Bruh stop it he's the one MVP that's the most undeserving see y'all run from the facts Jason kidd did the exact same but Kidd went to 2 NBA finals back 2 back and they felt that wasn't MVP worthy but Nash is without no NBA finals appearances ok then
I have to disagree 👎 with u zeke Is the second best point guards in history. Nash should never got mvp over shaq or kobe. Nash had stacked team and u have players who won with less like Chauncey bills,jkidd,LeBron. Nash had Tim Thomas,barbosa,Jim Jackson,James jones,Eddie house,marion,bell,diaw,Goran dragic,hill,p.j tucker,jrich the list goes on while he was with the sun's that's like giving the mvp to embiid instead of joker 😂
Steve Nash might be the most underrated shooter of all time. I used to get into arguments with my friends about how Nash was a better shooter than Dirk. I think it’s not even close. You know who else agrees with that? Dirk. Who has said it many times over. I very much agree that Nash was a touch trigger shy at times and wish he would have gone Steph level of aggressive more. I don’t think he did because of the perception of what a point guard was supposed to be in that era. PG’s we’re supposed to be pass first, which he was. To a fault at times
NASH almost got a career 50/40/90...overall stats dont mean much, PRIME stats is what is important.... and he had 3 seasons with higher FG% then CURRY best season from the 3 point line... 1-MAGIC 2-OSCAR 3-STOCKTON 4-NASH 5-THOMAS I grow up as a I.THOMAS fan but unlike most kids think, THOMAS never made the PISTONS a great team...he start winning when the TEAM was loaded from TOP to bottom... CURRY, WEST and IVERSON are SG to me....
In 2005 he made a 22 win team into a 62 win team with no new teammates made the worst team in the league the best any people try to say he did not deserve it
@@Martin-tr4sjagain, look at the TS% and tell me if it stayed the same or got worse before and after Nash joined the suns. And you wanna talk about amare, how about the next year in 2006 when amare played 3 games and sat out the rest of the year due to a knee injury?
He had a Jason Kidd like affect for a guard . No one is denying his greatness but after it was established in 2004-2005 & they should’ve gave it to Kobe in 06.
@@youngblood4127 if you look throughout nba history and the MVP award in general, you would know that a majority of players who won the MVP are on teams that were either the first or second seed. Which means historically, MVPs are literally given to players who are on the top of or near the top of the top tier teams. Also if you’re gonna shift goal posts and say “well guys like Westbrook, Jokic and Kareem won the MVP lower than 1st and 2nd, don’t they deserve their MVPs?”. Yes they deserved their MVPs, but there is context and solid arguments as to why they also didn’t. In westbrooks case it was because he was the first player to average a triple double for a whole season which hadn’t been done since oscar Robertson in 1962, AND it was also a sympathy prize because everyone felt bad for him because KD left for golden state
@Nahaintnoway not really, he's a center. The significance of doing this as a point guard isn't the "point" part but being the smallest "guard" on the floor
@@MrSquakythat doesn't mean anything when he's been to the Conference Finals 4 times during a 7 year period that had the Lakers and Spurs dominating the West with 10 championships between them.
I think Nash played basketball in a way that not a lot of young people appreciate lol, he wasn’t a high flyer nor did he have the nastiest handles, but he was tough and was excellent at diagnosing a defense and determining what course of action would best suit his team. He was basically the quarterback of any NBA team he was on
He loves talking about how Nash took both mvps from him. You can make an argument for 05, Shaq's first year in MIA, being runner up to him. But the year after, Shaq was nowhere near close to winning mvp. Dirk, Kobe, and LeBron were runner ups in 06.
@imaratspal D-Wade finished 8th in mvp voting that year. I think the voters were using a narrative with Shaq's first year out of LA after the drama there.
It was only for 1 game and they came back in the series and suns still lost in 6 games. Yet spurs never got Horry back for that series. So a shorthanded spurs still won.
@@thecensoredmuscle563they won by a buzzer beater and even then, Steve Nash is 4-0 in game 7s with that home court advantage and momentum they prolly woulda won in game 6 or 7 with Diaw and Amare not suspended
I love the Spurs except Horry. I hated him for that. The Suns lost by a few points in the game they were suspended. People would think differently of Nash if he went to Finals and won.
Even though he had the storyline going for him, Nash was literally the definition of an MVP. His team instantly became more successful when he arrived and D’Antoni never could implement his system as effectively without him. The closest he got was James Harden. Argue about Nash’s second MVP if you want to but his first one was an absolute no-brainer and he still deserved the second. He’s one of the ringless GOATs.
Cp3 is overrated for being an upgrade version of nash with one filas appearance but nash deserve his mvp despite transforming his team into non factor come playoff time
Pretty much the only argument you need for Nash winning his first MVP at least is the year before the Suns won 29 games, the year they got Nash, it went up to 62. If you can't comprehend how valuable he was to that Suns team, then you're already too inept to give your opinion.
@@spoodyR3missing amare for majority season put up similar slightly better stats and top two in west plus Kobe trial so it went to Steve but in 06 it belonged to dirk personally
Correction: 2007 was when the Robert Horry incident happened. The Spurs went on to defeat the Suns in 6. Then in the WCF defeat the Utah Jazz in 5 and then in the NBA Finals sweep the Cavs In 2006 the Spurs lost to the Mavs in 6 in the WCSF
Yep, Steve Nash fans always wanna overhype him. All I have to say is "defense". That alone makes him the weakest MVP of all time. Especially when there's plenty more Goliaths around Nash. 🙄
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, if you guys are going to say that Kobe deserved the 2006 MVP over Steve Nash because he averaged 35 points despite being the 7th seed, then T-Mac deserves the 2003 MVP over Tim Duncan because he averaged 32 points as an 8th seed
I love that argument I've been saying too. I always said you look at the context of that season. A Kobe fresh of a 04-05 season where he was embarrassed then in the 05 off seasons humbly admits he needs Phil jackson then ups his game and hevaily implies Lakers wouldn't be a 7th seed if he wasn't there on top of mega strides as a player and finally showing his value as a player and leader by carrying the Lakers to 45 wins gets 06 mvp consideration/winning
@@awc6007and I also don’t see people using defense as to why Tim Duncan deserved HIS MVP. All I see is people saying how “oh this guy didn’t even average 20 points how dare he win the MVP”
Not the same. Everyone in their momma will tell you Duncan in 03 is his all time peak definitive year as a two-way top 10 all time player. T-Mac wasn’t the only great scorer from 01-03 volume scorer phenomenon era. Also, Kobe’s scoring streaks and the way by which he went about it was totally different.
@@willmuny9201 you do realize that is not the fucking gotcha moment you think it is. Because one John Stockton was NEVER the first option or the top star on the Jazz at ANY point in his career as he played with Karl Malone, for literally is entire career. And two, John Stockton was a guy that fitted the mold of the “prototypical point guard” as he was never known for being a scoring point guard. He just made plays and passed the ball more often. And while Stockton is by far the better defender, Nash was also a great play maker as well as also being one of the most efficient offensive players in history as the top guy on the team
I swear Nash is a good example of how people like Giannis and Jokic if they retired from the nba winning back to back MVPs and never winning a ring. That just makes me think if Nash won a ring the year after his second mvp he would be less disrespected.
Yeah kind of like winning a ring as the best player on your team is the highest honor an nba player can achieve and mvp winners who don’t win rings are notoriously disappointing
@@spoodyR3 yeah you have to take account that the best player on a team could be the only good player or the fact that they face teams with multiple great players. There is more to take account for than simply best player losses.
@@spoodyR3 Some teams just didn't translate into the playoffs, but in my opinion, the lack of postseason success isn't a good reason to argue he doesn't deserve his MVP's (not that you can't make the argument, but it's supposed to cover the regular season only).
I've been a Phoenix Suns fan for 25 years now. I appreciate what Chris Paul did for the team a lot especially that 14-14 closeout game against the Pelicans but Steve Nash will always be my favorite point guard.
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He recently said that was his biggest regret. He admits he was too cheap back then. Now he's throwing a crazy contract at Kyrie which is rolling dice so obviously he has changed big time lol. Dirk and Nash was special though. So was Amare and Nash. Nash is a baaaad man.
If Nash had stayed in Dallas, they *NEVER* would've won a ring! Who's playing defense with Dirk and Nash out there? You can't win championships with huge defensive liabilities in both the frontcourt and the backcourt.
When i was a kid and was asked who i modelled my game after. It was Steve Nash and Tim Duncan. Anyone who devalues what steve nash brought to the phoenix suns is just too young to really appreciate the greats that were competing against ALL-time greats. (Before nash joined kobe)
@@darrengordon-hillMy comment doesn't devalue stars I was too young for myself. But I made varsity as a point guard due to my motor from track. Just making a comment for those who are married to the present and primarily know his run as a coach. Not a player.
My older brother uses to have the Steve Nash and J Kidd shooting and dribbling fundamentals DVDs so I really learned how to play basketball from Nash lol. I haven't thought about that in years
Fun Fact: Nash and Ray Allen had one of the best back and forths on January 22, 2006. A double OT game where both hit clutch shot after clutch shot. One of the best games in NBA history imo (the highlights are a good watch).......What else happened that night though? Kobe dropping 81 points lol.
No he didn't, but he was the last great actual point guard. After that point guard became more of a selfish position or a shooting guard position like with Westbrook, curry etc
I always find it weird when younger fans question nash's mvp years when older fans know just how good he was and how fun it was to watch that suns team because of how good nash was.
Facts thankyou for making this video. Its become like a trend to hate on Nash's MVPs. Whilst I dont think anyone argues the 05 MVP anymore he absolutely deserved the 06 MVP too. Led his team without Amare the ENTIRE season to a 54-28 record with the no.2 ofrtg. His teammates where shawn marion, raja bell, boris diaw, barbosa and tim thomas. If you think that team is winning 30 games without him then ur mistaken. From 02-10 his team was either 1st or 2nd in offensive rating, like thats absolutely insane. And its not like he had a team full of offensive superpowers like the 10s warriors it was amare and some nice role players.
Imagine leading a Lakers team with, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Slava Medvendenko, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton, Brian Cook. Imagine averaging 35+ppg while making 1st Team All-Defense in the same season while leading the league in scoring The only other player to accomplish that feat was Michael Jordan. The Lakers team has the 3rd best offensive rating in the league when Kobe was on the court 113 offensive rating with Kobe caring the load. With Kobe off the Floor the lakers Had a 92.4 Off Rtg that is 8.7. Points worse then the worst tean in the league. That year in the west you needed 44 wins to make the playoffs and the 60 win Mavericks had The 4th Seed So Kobe With one of the worst offensive teams and a below Average Defensive Team as shown as they had the 11th Worst Defensive Rating. Kobe Bryant averaged 35.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 now if you take into account pace the League Average in 06 was 90.5 That is slower than todays, or in 06 only 5 teams averaged over 100 PPG where as today teams Average 105.6 PPG so Kobe's Stats per 100 Possessions are 45.6 PPG 6.8 RPG 5.8 APG 2.4 SPG. He was the game's best closer, game's best player, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, and he lakers don't win 25 games without him. Kobe Averaged 43.4 ppg for a whole month in January If you take the 81pt game out he still averaged 40.2 PPG in January. For Almost 2 Months from December 20, 2005 to February 7th 2006 Kobe Averaged 40 PPG Kobe Had 3 Streaks of 4 40+pt Games in a row including a streak of 5 40+pt Games In the Last 9 Games of the Season Kobe Averaged 41.8 PPG on a 60.7 TS% It's not hate. The only one that got hated on was Kobe Bryant. Westbrook won MVP see the hypocrisy. Have a blessed day.
@@koolkai4299Kobe was awesome at that time. And yet Nash still beat him being down 3-1. For all Kobe's abilities he couldn't run a team or enhance his teammates as effectively as Nash could and that is a big part of Nash's greatness that is easily overlooked. Nash's effect on his team's overall performance was more than the sum of his individual abilities and that included the way that he encouraged and included his teammates. People also tend to value scoring over assists but each of Nash's assists resulted in 2-3 points. A 12 assist game was 24-36 points + his own 20. Sharing the ball that often put his teammates in such a rhythm that he empowered them with the confidence to perform on their own in the clutch and it diversified the offense enough to keep defenses guessing. I feared Kobe at that time more than any other individual opponent, but opposing defenses had legitimate fear of Nash with the ball in his hands too.
Arguably Amare was also a role player. He had exactly two power moves at the rim, and almost nothing else in his bag. He had an infuriating habit of double-pumping his shots, turning easy wide open jumpers into difficult shots falling down. All his stats dropped by like 50% the first year he played without Nash even though he was 28-29yrs old and should have been at the height of his prime.
The Nash Suns team reminded me a lot of the German Soccer team 2010-2014 with Nash being similar to Ozil. The style of play is soo electrifying and magnificent.
Do you really think great players weren't influenced by other players? Young Steph decided to model his game after Steve and Reggie and he took it to the next level. Nash handles, creativity and off dribble shooting fused with Miller's off ball movements. That's a deadly combo right there
Dude you know your basketball. I'm glad you're educating people on nash. Cause this generation has lost its mind. Great video...earned my sub for sure. No opinions ..just proved your points.
He's my favorite Point Guard of all time... he was one of the first people that inspired me to start playing and watching basketball. And I'll forever be grateful for that.
@@clover7726 so dirk had a worse team won 67 games with 50 40 90 in the west Nash had a 1st team all nba center Dirk was clearly the 2007 mvp it is rude to say he was not
Hell no. He was lucky to get two MVPs. Shawn Marion led the Suns in every statistical category in 2006 except assists & was the Suns best defensive player. In 2005 when he won the award, he received the bulk of the credit when the media dismissed the circumstances surrounding the Suns missing the playoffs in 2004, when they made it in 2003. Plus Shawn Marion averaged 19.4pts, 11.3rebs, 1.9ast, 2stl, & 1.5blks per game. Amar'e averaged 26pts, 8.9rebs, 1.6ast, 1stl, & 1.6blks per game. People from the NBA community love saying silly crap like Shaq carried Kobe when Kobe was averaging 22-30ppg during that championship run, but y'all wanna give Nash THREE CONSECUTIVE MVPs off those mundane numbers when his teammates were putting up much better stats while being significantly better defensively?! 💀
@@atlien1988 YAll dont understand basketball past the basic box score, when did Marion find the same success without Nash? Nash at his peak is a top 5 offensive player ever. His impact metrics blow any teamate he had out of water. And when his team needed him to score he would drop 30 on 60+ True Shooting in the playoffs consistently. Why didnt Jordan or Lebron lead better offenses than Nash when they had better teams? Without Nash the Suns were a lottery team, with Nash they were the best offense of all time.
Can we get a segment on vince carter being arguably the most underrated superstar of all time ?Because it's definitely debatable I know you'll kill it 💯🔥
Preciate the respect. Nothing but facts honesty. Though he may have been able to score more, what made Nash and the phoenix suns so special was how he played the game. Was so focused on getting teammates involved. Was awesome to be alive for that.
In 2005 Phoenix had the best 3 point duo in the NBA, Q-rich made the most 3's that season and joe shot 48% from 3 on over 5 attempts a game. The next season he has Raja and Boris as his 3 point shooters instead and Raja is 2nd in 3PM and 5th in 3P% and diaw wins MIP. That suns team won 54 games despite Steve losing over 52% of the teams scoring. In 2005 the Suns O/U was 44.5 so to get to 62 shows how much of an impact nash made when he signed there. There's a reason why when he signed In 2005 they were 1st in FG, 3P, 3PA, 3P%, PTS, and 2nd in FGA and FG% and won more games in their first 35 games of the season than all of the season before. Even after Joe got shipped to Atlanta and Q-rich went to New York with Amare out they were 1st in FG, FGA, FG$, 3P, 3PA, 3P%, PTS. Also in 2006 the teams pace was the same and they only scored 2 less PPG than in 2006 despite losing the best 3 point shooting duo and a 26 PPG scorer.
Hell nah. Nash was leading the suns roster to more wins and Thats without stoudamire. Remove Nash from that suns roster is basically the same if you remove kobe off the lakers
@@BooBooDaFoo330 was the most complete player in the game. Led LA with no all stars to the playoffs. Basically his comeback year after falling off in 2004 and 2005…Wade became the best SG in 05 but Kobe took that shit back. Yeah I know Nash had a crazy year. He deserved it in 2005. If anyone says Shaq deserved it they trippin. Dude Nash led a team with the worst record to the best record and made others all stars. Shaq wasn’t even LA Shaq in Miami it was Wade with his acrobatic moves getting Shaq looks. But I think Kobe should’ve got it in 06. That LA team was so trash. Literally carried them all year
@@curtlamar5046 Bron had better numbers than Kobe in 06 and lead his his team to more wins. What about him too then? Nash was the rightful MVP….no Amare or Joe Johnson, lead the league in assists while putting up almost 20 a game, Suns won 54 games, Suns had the #2 offense and shot 50/40/90. Not to mention Kobe blew a 3-1 lead against Nash lol
Idc how anyone feels about him tbh. I'm from Phoenix and grew up during the Nash years. The 7SOL years were magical and he'll always be a legend here. I've met people from other countries who have said they got into basketball because of Nash and PHX. And that team was the blueprint for what would come with Curry and the Dubs. His lasting influence isn't super obvious at first glance, but it's massive. If they weren't screwed out of a trophy, or if D'Antoni had just told him to score a bit more, he'd be remembered quite differently.
He's the reason I got into the NBA. I couldn't believe the way he could dominate a game with his limited physical abilities. The crazy thing is if they just could have gotten out of the WCF they could have beaten the East coast finals team every year (and they beat championship worthy teams in the playoffs multiple times too).
In 2006 the suns virtually lost Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, and Q-Rich, yet they still had the #2 offensive rating in the league. They were only #2 in TO rate despite leading the league in assists. Of course they still had good pieces around Nash, but are Marion, Bell, Diaw, Barbosa, James Jones, and Eddie house getting you anywhere near the #2 offensive rating without Nash? It’s so ironic to me how people point out the “low” ppg when he literally WAS the offense. He was their entire engine on that side of the floor. His impact on the floor is incredible
before Golden state there was the prototype the Dallas Mavs of the early 2000s with Dirk, Nash, Van exel, and Finley. I remember they were electrifying and gave me goosebumps cause they were ahead of their time. And then there was the Phoenix suns
True..but C Webb and the Kings owned the Dallas Mavericks in the early 2000's and then Tim Duncan and Kobe shut the Suns down in the mid to late 2000's
@@alexanderadonyae7937 Its because the mavs were a prototype back then, it wasn’t as complete as the warriors. Back then Dirk and Nash were still doing PnR isos and the game still heavily relied on bigs and scoring more on the paint. But Nash and Dirk have as much gravity as Steph and Klay specially Dirk with his size. Nick Van Exel and Finley were excellent shooters. They had all the tools, the problem was the era. There wasn’t as much ball movement as there is today
People acting like steve nash doesn't double his numbers in the playoffs. Look at embiid his numbers drop every playoffs. Nash made it to the conference finals thrice against loaded western conference including the lakers and spurs dynasty
You know I never thought about how amazing his offense is until now! He was my favorite player and I only focused on is floor control and assists, but looking back he could score at anytime from anyplace he wanted!! I just subbed because I think a play button would look great on your wall!
I blame that pig Shaq for his constant whining. He is now discrediting Jokic in the same manner, for his latest MVP win. Some of that is racist in my opinion. All of it though, is ignorant hate.
Not only was Steve Nash a 2 time MVP, he'e one of the greatest shooters, passers, and point guards ever. I mean, this is a dude that shot 90% from the line, 50% from 2, and 40% from 3 FOUR times. Nobody else has done that.
The thing is, Nash, Rose and Westbrook won MVP’s that you NEEDED to *WATCH* to understand why they deserved it, box scores weren’t the reason they won and even for Westbrook it wasn’t the entire reason, I’m a LeBron fan but DRose without a doubt deserved that MVP, the best record in the East OVER Dwight Howard’s led Magic and LeBron, Wade and Bosh led Heat, not only was his team not the best but they where injured. Nash maybe wasn’t lighting the league up with outrageous stats but he did change the Suns’ a lot, he’s definitely over hated especially by Kobe fan boys.
Rose won it because they got a higher seeding then the heat with a worse team, Westbrook won it just because of narrative and stats, Nash won it because of team wins
@@chilldoc9638 you are delusional... Nash won because he was the most valuable player..can you speak English? Do you understand what Valuable means? Rose wasnt valuable...Westbrick wasnt valuable he was stat padding leaving players Alone and begging his teammates to shoot to get fake assists ..his rebounds were allways uncontested..so basically he was throwing bricks and dumb fans like you Said he was great.. Rose wasnt doing anything special he was just a show man só dumb fans think that means he was great.
Also a lot of players feel like he only won that second mvp because of the image problem that the nba was having at the time. The you had ai bring in his “street style”, you had Kobe with the case, you had the malice in the palace. Which I’m surprised he didn’t bring up in the video. I agree with one mvp but hell nah not two
@@t-god2439 nash was without 3 of his top 4 best players Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson who left via free agency and Amare who tore his acl in game 3 of the season and they still went on to win 54 Gms #2 seed in the West with the No.1 rated offense in 05-06 he would've won image problem or not let it go bruh
Nash was a joy to watch. His passing round the back was incredible and his shooting is good too. Just not aggressive enough as he is a PG and chose to pass the ball then shoot it.
For as good as Steve nash was. He was NEVER good enough to make it over the hump. People just like to overlook his weaknesses. He didn't have the ability to take over a game and let's not even talk about defense.
For Nash's Offensive Players of All Time: He's got to be (at minimum) Top 25. As for his PG ranking: 6 or 7 (only DEFINITIVELY behind: Magic, Steph, AI, Jerry West, and Oscar)
Steve Nash was the reason I got into basketball. Man was a magician with the ball and made passing look more exciting than scoring. Saying Nash was only the product of D'antoni is ludicrous. Why does no one else get that treatment? Like Kobe/MJ being the product of Phil Jackson?
IDK if he is a better offensive player than Jokic Harden MJ Magic Steph Lebron Shaq Kareem Wilt Kobe Jerry West or Moses Malone but he's still underrated
Totally agree, Nash is the most underrated superstar all time. His passing skills were c'mon off the charts and shooting efficiency also off the charts. I liked your point Nash that was robbed in 2007 by not winning his third MVP, his best season as an NBA player.
He proved why Nash should not win. Surrounded by talent and lost. When he went to mavericks and left they won because Kidd played D, ran efficient offense, Kidd had similar players, hit 3's, balanced a team at hardest position, No Nash failed. NBA was trying to change image from Iverson and Kobe to international. Who is popular today...?
Nash is underrated because assist is an underrated stat in the game. When you see something like 10 assists per game, it doesn't look like a big deal. When in fact, 10 assists is at least 20 points.
I think it goes to show how people either forget the context of the time (lot's of these fellas probably weren't even born for Nash's MVP years) or fall really easily in line with the formation of popular narratives
IMO, people need to realize, Steve Nash kinda orchestrated the blueprint of the style of bsaketball that is played today. The Run n Gun Suns of 2005 to 2010 was a blueprint the Goldenstate Warrriors perfected. In fact Steph Curry himself admits that he templates his gamme after 2 players, Reggie Miller and Steve Nash.
I love this!! I remember the time watching the Nash Suns live! Come to think of it, he definitely was the most disrespected mvp In the NBA. He is definitely underrated and one of the best NBA players I’ve ever seen in person. Everything you said is on point!
Simply because in all honesty his mvps are historically inaccurate. Shaq has 1, Kobe has 1 KD has 1... Tim duncan has 2 Malone has 2.. so if i wasnt a fan of basketball 1. I'd think Nash was better than Kobe, KD and Shaq. 2. Id think hes equal to Tim duncan. In historical context it just seems wrong
But you have to be great to win MVP? And I also don’t think Nash deserved two. I think it had more to do with the image problem the league was facing at the time.
@@keymncole oh but It does in totality, mj and Bron are most people goats one has 5 the other has 4... so you mean to tell me nash deserved 2 it's the greatest individual award a player can receive but if we had an mvp draft he might be 1 of the last picks people would make
People love to discredit Nash, including players, but in his prime Suns years he absolutely destroyed the best teams and players in the league on a consistent basis. He was literally unstoppable; he was either going to get a great look for a teammate (10 assists=20-30 pts btw) or score himself, effortlessly, every possession. From a skill perspective only Curry ranks ahead of him (in shooting) and mentally/psychologically he was at the same level as MJ, Bird, Magic, and Stockton. Put the right personnel and coaching philosophy around him and his team could compete with any team in any generation with him as the best player.
Steve Nash propaganda must be heard. Tired of him being disrespected just because one of his MVPs was controversial while the other one was hands down his to win
The thing about Steve was he wasn't great on D. But he tried so hard. He took charges. Played with a broken nose...then he set during the game lol. Bloody face. He was tough. He wasn't set up to play great D...just not his skill set. But he sure did try hard...and thats with expending SO much energy on offense. Lots of great PGs weren't good on D...magic is the perfect case.
Watched NBA from the late 60's; basically stopped around 2015. I refrain ranking players; but instead assign them from 1-10 of 1-10 (1 is terrible, 10 is a cream of the crop superstar). Nash was in a number of players scoring a 10. Bird, Alcindor and Nash are the only players to turn around a team from the year before they arrived.
Winning a championship during that period was like going through a minefield specially in the West. Spurs, Lakers, Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, Houston.
Also a lot of players feel like he only won that second mvp because of the image problem that the nba was having at the time. The you had ai bring in his “street style”, you had Kobe with the case, you had the malice in the palace. Which I’m surprised he didn’t bring up in the video. I agree with one mvp but hell nah not two
Heavily disagree with this especially the 2nd mvp. Kobe was averaging 35 a night and lebron was averaging 31 7 and 6. Ain’t no way he shoulda won that lol. Plus Nash played 0 defense
Obviously your wrong nash was without 3 of his top 4 best players Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson who left via free agency and Amare who tore his acl in game 3 of the season and they still went on to win 54 Gms #2 seed in the West with the No.1 rated offense in 05-06 with only Shawn marion riding shotgun
Nash has the most 50-40-90 seasons in NBA history and it’s not even close. He has better shooting percentages than Ray Allen, Miller, Durant, AND Curry and Klay. If Nash shot just a little more times per game, he wouldn’t be disrespected as much. Imagine how many 50+ games he would’ve had if he shot more 3s at 43% instead of trying to get 15apg
I really wanted Steve Nash to win in 2007. Despite me not being born yet. If Steve Nash won a ring, everyone will say that Steve Nash is one of the greatest PGs of All Time.
I think everyone considers him top 5 or top 6 depending on if you consider Jerry West a PG. Him vs Kidd is still somehow a question to many, which it shoudnt be, but I am personally still picking Isaiah over him on the 3rd spot. I would understand though if you were to say that Isaiah had the better career and was the worse player, though I do feel like he is quite underrated in his own right
Nash is only disrespected by many Kobe fans who accuse the former of "robbing" the latter, with half of them even being racist towards the former player. Other than them, Nash is pretty much respected by everyone else, even the Spurs players.
Great facts here in general but You got a couple things inaccurate though. Nash WAS an all star in 02, AND all nba...both 02 and 03. He was the best offensive point guard in the league back then, we just didnt know it at the time. Also 07 was the suspension year. Semantics i guess lol.
His MVPs are disputed because he won them against kobe and shaq. Had each of them won those mvps, they both would have had 2 and be higher in all time list. Nash deserved those mvps and that’s what makes them special. He won them against two of top 10 players.
As a black person non American I think it's a reverse racism I think that the debate has been closed since years for me But certain person do not accept He maybe not the most dominant mvp But he has carried his team during his both mvp season
I think Nash fit the moniker "most valuable" better than a lot of other MVP in the past who were perhaps the best player rather than most valuable to their respective teams.
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Bruh stop it he's the one MVP that's the most undeserving see y'all run from the facts Jason kidd did the exact same but Kidd went to 2 NBA finals back 2 back and they felt that wasn't MVP worthy but Nash is without no NBA finals appearances ok then
I have to disagree 👎 with u zeke Is the second best point guards in history. Nash should never got mvp over shaq or kobe. Nash had stacked team and u have players who won with less like Chauncey bills,jkidd,LeBron. Nash had Tim Thomas,barbosa,Jim Jackson,James jones,Eddie house,marion,bell,diaw,Goran dragic,hill,p.j tucker,jrich the list goes on while he was with the sun's that's like giving the mvp to embiid instead of joker 😂
@@nature-kv3xe bruh Embiid supposed to got the MVP Philly had lesser talent on their roster than Jokic don't contradict yourself
Steve Nash might be the most underrated shooter of all time.
I used to get into arguments with my friends about how Nash was a better shooter than Dirk. I think it’s not even close. You know who else agrees with that? Dirk. Who has said it many times over.
I very much agree that Nash was a touch trigger shy at times and wish he would have gone Steph level of aggressive more. I don’t think he did because of the perception of what a point guard was supposed to be in that era. PG’s we’re supposed to be pass first, which he was. To a fault at times
NASH almost got a career 50/40/90...overall stats dont mean much, PRIME stats is what is important....
and he had 3 seasons with higher FG% then CURRY best season from the 3 point line...
1-MAGIC
2-OSCAR
3-STOCKTON
4-NASH
5-THOMAS
I grow up as a I.THOMAS fan but unlike most kids think, THOMAS never made the PISTONS a great team...he start winning when the TEAM was loaded from TOP to bottom...
CURRY, WEST and IVERSON are SG to me....
In 2005 he made a 22 win team into a 62 win team with no new teammates made the worst team in the league the best any people try to say he did not deserve it
He had Stoudemire averaging averaging 26 ppg on 56% FG and they added shooter Quentin Richardson averaging 15 ppg.
@@Martin-tr4sjagain, look at the TS% and tell me if it stayed the same or got worse before and after Nash joined the suns. And you wanna talk about amare, how about the next year in 2006 when amare played 3 games and sat out the rest of the year due to a knee injury?
He had a Jason Kidd like affect for a guard . No one is denying his greatness but after it was established in 2004-2005 & they should’ve gave it to Kobe in 06.
@@youngblood4127 why Nash lead a inquiry team to 58 win and the 2 ceed in the west Lebron also had numbers just as good as Kobe
@@youngblood4127 if you look throughout nba history and the MVP award in general, you would know that a majority of players who won the MVP are on teams that were either the first or second seed. Which means historically, MVPs are literally given to players who are on the top of or near the top of the top tier teams. Also if you’re gonna shift goal posts and say “well guys like Westbrook, Jokic and Kareem won the MVP lower than 1st and 2nd, don’t they deserve their MVPs?”. Yes they deserved their MVPs, but there is context and solid arguments as to why they also didn’t. In westbrooks case it was because he was the first player to average a triple double for a whole season which hadn’t been done since oscar Robertson in 1962, AND it was also a sympathy prize because everyone felt bad for him because KD left for golden state
People always forget. Being a PG, the best player AND leading your team to a championship. Is one of the hardest things to do.
Lowkey could apply this to Jokic to a lesser extent
@Nahaintnoway not really, he's a center. The significance of doing this as a point guard isn't the "point" part but being the smallest "guard" on the floor
Facts, only Curry, West and IT have been able to do it.
@@Statigistwest?
@@Statigistwest is a 2 guard
Nash just made people way better, his offensive box +/-, efficiency, and overall impact on his teammates effectiveness was absolutely amazing
until the playoffs. easily one of the weakest NBA MVPs ever
@@MrSquaky even more so in the playoffs, go back and watch the 2005 WCSF and how Dallas tried to "make him a scorer"
@@MrSquakygo look at his playoff numbers 😭 bro consistently rose in the playoffs almost every year
@@HoopVenue bruh thats the 2nd round wtf you talking about
@@MrSquakythat doesn't mean anything when he's been to the Conference Finals 4 times during a 7 year period that had the Lakers and Spurs dominating the West with 10 championships between them.
I think Nash played basketball in a way that not a lot of young people appreciate lol, he wasn’t a high flyer nor did he have the nastiest handles, but he was tough and was excellent at diagnosing a defense and determining what course of action would best suit his team. He was basically the quarterback of any NBA team he was on
And a loser and a choker too don’t forget that
The passes he made were filthy tho. 🥵
And Nash had the best/flashiest passes too
Shid Nash handles were filthy
Yeah handles were pretty crazy actually as seen in this video. Yet we talk about white chocolate who was a fridge starter at his peak
I thought I was the only one. Shaq takes an L everytime he disses Nash.
He loves talking about how Nash took both mvps from him. You can make an argument for 05, Shaq's first year in MIA, being runner up to him. But the year after, Shaq was nowhere near close to winning mvp. Dirk, Kobe, and LeBron were runner ups in 06.
@@4392amtrakMiami shaq? 😂
@chilldoc9638 yep, his first year there. He played around the same amount of games as Nash and had 58 first place votes to Nash's 65.
D Wade deserved MVP more than Shaq in Miami 😂
@imaratspal D-Wade finished 8th in mvp voting that year. I think the voters were using a narrative with Shaq's first year out of LA after the drama there.
Ngl Robert Horry body checking Steve Nash on scores table and Stoudemire and Diaw getting suspended Infuriates me.
I can see the Suns winning it all that year if those suspensions didn't happen.
It was only for 1 game and they came back in the series and suns still lost in 6 games. Yet spurs never got Horry back for that series. So a shorthanded spurs still won.
@@thecensoredmuscle563they won by a buzzer beater and even then, Steve Nash is 4-0 in game 7s with that home court advantage and momentum they prolly woulda won in game 6 or 7 with Diaw and Amare not suspended
I love the Spurs except Horry. I hated him for that. The Suns lost by a few points in the game they were suspended. People would think differently of Nash if he went to Finals and won.
@@timmyg831 na, I love Horry, guy was clutch.
Even though he had the storyline going for him, Nash was literally the definition of an MVP. His team instantly became more successful when he arrived and D’Antoni never could implement his system as effectively without him. The closest he got was James Harden.
Argue about Nash’s second MVP if you want to but his first one was an absolute no-brainer and he still deserved the second. He’s one of the ringless GOATs.
Nash isn't ringless maybe as player but did get one with golden states staff. Nash should never been mvp the nba stay Messing up
@@nature-kv3xe true and honestly has a pretty legit case of “what if” considering how horrendous his luck was with Phoenix in those conference finals.
@@nature-kv3xeHe was clearly talking about his playing career you tedious fool
@@nbarealtalkerLike "what if" he hadn't sucked on defense...
Cp3 is overrated for being an upgrade version of nash with one filas appearance but nash deserve his mvp despite transforming his team into non factor come playoff time
Pretty much the only argument you need for Nash winning his first MVP at least is the year before the Suns won 29 games, the year they got Nash, it went up to 62. If you can't comprehend how valuable he was to that Suns team, then you're already too inept to give your opinion.
2006 tho?
@@spoodyR3missing amare for majority season put up similar slightly better stats and top two in west plus Kobe trial so it went to Steve but in 06 it belonged to dirk personally
Correction:
2007 was when the Robert Horry incident happened. The Spurs went on to defeat the Suns in 6. Then in the WCF defeat the Utah Jazz in 5 and then in the NBA Finals sweep the Cavs
In 2006 the Spurs lost to the Mavs in 6 in the WCSF
Yep, Steve Nash fans always wanna overhype him. All I have to say is "defense". That alone makes him the weakest MVP of all time. Especially when there's plenty more Goliaths around Nash. 🙄
2007 was definitely Nash's best chance to win.
Not true
That series went seven games in '06
@@younglove3362 bro you just prove mustard right video of drose fans are much worse they hype him so much
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, if you guys are going to say that Kobe deserved the 2006 MVP over Steve Nash because he averaged 35 points despite being the 7th seed, then T-Mac deserves the 2003 MVP over Tim Duncan because he averaged 32 points as an 8th seed
I love that argument I've been saying too. I always said you look at the context of that season. A Kobe fresh of a 04-05 season where he was embarrassed then in the 05 off seasons humbly admits he needs Phil jackson then ups his game and hevaily implies Lakers wouldn't be a 7th seed if he wasn't there on top of mega strides as a player and finally showing his value as a player and leader by carrying the Lakers to 45 wins gets 06 mvp consideration/winning
I don’t remember T Mac being an All NBA level defender like Kobe and Duncan?
@@awc6007and I also don’t see people using defense as to why Tim Duncan deserved HIS MVP. All I see is people saying how “oh this guy didn’t even average 20 points how dare he win the MVP”
Not the same. Everyone in their momma will tell you Duncan in 03 is his all time peak definitive year as a two-way top 10 all time player. T-Mac wasn’t the only great scorer from 01-03 volume scorer phenomenon era. Also, Kobe’s scoring streaks and the way by which he went about it was totally different.
@@willmuny9201 you do realize that is not the fucking gotcha moment you think it is. Because one John Stockton was NEVER the first option or the top star on the Jazz at ANY point in his career as he played with Karl Malone, for literally is entire career. And two, John Stockton was a guy that fitted the mold of the “prototypical point guard” as he was never known for being a scoring point guard. He just made plays and passed the ball more often. And while Stockton is by far the better defender, Nash was also a great play maker as well as also being one of the most efficient offensive players in history as the top guy on the team
I swear Nash is a good example of how people like Giannis and Jokic if they retired from the nba winning back to back MVPs and never winning a ring. That just makes me think if Nash won a ring the year after his second mvp he would be less disrespected.
Yeah kind of like winning a ring as the best player on your team is the highest honor an nba player can achieve and mvp winners who don’t win rings are notoriously disappointing
@@spoodyR3 yeah you have to take account that the best player on a team could be the only good player or the fact that they face teams with multiple great players. There is more to take account for than simply best player losses.
@@spoodyR3 Some teams just didn't translate into the playoffs, but in my opinion, the lack of postseason success isn't a good reason to argue he doesn't deserve his MVP's (not that you can't make the argument, but it's supposed to cover the regular season only).
small minded people think that way. "OHH he doesn't have a ring" when the game is a TEAM sport
ffs i can't with that type of mindset some people have
Still a Top 50 all-time player. Can't believe its almost been 10 years since his retirement.
Yeah I remember him playing like yesterday
Top 25*
Legend phx player
50?? Wtf! You mean top 20
I've been a Phoenix Suns fan for 25 years now. I appreciate what Chris Paul did for the team a lot especially that 14-14 closeout game against the Pelicans but Steve Nash will always be my favorite point guard.
As a Canadian I always enjoy it when folks rightfully defend Steve Nash, a very underrated great player who helped change NBA Basketball.
Oh man Canada has the best people.. Nickelback or Justin Bieber are sooo awesome.. Carly Rae Jepsen is sooo nice.. Canada is the best.. ohh and how can I forget Justin Trudeau is such a great leader...
@@manjidriftalready know a Canadian girl broke your heart 😂
Glad you made this video cause I heard one of my coworkers say that Kyrie was better than Steve Nash all time and I knew he never watched him play
Cuban let Nash walk. I’m still not over it. Thank goodness Dirk finally got his though.
i honestly don’t get why to this day. might have a couple more rings in dallas.
He recently said that was his biggest regret. He admits he was too cheap back then. Now he's throwing a crazy contract at Kyrie which is rolling dice so obviously he has changed big time lol. Dirk and Nash was special though. So was Amare and Nash. Nash is a baaaad man.
If Nash had stayed in Dallas, they *NEVER* would've won a ring! Who's playing defense with Dirk and Nash out there? You can't win championships with huge defensive liabilities in both the frontcourt and the backcourt.
@@imdbtruthDirk was never a huge liability. /facepalm
@@page8301 Listen to his HoF speech, he confirms it himself. But Dirk does get extra credit for being an extremely humble person.
When i was a kid and was asked who i modelled my game after. It was Steve Nash and Tim Duncan. Anyone who devalues what steve nash brought to the phoenix suns is just too young to really appreciate the greats that were competing against ALL-time greats. (Before nash joined kobe)
Nash and Duncan weren't even playing when I got into basketball... who's "too young"????
@@darrengordon-hillMy comment doesn't devalue stars I was too young for myself. But I made varsity as a point guard due to my motor from track. Just making a comment for those who are married to the present and primarily know his run as a coach. Not a player.
My older brother uses to have the Steve Nash and J Kidd shooting and dribbling fundamentals DVDs so I really learned how to play basketball from Nash lol. I haven't thought about that in years
Funny thing is I feel Jokic is like if Nash and Duncan fused together.
Fun Fact: Nash and Ray Allen had one of the best back and forths on January 22, 2006. A double OT game where both hit clutch shot after clutch shot. One of the best games in NBA history imo (the highlights are a good watch).......What else happened that night though? Kobe dropping 81 points lol.
My GOAT
Steve Nash changed the game
@@willmuny9201based
No he didn't, but he was the last great actual point guard. After that point guard became more of a selfish position or a shooting guard position like with Westbrook, curry etc
@@willmuny9201John Stockton is a poor man’s Steve nash except he came first
@@willmuny9201Nash had a better 3 and pushed the tempo
I always find it weird when younger fans question nash's mvp years when older fans know just how good he was and how fun it was to watch that suns team because of how good nash was.
He deserved 1 not 2
@@spoodyR3He deserved 2, he just didn’t win in the right years
@@spoodyR3he deserved 2 but not back to back
I think it’s mostly because they hear Shaq crying about it every chance he gets on TNT 😂
Facts thankyou for making this video. Its become like a trend to hate on Nash's MVPs. Whilst I dont think anyone argues the 05 MVP anymore he absolutely deserved the 06 MVP too. Led his team without Amare the ENTIRE season to a 54-28 record with the no.2 ofrtg. His teammates where shawn marion, raja bell, boris diaw, barbosa and tim thomas. If you think that team is winning 30 games without him then ur mistaken. From 02-10 his team was either 1st or 2nd in offensive rating, like thats absolutely insane. And its not like he had a team full of offensive superpowers like the 10s warriors it was amare and some nice role players.
Imagine leading a Lakers team with, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Slava Medvendenko, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton, Brian Cook. Imagine averaging 35+ppg while making 1st Team All-Defense in the same season while leading the league in scoring The only other player to accomplish that feat was Michael Jordan. The Lakers team has the 3rd best offensive rating in the league when Kobe was on the court 113 offensive rating with Kobe caring the load. With Kobe off the Floor the lakers Had a 92.4 Off Rtg that is 8.7. Points worse then the worst tean in the league. That year in the west you needed 44 wins to make the playoffs and the 60 win Mavericks had The 4th Seed So Kobe With one of the worst offensive teams and a below Average Defensive Team as shown as they had the 11th Worst Defensive Rating.
Kobe Bryant averaged 35.4 5.3 4.5 1.8 now if you take into account pace the League Average in 06 was 90.5 That is slower than todays, or in 06 only 5 teams averaged over 100 PPG where as today teams Average 105.6 PPG so Kobe's Stats per 100 Possessions are 45.6 PPG 6.8 RPG 5.8 APG 2.4 SPG. He was the game's best closer, game's best player, one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, and he lakers don't win 25 games without him.
Kobe Averaged 43.4 ppg for a whole month in January If you take the 81pt game out he still averaged 40.2 PPG in January.
For Almost 2 Months from December 20, 2005 to February 7th 2006 Kobe Averaged 40 PPG
Kobe Had 3 Streaks of 4 40+pt Games in a row including a streak of 5 40+pt Games
In the Last 9 Games of the Season Kobe Averaged 41.8 PPG on a 60.7 TS%
It's not hate. The only one that got hated on was Kobe Bryant. Westbrook won MVP see the hypocrisy. Have a blessed day.
@@koolkai4299 Kobe should have won more then lol.
@@koolkai4299what exactly did he lead the lakers to?
@@koolkai4299Kobe was awesome at that time. And yet Nash still beat him being down 3-1.
For all Kobe's abilities he couldn't run a team or enhance his teammates as effectively as Nash could and that is a big part of Nash's greatness that is easily overlooked. Nash's effect on his team's overall performance was more than the sum of his individual abilities and that included the way that he encouraged and included his teammates.
People also tend to value scoring over assists but each of Nash's assists resulted in 2-3 points. A 12 assist game was 24-36 points + his own 20. Sharing the ball that often put his teammates in such a rhythm that he empowered them with the confidence to perform on their own in the clutch and it diversified the offense enough to keep defenses guessing.
I feared Kobe at that time more than any other individual opponent, but opposing defenses had legitimate fear of Nash with the ball in his hands too.
Arguably Amare was also a role player. He had exactly two power moves at the rim, and almost nothing else in his bag. He had an infuriating habit of double-pumping his shots, turning easy wide open jumpers into difficult shots falling down. All his stats dropped by like 50% the first year he played without Nash even though he was 28-29yrs old and should have been at the height of his prime.
The Nash Suns team reminded me a lot of the German Soccer team 2010-2014 with Nash being similar to Ozil. The style of play is soo electrifying and magnificent.
Thats crazy cuz thats my 2 favorite players ever in each sport lol
There's no Curry without Steve Nash, his influence on the game gets so overlooked smh
Their game is nothing alike. Curry is more like a Reggie Miller if reggie Miller was able to play against modern day trash defenses.
What does that even mean, Curry would continue to be curry without nash
@@thecensoredmuscle563Curry has said that hes modeled his game after nash
I dunno how many times Curry said that his main influences are Nash and Reggie.
Do you really think great players weren't influenced by other players? Young Steph decided to model his game after Steve and Reggie and he took it to the next level. Nash handles, creativity and off dribble shooting fused with Miller's off ball movements. That's a deadly combo right there
Dude you know your basketball. I'm glad you're educating people on nash. Cause this generation has lost its mind. Great video...earned my sub for sure. No opinions ..just proved your points.
He's my favorite Point Guard of all time... he was one of the first people that inspired me to start playing and watching basketball. And I'll forever be grateful for that.
If the Suns won that 2007 series against the Spurs they would’ve won a championship. Next opponent was Jazz and in the finals they got the Cavaliers.
They whould have won if it was not for that bitch Robert horry and David stern
Yeah that 2nd round was the real 2007 NBA Finals lol
Nah got fouled and that ended up keeping him from a ring. Crazy
@@akeme25I even heard Wilson Sy say that when he did a topic on series that weren't the finals that felt more like the finals
One of my favorites. In my head this man has no turnovers in his NBA career 😂😂😂
BRO I’VE BEEN SAYING IT!!! NASH SHOULDVE WON 3 STRAIGHT IN 07!
No Dirk won 67 games and was 50 40 90
@@troykilby5394so? Nash put up 20,12 on 53,45,90 with better impact metrics and leading arguably the greatest offense of all time.
@@clover7726 so dirk had a worse team won 67 games with 50 40 90 in the west Nash had a 1st team all nba center Dirk was clearly the 2007 mvp it is rude to say he was not
Hell no. He was lucky to get two MVPs. Shawn Marion led the Suns in every statistical category in 2006 except assists & was the Suns best defensive player.
In 2005 when he won the award, he received the bulk of the credit when the media dismissed the circumstances surrounding the Suns missing the playoffs in 2004, when they made it in 2003. Plus Shawn Marion averaged 19.4pts, 11.3rebs, 1.9ast, 2stl, & 1.5blks per game. Amar'e averaged 26pts, 8.9rebs, 1.6ast, 1stl, & 1.6blks per game.
People from the NBA community love saying silly crap like Shaq carried Kobe when Kobe was averaging 22-30ppg during that championship run, but y'all wanna give Nash THREE CONSECUTIVE MVPs off those mundane numbers when his teammates were putting up much better stats while being significantly better defensively?!
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@@atlien1988 YAll dont understand basketball past the basic box score, when did Marion find the same success without Nash? Nash at his peak is a top 5 offensive player ever. His impact metrics blow any teamate he had out of water. And when his team needed him to score he would drop 30 on 60+ True Shooting in the playoffs consistently. Why didnt Jordan or Lebron lead better offenses than Nash when they had better teams? Without Nash the Suns were a lottery team, with Nash they were the best offense of all time.
Can we get a segment on vince carter being arguably the most underrated superstar of all time ?Because it's definitely debatable I know you'll kill it 💯🔥
Preciate the respect. Nothing but facts honesty. Though he may have been able to score more, what made Nash and the phoenix suns so special was how he played the game. Was so focused on getting teammates involved. Was awesome to be alive for that.
In 2005 Phoenix had the best 3 point duo in the NBA, Q-rich made the most 3's that season and joe shot 48% from 3 on over 5 attempts a game. The next season he has Raja and Boris as his 3 point shooters instead and Raja is 2nd in 3PM and 5th in 3P% and diaw wins MIP. That suns team won 54 games despite Steve losing over 52% of the teams scoring. In 2005 the Suns O/U was 44.5 so to get to 62 shows how much of an impact nash made when he signed there. There's a reason why when he signed In 2005 they were 1st in FG, 3P, 3PA, 3P%, PTS, and 2nd in FGA and FG% and won more games in their first 35 games of the season than all of the season before. Even after Joe got shipped to Atlanta and Q-rich went to New York with Amare out they were 1st in FG, FGA, FG$, 3P, 3PA, 3P%, PTS. Also in 2006 the teams pace was the same and they only scored 2 less PPG than in 2006 despite losing the best 3 point shooting duo and a 26 PPG scorer.
He deserved to win in 2005. Made that Suns team so exciting to watch. But in 2006? Should’ve been Kobe
Hell nah. Nash was leading the suns roster to more wins and Thats without stoudamire. Remove Nash from that suns roster is basically the same if you remove kobe off the lakers
If anyone it should’ve been dirk
Why Kobe in 06?
@@BooBooDaFoo330 was the most complete player in the game. Led LA with no all stars to the playoffs. Basically his comeback year after falling off in 2004 and 2005…Wade became the best SG in 05 but Kobe took that shit back. Yeah I know Nash had a crazy year. He deserved it in 2005. If anyone says Shaq deserved it they trippin. Dude Nash led a team with the worst record to the best record and made others all stars. Shaq wasn’t even LA Shaq in Miami it was Wade with his acrobatic moves getting Shaq looks. But I think Kobe should’ve got it in 06. That LA team was so trash. Literally carried them all year
@@curtlamar5046 Bron had better numbers than Kobe in 06 and lead his his team to more wins. What about him too then?
Nash was the rightful MVP….no Amare or Joe Johnson, lead the league in assists while putting up almost 20 a game, Suns won 54 games, Suns had the #2 offense and shot 50/40/90.
Not to mention Kobe blew a 3-1 lead against Nash lol
Easily a top 5 offensive player ever imo. Arguably the GOAT passer
That's magic for passer
Magic and Stockton are the goat passers.
@@thecensoredmuscle563not Stockton lmfao
Thank you! About time someone give Nash his respect!
Idc how anyone feels about him tbh. I'm from Phoenix and grew up during the Nash years. The 7SOL years were magical and he'll always be a legend here. I've met people from other countries who have said they got into basketball because of Nash and PHX. And that team was the blueprint for what would come with Curry and the Dubs. His lasting influence isn't super obvious at first glance, but it's massive.
If they weren't screwed out of a trophy, or if D'Antoni had just told him to score a bit more, he'd be remembered quite differently.
Failures
He's the reason I got into the NBA. I couldn't believe the way he could dominate a game with his limited physical abilities. The crazy thing is if they just could have gotten out of the WCF they could have beaten the East coast finals team every year (and they beat championship worthy teams in the playoffs multiple times too).
In 2006 the suns virtually lost Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, and Q-Rich, yet they still had the #2 offensive rating in the league. They were only #2 in TO rate despite leading the league in assists. Of course they still had good pieces around Nash, but are Marion, Bell, Diaw, Barbosa, James Jones, and Eddie house getting you anywhere near the #2 offensive rating without Nash? It’s so ironic to me how people point out the “low” ppg when he literally WAS the offense. He was their entire engine on that side of the floor. His impact on the floor is incredible
before Golden state there was the prototype the Dallas Mavs of the early 2000s with Dirk, Nash, Van exel, and Finley. I remember they were electrifying and gave me goosebumps cause they were ahead of their time. And then there was the Phoenix suns
True..but C Webb and the Kings owned the Dallas Mavericks in the early 2000's and then Tim Duncan and Kobe shut the Suns down in the mid to late 2000's
@@alexanderadonyae7937 Its because the mavs were a prototype back then, it wasn’t as complete as the warriors. Back then Dirk and Nash were still doing PnR isos and the game still heavily relied on bigs and scoring more on the paint. But Nash and Dirk have as much gravity as Steph and Klay specially Dirk with his size. Nick Van Exel and Finley were excellent shooters. They had all the tools, the problem was the era. There wasn’t as much ball movement as there is today
People acting like steve nash doesn't double his numbers in the playoffs. Look at embiid his numbers drop every playoffs. Nash made it to the conference finals thrice against loaded western conference including the lakers and spurs dynasty
You know I never thought about how amazing his offense is until now! He was my favorite player and I only focused on is floor control and assists, but looking back he could score at anytime from anyplace he wanted!! I just subbed because I think a play button would look great on your wall!
i hate how overlooked and disrespected nash is
I blame that pig Shaq for his constant whining. He is now discrediting Jokic in the same manner, for his latest MVP win. Some of that is racist in my opinion. All of it though, is ignorant hate.
Not only was Steve Nash a 2 time MVP, he'e one of the greatest shooters, passers, and point guards ever. I mean, this is a dude that shot 90% from the line, 50% from 2, and 40% from 3 FOUR times. Nobody else has done that.
The thing is, Nash, Rose and Westbrook won MVP’s that you NEEDED to *WATCH* to understand why they deserved it, box scores weren’t the reason they won and even for Westbrook it wasn’t the entire reason, I’m a LeBron fan but DRose without a doubt deserved that MVP, the best record in the East OVER Dwight Howard’s led Magic and LeBron, Wade and Bosh led Heat, not only was his team not the best but they where injured. Nash maybe wasn’t lighting the league up with outrageous stats but he did change the Suns’ a lot, he’s definitely over hated especially by Kobe fan boys.
No one is arguing 2005 he earned that one but 2006 there’s 3 dudes who should’ve won over him
ROSE was missing almost every shoot..and BULLS were great when he wasnt playing or he was on the bench...
@@spoodyR3 who??? because in 2006 J.JOHNSON and AMARE didnt play so that made NASH even a better CANDIDATE for the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER...
Rose won it because they got a higher seeding then the heat with a worse team, Westbrook won it just because of narrative and stats, Nash won it because of team wins
@@chilldoc9638 you are delusional...
Nash won because he was the most valuable player..can you speak English? Do you understand what Valuable means?
Rose wasnt valuable...Westbrick wasnt valuable he was stat padding leaving players Alone and begging his teammates to shoot to get fake assists ..his rebounds were allways uncontested..so basically he was throwing bricks and dumb fans like you Said he was great..
Rose wasnt doing anything special he was just a show man só dumb fans think that means he was great.
great, unbiased take. thanks for putting some respect to the man's name
Not a real MVP, but definitely an all time playmaker and shooter
Also a lot of players feel like he only won that second mvp because of the image problem that the nba was having at the time. The you had ai bring in his “street style”, you had Kobe with the case, you had the malice in the palace. Which I’m surprised he didn’t bring up in the video. I agree with one mvp but hell nah not two
Wait why you say not a real mvp
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 i dont see the on court impact guys in that era like garnett and dirk had
@@t-god2439 nash was without 3 of his top 4 best players Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson who left via free agency and Amare who tore his acl in game 3 of the season and they still went on to win 54 Gms #2 seed in the West with the No.1 rated offense in 05-06 he would've won image problem or not let it go bruh
@@samantharay6098 then obviously you don't know basketball or werent paying attention to the video if you couldnt see the impact
Nash was a joy to watch. His passing round the back was incredible and his shooting is good too. Just not aggressive enough as he is a PG and chose to pass the ball then shoot it.
Those suns teams were nuts too, amare, Nash, Marion, johnson, and Richardson on the same team is crazy
For as good as Steve nash was. He was NEVER good enough to make it over the hump.
People just like to overlook his weaknesses. He didn't have the ability to take over a game and let's not even talk about defense.
The fact that Steve Nash is probably the best underdog story in the history of the NBA, and people still try to tear him down, is crazy to me.
He didn't deserve being a two time mvp over kobe and shaq that's laughable
It’s not
@@Abbad1579 so it is of have stacked team and not doing lot
@@nature-kv3xe He went up against better teams lmao
Preach brother!! 100% nailed it. This video should be taught in schools
For Nash's Offensive Players of All Time: He's got to be (at minimum) Top 25. As for his PG ranking: 6 or 7 (only DEFINITIVELY behind: Magic, Steph, AI, Jerry West, and Oscar)
Shoutout to FMVP Tony Parker. Hugely underrated pg and I don't know why. I watched him dominate the playoffs with that stupid floater.
Ppl overate Stockton but not nash
He would've won in 07 is they weren't screwed for that BS suspension.
Nothing bs about it, they broke the rules. Plus they were only suspended for game 5 and still lost in 6 lol, even though spurs never got back Horry.
Steve Nash was the reason I got into basketball. Man was a magician with the ball and made passing look more exciting than scoring.
Saying Nash was only the product of D'antoni is ludicrous. Why does no one else get that treatment? Like Kobe/MJ being the product of Phil Jackson?
I unfortunately to see Steve Nash for less than 10 minutes and that was the rest of his career. It was a sad season
Basketball isn't a game for tiny white Canadians
IDK if he is a better offensive player than
Jokic
Harden
MJ
Magic
Steph
Lebron
Shaq
Kareem
Wilt
Kobe
Jerry West
or Moses Malone
but he's still underrated
Totally agree, Nash is the most underrated superstar all time. His passing skills were c'mon off the charts and shooting efficiency also off the charts. I liked your point Nash that was robbed in 2007 by not winning his third MVP, his best season as an NBA player.
He proved why Nash should not win. Surrounded by talent and lost. When he went to mavericks and left they won because Kidd played D, ran efficient offense, Kidd had similar players, hit 3's, balanced a team at hardest position, No Nash failed. NBA was trying to change image from Iverson and Kobe to international. Who is popular today...?
one of my main litmus tests for someone's NBA knowledge is their opinion on steve nash. Dude was easily one of the best offensive weapons of all time
Nash is underrated because assist is an underrated stat in the game. When you see something like 10 assists per game, it doesn't look like a big deal. When in fact, 10 assists is at least 20 points.
Always hated how people talk down on Nash like he wasn't any good... winning 2 MVPs has got to mean something lol
I think it goes to show how people either forget the context of the time (lot's of these fellas probably weren't even born for Nash's MVP years) or fall really easily in line with the formation of popular narratives
Nash was truly the most *valuable* player for his team and his teams for those two seasons were arguably one of the best in the league.
IMO, people need to realize, Steve Nash kinda orchestrated the blueprint of the style of bsaketball that is played today. The Run n Gun Suns of 2005 to 2010 was a blueprint the Goldenstate Warrriors perfected. In fact Steph Curry himself admits that he templates his gamme after 2 players, Reggie Miller and Steve Nash.
In 1992, Magic was wrong. Steve Nash was the next Larry Bird. Turned a team around, 4x 50 40 90 seasons. Court IQ, passing, shooting
I love this!! I remember the time watching the Nash Suns live! Come to think of it, he definitely was the most disrespected mvp In the NBA. He is definitely underrated and one of the best NBA players I’ve ever seen in person. Everything you said is on point!
Now that's a very nice thumbnail sir!
Favorite Player. I have never enjoyed watching an offense more than the floor he ran
As a Suns fan during his MVP seasons, I remember times when the Suns offense wouldn’t score when Nash was on the bench (aka the floor).
I really appreciate this video. Thank you
He is the best female nba player of all time, gotta give u that
Respectfully, the Mavs only got to face the Spurs in 03 because Chris Webber got hurt.
Facts
I was just thinking Imagine if that kings team had Nash instead of Bibby
Simply because in all honesty his mvps are historically inaccurate. Shaq has 1, Kobe has 1 KD has 1... Tim duncan has 2 Malone has 2.. so if i wasnt a fan of basketball 1. I'd think Nash was better than Kobe, KD and Shaq. 2. Id think hes equal to Tim duncan. In historical context it just seems wrong
mvps don’t measure how good a player someone is, we know this
But you have to be great to win MVP? And I also don’t think Nash deserved two. I think it had more to do with the image problem the league was facing at the time.
@@t-god2439 thank you! I didn't want to make it about that but that's definitely a big reason
@@keymncole oh but It does in totality, mj and Bron are most people goats one has 5 the other has 4... so you mean to tell me nash deserved 2 it's the greatest individual award a player can receive but if we had an mvp draft he might be 1 of the last picks people would make
@@KobaniacMinded a lot of players in playing in the league at that time feel the same way
Steve Nash got MVP having only 20 pts and 10 assts but LeBron got 25 points 10 assts and 6 rbds didn't get any votes .
Stats are only part of the reason for mvp
People love to discredit Nash, including players, but in his prime Suns years he absolutely destroyed the best teams and players in the league on a consistent basis. He was literally unstoppable; he was either going to get a great look for a teammate (10 assists=20-30 pts btw) or score himself, effortlessly, every possession. From a skill perspective only Curry ranks ahead of him (in shooting) and mentally/psychologically he was at the same level as MJ, Bird, Magic, and Stockton. Put the right personnel and coaching philosophy around him and his team could compete with any team in any generation with him as the best player.
Steve Nash propaganda must be heard. Tired of him being disrespected just because one of his MVPs was controversial while the other one was hands down his to win
Nash knows exactly when to shoot and when to pass, only weakness on the defensive end ,a top 10 PG ever and those MVPs well deserved
The thing about Steve was he wasn't great on D. But he tried so hard. He took charges. Played with a broken nose...then he set during the game lol. Bloody face. He was tough. He wasn't set up to play great D...just not his skill set. But he sure did try hard...and thats with expending SO much energy on offense. Lots of great PGs weren't good on D...magic is the perfect case.
Not a phoenix fan. Not a Nash fan.
No problem saying he deserved MVP.
50/40/90, high usage, and best player on the best team in the regular season.
This guy made his teammates rich
Nah Russell Westbrook not winning more mvps is disrespectful af, he averaged a triple double 2 more times without even being top 5 in mvp votes
Watched NBA from the late 60's; basically stopped around 2015. I refrain ranking players; but instead assign them from 1-10 of 1-10 (1 is terrible, 10 is a cream of the crop superstar). Nash was in a number of players scoring a 10. Bird, Alcindor and Nash are the only players to turn around a team from the year before they arrived.
Nash was MVP in the truest sense. That team could not function without him, and no one else in could do what he did for that team.
Winning a championship during that period was like going through a minefield specially in the West. Spurs, Lakers, Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, Houston.
Also a lot of players feel like he only won that second mvp because of the image problem that the nba was having at the time. The you had ai bring in his “street style”, you had Kobe with the case, you had the malice in the palace. Which I’m surprised he didn’t bring up in the video. I agree with one mvp but hell nah not two
He deserved 2007 not 2006 tho
Heavily disagree with this especially the 2nd mvp. Kobe was averaging 35 a night and lebron was averaging 31 7 and 6. Ain’t no way he shoulda won that lol. Plus Nash played 0 defense
Obviously your wrong nash was without 3 of his top 4 best players Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson who left via free agency and Amare who tore his acl in game 3 of the season and they still went on to win 54 Gms #2 seed in the West with the No.1 rated offense in 05-06 with only Shawn marion riding shotgun
Yes, because scoring alone = MVP player (sarcasm)
If Chris Paul retired right now, who's career and impact on the game do you believe was greater between him and Steve Nash?
Steve Nash because he made every team he played on better
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390not the lakers
@@sudowoodo5826 they said played
Nash has the most 50-40-90 seasons in NBA history and it’s not even close. He has better shooting percentages than Ray Allen, Miller, Durant, AND Curry and Klay. If Nash shot just a little more times per game, he wouldn’t be disrespected as much. Imagine how many 50+ games he would’ve had if he shot more 3s at 43% instead of trying to get 15apg
I really wanted Steve Nash to win in 2007. Despite me not being born yet. If Steve Nash won a ring, everyone will say that Steve Nash is one of the greatest PGs of All Time.
I think everyone considers him top 5 or top 6 depending on if you consider Jerry West a PG. Him vs Kidd is still somehow a question to many, which it shoudnt be, but I am personally still picking Isaiah over him on the 3rd spot. I would understand though if you were to say that Isaiah had the better career and was the worse player, though I do feel like he is quite underrated in his own right
Nash is only disrespected by many Kobe fans who accuse the former of "robbing" the latter, with half of them even being racist towards the former player. Other than them, Nash is pretty much respected by everyone else, even the Spurs players.
Great facts here in general but You got a couple things inaccurate though. Nash WAS an all star in 02, AND all nba...both 02 and 03. He was the best offensive point guard in the league back then, we just didnt know it at the time.
Also 07 was the suspension year. Semantics i guess lol.
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This is my guy❤ Right on
Nash was never even a top 3 individual player even during his prime. Thats what gets me fcked up
Steve Nash was the Steph Curry of the 2000s.
1:50, that's crazy to think they all played together.
His MVPs are disputed because he won them against kobe and shaq. Had each of them won those mvps, they both would have had 2 and be higher in all time list. Nash deserved those mvps and that’s what makes them special. He won them against two of top 10 players.
Fun to watch! If I played with Nash my point average would go up to 2.3 up from 0.7
As a black person non American
I think it's a reverse racism
I think that the debate has been closed since years for me
But certain person do not accept
He maybe not the most dominant mvp
But he has carried his team during his both mvp season
I think Nash fit the moniker "most valuable" better than a lot of other MVP in the past who were perhaps the best player rather than most valuable to their respective teams.