4 Magic Players vs 1 Yu-Gi-Oh! Player | Spot the Impostor with
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- We assembled four actual Magic players and one who is really a Yu-Gi-Oh! player. Our jury will have to guess who the impostor is. Would you have guessed?
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so a guy and girl left and the others stay lol hmmm
I don't get the point of playing with magic cards tbh. Yugioh has magic cards, trap cards, and monster cards; so much better.
Hey cardmarket do you have any idea when the best pauper deck ever series Is going to release? I would love to watch it but it has been a week since the last post about it.
@chessazertyarno we are currently having streamers play the rounds of Swiss. They should be done by the end of the week and then we will fly over Andrea Mengucci to film the top 8. I'll need a week or so to edit it so I'd assume we'll start releasing the videos in late March :)
When number 4 said “reading the card explains the card” I ruled him out! 😂
No way he said right? At the end he was unsure of his answer!
Everyone knows that reading the card, and the relevant CR section, and the actual Oracle text of the card is what explains the card!
I always felt that fit better with Yugioh than Magic. Legendary rule? Wastes? Non-descriptive keywords?
I was so sure he was legit after that answer. Everyone knows Yugioh players don't read cards!
@@FongBot but we know it explains the card
I love how everyone was suspicious of number 4 until he said "reading the card explains the card" and all the judges just went "oh shit, no Yu-Gi-Oh! player's ever said that"
lol
As someone who plays both games, that's actually what made me suspicious. MTG is full of cards with unclear or vague text, and you need to check the oracle text, sometimes the ruling, etc...
In YGO though? 99.9% of playable cards are printed with modern PSCT, which is so precise with every detail specified that, if you know how to read it, you could deduce almost every single ruling entirely from the card text. (Unless you're playing fire king, but the baboon rule is the exception in yugioh rules, there's very few things like it)
@@Void-rj3sq its just cus "reading the card explains the card" is like a classic mtg meme so if you know it, people would imagine you play the game. might be a bit of a problem that it is also probably the most intuitive answer to the question lol
@@Void-rj3sq For "Mystical Refpanel" you literally need a list curated by a 3rd party to figure out how to play it. Also "Warrior of Atlantis"searches a card that doesn't exist, since "A Legendary Ocean" is always treated as "Umi" and only works because Konami says it does.
@@gaugea It's also cus "yu-gi-oh players can't read" is a classic yu-gi-oh meme. So this actually goes both sides.
Was indeed a great answer to lure them away.
Well, I've been bamboozled. Was pretty sure this Thor-Alf guy was the impostor. Just his name was highly suspicious.
Will say that in yugioh there is indeed a Thor card, lv10 synchro monster, pretty funny, not very good though
@@adamxue6096And coming next year there will be in Magic too
@@joedoe7572 Surely it will at least be more playable than the one in yugioh so that's a win
At least, it's pretty hard to be unplayable for commander
Dude are you dumb??!? He is one of the hosts of the channel… and furthermore he was one of the people trying to find the imposter. ARE YOU BRAINDEAD???
I love how Filipa was right with number 4 being sus based on the Pokemon shirt alone
Would be cool if you do this but see which mtg player doesn’t play a format, like 4 commander players and 1 who mostly plays standard or 4 legacy players and 1 who plays modern or something like that. Or 4 paper vs 1 mtgo/arena
Oh yeah that's a great idea
This is great, I really like this idea
That would be fun! It would let the guessers ask more specific questions, too.
I 4th this
That's an idea
They focused too much on the "side deck" question. They were the ones who called it a "side deck;" the suspects were just going along with what they said because correcting them would be too much trouble, and it was obvious what they really meant.
and how much they cared about side deck vs side board is honestly kinda weird
If my goal was to prove that I played Magic and not Yu-Gi-Oh, I would have instantly clocked that as a question meant to trip me up and I would have explained that it's called a sideboard. I just don't think the non-suspect guests really cared about being considered suspect.
@@jeffe2267agreed, the video was fun either way but it was clear the instructed the guests and interviewers in a way that it wouldn't be too obvious. E.g. none of the guests really answered naturally or ever named a specific card.
@@jeffe2267I think their goal was to confuse further, not give clarification
@@jeffe2267 I mean there are Magic players that say side deck, especially if they don't go to events or preleases alot.
"He doesn't know about Sheoldred hehehehhehehehehehehhehehehehehehhehehehehhehee"
I'm a casual player and only ever use sign in blood on myself XD
@@nathantripathy Realistically if you play without those effects that burn on draw like sheoldred it's definitely just target yourself. 2Mana draw 2 for only 2 life is a steal.
@@HeneLv A real MTG player would have said it depends. I've used Sign in blood to finish off oponents that would have killed me the next turn (and that was before sheoldred ever existed).
@@Peinfull87 I mean sure but 95% of the time you're gonna be using it on yourself unless your deck specifically does something with it or opens up lines for a tight victory. There's cases where the 'wrong play' is correct because it leads to a better outcome but they're pretty rare.
Not to say you're wrong or anything, it's just until you play into that stuff more or are experienced I wouldn't sign in blood an opponent.
@@HeneLv Thank you for validating. Back to reassembling my mono-B WUBRG deck.
Anyone that didn’t immediately answer the you attack with all you creatures question with “math is for blockers” would have been my guess on the spot lol
I play magic and I've never heard that joke before
@@TheReddaredevil223found the fake magic player
I mean, he did say "the one who dies", and generally when attacking with everything its an all or nothing play
As a mono red player, math is indeed for blockers
if you say "normal summon robina" and then they flinch, that's a yugioh player
Good one
"I'm willing to give a free copy of bonfire to one of you"
Or just ask "Damage step?"
@@xerael4659 bro just reading that gave me anxiety LMAO
OMG this was so much fun to film ! 🥰😍 thank you again for the opportunity to be part of your videos
It was great to have you on :D I'm really looking forward to the other videos we did with you to come out as well!
I played Yugioh for 13 years before switching to Magic about 10 years ago, and I would have absolutely answered the Side Deck question the same as Number 2. Hell I didn't even notice he said Side "Deck" until Thoralf came on and pointed it out.
After the Planeswalker question, I'm convinved 2 is the Yugioh player. Guess we'll see if I'm right.
Yeah, I didn't even know it had a different name in Magic before watching this.
@@tobynorris Yeah. In Yugioh Sideboard was what most of the players in my area called it, but it was officially called the "Side Deck" by Konami, so thus my confusion.
Yeah, I've always used sideboard and side deck interchangeably and I've been playing Magic for about 20 years.
I found that bit weird. It being called a side deck or side board makes no difference.
I love this channel so much. Hope the yugioh channel starts making content again.
We just reached the final stage of hiring a new host :) it should be back soon
Number 4 seemed to be reading some advertisement to planeswalkers, the way he said it ticked my ears.
true, not all Yugioh cards have lores, so if he hasn't seen the ad somewhere, he wouldn't have said that.
Yes. Do more of these LOL I feel like the side deck question had us all cocking our heads
That question and also not saying “math is for blockers” immediately.
4:15 many commander-only players have extremely middling opinions about Oko, including my entire playgroup who never witnessed what a monster it was in 1v1 60 card formats
eta 5:20 and 5:47 from the same players that rated Oko a 3 I think mostly proves my point about Commander brain in terms of Planeswalker evaluation
Tbf, he's still known as a very oppressive planeswalker, even then. Especially if it comes down in the early game. It may not be a meta-breaking thing there, but he's still "one of the most powerful planeswalkers in the EDH format, by quite a wide margin" when doing the "how powerful is each 1 mana spent on it getting from it?" math.
@@andrewsparkes6275 sure, if he can get a com down and you need it and cant get it killed then hes solid, but you can only do so when its your turn after whatever the player has already done. Obviously weaker than any of the planeswalkers you can turn into an actual wincon, but also below the planeswalkers granting utility (staxing, cardadvantage, ramp e.g.). Hes atleast somewhat decent in low to mid level play groups, but otherwise hes a slightly better beast within if you got simic in your colors already
@@pendotxl822 No, he's not as powerful as a 5 or 6 mana walker. But, like I said, he's more powerful, per mana spent to cast it, than any other walker in EDH. And he's actually better in more powerful groups, because your own deck would likely be running even more interaction which could protect it more. It feels like you're talking out of your ass, using logic about planeswalkers in general, forgetting it's only 3 mana and can immediately jump up to 6 loyalty. That itself protects it for a turn or two at least in the early game of even mid to high power groups. In fact, again, mid to high power groups, which tend to rely on combo creatures rather than stompy-ish Timmy fatties, would find that harder to remove via attacking. Also you say he's worse than planeswalkers that provide utility, and don't realise he's one of the most powerful types of card advantage (via removing their own permanents from the board after they've wasted a card and mana on said permanent - it's better than simply drawing or making your opponent discard since your also making them discard mana too, effectively). Yeah, nice try at sounding like you know what you're talking about but nah, bad points from you all-round.
@@andrewsparkes6275 Not really. with 3 opponents walkers are usually easy to kill if they are a real threat, so oko doesn't tend to last long enough to put too much pressure on a commander game. Commander being a singleton format, part of the threat from oko, being so cheap that losing one copy just meant a second was coming in a few turns to start all over, Isn't an issue to commander. One of the uses for Oko, creating a food and turning it into a vanilla 3/3 every other turn is decent when you're playing against one person with 20 life, but against 40 life spread across 3 players the value of that drops fast. The "how powerful is each 1 mana spent on it getting from it?" math has a lot less bearing on (non cEDH) commander than it does on 60 card formats for a lot of reasons too. It's also a real losing proposition to dedicate enough interaction to meaningfully protect a planeswalker that isn't part of a win con combo (jace, tezzeret, etc) for your deck against 3 players that want it gone. In commander games Oko almost can become just a more narrow Generous GIft, or a more expensive Pongify, and both slowed to sorcery - decent removal spells, but not the powerhouse he was in 60 card by a long shot.
@@ReyosBlackwood Did you read my comment? I already talked about that. But to repeat, the higher the power game, the better Oko becomes, because:
1) In higher power metas, creatures tend towards having most of their mana cost represented in their textbox (with good effects), rather than their stats. Which means it takes (a) actually needing to swing more times/with more creatures, and (b) having the stupidity to do that, when it puts your combo pieces into jeopardy. So Oko will tend to hang around on the board for longer when it comes to attack-removal in higher power metas.
2) In higher power metas, while removal is more rampant, so is your own protection. And (if you've built your deck right), you're probably running slightly more protection interaction than removal interaction. Which means removal spells become harder to resolve in higher power metas too. Which means Oko sticks around longer on the board when it comes to spell-removal too.
Is Oko worse in EDH than 1v1? Yes. I even literally said so myself in my initial comment. Is Oko still one of the most powerful planeswalkers in the EDH format, in terms of how much bang you get for each of your mana bucks? Also yes. Does he get better the higher the power of your meta? Also yes. All of those things can be true at once.
'You don't target yourself with Sign in Blood'
Death's Shadow: 'Am I a joke to you?'
You ALWAYS sign in blood yourself. Ive never used sign in blood on anyone but myself. Why give your opponent cards and it's only 2lp... unless its a killshot or you have a kill lined up I dont get it.
My friends and i always target ourselves with sign in blood
The proper answer should be "it depends"
I guess was for number 4 with the planeswalker question, he talked about them the same way you would a YuGiOh archetype
I have to say I love your ideas. And it's getting better and better. It started with Dan-Dan (please, do more of it), then judge tower (2x!) and now this. Please, do more of this content, and make more interesting and original ideas like this.
This was hilarious. Player 4 played all of us. That "Reading the card explains the card." and "Myself" answers were smoooooth!
By itself, I would target myself with Sign In Blood...
Honestly yeah, 90% of the time im targeting myself with it as well.
in pauper yes..in other formats its more likely you cast it for the other guy...
@@rhysgabrielguevarra4990 Paying 2 life for 2 cards? That's actually not bad...
@@rhysgabrielguevarra4990 I don't play pauper. Unless im playing a specific style that hurts the opponent for having cards in hand/ drawing cards, why wouldnt I pay two life for two cards?
Someone thought of the word "Yugi liar" and the light bulb just went off
I think the Candidates (the Question Answerers) should get a Price if they are never guessed by the guessers. Since It really felt like 5 was just trolling with her answers, which makes the entire concept unappealing.
Number 5 ruined the game. What is the point of someone intentionally saying misleading nonsense in this type of game?
Two things stuck out to me to rule out #4 as the imposter:
1. He's wearing clothing that represents a superior tcg. All yugioh players sponsor superior tcgs with their clothing.
And 2. He had to read Sign in Blood. What Magic player doesn't know Sign in Blood? (It's also one of the closest cards to Pot of Greed, also)
"What Magic player doesn't know Sign in Blood?" 🙋
@@finesseandstyle :0
Do you have any idea how many cards there are in Magic? I've been playing for about 20 years, and I still needed to go look it up, cuz I don't remember that card, at all.
Edit: Ohhh I use that card a bunch, just couldn't remember what it's called.
Definitely do this again but i mean every cardmarket vid is great maybe do it with multiple rounds of imposters who play different card games
This was so good. If you could do some longer form version of this, this would be epic
this was really fun, would love to see more of these mystery challenges
So good to see Filipa with you :) let's see her more on the channel!
More will come :)
Loved this episode, playing both Magic and YGO I thought I'd be able to pick out the suspect in one go but I fell for "reading the card explains the card" an excellent way to cover one's tracks
very good video guys. im always impressed on how this channel is able to pick up on trends that bigger channels do and rework the idea into something that fits for card games. great job!
The real answer to the OKO is 5, because you just got a free win since your opponent just played a banned card.
Not in Vintage 8]
Draft Power/Vintage Cube a few times.
please bring more of this content, it was really entertaining !
I have to assume all the magic players who rated Oko mid are commander players??
I'm player number #1 and I mostly play commander and limited.
First time I played against Oko was at the prerelease. I did not believe that it was a real card
The problem with that question somehow is that oko is now banned from most format and its only legal in oathbreaker and commander where it is a good removal but not something as gamebreaker as the 1v1 okko we could knew.
@@nosciumpixel2238 yeah I didn't even mean it in a negative way, I just don't think toffel considered commander in his question
If transforming into an elk was a minus, the card would be strong. As a plus, it's insane
#5 was overly sus, like unfairly so.
Wtf my favorite color is the strongest one? Right?
If they do this video format again, they have to have stricter rules on how the contestants should answer. She was being super vague on purpose
@@Joebob31100 I mean, I'd answer the same if you ask about my current favorite yu-gi-oh archetype. People who play a TCG for a long time usually also play mostly meta.
Yes, if they do this again, there have to be better rules about how the contestants answer, otherwise there is no point. Do not avoid the question if you know the answer. Do not be vague to the point that the answer is nonsense. They should also probably only address 1 player at a time, so the 2nd player cannot say simply "I agree." The way it was played here, every contest seemed suspicious. "My favorite color is the strongest color"? "Side decks are necessary"? Never heard a Magic player say anything like this.
@@Phyrre56 I mean, kinda. Dont know how it is in MTG but the questions were kinda weak in my opinion.
Like for yu-gi-oh, you could just ask "which format did you enjoy the most (and why)?" And you'd 95% be able to determine the liar.
4 was sus as soon as he said he enjoyed the lore of the plansewalkers.
I like it...
i would love a version of this where secretly all or none are Imposters xD
or all of them are
This was fun. As a long time casual magic player, I still call my library my deck and don't typically have a side board, since I pretty much only play commander or have fun drafting, but it's not wrong to call it a side deck either in my opinion. Once the wrong guesses were made, I think 4 was the front runner for me, but it was still tough
Same, I always say search my deck or tutor, unless I'm actually reading off a card of course.
That was soooo much fun, pls more of it
I could've sworn halfway through the episode that there was gonna be a twist and that only 1 of them was actually a Magic player. Like what are you on about with "side decks are necessary" and "I feel exactly the same" and the reaction to Oko being "meh, whatever" lol
This was pretty fun I enjoyed it, more of these and the deck building show that worked like chopped but for magic. Loved that too.
Please do more of these! Can't wait to guess wrong again lol
Really fun episode guys! Switching up from paper games, to fun interactive "talk show" like games is a great touch! Love you guys
Very cool video idea! 😁 From his expression at 0:07 and 0:11 I was veery suspicious of #4, happy to see I was right 😙
Great content yet again! Hope to catch you guys in Amsterdam.
honestly i wouldn't mind seeing more of this video format... maybe 4 modern players and 1 casual commander player? other stuff like that could be fun too
I was surprised the Sign in Blood question gave it away bc i see that card recommended for card draw in black a lot for commander, Plus, not every opponent you play against plays black anyway so i wouldn't have even considered sheoldred when answering that question lol
It was a joke
Number 5's big brain play, act suspicious so you immediately get voted for and don't have to play but still succeed
Omg that was so fun! I would love an episode like this with 5 mtg players but only one does not play a certain format (for example commander)
Cardmarket is cranking out the banger videos, sheeshgoddamn
The impostor really threw everyone off with his "reading the card" answer. I would have guessed number 3 was the Yugi player...
These questions were so SAFE and EASY! Get me on there!!!! Great video 👍
the sign in blood question gave it away
2:36 as one of many who went from Yugioh as a kid -> MTG when I grew older I still think of it as the "Side Deck" sometimes if I'm being honest
I thought it was 3, because saying something like "i make a new commander deck every day" is a level of dedication i would never be able to accomplish.
I struggle to find 9-12 different cards i want to play in a 60 card formats
nice idea :D
i was also on Nr. 2 and 5. I guess they didn't ask 4 enough questions to eliminate him earlier
As a viewer, from the onset when they talked about how long they've played magic or how much they're into it and then one dude said "I just play magic for fun" it was obvious it was him. All the others said stuff that implies that they know the game and the meta in depth, which an impostor wouldn't want to imply because it would back them into a corner, but saying "just for fun" is an easy way to get away with not knowing some of the harder answers without being outed.
Yeiy Felipa I'm glad she is colaborating with you guys, she is a super cool player.
Twas quite an interesting watch kudos to all involved!
Gives me an idea for you/someone to try:
Round 1: The mtg/yugioh player "teaches" the opposite tcg player the lore/mecahnics of the respective game.
Rpund 2: A series of questions gets asked by the respective coaches to each opposing coaches trainee.
Then flip it and see who are the stronger coaches/learners of a game.
Edit: you could also maybe have 1 of the trainees try to blend in with the others... like one of them have actually played it but their goal is to blend in with the other trainees.
I get a 5 against Oko because I probably won since my opponent presented a banned card
It became obvious to me when they asked who he'd target with signed in blood.
The yugioh player would instantly think "pot of greed".
"I hope you werent rooting for jamin"
How could i when Toffel wears THAT shirt.
i saw number four from the get-go, his body language screamed that he was uncomfortable from the very first question. Him adding the "right?" at the end of his responds what sent him out. While playing enough commander showed me he was the least engaged member in the whole cast. Sat back, arms down, and just looking around.
Number 4: "I just play magic for fun".
Me: "IT'S HIM!"
I thought for sure it was number 1 for a couple of reasons. "I've actually never played Extended" seemed like a weird answer to me because Extended had ended before he began playing so you'd think someone who knew about Extended would've answered that way instead.
Secondly his answer about planeswalkers was elaborate while also saying nothing at all. Anyone could give that answer regarding a card type in any game with formats and it lacks enough identifying details that it would probably be correct.
Magic will forever have a place in my heart. But daaaamn is flesh and blood a good cardgame.
Great Video Idea. Cant wait to watch this one.
It's always nice to be able to knock myself out instead of sitting through someone's stupidly long turn either taking extra turns or stupidly long combo
Great video! Now we need the reverse of it on the yugioh channel!
reading the card explains the card is a common phrase in the yu-gi-oh community so i knew instantly it was him
I used to follow coverage of major Extended events, but I’ve never actually played Extended. I imagine a large percentage of newer players don’t even know what Extended was.
This is great, I love content like this!
I'd love to see a video on decks based around keywords you never really see used, stuff like Blitz.
Great idea. Need more
"reading the card explains the card" is universal at this point. it is in no way just a magic thing
I've never heard it in Yu-Gi-Oh community. I've heard "Yu-Gi-Oh players never read cards" more than that.
@@mslabo102s2 we literaly have a sticker for it in our whatsapp group.
with the powerpuff girls on it. because once again reading the card explained the card
edit - we usually post it after they fail to read a card... so we are not beating the not reading cards allegations
I'd have to disagree. It's certainly prevalent in the MTG community, but other communities that use it like Flesh & Blood or Pokemon, have a decent amount of crossover... it's likely that an experienced player in one game has at least tried the others.
Yu-Gi-Oh, by comparison, is pretty insulated. If people play that game, it's usually the ONLY TCG/CCG they play. So, they wouldn't be exposed to the societal axiom of "Reading The Card Explains The Card" in most cases. Of course, it's still possible they could have, but generally speaking... it's not very likely.
Thoralf making that last Oko joke to see their reactions was a next level move
"When did you last play extended"
-That's a hard one, but I haven't played in it in a loooong time... I think it was shortly after Scars of Mirrodin dropped? I know the last deck I played in extended went undefeated across four local events of about 30 people each. It was Bant landfall with grazing gladeharts and primeval titans, and I know it was scars because I was playing the U/W Venser planeswalker card that can flicker your stuff. Had a few combat tricks to be able to flicker my permanents, so I could use that one "enters" tapped zendikar land that gives protection from a colour, can't remember the name... Kabira crossroads? That might be the one that gains life, who knows?
To be honest, I just call it sidedeck aswell. Can't unlearn once you learn it incorrectly.
In yugioh, sometimes reading the card explains nothing. In modern formats this has been mitigated somewhat but with instances of formats and specific rullings some times you have to know the specific rulling konami gave to the card or know the errata.
So, I kind of avoided putting this here for a while, but Thorolf has quickly become my favorite TH-camr. Everything about him reminds me of my brother, who I unfortunately lost some years ago, to a frankly scary degree. His personality, build, and even the way he looks is almost 1 to 1 for my brother and it helps me to remember him.
This was really fun, I really like this!
Really fun vid, their side deck answer reall threw me for a loop lol
Also where's Filipa from? Her accent is so reminiscent of a brazillian accent, but she's european so i have to imagine she's portuguese?
Yes exactly! She is Portuguese and she's one of the Casters for the Legacy European Tour :)
If anyone was in a conversation and got asked "What are your opinions on side decks" almost everyone would've continued saying Side Deck for the conversation, because that's just how our brains adapt to instinctively fit in
Ruling out a player being into MTG via a Pokemon shirt but not noting the JJK shirt. I thought 2 was the imposter for sure because no magic player knows what anime is.
FINE guys. FINE. I haven't subscribed to a SINGLE Magic channel on TH-cam in all my decade and a half of having a TH-cam account.
But I'll subscribe to you guys.
This was great, I just wish it was a little longer, more intense questioning
The way the guy in the middle (#2) is holding his hand is a Yu-Gi-Oh tell
Please do this again! That was fun :D
Honestly I am very happy when my opponent plays oko because this means that usually I play vintage cube - the best format of magic.
God I loved this so much, I couldn't figure it out either the impostor was the last person I picked!
Now I want to know more about the imposter‘s experiences with MtG, whether they’ve played in the past or not at all, got some info from siblings or made all answers up on the spot… would be really interesting.
If someone asked me what a side deck was, I would totally say it's cards you can switch out with your main deck between games.
Then 2 hours later, I'd smack my forehead and say 'Sideboard!'
I thought for sure it was 3.
It takes a real sicko to wish Planeswalkers were stronger 😂
I really liked this, but I’d like to see a little more about each contestant.
it would be awesome to get some more insight about their answers, I guess number 4 knew a lot about magic even if he didn't play? and the sign in blood question was too hard for a non-player, how he managed to guess what target means and that he can target himself is quite suspicious..
You gotta get josh and jesse on this but they are the ones that have to guess the ygo player
Wasn't this filmed a couple months back? The amogus tie-in with the new set just has that uncanny timing to it lmao
Question to make spotting the "fake" easy-mode: "Can you give a common nickname for any of Magic's color-combinations without repeating a previous answer?"
The "no repeats" means they can't just say an answer someone else says to hide. "Real" players can easily know most of Rakdos/RUG/Bant/etc. and have no trouble naming one not yet answered, but a "fake" may not know any.
Wow what a surprise that the only woman was the first to be accused of not being a magic player 🙄
lol ignoring the fact that she wasn't really taking it seriously then you have a point
Flips a coin to go first. Values deckslist by which player goes first. Brings cards back from Exile. Thinks lands are a field spell. Also, plays auras and equipments from the back row. Asking a sus player if they ever designed an affinity deck and what was the favorite card in that deck would be a decisive question.
I don’t play Magic, but as soon as 4 said “Target” I knew it was him