My friend, I feel so bad for you and others in your situation. In America, we might not have complete gun rights, but we have most of them. I can go out and buy a dozen AR-15s with no problem. 30 round mags, no problem. Hell I once bought 100 of those magazines in one purchase. One of the long distance ranges I go to is run by a former British sniper who now lives here. I asked him what he thought about the gun control back in the UK and he said it was a crying shame. The reason he lives over here now is for the gun rights. I feel for you man. There's a lot about America that I don't like, but I still love this country and the 2nd Amendment is at the top of the list on reasons why!
These people didn't understand that this was to keep people from resisting tyranny. How can anyone resist tyranny with the tyrants are armed and you're not?
667Gullin You should believe the Bible and not the liars to whom you listen. You're brainwashed with lies. *_Truly_* believing in Jesus is life transforming. It's a personal commitment to the One who was hung on a tree because of His love for you. It's a decision of the heart, not the mind but when the heart changes, the mind will follow.
667Gullin It's not time you lack; it's honesty, integrity and critical thinking skills. Your arguments are empty and your stupidity is apparent. You're too stupid to know that the flood is known in every corner of the world? No, you don't know that because you're too stupid to make the connection that you should have found that fact out before you opened your stupid mouth and advertised your ignorance. Fools like you mouth off your stupidity and expect people with normal intelligence to hold our tongues while ignorant fools like you infest people with lies because you're too dishonest and lazy to do your homework. The evidence for the flood is everywhere but you're too stupid to engage your brain and recognize the truth of Scripture or to examine the motives of the evil people who you allow to deceive you. You have the Internet and you're using it for all the wrong reasons. If you don't want to be insulted, stop your stupid mouth from inviting insults.
667Gullin Listen halfwit and I'll give you *JUST ONE* irrefutable proof of the flood. There are many more and if you weren't such a dolt, you'd know that. Although idiots dispute it, it's irrefutable to intelligent, thinking men. The simple, evidentiary facts I present will demonstrate whether you're too stupid to think or not. All over the world there are petrified trees standing upright *THROUGH the "strata"* which is really the sedimentary layers that settled as the worldwide flood receded and caused the collective "fossil graveyards. Or did you think all the animals walked across the earth to the same place and laid down and died and for each death, circumstances were perfect for fossilization? There is another place where you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed and didn't even think enough to say, "Wait a minute! How is it all these animals died and were preserved _in the same place_? Playing you for the fool you are, they didn't say anything to provoke a thinking question from you! The same flood deposited these trees throughout the world and they petrified because they were encased reasonably quickly (a few weeks to months) which fulfills the requirements for petrifaction. It is a fact that these trees *ARE throughout the world standing upright through the "strata"*. That they are petrified and that they do run right through all the sedimentary layers that the lying evolutionists claim are the strata of the fabricated "geologic column" is irrefutable truth that Noah's flood covered the earth. Unless you want to claim aliens came and planted these petrified trees without disturbing the strata? Now, the mere fact that you're thinking and wondering about the massive attempt at brainwashing that you're being confronted with should serve to alert you to a wicked mastermind behind the deception and the Bible tells you that his name is satan, but you thought you were too smart to believe in him. Yet you were too stupid to see how gullible you've been for how many years! These liars are evolutionists solely to despise the Word of God for there is not one single fact of science that proves any aspect of evolution and you'd know that if you used your brain and the Internet for honest research! These trees *PROVE* that the liars who preach evolution are _lying through their teeth_ and it also proves the media is owned by the wicked because they won't tell you the truth. If you're not too stupid to open a TH-cam account, then you can see that the flood was the only way to get these trees in their positions. If you're not too stupid to breathe, then you can see why the media won't tell you about these trees that prove evolution is a stupid man's stupid idea and the entire agenda is to brainwash the world so that you will be their fools and allow them to take over all the governments with their financial power and make you their serfs. What have you just learned, halfwit? That both those who "educate" you and "inform" you are both evil liars who have brainwashed you. The biggest question for a halfwit like you is "Why?" The answer is that Christians don't take to servitude well, because they understand the power of prayer, the power of God, the power of godliness and righteousness and *they don't make good serfs!* But, being the pawn and fool you are, you've never bothered to suspect that the wicked have long been working on making you their servant. It's way past time to wake up. You have the Internet and no excuses. Now, if you're a fool, you'll run to talk.origins or some other idiot's site to attempt to find a plausible excuse to continue justifying your rebellion against God because you love your sin. It's all plain as day.
@@cardiffpicker1 not as bad as the us because crime usually correlate with big cities and the us had more big cities per capita then the UK also remember most homicide 80% of it in the us are drugs and gang related
“Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson Allowing the government to infringe on the right to bear arms is allowing tyranny. This has been proven time and time again throughout history.
Why surrender your guns? I don't understand. Just like in Connecticut, where they stood in line to register their guns! There has to be a line drawn in the sand, or they will keep rolling over you and your rights!
Because if they were stupid & didn't the police would take it by force from them & jail & or fine that's why & they would probably be barred for life from ever owning a gun again, if they got put inside for 3 years or more.No private gun in Britain or in Australia is permitted, without a license.
+MarineAqua45 how about the people join together and fight to keep their rights. i would assume there was more armed people then there are police! fight now with guns, or fight later without them? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
+667Gullin I have no idea what anatomy has to do with the argument. if we didn't have our God given right of self preservation, that's confirmed by our Bill of Rights we would be under complete tyranny, instead of soft tyranny
+667Gullin you may not know if there is a God or not, but I doubt that you don't believe in God. if we was under complete tyranny, we wouldn't be having this conversation. why get a license? the anti gun crowd will not quit until we are completely unarmed.
Jesus Christ, you paranoid fuck. No one is trying to fuck with your way of life nor your rights. The republicans aka the right, literally gave away *ALL* American citizens rights and privacy through the nsa and internet surveillance and wiretapping and phone surveillance laws, and loopholes around warrants and persecution the US government has passed,. If I sound paranoid, at least I'm worried about something that *ACTUALLY and ALREADY* happened. Whereas the right is paranoid over something that hasnt happened, losing their rights. No one is attempting to take them for you. The left and right are both united and benefit from their rights and liberties, together. But no one *needs* assault rifles and automatic weapons. The constitution was written when they did not exist and the weapons then shot slower than a God damn turtle fucking.
Hiram Hackenbacker who wants to have 9000+ gun murders a year, who wants to have every pathetic thug has a handgun, who wants to have that loud drunk twat at the pub causing a scene have a handgun?
boblobjok it doesn't happen in countries with strict gun laws and no carry rights. it does happen in america, with more guns than people, very relaxed gun laws and lots of concealed carry permit holders. its only americans who can look at that these two facts and automatically claim that more guns will solve the issue...
boblobjok Yeah we can all walk around like the wild west and kids should have their own weapons at school. that would make things safer. How about we all drive tanks that would make it safer still according to your deluded logic.
What many people are unaware of is that the NRA has equivocated previously in my own lifetime. In 1968, then President LBJ among the last things which he did before leaving office was to sign into law the Firearms Control Act of 1968 and the NRA had a "place-at-the-table" then making suggestions and rendering opinions as if our Second Amendment Rights were a bargaining chip to negotiate with the Federal Government about. This was where the BATF came from. This is where the NRA let us all down and it has done it before this back in the 1930's and '40's. I belong to Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. This historical inconsistency about NRA was what made me switch to an organization which reflected my values as a Gun Owner.
Of the people and By the People!!!!! NOT OF THE FEW BUT BY THE MANY!!!! So Sad the many didn't stand against the few.😥. United We Stand, Divided We Fall. May GOD Bless America,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” - George Orwell
@@workingjoe5599 How 'bout Georgia? It used to be you could openly (?) carry from Virginia to Florida, but not in GA. Once I-95 reaches D.C. and places north, you're just f'ed and have to follow the Federal guidelines to travel with a firearm through "safe zone central." 🙄
Gun rights must have looked real good to both the unarmed police officers and the innocent bystanders who helplessly watched while two crazy Muslims nearly decapitated that poor British soldier on the street while waiting for the armed police unit. (Rolling eyes)
Well no, The decapitated the man, then ran at the police, who shot both of them. The police on the scene having very inaccurate pistols wouldn't have changed a thing. Except probably killed them,
Keeping the guns must look real good to the us whilst they watched their children slaughter by one man with an assault rifle. Not forgetting all of the others. Yeh guns did you a HUGE favour. Over 30 children dead. I think 30+ kids to 1 man is on another level. R.I.P lee rigby. And all the victems of mass shootings.
If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
The united states should help the great people of england have their firearms back into their hands. I will put Mich effort and word around to see this happen
Dentures Ventures In the united states we have the NRA and its been a great organization fighting to keep our rights. I understand your feeling of lack of security to protect yourself and family I know how strictly england has become. If it comes to you having to leave england to become a U.S citizen I would. We have a very strong nation of gun owners and millions of us are willing to fight and die to keep them. If were you I would try to inform people about an organization or look for one and spread the message get as many people as possible to join and make donations for the organization. Just like our NRA they use our money to make cases at courts all over the nation and they have given us great firearm freedoms we have what you call concealed carry for handguns and its a permit to carry a concealed handgun. And we have open carry which does not require a permit at all. You have to take it to the politicians and let them know you will not vote for them NRA has their website of politicians with grades on gun laws they rate them from A to F and F mean failed no good to vote for them and it has put the fear of god in our politicians because they know if you have a bad reputation with the NRA grade approval they know the people will not vote for them and I think that would be a first step for England because I know by this point in their hearts they want a feeling of security
***** a bat won't do much good when you got a mob of 100 to 500 people or even thousand yeah why do you think the riots don't happen in the U.S where guns are in every hand of a citizen because they know they will get their ass shot so they behave
667Gullin You're an idiot. It's that simple. That tells me that you're a fornicator too, because sexual sin invites demonic oppression and self-deception.
+Dustin Cochrane It would be better if the NRA gives British gun rights supporters advice on how to form a British version of the NRA and let the British citizens fight their own battle for gun rights.
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Gunfags are so pathetic. Cowardly dunces trying to tell real people in civilisation how to live. Ridiculous.
Several years ago, I conversed with an Great Britain citizen, on line, about the state of the world. To make a long story short, he (or she) made a condemning retort about how much better Great Britain was vs the USA CAUSE GB had banned guns. I re-educated that person of the Lend Lease Doctrine. That the US rearmed the UK in their fight against Nazi Germany. This was because GB had banned firearms to be held the common citizen. That person's reply was that the Lend Lease Doctrine was unnecessary I countered that Churchill begged the USA for weapons support. That person had no idea what I was talking about. Once again, the uninformed, are victims not of their own history, but the trivial BS shoveled by political correctness. Durring our internet conversation, I finally advised her that guns were illegal in GB cause, an armed citizenry was a threat to The Crown. That an armed citizenry could rise up & demand change. That person then went off line.
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+Gee Bee You should contact that person and apologise to them for your pathetic dumb lies. You stupid gullible types are a fucking curse. Propaganda isn't factual you mindless dupe.
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+Michael Bond They're a nation of fucking morons. They get pre programmed with horseshit when they're in elementary and the dumb incurious bastards never bother figuring out the truth. The fucking nonsense they get taught instead of history would make Goebbels blush.
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+Michael Bond For a bunch who claim to not trust the gubmint they have no problem accepting everything they're told in the gubmint history books. A history both republicans and democrats agree is true, so it must be true then.
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+Michael Bond A) They have no clue because they just don't have enough fingers to count that high. and B) Indoctrination. The commies are going to nuke everyone worked for years and years, then the budget started to decline but now it's higher than it ever was. They abandoned NORAD and now they're moving back in. 26,000 is the number of PR consultants the Pentagon has on the payroll and they only work inside the US.
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+Michael Bond They think they are an empire and they're going to conquer the world so you have to have a big military. They never stop to wonder why they are the only country still playing that game. Empire went the same way as dreadnoughts. The purpose of empire is to get raw materials from and produce value added finished goods for the colonies. The Chinese have that without bothering with a ridiculously expensive military and colonial administration. The last days of the US is copying the last days of Rome. A decadent lazy population and a huge budget for mercenaries draining the treasury.
I know Brits don't want to hear this, but I fail to see the logic behind the gun ban. Even before the ban, the uk had some of the worlds strictest regulations on guns, it would be impossible for a criminal to legally aquire guns.
What about a criminal who hadn't been caught. Also why would a criminal buy it legaly. Your comment was stupid and not thought through. Impossible my arse!
4 eyed Killer He said it was impossible to buy it legally, you then say the could buy it illegally and so it's not impossible and so Panoramic is stupid?! Strange logic you are using there. And his point is valid. The gun ban effected certain types of weapons legally held by licenced shooting club members. The fact this would only effect a TINY proportion of the UK population (despite this video suggesting otherwise) of responsible gun owners was the very defence used to try and stop the regulation. So why did the regulation go through? Because one of those licence gun club members had just gone on a rampage through a school killing sixteen children and one teacher.
+Mike Breen yes but Thomas Hamiltons mental state & his obsession with control over boys was questionable years before the massacre happened & he got his licence renewed because his friend was the Assistant chief constable. Anywhere else he would have been banned. Two of Hamiltons guns were illegal. There's more to this than what meets the eye. Most people in his club thought of him as a weirdo & complained about him to the police & even the police themselves made complaints to their superiors, with one constable referring to him as ' a fuckin nutter'& CID was investigating him. Someone's covered up something. With this amount of complaints it should have given the police good grounds to seize his guns, but they didn't & he had no reason to own over a thousand & a half rounds of ammo, as he didn't belong to a club- he got kicked out several.If he got kicked out, the club would have told the police & nothing happened.
MarineAqua45 Your right of course. Hamilton should never have had his licence and what should have happened is some heads should have rolled for allowing the bloody weirdo to keep his licence and his guns. The system should have been tightened up and made to work as it should have been. That's what should have happened in 1997. The banning of one type of gun from the remaining licence holders achieved nothing other than some brownie points for politicians. If someone fancies going on a shooting spree today, he can. The US gun nuts who run around proclaiming that the gun ban increased crime or did not work are completely full of shit, frankly. The ban did what it was intended to do. If other people thought it was meant to achieve something g else that it never could, that's their problem.
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement and I hope you guys can somehow overturn that gun control and get your guns back. If I ever become president, we'll invade and free you guys from that oppressive communistic regime.
jimmy johnson i fear its too late for us, no going back now they just keep taking our rights away bit by bit & all the sheeple think the gov will watch out for them ha ha it would be laughable if it were'nt a matter of life & death thats why it is very important that you stand together, watch out for the false flag thats needed for their next step but the power is with you all if you stick together & fight them every step of the way as they try to limit your ammo,take certain calibre guns each 1 another step towards disarmement, please america do what we could'nt or would'nt & maybe we might yet get to fire a gun with out it being a criminal offense,its funny as the criminals are the only 1's it seems with the right to bear arms now bs, i pray for you all & never take a backward step,stick together & don't be bs'd by gov puppets who don't give a shit about us the peasants/slaves but the american people can & will affect change.GOD BLESS YOU AMERICA
Alan West Did your gun control keep the criminals from getting guns? There's more illegal guns in the UK than ever before. All it did was restrict guns from the law abiding people or the good people. Now you have a society where guns are controlled by the bad guys on the street and the bad guys in government.
Alan West This is about us the people against all the hypocritical corpgov puppets with their do as i say not as i do mentality whether it be in the guise of limiting ammo,calibre's all they want is to disarm us, we'll be easier to handle, all the while blowing 7 shades of shit out of people over a barrel of oil,killing over 3000 people (own people 911) & numerous other slaughters then got the cheek to want your guns!! wtf you need them to protect against depopulation .The police in london are in the process of trying to buy watercannon to help with civil disorder such as protests against themselves i.e the gov,banks,etc as the peasants get restless so lets not be divided we the people have the power if we stick together & learn from each other & never be divided knowledge=power
For people saying UK citizens are being oppressed, the cops here don't carry guns either. Last year we had just 1 police shooting, and the year before that none at all.
***** Those statistics have been debunked a million times. The confusion is due to the fact that the legal definition of "violent crime" is wildly different in each country. In the U.S, it refers to four specific crimes: "murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault". The UK definition covers all "crimes against the person". This includes "assault without injury, harassment, causing public fear, alarm, or distress" and numerous other minor offenses. Those are the official FBI and Home Office definitions. Do you really think it makes sense that America would have a far higher murder rate, and yet be a much less violent society?
***** PS The murder rate statistic takes into account the different population sizes. The UK has a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000. The US has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000.
webdesignerguy UNITED KINGDOM CASE STUDY “Most violent country in EU” POSSESSION OF HANDGUNS IS ILLEGAL 2,034 VIOLENT CRIMES PER 100,000 PEOPLE IN UK vs 466 VIOLENT CRIMES PER 100,000 PEOPLE IN USA In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!
***** I'm getting so bored of debunking that misleading statistic. The title "Most violent country in EU" and the statistics you cite come from a British tabloid newspaper (the Daily Mail), not any official source. The US FBI definition of "violent crime" is: "murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." The UK Home Office definition is: "Violent crimes are those where the victim is intentionally stabbed, punched, kicked, pushed, jostled, etc. or threatened with violence whether or not there is any injury." Clearly these statistics refer to different categories of crimes. Furthermore, the murder rate in the US is 4 times higher than in the UK (4.8 per 100,000 per year, vs 1.2 per 100,000 per year). You can see a full comparison of specific violent crimes like murder and rape in the US and UK here: rayrayallday.com/2013/01/11/the-difference-between-us-uk-violent-crime-rates-depends-on-definition-of-violent-crime/ Every time I hear a gun rights activist trotting out these false statistics about the UK, I loose a little more respect for the movement.
two things to note: 1. that march in the beginning was about a ban on fox hunting with hounds, it had nothing to do with guns, matter of factly rifles are still legal for hunting purposes and so are single shot pistols. 2. antique handguns and guns of "particular aesthetic interest" such engraved or enjeweled guns were not forced to be handed over and were allowed to be kept by their owners.
I work 6 days a week behind the counter at a convenient store. 2 years ago, I also had a burglar in my garage with a knife. Don't tell me we don't have a problem with armed criminals. When I spotted him, I went for the biggest scariest gun, closest to me. Instead of the burglar stabbing me, he fell to the ground, crying, begging for his life, before he took off running when the cops were showing up. Now, him and all his buddies now know to stay away from my home, or get shot.
Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances - from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. - where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.
I see a lot of agitated Brits leave comments on threads like this one accusing the NRA of lies and deception. They lament "oi, those demonstrations didnt happen in 1997" as if that is the premise of the vid. The title lays it out perfectly clear, this vid highlights the events that happened to British folks when their society became conditioned over the years to accept limits on their ability to own firearms and thus became apathetic about their rights. The ground work for changing the paradigm regarding British gun ownership began in the 1920's in small steps that progressed in increments throughout the 1900's, not in 1997 when it was practically over, which is why by '97 there was nothing left but apathy and a willing public. Gun control doesnt work, it only changes the method of the carnage, and conditions the public to want more of it as a solution when it doesnt stop the next horrific event ...like those 5 people stabbed last week.
To be clear, armed resistance is the most effective means of stopping a violent criminal. Unarmed resistance generally goes badly because the violent criminal arrived armed and ready to inflict harm. The best defense is an armed defense. That's why our politicians surround themselves with military-grade firearms.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677. The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
I personally believe the manner in which you obtain firearms is more significant than the kind of firearms you own. Obtaining a firearms license, as we do in the UK is the best way to ensure that only people who are safe to own weapons, own them. As such you should have to "earn" the "right" to own firearms but should not be restricted in which firearms you own. It's like driving a car, you wouldn't trust someone without a license driving on their own.
Gun licensing and gun registration leads to gun confiscation, which leads to disarmament of law-abiding citizens. This happened in the UK and in Australia.
I live in the UK and our firearm laws are fine, thankyou. My father owns several shotguns which he applied for legally and goes out hunting with his mates on a weekend. None of them complain about it and agree the laws are a good thing because they respect firearms as a privilege, not a right. Meanwhile we just don't have gun homicides for the most part - only 41 actual gun homicides in the whole country last year. Using us as an example of gun laws failing is basically pissing in the wind.
Considering that today a British solder got his head cut off by two crazies while both unarmed civilains and unarmed British cops watched helplessly and waited several minutes for a specialized armed police unit to come to the rescue, Great Britain is definitely a gun-safe utopia.
An FBI background check takes a few minutes but since I have a concealed license that only took 30 days to get,I can just walk into a store and buy a gun. I don't have to join a club,wait several months and see if they like me along with a background check. See,we have a constitutional right to bear arms,you do not.
I read somewhere that the UK gun crime rates are basically the lowest in the world,which is a reason why i think the regulations are getting out of hand.
The problem here is that you complied with this irrational and amoral legislation. No one should have turned their guns in, what would the government do? whine about no one complying with the law?
Monash was two killed, five wounded, which technically doesn't count as a mass shooting. It's absurd to think that ridding a society of guns won't reduce gun crime.
You also trust your neighbors to not come at you with a knife or a bat, not buy fertilizer and make bombs, not soak your house with gasoline and set it on fire, not run over your children or not use common household products that are precursors to explosives. A gun is no different.
All I know is that if at least one of those British bystanders had both a concealed weapons license and a firearm, that British solder would have been saved.
We dont have an amendment saying we have the right to keep and drive cars, we do have an amendment saying we have the right to keep and bear arms. Owning a gun is a right, owning a car is a privledge, two completely different things.
I also wanted to say we have always felt that with everyone being armed it acts as a deterrent from criminals and anyone who would use a gun in such an illegal way. Now while not having guns available to the public would seem like a viable solution to gun violence others have proven countless times this is not the case. There is such a long history and pattern of governments disarming its citizens and committing mass genocide it is staggering. So that is why the US people like to remain armed
"gun crime in the uk has gone down since the bans!" That's a very misleading statistic, because the homicide rate itself actually peaked years AFTER, and violent crime has also increased. In other words, the UK's gun ban merely changed the methods of violence used; it did nothing to decrease murder or violence in general.
Britain was never invaded by the nazis, and the fact that ordinary English people were disarmed does not mean we had a huge stockpile of weapons for our soldiers who had to do the actual fighting. If British civilians were allowed guns in WW2 crime would have been rampant with people trying to steal extra food or simply because there wasn't anyone left to keep order.
I'm a Brit and anybody can legally get a gun here IF they're squeaky-clean with no police record. First you have to join an approved gun club and use their guns on their range for a probationary period of several months. Then you apply to the police for a Firearms Certificate, they'll do background checks on you and ask the gun club what they think of you, and if you check out okay they'll grant you a certificate and you can go buy a gun..:)
You might not have seen a gun, but they are everywhere in London. The metropolitan police confiscate between 200-400 guns per month. The reason why gun crime is low in Britain, is because traditionally we don't use guns to sort our problems. Gun crime was almost non-existent even before the first gun control laws passed in 1920. America has gun problems because of Americans, Canada has high gun ownership but far lesser gun problems because of the culture there.
"A well regulated militia, being a NECESSITY to the SECURITY of a FREE state, the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed!", "DUMP THE TEA INTO THE SEA!"
The FBI defines violent crime as : Murder & non-negligant manslaughter, forcible rape or robbery, & aggravated assault. The British Home Office has a much wider definition that includes ALL "crimes against the person," including simple assaults, all robberies, & all "sexual offences". Coincidentally, the 2011/12 England & Wales crime stats were released yesterday, showing that the number of violent incidents had halved from their peak in 1995, & all reported crime down 8% from 2011 to 2012.
And most of those guns floating around will be hidden, refused to turn in, or claimed "lost" to the police. At least 1/4 of guns in the U.S. are unregistered anyway, so the police won't even know if someone's keeping their guns after they're banned.
They ban AR-15's here in the US... they better have $1,400 in US to give me as compensation. I don't outright allow someone to take my personal possession without a fight, or equal money compensation.
tackling the root issue is important, that doesn't mean that you should still continue to allow people easy access to weapons and increased lethality. if you have a problem with your car where the breaks dont work, its not a valid response to keep driving it untill you figure out whats stopping the breaks from working. you tackle the immediate problem(the breaks not working/massive gun crime) and then sort out the underlying cause.
Have you heard of a bolt-action rifle? Heard of a Lee Enfield .303 & a Steyr SSG69? Both are bolt-actions, both are legal in OZ & in the UK & one is a sniper rifle & both could be used by a crazy sniper, like Scorpio out of Dirty Harry.Results,the '96 ban hasn't changed anything. Killers use whatever they prefer to use. Cumbrian killer Derek Bird used an old double-barrelled shotgun & a .22 rifle, because,thats what he prefered. This my friend is the truth of the matter.
>actually it is Not to the other European countries that measure the violent crime rates in a similar fashion with lower crime rates (and that still have better gun laws) >violent crime has fallen 47% since 1995(our handgun ban was in 1997) And murders have been dropping in the US in the last 20 years too. It's not a localized phenomenon. However, there were 5,209 gun crimes in 1998/99, and 9,865 in 2008, despite the drop in violent crime.
small list of crimes recorded as violent in England but not violent in america: -all forms of sexual assault other than rape. -attempted murder. -harassment -conspiracy to murder -possession of a weapon or dangerous substance -causing public fear -endangerment -possession of an item to endanger life -pushing or shoving the list goes on, its not simply renaming, we record more offences as violent, its not very hard to understand.
30 seconds is average for crossbows reload. Ban proposals are in regard to weapons that represent overkill. I've seen no demands for banning all guns since 1970's.
Its also fair to say that the "body count" in the U.K has never been comparable to the U.S guns or no guns. Researchers such as John Lott have proven that the U.K's gun crime was lower pre-ban and was and is higher post ban.
@Thomas Owen: Although I am American, and I do care about the 2nd Amendment, and I'm a member of the NRA, in good standing, I also understand your point. I too saw the inclusion of the weapons confiscation in Australia when the article started in Great Britain and was titled "Great Britain. There was no transition at all, with any commentary on Australia. I agree with you. Continued, next post.
actually i can apreciate the gun owner side of the argument, atleast slightly, as i used to do target shooting in the UK with rifles. i understand it as a sport and i understand it for hunting, but thats where it ends. obviously a gun can be used for self defence, i simply think that a better way to protect yourself from people likely to harm you is to not arm them with lethal weapons. in essence, in no situation are my chances of survival improved by other people having firearms.
Sarah Everard, and the other names read out in Parliament a day ago, no guns required......... violence is the problem and the fear of the threat of government violence was all that was needed for it to come to this.
The killer in the cumbria shootings used guns legal to own in the UK (two shotguns and a rifle i think it was) he never used any banned firearm like a handgun.
They would certainly give Piers Morgan 'a good debate' & they also don't agree with his idea of an 'Assault-Weapon ban'.The cops were from the old days of the late 60s onto the 90s,when gun crime was considerably lower than today & Gray was one of the first cops to join SO19
It isn't nearly impossible to own an Enfield rifle.It requires a Section 1 application form to be completed,returned to the forces firearms department & a review of the dwelling security,at the police forces discretion & then the license arrives in the post.Before this,a candidate must have been a probationer at a gun club,which uses Section 1 weapons for at least 6 months.Its quite easy to get,once a club member.The near impossible license is a Section 7.3 variation for classic pistols on Sec1.
May we never forget what Britain and Australia learned. Never Stand down.
I can't stress enough how important it is to not give a single inch to these gun control initiatives.
My friend, I feel so bad for you and others in your situation. In America, we might not have complete gun rights, but we have most of them. I can go out and buy a dozen AR-15s with no problem. 30 round mags, no problem. Hell I once bought 100 of those magazines in one purchase.
One of the long distance ranges I go to is run by a former British sniper who now lives here. I asked him what he thought about the gun control back in the UK and he said it was a crying shame. The reason he lives over here now is for the gun rights.
I feel for you man. There's a lot about America that I don't like, but I still love this country and the 2nd Amendment is at the top of the list on reasons why!
+John Smith I appreciate it John; It's incredibly frustrating, and to be honest I can only see it getting worse.
These people didn't understand that this was to keep people from resisting tyranny. How can anyone resist tyranny with the tyrants are armed and you're not?
667Gullin You should believe the Bible and not the liars to whom you listen. You're brainwashed with lies. *_Truly_* believing in Jesus is life transforming. It's a personal commitment to the One who was hung on a tree because of His love for you. It's a decision of the heart, not the mind but when the heart changes, the mind will follow.
667Gullin Ignorant and stupid.
667Gullin It's not time you lack; it's honesty, integrity and critical thinking skills. Your arguments are empty and your stupidity is apparent. You're too stupid to know that the flood is known in every corner of the world? No, you don't know that because you're too stupid to make the connection that you should have found that fact out before you opened your stupid mouth and advertised your ignorance.
Fools like you mouth off your stupidity and expect people with normal intelligence to hold our tongues while ignorant fools like you infest people with lies because you're too dishonest and lazy to do your homework.
The evidence for the flood is everywhere but you're too stupid to engage your brain and recognize the truth of Scripture or to examine the motives of the evil people who you allow to deceive you. You have the Internet and you're using it for all the wrong reasons.
If you don't want to be insulted, stop your stupid mouth from inviting insults.
667Gullin Listen halfwit and I'll give you *JUST ONE* irrefutable proof of the flood. There are many more and if you weren't such a dolt, you'd know that.
Although idiots dispute it, it's irrefutable to intelligent, thinking men. The simple, evidentiary facts I present will demonstrate whether you're too stupid to think or not.
All over the world there are petrified trees standing upright *THROUGH the "strata"* which is really the sedimentary layers that settled as the worldwide flood receded and caused the collective "fossil graveyards.
Or did you think all the animals walked across the earth to the same place and laid down and died and for each death, circumstances were perfect for fossilization? There is another place where you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed and didn't even think enough to say, "Wait a minute! How is it all these animals died and were preserved _in the same place_?
Playing you for the fool you are, they didn't say anything to provoke a thinking question from you!
The same flood deposited these trees throughout the world and they petrified because they were encased reasonably quickly (a few weeks to months) which fulfills the requirements for petrifaction.
It is a fact that these trees *ARE throughout the world standing upright through the "strata"*.
That they are petrified and that they do run right through all the sedimentary layers that the lying evolutionists claim are the strata of the fabricated "geologic column" is irrefutable truth that Noah's flood covered the earth. Unless you want to claim aliens came and planted these petrified trees without disturbing the strata?
Now, the mere fact that you're thinking and wondering about the massive attempt at brainwashing that you're being confronted with should serve to alert you to a wicked mastermind behind the deception and the Bible tells you that his name is satan, but you thought you were too smart to believe in him.
Yet you were too stupid to see how gullible you've been for how many years!
These liars are evolutionists solely to despise the Word of God for there is not one single fact of science that proves any aspect of evolution and you'd know that if you used your brain and the Internet for honest research!
These trees *PROVE* that the liars who preach evolution are _lying through their teeth_ and it also proves the media is owned by the wicked because they won't tell you the truth.
If you're not too stupid to open a TH-cam account, then you can see that the flood was the only way to get these trees in their positions.
If you're not too stupid to breathe, then you can see why the media won't tell you about these trees that prove evolution is a stupid man's stupid idea and the entire agenda is to brainwash the world so that you will be their fools and allow them to take over all the governments with their financial power and make you their serfs.
What have you just learned, halfwit? That both those who "educate" you and "inform" you are both evil liars who have brainwashed you.
The biggest question for a halfwit like you is "Why?"
The answer is that Christians don't take to servitude well, because they understand the power of prayer, the power of God, the power of godliness and righteousness and *they don't make good serfs!*
But, being the pawn and fool you are, you've never bothered to suspect that the wicked have long been working on making you their servant.
It's way past time to wake up. You have the Internet and no excuses.
Now, if you're a fool, you'll run to talk.origins or some other idiot's site to attempt to find a plausible excuse to continue justifying your rebellion against God because you love your sin.
It's all plain as day.
+667Gullin Just imagine if you had either intelligence or knowledge of the facts on your side. As it is, you're left as an ignorant idiot.
And now Britain has a big issue with knives and knife attacks...
Not as bad as America ,yet
@@cardiffpicker1 not as bad as the us because crime usually correlate with big cities and the us had more big cities per capita then the UK also remember most homicide 80% of it in the us are drugs and gang related
@@your_waifu_hates_you that isn't true though
@@cardiffpicker1 no. It's worse.
@@Finch-lh6lk America still has more people per capita killed by stabbings than the UK
“Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
Allowing the government to infringe on the right to bear arms is allowing tyranny. This has been proven time and time again throughout history.
But they're never used against the government. We've been convinced to use them against eachother.
They believe they are holding the government and the top military in the world at bay with an AR-15 and a 4x4... @@johanisnotagamer
From my cold dead hands! Enough said. Love the NRA.
It will be easy to take it from your cold dead hands with a tank sitting on your body.
ME - You've come to get my guns? Sorry, lost them in a boating accident
Little did they know that 11 years form then they would ban butter knives
I always say why do politicians want to disarm Law Abiding Citizens? Especially when they are SOFT ON CRIME.
Why surrender your guns? I don't understand. Just like in Connecticut, where they stood in line to register their guns! There has to be a line drawn in the sand, or they will keep rolling over you and your rights!
Because if they were stupid & didn't the police would take it by force from them & jail & or fine that's why & they would probably be barred for life from ever owning a gun again, if they got put inside for 3 years or more.No private gun in Britain or in Australia is permitted, without a license.
+MarineAqua45
how about the people join together and fight to keep their rights. i would assume there was more armed people then there are police! fight now with guns, or fight later without them? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
+667Gullin
I have no idea what anatomy has to do with the argument. if we didn't have our God given right of self preservation, that's confirmed by our Bill of Rights we would be under complete tyranny, instead of soft tyranny
+667Gullin
you may not know if there is a God or not, but I doubt that you don't believe in God.
if we was under complete tyranny, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
why get a license? the anti gun crowd will not quit until we are completely unarmed.
Jesus Christ, you paranoid fuck. No one is trying to fuck with your way of life nor your rights. The republicans aka the right, literally gave away *ALL* American citizens rights and privacy through the nsa and internet surveillance and wiretapping and phone surveillance laws, and loopholes around warrants and persecution the US government has passed,.
If I sound paranoid, at least I'm worried about something that *ACTUALLY and ALREADY* happened. Whereas the right is paranoid over something that hasnt happened, losing their rights. No one is attempting to take them for you. The left and right are both united and benefit from their rights and liberties, together.
But no one *needs* assault rifles and automatic weapons. The constitution was written when they did not exist and the weapons then shot slower than a God damn turtle fucking.
I remember when this happened and it was a crime against not only the citizens of Great Britain but also a crime against the world.
Come on uk! Fight for your God given rights!
***** What crap this is. Who wants to have a weekly massacre in a school, workplace or movie theatre, only US idiots.
Hiram Hackenbacker
who wants to have 9000+ gun murders a year, who wants to have every pathetic thug has a handgun, who wants to have that loud drunk twat at the pub causing a scene have a handgun?
None of that would happen if more good citizens conceal carried a firearm to protect themselves and other people.
boblobjok
it doesn't happen in countries with strict gun laws and no carry rights.
it does happen in america, with more guns than people, very relaxed gun laws and lots of concealed carry permit holders.
its only americans who can look at that these two facts and automatically claim that more guns will solve the issue...
boblobjok Yeah we can all walk around like the wild west and kids should have their own weapons at school. that would make things safer. How about we all drive tanks that would make it safer still according to your deluded logic.
What many people are unaware of is that the NRA has equivocated previously in my own lifetime. In 1968, then President LBJ among the last things which he did before leaving office was to sign into law the Firearms Control Act of 1968 and the NRA had a "place-at-the-table" then making suggestions and rendering opinions as if our Second Amendment Rights were a bargaining chip to negotiate with the Federal Government about. This was where the BATF came from. This is where the NRA let us all down and it has done it before this back in the 1930's and '40's. I belong to Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. This historical inconsistency about NRA was what made me switch to an organization which reflected my values as a Gun Owner.
How incredibly obtuse their liberal gun control people are! Criminals will always have access to guns, they don't abide by any known rule of law! DUH!
Of the people and By the People!!!!! NOT OF THE FEW BUT BY THE MANY!!!!
So Sad the many didn't stand against the few.😥.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall. May GOD Bless America,🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Great video! I hope the Americans get the message and fight for their right to bear firearms.
“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” - George Orwell
We almost have this in the US, right now. Just look at California.
Benjamin Schroeder don’t comply
Move! Run away from the Left Coast!
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@@tyree9055 not the entire left coast, Florida got rid of firearms restrictions
@@workingjoe5599 How 'bout Georgia? It used to be you could openly (?) carry from Virginia to Florida, but not in GA.
Once I-95 reaches D.C. and places north, you're just f'ed and have to follow the Federal guidelines to travel with a firearm through "safe zone central." 🙄
Gun rights must have looked real good to both the unarmed police officers and the innocent bystanders who helplessly watched while two crazy Muslims nearly decapitated that poor British soldier on the street while waiting for the armed police unit. (Rolling eyes)
Well no, The decapitated the man, then ran at the police, who shot both of them. The police on the scene having very inaccurate pistols wouldn't have changed a thing. Except probably killed them,
Keeping the guns must look real good to the us whilst they watched their children slaughter by one man with an assault rifle. Not forgetting all of the others. Yeh guns did you a HUGE favour. Over 30 children dead. I think 30+ kids to 1 man is on another level. R.I.P lee rigby. And all the victems of mass shootings.
Never register - Never.
Liberty once gone is gone forever. 😢
If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Amen!
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Pro Gun is pro responsibility, pro private ownership, pro liberty...
Bet the royal family kept all of their guns.
They gave up their freedom, so they deserve nothing,
Mate we can still do everything you Americans can. The majority of people here just don’t like guns the same as Americans
JamesH17
That doesn’t mean the government should make the decision for us by enacting it into law.
did you guys have the Cumbria shootings about 2 years ago?
The united states should help the great people of england have their firearms back into their hands. I will put Mich effort and word around to see this happen
Dentures Ventures In the united states we have the NRA and its been a great organization fighting to keep our rights. I understand your feeling of lack of security to protect yourself and family I know how strictly england has become. If it comes to you having to leave england to become a U.S citizen I would. We have a very strong nation of gun owners and millions of us are willing to fight and die to keep them. If were you I would try to inform people about an organization or look for one and spread the message get as many people as possible to join and make donations for the organization. Just like our NRA they use our money to make cases at courts all over the nation and they have given us great firearm freedoms we have what you call concealed carry for handguns and its a permit to carry a concealed handgun. And we have open carry which does not require a permit at all. You have to take it to the politicians and let them know you will not vote for them NRA has their website of politicians with grades on gun laws they rate them from A to F and F mean failed no good to vote for them and it has put the fear of god in our politicians because they know if you have a bad reputation with the NRA grade approval they know the people will not vote for them and I think that would be a first step for England because I know by this point in their hearts they want a feeling of security
***** a bat won't do much good when you got a mob of 100 to 500 people or even thousand yeah why do you think the riots don't happen in the U.S where guns are in every hand of a citizen because they know they will get their ass shot so they behave
667Gullin You're an idiot. It's that simple. That tells me that you're a fornicator too, because sexual sin invites demonic oppression and self-deception.
+Dustin Cochrane It would be better if the NRA gives British gun rights supporters advice on how to form a British version of the NRA and let the British citizens fight their own battle for gun rights.
Gunfags are so pathetic. Cowardly dunces trying to tell real people in civilisation how to live. Ridiculous.
They've failed to interview any Australians with a healthy complement of chromosomes
Several years ago, I conversed with an Great Britain citizen, on line, about the state of the world. To make a long story short, he (or she) made a condemning retort about how much better Great Britain was vs the USA CAUSE GB had banned guns. I re-educated that person of the Lend Lease Doctrine. That the US rearmed the UK in their fight against Nazi Germany. This was because GB had banned firearms to be held the common citizen. That person's reply was that the Lend Lease Doctrine was unnecessary I countered that Churchill begged the USA for weapons support. That person had no idea what I was talking about. Once again, the uninformed, are victims not of their own history, but the trivial BS shoveled by political correctness. Durring our internet conversation, I finally advised her that guns were illegal in GB cause, an armed citizenry was a threat to The Crown. That an armed citizenry could rise up & demand change. That person then went off line.
+Gee Bee You should contact that person and apologise to them for your pathetic dumb lies. You stupid gullible types are a fucking curse. Propaganda isn't factual you mindless dupe.
+Michael Bond They're a nation of fucking morons. They get pre programmed with horseshit when they're in elementary and the dumb incurious bastards never bother figuring out the truth. The fucking nonsense they get taught instead of history would make Goebbels blush.
+Michael Bond For a bunch who claim to not trust the gubmint they have no problem accepting everything they're told in the gubmint history books. A history both republicans and democrats agree is true, so it must be true then.
+Michael Bond A) They have no clue because they just don't have enough fingers to count that high. and B) Indoctrination. The commies are going to nuke everyone worked for years and years, then the budget started to decline but now it's higher than it ever was. They abandoned NORAD and now they're moving back in. 26,000 is the number of PR consultants the Pentagon has on the payroll and they only work inside the US.
+Michael Bond They think they are an empire and they're going to conquer the world so you have to have a big military. They never stop to wonder why they are the only country still playing that game. Empire went the same way as dreadnoughts. The purpose of empire is to get raw materials from and produce value added finished goods for the colonies. The Chinese have that without bothering with a ridiculously expensive military and colonial administration. The last days of the US is copying the last days of Rome. A decadent lazy population and a huge budget for mercenaries draining the treasury.
strange how quiet you get when presented with facts
I know Brits don't want to hear this, but I fail to see the logic behind the gun ban. Even before the ban, the uk had some of the worlds strictest regulations on guns, it would be impossible for a criminal to legally aquire guns.
What about a criminal who hadn't been caught. Also why would a criminal buy it legaly. Your comment was stupid and not thought through. Impossible my arse!
4 eyed Killer He said it was impossible to buy it legally, you then say the could buy it illegally and so it's not impossible and so Panoramic is stupid?! Strange logic you are using there.
And his point is valid. The gun ban effected certain types of weapons legally held by licenced shooting club members. The fact this would only effect a TINY proportion of the UK population (despite this video suggesting otherwise) of responsible gun owners was the very defence used to try and stop the regulation.
So why did the regulation go through?
Because one of those licence gun club members had just gone on a rampage through a school killing sixteen children and one teacher.
+Mike Breen yes but Thomas Hamiltons mental state & his obsession with control over boys was questionable years before the massacre happened & he got his licence renewed because his friend was the Assistant chief constable. Anywhere else he would have been banned. Two of Hamiltons guns were illegal. There's more to this than what meets the eye. Most people in his club thought of him as a weirdo & complained about him to the police & even the police themselves made complaints to their superiors, with one constable referring to him as ' a fuckin nutter'& CID was investigating him. Someone's covered up something. With this amount of complaints it should have given the police good grounds to seize his guns, but they didn't & he had no reason to own over a thousand & a half rounds of ammo, as he didn't belong to a club- he got kicked out several.If he got kicked out, the club would have told the police & nothing happened.
MarineAqua45 Your right of course. Hamilton should never have had his licence and what should have happened is some heads should have rolled for allowing the bloody weirdo to keep his licence and his guns. The system should have been tightened up and made to work as it should have been. That's what should have happened in 1997.
The banning of one type of gun from the remaining licence holders achieved nothing other than some brownie points for politicians. If someone fancies going on a shooting spree today, he can. The US gun nuts who run around proclaiming that the gun ban increased crime or did not work are completely full of shit, frankly. The ban did what it was intended to do. If other people thought it was meant to achieve something g else that it never could, that's their problem.
Please NRA come help us in England.
MOLON LABE!!!!!!!!
A pro-gunner from the UK? Glad to have you on board.
America you have to fight don't give up like we did in the u.k otherwise we're all fucked.God bless you & NEVER GIVE UP
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement and I hope you guys can somehow overturn that gun control and get your guns back. If I ever become president, we'll invade and free you guys from that oppressive communistic regime.
jimmy johnson i fear its too late for us, no going back now they just keep taking our rights away bit by bit & all the sheeple think the gov will watch out for them ha ha it would be laughable if it were'nt a matter of life & death thats why it is very important that you stand together, watch out for the false flag thats needed for their next step but the power is with you all if you stick together & fight them every step of the way as they try to limit your ammo,take certain calibre guns each 1 another step towards disarmement, please america do what we could'nt or would'nt & maybe we might yet get to fire a gun with out it being a criminal offense,its funny as the criminals are the only 1's it seems with the right to bear arms now bs, i pray for you all & never take a backward step,stick together & don't be bs'd by gov puppets who don't give a shit about us the peasants/slaves but the american people can & will affect change.GOD BLESS YOU AMERICA
Alan West Did your gun control keep the criminals from getting guns? There's more illegal guns in the UK than ever before. All it did was restrict guns from the law abiding people or the good people. Now you have a society where guns are controlled by the bad guys on the street and the bad guys in government.
wayne wilson Correct.
Alan West This is about us the people against all the hypocritical corpgov puppets with their do as i say not as i do mentality whether it be in the guise of limiting ammo,calibre's all they want is to disarm us, we'll be easier to handle, all the while blowing 7 shades of shit out of people over a barrel of oil,killing over 3000 people (own people 911) & numerous other slaughters then got the cheek to want your guns!! wtf you need them to protect against depopulation .The police in london are in the process of trying to buy watercannon to help with civil disorder such as protests against themselves i.e the gov,banks,etc as the peasants get restless so lets not be divided we the people have the power if we stick together & learn from each other & never be divided knowledge=power
OK, which one of you recognized Jan Stevenson - Editor of "Handgunner" and writer extraordinaire?
For people saying UK citizens are being oppressed, the cops here don't carry guns either. Last year we had just 1 police shooting, and the year before that none at all.
***** The murder rate in America is roughly 4 times higher than in Britain.
***** Those statistics have been debunked a million times. The confusion is due to the fact that the legal definition of "violent crime" is wildly different in each country. In the U.S, it refers to four specific crimes: "murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault". The UK definition covers all "crimes against the person". This includes "assault without injury, harassment, causing public fear, alarm, or distress" and numerous other minor offenses. Those are the official FBI and Home Office definitions. Do you really think it makes sense that America would have a far higher murder rate, and yet be a much less violent society?
***** PS The murder rate statistic takes into account the different population sizes. The UK has a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000. The US has a murder rate of 4.8 per 100,000.
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UNITED KINGDOM CASE STUDY
“Most violent country in EU”
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2,034 VIOLENT CRIMES
PER 100,000 PEOPLE IN UK
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466 VIOLENT CRIMES
PER 100,000 PEOPLE IN USA
In the decade following the Labor party's election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in '07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!
***** I'm getting so bored of debunking that misleading statistic. The title "Most violent country in EU" and the statistics you cite come from a British tabloid newspaper (the Daily Mail), not any official source.
The US FBI definition of "violent crime" is: "murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault."
The UK Home Office definition is: "Violent crimes are those where the victim is intentionally stabbed, punched, kicked, pushed, jostled, etc. or threatened with violence whether or not there is any injury."
Clearly these statistics refer to different categories of crimes.
Furthermore, the murder rate in the US is 4 times higher than in the UK (4.8 per 100,000 per year, vs 1.2 per 100,000 per year). You can see a full comparison of specific violent crimes like murder and rape in the US and UK here: rayrayallday.com/2013/01/11/the-difference-between-us-uk-violent-crime-rates-depends-on-definition-of-violent-crime/
Every time I hear a gun rights activist trotting out these false statistics about the UK, I loose a little more respect for the movement.
Church of England now calling for a ban on pointy knives. Subjects of the queen.
two things to note:
1. that march in the beginning was about a ban on fox hunting with hounds, it had nothing to do with guns, matter of factly rifles are still legal for hunting purposes and so are single shot pistols.
2. antique handguns and guns of "particular aesthetic interest" such engraved or enjeweled guns were not forced to be handed over and were allowed to be kept by their owners.
I want to see what happens if they pull something like that in Switzerland.
Yes,I certainly am & thanks for the comment.Im enjoying whats left of shooting sports in the UK.
Many of the people interviewed are Australian not British, the majority in Britain wanted the firearm laws tightened, isn’t that democracy in action?
I work 6 days a week behind the counter at a convenient store. 2 years ago, I also had a burglar in my garage with a knife. Don't tell me we don't have a problem with armed criminals. When I spotted him, I went for the biggest scariest gun, closest to me. Instead of the burglar stabbing me, he fell to the ground, crying, begging for his life, before he took off running when the cops were showing up. Now, him and all his buddies now know to stay away from my home, or get shot.
Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances - from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. - where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.
I recently got a job offer to work at a silencer manufacturer in Great Britain. I turned it down, but I'm having second thoughts now.
spot on ...Americans ..hang on to your guns . . . .You really dont want to see Britain now !!!
And I bet they didn’t pay you shit they just took them from you and you let them
1:07 "The day you hand your guns in that means the country is no good to live in any more"
I see a lot of agitated Brits leave comments on threads like this one accusing the NRA of lies and deception. They lament "oi, those demonstrations didnt happen in 1997" as if that is the premise of the vid. The title lays it out perfectly clear, this vid highlights the events that happened to British folks when their society became conditioned over the years to accept limits on their ability to own firearms and thus became apathetic about their rights. The ground work for changing the paradigm regarding British gun ownership began in the 1920's in small steps that progressed in increments throughout the 1900's, not in 1997 when it was practically over, which is why by '97 there was nothing left but apathy and a willing public. Gun control doesnt work, it only changes the method of the carnage, and conditions the public to want more of it as a solution when it doesnt stop the next horrific event ...like those 5 people stabbed last week.
To be clear, armed resistance is the most effective means of stopping a violent criminal. Unarmed resistance generally goes badly because the violent criminal arrived armed and ready to inflict harm.
The best defense is an armed defense. That's why our politicians surround themselves with military-grade firearms.
In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
I personally believe the manner in which you obtain firearms is more significant than the kind of firearms you own. Obtaining a firearms license, as we do in the UK is the best way to ensure that only people who are safe to own weapons, own them. As such you should have to "earn" the "right" to own firearms but should not be restricted in which firearms you own. It's like driving a car, you wouldn't trust someone without a license driving on their own.
Support the Libertarian Party, we are pro-gun and never restrict a person owning a gun. Right to self-defense should be a human right.
Gun licensing and gun registration leads to gun confiscation, which leads to disarmament of law-abiding citizens. This happened in the UK and in Australia.
How can you a supposed UK citizen call an American President a traitor? To whom certainly not the British
Surrender? Like voluntarily? HAHAHAHAHA! You're Hysterical XD
I live in the UK and our firearm laws are fine, thankyou. My father owns several shotguns which he applied for legally and goes out hunting with his mates on a weekend. None of them complain about it and agree the laws are a good thing because they respect firearms as a privilege, not a right. Meanwhile we just don't have gun homicides for the most part - only 41 actual gun homicides in the whole country last year. Using us as an example of gun laws failing is basically pissing in the wind.
Considering that today a British solder got his head cut off by two crazies while both unarmed civilains and unarmed British cops watched helplessly and waited several minutes for a specialized armed police unit to come to the rescue, Great Britain is definitely a gun-safe utopia.
An FBI background check takes a few minutes but since I have a concealed license that only took 30 days to get,I can just walk into a store and buy a gun.
I don't have to join a club,wait several months and see if they like me along with a background check. See,we have a constitutional right to bear arms,you do not.
I read somewhere that the UK gun crime rates are basically the lowest in the world,which is a reason why i think the regulations are getting out of hand.
The problem here is that you complied with this irrational and amoral legislation. No one should have turned their guns in, what would the government do? whine about no one complying with the law?
Monash was two killed, five wounded, which technically doesn't count as a mass shooting. It's absurd to think that ridding a society of guns won't reduce gun crime.
7:44 Mr Yardley. In the days when Mike was on the side of fighting the pistol ban & not being for it.
actually, according to the new york times, in 7 percent of robberies, the victim resisted, but those accounted for 51 percent of victim deaths.
You also trust your neighbors to not come at you with a knife or a bat, not buy fertilizer and make bombs, not soak your house with gasoline and set it on fire, not run over your children or not use common household products that are precursors to explosives.
A gun is no different.
All I know is that if at least one of those British bystanders had both a concealed weapons license and a firearm, that British solder would have been saved.
We dont have an amendment saying we have the right to keep and drive cars, we do have an amendment saying we have the right to keep and bear arms. Owning a gun is a right, owning a car is a privledge, two completely different things.
Such a far right expression is not a way to argue a position.
I also wanted to say we have always felt that with everyone being armed it acts as a deterrent from criminals and anyone who would use a gun in such an illegal way. Now while not having guns available to the public would seem like a viable solution to gun violence others have proven countless times this is not the case. There is such a long history and pattern of governments disarming its citizens and committing mass genocide it is staggering. So that is why the US people like to remain armed
"gun crime in the uk has gone down since the bans!"
That's a very misleading statistic, because the homicide rate itself actually peaked years AFTER, and violent crime has also increased. In other words, the UK's gun ban merely changed the methods of violence used; it did nothing to decrease murder or violence in general.
Britain was never invaded by the nazis, and the fact that ordinary English people were disarmed does not mean we had a huge stockpile of weapons for our soldiers who had to do the actual fighting. If British civilians were allowed guns in WW2 crime would have been rampant with people trying to steal extra food or simply because there wasn't anyone left to keep order.
This movement was actually started when the government wanted to ban fox hunting. The UK did not have permits to carry guns in recent momory.
Any country that does NOT allow the citizenship to own firearms is NOT by definition a free Country.
I'm a Brit and anybody can legally get a gun here IF they're squeaky-clean with no police record. First you have to join an approved gun club and use their guns on their range for a probationary period of several months.
Then you apply to the police for a Firearms Certificate, they'll do background checks on you and ask the gun club what they think of you, and if you check out okay they'll grant you a certificate and you can go buy a gun..:)
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You might not have seen a gun, but they are everywhere in London. The metropolitan police confiscate between 200-400 guns per month. The reason why gun crime is low in Britain, is because traditionally we don't use guns to sort our problems. Gun crime was almost non-existent even before the first gun control laws passed in 1920. America has gun problems because of Americans, Canada has high gun ownership but far lesser gun problems because of the culture there.
"A well regulated militia, being a NECESSITY to the SECURITY of a FREE state, the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed!", "DUMP THE TEA INTO THE SEA!"
The FBI defines violent crime as : Murder & non-negligant manslaughter, forcible rape or robbery, & aggravated assault.
The British Home Office has a much wider definition that includes ALL "crimes against the person," including simple assaults, all robberies, & all "sexual offences".
Coincidentally, the 2011/12 England & Wales crime stats were released yesterday, showing that the number of violent incidents had halved from their peak in 1995, & all reported crime down 8% from 2011 to 2012.
And most of those guns floating around will be hidden, refused to turn in, or claimed "lost" to the police. At least 1/4 of guns in the U.S. are unregistered anyway, so the police won't even know if someone's keeping their guns after they're banned.
We don't let you torture others either.
They ban AR-15's here in the US... they better have $1,400 in US to give me as compensation. I don't outright allow someone to take my personal possession without a fight, or equal money compensation.
tackling the root issue is important, that doesn't mean that you should still continue to allow people easy access to weapons and increased lethality.
if you have a problem with your car where the breaks dont work, its not a valid response to keep driving it untill you figure out whats stopping the breaks from working. you tackle the immediate problem(the breaks not working/massive gun crime) and then sort out the underlying cause.
Have you heard of a bolt-action rifle? Heard of a Lee Enfield .303 & a Steyr SSG69? Both are bolt-actions, both are legal in OZ & in the UK & one is a sniper rifle & both could be used by a crazy sniper, like Scorpio out of Dirty Harry.Results,the '96 ban hasn't changed anything. Killers use whatever they prefer to use. Cumbrian killer Derek Bird used an old double-barrelled shotgun & a .22 rifle, because,thats what he prefered. This my friend is the truth of the matter.
>actually it is
Not to the other European countries that measure the violent crime rates in a similar fashion with lower crime rates (and that still have better gun laws)
>violent crime has fallen 47% since 1995(our handgun ban was in 1997)
And murders have been dropping in the US in the last 20 years too. It's not a localized phenomenon.
However, there were 5,209 gun crimes in 1998/99, and 9,865 in 2008, despite the drop in violent crime.
small list of crimes recorded as violent in England but not violent in america:
-all forms of sexual assault other than rape.
-attempted murder.
-harassment
-conspiracy to murder
-possession of a weapon or dangerous substance
-causing public fear
-endangerment
-possession of an item to endanger life
-pushing or shoving
the list goes on, its not simply renaming, we record more offences as violent, its not very hard to understand.
30 seconds is average for crossbows reload. Ban proposals are in regard to weapons that represent overkill. I've seen no demands for banning all guns since 1970's.
Its also fair to say that the "body count" in the U.K has never been comparable to the U.S guns or no guns.
Researchers such as John Lott have proven that the U.K's gun crime was lower pre-ban and was and is higher post ban.
There is only one reason for registration of firearms, that being the eventual confiscation of those registered weapons.
Don´t they have the principle of no retroactively of law in England? (forgive my bad English)
@Thomas Owen: Although I am American, and I do care about the 2nd Amendment, and I'm a member of the NRA, in good standing, I also understand your point. I too saw the inclusion of the weapons confiscation in Australia when the article started in Great Britain and was titled "Great Britain. There was no transition at all, with any commentary on Australia. I agree with you. Continued, next post.
actually i can apreciate the gun owner side of the argument, atleast slightly, as i used to do target shooting in the UK with rifles. i understand it as a sport and i understand it for hunting, but thats where it ends. obviously a gun can be used for self defence, i simply think that a better way to protect yourself from people likely to harm you is to not arm them with lethal weapons.
in essence, in no situation are my chances of survival improved by other people having firearms.
"Britain disarmed their Good Guys"
Correction; Britain disarmed the bad guys, good guys dont use guns unless they are forced to.
Tell my 60 year old grandmother that lives alone to tase a thug and wrestle with the other one. It ain't happening, that's why she has a pistol.
I live in the UK and I can tell you that people angry about gun laws aren't the majority and haven't been mistreated, they're just delusional and loud
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This video is ancient. How many people are complaining about gun laws in Australia now?
Sarah Everard, and the other names read out in Parliament a day ago, no guns required.........
violence is the problem and the fear of the threat of government violence was all that was needed for it to come to this.
The killer in the cumbria shootings used guns legal to own in the UK (two shotguns and a rifle i think it was) he never used any banned firearm like a handgun.
They would certainly give Piers Morgan 'a good debate' & they also don't agree with his idea of an 'Assault-Weapon ban'.The cops were from the old days of the late 60s onto the 90s,when gun crime was considerably lower than today & Gray was one of the first cops to join SO19
It isn't nearly impossible to own an Enfield rifle.It requires a Section 1 application form to be completed,returned to the forces firearms department & a review of the dwelling security,at the police forces discretion & then the license arrives in the post.Before this,a candidate must have been a probationer at a gun club,which uses Section 1 weapons for at least 6 months.Its quite easy to get,once a club member.The near impossible license is a Section 7.3 variation for classic pistols on Sec1.