to ship PC's from Taiwan. It's still the fault of whatever Msi branch that subs out though. QC and training of the 3rd party is dog turd for sure.
I work for a small computer repair shop and recently had one of these come in. They forgot to take the plastic sticker (that says "please remove before mounting") off the bottom of the cpu cooler and it cooked the cpu. Brilliant.
If it was a prebuilt I'd blame the shop where they bought it. Users are clueless, the shop should've reminded them of simple stuff like that. They're buying a damn prebuilt, it goes without saying that user probably doesn't know how computers work and was likely afraid of messing with it and breaking something. Just a short reminder would've been sufficient. "When you get home and connect it to your mouse/keyboard/monitor, please also remember to remove this sticker."
@@pjavilla I would hope that a prebuilt computer manufacturer didn’t expect the consumer to mount the hardware for them otherwise what’s the actual point?
@@pjavilla Don't really get your comment, if it is a pre-built then the customer is not supposed to install the Cpu cooler themselve. It should pretty much be plug and play on the customers' part.
Well it's off-the-shelf parts, so you just have to rip the front panel off, remount the cpu cooler, remount the ssd, format the drive and install a clean copy of an operating system, tweak the cpu power settings in the bios, change the ram speeds in the bios, and rip off the plastic backplate and it should be... functional.
I keep seeing "just build it" but most of the time pcpartpicker shows a price higher than prebuilds... just a reminder that we're not exactly in normal markets. Double check everything.
@@QuantumConundrum Just budget in the best parts you can get. Yes you can sometimes get a slightly higher skew of GPU in a pre-built, but it's not going to perform to it's maximum capabilities as most of these pre-builts have flaws that are detrimental to performance. Mostly because SI's are trying to save money in other ways. So if you pick some parts that make sense together and put them in a decent case, it's going to outperform a similarly priced pre-built 99% of the time.
The Ultimate Power Plan is usually only available with "Windows Pro for Workstations" which is a sku used for multi-socket cpu monsters with features closer to Windows Server. It's possible to "hack" the power plan into regular Windows Pro. If that was a Not a "Windows Pro for Workstations" OS, they hacked that in. If by chance it came pre-installed with it, then it shows they're incompetent cause a single socket gaming system will never be able to take advantage of it.
That plastic backplate is good for one thing only: Keeping screws and other metal bits from falling onto the GPU unnoticed and causing a short. Or water from a leaky water block connection.
that's not a good excuse, they could easily make a metal backplate for not much more money. even cheap metal like magnesium would be better than plastic.
Would be interesting to add a section in the video called "fixing issues" or maybe make a new playlist of videos called "fixing pre-builts" where you guys show simple things that could fix some of the problems. This would be very useful for people that already bought a pre-built and are looking for ways to try to fix them.
It's interesting seeing the thermals and settings issues on this one, as I have a computer from this same line. Admittedly a much higher end one as it came with an RTX 3090, but it was the same exact case physically, and I ran it for a year without issues, prior to scavenging it to use the 3090 in a custom build. But I have a suspicion that the only reason it worked well was they used a 240mm liquid cooler exhausting out of the top of the case, and with the rear exhaust and the front fans, and that radiator with its fans, likely had enough pressure to minimize the effect of the shitty case. I'm wondering how much they bothered customizing the BIOS settings for all of the different Aegis PCs- while they use a common case, they include everything from an RTX 2060 to a 3090 OC, and some with pure air setups or some with 120mm or 240mm liquid coolers. If they used just one set of BIOS configurations and flashed them all the same, it might explain some of the garbage settings.
Yeah I have one with an RTX 3080 and i7 11700kf and it came with a 120mm aio for some reason. After I replaced that with a 240mm one on the top it's been running fantastic. I don't think it came with Norton either but I might have uninstalled it when I got it.
Exactly. I have the Gungnir 110R with a setup similar to yours. I have the 360MM AIO in the front and 2 exhaust fans at the top. I have MSI center set to balance so I'm not even throttling the fans and I max out my CPU at 70C when gaming. So it's not the case. Just a shit prebuilt.
I’m an Ignorant console gamer who spent $2300 on this pre built 2 years ago (the aegis that came with i7 and 3070). It was ok for 2 years then the liquid cooler stopped working and my cpu went to 100 degrees. I am replacing the liquid cooler with a Corsair h60x but I don’t think it is enough to save this garbage pre built. What a waste of money. I need to learn how to build my own.
Would be cool if you guys did follow up videos for these prebuilts where you fixed all the shortcomings (keeping the original hardware). Then do a comparison to how it shipped from the factory.
Everyone knows, if you want to make a computer nice and quite, you just have to seal off all the places where air could flow, because that's where sound escapes. lol
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 It did not. It was ~$425. Founders MSRP was $400. I never once saw it below that. Trust me I keep close track of this stuff. Look at the prices of the parts. CPU was ~$280 back then about the same as now. Cheapest GPU in this general performance tier you could possibly get was ~$350 which was a 5700xt. Used stuff in this perf tier wasn't any cheaper. Holy shit we've gone backwards and not just a little. What a crazy time. Just CPU and GPU would be ~$680-750. Then you need memory, PSU, case, mobo. I guess $1k is doable so $1200 might have been an overestimate. Regardless, $1750 for this is criminal. That's nearly 100% inflation that I don't see going away any time soon.
It's an almost identical rig to the $700 Walmart laptop LTT reviewed awhile back and that was during Covid, and as the proud owner of one of those I can tell you they can actually move some air at full chooch.
Been waiting for another review! Here is a thing I feel you guys should do. After testing it how it came out of box, you guys should install a fresh windows, set xmp and the way you would have it setup (no bloatware, power management) and run the same tests again. Would LOVE to see how they compare!! Thanks again guys great review as always.
Yeah, it seems like the "power virus" behavior all came from the BIOS settings and Windows power plan. Reset the BIOS and enable XMP, clean install Windows, and take off the front panel and it seems like you'd actually have a decent PC, other than the bent-but-for-now-functional SSD. This seems like it would be an option in the spirit of this series's conceit of answering the question "what can I recommend to a friend or family member that has an upgrade path and ISN'T me building them a PC and being expected to support it forever."
@Steve, you should do a follow-up video titled "MSI Pre-Built Redemption Story!" where you take all the components, throw them into a GOOD case of comparable pricing, with a non-bloated OS install and then do comparison metrics to show how good the parts could have been had MSI not chosen a junk case and bungled Windows so badly. A bit of a "here's how bad MSI self-owned themselves" for fun. I'd love to see those comparative metrics.
THIS. All the parts including the PSU are non proprietary. You could even choose to do it in another MSI case with actual airflow like the MAG Forge 100R or the MPG Velox 100P to show that this could have been done SO MUCH better just from a hardware perspective.
That seems like a waste of time. Those are regular components, just look up literally any review of them individually, and there is your answer. Not trying to be a dick, but GN wasting time on such a video would just be answered with "yeah, no shit steve, components work when they aren't overheating"
I remember this series starting out as a genuine attempt to find well built prebuilds that are recommendable and not bashing on brebuilds in general. But oh well, I think it turned out to be a disaster for prebuilds in general, since there are so few acceptable or good ones and so many terrible ones.
My Digital Storm pre-built has been phenomenal. 9600k @5ghz all core and a 2070 super overlooked as well, and I hardly break the 60c mark on either of them when doing anything intensive.
Funnily enough, I have the "Ultimate Performance" power plan on my computer, which uses an ASUS board, and it behaves _nothing_ like it does on this MSI system. For one, Task Manager doesn't report CPU utilization at 100% just by copying a file. How MSI set that power plan up is truly bonkers.
Or the hardware they make that is actually good is completely over priced. They were one of the first companies to raise gpu msrps before it became the norm for every AIB to raise msrp. But like they make good gpu’s that are over priced, they make good gen 4 ssd’s that are over priced, they make cases that honestly if they just took the front panel and swapped it with mesh it would be fine but still over priced. Only real parts that you can get from msi at a good price without feeling like you got the bottom of the barrel is motherboards. But if you want their “budget” gpu you get a plastic backplate and a plastic shroud on a 3080. Like if I want a gpu with an extremely marked up over reference msrp I might as well get a strix.
@@Jsteeeez I've noticed that the Nvidia GPU binning seems to be bad on MSI GPU's from my experience as-well. Some other brands tend to get better binned chips also such as EVGA. I agree thermals are not the best especially in their gpu design which may be why they loose performance to thermals depending...
I still like this build more than most that I have seen on this playlist. Someone who is halfway competent could fix half of these issues just by wiping the drive and reinstalling windows. The BIOS settings are worrying, but again very fixable if you know what your doing. Atleast with this one, your not getting a motherboard with a ripped out PCI slot, a weak as hell cooler, and a shit GPU. MSI does need to lower their price, use the airflow version of the case, and QC check their builds more. Hopefully they actually listen to you this time, which is disappointing as I generally like their products.
It's one thing if you're fine with it. Most people aren't competent at all. Secondly, you're messing around with a retail product, where you need to consider warranty issues. Generally, that's not a place where you want to meddle, as you could void that warranty. This is sort of why a warranty exists, so a customer has a path to redress problems with a delivered product. It's not supposed to fall on the customer. Imagine if Teslas came from the factory with several issues, and DIY handy people said it really wasn't that big of a deal, with just a few hours of work. You can like a product and demand an acceptable level of quality and service.
Cept for the other guy in the comments who was competent and found that the 750W PSU was not enough for the 3090 it came with, causing it to crash, the waterblock had plastic on it still that said "please remove before install", temps stayed high unless the front panel was removed, and then the water cooler stopped pushing water. So he had to buy his own 1200W PSU and a new front panel to fix the problems, not to mention all his time spent troubleshooting all these issues including the BIOS issue.
I almost got this PC as my own, there were newer models of the cases that had the half front mesh. I just ended up getting Ibuypower prebuilt which was a better choice in pricing and thermals for me.
The heat load is hilarious, my 2 year old i9-9900KS is still running at 5.03 GHz on all cores/threads and with World of Warships running, as well as 380 Google Chrome tabs open, Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerDirector running a video encode in the background my thermal load rarely breaks 54°, and unlike mu i7-3930k which runs at around 68° this is a amazing difference on the i9-9900KS and I see why it's such a valuable CPU. For this MSI system to run at or near 100° is absolutely 💯 NOT acceptable 🤔 WTF MSI
@@BA-rh5hy It's been good honestly. The only thing that's been bugging me pretty much since I bought it is the power supply fan sometimes sounds like it's hitting something, but it's usually not bad and I can just ignore it. Otherwise it's been fine! It's perfectly capable of playing modern titles with some settings turned down.
MSI usually screws up with power managing. I have a MSI Laptop and it was like having a piece of the sun in your hands until you adjust the power limits. Just by reducing 5% the maximum power amount of the CPU reduced the temps of the CPU from 90+C to 60-70C, with minimal performance loss. I don't know who makes the power profiles for MSI, but it's a catastrophe...
This is a laptop issue in general. They tend to push the limits of the power envelope for the cooling. I generally do this on laptops, to save battery, and even if plugged in, to reduce fan noise. It doesn't end up being 5%, and will go to one dynamic power step lower on the CPU, whatever that may be, probably 15-20%, but it has a huge savings. CPU power consumption is roughly a function of frequency times voltage squared, so reducing frequency 15%, which drops voltage... squared, you get a massive power reduction. If you don't require max performance, it's a no brainer to lower the limit.
I'm pretty sure what you did was disable turbo boost. You may wanna check that you're actually boosting past the cpu's base speeds. Though to be fair, turbo boost on laptops is almost a gimmick
Duet Display is actually a useful app when you need it, as it allows you to use a tablet(s) [Android, iOS] as an external display via cable or LAN. It is trialware, and it being preinstalled however I'd consider it bloatware. Good Alternatives™ if you don't want trialware would be scrcpy (FOSS, Android only) or spacedesk (soon-to-be Freemium, LAN only) if you've got a tablet laying around and would like to use it as an extra monitor. I have spacedesk setup on 2 older nexus tablets and a Pixel C over wifi and connected to the W10 wifi direct hotspot, but also have a Duet license when I may need it. I will probably end up getting a spacdesk pro license once they allow purchasing.
Agree, I have Duet Display on my 2015 Macbook Air and use it with an old iPad 2. Saves the iPad from e-waste and gives me a second screen when I need it. Installed here, it's bloatware, pure and simple.
@@richardcrossley5581 Yes, anything that keeps otherwise good working devices out of the dumpster. And because the Nexus' are IPS displays I can have mostly static windows open in them or videos/podcast apps without worrying about burn-in; or move chats to them when I need to, as latency is not as critical for me when I have those there. The battery endurance on them is still great (80-90%) since I've been keeping the charges at or below 70%. Sidenote: I also have a Nexus 5X setup as a streamdeck/macro pad through Touch Portal constantly plugged in with a charge limit set to 70% 👌
@I'm A Spam Account iirc there have been ways to setup a faux external display with scrcpy but it's buried somewhere in the github issue's thread. Superdisplay is very responsive but is only limited to one concurrent device, and yeah spacedesk can get pretty choppy which is why I have not latency dependent windows there.
Gotta love how MSI's CHEAPER case (the V100R) actually has decent airflow by not completely choking the fans and instead opting for a mostly mesh front panel. It would have benefitted this prebuilt so much.
I've had plenty of ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards that almost always bend my m.2 SSD at least slightly (maybe not as bad, but still). So that part wasn't really surprising to me.
Some motherboards have 2 (thermal or just pressure) pads stacked on each other between like the m.2 60 and m.2 80 length. Depending if your SSD is one or double-side you have to peel one pad off. I wondered if it was the problem here.
Yeah I was a bit surprised GN didn't configure things how they SHOULD be - a bit like taking the front cover off the case for thermal comparison - such as resetting the BIOS or putting sane settings in ( I'm curious as to what would happen with "load optimised defaults"?) and setting up Windows optimally. Then you'd have a "this is what these parts CAN do when not put together by idiots" set of numbers.
@@julian.morgan They've already done this. We know the empirical performance of this CPU and this GPU in a vacuum. The entire point of this series is that the person who would buy this sort of system has little to no knowledge of systems, or has little to no motivation to fix somebody else's incompetence. They want to buy a box, plug it in, and have it work. I'm not going to go buy some garbage car because a carTuber showed me how garbage it was, but that I can invest my time and money in making it workable. I'm just going to go buy something else.
The horrible power management settings on the motherboard and Windows power configuration combined with a cooler that isn't powerful enough for the cpu it was paired with mainly.
MSI used to be my "go to" motherboard and GPU company. That was until I started researching and buying components for my newest build in 5 years. Then reviewers were telling us that the VRM's had thermal issues in the MoBo's I was considering so I decided to try another manufacturer that had better reviews. Now after this and other reviews I wonder if I can trust MSI for anything?! I work too hard for my money to throw it away on shoddy components let alone a prebuilt. Thank you MSI for encouraging me to try other manufacturers which have not failed to impress me.
ALL manufacturers have "subpar" VRMs on some of their motherboards, ALL have cheap components, but looking strictly at their low tier components for "research" is just confirmation bias. MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus all have motherboards with similar quality around the same price, and looking up proper reviews of VRM quality is much more valid than looking at random reviews of people running a 5950x on a $120 board and saying MSI bad. MSI had the crown for numerous generations of AM4 motherboards because they had GOOD VRMs on more budget friendly boards. This is coming from someone that has owned motherboards from all manufacturers, and has bought what meets my needs, and isn't pushing the budget too high. This time around, it was a Gigabyte board, last time it was MSI, and it was Asus back in Haswell.
ASUS is still a pretty decent hardware company, but just don't ever install their garbage tier software, they have a less than zero chance of getting it right. Even my new ASUS board from like a month ago being a Z690 is a great board, but after hours of installing and re-installing their crap I just removed it and went with something else for my CPU, GPU and ARGB.
All companies have good and bag products, we should evaluate by model we want. Everyone talks good about ASUS, went for that and less than 6 months 3 motherboards to RMA. Asus never again, even if the reviewers says it's good. Bought an MSI ITX for my SFF build, amazing board. The downside to that is to have to spend hours researching for every single piece of hardware, nowadays I don't have the same energy to do that.
Reminds me of how I ordered a MSI laptop, and the SSD wasn't even plugged in (it looked kinda like whoever was installing the SSD missed, and instead the end of the ssd where it connects was ON TOP of the port). To be fair it was open box but still. Pretty sure I got a picture of it somewhere
my sister had one where the battery, after just a few years, managed to bloat to epic proportions and crack the case i saved the components by ripping out the battery (affixed professionally to the system with electrical tape and hot glue) and running it off the mains as a gaming-capable set-top box
@@flaccidpringle My mother's old laptop had a dead battery, then replaced it with a new battery part (it puffed up into a pillow and finally gotten a "genuine" battery for it. Then later did the same thing. I had a feeling that Sony had SERIALIZED every laptop batteries!
@@luqdude yeah, generally i advise against getting gaming laptops for anything but the form factor; those batteries become fire hazards after two years at most
Just to clarify what MSI is actually doing in regards to "faking" the CPU load: MSI has enabled the flag for "Processor idle state" which is a hidden power option accessible via the registry. Windows gages the utilization of a CPU based on how much time it spends in its "idle state" which is typically calculated by X = (100% - PERCENTAGE OF TIME IN IDLE STATE). What MSI is doing to "fake" the CPU load is disabling the ability for the CPU to go into an idle state. The result of this is that Windows can no longer track the CPU load due to the fact that the CPU is never reported to be in its "idle state". This means that when Windows calculates how active a CPU is it ends up being an equation of X = (100% - 0%) which equals 100%. It isn't that it's actually at 100% but rather that Windows is unable to track it's utilization.
I'm always glad to see other people having problems with MSI and not just me. I had a laptop and a desktop, both had problems non-stop. Built my own desktop in November and made sure not to buy anything MSI.
Oh dear. I tend to like MSI for their Mobos and some of their GPUs. But this is awful, which is a shame because the system isn't bad, it's all good parts.
I had a MSI board over volt an i9 and it kept getting 100c. I replaced it with a gigabyte and the problem went away and I could overclock again. MSI will do anything to win Benchmarks Include going out of spec
I actually purchased an MSI Aegis a while ago during the graphics card shortage of the 30-series, and was overall quite pleased with it. Mine came with the top of the line 3070 that MSI makes the SUPRIM X version. I added a second 1TB SSD from my old system, replaced the 16GB of RAM is came with with 32GB of Corsair Vengeance, and have really only had three complaints, MSI's mystic light software for RGB control should be better, the 240R MSI liquid cooler it came with died after about 2 years due to a recall issue, I simply replaced it with an NH-D15S, and it came with a 2TB hard drive that I didn't really want or need. otherwise all components were actually of quite good quality and well installed, and of all the research I did on the market I think it was the best bang for your buck out of what was available at the time.
I'm confused - do company's make such awful cases because they're trying to appeal to a customer base that doesn't appreciate airflow / cooling? Imagine if they just made a mesh filter instead of the tempered glass / front triangle thing - not only would it look cool but it'd be functional too.
It hurts to say, but most customers don't care about airflow, many don't even know about it. Solid front panels or glass look more appealing than mesh to many people, so case makers do it. Heck, I willingly bought an NZXT case because I wanted a clean box and they do it best. I take a small thermal hit, but I've got an EK 240 AIO and dual exhaust fans that can muscle though the limitations.
Honestly this pc is one of the better options in my opinion. Alot of the fuckups are easily fixable. All of the parts are off the shelf, and the parts actually decent quality which is way more then most pre builts can say. So now all you gotta do is a fresh install of windows, take off the front panel, and make sure all the power and bios settings are normal, and boom you got a pretty decent pc.
I have the same MB(AMD model). there's a screw mount for shorter SSD that you need to screw off in order to install normal size SSD, otherwise you will damage it.
@@davidstein1445 A professional system builder forgetting to take a spare M.2 standoff out of the motherboard before mounting an SSD is worth trashing.
Wow you guys are real jerks i guess. I'm saying it could have been an honest mistake. You know people do have those. For any sensible person to believe they have a quality issue with their builds they would have to see more then one unit with this problem. I bet gamers nexus could find faults with your systems too. The only difference is msi is a huge company so what they should be hung put to dry because of a screw? They build probably hundreds of unit's a day mistakes a bound to happen more. Unlike when your building your own unit at home and you have all the time in the world to stare at each piece as you put it together.
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At least, you know that you can not go and meet msi, or they are going to push you, from the top of a skyscraper.
Just a heads up. There’s a 1 month old account named “pinned by gamer nexus” that’s spamming some BS link.
Edit: to clarify. The comment I replied too (this one) is NOT the spam account. I was reading comments and kept seeing a “pinned by GN” replying with a whats app number.
Look, since you guys are not going to like any prebuilts anyway, why not starting a business where you mount and sell your own? You guys certainly have the knowledge to do so and even some contacts in china. Plus, you have the youtube channel to advertise it.
I have the ZS. The less expensive AMD-equipped version of this with the grill intake in place of the glass. Their less expensive prebuilt is better than the more expensive one. I replaced the MOBO, CPU, and added a GPU as I bought it last Summer from someone who bought it just to take out the GPU off of eBay for around $550.00. It runs like a champ after my upgrades. I am running an MSI MAG B500M Mortar Wifi, AMD 3800 XT CPU, 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 CL16 ram, MSi A850GF PSU, and an MSI RTX 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio.
I love the peel bait
Ahh, the "It's Better Than Dell" series. On this episode, MSI shows us that it can build a computer and BBQ in the one unit. 😁👍
IIRC, the word "Aegis" is a shield usually associated with Athena/Zeus .
At least the case works as the "Aegis" name implies: It shields all the inner parts from airflow.
Its bios makes it worse than dell. Dell has proprietary board and bios that's just weird but kinda works, This is just a friggen 350watt silicone fuse/heater, best case you part it out and reflash the mobo and scrap the case, similar to ibuypower.
@@CourtesyToot Yeah, any prebuilt is part of the "It's better than Dell" series as I call it. Whether it passes or fails is up to you. In this case, it passes because it can also cook a brisket inside the case in 4hrs. 🤣👍
I ain't buy that for my BBQ my old grill cost less than an MSI PC
You can’t discount the KFConsole though👀
The more I see you guys review these PC's, the more glad I am I decided to put together my first build in September instead of going with a pre-built! 😆
Haha same, I originally was thinking of getting a pre-built to save me the hassle, then I went and did the prices for what I was paying for and realized I could just build my own and save more. My first build was in April and I was so scared I'd break something. Fast forward now and my pc is serving me very well and I'm so glad I am able to upgrade anytime I want.
I will say, in the current climate, a prebuilt you do a little maintenance on is probably the most savvy move. Even the used market is worse than that ATM. But I agree that building is an awesome experience, and it's nice to have full control.
This is quite impressive. They seem to have taken your review of the 500X, went back to the drawing board, and decided they had not yet made the worst product on Earth and felt they had more work to do.
“What is this!? We can make a MUCH worse product easily! Crank up the boost in that CPU! That SSD, bend it! Kick the S$IT out of it!”
i bought an MSI prebuilt in February, it was amazing for about 1 week then couldnt even open a game for more than 10 seconds. after $150 worth of shipping and a few weeks later i finally have a great running pc again, no heat issues, the keyboard is clunky and loud but ok, the mouse i have no complaints about. Overall the RMA process and overall customer service in my experience is very good, in the future ill probably look to build my own, however for people like me that were nervous getting into the PC building hobby i would highly recoomend MSI.
Are you okay? Dont recommend MSI!
@@Dave-dh7rt yeah the product was faulty but they did everything to fix it so in the end I’m happy with it even with the minor inconvenience
It should've been built properly in the first place!
Daisychain PCI-E solution, is okay up to 300W, as long as the AWG is specified to handle 25 Amps (@12V). it is on high quality PSU's. But some use AWG, that is specced to handle 16-18 Amps (200-225W max). Some lower powered units has a multiple rail config, which has maybe a 18A limitation on the 12V that feed the PCI-E cable. Which is more safe. Better to have a PSU shutting off, than the risk of cable melting.
The PSU used here, is Delta. They overall make excellent PSUs. Even with medium quality parts, they build them to last, because they build them properly. Should be dimensined properly according to rail power.
Walmart: "You knew our quality is bottom of the barrel."
Steve: "Really? It can't be worse than this."
Dell: "Hold my beer."
MSI: "Forget Dell, wait 'til you see this one."
Thanks, Steve.
You just know dell is not going to take this lose laying down. They will have an answer in the coming months.
@@chemislife oi, no wonder we have global warming
@@mariastevens6406 obviously you have to create the problem in order for you to come up with the solution right?
Back to you, Steve!
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 ya Ikr lol
A little bit disappointed you didn't perform a toast test.
Just bought this from Costco days ago.looked like a dope setup,now it is back at Costco.
Thank you for saving me from my ignorance!
Some extra nitpicking on 27:05 - the BIOS has only two extremes: "Boxed Cooler" 65W and 255W for the other two options. Make the "Tower Cooler" setting something like 125W, and it will make far more sense.
I for one think MSI's expansion into BBQs & Smokers is an ambitious & bold move.
you know, that thing where they're messing with the clock speed to report 100% load sounds a lot like the Volkswagen emission data manipulation....
That should tell you enough about that
I am so glad for your reports, Nexus. You do the community a great service. Can you comment on gaming laptops?
After watching alot of reviews for prebuilds, I would never recommend anyone buy one. Maybe it's just negativity sells, but I've maybe seen 1 or 2 reviews where I wouldn't have felt completely ripped off. It just absolutely blows my mind the shit they pull. Correct parts and proper installation are simply non negotiable, and these are the two main problems I see time and time again. So glad I took my time, did the research and built my own pc.
I also always advise everyone to build their own PCs. If they're stubborn I just redirect them to this playlist lol
"so... You know where this is going."
The landfill?
Duet Display is really quite useful if you have an iPad, but it has no business being pre-installed on a PC.
I initially misread the title as "MSI Pre-Bends SSDs", which was very funny.
MSI is the company that hears from GN about how cases with low airflow reduce working life of components, gets dollar signs in their eyes and further reduces airflow on the next case
Cases like these just show how common it is for marketing teams to take over the engineering and design for tech products including pc cases. Always a catastrophe
You couldn't pay me to build in an MSI case (unless I was building a computer to cook things inside of it)
Weird how you get "less" stuff (more airflow) with a more expensive case than a cheap/crappy case.
I see a triangle shaped grill on top and bottom front, unless there are no holes in it.
My cousin bought one and his AIO for the CPU was upside down and no outake. Well the AIO was acting as the outtake and I convinced him to move it up top to be an intake but does not have an outtake fan. (will probably make one himself). He doesn't trust himself enough to get real deep into the bios and reinstall the OS so he took it to geek squad. We shall see how geek squad fixes it but they gave him the excuse that he fried a part when everything works lol .
Why does it feel like MSI be using RMA'd parts in their prebuilds.
I bought this exact PC, same price, same specs except I have a 2070 Super in mine instead of the 2060 Super and I have none of these problems in mine, you may have gotten a bad one or maybe whoever built yours was not experienced. The bloatware was annoying in the beginning but it’s easy to uninstall a lot of that. The airflow is something you can’t really change cuz it’s the same case and my system does get warm but it’s not completely overheating in mine. I also added an SSD to mine and checked the one that came with it and mine was not bent at all. I do a ton of optimizations to any PC I get (I have a system :p) so maybe that’s part of the reason mine does not perform like this example, so this may be slightly biased.
This case isn't THAT bad. I imagine they messed up with mounting the cooler. There's some ventilation on the sides, top and bottom front panel but the glass front is definitely a bad desicion. I've used the 110R on a build I did for someone, and temperatures were fine- nothing above 80c while gaming with a 5600x, 3070, and MSI 240R AIO. Except maybe the GPU hotspot peaking at 81c. Of course not up to the standards of an airflow focused review channel, but the case was only $70, has 4 RGB fans, looks great and is fine for the components we used it with.
Do a rebuild with these components in this case and see what the results will be using a well ventilated case.
Msi thermalpaste and pads are horrible. My gl73 8se (2060 laptop) dropped 20C with a repaste using 5+ years old paste included with a 212 Evo.
I would love to see a guide tuning pre-built systems, bios, Intel xtu etc. Specially computers with add on "tuning" programs like msi dragon center. Would be nice to make the best use of the hardware with some tinkering.
I thought at least the components would have made up for the price. Nope. My first PC was a prebuilt and it came with an i7-8700k and RTX 2070. For $100 less.
I will never buy a prebuilt, I like to have as much control over aesthetics, components, assembly and performance as possible.
Many system builders seem to drop the ball on one or all of these criteria.
setting the minimum processor state to 100% in the "Ultimate" power setting is absolutely hilarious
Honestly, this is a great candidate for a case mod project. Take that front panel and just cut or drill a bunch of holes into the plastic for airflow, remove the glass if possible and put on some mesh, then maybe add in two intake fans at the top and then flush the Windows Install. You end up with something that might actually be usable.
I contacted MSI because apparently there is a mesh front version but they charge me 40 Bucks for the replacement mesh front. NOPE. So i just dremeld some nice slots in the front metal panel and its great. Thanks for the idea
"I have a great idea! Let's sell trash!"
💀💀me with my system that i built for 650$ with Ryzen 5 3500 Rtx 2070S 16GB 3200 C16 dual channel memory, and the amd stock cooler where cpu temps are at highest 85 when rendering in adobe PP or AE, even cinebench, and gpu temps 75 max in fur mark -- (i feel proud)
i've always wondered, why tf are they putting matx boards in an atx case? seems like a waste of the case's expansion capabilities
Msi: "OH we'll just mess with the software so it won't say it's thermal throttling. They'll never know."
Steve: "I know."
You can't hide your sins from Tech Jesus
*Squeaks in Encanto*
Thank you so much for reviewing this and warning everyone. I bought one of these unfortunately - there were a few limitations to what I could buy, long story. Has a 10700k and RTX 3090. When it arrived, the CPU jumped to 100 C with any task. I took the PC apart and found the "Please Remove Before Install" sticker still on the water cooler block (I have pics...). Took that off, repasted, temps improved, but not great. Found the same problem you found - the BIOS settings were pushing it to maximum clock without fail. Tweaked, temps again improved, but not great. I pulled off the front panel, temps were much better. I contacted MSI and bought the mesh equivalent of the front panel (from the Gungnir 111M or something similar). Temps were finally manageable. Then the computer started crashing consistently during every machine learning or gaming session. Turns out the 750W PSU could not handle the power spikes from the 3090. MSI tried to replace the PSU with the same one - same problem. I got sick of it and replaced it with a much better 1200 W one. After all that, my CPU temps returned to 100C. Realized the water cooler was no longer pushing water. Replaced that... Now I finally have a working computer, months and hundreds of dollars later.
Jesus christ.
So sorry. I had almost a year of fights with MSI over a motherboard of theirs that I replaced three times, each taking over a month to replace, and the board killing ALL MY OTHER PARTS, before calling it quits and spending over $400 on a new board by Asus. MSI is just a shit company overall and that board was the first and only product I'll ever buy from them.
@@starwinter6845 I have a B450 TOMAHAWK good thing it didn't ever act up (I have this machine for like a year, DIY)
God bless your patience lmao
@@starwinter6845 I bought the tomahawk and it's awesome but I think that was what they made after their terrible motherboard fiasco from an earlier generation
MSI took "Compress this drive to save space" to a new level!
> MSI took disk compression to a new level
I think that's a funnier way to word it, just a suggestion
@@waldolemmer "Compress this drive to save space" was the exact wording of this feature in WIndows XP which is what I think he was going for, the question is did anyone actually use it?
@@gp3000000 It works great for storage drives (Meaning less used drives).
@@tommymoore9443 Unfortunately, basically everything I'd ever want to store is already in a compressed format so that does nothing but slow it down.
@@gp3000000 I am because Acer thought it was acceptable to ship a Windows 10 laptop in 2018 with just THIRTY-TWO GIGABYTES OF STORAGE.
I have to do an in-place upgrade with a USB to even update it lmao because it doesn't even have enough space to download the update files
It's so baffling that company that actually has enough R&D to manufacture their own hardware couldn't figure out how to assemble few off the shelf parts competently.
IKR? How did they screw it up this badly?! There's apparently nothing wrong with any of the components (except for the case), and many of these components are actually pretty good, and yet somehow they managed to find a way to make the system terrible, and in a way which goes beyond just having bad case ventilation.
I think they make these to get rid of old stock
Remember MSI is a company of hundreds. With very smart engineers that manufacture these components BUT the guy who built this computer and the guy who did the software setup (sometimes the same) is a poorly paid dude who works in a warehouse all day. Some care about their work quality some don’t just like every company in the world. The important thing is wether or not they fix the issues awesome people like this show the world.
@@jlurenzjr no real way to "fix" these issues unless the person who bought the computer is familiar with tech enough to just nuke all the software and start again new.
@@syncmonism Speaking off cases...
I have an NZXT H210i
And tzhe front panel is just a solid piece, so I thought it is bad for the temps... but it isn't.
It's a mini itx case and i have powerful hardware etc. (and a terrible thermal paste job on the CPU, long story lol) but.... it doesn't matter if the Front panel is on or not.
How? Like how does it get enough air? The case in the video has an issue with this, the 210i has literally a solid plate as a front panel. It only can suck in air through two abgout 2.5cm wide stripes next to the intake fans and from the bottom below the front panel since it's completely open there and even made wider, probably to suck in air...
Like why does it work? It makes no sense to me, the total area can't be that much larger in my case then in the one in the video?
Steve, after buying my last computer pre-built four years ago, I ultimately decided to finally learn how to build a PC. There’s no question I’ve made more than a few mistakes pricewise, but in the end I’m sure that the last two computers I’ve put together for my kids and my wife, combined, were cheaper than any pre-built I’ve ever bought previously.
Not to mention it’s very satisfying when you hit that power button and it posts. I’ve learned a lot from watching your channel as well as Jay and Paul.
To all new builders out there, it’s not as hard as you think! If I can do it anyone can
Once the good parts start to go down in price im sure more people will get into building computers
thats really cool to hear! my prebuilt is nearly 4 years old now as well, and I'm planing to build my own computer to fit my demands. All the midrange prebuilts are a hit and miss, so it'll be much more reliable to build it myself.
Oh dear, looks like Steve has a copycat here 🤔
Time to see if the spam report works on TH-cam
I love that last sentence and hope it encourages anyone afraid to try PC DIY to try it!
@@GamersNexus -how come you pinned the fake Chinese (assuming because of WhatsApp) bot account? That will just confuse viewers-
Ignore, just trickery and mobile woes
The lack of quality control on prebuilt PCs is just astounding.
You just have to buy from the right places. NZXT has pretty good stuff, though airflow in cases could be better. Got a PC w/ 3070 Ti, 5900x for 1900 about 6 months ago. It's been running like a charm, though I did have to turn up fan curve, especially on GPU.
@@Mihoshika yeah, the one case I’ve bought from them was the h510 Flow because I was afraid of bad airflow, it’s been fine since.
I’ve been thinking about getting an h1 v2 for my next upgrade, and I’ve already decided if I do I’m adding on more fans.
NZXT is just not great for anything other than looks and build quality (and the last one only very slightly). Plus a lot of people don’t like how their products look.
@time is near what kind of weird cult shit is this.
Pretty sure the quality control on actual diy pcs aren’t any better than this.. and with so many opportunities to screw things up for the average person this is likely a step up
As someone who runs a small pre-built PC company, I like watching these videos to educate myself, and I can say allot of these errors I ensure aren't made, and for large OEM's, I think allot of this is cost cutting/simply not caring.
The biggest one that stood out to me on this review was the 100C on the CPU, we test all products, CPU, GPU, Ram, max load prior to shipping out a system, if it has temp issues, we notice immediately.
The last thing you want is a customer returning the product because its lagging, trashing your business in reviews, calling you a scammer, etc etc, its not worth it.
When it comes to immediate throttles, those things show themselves within minutes, its the last piece in the process to make sure the build was done correctly, not sure how OEM's miss this or even allow a system to ship with the ability to thermal throttle.
I know these companies are making BANK compared to what I do on each system with all their pre-installed bloat non-sense, wholesale discounts, etc etc.
There is no excuse for systems to come out with issues like this.
Even if you wanted to blame employees, its still their fault at the end of the day, my employees understand I'm a perfectionist, and each system will be perfect, people aren't paying for amateur to build their stuff, if they were, they could do it themselves.
At the end of the day though, marketing and money speak way more than your product, any decent business person knows that.
Rookie mistake installing an M.2 heatsink on top of one of those Adata M.2s.
They come with an aluminum heatspreader installed from factory (which is very difficult to remove due to an adhesive thermal pad being used), that adds height and most motherboard included heatsinks will crush it even if not tightened all the way.
This is worse than just over-tightening, it's reckless and could cost the customer time and money should it kill the part.
Not to mention lost data.
I got that PC are you saying I should remove the heatsink?
Uhh sorry for late reply but i bought a kingston fury renegade ssd and it came with a heat spreader, i removed the spreader and installed a heatsink on it and noticed a nice heat decrease. So did i do a bad thing? The ssd is working perfectly fine though, crystaldiskmark said its reading and writing at 7gb/s so its normal.
I'm always amazed by these because you can put parts in a case, leave everything at default never touching the bios or any settings and end up with a perfectly workable computer. Sure that's not optimal but it works, yet here we are.
The new intel chips sometimes come out of the box needing an undervolt at least for my i7 12700k. Very unstable temps so I undervolted slightly and got better performance with normal temps
Exactly! I used to overclock from like 2006-12, but when I got my 8 core cpu ddr4 ram, pcie4 ssd and GPU in 2019, I saw no reason to overclock
@@headphonesz6527 that's kinda where I'm at currently I'm looking to finally build a new computer, and well don't laugh but my current computer was my first build which wouldn't be an issue except I built it in like 2013 or so...
2022 still rocking my 4.5ghz i7-2600k, Radeon HD-7950, and 8gb of ddr3 ram.
It still plays the games I want to play, and like works, but software is becoming an issue now lol windows 11 doesn't like the hardware, and now that the 12600k came out I feel that it's only appropriate to go from a 2600k to a 12600k
Just enable expo and leave it at that
Hearing you say its one of the worst computers you have worked on in the first minute of the video.
Me: wow this must be bad.
Dell: so we technically win the its better than dell award? 🥇
@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus Hey uh GN can you go run that spam bot filter by ThioJoe again or smth
Thanks Steeze, back to you
@time is near weird cult
The first M.2 SSD I ever installed I ended up installing incorrectly. I didn't know the little standoff was a thing and I had never seen one of these drives installed before. The drive ran for about 3-4 years installed at a ~10 degree angle until it finally died. When I repaired the computer and replaced the drive, I was shocked that I did something so dumb.
@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus idiots
@♜ Pinned by Gamers Nexus Ur messing with the wrong guy trust me, Ur not that guy 🤣
@@TheJukebox92 stand off for the screw. Older ones were elevated kinda like MBs. Now, they're really flush.
@@TheJukebox92 As long as you didn't install your m.2 in a way that bends it or has it under constant pressure, you're fine!
You live and learn. We all made mistakes and broke stuff, even when we knew what we were doing and should have known better :D
Woah woah woah buddy, "Boil CPU at 100 degrees"? I don't think that's accurate, because you see, I contacted Alienware about a decade ago about a laptop I had which was going at 105-110 degrees, and they assured me that these processors were made for gaming. According to these specialists, it's totally normal for them to be hotter than the boiling point of water.
Well it's alien tech, their water boils at higher temps.
es normal tener esas temperaturas en una laptop, en un equipo de escritorio no es aceptable debido a que tienes el espacio para poner una refrigeración decente
That's the typical marketing bs for noobs. It's like having the car dealer tell you that you can keep your brand-new car's engine revved at 6000 rpm 24/7, no problem whatsoever.
laptops can handle higher temperatures than desktops, they're designed for it
@@StevenMussels Mostly because they are not upgradeable, so you won't even notice its shorter lifespan compared to a desktop.
'Unlike Ibuypower they put foam inside'. Having moved at least 20 of these boxes to clients, I never saw a single one that didn't have ample foam protection. The fact they sent YOU guys one without, is stunning to me.
Maybe they stared doing it after being called out in public
@@cat-.- They've been padding their RDY build and custom builds for years prior to Nexusgamers review. Additionally, I don't doubt they indeed do this - it's not an assumption of them lying, it's just simply so unlike the company standard, and their insurance policy with FedEx.
@@cat-.- I have had my iBuyPower PC for almost a year and it came with foam packing inside but it was something I had to select. You can order the build without foam packing. Likely what happened in this case.
I believe GN purchases these anonymously
You seriously give clients these monstrosities? How the Hell are you still business? Most customers will let a boo boo or 2 slip through, not 20 of them.
The price just seems insane to me even before they messed up the performance of the components.
Yea, you could build this exact computer yourself for way less...
@@brucepreston3927 if you can get the gpu lol
Agree. I bought a laptop that can crush this machine for less money.
@@jakesully2868 Which brand is it from?
@@Joze1090 you could way overpay for one on ebay and still come out ahead...
Here's a fun idea: take all the internals and throw them in a generic tower case, and see how the thermals stack up in the "basic beige behemoth." It would be interesting to see if some el-cheapo case has better airflow...
It does. Many great airflow cases for under 150 dollaz
@@prla5400 I think by el cheapo he means less than 60 bucks
@@prla5400 150 dollars doesn't sound cheap lol
They already did this one with the front panel off. That's pretty close to open air which you're not gonna get much better than
No case is going to have better thermals than taking the front panel off, and that still didn't solve the problem. The case is bad, but the real problem is the bizarre BIOS and power settings that force this CPU to run at full wattage for even simple tasks. Modern CPUs are absolutely not designed to be used that way.
As an old diehard MSI customer, their quality has dropped tremendously over the last decade. I remember when I had issues with some monitors and 1000 series GPUs and, while they didn't reimburse you for the shipping costs, made up for it by upgrading your current product. I remember having a 60hz 1080p monitor that they replaced with a 90hz 1440p monitor, or a 1070 with no display output that got shipped back as a 1080 ti. It didn't cost the company that much more, as they only lost $100-200 USD when they upgraded you, your defective product can be fixed and sent to another gamer instead of to a landfill, and you felt satisfied with the result as an end user.
Nowadays, their customer service and product quality is a shell of its former self. You can definitely tell that there are great workers in the company, but the air is just so intoxicated with corporate bs that it undermines what they used to stand for less than ten years ago. Hope they go under new management and go back to doing things because they made sense, not cents.
Sounds like the situation with many other well known brands, the bean counters have taken over and started squeezing all of the value out in the name of shareholder value.
That's really horrible
If we can't rely on MSI anymore, who do we buy from? I dropped Gigabyte a few years ago since their boards seemed to get less reliable. I dropped Asus 15 years ago for the same reason. I don't think Asus got any better meanwhile.
Msi God like....it makes dragon sounds 👏👏👐👏👐👏
Remember when MSI Returns & Warranty dept was 2 old guys in a garage? Seems they got promoted to heads of MSI QC.
The really sad thing is, by simply using a case with airflow, correctly installing the SSD, and not adding bloatware, this system would actually make some sense.
I thought that might be the case too, but the thermals remained garbage even with the case opened up. While the bloatware would make the CPU run hotter on low loads I don't think it would effect the torture test's (thermal) results much. The problem is the cooler - the V5 is good at what it does, but it's got a TDP of 150w and a 10700 under load will go past 200w.
I think MSI knew the Vetroo was cheap and had a good public image (again, it's great at what it's designed for), so it was an easy marketing move to install it even though it's asking way too much of the poor thing. If you reset the bios, reinstalled the OS, and changed the case out you'd still need to replace the V5 with something that's rated about 100w higher.
@@candorcore3502 True. That cooler is being pushed to or past its limits for sure. Def agree with your assessment on why they went with it anyways.
With a 2060? For $1,750? Why would you use such a low end card in such an expensive system?
@@anakinlowground5515 Didn't say it would be a good deal. Also GPU prices have only recently gone way down.
@@802Garage Fair enough.
It is a truly sad day when a computer component manufacturer does not know how to properly assemble computers from components it manufacturers itself, a very sad, sad, day.
It is not MSI that build them, pretty sure it will be a third party, supplied by Msi. It wouldn't be very feasible to ship PC's from Taiwan. It's still the fault of whatever Msi branch that subs out though. QC and training of the 3rd party is dog turd for sure.
I work for a small computer repair shop and recently had one of these come in. They forgot to take the plastic sticker (that says "please remove before mounting") off the bottom of the cpu cooler and it cooked the cpu. Brilliant.
🤦♂
If it was a prebuilt I'd blame the shop where they bought it. Users are clueless, the shop should've reminded them of simple stuff like that. They're buying a damn prebuilt, it goes without saying that user probably doesn't know how computers work and was likely afraid of messing with it and breaking something.
Just a short reminder would've been sufficient. "When you get home and connect it to your mouse/keyboard/monitor, please also remember to remove this sticker."
Lol
@@pjavilla I would hope that a prebuilt computer manufacturer didn’t expect the consumer to mount the hardware for them otherwise what’s the actual point?
@@pjavilla Don't really get your comment, if it is a pre-built then the customer is not supposed to install the Cpu cooler themselve. It should pretty much be plug and play on the customers' part.
hot damn, this Aegis is one to avoid for sure
just built one... it's fun, easy, and you learn something
Well it's off-the-shelf parts, so you just have to rip the front panel off, remount the cpu cooler, remount the ssd, format the drive and install a clean copy of an operating system, tweak the cpu power settings in the bios, change the ram speeds in the bios, and rip off the plastic backplate and it should be... functional.
@@ffwast and at that point you have almost built it yourself lol
I keep seeing "just build it" but most of the time pcpartpicker shows a price higher than prebuilds... just a reminder that we're not exactly in normal markets. Double check everything.
@@QuantumConundrum Just budget in the best parts you can get. Yes you can sometimes get a slightly higher skew of GPU in a pre-built, but it's not going to perform to it's maximum capabilities as most of these pre-builts have flaws that are detrimental to performance. Mostly because SI's are trying to save money in other ways. So if you pick some parts that make sense together and put them in a decent case, it's going to outperform a similarly priced pre-built 99% of the time.
The Ultimate Power Plan is usually only available with "Windows Pro for Workstations" which is a sku used for multi-socket cpu monsters with features closer to Windows Server. It's possible to "hack" the power plan into regular Windows Pro. If that was a Not a "Windows Pro for Workstations" OS, they hacked that in. If by chance it came pre-installed with it, then it shows they're incompetent cause a single socket gaming system will never be able to take advantage of it.
I am not sure using command promt counts as hacking but I get what you mean
powercfg -duplicatescheme e9a42b02-d5df-448d-aa00-03f14749eb61
I have it on my MSI pre-built but and I have Windows 10 Home
@@Iowcatalyst Yep, that's why I put "hack" in quotes.
I'm assuming they're WinReg settings,
these didn't use to be considered "hacks".
I can use it on windows 10 and 11 pro from a factory reset
That plastic backplate is good for one thing only: Keeping screws and other metal bits from falling onto the GPU unnoticed and causing a short. Or water from a leaky water block connection.
that's not a good excuse, they could easily make a metal backplate for not much more money. even cheap metal like magnesium would be better than plastic.
Would be interesting to add a section in the video called "fixing issues" or maybe make a new playlist of videos called "fixing pre-builts" where you guys show simple things that could fix some of the problems. This would be very useful for people that already bought a pre-built and are looking for ways to try to fix them.
I will imagine anyone who is capable of fixing the issues will instead just build the system themselves
I love Steve for mercilessly and knowingly teasing my OCD with the plastic on the glass.
They’re sending the PC back.
@@muckymucks no they dont, he literally says at the end "we will give it to someone - in pieces".
MSI’s innovation should be applauded. They have invented the PC/Airfryer.
KFC had the patent and prototype. MSI actually got one out on the market.
Lol. MSI Ageis Airfryer. Eat and game without leaving your chair.
It's interesting seeing the thermals and settings issues on this one, as I have a computer from this same line. Admittedly a much higher end one as it came with an RTX 3090, but it was the same exact case physically, and I ran it for a year without issues, prior to scavenging it to use the 3090 in a custom build. But I have a suspicion that the only reason it worked well was they used a 240mm liquid cooler exhausting out of the top of the case, and with the rear exhaust and the front fans, and that radiator with its fans, likely had enough pressure to minimize the effect of the shitty case. I'm wondering how much they bothered customizing the BIOS settings for all of the different Aegis PCs- while they use a common case, they include everything from an RTX 2060 to a 3090 OC, and some with pure air setups or some with 120mm or 240mm liquid coolers. If they used just one set of BIOS configurations and flashed them all the same, it might explain some of the garbage settings.
You are right, at 21:30 you see the CPU Cooler Tuning is set to Water Cooler
Yeah I have one with an RTX 3080 and i7 11700kf and it came with a 120mm aio for some reason. After I replaced that with a 240mm one on the top it's been running fantastic. I don't think it came with Norton either but I might have uninstalled it when I got it.
Exactly. I have the Gungnir 110R with a setup similar to yours. I have the 360MM AIO in the front and 2 exhaust fans at the top. I have MSI center set to balance so I'm not even throttling the fans and I max out my CPU at 70C when gaming. So it's not the case. Just a shit prebuilt.
What kind of person buys a computer and doesn't build it 😂
n00b...
@@samholdsworth420 i guess the same people that buy phones and don't build them smhsmh
I’m an Ignorant console gamer who spent $2300 on this pre built 2 years ago (the aegis that came with i7 and 3070). It was ok for 2 years then the liquid cooler stopped working and my cpu went to 100 degrees. I am replacing the liquid cooler with a Corsair h60x but I don’t think it is enough to save this garbage pre built. What a waste of money. I need to learn how to build my own.
Thermal pate on the pins would top this off perfectly.
I'm thinking liver or maybe salmon. ;D
Expecting a statement from the MSI within 48 hours given how much traction GN has gained with his reviews
Would be cool if you guys did follow up videos for these prebuilts where you fixed all the shortcomings (keeping the original hardware). Then do a comparison to how it shipped from the factory.
Everyone knows, if you want to make a computer nice and quite, you just have to seal off all the places where air could flow, because that's where sound escapes. lol
that's not quite how quiet works
lol
Jesus. That CPU GPU combo was a $800 budget build back before Covid.
and thank GAWD I built one
Eh, $800 is pretty much impossible even back then. This is ~$1200. Card alone is ~$425.
@@LiveType He specified pre covid, back then this GPU cost around 250$ MSRP.
And even pre covid it would have been cheaper, maybe 700$ or 750$ total.
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 It did not. It was ~$425. Founders MSRP was $400. I never once saw it below that. Trust me I keep close track of this stuff. Look at the prices of the parts. CPU was ~$280 back then about the same as now. Cheapest GPU in this general performance tier you could possibly get was ~$350 which was a 5700xt. Used stuff in this perf tier wasn't any cheaper. Holy shit we've gone backwards and not just a little. What a crazy time.
Just CPU and GPU would be ~$680-750. Then you need memory, PSU, case, mobo. I guess $1k is doable so $1200 might have been an overestimate. Regardless, $1750 for this is criminal. That's nearly 100% inflation that I don't see going away any time soon.
It's an almost identical rig to the $700 Walmart laptop LTT reviewed awhile back and that was during Covid, and as the proud owner of one of those I can tell you they can actually move some air at full chooch.
Been waiting for another review!
Here is a thing I feel you guys should do.
After testing it how it came out of box, you guys should install a fresh windows, set xmp and the way you would have it setup (no bloatware, power management) and run the same tests again. Would LOVE to see how they compare!!
Thanks again guys great review as always.
Yeah, that would be an eye opener for many. Out of the box performance vs the do-over.
Yes, I agree with this completely. To show just how much performance the manufacturers are leaving on the table.
Yeah, it seems like the "power virus" behavior all came from the BIOS settings and Windows power plan. Reset the BIOS and enable XMP, clean install Windows, and take off the front panel and it seems like you'd actually have a decent PC, other than the bent-but-for-now-functional SSD.
This seems like it would be an option in the spirit of this series's conceit of answering the question "what can I recommend to a friend or family member that has an upgrade path and ISN'T me building them a PC and being expected to support it forever."
@Steve, you should do a follow-up video titled "MSI Pre-Built Redemption Story!" where you take all the components, throw them into a GOOD case of comparable pricing, with a non-bloated OS install and then do comparison metrics to show how good the parts could have been had MSI not chosen a junk case and bungled Windows so badly. A bit of a "here's how bad MSI self-owned themselves" for fun.
I'd love to see those comparative metrics.
THIS. All the parts including the PSU are non proprietary. You could even choose to do it in another MSI case with actual airflow like the MAG Forge 100R or the MPG Velox 100P to show that this could have been done SO MUCH better just from a hardware perspective.
That seems like a waste of time. Those are regular components, just look up literally any review of them individually, and there is your answer. Not trying to be a dick, but GN wasting time on such a video would just be answered with "yeah, no shit steve, components work when they aren't overheating"
I remember this series starting out as a genuine attempt to find well built prebuilds that are recommendable and not bashing on brebuilds in general. But oh well, I think it turned out to be a disaster for prebuilds in general, since there are so few acceptable or good ones and so many terrible ones.
My Digital Storm pre-built has been phenomenal. 9600k @5ghz all core and a 2070 super overlooked as well, and I hardly break the 60c mark on either of them when doing anything intensive.
Exactly. Used to be finding the good. Now it's finding the bad, so the good stands out. Same goal different approach.
Funnily enough, I have the "Ultimate Performance" power plan on my computer, which uses an ASUS board, and it behaves _nothing_ like it does on this MSI system. For one, Task Manager doesn't report CPU utilization at 100% just by copying a file. How MSI set that power plan up is truly bonkers.
Because your motherboard has zero influence on power plans. They are windows power plans. They just took an existing power plan and edited it.
I feel like MSI has become the evil dragon in the PC space over the past few years.
Or the hardware they make that is actually good is completely over priced. They were one of the first companies to raise gpu msrps before it became the norm for every AIB to raise msrp. But like they make good gpu’s that are over priced, they make good gen 4 ssd’s that are over priced, they make cases that honestly if they just took the front panel and swapped it with mesh it would be fine but still over priced. Only real parts that you can get from msi at a good price without feeling like you got the bottom of the barrel is motherboards. But if you want their “budget” gpu you get a plastic backplate and a plastic shroud on a 3080. Like if I want a gpu with an extremely marked up over reference msrp I might as well get a strix.
Always has been.
@@Jsteeeez I've noticed that the Nvidia GPU binning seems to be bad on MSI GPU's from my experience as-well. Some other brands tend to get better binned chips also such as EVGA. I agree thermals are not the best especially in their gpu design which may be why they loose performance to thermals depending...
I still like this build more than most that I have seen on this playlist. Someone who is halfway competent could fix half of these issues just by wiping the drive and reinstalling windows. The BIOS settings are worrying, but again very fixable if you know what your doing. Atleast with this one, your not getting a motherboard with a ripped out PCI slot, a weak as hell cooler, and a shit GPU. MSI does need to lower their price, use the airflow version of the case, and QC check their builds more. Hopefully they actually listen to you this time, which is disappointing as I generally like their products.
It's one thing if you're fine with it. Most people aren't competent at all. Secondly, you're messing around with a retail product, where you need to consider warranty issues. Generally, that's not a place where you want to meddle, as you could void that warranty. This is sort of why a warranty exists, so a customer has a path to redress problems with a delivered product. It's not supposed to fall on the customer. Imagine if Teslas came from the factory with several issues, and DIY handy people said it really wasn't that big of a deal, with just a few hours of work. You can like a product and demand an acceptable level of quality and service.
Cept for the other guy in the comments who was competent and found that the 750W PSU was not enough for the 3090 it came with, causing it to crash, the waterblock had plastic on it still that said "please remove before install", temps stayed high unless the front panel was removed, and then the water cooler stopped pushing water. So he had to buy his own 1200W PSU and a new front panel to fix the problems, not to mention all his time spent troubleshooting all these issues including the BIOS issue.
I almost got this PC as my own, there were newer models of the cases that had the half front mesh. I just ended up getting Ibuypower prebuilt which was a better choice in pricing and thermals for me.
hate to break it to you but IBP doesn't have a great track record either
learn to roll your own
@@iClapBooty seemingly better than this mess though.
@@Underskore can't disagree with that lol
@time is near cult
The heat load is hilarious, my 2 year old i9-9900KS is still running at 5.03 GHz on all cores/threads and with World of Warships running, as well as 380 Google Chrome tabs open, Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerDirector running a video encode in the background my thermal load rarely breaks 54°, and unlike mu i7-3930k which runs at around 68° this is a amazing difference on the i9-9900KS and I see why it's such a valuable CPU.
For this MSI system to run at or near 100° is absolutely 💯 NOT acceptable 🤔 WTF MSI
The first thing I did when I bought my MSI Aegis R (3060, 10700f) was do a fresh install of Windows. Haven’t had a problem with it since.
How do you like your computer so far? I'm on the fence of buying it
@@BA-rh5hy It's been good honestly. The only thing that's been bugging me pretty much since I bought it is the power supply fan sometimes sounds like it's hitting something, but it's usually not bad and I can just ignore it. Otherwise it's been fine! It's perfectly capable of playing modern titles with some settings turned down.
@@samdajellybeenie14 awesome, ty for the heads up. I just picked one up tonight and going to start with a fresh install of windows 11.
@@BA-rh5hy Nice, have fun!
Would love to see your perfect pc. Built from scratch, with your prefer case, motherboard, CPU etc etc. Let us see the parts you would use.
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MSI usually screws up with power managing. I have a MSI Laptop and it was like having a piece of the sun in your hands until you adjust the power limits. Just by reducing 5% the maximum power amount of the CPU reduced the temps of the CPU from 90+C to 60-70C, with minimal performance loss. I don't know who makes the power profiles for MSI, but it's a catastrophe...
This is a laptop issue in general. They tend to push the limits of the power envelope for the cooling. I generally do this on laptops, to save battery, and even if plugged in, to reduce fan noise. It doesn't end up being 5%, and will go to one dynamic power step lower on the CPU, whatever that may be, probably 15-20%, but it has a huge savings. CPU power consumption is roughly a function of frequency times voltage squared, so reducing frequency 15%, which drops voltage... squared, you get a massive power reduction. If you don't require max performance, it's a no brainer to lower the limit.
I'm pretty sure what you did was disable turbo boost. You may wanna check that you're actually boosting past the cpu's base speeds. Though to be fair, turbo boost on laptops is almost a gimmick
Duet Display is actually a useful app when you need it, as it allows you to use a tablet(s) [Android, iOS] as an external display via cable or LAN. It is trialware, and it being preinstalled however I'd consider it bloatware.
Good Alternatives™ if you don't want trialware would be scrcpy (FOSS, Android only) or spacedesk (soon-to-be Freemium, LAN only) if you've got a tablet laying around and would like to use it as an extra monitor.
I have spacedesk setup on 2 older nexus tablets and a Pixel C over wifi and connected to the W10 wifi direct hotspot, but also have a Duet license when I may need it. I will probably end up getting a spacdesk pro license once they allow purchasing.
Agree, I have Duet Display on my 2015 Macbook Air and use it with an old iPad 2. Saves the iPad from e-waste and gives me a second screen when I need it.
Installed here, it's bloatware, pure and simple.
@@richardcrossley5581 Yes, anything that keeps otherwise good working devices out of the dumpster.
And because the Nexus' are IPS displays I can have mostly static windows open in them or videos/podcast apps without worrying about burn-in; or move chats to them when I need to, as latency is not as critical for me when I have those there.
The battery endurance on them is still great (80-90%) since I've been keeping the charges at or below 70%.
Sidenote: I also have a Nexus 5X setup as a streamdeck/macro pad through Touch Portal constantly plugged in with a charge limit set to 70% 👌
@I'm A Spam Account iirc there have been ways to setup a faux external display with scrcpy but it's buried somewhere in the github issue's thread.
Superdisplay is very responsive but is only limited to one concurrent device, and yeah spacedesk can get pretty choppy which is why I have not latency dependent windows there.
Damn just seeing a new video of a prebuilt review always makes me get a bag of popcorn I love your content!
Gotta love how MSI's CHEAPER case (the V100R) actually has decent airflow by not completely choking the fans and instead opting for a mostly mesh front panel. It would have benefitted this prebuilt so much.
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I've had plenty of ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards that almost always bend my m.2 SSD at least slightly (maybe not as bad, but still). So that part wasn't really surprising to me.
Some motherboards have 2 (thermal or just pressure) pads stacked on each other between like the m.2 60 and m.2 80 length. Depending if your SSD is one or double-side you have to peel one pad off. I wondered if it was the problem here.
Does the problem go away with a full OS purge/reinstall? Or is it a problem with the case/cooler/mounting.
Just curious
"The" problem is the entire prebuilt, so unless you also purge all the hardware from existence then no, "the problem" will not go away.
Yeah I was a bit surprised GN didn't configure things how they SHOULD be - a bit like taking the front cover off the case for thermal comparison - such as resetting the BIOS or putting sane settings in ( I'm curious as to what would happen with "load optimised defaults"?) and setting up Windows optimally. Then you'd have a "this is what these parts CAN do when not put together by idiots" set of numbers.
@@julian.morgan next video?
Case is bad and the cooler isn't enough for that workload.
@@julian.morgan They've already done this. We know the empirical performance of this CPU and this GPU in a vacuum. The entire point of this series is that the person who would buy this sort of system has little to no knowledge of systems, or has little to no motivation to fix somebody else's incompetence. They want to buy a box, plug it in, and have it work. I'm not going to go buy some garbage car because a carTuber showed me how garbage it was, but that I can invest my time and money in making it workable. I'm just going to go buy something else.
I'm confused. Why were CPU temps so bad even after removing the front panel and maxing fans?
The horrible power management settings on the motherboard and Windows power configuration combined with a cooler that isn't powerful enough for the cpu it was paired with mainly.
I've literally never had a good experience with an MSI component of any sort.
MSI used to be my "go to" motherboard and GPU company. That was until I started researching and buying components for my newest build in 5 years. Then reviewers were telling us that the VRM's had thermal issues in the MoBo's I was considering so I decided to try another manufacturer that had better reviews. Now after this and other reviews I wonder if I can trust MSI for anything?! I work too hard for my money to throw it away on shoddy components let alone a prebuilt. Thank you MSI for encouraging me to try other manufacturers which have not failed to impress me.
ALL manufacturers have "subpar" VRMs on some of their motherboards, ALL have cheap components, but looking strictly at their low tier components for "research" is just confirmation bias. MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus all have motherboards with similar quality around the same price, and looking up proper reviews of VRM quality is much more valid than looking at random reviews of people running a 5950x on a $120 board and saying MSI bad. MSI had the crown for numerous generations of AM4 motherboards because they had GOOD VRMs on more budget friendly boards. This is coming from someone that has owned motherboards from all manufacturers, and has bought what meets my needs, and isn't pushing the budget too high. This time around, it was a Gigabyte board, last time it was MSI, and it was Asus back in Haswell.
ASUS is still a pretty decent hardware company, but just don't ever install their garbage tier software, they have a less than zero chance of getting it right. Even my new ASUS board from like a month ago being a Z690 is a great board, but after hours of installing and re-installing their crap I just removed it and went with something else for my CPU, GPU and ARGB.
All companies have good and bag products, we should evaluate by model we want. Everyone talks good about ASUS, went for that and less than 6 months 3 motherboards to RMA. Asus never again, even if the reviewers says it's good. Bought an MSI ITX for my SFF build, amazing board. The downside to that is to have to spend hours researching for every single piece of hardware, nowadays I don't have the same energy to do that.
Msi is shit, they took 9 months to release a bios for zen 2
Asus strix boards seem to be the best ones
Reminds me of how I ordered a MSI laptop, and the SSD wasn't even plugged in (it looked kinda like whoever was installing the SSD missed, and instead the end of the ssd where it connects was ON TOP of the port). To be fair it was open box but still. Pretty sure I got a picture of it somewhere
For my MSI gaming laptop, only the CPU didn't have the proper thermal paste application. I had accidentally caused a short on the motherboard.
my sister had one where the battery, after just a few years, managed to bloat to epic proportions and crack the case
i saved the components by ripping out the battery (affixed professionally to the system with electrical tape and hot glue) and running it off the mains as a gaming-capable set-top box
@@flaccidpringle My mother's old laptop had a dead battery, then replaced it with a new battery part (it puffed up into a pillow and finally gotten a "genuine" battery for it. Then later did the same thing. I had a feeling that Sony had SERIALIZED every laptop batteries!
@@flaccidpringle If it was that big then holy shit thats scary. That's not a battery, that's a bomb waiting to explode
@@luqdude yeah, generally i advise against getting gaming laptops for anything but the form factor; those batteries become fire hazards after two years at most
Just to clarify what MSI is actually doing in regards to "faking" the CPU load:
MSI has enabled the flag for "Processor idle state" which is a hidden power option accessible via the registry. Windows gages the utilization of a CPU based on how much time it spends in its "idle state" which is typically calculated by X = (100% - PERCENTAGE OF TIME IN IDLE STATE). What MSI is doing to "fake" the CPU load is disabling the ability for the CPU to go into an idle state. The result of this is that Windows can no longer track the CPU load due to the fact that the CPU is never reported to be in its "idle state". This means that when Windows calculates how active a CPU is it ends up being an equation of X = (100% - 0%) which equals 100%. It isn't that it's actually at 100% but rather that Windows is unable to track it's utilization.
MSI managed to win the ever coveted “It’s worse than Dell” award.
I'm always glad to see other people having problems with MSI and not just me. I had a laptop and a desktop, both had problems non-stop. Built my own desktop in November and made sure not to buy anything MSI.
Oh dear. I tend to like MSI for their Mobos and some of their GPUs. But this is awful, which is a shame because the system isn't bad, it's all good parts.
I wonder if they put these together at an actual MSI facility, or if it's outsourced
I had a MSI board over volt an i9 and it kept getting 100c. I replaced it with a gigabyte and the problem went away and I could overclock again. MSI will do anything to win Benchmarks Include going out of spec
"You can't claim it is throttling if it is always throttling" - MSI, probably
I actually purchased an MSI Aegis a while ago during the graphics card shortage of the 30-series, and was overall quite pleased with it. Mine came with the top of the line 3070 that MSI makes the SUPRIM X version. I added a second 1TB SSD from my old system, replaced the 16GB of RAM is came with with 32GB of Corsair Vengeance, and have really only had three complaints, MSI's mystic light software for RGB control should be better, the 240R MSI liquid cooler it came with died after about 2 years due to a recall issue, I simply replaced it with an NH-D15S, and it came with a 2TB hard drive that I didn't really want or need. otherwise all components were actually of quite good quality and well installed, and of all the research I did on the market I think it was the best bang for your buck out of what was available at the time.
So, there are now 5 benders: Firebenders, Waterbenders, Earthbenders, Airbenders, and SSDbenders.
I'm confused - do company's make such awful cases because they're trying to appeal to a customer base that doesn't appreciate airflow / cooling? Imagine if they just made a mesh filter instead of the tempered glass / front triangle thing - not only would it look cool but it'd be functional too.
It hurts to say, but most customers don't care about airflow, many don't even know about it. Solid front panels or glass look more appealing than mesh to many people, so case makers do it.
Heck, I willingly bought an NZXT case because I wanted a clean box and they do it best. I take a small thermal hit, but I've got an EK 240 AIO and dual exhaust fans that can muscle though the limitations.
A PC is just an RGB light show in a glass box, right?
Steve's hair keeps getting lighter and lighter with every pre-built roast video. At this rate, he'll look like Rayden by 2030. 😀
Honestly this pc is one of the better options in my opinion. Alot of the fuckups are easily fixable. All of the parts are off the shelf, and the parts actually decent quality which is way more then most pre builts can say. So now all you gotta do is a fresh install of windows, take off the front panel, and make sure all the power and bios settings are normal, and boom you got a pretty decent pc.
I have the same MB(AMD model). there's a screw mount for shorter SSD that you need to screw off in order to install normal size SSD, otherwise you will damage it.
Yeah that's probably what happened here too but they get more views if they trash everything
@@davidstein1445 A professional system builder forgetting to take a spare M.2 standoff out of the motherboard before mounting an SSD is worth trashing.
@@davidstein1445 lol, how are you defending this? Is MSI paying you or is getting fucked over by companies just a hobby?
@@davidstein1445 I'm blaming who ever did the mount not GN
Wow you guys are real jerks i guess. I'm saying it could have been an honest mistake. You know people do have those. For any sensible person to believe they have a quality issue with their builds they would have to see more then one unit with this problem. I bet gamers nexus could find faults with your systems too. The only difference is msi is a huge company so what they should be hung put to dry because of a screw? They build probably hundreds of unit's a day mistakes a bound to happen more. Unlike when your building your own unit at home and you have all the time in the world to stare at each piece as you put it together.
I literally just said last year that MSI needs to make proper airflow cases because of this issue.