How Good Was Steve Nash REALLY?
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- He was a pioneer of the way the game is played today... but he's also one of the most controversial MVP winners of All Time.... so just how good was Steve Nash really?
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If you had an MVP vote, would you have voted for Nash in 05 and 06?
i wasn’t born yet 😎😎😎😎
No
No, Kobe all the way
Na I think Kobe should have won at least one of them
Nope
There's no asterisk or question for me.
The MVP elevates his team beyond what they could be.
Nash definitely did that.
Yet again there's many things to say about this bashed all-time legend, Nash was an all-time definition of an MVP those two years with the Suns.
Very few could play the pick and roll like him and when he shot the ball he never missed.
It was crazy because he was just pretty good in Dallas. Then he goes to the Suns and is playing out of his mind. Something about that up-tempo style suited him and it worked perfectly. Just give him the ball, everybody spring up court, and Nash will find someone when you least expect it.
He’s sadly very underrated now. He would be even way better if he played in this current era.
All old players would be better now, especially perimeter and isolation players.
That whole suns team would be insane this era
@@ianmason2003 but specifically Nash would have a huge advantage. He was a consistent 50-40-90 player and one of the most accurate shooters of all time. It’s a shame he never took more shots
@@lik7953 that pass first mentality but we all knew he was a sniper when he wanted to be
@@klinkov6393 Amare said he’d play like Giannis if he played in this era
He was lowkey nerfed. He had the ability to score 25-30 ppg if he wanted to put he put most of his energy in playmaking.
That doesn’t mean he was nerfed almost all point guards in the early 2000’s we’re expected to play a facilitator’s role, he did this while putting up 4 seasons of 50-40-90 shooting splits (Most in NBA history btw) and averaging double double numbers. From the years 04-09 his team was always top 5 in offensive efficiency. Obviously if you adjusted the pace and put him into today’s game he’d be averaging somewhere around 20+ PTS and 10+ AST on crazy efficiency, but nowhere in his career was he ever nerfed he just didn’t have a lot of opportunities to prove himself from the start. I get what you’re saying though.
He did say one of the Interviews he wished he would've shot more 3's and that he regretted not doing that.
@@gabrielsykes4125 Every player in the 2000's had roles to fill and that's what hindered some players to being superstar status. Unlike in today's league where it's positionless basketball.
@@ceciladams4882 Positionless basketball has its Good but, it definitely has its BAD...
@@gabrielsykes4125 he did have slot of options. He has said so himself and so did all of his teammates and coaches. They wanted him to score more but he stayed in the role that he knew. He has stated multiple times that if he knew where the game was headed today, that he would’ve shot twice as much back then.
Nash was one of the best point guards to ever play. He had such an amazing vision, it was an absolute pleasure to watch him play. I remember playing old nba live games, nash was always one of the main targets to get in season mode.
I have watched all the passing/assist video's of Magic, Kidd, Stockton, etc., but after seeing those and watching all these guys live, I'm taking Nash as the best. One reason was he was more ambidextrous than any of these guys and he could make all the passes. And he was so fun to watch. Just amazing. Combine that with his shooting efficiency and I think Nash is underrated.
He would've won a ring if Robert Horry didn't check him into the scorers table
I love Nash and those Suns (they were my favorite team at the time) but they were weak defensively. I don't think they'd have beaten the Spurs anyway.
@@wadefan06 it was 2-2 when he got injured tho so?
They woulda beat Spurs, but the 05 Pistons were a buzzsaw of defense waiting in the East
@@nathanlawson313 I agree with that
@@nathanlawson313 This was 07 not 05 so it would've been the cavs with a young lebron and a bunch of scrubs
He was good because of his hair when he was drafted it was short and once it started flowing so did his game then he cuts it a goes to the Lakers where he wasn't as good
Story checks out.
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So you’re saying that he is like Samson? 🧐 I buy that! 😅
@@Conquistador76 I like that.
😂 bruh this all time great comment 😂😂🐐
Steve Nash is The player that makes me start watching NBA
Nash actually played better in '07 than in his '05 MVP season.
*'05:* 15.5 PTS, 3.3 REB, 11.5 AST, 60.6 TS%
*'07:* 18.6 PTS, 3.5 REB, 11.6 AST, 65.4 TS%
I noticed this at the time but we all knew Nash wasn't getting elevated to the 3 straight MVP class of player.
2007 is Nash's best season. He was ridiculously efficient that season too.
@@MegaGiants89 his true shooting percentage was crazy good in '07. He knows he should of shot way more 3's than he did, especially with his accuracy from beyond the arc.
Nash was second in mvp voting that year very close to 3 in a row
Steve Nash is my favorite player ever. His game was very entertaining to watch yeah he was a bad defender but he made role players play like all stars.
Nash would've have been Stockton 2.0 if he could defend
@@pakman0049He’s an infinitely better player than Stockton
@@Abbad1579 ur drunk
@@karuscuvic How? Nash was a far better player than Stockton
No one else agrees with this. Like in the entirety of the world .@@Abbad1579
Nash was a great basketball player he deserves more credit. I truly believe Magic Johnson and Steve bash are the best point guards of all time In the point guard position for legends.
Isaiah Thomas was better than nash
Nash was a really good player. He should’ve shot more threes. If he played today his numbers would be crazy.
thanks for summarizing the video lol
This era of the NBA was way more fun than today’s
Agreed. I miss the 2000s. Sad to see all of the stars of that era are retired now.
@@FAlynn92 80s, 90s, 2000s=the best basketball of all time. It won't ever get better than that 30 yr period.
@Ethan Hill I meant 2000-2009. Lebron was better in the next decade.
@Ethan Hill based on accomplishments in the two different decades, he was definitely one of the stars of the 2010s, not the 2000s.
@Ethan Hill he got 1 in 2009. That's the end of that decade. And scoring average doesnt beat 3 mvps and 3 championships between 2010 and 2019
As a suns fan I wish he would have won a ring. And he was also my first favorite player as a kid.
Rumors say the 2 dislikes is both Shaq: He created another youtube account just to dislike it again.
now a 3rd
they're all from kobe fans that think nash got his MVPs
@@SuckOnYakuzA nash didn't deserve those MVP's tho kobe was 3x the player nash was
@@polarblaze9188 lmao casual ass kobetard spotted. too bad basketball is a team game and nash made his team better, making him the most VALUABLE player.
@@SuckOnYakuzA Kobe made the lakers alot better plus kobe managed to get 5 rings while nash got 0 like bruh kobe was just better than nash and was bet'ter at making his team better
everything u said from 6:48 beyond blew my mind; we knew Nash was good but idt many, if any, of us knew he was THAT good
I wish I was alive to see him play. He is one of my faves in the 2000s along with Kobe, KG, and J Kidd. Top 30 player of all time and so fun to watch his highlights
Missed seeing him playing with the ball all over the place. So undeerrated. Thank u for creating this video.
Nash was an incredible player, incredible point guard. Its a shame there are no more point guards in basketball, a lost art, a lost skill.
One of my favorite player of all time. He was an huge ispiration for me when i was a kid starting playing basketball in Italy. Im 5'7 and the way he played conviced me that even if i always was the shortes player on court, sometimes brain overcome the size ♥️
He also loves, like me, Soccer and in 2013 he went in Milan for a training with fc intermilan team!
One of the last true pass-first pg in history, but in modern day i can see him play like a doped version of Tray Young, better both in shooting and playmaking...actually imo one of the best 3pt shooter of all time, if he only had wanted to shoot a larger volume of 3s
Honestly, he’s become underrated again
Nash and Cp3 are the best floor generals of the last 30 years... I miss this Suns team with Nash and Stoudemire, good times.
Same here I wish they had A chip.
Lebron and jokic are in that group as well
Jason Kidd? Mark Jackson? John stockton? magic?
John Stockton has played in the past 30 years man! That was the best floor general the Game has ever seen alongside Magic, and you could argue between them. Yet, CP3 and Nash are great too, just dont disrespect Stockton
Don’t forget rondo
5:54 Robert Horey with his clutch gen
Clutch and cheating
Horry is good at those
Honestly, Nash is the ultimate example of impact going WAAAAAY beyond stats. There’s only 4 players in the last 30 years who could’ve filled his role in that system (Curry, CP3, Nash, and Stockton), and 2 more who maybe could’ve, but I doubt Harden’s selflessness was that level and Lillard doesn’t quite have the eye for those passes
Maybe Magic and Isaih Thomas could've filled Nash's role.
We still acting like Harden is a selfish player after we saw how he facilitated the offense all year???
Jason Kidd? Remember, he turned the nets from a bottom dweller to a team reaching the finals in back to back years as soon as he got there.
@@FAlynn92 an important thing about Nash is his absurd efficiency
@@dontmindmeimjustspectating2871 he’s good at distributing, but Nash was so selfless that he never averaged 20, when he was skilled enough to average a solidly efficient 22ish or a not particularly efficient 30.
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Fine piece Jonny.
Great work.
I was waiting for the Jonny Arnett video, this morning I watched your 100 burning questions. I’ve been binge watching, these videos are so great man!
This man needs more subs. So consistent and on point. Keep it up… they will come!
Nash had a "I'll score if I have to attitude". And sometimes he did just that. But he always set his teammates up so well. Part of why he was such an efficient scorer, particularly in the paint, was his threat to pass. Nash would get in the paint and make the shot blocker choose. Commit to Nash, pass to the big guy, dunk. Stay put, easy layup. Nash was a master at knowing where everyone was on the floor. And outstanding at manipulating defences. He was a pleasure to watch. He made the Suns a consistently great team for years. Ask any contemporary Lakers, Spurs, Dallas player or fan. Steve Nash was the Suns.
never enough love. thanks man!
(means more coming from a great content creator like yourself)
The funny thing is steve nash is only 6'1" he's definitely a great player his only weaknesses are defense and athleticism other than that he is one of the purist point guards of all time
Hes 6'3
And it is obvious now that Jason Kidd needs to be next.
Hell yeah
I want Tony Parker
He‘s like the John Stockton of the 2000s without the defense
He was a much better shooter tho, its a shame that Nash didn’t take more shots
He’s like the John Stockman of the 2000s without the defense but with 2 mvps and that he was the Batman instead of the robin
Better shooter
Good one...
John could play D.
Steve could not.
@@Bluecloudprod He said without the defense...
this video is Fair and Precise. Thank you.
Thanks for the context regarding his 2nd mvp. I think it’s deserved based on their record and their roster that year
He was most certainly the most valuable player for those years he won it , imo. Love the video
One of the most technically proficient and poised players ever. Rarely made poor decisions with the basketball. Watching him was a pleasure
It's a good day, when Jonny uploads
LITTLE STEVEY!! One of my all time favorites. I hate that people disrespect this mans legacy because the league voted him over everyone’s favorite player for mvp.
Certainly the point guard I would most want to play with. Sometimes a season has more than 1 truly deserving MVP. '05 and '06 were years like that.
The Underrated Steve Nash, Stats and Awards aren't Everything what Make the player Spectacular and One of the Greatest NBA Players of All-Time!!! It is How he presented himself on the Court like a Leader, His Wits, Playmaking, and Never Giving Mentally or how you Have that, Plus Talent and Defense is a Big Part as Well! That being said, Steve Nash is and Always will be My Favorite Player to Watch, as when I Started Watching Basketball, Steve Nash was The Man who let me Fell in Love with The Game of Basketball!!! Steve Nash is a Top 30 Player of All-Time, No Question!!!
Simply one of the 3 best PGs of all time
Top 3 is a reach. However I say top 6 or top 5
@@marqkuisphillip2295 yeah it’s subjective for sure but I would take him over Isaiah, Stockton, and Payton for the consistent outside shooting and efficiency. It’s certainly close though
I do love how Nash gets all the credit for the Suns turnaround.
+33 wins vs the year before.
d’Antoni was brought in part way through the earlier season, so no training camp etc.
Amar’e Stoudemire played in only 53 games. Was still improving and made a jump to MVP vote getter in his first full year with d’Antoni.
They had Stephon Marbury (and others) who they traded mid season.
The lineup was all over the place, 14 different starters, all but three started in 10 or more times. (Compared to the following year 10 starters, no one outside the core 5 started in double digit games (lowest of core was Nash at 75 games).
Nash wasn’t the only new key player, Q-Rich also new that year.
This isn’t to say that Nash should get some credit, but the team was completely different there were a bunch of other adjustments etc. - Nash getting way too much love on this point.
Steve Nash, the basketball Goat of my heart ❤
Should of added the other contenders stats for the mvp years....or make that please!
Love your content
I was waiting for this video for months
Unpopular opinion: Nash deserved those MVPs. Took a team from 29 to 62 wins then won 54 games the next year with no Stoudemire.
I thinks he is severely underrated i think mainly cause people don’t appreciate his mvps and well they aren’t statistically the best ones but they judged value alot for his mvps but the problem is they dont always do that so it’s inconsistent. In 08 i might have given the mvp vote to lebron or dirk potentially ahead of kobe cause of impact and less selfish game
Great video as always jonny! Would really like to hear your views on the 2021 nba awards. Do you agree with them or who do you think should have won the awards? Cheers.
many forget how good and tough this Canadian really was.
Properly rated.. Was always fun to watch Nash play
*Nash '05:* 15.5 PTS, 3.3 REB, 11.5 AST, 1.0 STL, 0.1 BLK, 60.6 TS%
*Nash '06:* 18.8 PTS, 4.2 REB, 10.5 AST, 0.8 STL, 0.2 BLK, 63.2 TS%
*Bron '05:* 27.2 PTS, 7.4 REB, 7.2 AST, 2.2 STL, 0.7 BLK, 55.4 TS%
*Bron '06:* 31.4 PTS, 7.0 REB, 6.6 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.8 BLK, 56.8 TS%
*Bron:* Points, rebounds, steals, blocks
*Nash:* Assists, shooting efficiency
I swear its like people don't remember that MVP stand for most valuable player. Nash's first season as a sun would see the team win over 60 games. With he same team, minus Nash, they won 29.
Fuck yeah was waiting for Steve to get the spotlight.
He was very good Jonny!
Many NBA greats throw shade on him because they were annoyed one of their friend’s didn’t get the MVP. Even big time players can be petty. As usual Jony uses some real analysis, not just gut reactions.
He is basically 50/40/90 for his entire career lol incredible.
First sports jersey I ever owned was a suns Nash jersey, one of the best pg to do it!
Underrated and yes
Any great player, such as Steve Nash, will always be underrated if they don't win a championship. Winning a championship takes a lot of individual and team talent, but it also requires a good deal of good luck. Nash, just like many other great players that never won a championship, had a lot of bad luck. And if the MVP is a regular-season award, Nash deserved both of his MVP awards.
Nash was one of the most entertaining players to watch. He was a wizard with distributing the ball. So many now call him overrated that he has actually become underrated. And if you solely look at his pints scored you might wonder how he won 2 mvp awards. But if you watched him you would never question this accomplishment. He helped change the game in the 00s much like Curry did in the 10s. And the criticism about never wining it all, well he was in the stacked Western Conference. Sure it would have been great for him to have one one or two championships. But those Spurs and Lakers teams were really great.
the MVP award has to many factors and many players from all eras can make arguments for that. But from a solid general running an offense he is definitely one of the best. Not to mention he, and those Mavs and Suns teams were exciting to watch!!! He definitely would be fun to watch in today’s era too.
Underrated for sure... I wish the Nets had been able to continue to the semifinals... I love that he is a coach now, though. He knows the game so well which works out spectacularly.
This comment didn't age well
@@jlobiafra Only because Kyrie is a dingleberry and for some reason, Kevin Durant was traded as well. It's all good. I am just glad that a team in a predominately Jewish area doesn't have Kyrie anymore. I still follow Kevin and I'm glad he's back to form, dominating with Phoenix now.
@@infiniteaaron they started playing better with the interim coach after nash got fired with kyrie and KD
@@jlobiafra Fired? Interesting. When did that happen?
I LOVE Steve Nash🇨🇦 and he no doubt deserved to be a first ballot hall of famer but damn, if I’m being brutally honest, I don’t know how much we would remember him if it weren’t for Mike D’antoni, I feel like he would have been more like Kevin Johnson type basketball legacy
Steve Nash is under rated to me..
I was always amazed at his unselfishness! EXTREMELY EFFICIENT.
He could've easily averaged 30+ points per game.
I just wish he was more aggressive and I was no Nash fan but I appreciate greatness.
He’s so underrated
As a Detroiter, anytime malice at the palace is mentioned in a TH-cam video I just grin and think of watching the madness unfold in my living room on the tv
Finally, someone showing some respect for Nash.
Underrated
It's because of him and that team that I'm a suns fan today
Underated, he was very fun to watch.
one of the most underrated smh
The provided context helped me understand why he won mvp.
As a Phoenician, he and Barkley are my 2 favs. So exciting to watch!!
Steve Nash underrated legend
I watched as many sun's games as were available on the TV at the time . The way he created consistent highlights game after game was similar to when I was locked in on the bulls and Jordan...Mr.Iverson leading the sixes as well
I saw Nash score 35 pts. against Gonzaga in the SECOND HALF at Gonzaga! Nobody had a clue how good he would be in the NBA, though, just like Stephen Curry. Nobody knew.
He's definitely not overrated. He's another example of a team first player who could have had more gaudy stats, but chose not to because he put his team before himself.
Funny though that had he been more selfish, he'd have even better stats, but chose to be a team player, and still had Godly numbers. Except a ring
You are correct I believe.......A Team Player for sure..... Unselfish!
I mean just go and type Steve Nash highlights on youtube and you will see insane trick passes nice ball handling skills and crossovers and clutch performances
Nash gets highly underrated nowadays imo. He was arguably the most efficient player in history, and was an incredible passer.
When it comes to his MVPs, I believe he deserved his 05 MVP considering the ridiculous turnaround the Suns made, and how he made everyone better. He had an MVP-caliber season in 06, but my vote would’ve gone to Kobe. Kobe was inefficient because he had to carry a horrible team and take a bunch of shots. He still averaged 35 pts which is insane. But with that, I think Nash deserved the 2007 MVP as that was arguably his best year, and the MVP that year Dirk Nowitzki lost in the first round.
I also have him ranked as the 6th or 7th best PG of all time. Magic 1, Curry 2, West 3, Robertson 4, IT 5, Nash 6, CP3 7, Stockton 8. I do think CP3 passes nash is he wins a title tho
but the fact that dirk lost in the first round doesn't matter for mvp voting
@@huh968 i guess, still think Nash deserved it
Nash is in-between, neither underrated nor overrated. As for his MVPs, he definitely earned the 1st MVP, but the 2nd one should have gone to either Lebron or Dirk.
Very underrated,
I will say this.. I have seen multiple games that dude was throwing out tons of assists and then when the game was close near the end, he hit some huge 3's and other jump shots. He would turn his style sometimes in that final minute or so and take a game! One of the best shooters who has ever lived, and one of the best passers! That makes him great!
In one of the episodes of the "Open Court" show with NBA legends they said that Nash benefited from rule changes in the game (Shaq and Reggie Miller stated that bunch of good players became All Star players and their stat numbers increased). What are this rule changes and why they make him an MVP player according to Shaq? I think, it was episode where they were making the 10 players list to add to 50 great players of all time or the episode where everyone was making the starting 5 of each decade ( I`m not sure). The video about Nash MVPs would be interesting, coz I thought this video will cover the controversy situation about his awards.
Uh, I can only assume they're talking about hand checking since they played with and without. Except, that's a low IQ take because Nash was the exact opposite type of player that 'checking' hindered. High-volume, isolation scorers like Jordan, Kobe, Carmelo, etc. were the type of player it hurt as it was harder to keep the ball manuvering in traffic and when pulling up for closely contested jump shots. I'm pretty sure the league started prohibiting defensive strats like that to shamelessly boost Jordan's production which came to be called 'The Jordan Rules'. Nash's offense was very similar to the modern league with transition offense, team movement and perimeter passing to find the open shot. In contrast, the norm in the mid 2000s was still mostly slow, stagnant team offense with isolation wings and PF/C post play. Nash rarely took contested shots; he was able to be so efficient because he only shot when it was the best shot available.
He inarguably deserved at least one MVP and the only people who could possibly object are delusional Kobe riders who ignore his efficiency and the fact Kobe hurt his team as much as he ever helped them.
If he played today in our “throw-up as many threes as possible” era, he’d have had WAY more opportunities to score and more transition assists.
Man Steve Nash was the reason the Suns were the 1st team I loved, he wasn’t the best but he was cold and clutch
I personally would've given those one of those awards to Dirk but Nash wasn't a wrong answer either lmao. He still deserved it
@@karanveerdhillon7867 Yeah. I would argue that Dirk and Kobe were both just as valuable to their respective teams as Nash was to his. I think that's why I never agreed with Nash winning two MVP's. Because if you took Dirk off the Mavs for a season, they would probably be just as bad as the Suns were without Nash (and same with Kobe and the Lakers at that time). We just never had to actually witness how bad their teams would be without them because they never left them, so the perception that Nash was more valuable to his team was in his favor.
However, Nash was a hell of a player and certainly wasn't undeserving on his own right.
@@karanveerdhillon7867 Those players didn’t even really have better years
Hey Jonny nice content
Well I think for the numbers one MVP was OK
15ppg mvp nah
Please can you do a a video of
Nash vs CP3 vs Jason kidd vs John Stockton
Or break it two down to 2 of the above each
Thanks !!!!! 🙏🏻
Numbers and highlights make him no justice, Steve was an absolute magician at creating shots for his team. He has an amazing shot, he is the player with the most seasons at 50-40-90, ff only he had more of a scoring mentality like new PGs he would have won a championship for sure.
Nash had a 5 year run in Phoenix that should go down as arguably the best point guard play in NBA history
You’re among my favorite TH-camrs, basketball or otherwise, but I wish that this video would have further explored the rule changes that allowed Nash to have his best seasons at that age, particularly since you pointed out that that does not usually happen with players in their thirties, when exploring the subject of how good he actually was.
That said, your videos remain among my favorites! Keep it up! :]
Nash is easily one of the greatest point guards of all-time. People talk about pure point guards and Nash was all that. He averaged over 10 assists in 7 seasons and always was a great passer. Talk about making everybody better. The dude shot 50, 40, 90 FOUR times. Nash was a GREAT shooter which is evidenced by his expert free throw shooting at over 90% for his CAREER. The dude was a 2 time MVP and people talking like CP is better, you got to be kiddin. smh
Great player .
Nash deserved both those awards hands-down.
Good enough to come back from a 3-1 deficit in 2006 against the lakers
UNDERRATED
I personally think he was way overated. Maybe the one MVP in '06, but two? Shaq in '05 all the way!
@@michaelclark6980 He was better in the second mvp year. He'd be the best PG in the league today hands down.
@@clevisbernier8973 Re-read my post. That's why I said, if anything he maybe deserved it in 2006. The year before, in 2005, Shaq should have won it!
@@michaelclark6980 I disagree. Nash did more to help his team win and that's the whole point of the game.
@@clevisbernier8973 Shaq took his team to Game 7 of the eastern conference finals in 2005, with the help of Wade, the NBA championship in 2006!
Nash deserves those back to back MVPs
Very good
Underrated especially due to his lack in size and yet dominated.
I could see Steve Nash being a better Chris Paul in this era with a better 3 point shot and transition play.
I don't think so... Maybe close but not quite. I think the thing that separates paul from nash is paul's defense. Nash is a bit too slow to guard anyone.