Siegmeyer the Pretender | Dark Souls Lore
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- Dark Souls Lore behind the widely loved Siegmeyer, whose tale seems to unfairly conclude in an infamous sudden death. But why did his quest devolve? What are the deeper implications? And can we learn from his mistakes?
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"Think..think..think.."
A character everyone loves. Round and cuddley, with friends always ready to help. A stomach for snacks and a brain that does a lot of thinking.. It's not Winnie the Pooh, it's Siegmeyer.
"He knew it was time for something, but he was a bear of very little brain. So when he thought, he thought in the most thoughtful way he could think."-Narrator
"Haven't thought of anything have you? No neither have I. Think..think..think.." Winnie the Pooh
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Whenever I tell people to listen to *proper* Dark Souls lore, yours is always the first channel I recommend.
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Love the use of outerworlds music. ❤
Now whenever I am feeling down or hopeless, I'll look at myself in the mirror and say, "You have a +15 Zweihander."
Is it really that big? 😳 Hmu 😏🤪
@@saintofgayfrogs requires 24 strength to wield one handed
And when fully upgraded down the lightning path, it hits hard
@@aceclover758 all good o
@@aceclover758yeah, and even so, giant dads usually use chaos zweihanders
So you're saying Sieglinde does a masterful no death/no bonfire run to find her Dad while i'm falling off every ledge and chugging all the estus?
Yes she’s cooler than we are :(
And she doesn't even have a 100% physical block shield either, not to mention said shield can't be used for parrying. Sieglinde pretty much did DkS2's illusory ring challenges without that even being her end goal.
And since she's not undead, esutus doesnt heal her 🤯
Aye what a badass
@@Kevinopilous Well maybe she's got onions instead hehe
Personally, I always took it that Siegmeyer was a patient man and WAS a great warrior. But he has gotten older and perhaps his mind and skills started to fade. This was compounded by the undead curse, and he began to fade more and more.
His quest is to prove he is the man he used to be.
I think he is in the process of hollowing even by the time we meet him. He's essentially a once great adventurer with dementia, going on one last quest before he no longer can.
Excellent
And the daughter is frustrated trying to care for him while he runs away
I agree it always came off to me as a don quixote type deal
Dementia was exactly my take also, since it's no small problem in Japan. It perfectly explains the parent-child role reversal, as well as Sieglinde's frantic worry that he might be "causing trouble" somewhere.
@@ianmoore2850 perfect comparison
Also importantly: after you save him in Anor Londo and talk to him again in Firelink, he says "I'll be heading down below shortly. There wasn't anything worthwhile up above." How could such a pious and jolly knight regard the image of the goddess Gwynevere as 'nothing worthwhile'?
Because he never saw her. He gave up at ornstein and smough and turned back.
Tbh you can't blame him for that one
I mean...
I only kept fighting out of sheer hatred,so..
dude, because they were quite literally not worth the while
Because his wife and daughter are more beautiful than Gwynevrye :^)
@@alyseleem2692 same here 😂
If Seigmeyer has 1,000,000 fans I’m one of them
If Seigmeyer has 1 fan I’m them
If Seigmeyer has 0 fans I’m hollow
If the world is against Siegmeyer, I'm against the entire world
Till my last breath, I'll support Siegmeyer
Gurren Lagaan?
@@CigaretteCrayon Phenomenal show, but what's the relevance here? lol
@@jonesjones6279 whatever you said sounded very much like a reference. Not sure what it alluded to.
Love how you wrote it 3 times but still spelt it "Seigmeyer"
Having seigmeyer be summonable for the BoC fight and just get in your way would have been cruelly hilarious
Omg I love this! Haha
Lol why do I want to experience that
He would spawn in and instantly run into a hole....and it would be glorious!
Seriously though modding DS1 to have quests like DS3 and having Siegmeyer grow with each encounter with your character so he becomes stronger would be cool. You summon him in BoC and he acts as a distraction for the tentacles and once you destroy the 2nd bug he makes the leap over to the 3rd one and charges through all the brambles and one-shots it with a cleave would be awesome.
It also allows you to extend the plot by finding him and his daughter fighting in Ash Lake (as Siegmeyer is now a badass) and having the choice of who to side with (of course it would be nice to add more Sieglinde content).
Would need to find some good impersonators to record audio which would be a pain but the idea of these lore ideas becoming mods and getting mods like, The Plot Against The Gods, would be pretty cool.
It wouldn't matter much as the BoC is the second worst designed boss/boss arena in the game, with Capra Demon being the worst
@@PhatphuckMedia Nah Id take Capra demon over BoC anyday.
Him sitting at the gate waiting has strong Winnie the Pooh vibes, "Oh bother, a wall... I guess I'll sit here and think. Think, think think..."
That's a nice comparison. Better, even. It implies Siegmeyer has a sluggish temperament and a good soul, not a lack of willingness with poor character.
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I've been feeling like a Siegmeyer myself for a long while now, even though you were talking about a fictional character, what you were saying really resonated with me as a person, like you were speaking directly to me when explaining siegmeyers behaviors and mindset, and really gave me a perspective on the way I have been the past 12 months, thank you for this, I see now what I must do to pull myself out of this rut. I had no idea the answer to my issues would be in a Dark Souls lore video of all places. This was an amazing piece of work, truly.
Stranger things have happened, no?
Wherever you get your help, at least you got it
You aren't the only one bro.
Lucky you for knowing how to get out of the rut... If only I were so lucky... I suppose I'll have to think harder. No worry, I'm sure I'll think of something...
Hah hah. Hah hah hah hah.
This is a mood.
I feel the same. Did not expect this from a dark souls lore video but I'm glad. I have also been into the Siegmeyer mindset for a long time. Maybe is time to act.
Someone HAS to make a mod where you can summon Siegmeyer as a phantom and then he just sits there in front of the fog gate and waits for you to beat the boss alone
And every time you die you get a "hmmmmm"
So you basically double the HP of the boss for nothing.
@@tobiaskadachi
This mechanic was introduced in Dask Souls 2, bosses keep their normal health when you summon in DS1
@@arealhumanbean3058 I didn't know. I don't summon npcs in Ds1 cause you can get so OP early game.
He stands for a minute studying their attacks, gets ready to charge in and either instantly eats every attack or unluckily gets dropped into a pit and fades
I always saw Siegmyer as the guy who aspired to be more than he could handle. He seemed to be that guy who spends his life savings to try and fulfill his dream, even when his family tries to tell him it isn't realistic, but he just doesn't have the capability to make it come true. He seemed a good man who's head was in the clouds, ignoring how his choices have hurt those around him.
That "peaked in high school" bro, who is hard working, but keeps trying to peddle MLM schemes, or borrow money to start overly ambitious businesses he has no experience in.
I think he had grand aspirations and would tell his daughter stories of adventuring. So as she grew she became an adventurer, and that overshadows her father's stories. So he felt he needed to prove he was an adventurer as he didn't want his daughter to view him as less than her. She knows he feels this way, which is why she so desperately wants us to get him to stop. Because she knows he isn't as capable as her, but she still adores him anyways.
@@jinxx8456 I mean siegmeyer definitely isn’t as skilled as his daughter but he is definitely strong and is able to persevere and topple foes after a lot of planning. I mean he wields the zweihander after all.
Well, turns out you were wrong
@@mr.pompodill1485 Bros will watch one video then be like this.
Great video. His choice to create his own obstacles is his most defining trait, behind his own warmth. The conspiracy behind the gods subplot is so unfinished a thought that I tend to not apply it to much of anything. In my mind, they end up in Ash Lake because this is a place his daughter knew there was a bonfire but no one for her father to harm - it's the one place that she could safely kill her father over and over again as his body reformed to ensure that his hollowing would complete safely and as rapidly as possible while endangering no one. Siegmeyer was a flawed by likeable person; his daughter may be the biggest badass in the series.
Wow. Over the course of this video, she has totally become my favorite character. A dedicated, intelligent, professional woman, and she isn't even undead! She's amazing!
Oh hi eli. Fancy seeing you here.
Make a dark souls 3 lp already
There isn't any plot unfinished in Dark Souls and Sieglinde is a piece of shit and I kill her everytime I see her. What trouble could Siegmeyer be sleeping standing up for centuries like a log somewhere. The only thing that makes sense is that he's a deserter and it's her duty as a family member to end him. A knight takes a oath to the crown so wtf is he doing in Lordran having his own adventures instead of in Catarina serving his country. What a selfish asshole I'm glad she kills that jackass.
@@johnsmith-xw7hv bait
When you say siegmire never gives help you are 100 percent wrong, he fights in the lost eizeleth against those beasts and tells you to run away as he’s fighting them.
I always saw myself as Siegmeyer. I've always felt like a bit of an adventurer but especially with where I am and with how life has been lately, I never noticed that I've been acting like Siegmeyer. Waiting for life to work itself out while doing nothing. This video is an honest wakeup call. Thank you.
I feel the same
Mee too. Quiete revealing.
I think it's really interesting that this video is a wakeup call for so many people. I love these games, truly.
I agree.
Im like him allot.
But i dont know man. Feels like im in a hole and i honestly dont know how to get out.
Whatever prpblem i have i feel its just not worth solving for some reason.
I just have nothing to strive toward in life.
Im just waiting for an epiphany that will give me a goal.
It won't work... i know this, but still wont change it yet
honestly i watched this vid on shrooms this morning before online classes and i truly felt that.
Even Hawkshaw will struggle to convince me Seigmeyer has any negative character traits.
He’s that loveable oaf that bumbles his way through the land. Probably waving at the snakemen in Sens Fortress, taking selfies with the Silver Knights, making merry with gwyndolin. Ya know. The usual.
@Zanfitto There's no real lore theorist quite like Hawkshaw. However there are some truly great ones, such as Mitch L, who really comes close to Hawkshaw.
@@kaspersaldell Vaati is overrated
@@AC-hj9tv Yes, absolutely
i think everyone likes Siegmeyer for more than just his charm, though i can only speak for myself. we like his personality, his speech, but perhaps we also resonate with "being in a pickle" and telling ourselves that "we'll think of something, you'll see!"
our goals are blurry, solutions to our problems are half-cocked, our present is waiting for solutions and opportunities to come to us, our futures are more of the same unless someone knocks us out of it or we change ourselves in some way.
waiting for something that has no guarantee of arriving is no way to solve problems or live.
for this video, this knight of the internet thanks you sincerely.
wow the juxtaposition between Siegmeyer's top of the line kit and Solaire's home made kit and how they use them is so stark and it never occurred to me before
His own daughter killed him with a bastard sword....that's irony
I can't believe my onion guy got CUCKED.
Oh god... that could have some interesting connotations.
Damn that's interesting, goes with the theory Siegward was romantically involved with a fellow plotter (against the gods). She was without her husband for a while was she not?
Is there anyone, anyone at all, who can resist Siegmeyer's charm...?
Just over a week until Elden Ring!!
I love how they just replaced him with Pot Boi xD
Hmmmm .... HMMMM ....
No there isn't.
can't we have discord server ?
@@crony8325 The link is in the description! Should make it more known somehow
i never liked the guy, never understood why people liked him, calling him "onion bro", the only thing i respect is his optimism as an adventurer who doesn't let things get to him no matter what situation hes in to where hes bound to get out of the most challenging cases on his own.
Seiglend's voice actress has such a wonderful tone to her voice. So caring and authentic.
An excellent analysis of my favorite Dark Souls character, though I will say one thing about his death at Sieglinde's hands: while the plot against the gods certainly sounds feasible when you put it as you have, I think the much more simpler, obvious possibility is the real truth: Siegmeyer's "final" adventure is because after having been saved by you in Izalith, he's had his epiphany. He is undead, his time is limited, as hollowing comes for all eventually. He's made amends with Sieglinde, and so he sets off, not expecting to be seen again.
Sieglinde's words at his death are those of a mourning daughter. The "trouble" he caused was his needs for assistance from the player character. The reason it's over, is because he has gone hollow, and has been put to rest. This chapter in the book of Sieglinde's life has been completed. She came to Lordran for her father, and with him gone, she has nothing to stay for. She is not undead. She can't link the Fire. She returns to the world of the living, to her home, to live the rest of her life.
As for how or why Siegmeyer goes hollow, I certainly don't think it is because Sieglinde killed him over and over again until he went mad. Such a fate I think is too cruelly out of character for Sieglinde. I think it just came with being his "final adventure". You gave him his epiphany, but he still had no direction. He sets out aimlessly, and wanders to the farthest reaches of the world. Ash Lake is not easy to reach, it is an exhausting journey. He in all likelyhood laid here to rest, as he often did, only to never awake again as himself.
she called it his final adventure because she knew that getting to ash lake would be both a great feat and a moment of closure with his family, and finding those two things he's been seeking would remove what little purpose he had left. she didnt stop him and only put him out of his misery after he hollowed because it was inevitable for him to end up like that, and quite frankly it's a better fate than if he had hollowed waiting for a damn gate to open
why would he go hollow from getting exhausted, hollowing doesn't come the same death does to an old man on his last hike. if adventuring is his life then how would an adventure to a mystical underground lake make him lose his purpose???
@@nosopeingnarwhal5573 you’re reading what I said too literally. I just mean to say that with closure given to Siegmeyer by his daughter, all he has left in himself is aimless adventure. The aimlessness could be what brings him to Ash Lake, and what causes him to eventually hollow, because he no longer has reason to thrill seek. Hollowing is a state of mind after all.
@@nosopeingnarwhal5573 because despite him seeming like he's a wandering adventurer just doing whatever, siegmeyer likely _did_ have a life goal, in that he wanted to achieve a great adventuring feat and find his family. by getting to ash lake, he saw both of those things through, and consequently had nothing else to live for
I genuinely believe that Siegward and Siegmeyer are narcoleptics, which is cool because it's played for laughs and doesn't get explicitly mentioned (it would probably be viewed more like a curse than a disease) - it makes their accomplishments in climbing and combat feel more epic, knowing they have to deal with chronic fatigue and tiredness.
Many narcoleptics try to manage the illness by taking frequent naps.
Edit: Just watched through to the end, this might be your best video yet - the theory makes perfect sense.
I viewed his frequent naps and lapses of attention as nearly going hollow.
Hollows always seem to be very relaxed when left alone and they don't seem to get attacked by other enemies.
What is narcoleptic?
@@Eric-py8yy he might have to sleep really hard suddenly during the day, and might not be able to move after waking up
@@Eric-py8yy
Google is your friend.
Or maybe Siegmeyer is just old?
You mean to say Onion bro isnt the best bro? HERESY.
Sun bro clearly outbros him
@@johnmccormack8957 both are equally magnificent
@@johnmccormack8957 sun bro is more like best man
@@Insky_ Solaire is more luminescent. For he finds his own sun
@@protoaltus it makes him mentally sunstable
I would like to oppose this characterization with a few facts and theories of mine:
First things first, Siegmayer has the Catarina armor, an armor set only given to knights in Catarina who have proven themselves in the battlefield. Would a man, who is just indecisive and actually does nothing himself, ever get such meritorious deed worthy of being bestowed this armor? Doubtfull.
Also, his comment of his head spinning is actually pretty valid. Remember his armor is a giant metal ball. Even if you ignore the fact he could easily dislocate or outright shatter his neck while rolling with that kind of helmet on, just being disoriented while wearing a helmet that blocks 80% of his vision in a literal death house full of traps and enemies is a death sentence. And removing the armor in a dangerous place such as this is a bad idea. Would you tell soldiers deployed in Afghanistan to remove their helmet or bulletproof vest to run faster in enemy territory?
As for Anor Londo... Siegmayer is supposed to have scaled in throught window that is open right behind him. So he didn't clear *any* knight to get there, so he cannot just backtrack throught the window and both the stairs and the room are blocked by enemies. No way back, and it's dangerous to go forth because he has no idea of 'how' strong the knights are, just that they 'are' strong.
The bit about Siegmayer not helping you back is also false. He gives you the little being's ring, which you can otherwise only get as a starting gift, and a unique offensive miracle. He does repay you, just not physically. Do bodyguards expect their payment to be their clients to stand up to physically protect them in return?
As for Sieglind, while Siegmayer seems to love her, and she does so too, she already killed her father once. We do not know the circumstances behind that, but Siegmayer clearly doesn't hold a grudge. But, as you said, Siegmayer wasn't there when his wife died. Why? That fact is so simple, and you mention it a couple of times in your video without realizing it and making the connection: Siegmayer... is an *undead*. What is ghe treatment of undead in that world? Shoved in an asylum until they rot. Wouldn't that explain why Siegmayer, a recognized knight of Catarina, is free to roam away from his country and yet missed his wife's death? Because he had to leave. And his daughter is probably burdened by the fact that her father, once a recognized knight of Catarina is running around as another undead, looking for trouble and adventure and "causing trouble". That aggro dialogue of Sieglind shlws she has sone hate for the undead, especially those who lose their mind.
Finally, Siegmayer isn't a coward, someone who uses others for his own advantage and doesn't repay them. And he proves that by willingly casting himself on a pit of dangerous monsters to help us go past them, throwing away what little is left of his life and his mind on the wind in order to repay the kindness we have shown him. This also goes against what you said about Siegmayer lying about the moss. Remember, it takes one poison moss to get to Quelaag's lair from his spot, and one to get to the wheel elevator.... or to the Ash Lake. I really don't know why you didn't mention him willingly *trying* to return the favour of you killing the knights in Anor Londo by being the one to step up this time, knowing that he would die. But that *is* a huge oversight.
In the end Siegmayer was a jolly, happy go lucky knight who wanted to go adventuring once his life as a knight and as a human ended, but he found himself being overpowered by the reality and actual logistics of said adventuring. Not a delusional manipulator, nor some fool who was slaughtered by some terrorist/rebel wannabe daughter because he wouldn't be able to keep a secret. Which makes little sense, as it would actually be better for Sieglind to not tell him anything, which would have kept Ash Lake and Siegmayer apart.
All these videos read way too much into the characters and stretch to ascribe aspects to them that I don't think exist, I think the Dark Souls characters are honestly quite straightforward and simple, and were always intended to be.
I've watched a few of these videos and I find it hard to pay them any credence, I think people just love "the dark secrets behind your favourite characters 😳😳🤪😢" shit despite the fact it's generally reaching.
Well knight generally don't have to think, just hit things their leige tells them to hit, which he has the stats for.
@@thediethrower1803 Which even more proves that he is someone that *does* things and that he would be genuinely stuck in a case he had to think what he should do if he really was just dumb.
@@thediethrower1803 even tho i know your joking about the game. but it kinda makes me sad how many ppl don't realize the insane shit a person had to do to be a medieval knight. almost 7 years of school and arms training while being a squire (slave from dusk till dawn, basically). u even have to learn how to speak to a lady and all that crazy old english shit. u could be put to death on a whim, if u disrespect royalty, by fucking up a title or something similar. all that to be a bottom tier knight. i was shocked reading about it. waaaaaay worse than current spec ops training. at least when i was enlisted in 2002-2006.
@@bluegum6438 some of them seem like really well thought out deep analysis that makes sense like the ash lake video but then others feel like complete stretches that don’t work. It’s seems like an attempt to deeply analysis everything when only certain aspects can be analyzed in such a way.
Wtf man why did a video about Onion Bro end up so relatable and emotional for me, we’ve all known what it’s like to stand outside life’s gate and tell ourself we’re doing our best while we idle and wait for better things to come along, not realising these things are fleeting if we don’t grab them ourselves. Beautiful video man
I once had the exact mentality and it was this game series that allowed me to overcome that. His story also tells me that if you stick around long enough you will find something that will give you the courage to put you life one the line. And often it is the influence of a "hero" who showed you that it is possible.
It's a surprisingly common mentality among the Souls playerbase itself (just wait around and summon other people to do everything for you), which also results in a noticeable chunk of said playerbase faltering super hard when they can't do that. There's a massive difference between them and the players who actually do everything themselves and are brave enough to take risks while making calculations on the fly regarding how to bypass certain hurdles. And you always know who is in which of these categories if you either co-op or invade just with a few moments of watching how the host behaves (cower away or boldly participate in the front line). And Siegmeyer shows that those waiters aren't really bad people, but just have let their fear of losing take over their actions in a way that's hurting themselves more so than anything else.
@@joshuakim5240 I only summon for bosses. When it comes to invaders, I just charge in and die. At least in DS1. There is no winning for me there.
Yet he still managed to become an esteemed knight of Catarina, earning his onion armour.
In the end, just like an onion, Siegmeyer has layers.
My guess is that he's heavily influenced by Don Quixote.
Chances are that he was an elderly nobleman, possibly with a knighthood, but dramatically out of practice, obsessed with stories of the chivalrous knights of Gwyn and in the shadow of heroes like his daughter.
I would guess that becoming undead reinvigorated him because of the prophecy of the chosen one linking the first flame. Learning about what happened to his wife likely completely destroys both his faith in the gods and his spirit.
my interpretation is that sieglinde knew her father well enough to figure that finding out everything that happened while he wasnt looking would be enough to make him go hollow, and thought it would be a fitting end to send him off while giving him a closure that he very much needed, despite not being able to handle it. rather than making him go hollow by killing him until he gives up, she made him go hollow by giving him the harshest reality check in the history of mankind and then took him out after he went hollow
I knew something was up when he said he was in a pickle, when clearly, he's in an onion.
What if sitting and thinking about a problem is what keeps Siegmeyer from going hollow?
He's just meditating about a solution to an obstacle and we keep coming along and solving things, so he has to move on to another; rinse, repeat, go hollow
That is in fact true. Hollowing is process of loosing oneslf. Thuse exercising the brain is a good way of preventing it.
Well, he doesn't seem to be a good thinker.
He should have started a board game club.
@@artey6671 I'd argue he is the best thinker. His conclusion is: wait for the main character to show up.
I'd say that's pretty good idea.
@@artey6671 well, if he isn’t aware of the undead prophecy, which seems difficult because the crestfallen warrior straight up tells us (with it implying our character, if they could speak that is, at least mentioned the bells of awakening) without the need to ask upon first talking to him. Maybe The crestfallen Warrior wasn’t there when Siegmeyer trekked through fire link?
Maybe he didn’t know the solution to opening Sens Fortress cuz he didn’t ask the needed questions. Or more over, didn’t talk to the right people about it.
What an amazing work. You tied a lot of things I’ve been working through internally about motivation, responsibility, fatherhood and the guilt of feeling I’m not good enough to provide for my son. You gave me a glimmer of hope that the fact that I’m thinking about it means that I am.
Sorry if this was overly serious but it literally brought me to tears when I realized zieglin most likely had to kill her father due to his ineptitude and laziness…
And you blew my mind with dark souls lore at the same time.
Thank you for all you do.
No matter how many times my dad upset me or let me down, you have no clue how lucky I feel that he is a present guiding force in my life. As long as you're there, with him, giving him the tools of your trade and stories of your day, I think your son is in good hands.
Hey stranger. Dad to dad, you're on the right path. It's scary and hard. Just step forward and do it.
Parenting forces us to change. Follow the love you have in your heart for your kid. Become the best version of yourself, and don't wait around for good stuff to happen. You got this, brother.
As a fellow new dad I've been feeling like this as well but just like in the simulations we can continue to try even when feeling hollowed
As a dad this is a constant struggle. Considering this video in light of all fat boys flaws and ineptitude in being a Knight and adventures she went on to be one hardcore little lady. If your trying to be better you are on the right path, you will never know till they have developed and become who you helped them to be. The best way to know your doing a good job is how others perceive your child, parents evening is always a good chance. If they are a joy to teach you then all is good
Siegmeyer is like those hosts who summon phantoms and have them beat the entire level for them while sitting next to the bonfire.
I feel this in a very intimate way. I just got out of a nine year relationship and it was emotionally abusive for me but there is definitely an element of me becoming attached and comfortable and lazy. I got comfortable in the emotional neglect and was on the verge of marrying into this life. More or less resigning myself to this as there was nothing more for me to strive to.
She saw how she was hurting me and took the difficult step to end it and I have been so lost and listless and depressed and even suicidal but I have been slowly, so slowly finding myself and this video came out at just the right time. My 41 page script has become a 66 page script. I'm consulting editers and practicing new skills for a new job and doing it slowly. One day at a time.
I want to be a reliable person. I want to be my own person again. I don't want to just die. I want to fight and this is 100% reinforcing my commitment to change. One day at a time. One page at a time. One thing at a time.
Yeah... Same here. It's painful but ultimately good for us. It gets better. Slowly but surely
I was in an abusive family that I let keep me down for many years. If I had the will that I do today then I could've gotten out of it back then. It took my girlfriend and one of my friends to really tell me that I had to leave that family. But I'm here today and so are you. I'm glad you found the strength to keep going. It is one step at a time and falling down doesn't mean failure. I believe in you
Just finalized my divorce from my alcoholic ex wife, so I feel you. I'm glad to be free, but some days I'm in a very dark place
Guys will really play Dark Souls instead of going to therapy and I'm here for it
@@QuantumTelephone This might break the illusion a bit but I have been doing therapy as well lol. Done 4 sessions so far.
I always thought of Siegmeyer the same way as Don Quixote. An errant knight who has delusions of grandeur, is saved by the kindness of others (much to their chagrin), and has a family back home that constantly worries over them.
He left on a journey because he was dissatisfied to only read about it, he had to live it. Yet, It was a fool's journey as he had to rely expertise and talent of others to get there. Though somehow still, he traveled to the furthest places and was a most memorable companion.
I feel like I am gonna cry, just hearing the title
That replication of his war cry at the end was amazing thank you for adding that.
i always sorta assumed siegmeyer was meant to just be an old adventurer much past his prime and potentially suffering with some form of senility. sieglinde's got the same sort of frustration a person can feel about a parent suffering from alzheimers or dementia. hollowing in this case is siegmeyer losing himself to whatever illness, his daughter having to fight him since he's no longer the same person, the grief still there after he's died but the slightest amount of relief, "he won't be causing any more trouble".
also explains the forgetfulness and narcolepsy
Damn, that is horrible.
I feel for people who have to helplessly witness it and bring up the strength every day to do their best and not let frustration get the better of them, as hard as it is though.
I feel as though Siegmeyer is like a lot of peoples dads. charismatic, is strong and not necessarily dumb, but has a subtle dooming ego, and needs others despite never admitting it
If that’s every one of us, "needing others despite never admitting it," we need some help. I just admitted it!
@@CigaretteCrayon I didnt say all dads, but in favor of the ironic dad joke I'll look past that
compare his slowly ongoing hollowing with alzheimers ... maybe u find some simmilaritys ... :)
I think its like the dad who decides to remodel the bathroom and never really finishes. Then want to re do the kitchen.
We love that person but it's frustrating
Holy sht like my dad
Hahah ! great example
You've inspired me to cosplay as Siegmeyer.
I will drop my summon sign, and when people summon me - expecting me to be a valiant, charming, & courteous warrior - I will, instead, just hang back and watch them fight.
That's very insulting to him.
Dude, be a Siegward. Don't even have a summon sign- just walk up with the Storm Ruler and declare life a 2-Vs-1.
Man I needed to hear this video. I've been really discouraged (to put it lightly) about work lately and have found myself in a lot of self pity. While I try NOT to be a Siegmeyer at work and will jump into my coworkers' workflows and ask them if they need help, the general situation has been... exhausting (our workload has TRIPLED). Anyway, not only was this a great character analysis of both of these characters, it was a gentle, if blunt (in a good way) look at how we can often find ourselves entrenched in focusing on problems rather than exploring for potential solutions. Again, thank you for the lore! Loved it, love the Sieg clan, and loved your videos for years. Very glad you're back!!
What I love about Sieglinde in particular is that she is not a romanticized knight. She gets frustrated, annoyed, she CRIES. She makes hard and terrible decisions and she clearly feels the weight of it all on her shoulders. Life isn't prancing gracefully through a series of obstacles with ease and no mistakes. Life is messy, it is inelegant and difficult, but it is possible to get through if you keep trying to move forward one little bit at a time. I've always found the Souls series to be uplifting that way. Despite everything, you can get to the end if you just keep pushing forward.
I never realized just how perfect the Outer Wilds theme is for these character videos until this installment. Great Video!
and Hades..! 🤩🖤
Possibly "Out of Asphodel" but I'm not sure. Sounds good! And this is indeed a great video! I can see this pretty clearly now it's pointed out 😳
Oh boi more Hawkshaw to keep me from going hollow, thank you sir
I was so not ready for this revelation of Siegmeyers character, but even more so to hear the Undella Town theme after so many years, wonderous content
Onion knight is pretty much me. I've wasted my life in indolence and lethargy, hoping for others to bail me out. This one hits right in the feels.
I feel like I've been living like a Siegmeyer for way too long and that the older I get, the harder it becomes to take action.
It's not that I don't know what to do or how to do it, I'm just incapable of getting off my ass and I don't know why.
Have you considered a therapist? They do more then help with mental disabilitys yknow. Helping a person beat chronic procrastination seems right up their ally.
Course, finding a therapist right for you will require trial and error, but thats what dark souls pushesat you. So i think you can succeed.
@@timlieu7623 Yup, that's one of the things I know I should be doing but somehow haven't gotten to it, I even have my therapist number saved on my phone...
Maybe I'll hit them up to night.
@@timlieu7623 I think in our situation it's the one thing that would help that we never get to because... We don't do it.
@@bjarnivalur6330 have you hit up the therapist yet? Thought I’d give a friendly reminder 😊
@@lantzskidmore9386 Yeah. We're planing sessions every other weak.
Thanks for the checkup
🙂
If Siegmeyer is the thesis, Sieglinde is his antithesis, then Siegward would be the synthesis. It took him until the end of time, but he finally became his best self.
Aww
Yeah Siegward felt like a more mature version of Siegmeyer, that character development really touched me.
i'm so happy now having this illuminated.
@@THExRISER even the names are indicative of this, he is the Holder of Victory in name. Sieglinde is the soft victory, siegward is the Guardian of Victory.
Of all three, only his implies no movement. He holds victory in his hands and does nothing.
@@JakeTalksGamesYT Fascinating, what would each name roughly translate to?
Just so I can get a clear picture of the symbolism they're painting.
@@THExRISER „Sieg“ means victory in german, as for the suffix of each character they must come from other languages. „Ward“ being obviously english. Idk where the others derive from. „Linde“ may also come from the german word „Linderung“ which is basically soothing, as in soothing pain for example.
Meyer I have no clue, „Meier“ is a common german last name.
I hate how hard & relatable this hits, whilst at the same time, love it.
In my mind, Meyer knew of the plot, and has been trying to get to Ash Lake. Being left out tho, he has no idea where it is, and that's how we find him - still sitting and waiting outside of Sens. Also explains why his travelling pattern is erratic. He was near enough to it in Blighttown, and yet finds himself in Izalith due to not knowing about the illusory walls.
It is only after Linde finds him, that she escorts him to Ash Lake, with the premise being the plot. However, once they arrive, there is nothing but ashes and the Deity's skull. Linde knew that her dad's purpose either was the plot, or finding her mother, and that he'd lose his sense of purpose. Might explain the "final" bit. So once he sees how late he truly is, and/or learns that his wife has been dead all this time? He goes hollow, and Linde does her duty, granting her old man the mercy he needed
It's honestly a little disturbing how much Siegmeyer reminds me of myself in some ways ; not someone who couldn't solve his problems, but someone who didn't even bother to try in earnest.
I came for analysis and left thinking about my own emotional and psychological problems. 10/10 I would do it again
All my life... I have been in Siegmeyer mode...
Don't take this theory at face value as if it's some kind of canon...
What a beautiful video. Uplifting, insightful, never condescending, 10/10 didnt expect this level of quality. Motivating me to get shit together. GGs.
Damn, this hit me harder than a freight train, or any amount of therapy I had so far. I am a Siegmeyer too, booth in my inactiveness as well as the tools I left to gather dust and as I watch this video at 3 a.m. I need to get my shit together and little by little make progress by small good habits. If I ever get to have a dear little Lin in my life, all I want to is not to be a burden or a disappointment to her.
Ah Siegmeyer has the "if I just wait around somebody else will do it for me me eventually" kind of mentality.
“Sort of like a programming job when you dream of being a game designer”…. Hawkshaw, why you gonna blast me like that huh? Gotta kick me when I’m down… lol
That was Miyazaki's profession before working at From btw
Did not know that. Well that gives me a little hope that I can somehow escape this soul sucking, mind numbing job and actually create some of the games that have been ruminating in my head for the last couple of years lol
Thanks for making this video, it has made me reflect on myself. There are many parallels between this character and I. I don’t ask for help but many people have offered their help nonetheless, I do nothing most days and tell myself I’ll get to what I gotta do, but when I do start working on something, I dive in headfirst, and usually fail and then I fall back into a depression. This video, of all things about a video game I’m passionate about has taught me much. I do feel a sense of optimism after this video. I am currently telling myself I’ll change my ways, I do truly hope I feel this way when I awake in the morning. Whatever may happen in my future, i am glad you held up a mirror to my face, so thank you.
This video damn near made me cry at the end, so beautifully analyzed Hawk!
How is it that this game is the ensemble of Philosophy? I have been rewatching Dark Soul's lore every couple of years, and every time I revisit this I am absolutely struck and dumbfounded by the Ideas and experiences I've missed just by being ignorant. The exact same feeling overwhelms me with each tidbit of philosophy I just so happen to come across in life. Truly good work you do hear Hawkshaw, I would have never come across these "epiphanies" had I not watched your videos all these years!
Im 25 years old and after all of my experiences, I don't believe I've had something more eye opening. I have looking for this. I feel every representation of Sig is what I am. Anything explaining more than that is really not going to do my words justice, so I'll lead with a straight forward thank you Hawkshaw, and Miyazaki for helping me grow. Just Dam hah
The fact the game is able to hide that Lautrec is an inherently positive character, while Siegmeyer is an inherently negative one, really shows the depth of this story.
Man, I hope to be as good a subtle storyteller as this one day.
Miyazaki has a great understanding of how people work.
That's just your headcanon
@@hisholiness4537 yeah seriously how the fuck is Lautrec the first keeper murderer and thief of humanity a positive character?
@@tylerramos7633 He never harms the fire keeper soul so we can put it right back. He's following orders from a goddess to stop you from unsealing the insane bungholes Gwyn sealed away.
@@johnsmith-xw7hv “following the orders of a goddess” yeah to murder people and steal their humanity. The fire keeper isn’t the first person he’s done it to and definitely wouldn’t be the last of we didn’t kill him.
I wanted to say, I love your content and I hope you do more. You're the most inepth souls lore tuber I've seen and I genuinely hope you do more of this for not only DS 1, but the other games as well. Glad to see you uploading again!!
What a genius video. I've watched a couple of yours, and while I found the first two thirds or so of this video frustratingly slow, you managed to uncover new knowledge to me and what a great way to present Siegmeyer's ultimate lesson! Beautiful.
This wasn't a Dark Souls Lore video, this was a wake up call
Seigmire reminds me of my mom.
I'm glad that instead of "going hollow" she's finally growing up and being a proper adult. I'm so proud of her.
That's awesome my dude
Siegmeyer reminds me of my mom. Except she doesn't even care about me lol
I kinda picked up on the fact that he was completely out of his depth but I still enjoyed seeing him every time
He's got so many... Layers 🗿
In all seriousness, thank you genuinely for this video. I've actually been in a rut, waiting for something to change, hoping. But this video made me really stop and introspect on my listlessness. I saw myself in so much of what you touched on about Sig, and it made me worry. Im going to do my best from now on, to make sure I'm less him, and more like Chad Solaire. Again, thank you for the amazing video with a great message.. it's crazy how you can find important life messages in the strangest of places :)
Siegmeyer is an excellent symbol of showing bravery through aesthetics and a great warning to those who feel too comfortable. Love the vids, very excited for Elden Ring.
I m starting to like the depth of yer analysis over vaati vidya's...Keep it up
I’ve always like his work better. Vaati is good for the basic surface level lore information hawkshaw digs deeper.
It's quite a different type of content. Vaati focuses moreso on presenting the lore nicely, in broad strokes, with some theorisation. This video is moreso a character analysis, about the meaning of the character, and the developer's intention.
Thank you making for this video. The Outer Wilds music also goes together extremely well !
The last part of the video is truly special.
Siegmeyer is like a really buff dude watching his friend fight off the guys who were trying to beat him up earlier, and then praising his friend for doing his job.
That's a strong title
Hohoooo
You have just stepped on a very, very thin ice, my sir
As someone who struggles with motivation, Siegmeyer is very relatable.
I always found that "I'll just have to kill him again" line from Sieglinde very unsettling.
9:58 Also I would recognize the Partners in Time soundtrack anywhere!
Bruh I was so blinded by the similarity of the tearstone rings I completely forgot they were from different countries
I don't think Bastard Sword does really mean anything, but the rings definitely are some hint, Sieglinde at least must have had some contact with people from Carim
This analysis is such a good distillation of the lesson I learned playing DS3 in 2016. These games changed my life.
Thank you for this. I needed to hear this. Great video and awesome lore. Keep up the good work.
Came for character breakdown, stayed for life lesson and inspiration.
Every new Hawkshaw thumbnail I see makes me go “Hmmm” a little bit louder to myself each time. And it seems i’ve come full circle HMMMMMMMMMMM
Damn this one hit me close to home, thank you for this. Ive always liked the Siegmeyer character in all his appearances throughout the games but this re contextualizes how i see and saw him. Truly excellent work and one of my new favorite Dark Souls videos. Long may the sun shine!
Your latest videos have been unbelievably good and insightful about not just Souls, but real life as well.
You guys rock!!! Hopefully you guys have more videos in store!
“Tricks of the mind”
- pyromancer after mind controlling a undead into attacking his buddy, then playing it off after he’s done looting and the mind control wears off.
Watching this was better than morning coffee. This was what I needed. Thank you for creating such a rich perspective on this so well-liked character! It's so amazing to see the way the Dark Souls lore has expanded across the years. It really helps me to feel connected to others who share the perspective that I have as a lore-delver; That by putting so much of themselves into the efforts of the game we who are focused on delving into the story and details of the game's development we get a little closer to understanding the developers themselves. To me it just feels that as I'm playing games and my perception has developed, I can see certain things that developers try to connect with the player on in order to paint a picture, but I can't catch many of the deeper nuanced information on my own for plenty of reasons.
Very well said feel the same way
Bouta watch while drinking some goodnight time coffee
This... Is a far more logical and tighten up explanation and conclusion, than Vaati gave long time ago, imho. Wonderful job! And at first I was surprised about the OW theme, but then realised, how it also fits into the narrative of being a true adventurer, and heading confidently into the unknown on your own
is similar to El Quijote, while you read the book, as you follow his stupid acts of nonsense you read other people stories and tales, while the quijote is just there, making trouble for those close to him, interrumpting the protagonist journey (the other charaters are all protagonist of their own stories)
Awh man I thought it was in 2 hours.. I shouldn't be too Hollow by then.
Incredible video as always!! Completely changed how I see the characters and the stories!!
I'm really enjoying these didactic takes. The reason the first game is special to me is that while 2 and 3 tell fascinating stories in an ingenious and compelling way, the first game gives strong messages of personal encouragement. That sets any story apart from others.
Not gonna lie, I cried a little at the final analysis. We are all Seigmeyer of Catarina sometimes, and what we need is a reminder to take off the onion armor and use that sword.
Thanks for your excellent work.
Haven't watched the video yet, but:
Siegmeyer did nothing wrong.
Same as Uncle H
You’re right
He can do no wrong
Because he doesnt do anything
His problem is he doesn’t do anything at all
When you do watch the video, you will find that you are correct. He did nothing wrong, because he did nothing.
This is such a perfect metaphor for me right now. I just went through a lot of these changes and realizations and now I'm so much happier!
Great video and thank you very much for your amazing work. I always thought of Siegmeyer showing the consequence of immortality. He has lost motivation to solve problems, since time will solve every obstacle for him. When chances are greater than 0, you just have to wait a finite amount of time for problems to be solved. "Sometimes you only have to give it some time". Eventually, a gate will crumble, a boulder will become a pebble and a swamp will dry out. In Anor Londo he is not waiting for five strangers, but calculating the bodies/lives/tries he has to spend, until he will manage to defeat five silver knights, weighing if it is worth it, or if he should simply wait. He is fully aware of his undead existence and all consequences of it, so he is pitying his mortal daughter. His daughter, in contrast, is using her one life to determinedly master every obstacle in her way.
It also might be From mocking the player. After beating Dark Souls, I had this great sense of accomplishment. However, with infinite tries and enough time, everybody is able to beat this game. Something also Siegmeyer might realize at the end of his journey. He is no big adventurer, and sadly, me too wasn't that special defeating Gwyn after hours and hours of gameplay. Siegmeyer showed me a mirror: the tragedy of an undead character.
I haven't finished the video yet, but the analysis of Siegmayer just felt like someone held a mirror up to my face...
If only I could finally get up and do something about it...
Edit: and I'm just crying...
I didn't come here for this, but maybe I needed it.
You can!
I've always seen a lot of myself in Siegmeyer. Now it really comes to alignment. How does one really change to a positive mindset? I don't really understand.
By finding insperation. Siegmeyer was inspired to become a hero by you the player.
Wow man...just same. I'm a Siegmeyer through and through
People can't answer that. Many can't put it into particular words, and for those who can, the answer is either too long or unfit for you. An example of the latter was DarkViperAU playing GTAGuessr with SomeOrdinaryGamers - because of their particular way of viewing and using the map, they knew different locations and reference points, and under a different light, so what one uses as landmark won't be known or understood by the other.
But you'll come to understand.
It's not one singular monolithic thing, but a general amalgam of a form specific to you.
Atomic Habits, Power of Now, Positive Thinking (book by creator of cognitive distortion concept) are some book suggestions of you wanna look for a different way of seeing things, but the important bit is looking, anywhere, everywhere.
If anyone can do it might as well be me. That's how i get the courage to volunteer to do stuff. If anyone can... Might as well be me
I definitely agree with you, this video really opened my eyes to how I need to adopt that positive mindset. But I havnt personally ran into any motivations to change or inspire me to change my mindset.
I hope one day I get the clarity to help myself move forward.
Was not expecting to feel personally attacked in a Dark Souls Lore video
I appriciate that you bestow on your viewers not just the lore and story of Dark Souls but also valuable lessons.
I got a real sense of tonal dissonance when the Outer Wilds OST came on in a Dark Souls video, but you married two things I love perfectly. Awesome video Hawkshaw!
I know right? It suits him perfectly in a strange way and made me smile from seeing two things I love together.
I see his frequent naps and lapses of attention as nearly going hollow.
Hollows always seem to be very relaxed when left alone and they don't seem to get attacked by other enemies.
I don't think this is the case at all.
Hollowing is basically giving up to despair, but Siegmeyer is never even close to that.
He honestly believes his own delusion that all problems will eventually solve themselves if you wait enough, and doesn't have any problems with sleeping or sitting comfortably until that happens
now you've gone one theory too far hawkshaw
That was so inspiring, with deep lore and some Outer Wilds bangers. I can not praise your videos enough.