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Oh no I have no hate towards Disney I find the movies very fun and will love it because it's Star Wars no matter what, but what you said about money and not wanting to go deep because it's all a business is so accurate. Now EA on the other hand...well I won't go there
Well...they are to blame for not producing a Kotor 3. It was nearly in production when Bioware was bought out. Mass Effect took Precedent as well as Dragon Age. The MMO was pawned off to a separate portion of Bioware in Texas I believe. Of course EA wanted to have an MMO under their belt. Everyone wants in on the next best MMO that will milk them money. That being said, they could be in a position to develop a Kotor3 once they figure out that will make them a lot of money. I get the feeling Disney and EA want to be mutually beneficial towards each other, so all we get is awful Battlefront games that reference the films. The corporate control of this IP is truly fucked. Even though Disney completely dissolved all Star Wars lore as not canon, they have this goal of trying to keep people indoctrinated. I could care less about episode 9 and I would not want Disney to make an Old Republic style movie because they would never be able to show the complexities of situations. As well as cutting a ton of the story to fit it in some nice trilogy.
No there wont be one... the new owners (disney) have already stated, (in a way) that their story will be original.. even though it's off the basis of an already and well produced story... it's all legends my friend.. and any new "old, old" star wars stories will be cannon above what we've witnessed today... as far as Disney is concerned, Revan never existed period.
No matter how you play Meetra, she is a very human character even though she was overpowered, Rey is the overpowered plank of wood in Star Wars. Meetra also had an explanation for her power, Rey was woman power SJW nonsense.
@@stephenhansen1789 How the hell can you say that Meetra was a "very human character" when we play as Meetra in the game? We choosing how to play doesn't make her a good character.
@@thomasjefferson2813 I think the writing for the player dialogue and the way that Obsidian portrayed Meetra in key scenarios (like stabbing her lightsaber into the center-stone of the counsel chamber) made her human. She wasn't the emotionless calm jedi, she was strong-willed and principled even if she never says a word, and the writing for a lot of the player choices reflects that pretty well. I also wouldn't really say she was overpowered story-wise, certainly way way way less so than they're making Rey or the new Palpatine now days.
I couldn't agree more with you about how they treated Meetra in the MMO game. I felt while everyone was upset with Episode 1-2-3. Revan, Bastila, and Meetra kept Star Wars on life support till Episode 7 came out. It's good to see Meetra fans out there. Thanks for the video!
I feel I speak on behalf of the _Kotor_ fans when I say the second instalment was the true ending for the Exile. What happened thereafter was left to the fans to ponder. What came after in the books and later games were not true to the originals. Revan should have remained masked and somewhat silent and The Exile was on par with Revan, if not a better warrior but with Revan being more strategic- perhaps. They should continue the story in a Third instalment and simply act as if the others didn’t exist 😂. *NotMyExile*
I think that her and revan ending in swtor and the books might have been the right ending because of what traya says to the exile in kotor 2. That the force has its own will and all those force users, especially the strong ones like meetra and revan, are playballs for the force and that they will die, like all the others before and after them.
*Goes on to become one of the greatest fighters in the war against armour-clad, world-destroying brutes, becomes a wound in the force, trains the true Jedi who would one day rebuild the Order, defeats the Sith Triumvirate (who are three of the deadliest and most interesting Sith Lords who have ever lived), goes onto rescue the Prodigal Knight...* ...and gets instantly killed with a literal backstab. *What the fuck is this horseshit?!*
@@tommygunengineer9184 It's called bullfuckingshit writing and a sad destruction of a character that is not even Bioware's. It's funny how through the story of the The Exile Obsidian actually made Revan a more of a BADASS than Bioware did in KOTOR 1. I just hope somehow Disney retcons the Revan novel and allows us to have a KOTOR 3 with both The Exile and Revan.
To me there is a difference between the Jedi Exile and Meetra Surik, which is strange to say, but not unreasonable. I say that because the character of the Jedi Exile in KOTOR II was very powerful and had a very strange connection to the force as she was a wound in the force and created intense force bonds, etc... By Contrast, Meetra Surik in The Old Republic: Revan by Drew Karpyshyn, which is where she gets her canonized name and gender is just a secondary character that while a strong light side jedi is nothing special. Karpyshyn really tones her down compared to her game incarnation, which I get why as the book is primarily about Revan. but still, the author did her a grave misservice in the book. I know they had to write things a certain way for the SWTOR game that was coming out and needed things to line up properly for the direction that game was taken. Regardless, I think the Exile got the short end of the stick.
I echo your thoughts exactly. Although I like the name 'Meetra Surik' and her being a female character, that's about it. They're definitely different characters in my eyes too. The Drew version of The Exile is so disrespectful to the character Chris Avellone created for KOTOR 2. Which is funny, because The Revan character that Drew made for the book 'Revan' was so disrespectful to the character he had created for KOTOR 1 😂
100% Star Wars Well in all fairness I doubt that the outcome of the book was even Drew’s vision. Think about it. You don’t give your baby a very embarrassing and disappointing end. I believe it was BioWare that told Drew what the outcome should be so they could line it up with their sub par mmo
I absolutely agree. Meetra’s appearances in the book and SWTOR were a severe insult to the character. All of KOTOR 2 seems to be glossed over as having not happened, or as being irrelevant, which is really thoroughly frustrating. The book in particular is poor with this, completely ignoring the destruction of the Jedi Order, but the MMO does the same. Meetra pretty much saved and rebuilt the whole damned Jedi Order, but in all of the Star Wars EU, her name has never been spoken aloud. So...yeah. Sad times. She is such a wonderful character, one of the most intriguing Jedi we’ve ever seen, but Bioware just threw her away as disposable canon fodder.
Cailus Griffin Your comment is exactly how I feel.. so thanks. I hope they ret-con what happened with Revan and The Exile and just give them the endings they deserve.
I think the reason I hate the fate of Revan and Meetra in the novel is because, in a franchise that kinda/gets off on its happy endings, I feel like these two, Bastila included, were warranted some. These weren’t just characters that we saw and fell in love with (Luke, Leia, Han, etc), but characters who we actually were. Characters who we spent hours, if not days or weeks, embodying. And to see them essentially get washed to make way for the MMO just hurts me. I love The Old Republic, but I tend to ignore the Revan stuff, because the fates of the characters just sours me.
Man I really like the portraial of Revan and Meetra Surik in the KotOR series, but you just made me both scared and curious about that novel. Is it the one titled "Revan"? Might take a look.. Didn't care that much for Bastila due to how annoying she was in KotOR 1 (the memes about her being so defiant of Malak while he was torturing her, only to turning DSide in the next in-game 5 minutes, were hilarious tho, ngl)
@@nmpltleopardi It is indeed the one called Revan. If you really want to read it, then by all means, it’s an interesting read. But if you go into it being a big fan of KOTOR and KOTOR 2, you’re probably gonna be pissed off.
Blame Drew Karpyshyn for that! XD. No not really, he's made some really good stuff, but it's clearly a shoehorn for the characters and it was a lazy attempt.
It was the only way she could fulfill the role Karpyshynn wanted, which is a massive crutch in his writing - when he needs something to happen, the skill, power, and experience of a character means nothing. She's powerful enough to dissolve into the Force and become a Force spirit to strengthen Revan (an unusual ability in the Old Republic), but not powerful enough to see Scourge's sudden treachery. It's why each character in both KotoR I and II get captured over and over again (often by chumps) while still being able to overthrow Malak, Sion, Nihilus, and Traya.
she didnt see scourge's betrayal coming because he did not decide or intend to betray them until the last second where he had his final vision. his betrayal wasnt a true betrayal but a set-up to pave the way for the jedi who would eventually kill the emperor. he was still on their side even when he was killing meetra. thats why she never saw it coming, because there was no treachery present in his mind.
I can actually buy that but I'm a bit too ready to see problems in Karpyshynn's writing when they seem to be consistent with other genuinely poor moments. I think Karpyshynn has some amazing ideas but he can be really lazy in some places. I shouldn't bring too much negativity though, since you're right, that's a fair point and plausible reason.
@@100StarWars Karpshyn only did this to drag Revan to the MMO where Revan's popularity would make sure that more people played the game and to squeeze even more money out of it by using it on an expansion.(I don't think Drew is entirely to blame though. It's likely that Bioware and EA demanded him to find out some way to shoehorn Revan to the MMO)
Meetra was a badass character in KOTOR! I agree with you about all that! I loved the SWTOR game too, but I wish Meetra and Reven didn't have to go out the way they did to make that happen. But its not canon anymore so fingers crossed for a remake!
If SWTOR didn't have anything to do with KOTOR, I would've loved it! And fingers crossed. Things like the Ebon Hawk's ship class and hammerhead cruisers are now canon so we have to wait and see!
Always loved kortor really wish we could get a kortor 3 with meetra and revan together on the battlefeild would be awesome to see but we got the old republic instead lol
It's just. It's the player character If they just called the character The Exile or something and say that The Jedi Exile was male or female it would feel better. Espeecially Since I always play as a male jedi
True. Even though The Old Republic Era is no longer canon. Though they are trying to bring it back inch by inch. Revan I consider cannon cause they were about to introduce him to the newer Clone Wars TV show.
KOTOR 2 was 100% the better game in my opinion. Even with bugs and missing content it was amazing. The restored content mod only further distanced itself from the first game.
The fact she strolled into the Traya Academy and took down scores of dark jedi and sith on her lonesome is Gat Damn Epic... Seen as I'm the one that did it 😎
My friend I had to come back to this video again like last year because this is where it all started for me. It's been 3 years now since I discovered this video after watching Darthycey's videos about Meetra Surik because she's such a fascinating character and began corresponding with you. I've so enjoyed watching all your videos to understand the vast galaxy of Star Wars since before I met you my knowledge of KOTOR came from the fan made videos. It also means so much to me that you've also put up with me for this long😂only 4 episodes of Clone Wars left and I'm not happy about it. We have no more Star Wars content after Clone Wars ends because the Mandalorian won't return until October and it's just rumor going around about a sequel to the Rebels series. All we have left is the Star Wars comics? Anyway thank you my friend for letting me be a part of the Star Wars universe with you. Please take and be safe in these uncertain times we're in🙏
My friend I had to again come back to this video because this is where it started for me knowing about you back in April 2017. It's been 4 years now since I started corresponding with you and on this video. After I had watched all of Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile i was curious and fascinated to know more about her and that's when I discovered your TH-cam channel. Going back to your last video I also enjoyed watching Meetra's story arc from KOTOR 2 but I have to say I liked how Darthycey changed the ending of Meetra being killed by Lord Scourge when rescuing Revan. Meetra Surik's story arc deserved a better ending and I agree with you that SWTOR treated her character terribly in the game. Your friendship has meant a lot to me my friend
Just know I consider her to be one of The Greatest Jedi Masters to have ever lived and I consider her official master to be Kavar because I feel like he’s a great teacher for someone like Meetra Surik that and because there’s just something about him I like dunno what it is but I just like him
... yea, very disrespectful and inglorious ending of the story about one of the greatest heroes in Jedi history... another sad thing is that she could not [or didn't even attempt ?] to reform the Jedi Order [preferably the Code too] with all the wisdom she gained from Kreia and personal experience. So Jedi stayed stagnant inquisitory Order for centuries while the Sith evolved multiple times ...
This was an extremely well-written explanation of this Jedi character. Genuinely impressed, especially considering the complexity of the source material. I agree that the mmo story really did not do her justice - really disappointing. I'd love if we could get another Star Wars game like KOTOR and KOTOR 2, but considering they're officially Disney-non-canonical I highly doubt that. Suppose we'll just have to leave that to fanfiction!
Thank you, that means a lot ❤ I think we'll see some more KOTOR stories in the future, it only makes sense. But with that, I don't think they'll have the same quality, because they're likely to be very restrained in how far they can go with the storytelling. Whether they will be games though, I don't know.
Great video for a great but often overlooked character, and you are quite correct how poorly they wrote the ending of her story. I'll never forgive The Old Republic for how it treated all the characters from Kotor 1 & 2, you put it very well how they where treated and it's truly a shame as they where far superior characters.
Who else is disappointed with the fact the the exile lost to Darth nihirous or what ever she was called. I mean killing three of the most deadly Sith in an row and then oh look a member of the dark council time to die
those sith were not TRUE sith. they did not grow their powers in the same way the true sith empire cultivated their acolytes. nihilus, traya, and sion were weaklings compared to nihirous and the other sith on the dark council.
Is Tatooine a wound in the Force too ? That's kinda the impression I was under when the Tuskan Raiders explained their history. And it would explain a lot of stuff.
I love your channel, your content, and especially your writing and narrative style. It makes me wish you’d consider writing SW short stories and novellas, especially about Revan. Not necessarily about changing his history, so to speak, but maybe using artistic license to do a story about some mini adventures to fill in the spaces between his major plot points. And of course something similar with Meetra, Bastilla, Satele, Tasiele, and all the other ‘real’ SW heroines.
14:25 and on you play a piano cover of the restored Jedi Enclave music from KotOR 2, one of my absolute favorite tracks in the whole game. But I can't find it anywhere on Lucas King's channel! Do you know what it's called?
It's a strange one xD It's on a channel called Lucas King - But I'm not completely sure if it's THE Lucas King. I've contacted him to see if it is, but I never got a response. Anyway, here is the cover - th-cam.com/video/wGkD8WLI_gs/w-d-xo.html
Everything was amazing! ...Until TOR. Damn them for the bad writing of Revan, the Exile and their associations. So much wasted potential. One thing that always pissed me off is how the Exile apparently becomes a Force ghost after her unceremonious death (seriously, the woman was a war machine. She shouldn't have been that easy to kill). Hoe exactly could she, a wound in the Force, a breach cut off from it that didn't have a true connection to it after the Mandalorian Wars, manage to become a Force ghost, which is effectively a sentient spirit within the Force!? Hell, if they needed her spirit they could have done something more interesting by having her be more of a sentient echo, not a Force ghost but a Force absence. Not sure how that would work, but it'd be better than making her a generic Force ghost!
I really think that makes sense. Like an absence that can be felt and heard like a ghost, but not a ghost. I like it! But yeah, I don't like how she died either or their treatment of any of the characters.
Thanks! Thought it would have made the most sense; it could be called something like a Force shadow, a presence parting it and flitting through it rather than emerging from it. Like in life, the shadow of her could cause disquiet and unease in those near it due to still being a wound. Anyway, yeah, the games did not treat any of the old characters well. Even Revan is a shell of a character compared to the background we got before. Would of been interesting if they had actually kept with the original game in his case I think - that Revan himself was gone, and the person the Jedi had made out of him was his own individual, merely bearing the memories of the one who came before rather than being the same man with amnesia (so slightly similar to Steven in the cartoon 'Steven Universe'). If I may further blabber on - one theory I've seen that the games actually give a lot of weight for is how Revan and the Exile were not friends but rivals, perhaps even ideological enemies. It almost mirrors the Sith Triumvirate - the Jedi General Triumvirate of the Mandalorian Wars. Kreia, SIon, Nihlius mirroring Revan, Malak and the Exile.
It's far from unheard of. There are many accounts in both reality (Churchill and Stalin would be the first example coming to mind for me there) and fiction of skilled rivals, friendly or not, having to work together for one reason or another, and the rivals will typically trust in each other simply because they both know the other can get the job done well at minimum. Besides, I'm not certain the Exile is ever called Revan's most trusted ally in KotOR 2 (the MMO and its books/comics may say such, but I don't trust them much due to how badly they treated the past content of their world). The Exile certainly had some form of mutual respect for Revan, and Revan certainly saw her as useful, but it seems far more likely that he trusted Malak over the Exile.
Oh I don't doubt that he trusted Malak more, afterall, they were like brothers more than allies. But in my headcanon, Meetra and Revan were extremely good friends, as well as trusted allies.
i felt a bit of desperation while playing kotor 2 due to the state of the galaxy, but i realized i actually liked not having any insane fleets in play like sith armada from kotor. i like the idea of skilled, powerful force user travelling the galaxy. dealing with everyday ppl problems.
One of the most complex and tragic characters in the entire franchise. Honestly a better character than Revan in a lot of ways, who is also right up there for most compelling characters.
After all these years Kotor has been out, it still never ceases to amaze me what depths the story and characters reached. The dialogue and lore are so rich. The arrogance and one-sided nature of the Jedi is put on display. The Jedi are no longer a group to be admired, but instead almost scorned for remaining aloof from the conflicts across the galaxy in their self-righteousness. George Lucas created an amazing universe in the original trilogy, but I much prefer the conflicts in the Old Republic. There's so much more grey area to explore. The new trilogy really set a new low for Star Wars. The deeper themes were completely ignored for a $ grab.
Meetra Surik is an alright name. What, were you expecting her to be named Karen or Joe after yourselves?? I have no problem with the name, I have a HUGE problem with what they did with her in that novel, not THAT pisses me off, and as far as I am concerned, there is no story beyond KOTOR II, until we get KOTOR III.
That Papatia Quinn’s master was Bastilia and she was a beacon at an early age! That was I the one who taught them to see through the force!!!! ❤❤❤Papatia Quinn
Dun Moch is not a combat form but a tactic. Further she was not one of the only Jedi to master it. Its commonly seen used by Obi Wan, Anakin, Dooku, Ashoka and many others.
I think sometimes the stories that are hinted at are better than the answers we get. Before SW:TOR, I assumed that Revan and The Jedi Exile went off to stop the Ancient Sith, a looming threat that no one knew about except Revan and Kreia, that threatened to destroy the whole galaxy. Considering they are still ancient history by the time of the movies, I assumed that they must have succeeded, a story that was easy to believe given their sheer power. No one saw them again, they just took one for the galaxy, because that's what heroes do. SW:TOR relegated them to minor side characters once they were no longer in the hands of the player, which was the main reason I refused to play it. At least Bioware didn't make the same mistake in Dragon Age: Inquisition, where the Hero of Ferelden is conveniently off on an important quest elsewhere, so their badassery can't be contradicted. I consider the Jedi Exile's "Wound in the Force" and it's implications to be the greatest story Star Wars has ever told in any medium.
I'm doubtful there ever will be a Dragon Age 4 considering most of the creative team left Bioware this year. If they do, it will be almost impossible to satisfy everyone with how their own Hero's story goes, though I'd appreciate the effort. There are way more permutations to deal with compared to Revan or The Jedi Exile. I know I would love to see the Hero, Hawke, and the Inquisitor team up, but I don't know if they'll ever have the resources to handle something like that with what they lost this year with ME: Andromeda and how much pressure they're under to make Anthem succeed. It would be simpler to leave little hints about the Hero and not trounce on anyone's dreams.
Quick question where the hell was Bastilla Shan during the Dark Wars, she shows up at the end if your Revan was light side, but they never explain where she's been or why none of the other Jedi seem to acknowledge her presence. p.s. Who was more influential Bastilla or Meetra
Bastila was hiding to protect her and Revan's son - That's a good question... I'd say Meetra. Meetra was vital to the reconstruction of the Jedi philosophy as well as the order itself. She was a key figure in saving the republic from the Mandalorians, and brought down arguably the greatest threat in galactic history in Nihilus. Bastila on the other hand played a part in redeeming Revan, and her battle meditation swung the tide of the Star Forge conflict, that's about it.
Kotor 2, one of the best games and storylines out there. Rented this before the first one as a kid and never returned it lol the store went of business so didn’t have to worry! But maybe that has something to do with the video store closing.. or technology lol
I strongly agree with you. I personally disconsider any of the stories people made after the KOTOR series and also any development related to the MMO. Obsidian rushed as hell still can make some of my favorite stories in the SW universe. They should have their work respected.
It's still a good story if only we would pretend that the old republic game never happened (the PC game). Also make a Kotor 3 with multiple endings of course.
Do I believe the nonsense of her "demise", absolutly not, never in a million years would Meetra Surik battle three of the toughest sith lords just to travel to Dromund Kaas alone and trusting Lord Scourge blindly at first sight. So no fucking way do I believe that bullshit and I agree with you in the end about the lazy writing.
I believe, if Disney ever did a KOTOR movie! This is the story that should be told. Dave Filoni and John Favreau as Executive producers, Derek Kolstad as the screenwriter, Joe and Anthony Russo as directors, Keanu Reeves as Revan, Charlize Theron as Meetra Surik, Charles Dance as Emperor Vitiate and Dave Bautista as Lord Scourge!
Meetra surrik had a daughter who was also exiled for following Revens son ❤❤❤❤❤Her name is Papatia Quinn ❤❤❤❤❤who Bastilia and mission and juhuni trained! But her true master was Mical ❤❤❤❤
I thought of KOTOR 3 to be called The Rise of Darth Plagueis with Darth Plagueis being the antagonists day showing how Sheev Palpatine became Darth Sidious and bringing the KOTOR series into the Canon Star Wars World while concluding it at the same time
My favorite SW protagonist I read some comments about how powerfull she may have been. I always envisioned the Exile specializing in hand to hand/lightsaber combat because in the game she beats strong close combat characters without using the force. Plus when she lost the ability to use the force, it seemed logical to me that she would refine her CQC skills. I would put her around the same level as Malak. PS : I mostly played as Male exile (Meetro) because I liked Handmaiden/Brianna more than Diciple/Mical
I can't help but think that Riven's character design and lore from LoL was inspired by Meetra Surik. They both are Exile's and they look are very similar in looks.
I really like the Revan novel. I just hated the way it ended. Meetra's death felt so cheap. I understand why they did it, because the Jedi Knight character in SWTOR is suppose to be the hero, but still, the way Drew wrote it, it made no sense for Scourge to kill Meetra, Revan and Meetra were winning. if he just stood there and did nothing, the Emperor would be dead (as we find out later, that isn't really true, but you know). But instead, Drew cheapened Meetra by stabbing her in the back. I know to many, Revan is their favorite character, but for me, the Jedi Exile is the best star wars character they have ever made, and Revan number 2.
While she was away after the mandalorian wars she was at sea and had gotten hit by a ship while swimming in the sea it nearly killed her. But then master kavar found her and carried her back to duxan to get medical care for her and to find out what had happened to and that’s when they found out she was pregnant by Shen Quinn so she stayed away for 10 years till her son calt Quinn was born and turned 10 years old then she went back to talk to reven and carth onasi her mentor during the wars and reven who had become her best friend. She talked to the Jedi on Dantaween and is returning now to the old republic to find out what happened to her after the wars and all this time had passed and she wanted answers from her friends and the jedi
Basically SWTOR is a version of Revan's story and the Exiles, it has no continuation from the first 2 games other than the characters and nothing else. In truth the the real story ending should be decided by us the players ,good or bad, evil or lesser evil, have a game or a book that details their life and events that followed and what happened to their friends, KOTOR2 promised so much more, and KOTOR 1 again made the foundation, but i guess maybe one day we will get what we deserve.
I loved the story of KOTOR 2, and the exile was such a phenomenal character. I hate how her story and Revan's were handled in the novel, it completely ignored and disrespected the journey of KOTOR 2, it was a disgrace. SWTOR's handling of Revan was trash also
I wish I could restore all the comments on this video because this is where it started for us last year my friend. " Meetra Surik please help Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger save Hera and help the Rebel Alliance fight against the Empire." George
If anyone accepts Meetra Suriks story about her trip to Dromund Kaas, her trusting a sith for no reason and her piss poor excuse for a demise, then shitty writing is truly your favorite thing.
ItsRyanYT why not both? I always do light side first since that’s how the story is supposed to be played according to the lore. Then go dark side on the second play through. Just take a break between playthroughs or you may get burned out.
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100% star wars can you do a video of who is daegen lok please.
My favorite jedi sith in star wars is revan and you have done a lot of videos on him and they are all awesome
@@MoonStar-ux9yx I don't know who daegen lok is so I might learn somthing new about star wars if he does
I just watched your gamplay on that game but I haven't see Revan. In one the. Battle
Peace be upon 🌿 you Mithra!.
Even though Kotor 2 was rushed and incomplete towards the end, the team behind both games are true dedicated Star Wars fans.
It's a beautiful and dark Star Wars story!
A Thought Crime I think Kotor I and II is the best definition of what star wars can be legendary games. But Kotor 2 is the best one.
A Thought Crime I got it on my pc and downloaded the restored content mod. It was so much better then the Vanilla version.
@@100StarWars I never liked it. It needed another sequel. Kotor 1 was better.
They (motor 1 and 2)are the foundation that let Lucas expand the series
I love how ‘strengthen her abilities in the force from people’s deaths’ is basically explaining the in game mechanic of leveling up haha
RIP T3, The real hero of this story...
Not the hero they deserved but the hero they needed
Nihilus word son
@@100StarWars T3 is the hero we all need
Wait, did he die?
@@jlord5078 Unfortunately yes.
This entire storyline is so deep and sooo interesting. Disney and EA is going the opposite direction, we need to go back to the Old Republic!
I have no hate towards either. I just want KOTOR 3 haha.
Oh no I have no hate towards Disney I find the movies very fun and will love it because it's Star Wars no matter what, but what you said about money and not wanting to go deep because it's all a business is so accurate. Now EA on the other hand...well I won't go there
I think EA are being harshly treated, but they have brought most of it upon themselves. I'm 50/50 with them.
Well...they are to blame for not producing a Kotor 3. It was nearly in production when Bioware was bought out. Mass Effect took Precedent as well as Dragon Age. The MMO was pawned off to a separate portion of Bioware in Texas I believe. Of course EA wanted to have an MMO under their belt. Everyone wants in on the next best MMO that will milk them money.
That being said, they could be in a position to develop a Kotor3 once they figure out that will make them a lot of money. I get the feeling Disney and EA want to be mutually beneficial towards each other, so all we get is awful Battlefront games that reference the films.
The corporate control of this IP is truly fucked. Even though Disney completely dissolved all Star Wars lore as not canon, they have this goal of trying to keep people indoctrinated. I could care less about episode 9 and I would not want Disney to make an Old Republic style movie because they would never be able to show the complexities of situations. As well as cutting a ton of the story to fit it in some nice trilogy.
No there wont be one... the new owners (disney) have already stated, (in a way) that their story will be original.. even though it's off the basis of an already and well produced story... it's all legends my friend.. and any new "old, old" star wars stories will be cannon above what we've witnessed today... as far as Disney is concerned, Revan never existed period.
Meetra over Rey any freakin day.
Hell Yes!
No matter how you play Meetra, she is a very human character even though she was overpowered, Rey is the overpowered plank of wood in Star Wars. Meetra also had an explanation for her power, Rey was woman power SJW nonsense.
@@stephenhansen1789 How the hell can you say that Meetra was a "very human character" when we play as Meetra in the game? We choosing how to play doesn't make her a good character.
@@thomasjefferson2813 good point, however, wouldn't we basically be Meetra Surik, therefore she would be a very human character.
@@thomasjefferson2813 I think the writing for the player dialogue and the way that Obsidian portrayed Meetra in key scenarios (like stabbing her lightsaber into the center-stone of the counsel chamber) made her human. She wasn't the emotionless calm jedi, she was strong-willed and principled even if she never says a word, and the writing for a lot of the player choices reflects that pretty well. I also wouldn't really say she was overpowered story-wise, certainly way way way less so than they're making Rey or the new Palpatine now days.
I couldn't agree more with you about how they treated Meetra in the MMO game. I felt while everyone was upset with Episode 1-2-3. Revan, Bastila, and Meetra kept Star Wars on life support till Episode 7 came out. It's good to see Meetra fans out there. Thanks for the video!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I feel I speak on behalf of the _Kotor_ fans when I say the second instalment was the true ending for the Exile. What happened thereafter was left to the fans to ponder. What came after in the books and later games were not true to the originals. Revan should have remained masked and somewhat silent and The Exile was on par with Revan, if not a better warrior but with Revan being more strategic- perhaps.
They should continue the story in a Third instalment and simply act as if the others didn’t exist 😂.
*NotMyExile*
Most KOTOR fans probably headcanon the Revan novel and SWTOR out of the story.
I think that her and revan ending in swtor and the books might have been the right ending because of what traya says to the exile in kotor 2. That the force has its own will and all those force users, especially the strong ones like meetra and revan, are playballs for the force and that they will die, like all the others before and after them.
@@100StarWars I thought I was the only one lol
They killed the Exile?? DAMN THEM.
They did indeed :(
*Goes on to become one of the greatest fighters in the war against armour-clad, world-destroying brutes, becomes a wound in the force, trains the true Jedi who would one day rebuild the Order, defeats the Sith Triumvirate (who are three of the deadliest and most interesting Sith Lords who have ever lived), goes onto rescue the Prodigal Knight...*
...and gets instantly killed with a literal backstab.
*What the fuck is this horseshit?!*
Payback for Nihilus.
@@tommygunengineer9184 It's called bullfuckingshit writing and a sad destruction of a character that is not even Bioware's. It's funny how through the story of the The Exile Obsidian actually made Revan a more of a BADASS than Bioware did in KOTOR 1.
I just hope somehow Disney retcons the Revan novel and allows us to have a KOTOR 3 with both The Exile and Revan.
@@coinkidink9997 You're actually HOPING that Disney will give us what we want?
Lol, good one!
To me there is a difference between the Jedi Exile and Meetra Surik, which is strange to say, but not unreasonable. I say that because the character of the Jedi Exile in KOTOR II was very powerful and had a very strange connection to the force as she was a wound in the force and created intense force bonds, etc...
By Contrast, Meetra Surik in The Old Republic: Revan by Drew Karpyshyn, which is where she gets her canonized name and gender is just a secondary character that while a strong light side jedi is nothing special. Karpyshyn really tones her down compared to her game incarnation, which I get why as the book is primarily about Revan. but still, the author did her a grave misservice in the book. I know they had to write things a certain way for the SWTOR game that was coming out and needed things to line up properly for the direction that game was taken. Regardless, I think the Exile got the short end of the stick.
I echo your thoughts exactly. Although I like the name 'Meetra Surik' and her being a female character, that's about it. They're definitely different characters in my eyes too. The Drew version of The Exile is so disrespectful to the character Chris Avellone created for KOTOR 2. Which is funny, because The Revan character that Drew made for the book 'Revan' was so disrespectful to the character he had created for KOTOR 1 😂
100% Star Wars Well in all fairness I doubt that the outcome of the book was even Drew’s vision. Think about it. You don’t give your baby a very embarrassing and disappointing end. I believe it was BioWare that told Drew what the outcome should be so they could line it up with their sub par mmo
I absolutely agree. Meetra’s appearances in the book and SWTOR were a severe insult to the character. All of KOTOR 2 seems to be glossed over as having not happened, or as being irrelevant, which is really thoroughly frustrating. The book in particular is poor with this, completely ignoring the destruction of the Jedi Order, but the MMO does the same. Meetra pretty much saved and rebuilt the whole damned Jedi Order, but in all of the Star Wars EU, her name has never been spoken aloud.
So...yeah. Sad times. She is such a wonderful character, one of the most intriguing Jedi we’ve ever seen, but Bioware just threw her away as disposable canon fodder.
Cailus Griffin Your comment is exactly how I feel.. so thanks.
I hope they ret-con what happened with Revan and The Exile and just give them the endings they deserve.
@@100StarWars Agreed on both points!
I think the reason I hate the fate of Revan and Meetra in the novel is because, in a franchise that kinda/gets off on its happy endings, I feel like these two, Bastila included, were warranted some. These weren’t just characters that we saw and fell in love with (Luke, Leia, Han, etc), but characters who we actually were. Characters who we spent hours, if not days or weeks, embodying. And to see them essentially get washed to make way for the MMO just hurts me. I love The Old Republic, but I tend to ignore the Revan stuff, because the fates of the characters just sours me.
Man I really like the portraial of Revan and Meetra Surik in the KotOR series, but you just made me both scared and curious about that novel. Is it the one titled "Revan"? Might take a look.. Didn't care that much for Bastila due to how annoying she was in KotOR 1 (the memes about her being so defiant of Malak while he was torturing her, only to turning DSide in the next in-game 5 minutes, were hilarious tho, ngl)
@@nmpltleopardi It is indeed the one called Revan. If you really want to read it, then by all means, it’s an interesting read. But if you go into it being a big fan of KOTOR and KOTOR 2, you’re probably gonna be pissed off.
Nice one! Can't believe she fell to a backstab though, of all things.
Blame Drew Karpyshyn for that! XD. No not really, he's made some really good stuff, but it's clearly a shoehorn for the characters and it was a lazy attempt.
It was the only way she could fulfill the role Karpyshynn wanted, which is a massive crutch in his writing - when he needs something to happen, the skill, power, and experience of a character means nothing. She's powerful enough to dissolve into the Force and become a Force spirit to strengthen Revan (an unusual ability in the Old Republic), but not powerful enough to see Scourge's sudden treachery.
It's why each character in both KotoR I and II get captured over and over again (often by chumps) while still being able to overthrow Malak, Sion, Nihilus, and Traya.
she didnt see scourge's betrayal coming because he did not decide or intend to betray them until the last second where he had his final vision. his betrayal wasnt a true betrayal but a set-up to pave the way for the jedi who would eventually kill the emperor. he was still on their side even when he was killing meetra. thats why she never saw it coming, because there was no treachery present in his mind.
I can actually buy that but I'm a bit too ready to see problems in Karpyshynn's writing when they seem to be consistent with other genuinely poor moments. I think Karpyshynn has some amazing ideas but he can be really lazy in some places. I shouldn't bring too much negativity though, since you're right, that's a fair point and plausible reason.
@@100StarWars
Karpshyn only did this to drag Revan to the MMO where Revan's popularity would make sure that more people played the game and to squeeze even more money out of it by using it on an expansion.(I don't think Drew is entirely to blame though. It's likely that Bioware and EA demanded him to find out some way to shoehorn Revan to the MMO)
Meetra was a badass character in KOTOR! I agree with you about all that! I loved the SWTOR game too, but I wish Meetra and Reven didn't have to go out the way they did to make that happen. But its not canon anymore so fingers crossed for a remake!
If SWTOR didn't have anything to do with KOTOR, I would've loved it! And fingers crossed. Things like the Ebon Hawk's ship class and hammerhead cruisers are now canon so we have to wait and see!
If I am right informed there will be a kotor based movie soon.. Do you guys have some more information? Cheers
Always loved kortor really wish we could get a kortor 3 with meetra and revan together on the battlefeild would be awesome to see but we got the old republic instead lol
I'm not much of a fan of the SWTOR stories. I enjoy is as a game, but not as a KOTOR sequel.
100% Star Wars same here bro i like swtor but would have prefered a kortor 3 personally anyway
I've got my fingers crossed that we get a reboot one day!
100% Star Wars i wouldnt even mind a remaster of the first two but still need a third to end it i reckon
I WOULD LOVE a remaster so much. Could you imagine it completely visually overhauled, with new content and characters and quests!?
She's in my opinion, the best written female character in all of Star Wars.
I think Kreia is a bit superior but Meetra is awesome!
a character liked this earned a better end to her adventure
Hopefully if/when they canonise the games, they'll retcon her death.
one thing i don't like is that they gave the player character the name Meetra Surick. I never named my version of the Exile that name.
I quite like the name personally.
It's just. It's the player character If they just called the character The Exile or something and say that The Jedi Exile was male or female it would feel better. Espeecially Since I always play as a male jedi
Aye, but when you want to make a canonical character, you have to set some parameters.
True. Even though The Old Republic Era is no longer canon. Though they are trying to bring it back inch by inch. Revan I consider cannon cause they were about to introduce him to the newer Clone Wars TV show.
I named my character Darth Exileus XD
KOTOR 2 was 100% the better game in my opinion. Even with bugs and missing content it was amazing. The restored content mod only further distanced itself from the first game.
The fact she strolled into the Traya Academy and took down scores of dark jedi and sith on her lonesome is Gat Damn Epic...
Seen as I'm the one that did it 😎
Basically the female Star Wars Version of Kazuma Kiryu from Yakuza
One-shotting entire rooms with force storm had me on a power trip
@@MenagerieOfMadness501 imagine their shock seeing a Jedi use Lightening Storm
I still hate what SWTOR did to Revan and Meetra.
Well hope you're ready for a rebooted Disney canon of Kotor and Kotor 2.
No Malakor V and possible reckoning of many things from the EU.
Disappointed you didn't go into her most amazing ability, force thiccness. 3/10 not enough thiccness. 😔
I've always loved the fact that she returned to the Council after the Mandalorian Wars to face judgement.
She's an honest kinda gal.
My friend I had to come back to this video again like last year because this is where it all started for me. It's been 3 years now since I discovered this video after watching Darthycey's videos about Meetra Surik because she's such a fascinating character and began corresponding with you. I've so enjoyed watching all your videos to understand the vast galaxy of Star Wars since before I met you my knowledge of KOTOR came from the fan made videos. It also means so much to me that you've also put up with me for this long😂only 4 episodes of Clone Wars left and I'm not happy about it. We have no more Star Wars content after Clone Wars ends because the Mandalorian won't return until October and it's just rumor going around about a sequel to the Rebels series. All we have left is the Star Wars comics? Anyway thank you my friend for letting me be a part of the Star Wars universe with you. Please take and be safe in these uncertain times we're in🙏
My friend I had to again come back to this video because this is where it started for me knowing about you back in April 2017. It's been 4 years now since I started corresponding with you and on this video. After I had watched all of Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik the Jedi Exile i was curious and fascinated to know more about her and that's when I discovered your TH-cam channel. Going back to your last video I also enjoyed watching Meetra's story arc from KOTOR 2 but I have to say I liked how Darthycey changed the ending of Meetra being killed by Lord Scourge when rescuing Revan. Meetra Surik's story arc deserved a better ending and I agree with you that SWTOR treated her character terribly in the game. Your friendship has meant a lot to me my friend
SWOTOR was an insult to KOTOR’s legacy
Just know I consider her to be one of The Greatest Jedi Masters to have ever lived and I consider her official master to be Kavar because I feel like he’s a great teacher for someone like Meetra Surik that and because there’s just something about him I like dunno what it is but I just like him
Canderous would be a good story
As Canderous is involved in both games and had contact with both Revan and Meetra and held both in high esteem and had friendships/bonds with both
He does indeed have a long story! Maybe one day :)
... yea, very disrespectful and inglorious ending of the story about one of the greatest heroes in Jedi history... another sad thing is that she could not [or didn't even attempt ?] to reform the Jedi Order [preferably the Code too] with all the wisdom she gained from Kreia and personal experience. So Jedi stayed stagnant inquisitory Order for centuries while the Sith evolved multiple times ...
Supposedly, but good old SWTOR made sure none of that made any difference!
Unlike people behind sequel trilogy 🤢
So THAT'S what happened in KOTOR 2. I feel complete and fulfilled after all these years.
Poor T-3 :(
💔💔 T3 Forever in our hearts 💔💔
This was an extremely well-written explanation of this Jedi character. Genuinely impressed, especially considering the complexity of the source material. I agree that the mmo story really did not do her justice - really disappointing. I'd love if we could get another Star Wars game like KOTOR and KOTOR 2, but considering they're officially Disney-non-canonical I highly doubt that. Suppose we'll just have to leave that to fanfiction!
Thank you, that means a lot ❤ I think we'll see some more KOTOR stories in the future, it only makes sense. But with that, I don't think they'll have the same quality, because they're likely to be very restrained in how far they can go with the storytelling. Whether they will be games though, I don't know.
Nooooooo! T-3 😭😭
I know 😭😭
I hate how they killed the exile but tbh...it hurts way more that they destroyed T3
Great video for a great but often overlooked character, and you are quite correct how poorly they wrote the ending of her story. I'll never forgive The Old Republic for how it treated all the characters from Kotor 1 & 2, you put it very well how they where treated and it's truly a shame as they where far superior characters.
I just hope they get rebooted in some way in the future!
I was reading Revan and as soon as I heard them Reference Meetra i came here.
Saved me a good 7 hours mate thanks 🙏
Who else is disappointed with the fact the the exile lost to Darth nihirous or what ever she was called. I mean killing three of the most deadly Sith in an row and then oh look a member of the dark council time to die
Oh I certainly am. But that was only done to prove how powerful the true sith were, but it was a complete a disrespect to Meetra nonetheless.
100% Star Wars well they must have forgotten that while making swtor
what are you talking about. She lost only to the Emperor. Bc she got snitched from Scourge.
those sith were not TRUE sith. they did not grow their powers in the same way the true sith empire cultivated their acolytes. nihilus, traya, and sion were weaklings compared to nihirous and the other sith on the dark council.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Her name is spelled Nyriss.
Is Tatooine a wound in the Force too ? That's kinda the impression I was under when the Tuskan Raiders explained their history. And it would explain a lot of stuff.
I love your channel, your content, and especially your writing and narrative style. It makes me wish you’d consider writing SW short stories and novellas, especially about Revan. Not necessarily about changing his history, so to speak, but maybe using artistic license to do a story about some mini adventures to fill in the spaces between his major plot points. And of course something similar with Meetra, Bastilla, Satele, Tasiele, and all the other ‘real’ SW heroines.
That piano version of Rebuilt Jedi Enclave at the end gave me chills throughout my entire body...
14:25 and on you play a piano cover of the restored Jedi Enclave music from KotOR 2, one of my absolute favorite tracks in the whole game. But I can't find it anywhere on Lucas King's channel! Do you know what it's called?
It's a strange one xD It's on a channel called Lucas King - But I'm not completely sure if it's THE Lucas King. I've contacted him to see if it is, but I never got a response. Anyway, here is the cover - th-cam.com/video/wGkD8WLI_gs/w-d-xo.html
100% Star Wars Ha, that is odd! Nonetheless, thank you!
No problem!
Everything was amazing! ...Until TOR. Damn them for the bad writing of Revan, the Exile and their associations. So much wasted potential.
One thing that always pissed me off is how the Exile apparently becomes a Force ghost after her unceremonious death (seriously, the woman was a war machine. She shouldn't have been that easy to kill). Hoe exactly could she, a wound in the Force, a breach cut off from it that didn't have a true connection to it after the Mandalorian Wars, manage to become a Force ghost, which is effectively a sentient spirit within the Force!? Hell, if they needed her spirit they could have done something more interesting by having her be more of a sentient echo, not a Force ghost but a Force absence. Not sure how that would work, but it'd be better than making her a generic Force ghost!
I really think that makes sense. Like an absence that can be felt and heard like a ghost, but not a ghost. I like it! But yeah, I don't like how she died either or their treatment of any of the characters.
Thanks! Thought it would have made the most sense; it could be called something like a Force shadow, a presence parting it and flitting through it rather than emerging from it. Like in life, the shadow of her could cause disquiet and unease in those near it due to still being a wound.
Anyway, yeah, the games did not treat any of the old characters well. Even Revan is a shell of a character compared to the background we got before. Would of been interesting if they had actually kept with the original game in his case I think - that Revan himself was gone, and the person the Jedi had made out of him was his own individual, merely bearing the memories of the one who came before rather than being the same man with amnesia (so slightly similar to Steven in the cartoon 'Steven Universe').
If I may further blabber on - one theory I've seen that the games actually give a lot of weight for is how Revan and the Exile were not friends but rivals, perhaps even ideological enemies. It almost mirrors the Sith Triumvirate - the Jedi General Triumvirate of the Mandalorian Wars. Kreia, SIon, Nihlius mirroring Revan, Malak and the Exile.
Hmm, maybe they were rivals. But it's always stated that Meetra was his most trusted ally. Would he most trust his biggest rival?
It's far from unheard of. There are many accounts in both reality (Churchill and Stalin would be the first example coming to mind for me there) and fiction of skilled rivals, friendly or not, having to work together for one reason or another, and the rivals will typically trust in each other simply because they both know the other can get the job done well at minimum.
Besides, I'm not certain the Exile is ever called Revan's most trusted ally in KotOR 2 (the MMO and its books/comics may say such, but I don't trust them much due to how badly they treated the past content of their world). The Exile certainly had some form of mutual respect for Revan, and Revan certainly saw her as useful, but it seems far more likely that he trusted Malak over the Exile.
Oh I don't doubt that he trusted Malak more, afterall, they were like brothers more than allies. But in my headcanon, Meetra and Revan were extremely good friends, as well as trusted allies.
Getting backstabbed and died huh?
What a sad ending for the greatest student of Kreia...
I roleplay Meetra as Bastilla Shan. Makes more sense that it would be her finishing Revan's work either light or dark.
Awesome. I didn’t know Meetra’s story after the game. Cheers
I'm glad you enjoyed it and I could be of help!
i felt a bit of desperation while playing kotor 2 due to the state of the galaxy, but i realized i actually liked not having any insane fleets in play like sith armada from kotor. i like the idea of skilled, powerful force user travelling the galaxy. dealing with everyday ppl problems.
One of the most complex and tragic characters in the entire franchise. Honestly a better character than Revan in a lot of ways, who is also right up there for most compelling characters.
After all these years Kotor has been out, it still never ceases to amaze me what depths the story and characters reached. The dialogue and lore are so rich. The arrogance and one-sided nature of the Jedi is put on display. The Jedi are no longer a group to be admired, but instead almost scorned for remaining aloof from the conflicts across the galaxy in their self-righteousness.
George Lucas created an amazing universe in the original trilogy, but I much prefer the conflicts in the Old Republic. There's so much more grey area to explore. The new trilogy really set a new low for Star Wars. The deeper themes were completely ignored for a $ grab.
Love meetra. Such a sad end.
Meetra Surik is an alright name. What, were you expecting her to be named Karen or Joe after yourselves?? I have no problem with the name, I have a HUGE problem with what they did with her in that novel, not THAT pisses me off, and as far as I am concerned, there is no story beyond KOTOR II, until we get KOTOR III.
She also wanted to talk to Mical one of her closest friends ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤he helped her through so much at the worst time of her life
That Papatia Quinn’s master was Bastilia and she was a beacon at an early age! That was I the one who taught them to see through the force!!!! ❤❤❤Papatia Quinn
It was cool learning aout meetra never played kotor 2
Dun Moch is not a combat form but a tactic. Further she was not one of the only Jedi to master it. Its commonly seen used by Obi Wan, Anakin, Dooku, Ashoka and many others.
Awesome channel.. I love SWTOR and how in depth these character biographies are, so thank you.
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoy them!
I think sometimes the stories that are hinted at are better than the answers we get. Before SW:TOR, I assumed that Revan and The Jedi Exile went off to stop the Ancient Sith, a looming threat that no one knew about except Revan and Kreia, that threatened to destroy the whole galaxy. Considering they are still ancient history by the time of the movies, I assumed that they must have succeeded, a story that was easy to believe given their sheer power. No one saw them again, they just took one for the galaxy, because that's what heroes do. SW:TOR relegated them to minor side characters once they were no longer in the hands of the player, which was the main reason I refused to play it. At least Bioware didn't make the same mistake in Dragon Age: Inquisition, where the Hero of Ferelden is conveniently off on an important quest elsewhere, so their badassery can't be contradicted. I consider the Jedi Exile's "Wound in the Force" and it's implications to be the greatest story Star Wars has ever told in any medium.
I completely agree :) I wish The Hero of Feralden was around though, I miss my old Origins character :D
There's still hope for his/her return in Dragon Age 4 :-).
I think I read something a while back that said the story wouldn't revolve around the Hero of Ferelden if i'm not mistaken?
I'm doubtful there ever will be a Dragon Age 4 considering most of the creative team left Bioware this year. If they do, it will be almost impossible to satisfy everyone with how their own Hero's story goes, though I'd appreciate the effort. There are way more permutations to deal with compared to Revan or The Jedi Exile. I know I would love to see the Hero, Hawke, and the Inquisitor team up, but I don't know if they'll ever have the resources to handle something like that with what they lost this year with ME: Andromeda and how much pressure they're under to make Anthem succeed. It would be simpler to leave little hints about the Hero and not trounce on anyone's dreams.
That's true. I really couldn't care for Anthem, It's just a stunt to jump on the destiny train.
She was actually trained by Vima frickin' Sunrider! Which would always caution her to be careful with Sever Force. Incredible
Really? Woah. I love TOTJ so much.
@amishoven It's Nomi Sunriders daughter.
@amishoven Jedi Grandmaster of the order after the great sith war.
Quick question where the hell was Bastilla Shan during the Dark Wars, she shows up at the end if your Revan was light side, but they never explain where she's been or why none of the other Jedi seem to acknowledge her presence. p.s. Who was more influential Bastilla or Meetra
Bastila was hiding to protect her and Revan's son - That's a good question... I'd say Meetra. Meetra was vital to the reconstruction of the Jedi philosophy as well as the order itself. She was a key figure in saving the republic from the Mandalorians, and brought down arguably the greatest threat in galactic history in Nihilus.
Bastila on the other hand played a part in redeeming Revan, and her battle meditation swung the tide of the Star Forge conflict, that's about it.
My favorite jedi among with Kyle Katarn.
i always wondered since meetra is kreia/Darth Traya's apprantice, does she mastered the floating lightsabers technique? if so it would be very cool
The Jedi exile wasn’t a woman named meetra, everyone knows that the exile was a blond dude named Spart Mcfundlebat
She helped to finally end vitiate/ valkorion/ tenebrae/ emperor
in what way? to be a ghost plot device? meh
Honestly she could be on the power scale of Starkiller. I think Meetra is awesome!
Kotor 2, one of the best games and storylines out there. Rented this before the first one as a kid and never returned it lol the store went of business so didn’t have to worry! But maybe that has something to do with the video store closing.. or technology lol
It's one of my favorite games ever.
I strongly agree with you. I personally disconsider any of the stories people made after the KOTOR series and also any development related to the MMO. Obsidian rushed as hell still can make some of my favorite stories in the SW universe. They should have their work respected.
Also, T3, he’s the real hero. What a legend.
I know right. RIP Legend.
It's still a good story if only we would pretend that the old republic game never happened (the PC game). Also make a Kotor 3 with multiple endings of course.
Q = Who is Meetra Surik :
A = Nihilus's end/Savior of the Galaxy
Great video. I’ve never played KOTOR 1 or 2 but this character looks cool
Never?! Oh man, go play them ASAP!
kavar is my fav master from kotor 2
Do I believe the nonsense of her "demise", absolutly not, never in a million years would Meetra Surik battle three of the toughest sith lords just to travel to Dromund Kaas alone and trusting Lord Scourge blindly at first sight. So no fucking way do I believe that bullshit and I agree with you in the end about the lazy writing.
Meetra surrik has returned
That's me !
Disney: Star Wars needs strong female characters
Meetra: am I a joke to you?
I believe, if Disney ever did a KOTOR movie! This is the story that should be told. Dave Filoni and John Favreau as Executive producers, Derek Kolstad as the screenwriter, Joe and Anthony Russo as directors, Keanu Reeves as Revan, Charlize Theron as Meetra Surik, Charles Dance as Emperor Vitiate and Dave Bautista as Lord Scourge!
*explains plot of kotor 2*
It would've been a disservice if you clicked on this and I explained the plot of kotor 1 😉
Meetra surrik had a daughter who was also exiled for following Revens son ❤❤❤❤❤Her name is Papatia Quinn ❤❤❤❤❤who Bastilia and mission and juhuni trained! But her true master was Mical ❤❤❤❤
I thought of KOTOR 3 to be called The Rise of Darth Plagueis with Darth Plagueis being the antagonists day showing how Sheev Palpatine became Darth Sidious and bringing the KOTOR series into the Canon Star Wars World while concluding it at the same time
I thought she cut herself off to save herself from the mass shadow generator
My favorite SW protagonist
I read some comments about how powerfull she may have been.
I always envisioned the Exile specializing in hand to hand/lightsaber combat because in the game she beats strong close combat characters without using the force. Plus when she lost the ability to use the force, it seemed logical to me that she would refine her CQC skills.
I would put her around the same level as Malak.
PS : I mostly played as Male exile (Meetro) because I liked Handmaiden/Brianna more than Diciple/Mical
That's a very fair reasoning! I think at her peak, she was stronger than Malak.
I can't help but think that Riven's character design and lore from LoL was inspired by Meetra Surik. They both are Exile's and they look are very similar in looks.
Hopefully someday the rumors of kotor 3 become true as i dislike the story of post kotor 2
I think most people do!
We can only hope. But look, by popular demand we resurrected The Clone Wars. Maybe one day we'll bring back KOTOR too.
enjoying these videos. Cool fan art.
I'm glad you're enjoying them :)
It’s so dense every scene has so much going ob
What do you mean?
I really like the Revan novel. I just hated the way it ended. Meetra's death felt so cheap. I understand why they did it, because the Jedi Knight character in SWTOR is suppose to be the hero, but still, the way Drew wrote it, it made no sense for Scourge to kill Meetra, Revan and Meetra were winning. if he just stood there and did nothing, the Emperor would be dead (as we find out later, that isn't really true, but you know). But instead, Drew cheapened Meetra by stabbing her in the back.
I know to many, Revan is their favorite character, but for me, the Jedi Exile is the best star wars character they have ever made, and Revan number 2.
It's a big debate for me, I really love both so it's hard to decide 😂 But I agree about the book.
the best written character is Kreia however.
@@puffin-onehandedgamer1164 kreya might actually be my fav...
Question: What class was she? Guardian, Sentinel, or Consular?
I activated the mass shadow generator!
*Boom goes Malachor 5*
2:42:
When did she seperate the Force from other’s?
Revan and meetra deserved better
While she was away after the mandalorian wars she was at sea and had gotten hit by a ship while swimming in the sea it nearly killed her. But then master kavar found her and carried her back to duxan to get medical care for her and to find out what had happened to and that’s when they found out she was pregnant by Shen Quinn so she stayed away for 10 years till her son calt Quinn was born and turned 10 years old then she went back to talk to reven and carth onasi her mentor during the wars and reven who had become her best friend. She talked to the Jedi on Dantaween and is returning now to the old republic to find out what happened to her after the wars and all this time had passed and she wanted answers from her friends and the jedi
KOTOR 2 really showed me how arbitrary the Jedi were. Fuck them.
Basically SWTOR is a version of Revan's story and the Exiles, it has no continuation from the first 2 games other than the characters and nothing else.
In truth the the real story ending should be decided by us the players ,good or bad, evil or lesser evil, have a game or a book that details their life and events that followed and what happened to their friends, KOTOR2 promised so much more, and KOTOR 1 again made the foundation, but i guess maybe one day we will get what we deserve.
I loved the story of KOTOR 2, and the exile was such a phenomenal character. I hate how her story and Revan's were handled in the novel, it completely ignored and disrespected the journey of KOTOR 2, it was a disgrace. SWTOR's handling of Revan was trash also
I wish I could restore all the comments on this video because this is where it started for us last year my friend. " Meetra Surik please help Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger save Hera and help the Rebel Alliance fight against the Empire." George
Her retconned death right after the events of Kotor 2 is so stupid honestly
If anyone accepts Meetra Suriks story about her trip to Dromund Kaas, her trusting a sith for no reason and her piss poor excuse for a demise, then shitty writing is truly your favorite thing.
@100% Star Wars What kind of conclusion would you find be an appropriate ending for Revan and Meetra if KOTOR 3 was a thing?
Timeless 💯
13:25 so true
I’m still pissed at SWTOR for killing off two of my favorite characters. All so they could hype up the Hero of Tython.
Dun mok......Bloodsport movie reference 😆
Never knew she went after Revan
You do now :)
Idk should i do full lightside on kotor 1 and 2 or do full dark side
Light is the canonical path for both so it's down to you!
ItsRyanYT why not both? I always do light side first since that’s how the story is supposed to be played according to the lore. Then go dark side on the second play through. Just take a break between playthroughs or you may get burned out.
Glen ___ i did netural i just can't stand jedi but dont want to kill anyone