"I see a scared, shriveled up piece of trash who uses God to justify his bigotry." I applaud Elliot for that one. People who use God as an excuse to hate are no better than people who use the devil for the same reason.
That's the issue with ideologies, both spiritual and political. They offer us an inflated and overly misguided sense of purpose and privilege to do whatever we please, then we use our beliefs as an excuse to justify our acts of savage lunacy
Spoilers: It wasn't him, it was his father. He tried to make an excuse that he thought the guy was assaulting his son but it's revealed later he knew they were lovers and he hated the idea that his son was gay so he killed his boyfriend.
Extra: the son belives that his father don't know he's gay but the mom of a Childgood exgirlfriend (fake relationship) tells the father and when the boy finds out, he betrays his father and says that he (the dad) kills his boyfriend. In the end, Oliva gives him some words of comfort and the boy goes off to try to figure out what to do with his life.
It bothers me even more when said investigators laugh and crack inappropriate jokes over the murdered person's body. What a juvenile and disrespectful thing to do.
@csignorelli1 Yeah well they're just doing their job as investigators. But it doesn't mean that they can't crack inappropriate jokes because it's not harmful to have a sense of humor.
For the first 100 they see I'm sure the agree with you. Then the 101st and on and on and on. See that over and over over again messes with your head, so you develop coping methods for it. Dark humor is one of those methods.
Though I agree, I feel like they will drop enough that they will become a rare breed eventually. Being left handed used to be a very bad thing. Now I just hear it as that, a statement it used to be considered bad. I never saw anyone going on a long rant about the bad/devil's hand in recent years.@@-Gilver
Ultimately that's what ideologies offer us all. An inflated and misguided sense of privilege to fervently spite those who have wronged us in some way, even after they've passed on from this plane of existence.
Where there are humans, this behavior will always be relevant. Hate and fear is passed down through the generations. 20 years, 30 years, 40 years. It's all the same. We are our own worst enemy.
Same be can said for Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Season 4, Episode 21. I rewatched that episode again, as I first saw it before I came out as trans. By the end of that episode I was a weeping, crying, emotional mess.
It really boils me to the core when people like the reverend at 6:21 try to put the blame on the LGBT community for things like 9/11, especially in front of someone who may have known someone who died that day. Yeah… who's going to hell again?
I am perplexed by people quoting the Book of Leviticus as if it's some manual for all Christian denominations, especially since it contradicts the teachings of the New Testament.
I myself am Catholic and never judged someone for being gay, what they looked like, or having a different faith to myself. The Golden Rule states that we should treat others how we wish to be treated. It makes me sad when people take the words of Christ, a man who stood up for those who Hebrew society shunned, and twist them.
Actually I don’t judge on both gays and catholic but I do Judge people like the priest went it going to my nerves. (I know he’s an actor but sometimes the character that they play gets me 😅)
Still can’t believe his Dad did that …. Not only the force it took but also such a quick reaction time to walking in on them mid act and do that… geesh
And what the son says really gets me. "What makes you think you can make me ANY more normal than I've already tried to be? All you've done, is make me wish I was dead."
Unfortunately, the people who protest at a funeral for a gay person in both irl and any shows that deal with this sort of issues, those people will get cheers and claps from like-minded people who share anti-homosexual views. I remember when I was on Twitter all those years ago before it became a place to spread misinformation and hatred an bigotry that it is today. I saw a post about the tragic events of the Pulse Nightclub shooting and let's just say, my blood started to boil as a lot of replies were in celebration to the shooters and just saying horrible things like that they were glad that the people at the nightclub got shot dead, not knowing that it wasn't just gay people that got shot there but heterosexual people who had gay friends there and who just wanted to have a nice time, so yeah I was angry with the comments praising the shooters as no one should have to have their lives taken away from them just because of their sexuality
6:45 easily one of the most pathetic characters in this shows history. Talks about fury and righteousness by lumping in atrocities with his message that have nothing to do with one another but the second a man calls him out for what he is he’s seconds away from bawling and pissing himself.
But she still have flaws. In season 13 she went too far and had an innocent man put in prison for being accused as a child molester. Only to realize he was framed by the 2 of his ex students seeking revenge on him for dropping them out as students.
Like when she said “I don’t think he was killed here” … most of us would just think yep he probably died there, but her, she was like, I can tell by the lack of any blood, damage or any physical evidence leads me to believe he wasn’t killed here
Personally I'm straight but I'm a huge supporter of the LGBTQ+ community. It doesn't matter to me if a person is bi, gay, trans, black, white; it's who they are as a person that is the most important thing.
@@chayo4537 because these qualities are not a choice. being LGBTQ+ is not a choice, coming out is. you can choose whether or not you want to come out. not to mention these qualities are also minorities.
5:53 You know, fun fact. I’m not sure if this is the right verse but there’s actually a mistranslation in the Bible from Latin to English, it’s not “man sleeping with man” but actually “man sleeping with child” going against pedios, which is definitely a big no no.
@@rosebud040686Leviticus 18:22 I believe. The correct translation was “Man shall not lay with child as he would his wife”. It was changed to condemn homosexuality,which was never mentioned as a sin in the bible. As a matter of fact,Germany was the last to keep to the original translation until pressure from the Catholic Church made them change it in 1985.
The "church" in this from Nebraska is based on the westboro church from Kansas, who openly protested several funerals of openly gay & military members & were highly profiled for doing so in the 90's & 2000's & it was beyond disgusting! It was especially infuriating that the media gave them so much attention! As a Nebraskan, I just wanted to clarify.
Personally, I don't care about society. Because nothing triggers me. Because for me I know when someone is bluffing about something. Because I'm the best poker player ever.
@HouseWinchester1874nah it’s always been like this. It’s just that we’re more connected than we’ve ever been. Once upon a time, every town had one village idiot and no one paid attention to them. Now all the village idiots have a way to speak to each other and spread their idiocy to other people.
This story is based on real events, like the significance of Jake Gyllenhaal's death in the movie "Brokeback Mountain" when Heath Ledger's character says, "I would be different if it weren't for you." It serves as a wake-up call to the reality within ourselves, breaking free from societal expectations that can lead to negative outcomes. Some argue that reality can be more surprising than fiction.
@@oviovi-c4t The ignorance is the reason why people act selfish and cruel, it's just in our human nature, we can try to fight it, but it will keep existing inside us.
I was hated and abused for everything including being bisexual and existing growing up. If someone came to me and said their life was in danger because of who they are (predators don't count) they will absolutely have a safe place to sleep until they don't need one.
@@LEGO_IndianaJones69420_being gay isn’t a choice. Its a fact of biology. If you are “fearfully and wonderfully” made then why would you be made this way?
It really isn't - most homophobes are straight who have inherited bigoted ideas from their family/culture - it's a bit like saying most racists are Black. Internalised homophobia is very real however and is a product of heteronormative narratives being shoved down everyone's throats from birth. Thankfully the increased LGBT representation in media and more people being out has challenged preconceived notions of what it is to be gay.
reminds me of my ex , he was convinced that he is straight .And wanted to kill me after telling his girlfriend we were dating for a year and i didnt know his girlfriend until his friend told me he has a girlfriend so i ratted him out
But its not? i hate this line of thinking it just feels like your blaming gay people for there own homophobia like no? Most homophobes are religious people primarily those of islam.
It pisses me off that people like that preacher use religion to justify their own bigotry and insecurity as a openly gay man it just makes me feel so ashamed and sorry for them 😢
@emilfrederiksen.1622 Nope! You failed both the critical thinking and use of logic tests! 'god' is just another imaginary character from a fictional storybook written by humans and based on mythological malarkey and superstitious hogwash. That book is used as a manual for one of three competing monotheistic death 💀 ☠️ 💀 cults that have as one of their goals, the subjugation of non-death cult individuals into the brain cancer of slave morality through the cult practice of phobia indoctrination and false guilt tripping. It's not at all surprising that such deathcults have a delusional obsession with sexuality; using it as a method of mind control upon their cult members as they declare anything that falls outside their narrow parochial view a 'sin'. Say NO to ALL monotheistic deathcults!! FREE YOUR MIND!!!
Kid got stabbed and died in South Africa last week because he was gay. Schools say I cannot visit and talk about bullying because I am gay. Hahaha, make it make sense, as they say.
@@twohoursto well just like America where being gay is not a crime ,you do get some homophobes in every community .Even here in SA THere are people who are homophobes but the law protects gay folks here
The Hypocritic Pastor is clearly based on the Westborro Baptist church's very own long passed "Fred Phelps" quite an interesting read if you like researching all religious extremists, this cultist family in particular lived in a fenced-in "community" while his daughter still has the nerve to Practice Civil Law as well. Scary stuff folks!
It wasn’t him, in the end it turned out to be his father who was a curative therapist. Who thought he “cured” his son of homosexuality and then found out he had a male lover and killed him
and you know what's the most funniest thing about all of this? Leviticus 18:22 originally said “man shall not lie with boy/child” instead of “man shall not lie with man” and now people just misinterpret it
@@Elliott-l6u "Man shall not sleep with Boy". something like that, shunning and criminilazing p*dophilia as it should but leave it to bigots to deform history and religious quotes to fit their agenda
@@Elliott-l6u It was basically something about not doing the boombayah with children, pederasty was a pretty big thing back at the moment in many places (｡•́︿•̀｡)
Just to clarify I'm from Nebraska there's lots of us here that aren't homophobic and are either part of the LGBT+ community or an ally most of us love everyone 😊
lol this was 20 yrs ago . Back then IOWA MINNESOTA NEBRASKA ETC Was used in movies etc to basically say not very diverse . But anyone from the midwest knows that’s no longer true .
What's astounding is the multitude of "Christians" lean very heavily on the Old Testament rather than the New. Fire and brimstone as opposed to God's Love, very interesting ideology.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 I have read both books and only in the old was it frowned upon because it detracted from increasing the population and in the new,not was Paul or Saul who was against the Roman orgy practices. Regardless, you can condemn homosexuality all you want but it is God who judges and no matter what, murder is also a more grievous sin and nobody has the right to take another's life. It's amazing how "Christians" use scripture to justify acting as God's hand of judgement and forget that for an unbeliever there is no mandate to act from God. It says to turn away from sin, it doesn't say that you have a divine right to pass judgement on another. Judge not, lest you be judged. Get off your soapbox and preach in church. There are many practices that the various denominations have differences with and consider it sinful. Those without sin may cast the first stone, ever wonder why Jesus who was without sin didn't cast the first stone?
Jonathan Tucker, who plays Ian Tate here, was in the movie The Deep End years earlier. That starred Tilda Swinton as a mom forced into drastic measures on behalf of her son, whose problematic relationship with an older man leads to an extortion threat.
@emilfrederiksen.1622 ??? And you came to that conclusion... how? My statement refers to the murder and hate of a human being who had flaws like the rest of us and you're accusing me of not believing the Bible because...?
@@emilfrederiksen.1622Please education yourself. The Bible says not to judge and that we should love eachother. People use misinformation and twist things in the Bible to spread hate.
@@xxoxEMxoxx It seems that someone misread the verse. The bible says that we must judge with righteous judgement and not with condemnation. John 7:24 King James Version 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
@@al38447 It seems that someone is ignoring that you can only judge if you haven’t sinned. Don’t be purposely ignorant. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged”
Maybe he's hungry for attention? As another SPN fan, I have to ask, how perfect is it that Jensen Ackles is the next Batman? In fact, he called himself that in the SPN episode with the cursed good luck charm! Foreshadowing!
@@mangodaguiotango"Eye of The Tiger," baby! Have you watched The Hillywood Show's Supernatural parodies? If not, you really must! You'll thank me later!
OK. Right now, I have no idea if Stabler wanted to scream at the reverend or bite him! Also, I think it is safe to say this episode was "ripped from the headlines," because as soon as I saw the churchgoers at the Gay man's funeral, I immediately thought of the Westboro Baptist scam (OOPS!), I meant church.
spoiler they shouldve showed the part where they questioned ian's ex gf from hs and the ex gf's mom tells the detectives she told ian's dad dude your son's gay . cuz in court the defense tried to argue that the dad didnt know and thought someone was raping his son...
The priest was based on Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church and the actor, James Otis, later went on to play the Horseman Famine in Supernatural. Despite how old and frail he looked, he was only 55 in this episode.
I won’t make a stupid comment that could backfire in my face , I’ll keep my opinions to myself. I still watch the older episodes because I can’t stand how much the cast has changed. I miss Munch , may he rest in peace
I'm surprised that no one in the comments seems to know that the gay-hating church was based on the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, and the old preacher on its pastor, Fred Phelps. The actor even looked like him. Phelps allegedly had a change of heart in 2013, was excommunicated by his church, and died in 2014.
You're acting under the assumption that lots of TV shows don't have plots based on real life events. Police procedural shows constantly take advantage of current events and have episodes that are ripped straight from the headlines.
Yup, I don't live in America as not from there but I definitely know about their "views" and I will say this, I'm disgusted how people or a "church" more like cult can hate on people for being different whilst forgetting that Jesus said "Love thy neighbour" and "Treat people the way you want to be treated", I'm not exactly religious but was Christened in the Church of England but I don't really see myself as religious, do Christians expect to be treated the opposite of the way they treat the LGBTQA+ community, if they do then they are morons, but as I said, I might not be Christian but I always follow Jesus's line of treat people the way I want to be treated, though I was raised to be a good kind person by my family as my nan and my mum have always told my family to treat people the way I want to be treated, so if people treat me nicely then I'll do the same but if they treat me terribly for example Christians then you can bet, I'll treat them the exact same way whilst reminding them what Jesus's told people about treating people the way they would like to be treated
I'm sorry you feel like that. Please remember there's also lots of people in the world who love, accept and support the LGBTQA+ community, whether they are themselves in that community or not.
I remember this episode, the father did it and Ian was going to take the fall for his father until he found out his father knew all along that he was gay.
The bible also says Wake up before sunrise and pray for your enemies. The problem is that people pick up the bible and try to make and try to use it to support an argument and hate people with an excuse. He decorated some quotes nobody will check, but also ignores everything that makes him wrong
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” He is just some bible verses completely dismanteling your point.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 the Bible has been notoriously known to be poorly translated. Considering English is not an old language at all, it probably has been through hundreds of translations if not thousands over the last 2000 years. Some of those times being even orally and scribed into text. Makes total sense that the Bible isnt word for word of what some Godly figure or Holy Spirit is morally guided by.
I remember watching this episode the first time. The reverend infuriated me, but wisdom with age (or maybe it's just apathy) people like him, it just saddens me to see someone poison themselves willingly. Anyone who pays attention to scripture would know that the prime takeaway from those stories is love. Love yourself and give others the same love you wish to receive.
Cheering at the funeral of a six year old kid who died of AIDS?! The hell is wrong with people? 😡 (I know this is fictional, but I'm guessing that's based on something that actually happened.) The AIDS crisis was sad all round. I read an article written by a gay man who lost most of his friends to this disease. Then you had people being infected by contaminated blood transfusions, another layer of tragedy. It did scare people, my mum grew up in the 80s and has talked about it. It's less of a death sentence these days, thankfully, it can be controlled.
I think alot of people still view HIV and AIDS as a gay disease because of how a lot of gay men died of it back during the 80s but we've come a long way since then to know that HIV and AIDS can be contracted by anyone no matter the sexuality or gender and then we have medication that can allow men and women who have HIV to live long healthy lives and start families, I know we aren't nowhere near a cure, unless you count the stem cell treatment that had cured about 3-4 people with HIV but that was for something else HIV caused them, we shouldn't allow HIV and AIDs to be a stigma anymore but hopefully one day soon, the scientists find a cure for HIV and AIDs so they can mass produce it and give to people who have contracted the virus first time as well as people who have lived with it for decades even if the meds have helped them live healthy lives
I heard of the film but not yet seen it, hell I've yet to see Brokeback Mountain, I really need to get round to watching them, I also haven't seen Heartstopper yet but I'll get round to that at somepoint
@@JackiePhillipsTheSocialPet my 3rd ex-boyfriend has a whole collection of gay films including Milk, he also has a film where Wesley Snipes plays a drag queen. I did see an Irish film called Handsome Devil which was a gay film and I actually enjoyed that film
I was in in high school when this season was airing, but it's still jarring how casually they would just throw out the f-slur on network TV back then. This wasn't even on a premium channel, it was basic cable.
George Segal was a client of my interior designer aunt & it was it was always a pleasure to meet him on multiple occasions; this man was charming personified, he left behind an inspirational body of work.So glad that attitudes and use of slurs are no longer acceptable OR the grossly offensive idea thar men & women chose their sexuality.
For anyone trying to say the Bible says exactly what was preached you’d be incorrect. Edited versions were changed to say this but reading older versions of the Bible it in fact does not. Not only that English Christians were known to have not know how to translate the Bible well and words and sentences are not true to the original Bible.
“THE REVEREND HAS A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!!!”
But was his right to use a toothbrush taken away?
LMFAOO
"If the Lord wanted us to brush our teeth he would have said so in the scriptures."
I know his breath is KICKIN!!!!!
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LMFAOOOOO!
Good one!
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"I see a scared, shriveled up piece of trash who uses God to justify his bigotry."
I applaud Elliot for that one. People who use God as an excuse to hate are no better than people who use the devil for the same reason.
I think he’s mimicking the Reverend when he’s saying that.
The fact that Elliot went to Catholic school aswell makes it even more powerful
That's the issue with ideologies, both spiritual and political. They offer us an inflated and overly misguided sense of purpose and privilege to do whatever we please, then we use our beliefs as an excuse to justify our acts of savage lunacy
Exactly
I legitimately despise hypocrites. Especially religious fanatics coming from someone who has relatives that are just like that guy.
Spoilers:
It wasn't him, it was his father. He tried to make an excuse that he thought the guy was assaulting his son but it's revealed later he knew they were lovers and he hated the idea that his son was gay so he killed his boyfriend.
Yerrrrrrr!!!😮
Extra: the son belives that his father don't know he's gay but the mom of a Childgood exgirlfriend (fake relationship) tells the father and when the boy finds out, he betrays his father and says that he (the dad) kills his boyfriend. In the end, Oliva gives him some words of comfort and the boy goes off to try to figure out what to do with his life.
@@osvaldorodriguez1334I think it was Casey comforting him at the end and the mother of his girlfriend had no right to tell his father anything.
@@kittynorville9125 i think your rigth (time to watch the show again)
@@osvaldorodriguez1334 yeah it started with her telling him they took the deal
It always bothers me when a person is mudered without any clothes on and then left to be seen by investigators and/or the general public.
It bothers me even more when said investigators laugh and crack inappropriate jokes over the murdered person's body. What a juvenile and disrespectful thing to do.
@csignorelli1 Yeah well they're just doing their job as investigators. But it doesn't mean that they can't crack inappropriate jokes because it's not harmful to have a sense of humor.
@@thefighter5182 it definitely is disrespectul though
For the first 100 they see I'm sure the agree with you. Then the 101st and on and on and on. See that over and over over again messes with your head, so you develop coping methods for it. Dark humor is one of those methods.
@@nathangonzalez9710 you are so so right….psychologically this job isn’t easy it fucks with your whole existence
The fact that there are still people out there like that reverend infuriates me
They're never gonna go away
Though I agree, I feel like they will drop enough that they will become a rare breed eventually. Being left handed used to be a very bad thing. Now I just hear it as that, a statement it used to be considered bad. I never saw anyone going on a long rant about the bad/devil's hand in recent years.@@-Gilver
Same I hate how people using religion for hatred and evil
@@yourboymalikcoleman8731 I’m a Catholic, and I love to remind bigoted people “whatever happens to love thy neighbor?”
Just like how the gays won’t go away, people like the reverend wont go away.
the guy had a protest infront of a funeral for a child who died....how fucking disrespectful can you be??
see Westboro protests... they were in the funeral of Ronnie James Dio
Ultimately that's what ideologies offer us all. An inflated and misguided sense of privilege to fervently spite those who have wronged us in some way, even after they've passed on from this plane of existence.
@@otaviofrnazario Those people are nut jobs. Not only do they hate queer people, but they also hate veterans and active military servicemen.
They *cheered* at that child's funeral. Disgusting.
He’s gross and homophobic
Hard to believe this is over 20 years old, and yet still relevant.
yep
Where there are humans, this behavior will always be relevant. Hate and fear is passed down through the generations. 20 years, 30 years, 40 years. It's all the same. We are our own worst enemy.
Same be can said for Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Season 4, Episode 21. I rewatched that episode again, as I first saw it before I came out as trans. By the end of that episode I was a weeping, crying, emotional mess.
@@Emmathelady i get it
werid to think how incorrect this comment is
It really boils me to the core when people like the reverend at 6:21 try to put the blame on the LGBT community for things like 9/11, especially in front of someone who may have known someone who died that day.
Yeah… who's going to hell again?
you are
I am perplexed by people quoting the Book of Leviticus as if it's some manual for all Christian denominations, especially since it contradicts the teachings of the New Testament.
@@sirblanka yep you are blanka
I myself am Catholic and never judged someone for being gay, what they looked like, or having a different faith to myself. The Golden Rule states that we should treat others how we wish to be treated. It makes me sad when people take the words of Christ, a man who stood up for those who Hebrew society shunned, and twist them.
Actually I don’t judge on both gays and catholic but I do Judge people like the priest went it going to my nerves. (I know he’s an actor but sometimes the character that they play gets me 😅)
Still can’t believe his Dad did that …. Not only the force it took but also such a quick reaction time to walking in on them mid act and do that… geesh
And what the son says really gets me. "What makes you think you can make me ANY more normal than I've already tried to be? All you've done, is make me wish I was dead."
@@krystalk8105 I haven’t seen the whole episode, but at the end of this clip I literally thought “it was definitely the dad who killed the other guy”
That guy who protested in front of the funeral of a child how sickening can you get
Unfortunately, the people who protest at a funeral for a gay person in both irl and any shows that deal with this sort of issues, those people will get cheers and claps from like-minded people who share anti-homosexual views.
I remember when I was on Twitter all those years ago before it became a place to spread misinformation and hatred an bigotry that it is today. I saw a post about the tragic events of the Pulse Nightclub shooting and let's just say, my blood started to boil as a lot of replies were in celebration to the shooters and just saying horrible things like that they were glad that the people at the nightclub got shot dead, not knowing that it wasn't just gay people that got shot there but heterosexual people who had gay friends there and who just wanted to have a nice time, so yeah I was angry with the comments praising the shooters as no one should have to have their lives taken away from them just because of their sexuality
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplayfunny how that doesn’t happen…
I feel bad for all those people's laundry they stopped the dry cycle on.
This!! As someone who had to depend on coin laundry for years, that part hurt. They just opened the dryers and then walked away. 😧
@@Rosawyndon’t they start again when you close the door?
@@RLucas3000 Not the coin machines I've used, unfortunately.
6:45 easily one of the most pathetic characters in this shows history. Talks about fury and righteousness by lumping in atrocities with his message that have nothing to do with one another but the second a man calls him out for what he is he’s seconds away from bawling and pissing himself.
Plenty of homophobes are like that
I love Olivia’s detective skills she’s prominently great of what she does
But she still have flaws. In season 13 she went too far and had an innocent man put in prison for being accused as a child molester. Only to realize he was framed by the 2 of his ex students seeking revenge on him for dropping them out as students.
She is an actor. It's not real folk.
@@ps8432ikr.. like uhmm yeah thats how they made the script
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 I think that was season fifteen, actually. "Dissonant Voices."
Like when she said “I don’t think he was killed here” … most of us would just think yep he probably died there, but her, she was like, I can tell by the lack of any blood, damage or any physical evidence leads me to believe he wasn’t killed here
Personally I'm straight but I'm a huge supporter of the LGBTQ+ community. It doesn't matter to me if a person is bi, gay, trans, black, white; it's who they are as a person that is the most important thing.
Amen! You said it all friend!
Why are you putting black and trans and gay together?
@@chayo4537 because black and trans people are also minorities that are highly discriminated against and treated unfairly.
@@chayo4537 because these qualities are not a choice. being LGBTQ+ is not a choice, coming out is. you can choose whether or not you want to come out. not to mention these qualities are also minorities.
Bro that’s not… theur wierd. I rather have Asians than gays 😂😂😂
“Not anymore, look down, you’re trespassing”
And just assaulted a dude
The assault part might be hard to stick since it looks like he maybe was pushed into the guy.
@@nicholasholladay-elser7307 didn’t even really notice the crowd pushed him
@@nicholasholladay-elser7307He already was off the sidewalk before he was pushed.
@@vivd8187 I wasn't arguing the trespassing part, just the assault part.
5:53 You know, fun fact. I’m not sure if this is the right verse but there’s actually a mistranslation in the Bible from Latin to English, it’s not “man sleeping with man” but actually “man sleeping with child” going against pedios, which is definitely a big no no.
Source?
@@rosebud040686 my Latin teacher in high school
@@rosebud040686Leviticus 18:22 I believe. The correct translation was “Man shall not lay with child as he would his wife”. It was changed to condemn homosexuality,which was never mentioned as a sin in the bible. As a matter of fact,Germany was the last to keep to the original translation until pressure from the Catholic Church made them change it in 1985.
Soddom was destroyed bcuz of several men sleeping with teen children.
That's not correct. The word used translates to male.
The "church" in this from Nebraska is based on the westboro church from Kansas, who openly protested several funerals of openly gay & military members & were highly profiled for doing so in the 90's & 2000's & it was beyond disgusting! It was especially infuriating that the media gave them so much attention! As a Nebraskan, I just wanted to clarify.
Society triggers me.
Your not the only one.
Personally, I don't care about society. Because nothing triggers me. Because for me I know when someone is bluffing about something. Because I'm the best poker player ever.
@HouseWinchester1874nah it’s always been like this. It’s just that we’re more connected than we’ve ever been. Once upon a time, every town had one village idiot and no one paid attention to them. Now all the village idiots have a way to speak to each other and spread their idiocy to other people.
cope
@@residentfan1521 Indeed. The world is a lot smaller than it should be.
This story is based on real events, like the significance of Jake Gyllenhaal's death in the movie "Brokeback Mountain" when Heath Ledger's character says, "I would be different if it weren't for you." It serves as a wake-up call to the reality within ourselves, breaking free from societal expectations that can lead to negative outcomes. Some argue that reality can be more surprising than fiction.
Spoiler alert
The reverend looks like he crawled out of the pits of hell
It’s funny you say that, because he also played one of the Four Horseman in the show Supernatural. He played Pestilence.
@@anjelica948I KNEW I’VE SEEN THAT FACE BEFORE!!
@@GlowUpVenus Everything is a Supernatural reference if you look hard enough, lol.
Y’all know who else he played right?
@@Heyjessicaann Panic from Hercules?
Imagine a society where we could all live in peace and harmony. You can be gay, bi, trans or les and no one would hate you.
That would be very wonderful 😊 ❤❤❤ LGBTQIA is great 🏳️🌈
It's happening, but it wont be in our lifetime or our children's.
I never understand why people hate each other because who they want to date. It's completely none of my business and doesn't bother me at all.
@@oviovi-c4t The ignorance is the reason why people act selfish and cruel, it's just in our human nature, we can try to fight it, but it will keep existing inside us.
I was hated and abused for everything including being bisexual and existing growing up. If someone came to me and said their life was in danger because of who they are (predators don't count) they will absolutely have a safe place to sleep until they don't need one.
Nobody should be abused for being who they are, so long as you're happy who cares where you put it.
This was a good episode johnathan tucker did a great job and one of the rare SVU episodes with a positive ending
If being gay is a sin why would God created us this way? Do you think.we forced ourselves to be this way?
We are a test to see if christians can follow the golden rule...
@@tristanblackmore9772Christian’s have failed the test
@@tristanblackmore9772So people who are born with homosexual tendencies are just being tested to see if they can resist those tendencies?
Worst logic ever.
@@LEGO_IndianaJones69420_being gay isn’t a choice. Its a fact of biology.
If you are “fearfully and wonderfully” made then why would you be made this way?
It bothers me more when cops etc refer to dead people as “ bodies “ instead of calling them by their names or saying the person
The twist by the end was so GOOD!
Stabler says "Most homophobes are repressed homosexuals". That is unfortunately very accurate.
It really isn't - most homophobes are straight who have inherited bigoted ideas from their family/culture - it's a bit like saying most racists are Black. Internalised homophobia is very real however and is a product of heteronormative narratives being shoved down everyone's throats from birth. Thankfully the increased LGBT representation in media and more people being out has challenged preconceived notions of what it is to be gay.
@@DialecticDaveit is, many are afraid of a random gay though that occurred at some point and act out on it
reminds me of my ex , he was convinced that he is straight .And wanted to kill me after telling his girlfriend we were dating for a year and i didnt know his girlfriend until his friend told me he has a girlfriend so i ratted him out
So by that logic, someone who hates pedophiles are repressed pedophiles who are ashamed of their actions so they take it out on other people?
But its not? i hate this line of thinking it just feels like your blaming gay people for there own homophobia like no? Most homophobes are religious people primarily those of islam.
It pisses me off that people like that preacher use religion to justify their own bigotry and insecurity as a openly gay man it just makes me feel so ashamed and sorry for them 😢
I don't hate you i pray god helps you out of sin and wickedness.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622
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@@emilfrederiksen.1622Ah, yes, the magic sky man will be very disappointed.
@emilfrederiksen.1622
Nope! You failed both the critical thinking and use of logic tests!
'god' is just another imaginary character from a fictional storybook written by humans and based on mythological malarkey and superstitious hogwash.
That book is used as a manual for one of three competing monotheistic death 💀 ☠️ 💀 cults that have as one of their goals, the subjugation of non-death cult individuals into the brain cancer of slave morality through the cult practice of phobia indoctrination and false guilt tripping. It's not at all surprising that such deathcults have a delusional obsession with sexuality; using it as a method of mind control upon their cult members as they declare anything that falls outside their narrow parochial view a 'sin'.
Say NO to ALL monotheistic deathcults!!
FREE YOUR MIND!!!
Kid got stabbed and died in South Africa last week because he was gay. Schools say I cannot visit and talk about bullying because I am gay. Hahaha, make it make sense, as they say.
He wasnt killed , he killed himself because the teacher was bullying him .Lets be clear
@@TheHuny85 That was LIMPOPO, and the other was CAPE TOWN. Two separate sad incidents.
@@gdeec Oh i thought u were talking about the Joburg incident my apologies
That's wild! And tragic, isn't SA one of the only if not the only African country where homosexuality has been legalised?
@@twohoursto well just like America where being gay is not a crime ,you do get some homophobes in every community .Even here in SA THere are people who are homophobes but the law protects gay folks here
Prejudice isn't an opinion, it's a mental deficiency.
This episode was IT. Jonathan Tucker deserved the emmy and everything else.
I remember him from Texas chainsaw massacre
he plays a great gay🍵
5:21 Despite his right to free speech being bigoted. Apparently he brought that on himself to lunge
Its also covered by free speech to talk back to people who disagree with you
6:03 I'm pretty sure that's a mistranslation. The actual line condemns pedophilia, Man shall not lie with a boy or something along those lines.
Bible babble.
4:40 - I wonder if these protestors are supposed to portray the Westboro Baptist Church.
Yup
Exactly 💯. They are cults. They protested at one of my friend's relatives
sure as hell reminds me alot of them.
Certainly seems that way
Reverend reminds me of Fred Phelps
this episode makes me so mad for sooooo many conflicting reasons
Law and Order SVU: dismantling homophobia one episode at a time! ❤
That "pastor" is the definition of "taking the Lord's name in vain". Vile and evil.
I really wanna go back and watch svu from the beginning but I know it's going to take soooooo long!
0:56 😂😂😂 just couldn't resist sayin that
You just know Elliot's thinking "This is why the wisecracks are left to Briscoe, Lupo, and Bernard."
"Oh, yeah? Cause I was gonna say the guy was scared stiff!"
😊
Dude I felt the awkward stare the detective leveled him with just. Really? Now?
@@sothisthebeginning RIGHT! that was so insensitive
Olivia and Elliot,the team supreme!!!
The Hypocritic Pastor is clearly based on the Westborro Baptist church's very own long passed "Fred Phelps" quite an interesting read if you like researching all religious extremists, this cultist family in particular lived in a fenced-in "community" while his daughter still has the nerve to Practice Civil Law as well. Scary stuff folks!
It wasn’t him, in the end it turned out to be his father who was a curative therapist. Who thought he “cured” his son of homosexuality and then found out he had a male lover and killed him
That’s even more fucked up
Thanks, L&O. That was a good clip. 👍
and you know what's the most funniest thing about all of this? Leviticus 18:22 originally said “man shall not lie with boy/child” instead of “man shall not lie with man” and now people just misinterpret it
Ah yes the pastor quoting an out of date mistranslated bible quote 😂 love that
What was the actual translation?
@@Elliott-l6u "Man shall not sleep with Boy". something like that, shunning and criminilazing p*dophilia as it should
but leave it to bigots to deform history and religious quotes to fit their agenda
@@Elliott-l6ufrom what I saw here, it was something along the lines that "men shall not sleep with boy (s)"
@@Elliott-l6u It was basically something about not doing the boombayah with children, pederasty was a pretty big thing back at the moment in many places (｡•́︿•̀｡)
@@Elliott-l6uSomething like, "man shall not lay with child as he would with his wife".
The guy playing the reverend was also in Supernatural. I love it. ♥️
James Otis, Famine (The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse).
Just to clarify I'm from Nebraska there's lots of us here that aren't homophobic and are either part of the LGBT+ community or an ally most of us love everyone 😊
lol this was 20 yrs ago . Back then IOWA MINNESOTA NEBRASKA ETC Was used in movies etc to basically say not very diverse . But anyone from the midwest knows that’s no longer true .
Killing someone over their sexuality is so sad…
Won't lie, the "scared stiff" line made me laugh
What's astounding is the multitude of "Christians" lean very heavily on the Old Testament rather than the New. Fire and brimstone as opposed to God's Love, very interesting ideology.
Homosexuality is a sin in the old and new testament. But of course a person who never read either wouldn't know that.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 I have read both books and only in the old was it frowned upon because it detracted from increasing the population and in the new,not was Paul or Saul who was against the Roman orgy practices. Regardless, you can condemn homosexuality all you want but it is God who judges and no matter what, murder is also a more grievous sin and nobody has the right to take another's life. It's amazing how "Christians" use scripture to justify acting as God's hand of judgement and forget that for an unbeliever there is no mandate to act from God. It says to turn away from sin, it doesn't say that you have a divine right to pass judgement on another. Judge not, lest you be judged. Get off your soapbox and preach in church. There are many practices that the various denominations have differences with and consider it sinful. Those without sin may cast the first stone, ever wonder why Jesus who was without sin didn't cast the first stone?
@@emilfrederiksen.1622
Not everyone has the same belief.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 not everything revolves around you people
@@emilfrederiksen.1622I’ve read both, doesn’t make it right.
9:08-9:11:
Elliot is now my favorite character and i haven't even seen him in ANY of these
"Law And Order: SVU" clips.
Jonathan Tucker, who plays Ian Tate here, was in the movie The Deep End years earlier. That starred Tilda Swinton as a mom forced into drastic measures on behalf of her son, whose problematic relationship with an older man leads to an extortion threat.
He also played Tommy Donnelly in TV series The Black Donnellys in 2007!
Yeah. I remember that movie. It was a good one.
The priest reminds me of Adam Driver in that snl skit where he plays Pete Davidson’s father, oil baron Parnassus. ‘CRUSH HIM’😂
As a believer, it always saddens me to see bigotry under religious presences. ❤
Then you are not a Christian then if you don't believe in the bible.
@emilfrederiksen.1622 ??? And you came to that conclusion... how?
My statement refers to the murder and hate of a human being who had flaws like the rest of us and you're accusing me of not believing the Bible because...?
@@emilfrederiksen.1622Please education yourself. The Bible says not to judge and that we should love eachother.
People use misinformation and twist things in the Bible to spread hate.
@@xxoxEMxoxx It seems that someone misread the verse. The bible says that we must judge with righteous judgement and not with condemnation. John 7:24 King James Version 24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
@@al38447 It seems that someone is ignoring that you can only judge if you haven’t sinned. Don’t be purposely ignorant.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged”
Why wouldn't the police cover the dead body with a police tent. It's in full view of the public which can be distressing, especially young children
omg the old man is one of the horsemen from the show supernatural
IKR?!
First time I've seen Famine's actor James Otis outside the show!
What is Famine doing here playing a Reverand xD
Maybe he's hungry for attention? As another SPN fan, I have to ask, how perfect is it that Jensen Ackles is the next Batman? In fact, he called himself that in the SPN episode with the cursed good luck charm! Foreshadowing!
@@DravenGalin that case he'll have all the attention he could ever want! And yes, Jensen being the next batman is epic!
@@mangodaguiotango Dean: *Throws a pen* "I'm Batman!" *Pen plugs up the gun*
@@DravenGal LOL I hope he does more lip syncing on set like he did back in SPN xD
@@mangodaguiotango"Eye of The Tiger," baby! Have you watched The Hillywood Show's Supernatural parodies? If not, you really must! You'll thank me later!
OK. Right now, I have no idea if Stabler wanted to scream at the reverend or bite him!
Also, I think it is safe to say this episode was "ripped from the headlines," because as soon as I saw the churchgoers at the Gay man's funeral, I immediately thought of the Westboro Baptist scam (OOPS!), I meant church.
spoiler
they shouldve showed the part where they questioned ian's ex gf from hs and the ex gf's mom tells the detectives she told ian's dad dude your son's gay . cuz in court the defense tried to argue that the dad didnt know and thought someone was raping his son...
2:33 excuse me- i zoned for a few minutes, what-
The priest was based on Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist Church and the actor, James Otis, later went on to play the Horseman Famine in Supernatural. Despite how old and frail he looked, he was only 55 in this episode.
I won’t make a stupid comment that could backfire in my face , I’ll keep my opinions to myself. I still watch the older episodes because I can’t stand how much the cast has changed. I miss Munch , may he rest in peace
I love it most of these people don’t even plea the 5th or ask for a lawyer.
I'm surprised that no one in the comments seems to know that the gay-hating church was based on the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, and the old preacher on its pastor, Fred Phelps. The actor even looked like him. Phelps allegedly had a change of heart in 2013, was excommunicated by his church, and died in 2014.
I doubt that sob had a change of heart... He was likely kicked out because his kids wanted the cash and couldn't wait for him to drop dead
Even if he did survive, I don't think the LGBT community would even want to forgive him, I know I wouldn't and I don't even know the guy
The way the comment section reacts like this is real life concerns me.
You're acting under the assumption that lots of TV shows don't have plots based on real life events. Police procedural shows constantly take advantage of current events and have episodes that are ripped straight from the headlines.
Now we know what Famine was up to before meeting Sam and Dean.
The guy who plays the cop in the beginning, is also a cop or detective in Pretty Little Liars.
Come on, Zussman, I know you didn't survive the war just to end up a killer!
Jonathan Tucker is such a good actor. I've been a fan of his ever since The Deep End with Tilda Swinton. And loved seeing him in Hannibal.
The church was based in the Westboro Baptist, right? Kansas, Nebraska... it's close enough
Yup, I don't live in America as not from there but I definitely know about their "views" and I will say this, I'm disgusted how people or a "church" more like cult can hate on people for being different whilst forgetting that Jesus said "Love thy neighbour" and "Treat people the way you want to be treated", I'm not exactly religious but was Christened in the Church of England but I don't really see myself as religious, do Christians expect to be treated the opposite of the way they treat the LGBTQA+ community, if they do then they are morons, but as I said, I might not be Christian but I always follow Jesus's line of treat people the way I want to be treated, though I was raised to be a good kind person by my family as my nan and my mum have always told my family to treat people the way I want to be treated, so if people treat me nicely then I'll do the same but if they treat me terribly for example Christians then you can bet, I'll treat them the exact same way whilst reminding them what Jesus's told people about treating people the way they would like to be treated
I’m actually scared of who I am because of people like this in the world. It’s terrifying
I'm sorry you feel like that. Please remember there's also lots of people in the world who love, accept and support the LGBTQA+ community, whether they are themselves in that community or not.
Happy new year to you all 🎉🎉🎉🎉🙏👍👍👍👍👍🎄🎄🎄🎄🏴
The reverend had a guest role on the Criminal Minds episode called Lucky.
Technically the laundromat is on private property and you need a warrant.
I remember this episode, the father did it and Ian was going to take the fall for his father until he found out his father knew all along that he was gay.
The bible also says Wake up before sunrise and pray for your enemies. The problem is that people pick up the bible and try to make and try to use it to support an argument and hate people with an excuse. He decorated some quotes nobody will check, but also ignores everything that makes him wrong
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
He is just some bible verses completely dismanteling your point.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 the Bible has been notoriously known to be poorly translated. Considering English is not an old language at all, it probably has been through hundreds of translations if not thousands over the last 2000 years. Some of those times being even orally and scribed into text. Makes total sense that the Bible isnt word for word of what some Godly figure or Holy Spirit is morally guided by.
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 yeah, Like how Eve isn't made from Adam's ribs but from his equal Half
@@cynicalfella equal half? Wdym?
6:32 Mmmmmmm, glorious writing and acting *chefs kiss*
I love stabler being a staunch straight dude when his Oz character Keller was very much a disaster bisexual or closet case
I remember this episode. It wasn’t the lover, it was the lover’s father who killed the student.
I remember watching this episode the first time. The reverend infuriated me, but wisdom with age (or maybe it's just apathy) people like him, it just saddens me to see someone poison themselves willingly. Anyone who pays attention to scripture would know that the prime takeaway from those stories is love. Love yourself and give others the same love you wish to receive.
that reverend is such a brainless religious wannabe
Private Zussman, you naughty boy!!
Cheering at the funeral of a six year old kid who died of AIDS?! The hell is wrong with people? 😡 (I know this is fictional, but I'm guessing that's based on something that actually happened.) The AIDS crisis was sad all round. I read an article written by a gay man who lost most of his friends to this disease. Then you had people being infected by contaminated blood transfusions, another layer of tragedy. It did scare people, my mum grew up in the 80s and has talked about it. It's less of a death sentence these days, thankfully, it can be controlled.
I'm an apathetic person mostly. But I wouldn't go THAT far!
I think alot of people still view HIV and AIDS as a gay disease because of how a lot of gay men died of it back during the 80s but we've come a long way since then to know that HIV and AIDS can be contracted by anyone no matter the sexuality or gender and then we have medication that can allow men and women who have HIV to live long healthy lives and start families, I know we aren't nowhere near a cure, unless you count the stem cell treatment that had cured about 3-4 people with HIV but that was for something else HIV caused them, we shouldn't allow HIV and AIDs to be a stigma anymore but hopefully one day soon, the scientists find a cure for HIV and AIDs so they can mass produce it and give to people who have contracted the virus first time as well as people who have lived with it for decades even if the meds have helped them live healthy lives
This happened in real life as well.
“I was gonna say the guy was scared stiff”
Badum chhh.
I remember this actor, Jonathan Tucker I think. I remember him cause he was on SVU and CSI in the same year.
4:58 woah woah woah, Famine! that’s not your word to reclaim! also aren’t you kinda doing War’s job here?
my bad more like 5:15 but 4:58 is when he shows up XD
The way he got defensive when they 1st approached him shows it was him lmao and he looked concerned af
I was always taught that God loves everyone equally gay or straight
Which god
According to the Bible and I’m not religious, what about Rom 9:13
@@natnaelberhanu-i8wGod condemns homosexuality. You can see in the Bible as well that he burned down Sodom and Gomorrah for homosexuality
@@rosannapark3295 Nope, but cruelty to immigrants and the poor.
Thank you for downloading this I feel so had for that poor young man who had his life taken from him.
The show’s been going on for how many years??😮
24 years
Many, may be more than that
Some things don’t seem to change at all!
Gay marriage is legal now. That’s one of the things that have changed
Look up Dan White and what he did to Supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone in San Francisco in 1978. The movie made was called "Milk."
I heard of the film but not yet seen it, hell I've yet to see Brokeback Mountain, I really need to get round to watching them, I also haven't seen Heartstopper yet but I'll get round to that at somepoint
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay Sean Penn did an excellent job as Harvey Milk!!
@@JackiePhillipsTheSocialPet my 3rd ex-boyfriend has a whole collection of gay films including Milk, he also has a film where Wesley Snipes plays a drag queen. I did see an Irish film called Handsome Devil which was a gay film and I actually enjoyed that film
I was in in high school when this season was airing, but it's still jarring how casually they would just throw out the f-slur on network TV back then. This wasn't even on a premium channel, it was basic cable.
Say, was that George Segal at the end?
yeah that was him.
I would definitely have checked that "reverend's" computer...I think he doth protest too much...
Being religious seems so draining and life wasting like why do you care 😂
Plus they're boring and MISERABLE as hell!
George Segal was a client of my interior designer aunt & it was it was always a pleasure to meet him on multiple occasions; this man was charming personified, he left behind an inspirational body of work.So glad that attitudes and use of slurs are no longer acceptable OR the grossly offensive idea thar men & women chose their sexuality.
For anyone trying to say the Bible says exactly what was preached you’d be incorrect. Edited versions were changed to say this but reading older versions of the Bible it in fact does not. Not only that English Christians were known to have not know how to translate the Bible well and words and sentences are not true to the original Bible.
O6:36!!!! He must be looking at Trump!!!😂