During my army service, we did many "hikes." Nobody told us how far or how long it would be. Because we're grunts, we don't need to know. A hike would mean anything from a quick run around the block to weeks of cross country skiing in the forest in -20C weather. But here's the thing: while we didn't know anything, the army knew everything. We had plenty of water for everyone, plenty of clothing, plenty of food, plenty of everything, and before leaving we were given explicit instructions about the gear required. Because while it's my responsibility to shut up and keep moving, it's the army's responsibility to keep me alive. Our hikes weren't easy, even with excellent equipment. So I feel I have some authority in judging these "level 2 hikes" she's talking about. What she did was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous. The way they're condescending and arrogantly downplaying endangering other people's lives and even causing severe physical harm is disgusting and disturbing. I hope these people get locked up for the harm they're causing.
I cannot like this comment anymore, though I wish I could! My best friend was in the air force and no matter what they were doing they made sure they were always prepared for what was coming.
From what it sounds like from her own words, she didn't have ANY sort of emergency plan. "Is there 911 in Columbia?" If you won't let people prepare, the responsibility is on you to ensure the safety of everyone on that trip. She told them "conserve water" while she knew she brought more than enough for herself because "yall don't want to see me dehydrated" okay, sure.... what about the rest of your team who didn't have the privilege of information? Hypocrisy is actually dangerous in this case.
🤣🤣🤣 it’s exactly what she’s implying… 🤯 my brain is starting to hurt lol she probably just hopes if she gaslights us enough we might back off but she doesn’t have control over us like she does with her team 🤦🏼♀️
I love that JLW loves to say “facts tell, stories sell.” Makes me think she doesn’t consider it important to include facts in her stories unless they serve her. She’s finally getting hers for being too hyperbolic
My simple question: how can someone TRULY consent to something when they were never told what was ACTUALLY going to happen? To me, there was no consent.
Her saying how do you know they didn’t sign waivers? If they did, they would have known it was 15 hours! Or the waiver would have said 2 hours which the fact it was actually 15 make that waiver null and void!
@@piperjaycie Right! And if they did, she should have had them disclose their medical info ahead of time. It should NEVER have been a surprise that people were diabetic, that's so irresponsible.
Right! Even with a wavier, you can NOT sign your rights away. This is both a work and basic safety thing. I can't sign a wavier to be like human trafficked or something wild like that
Rewatching this now is wild. How she was able to convince the diabetic woman that she did not need her insulin gives us an idea of how she deluded herself to d*ath
I just commented too, she was just finding out about the cancer around this time wasn't she? So maybe the whole thing was just a power move so she could feel like she was in control of something, since the cancer was out of her control.
That has been my take too. Maybe if this was more of life coaching, but even still, she lied to them. But what does walking barefoot, with a blindfold on in a third world country have anything to do with selling a diet drink?!?!
Right? Like that's my takeaway too. Didn't these people sign up to just sell ketones from their phones? How is this a reflection of their business acumen, their ability to sell, or their leadership? How is following YOU blindly into whatever you decide to do to them, helping a business? (that they don't even have in reality, but going by her narrative)
The tampon thing was the biggest giveaway. “She asked how many tampons she’d need, I thought that was soooo brilliant, because then she would know how long we would be out there. It was so smart of her to ask that” LIKE WHAT??? The mental gymnastics
Obviously, her down doesn't care about each other. If the person asking about the tampons realized the hike was going to be more than 2 hours, why did she not share that with the other team members?
How does she “love” these women and not know one of them is a diabetic?! It would be one thing if she openly admitted this is farther down the ladder(and as a diabetic, on a 2 hour hike even I would tell the leaders of the group but still), but she chose to use the word “love.” It feels fake or neglectful.
She "loves" them because they make money for her & probably also because they are "coachable", gullible & easy to manipulate. They probably worship her & that's what narcissists need. They wouldn't sue her, not because they're loyal friends either. It's pretty sick. The only thing this woman loves is power & control.
Yeah, if Jessie Lee is the narcissist I think she is, she doesn’t know what “love” is. All her relationships will be transactional (what can you do for me?) and she won’t experience empathy or remorse.
Person with Type 1 Diabetes here. I 💯 agree with you! Diabetes is also rather tough to conceal, all things considered. She only cares to maintain the abusive relationship she has cultivated to benefit her financially. She emotionally manipulates and abuses these people so they are scared to leave and lack the confidence to see her as the toxic individual leading a mini commercial cult. Sadly, if this episode doesn’t result in her expulsion from her Pruvit, I predict her behavior will become worse and likely more secretive. Holy self-snitching, BTW! She just can’t keep her mouth shut!
JLW has the most anxiety-inducing, chaotic energy. I’m stressed. I also feel like she’s just the most irritating person to be around…like, I’m hiding from you at a party.
I used to work with someone like her. She was exhausting. The whole department would keep on eye on whoever she was targeting that day, and we'd work as a group to stop the assault by calling the target with an "emergency" to give them an out.
Jessie Lee : “I’m your leader, I know what’s best for you, don’t question me when I tell you what to do.” Also Jessie Lee : “I gave you instructions and you didn’t ask questions to get the REAL ones, that’s on you for not knowing when I’m lying.” Also Jessie Lee : “so what if it’s dangerous to swim in the ocean at night?! Haven’t I shown you I was trustworthy this whole time? I mean I’ve been lying on most of this trip, but I’m your leader so do as I say.” ???????
YES THIS!! OMG! Seeing her contradicting herself in writing is so bizarre. She changes her narrative to fit whatever she thinks will make her look better, as if she doesn’t think anyone will notice. And even then she will double down. She is so dedicated to her facade that she is starting to look psychotic, which I think will be be her eventual downfall. People will start seeing her for who she truly is and end up leaving in droves.
In my opinion ofc: This is MLM in a shell for you. Your upline lies to your face -"you will make extra $300/month working while taking care of your kids" = we will hike for 2 hours. When they don't make the $300 each month "its your attitude and your fault because you should neglect your family and work more hours !" = People don't bring cloths and blankets to sleep on a beach "Its their fault they did not prepare!"
@@Justkelseyagain You are too optimistic. People follow the dumbest and obvious shit when they are broken down and brainwashed. It reminds me of the cult of the fake goddess, who tried to live in Hawaii. She was absolute bonkers, literally told people she is Christ with no evidence ofc and an alkoholic and there were people who let her abuse their kids and followed her. While she was chanching her narrative and drunk the whole time.
That sums her whole MO up quite nicely. Full of lies, contradictory statements and unrealistic expectations. Jessie Lee is everything a true/good leader is not.
As a lawyer, I can 100% agree! Proving intent can be SO hard. But here, it's on VIDEO that she said she INTENDED to BREAK them. And this whole waiver thing...she literally said she TRICKED them. How can you consent to something you have been tricked into doing???
I scrolled for so long to find a lawyer comment!! That last part was my exact thought. Isn't informed consent required for a waiver to be legally valid?
I think the thing that is the most upsetting is the lying. Because 1 million % if Jesse had told everyone "We are going on a 15 plus hour hike including swimming in the ocean and camping" everyone still would've went and been happy to go. But at least they'd have be able to trust their leader afterwards. And the Diabetic girl wouldn't have had to be excluded because she'd have been able to prepare. My husband is type 1 and requires so so so so so much more prep than normal people. She could've been prepared.
Glad I saw this comment because I have a question about the type 1 diabetes. They made such a big deal about the candy bar and I thought that type 1 diabetes meant that you need insulin to level blood sugar, so a candy bar would have raised her blood sugar even more right? Or does the blood sugar teeter so that sometimes you need insulin for high blood sugar but if it dips too low you need sugar? Thanks and sorry if that's a dumb question but there's been so much talk about the woman and the candy bar.
Yes that's right Elizabeth. It should not go below 4 or above 14. If it's low then you need sugar to raise it. A small candy bar or a few jelly babies work but there are products made specifically for that. The more exercise you do, the more sugar you can tolerate and if it's too high, you can bring it down by walking around. JLW obviously knows nothing about diabetes.
@@Lizzypoohxo Yes. Diabetics, especially type 1, can have volatile blood sugar and can absolutely go too low. It is affected by everything like how much insulin you've taken, physical activity, stress, how long its been since you ate, ect. Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) is incredibly dangerous and most people I know with diabetes keep some form of sugar on hand, whether it be glucose tablets, soda, or candy to use in an emergency. My cousin is type 1 and had a continuous glucose monitor that will alarm her and my father (she lives with us) that she has gone low. She has almost died several times and my dad has had to go in to wake her up and get her some form of sugar. Theres ever parameters you follow for how much to take and how long you should wait before you test your sugar again to see if you need to take more. It would be normal for this woman to have a candy bar. Maybe she was feeling low on the way there or took it before the "hike" because working out is known to lower blood sugar.
She keeps talking about how grateful the attendees are. Keith Raniere to this day has faithful followers and supporters even in light of all the testimony that put him in prison for 120 years. It’s a moot point Jessie Lee, you’re giving serious NXIVM vibes girl.
seriously, she acts like she didn't conditioned them to be feel that way. The way she basically love bombed them after making them go through all that is so manipulative.
There’s something to be said about how well spoken, calm and data driven you are in this video and your content. Her behavior is always so jarring. Thank you for your coverage on this!
Totally agree. A lot of people are mad at JLW and rightly so. I'm upset as well but as she is now, she is never EVER going to admit fault or walk her shit back. that's a loseing game that would ultimately bring us othing of value. Chelsea knows this and instead, channels her energy into what actually matters; showing any potential followers of JLW who she is and warning them by breaking down how messed up her actions truly are.
“We set the stage right.” NO. YOU DIDN’T. I’m a person who would have LOVED an excursion like this IF I had been mentally prepared for what to expect. Preparing for a 2 hour hike and being faced with something 8x that long would have messed me up. If only because I would have been so ANGRY that it would have ruined the experience.
The mental preparedness is huge for me! I live close to a creek and then further up is one of the tallest waterfalls in California. I prepare a little differently depending on which one I go to. If I'm going to the waterfall I wear my hiking boots, if I'm splashing around in the creek I wear my tennis shoes for example. If I go to work knowing I'm going to have a 12 hour shift, I don't really mind it. If I'm scheduled for a 6 hour shift and have plans after work, I will probably be upset when I am told I need to work a 10 hour shift. The physical is hard to prep for if you don't know what you're getting into, but then add the mental aspect and that kicks it up a notch
My personal favorite as someone from the european North was: the Swedens were hot but I told them 90 days in advance to prepare. You tell me a year in advance, I won't get more heat resistant. This is rediculous and ableist.
Same! There’s a reason some people hate surprises, even if they’re good surprises. Sometimes it’s a matter of logistics (especially if you are expected to bring your own supplies), but sometimes you just need some time to mentally run through the plan and ground yourself. Also, if a surprise activity is dropped on me, I feel like I don’t have the option to say no, which means I’m going to resent having to do it even if I might otherwise enjoy the activity.
Agreed! I would have adored preparing for an excursion like this as well as do it! Part of the challenge/fun is the physical and mental prep for a great trip.
You absolutely cannot tell how healthy someone is by how they look and that is incredibly ableist to say. In my 20's I was the skinniest I have ever been (5'7, 135-150) and I looked great on the outside, but I was a drug addict and was not healthy on the inside. Now I'm 36, clean and sober for over 6 years, and I'm at the heaviest weight I've ever been (over 200), but I'm also the healthiest I've ever been. I take care of my physical health now and go to the doctors regularly for lab work. The outsides do not always give a clear picture of the inside. Sure I could do some crazy things to lose weight but that would take away from all of the work I've done on my mental and emotional health, as well as my physical health that doesn't involve weight. As someone who has struggled with an eating disorder, has multiple mental health conditions, and has tried to unalive themselves before, I would rather be overweight and happy than skinny and miserable.
Amen to this. At my ED’s worst moments, I was at my skinniest and worked out like twice a day, 6 days a week. You could have looked at me and thought that I was the healthiest person ever… but I was so not okay, mentally or otherwise. Looking at someone to gage their health is completely wrong. Also thank you for sharing your story 💕
This is exactly what I was thinking. I was in the best shape of my life in my mid twenties and then mid thirties but I was a drug addict lol so I was really sick and mentally unwell. Clean now for almost 6 years and the heaviest weight I’ve ever been. JLW has no idea what she’s taking about. She just needs to shut her mouth.
This woman...she really and truly believes her own hype and her own delusion. She OOOZES privilege, narcissism, "Im king shit" vibes.....her eventual fall will be so spectacular.
The “I’m still going well”, “we’re good, I don’t know what’s wrong with them”, “I slept like an angel” BS was so infuriating because, like you said, THEY were prepared, the others were not, including mentally prepared.
Which proves how lost and brainwashed her followers are. If they hear all this and STILL see nothing wrong with it and are ok with being treated that way, it just shows how lost they are to all this 🙁
What boggles me is that she comes up with this trip, she purposefully hides the true itinerary to break down her downline (she chose those words not any of us who weren’t there), talks about it in a poorly narrated fashion and then gets mad when people try to make sense of what she says…baby girl we’re just trying to understand the story you’re trying to tell 😂 “We did so and so and people were struggling. Sure I lied to them but they should’ve been prepared” “Well yeah you lied to them” “OMG WERE YOU THERE HOW WOULD YOU KNOW HAHA YOURE A DUMB COUCH POTATO” “Um what? Im just pointing out what you just said” “YOURE A WEAK HATER AND A LOSER” Girl what?! 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, that's a perfect description od what is going on here. The mental gymnastics she must be doing to justify all that, not see the contradictions and still present this "I did nothing wrong" attitude is just astonishing
55:42 “You literally couldn’t even be real friends with us” is giving me major Mean Girls “you can’t sit with us” vibes. It also seems like she purposefully gate-kept information on how hard the hike was so that she knew she herself could do it at her own level of fitness, but to ensure everyone else struggled so that she could maintain a feeling of dominance and power over them. Super abusive and manipulative. Would love to see a psychologist react to/analyze this behavior. Great video CC!
That is why this entire situation scares me so much. I am the fittest I have ever been, I workout regularly and do weight lifting. I have health issues that I wouldn't disclose to people unless necessary, and I wouldn't think a 2 hour hike is necessary. I know I'd need medical intervention if I was put in that situation and it's really frightening to think people would put people they claim to know and care about in that situation
This is so important! I was on the flip end where i went with someone on a crazy long hike (planned) and it was fine but I found out later that they have a serious medical issue and it made me upset because it was just the two of us. I'd have absolutely panicked if something happened because I didn't know about that (we got in a fight about it afterwards actually). The fact that she told this story like it's a joke just goes to show how little empathy she has.
In another person's live, it came out that the motorcycle wasn't an emergency vehicle but just a random person they flagged down from the side of the road. JJ, Erin, and Savannah reacted to it on a livestream.
I was so shocked when I saw that!!! Can you imagine getting on the back of a random motorcycle in a foreign country while you’re having a medical emergency? There are a few videos from the attendees who help paint a clearer picture. Apparently the plankton were in a lagoon and they didn’t jump into the ocean, they slept on lawn chairs on the beach, etc.
I had a hunch that JLW was exaggerating much of the story since she seems to do that in general with her storytelling and the participants' accounts seem to back that up. But JL still lied and mislead them and made them do things they weren't prepared for and then gaslit them when they struggled. The whole thing is so disgusting. People don't deserve to be treated the way JLW treats them. I'm glad more awareness is being brought to this and I just hope it helps some people see the light and get out of pruvit, or any MLM for that matter.
Creating differences between genders or some other marker (finances, body type, etc) is a common cult tactic too. You get everyone under your spell. Then raise up people that will keep others in line for you. Then beat down a portion of the group. Think of the FLDS….
I’m from Colombia and the heat there especially while hiking will literally make you wanna pass out, even if you don’t have any health problems. The mountains there are steep and they take time to climb. I don’t doubt that the trip was actually BRUTAL, her laughing is actually disgusting
These mountains are enormous (and gorgeous, I miss it) so them saying everything is flat and it was a straightforward walk, has me a little suspicious lol. The heat, the terrain, and the traffic they were walking through is sooooo dangerous.
Sitting at the ER with hubby passing kidney stones! THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD! I appreciate all your hard work! Congratulations on your pregnancy and I hope it goes well for you!
I have chronic illnesses, chronic pain, migraines 24/7, narcolepsy, IBS, etc. And yet, somehow, because others think I’m pretty and they can’t physically see what I’m feeling at all times, they decide that means that it can’t be happening and I must actually be healthy. Flawless logic 🙃
Are you me? I seriously could have written this. Yep, and I love when people simultaneously don’t believe me and tell me my health issues are my fault. 🫠 I understand, and I believe you. Wishing you comfort and sending you hugs. ♥️
Same!! Sorry you both have to go through this crap too, but I am glad I'm not the only one. I keep thinking that maybe I should go to work looking absolutely horrible so people will BELIEVE me or take me seriously when I tell them I'm struggling/feel awful most days. But I don't want to look as bad as I feel, and I shouldn't have to...
Honestly this is a clear indication that Jessie has completely lost touch with reality. She was hardly grounded in reality to begin with, but this is seriously so beyond twisted and diabolical. I am absolutely bewildered that this happened. She intentionally put people in danger, even mentioned she wanted to scare them (during the water part of the hike) and didn’t care about the dangers they were unknowingly walking into!
Mateo: "Nobody was ever at a life risk or anything like that, and that's super ridiculous like even just thinking that it was that way." Jessie Lee: "Two of our guides had to stay up all night long because it's apparently actually extremely dangerous, you could be kidnapped or whatever."
19:00 I’m soooo glad you caught that too. She changed the question to follow her new narrative that everyone is making up stuff, like we didn’t get it straight from the horses mouth ourselves.
I feel like something that everyone has forgotten to mention is that she told her team to pack accordingly. So not only are they walking for 15 hours not knowing where they are or where they're going, but they're carrying all of their stuff, their food, water, clothes, etc, with them. That's a workout for the ROTC, not a team building retreat.
She said she herself had water for 18hrs of 5 liters which equals to 5 kilos or over 10 pounds. I would call anyone dumb who brings 10 extra pounds for a 2 hr hike just for themselves.
It makes me so angry that she held her (lack of) body weight and so-called health over the heads of her team and the internet, when in reality her sudden thinness was probably a direct result of cancer. I’ve recovered from an eating disorder twice and I want to scream that thin does not automatically equal superior or healthy.
100% this! I have struggled with disorder eating bouncing between restrictive and binge eating. I am thin now but only because I am diabetic and on meds. I do not feel healthy at all! I felt healthier at 220 than 150.
She truly is like a female Keith Raniere but I hope she hasn't done anything nearly as destructive as he did that we don't know about yet. But her gleefully retelling the story, doubling down and playing the typical narcissist (DARVO) is astounding. It reminds me so much of how he recorded every thing and then said he was set up.
I've never had someone with qualities like hers literally record their story..and then record their new version as well. It's wild that we can clip direct quotes and put them next to each other, yet she's still manipulating people. I'm mind-blown by it all haha
People can totally say that something “changed their life”, but too many people don’t get that that doesn’t mean it was in a GOOD way! A tragic car accident changes your life too, Jessie
I feel like her shading the poor diabetic that was having blood sugar issues (most likely due to the fact jessi refused to allow them to be properly prepared) by saying in her ig caption she got to watch 15 (instead of 16) people go through a metamorphosis just shows how poorly she treats her team and how little she actually cares about their well-being. She’s honestly something more serious didn’t happen. Dropping clues like ‘be prepared’ is not the same as ensuring that if anyone on her team needed medication that they would bring enough for a whole day instead of what they perceived to be 2 hours. It’s flat out negligence.
omg i didn't even catch the 15 vs 16 people thing, its so cruel to think that you could've gone through a grueling experience and then get excluded from the "club" of approval because you had a medical condition or refused to follow her insane and crazy orders
Yes, when I heard “fifteen people,” when she said sixteen went, I immediately assumed she didn’t count the person who required medical evacuation. Apparently they didn’t grow from their experience.
Calling bs that she asked the diabetic if she had her insulin before they left - she described in detail in the first post how shocked and “why didn’t you tell me” she was that the girl was diabetic and passing out 45 minutes in
I've gone on a decent share of 13 hour hikes that involved just hiking, sometimes swimming, sometimes cooking, etc. and absolutely loved it but if someone told me they were taking me on a two hour hike and it turned into 15...I'd lose my mind. Like damn what if I had plans for later that day (also I need to be mentally prepared to be social for that long)
It's hilarious that she says "This is health" referring to herself when a few weeks ago on one of her lives, she showed how many injectables she's taking. I think it was 8 or 9 and they were all 'performance enhancing' type ones. So, not surprising but still infuriating that she's the epitome of false advertising. (DeeCee covered it in her 'Colombia Trip Prequel' video from 5 days ago.)
And knowing what we do now, which is that as she spoke in this video cancer was growing inside her, it's kinda haunting to hear her say, "this is health," while gesturing to herself. 😳
So many things are worrying about this trip. I used to be a trip organizer for birding trips in a very remote part of Indonesia and no matter how many scenarios you pepare for there are always surprises. What I think show how unprepared the tour leaders were (seems to me like both Sasha and Matteo were co-leaders w JLW) was that they came to the cave too late. In her deletd video she says that they were going to go inside a cave at the beach, but the tide was already too high for them to enter. But WHAT IF they hadn''t been late and actually entered the cave?? And got caught in there by the tide? They had no clue about calculating with the tide at all, which lead me to the conclusion that they were not prepared at all.
She literally said that she was telling them to be in the best shape of their lives and work out every day leading up to the trip and then in this they're saying that the hike was beginner level and that even the unfittest person could manage it. Like which one is it?? If they didn't need to be fit to do this walk, then you don't get to berate them for being 'unprepared', and if it WAS hard, you don't get to underplay it as if you didn't put your downline through a physically and mentally gruelling experience.
I know I'm a year late but when he said the people at the top never hate downwards, it made my blood boil. like, billionaires hate poor people. these people clearly hold disdain to the people below them
She definitely deleted the first video so that she could be all "Where?? I didn't say that" when someone questions her about the things she, herself, said. She seems to be trying to control the situation as much as possible.
I've watched 2 of the people who were their lives, Courtney who is JLs BFF and also Kristy the diabetic, and actually they corroborated everything JL said in that first live. And actually makes it worse. Cause apparently, they flagged down some rando who was on a motorcycle and had him take the woman to the next destination. They didn't get her medical help. 🤦
In her first video she said they flagged a stranger in a motorcycle to get lady to next stop. In this one she says the motorcycle was there for saftey???
congratulations on your pregnancy! and im glad youre covering this. i found a few new channels about this crazy columbia trip. they couldve gotten hurt, kidnapped in another country, etc.
Especially considering the fact that she never shuts up about her net worth and businesses, it only takes one person to over hear her, do a quick Google and bam, you and your team are held for ransom
@@jaycat3807 i know!! you have to be so careful to be safe traveling abroad. in my opinion thats not fun. she was SO LUCKY nothing bad happened from the outside, on the inside of her group she almost caused harm as it was.
It’s honestly so sad how insecure Jessie seems about her body, even now that she’s lost a ton of weight, when that pregnancy comment came up you could tell she was really bothered. It really seems like being skinny is the most important thing in the world to them. I know she’s the villain but I can’t help feeling sympathy for her
I only watched the first half when it was first released, then it came up today when I was playing my “Watch Later.” I felt sick because it started just before JLW starts in on how healthy she is, and how you can tell if someone is healthy by looking. By this point, she had advanced cancer. She was diagnosed only weeks later with stage four colon cancer. It’s so tragic. And I can’t finish it. Sorry, CC; it’s not your fault. It’s just hindsight.
Oh dude she's so fucking upset. And she CREATED this! Because she just had to tell her manic little story, running in place, bragging about how hard she made it for her team.
Isn't Jessie Lee's retreat society in a nutshell? Placing blame on the individual for not succeeding when society misled them and did not prepare them for what was to come. On purpose and with malicious intent, I should add.
Man - at about 36:51 when she disagrees with the comment that "you can't tell f someone is healthy by just looking at them" - she disagrees because "I think I look really healthy". She was RIDDLED with colon cancer by this point and had no idea.
@@cousindexter i think a lot of it but because she was also working on loosing weight, she thought she found a way that worked maybe. Under any other circumstances I think she would have checked it sooner. Also she said she passed blood cloths for four months and didn't bother to go to doctor. I actually wonder if ketones had a link in her having the cancer being so agressive?
I can say 100% that a “walk” in Dallas is different than in Columbia. Even a “walk” in West Texas is different than North Central Texas. I’ve walked, hiked and climbed in the US and other beautiful countries. However I KNEW what I was getting into. I’m not in the best shape but I was able to prepare for the trips and I took more than 90 days to prepare. Informed consent is a thing…an important thing!!
Terrain and weather makes suuuuch a huge difference! Even if a person works out everyday it doesn’t mean they’ll be able to hike hilly terrain. When I was in Colombia, I went up La Piedra del Peñol. At the time I was playing volleyball for my college and worked out nearly everyday…and I was dyinggg by the time I got to the top of the rock. In order to train for that I would’ve focused on climbing. It’s annoying that JLW is pretending like working out for 90 days equates to the level of fitness she surprised her group with.
She reminds me of this one camp counselor I had one year, where, when I was too scared to go on the Alpine Tower(to the point to crying), she kept going "No, just go up, you'll be fine, you've got to push yourself!" But I was soBBING, about how scared I was of it, but she refused to let me leave until I tried. I couldn't even get up one step, because I was shaking, out of breath, and everything hurt.
I live in a chronic state of fear of being misunderstood. Goes back to my childhood of people just getting too tired of me or too worn out of listening to me that they just don't let me finish, so I just provide WAY too much information all at once just in case I get cut off or sent away. It's impossible to write comments that aren't huge paragraphs with editing after I've read it 2x. I live in FEAR of something like this where, if it IS a normal, perfectly safe, totally clear cut excursion that would have been fine for EVERYONE and no one could have problems with, but she just told the story really shit and didn't provide enough context and her exaggerations for effect were taken as fact. The difference is, in my opinion, the defensiveness. The WAY she goes about the second video. "this was out of context, I never meant THIS, I didn't say THAT!" she's so used to being attacked (questioned) she can't just explain "I left out some stuff, or I didn't remember this right, or I was joking here" it's just from 0 to 100 of "it's everyone misinterpreting my words cos they hate me!!!"
I just looked at hiking levels on the website of a personal development seminar. With the distance they traveled, the fact that they spent the night, and the remote areas they were allegedly in it’s automatically a level 4 (rating is up to 5).
What's so funny to me is throughout this whoooole video, she kept saying to stop watching videos of other people talking about her - the funny part is I haven't seen any of those videos! I had only seen the recording of HER talking about the hike and was shocked and concerned.
2hrs verse 15hrs is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.... preparing for each one is totally different.... It's ridiculous that they are blaming the people for not being prepared....as they laugh at them... Infuriating!!!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯
Wow. I hate this. I love watching her get completely caught and jumbled up in her own lies. But I can’t stand listening to her voice tell those lies. Does that make sense? Lol. Thanks for saying what we are all thinking CC
CC, i had a good response to a commenter on one of these channels before, trying to defend behavior like this (Gag). I said "are you comfortable with being lied to? is that why youre responding like this?" NO ANSWER :P that is a valid question. are these people just comfortable with being lied to? I find it atrocious.
It so interesting 🤔 how these people seem to change the story (I love that you had pointed out that the initial video was deleted.) I am going to read some of Dr. Hasan's books. I think it's time. Thanks again for being a channel that talks about all of the different topics, people, etc. Almost to 100,000!!!
My husband is T1D and it would be so dangerous for him to not know that he would be going for 15 mile hike. I truly can’t believe they are trying to make it seem like it was fine and nothing was dangerous, diabetes is not something to play around with. Edit: also I don’t know if the person is type 1 or 2 but it would be an issue with type 1 because physical activity makes them need more carbohydrates/sugary snacks.
I am clueless about diabetes. But I heard that insulin needs to be cooled. I would assume anything over 25°C will make it spoil and useless. You can have a cooler for 2hrs but 15 hours?! Idk. Do you have any Informationen what diabetics need to do when having insulin on them during hikes?
Cc I love that you are more active especially during pregnancy! It's not easy to do what you do and I appreciate that you show us the extreme cases of people like this! 💯
it’s really freaking scary and eerie to hear her say that she feels healthy and you can tell by looking at her that she’s healthy when she had terminal cancer brewing in her body as she said that
It would be totally different if she was like "I learned a lot from this, and next time I plan to xyz so this doesn't happen again." That would be all of the leadership and growth that she talks about, not doubling down and insisting everything was their fault.
A million dollars says she’s gonna use that one word “influencer” and milk it for all its worth without reading any of the article. Also “I wanted to see who would blame others” like girl that’s what you’re doing saying “it’s their fault they didn’t prepare” Last edit I promise: I asked every single co-worker I have if they had heard of Jesse Lee and every single one said no 😂
Oh yay, was just looking for something to listen to! Appreciate you! Also, how rude it is to ask someone else to speak and then constantly put yourself in front of them, interrupt them, be noise, walk around/in front of them.. Cheesus
CC you're looking great, I'm so happy for your little baby. I've taken a lil break from anti mlm and stuff, all this has brought me back in fully. Thanks for all the great content this is so crazy to me!!
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During my army service, we did many "hikes." Nobody told us how far or how long it would be. Because we're grunts, we don't need to know. A hike would mean anything from a quick run around the block to weeks of cross country skiing in the forest in -20C weather.
But here's the thing: while we didn't know anything, the army knew everything. We had plenty of water for everyone, plenty of clothing, plenty of food, plenty of everything, and before leaving we were given explicit instructions about the gear required. Because while it's my responsibility to shut up and keep moving, it's the army's responsibility to keep me alive. Our hikes weren't easy, even with excellent equipment.
So I feel I have some authority in judging these "level 2 hikes" she's talking about. What she did was incredibly irresponsible and dangerous. The way they're condescending and arrogantly downplaying endangering other people's lives and even causing severe physical harm is disgusting and disturbing. I hope these people get locked up for the harm they're causing.
Great comment! Very illuminating!
Do not forget army prepares you to survive in a war.
This women are prepared to shill overpriced MLM products from their smartphones.
My dad was in the Navy and he said the same thing!
I cannot like this comment anymore, though I wish I could! My best friend was in the air force and no matter what they were doing they made sure they were always prepared for what was coming.
From what it sounds like from her own words, she didn't have ANY sort of emergency plan. "Is there 911 in Columbia?" If you won't let people prepare, the responsibility is on you to ensure the safety of everyone on that trip. She told them "conserve water" while she knew she brought more than enough for herself because "yall don't want to see me dehydrated" okay, sure.... what about the rest of your team who didn't have the privilege of information? Hypocrisy is actually dangerous in this case.
"It's psychotic that you guys took me at my word. It's insane that you believe me." - Jessie Lee
Yeah she just does this for views
Her admitting that she’s actually is a gaslighting cult leader
🤣🤣🤣 it’s exactly what she’s implying… 🤯 my brain is starting to hurt lol she probably just hopes if she gaslights us enough we might back off but she doesn’t have control over us like she does with her team 🤦🏼♀️
I love that JLW loves to say “facts tell, stories sell.” Makes me think she doesn’t consider it important to include facts in her stories unless they serve her. She’s finally getting hers for being too hyperbolic
She literally sounds like two of my narcissistic ex boyfriends. 😂
My simple question: how can someone TRULY consent to something when they were never told what was ACTUALLY going to happen? To me, there was no consent.
Her saying how do you know they didn’t sign waivers? If they did, they would have known it was 15 hours! Or the waiver would have said 2 hours which the fact it was actually 15 make that waiver null and void!
@@piperjaycie Right! And if they did, she should have had them disclose their medical info ahead of time. It should NEVER have been a surprise that people were diabetic, that's so irresponsible.
Right! Even with a wavier, you can NOT sign your rights away. This is both a work and basic safety thing. I can't sign a wavier to be like human trafficked or something wild like that
100% INFORMED consent is the term you're looking for. There was none!
Rewatching this now is wild. How she was able to convince the diabetic woman that she did not need her insulin gives us an idea of how she deluded herself to d*ath
YES
Watching this after JL passed away from cancer and thinking about the horrible irony of her saying she "looks healthy" and feels healthy 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I know! It's so eerie and sad. Very sad she didn't listen and enjoy the rest of her life while she could.
I had that very same thought
I just commented too, she was just finding out about the cancer around this time wasn't she? So maybe the whole thing was just a power move so she could feel like she was in control of something, since the cancer was out of her control.
She said that she looks and feels healthy...when behind the scenes she had been bleeding for days without seeking medical care...😮
It was months at that point. She started bleeding in November and I think this was February/March.
I just love that she did this just to motivate a group of people to sell overpriced Ketone drinks that don't even work.
That has been my take too. Maybe if this was more of life coaching, but even still, she lied to them. But what does walking barefoot, with a blindfold on in a third world country have anything to do with selling a diet drink?!?!
Right? Like that's my takeaway too. Didn't these people sign up to just sell ketones from their phones? How is this a reflection of their business acumen, their ability to sell, or their leadership? How is following YOU blindly into whatever you decide to do to them, helping a business? (that they don't even have in reality, but going by her narrative)
Yes!!! It’s not that deep bro. It’s drink powder. Why do we need a “mastermind” for that?🤣🤣🤣
What odd timing... I literally have bad lab results because of Ketones... why the F do people WANT them?!
The tampon thing was the biggest giveaway. “She asked how many tampons she’d need, I thought that was soooo brilliant, because then she would know how long we would be out there. It was so smart of her to ask that” LIKE WHAT??? The mental gymnastics
She also projects. She says that the woman was not on her period but deceived like this. JLW favorite behavior, she praises other woman for.
Obviously, her down doesn't care about each other. If the person asking about the tampons realized the hike was going to be more than 2 hours, why did she not share that with the other team members?
How does she “love” these women and not know one of them is a diabetic?! It would be one thing if she openly admitted this is farther down the ladder(and as a diabetic, on a 2 hour hike even I would tell the leaders of the group but still), but she chose to use the word “love.” It feels fake or neglectful.
She "loves" them because they make money for her & probably also because they are "coachable", gullible & easy to manipulate. They probably worship her & that's what narcissists need. They wouldn't sue her, not because they're loyal friends either. It's pretty sick. The only thing this woman loves is power & control.
It's almost like she's..... LOVE bombing them 👀👀
Yeah, if Jessie Lee is the narcissist I think she is, she doesn’t know what “love” is. All her relationships will be transactional (what can you do for me?) and she won’t experience empathy or remorse.
YES THIS. You’re staying in a house with a woman who regularly checks her blood sugar and you didn’t even notice?
Person with Type 1 Diabetes here. I 💯 agree with you! Diabetes is also rather tough to conceal, all things considered. She only cares to maintain the abusive relationship she has cultivated to benefit her financially. She emotionally manipulates and abuses these people so they are scared to leave and lack the confidence to see her as the toxic individual leading a mini commercial cult. Sadly, if this episode doesn’t result in her expulsion from her Pruvit, I predict her behavior will become worse and likely more secretive. Holy self-snitching, BTW! She just can’t keep her mouth shut!
JLW has the most anxiety-inducing, chaotic energy. I’m stressed. I also feel like she’s just the most irritating person to be around…like, I’m hiding from you at a party.
I was just thinking how much I would hate to hang out with her or even be in her presence! Talk about soul-sucking.
She terrifies me, ngl. I'm placing bets on her being an absolute demon in high school and it only ever got worse.
I used to work with someone like her. She was exhausting. The whole department would keep on eye on whoever she was targeting that day, and we'd work as a group to stop the assault by calling the target with an "emergency" to give them an out.
You have allot of fake accounts commenting ... 😮😮😮
@@lialenore2997 … what?
Jessie Lee : “I’m your leader, I know what’s best for you, don’t question me when I tell you what to do.”
Also Jessie Lee : “I gave you instructions and you didn’t ask questions to get the REAL ones, that’s on you for not knowing when I’m lying.”
Also Jessie Lee : “so what if it’s dangerous to swim in the ocean at night?! Haven’t I shown you I was trustworthy this whole time? I mean I’ve been lying on most of this trip, but I’m your leader so do as I say.”
???????
YES THIS!! OMG! Seeing her contradicting herself in writing is so bizarre. She changes her narrative to fit whatever she thinks will make her look better, as if she doesn’t think anyone will notice. And even then she will double down. She is so dedicated to her facade that she is starting to look psychotic, which I think will be be her eventual downfall. People will start seeing her for who she truly is and end up leaving in droves.
In my opinion ofc: This is MLM in a shell for you.
Your upline lies to your face -"you will make extra $300/month working while taking care of your kids" = we will hike for 2 hours.
When they don't make the $300 each month "its your attitude and your fault because you should neglect your family and work more hours !"
= People don't bring cloths and blankets to sleep on a beach
"Its their fault they did not prepare!"
@@Justkelseyagain You are too optimistic. People follow the dumbest and obvious shit when they are broken down and brainwashed.
It reminds me of the cult of the fake goddess, who tried to live in Hawaii. She was absolute bonkers, literally told people she is Christ with no evidence ofc and an alkoholic and there were people who let her abuse their kids and followed her. While she was chanching her narrative and drunk the whole time.
That sums her whole MO up quite nicely. Full of lies, contradictory statements and unrealistic expectations. Jessie Lee is everything a true/good leader is not.
As a lawyer, I can 100% agree! Proving intent can be SO hard. But here, it's on VIDEO that she said she INTENDED to BREAK them. And this whole waiver thing...she literally said she TRICKED them. How can you consent to something you have been tricked into doing???
I scrolled for so long to find a lawyer comment!! That last part was my exact thought. Isn't informed consent required for a waiver to be legally valid?
Did any of these people sue her? I mean I know she has passed away now of cancer but I'm wondering if anybody did
I think the thing that is the most upsetting is the lying. Because 1 million % if Jesse had told everyone "We are going on a 15 plus hour hike including swimming in the ocean and camping" everyone still would've went and been happy to go. But at least they'd have be able to trust their leader afterwards.
And the Diabetic girl wouldn't have had to be excluded because she'd have been able to prepare. My husband is type 1 and requires so so so so so much more prep than normal people. She could've been prepared.
Glad I saw this comment because I have a question about the type 1 diabetes. They made such a big deal about the candy bar and I thought that type 1 diabetes meant that you need insulin to level blood sugar, so a candy bar would have raised her blood sugar even more right? Or does the blood sugar teeter so that sometimes you need insulin for high blood sugar but if it dips too low you need sugar? Thanks and sorry if that's a dumb question but there's been so much talk about the woman and the candy bar.
Yes that's right Elizabeth. It should not go below 4 or above 14. If it's low then you need sugar to raise it. A small candy bar or a few jelly babies work but there are products made specifically for that. The more exercise you do, the more sugar you can tolerate and if it's too high, you can bring it down by walking around.
JLW obviously knows nothing about diabetes.
@@Lizzypoohxo Yes. Diabetics, especially type 1, can have volatile blood sugar and can absolutely go too low. It is affected by everything like how much insulin you've taken, physical activity, stress, how long its been since you ate, ect. Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) is incredibly dangerous and most people I know with diabetes keep some form of sugar on hand, whether it be glucose tablets, soda, or candy to use in an emergency. My cousin is type 1 and had a continuous glucose monitor that will alarm her and my father (she lives with us) that she has gone low. She has almost died several times and my dad has had to go in to wake her up and get her some form of sugar. Theres ever parameters you follow for how much to take and how long you should wait before you test your sugar again to see if you need to take more. It would be normal for this woman to have a candy bar. Maybe she was feeling low on the way there or took it before the "hike" because working out is known to lower blood sugar.
@@Lizzypoohxo Even Type 2s need sugar when their blood sugar drops, especially those who are insulin dependent.
@@ThatGirlJD oh gotcha. Thank you, I wasn't sure how that works.
She keeps talking about how grateful the attendees are. Keith Raniere to this day has faithful followers and supporters even in light of all the testimony that put him in prison for 120 years. It’s a moot point Jessie Lee, you’re giving serious NXIVM vibes girl.
I was just thinking of the nighttime calls, runs, and volleyball games 💀
seriously, she acts like she didn't conditioned them to be feel that way. The way she basically love bombed them after making them go through all that is so manipulative.
@@SniffyTugBoat yes yikes!
A few of the Manson girls are still alive and perfectly fine stating he was a great guy. The testimony is kind of... yeah.
Same with Warren Jeffs, despite all the evidence that put him away.
There’s something to be said about how well spoken, calm and data driven you are in this video and your content. Her behavior is always so jarring. Thank you for your coverage on this!
I completely agree!! And the perfect touch of spice ❤
Totally agree. A lot of people are mad at JLW and rightly so. I'm upset as well but as she is now, she is never EVER going to admit fault or walk her shit back. that's a loseing game that would ultimately bring us othing of value. Chelsea knows this and instead, channels her energy into what actually matters; showing any potential followers of JLW who she is and warning them by breaking down how messed up her actions truly are.
“We set the stage right.” NO. YOU DIDN’T. I’m a person who would have LOVED an excursion like this IF I had been mentally prepared for what to expect. Preparing for a 2 hour hike and being faced with something 8x that long would have messed me up. If only because I would have been so ANGRY that it would have ruined the experience.
The mental preparedness is huge for me! I live close to a creek and then further up is one of the tallest waterfalls in California. I prepare a little differently depending on which one I go to. If I'm going to the waterfall I wear my hiking boots, if I'm splashing around in the creek I wear my tennis shoes for example.
If I go to work knowing I'm going to have a 12 hour shift, I don't really mind it. If I'm scheduled for a 6 hour shift and have plans after work, I will probably be upset when I am told I need to work a 10 hour shift. The physical is hard to prep for if you don't know what you're getting into, but then add the mental aspect and that kicks it up a notch
My personal favorite as someone from the european North was: the Swedens were hot but I told them 90 days in advance to prepare.
You tell me a year in advance, I won't get more heat resistant. This is rediculous and ableist.
My thoughts exactly.
Same! There’s a reason some people hate surprises, even if they’re good surprises. Sometimes it’s a matter of logistics (especially if you are expected to bring your own supplies), but sometimes you just need some time to mentally run through the plan and ground yourself. Also, if a surprise activity is dropped on me, I feel like I don’t have the option to say no, which means I’m going to resent having to do it even if I might otherwise enjoy the activity.
Agreed! I would have adored preparing for an excursion like this as well as do it! Part of the challenge/fun is the physical and mental prep for a great trip.
You absolutely cannot tell how healthy someone is by how they look and that is incredibly ableist to say. In my 20's I was the skinniest I have ever been (5'7, 135-150) and I looked great on the outside, but I was a drug addict and was not healthy on the inside. Now I'm 36, clean and sober for over 6 years, and I'm at the heaviest weight I've ever been (over 200), but I'm also the healthiest I've ever been. I take care of my physical health now and go to the doctors regularly for lab work. The outsides do not always give a clear picture of the inside. Sure I could do some crazy things to lose weight but that would take away from all of the work I've done on my mental and emotional health, as well as my physical health that doesn't involve weight. As someone who has struggled with an eating disorder, has multiple mental health conditions, and has tried to unalive themselves before, I would rather be overweight and happy than skinny and miserable.
That’s so amazing that you have those years of sobriety and working on healing yourself from the inside 💜
@@chucklehead.smittythank you 💕🙌
Very well said! And congrats on your sobriety!
Amen to this. At my ED’s worst moments, I was at my skinniest and worked out like twice a day, 6 days a week. You could have looked at me and thought that I was the healthiest person ever… but I was so not okay, mentally or otherwise. Looking at someone to gage their health is completely wrong.
Also thank you for sharing your story 💕
This is exactly what I was thinking. I was in the best shape of my life in my mid twenties and then mid thirties but I was a drug addict lol so I was really sick and mentally unwell. Clean now for almost 6 years and the heaviest weight I’ve ever been. JLW has no idea what she’s taking about. She just needs to shut her mouth.
This woman...she really and truly believes her own hype and her own delusion. She OOOZES privilege, narcissism, "Im king shit" vibes.....her eventual fall will be so spectacular.
Hopefully it will be off a rock into the ocean in the dark in the middle of nowhere!😏
Wishful thinking.
Agreed but tbh her stage 4 diagnosis and lack of science-based management, seems like that spectacular fall 😬
Crazy reading these comments now...
@@0T772 turns out it wasn't
The “I’m still going well”, “we’re good, I don’t know what’s wrong with them”, “I slept like an angel” BS was so infuriating because, like you said, THEY were prepared, the others were not, including mentally prepared.
Which proves how lost and brainwashed her followers are. If they hear all this and STILL see nothing wrong with it and are ok with being treated that way, it just shows how lost they are to all this 🙁
What boggles me is that she comes up with this trip, she purposefully hides the true itinerary to break down her downline (she chose those words not any of us who weren’t there), talks about it in a poorly narrated fashion and then gets mad when people try to make sense of what she says…baby girl we’re just trying to understand the story you’re trying to tell 😂
“We did so and so and people were struggling. Sure I lied to them but they should’ve been prepared”
“Well yeah you lied to them”
“OMG WERE YOU THERE HOW WOULD YOU KNOW HAHA YOURE A DUMB COUCH POTATO”
“Um what? Im just pointing out what you just said”
“YOURE A WEAK HATER AND A LOSER”
Girl what?! 😂😂😂😂😂
Love it. You are 100% spot on!
Yeah, that's a perfect description od what is going on here. The mental gymnastics she must be doing to justify all that, not see the contradictions and still present this "I did nothing wrong" attitude is just astonishing
Sadly, she thought she was the epitome of “healthy” and now she’s dead. 😳
55:42 “You literally couldn’t even be real friends with us” is giving me major Mean Girls “you can’t sit with us” vibes. It also seems like she purposefully gate-kept information on how hard the hike was so that she knew she herself could do it at her own level of fitness, but to ensure everyone else struggled so that she could maintain a feeling of dominance and power over them. Super abusive and manipulative. Would love to see a psychologist react to/analyze this behavior. Great video CC!
I was thinking the same thing too. Like she wants/ needs to prove she’s the best but so insecure that she has to do it by pulling everyone else down..
That is why this entire situation scares me so much. I am the fittest I have ever been, I workout regularly and do weight lifting. I have health issues that I wouldn't disclose to people unless necessary, and I wouldn't think a 2 hour hike is necessary. I know I'd need medical intervention if I was put in that situation and it's really frightening to think people would put people they claim to know and care about in that situation
This is so important! I was on the flip end where i went with someone on a crazy long hike (planned) and it was fine but I found out later that they have a serious medical issue and it made me upset because it was just the two of us. I'd have absolutely panicked if something happened because I didn't know about that (we got in a fight about it afterwards actually). The fact that she told this story like it's a joke just goes to show how little empathy she has.
"This is what health looks like". Oh honey. 😔
In another person's live, it came out that the motorcycle wasn't an emergency vehicle but just a random person they flagged down from the side of the road. JJ, Erin, and Savannah reacted to it on a livestream.
I was so shocked when I saw that!!! Can you imagine getting on the back of a random motorcycle in a foreign country while you’re having a medical emergency? There are a few videos from the attendees who help paint a clearer picture. Apparently the plankton were in a lagoon and they didn’t jump into the ocean, they slept on lawn chairs on the beach, etc.
I had a hunch that JLW was exaggerating much of the story since she seems to do that in general with her storytelling and the participants' accounts seem to back that up. But JL still lied and mislead them and made them do things they weren't prepared for and then gaslit them when they struggled.
The whole thing is so disgusting. People don't deserve to be treated the way JLW treats them. I'm glad more awareness is being brought to this and I just hope it helps some people see the light and get out of pruvit, or any MLM for that matter.
It makes me so sad that she is sooo mean to her female followers, especially in comparison to how she speaks to her male followers.
Creating differences between genders or some other marker (finances, body type, etc) is a common cult tactic too. You get everyone under your spell. Then raise up people that will keep others in line for you. Then beat down a portion of the group. Think of the FLDS….
She embodies Pick Me behavior
I’m from Colombia and the heat there especially while hiking will literally make you wanna pass out, even if you don’t have any health problems. The mountains there are steep and they take time to climb. I don’t doubt that the trip was actually BRUTAL, her laughing is actually disgusting
Ughh! In her first video she claimed Columbia doesn’t have any hills. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
@@TheSamDee the whole entire country is full of mountains and hills and they’re not regular ones they’re enormous
These mountains are enormous (and gorgeous, I miss it) so them saying everything is flat and it was a straightforward walk, has me a little suspicious lol. The heat, the terrain, and the traffic they were walking through is sooooo dangerous.
Sitting at the ER with hubby passing kidney stones! THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD! I appreciate all your hard work! Congratulations on your pregnancy and I hope it goes well for you!
So sorry about the kidney stones! 😣
Feel better soon 💕
I hope your hubby feels better stone. Kidney stones are rough.
A Tordol shot 💉 works great for my hubby when he is passing kidney stones
@J F you got that right! That med was made for kidney stones and it's all that will touch it!
I have chronic illnesses, chronic pain, migraines 24/7, narcolepsy, IBS, etc.
And yet, somehow, because others think I’m pretty and they can’t physically see what I’m feeling at all times, they decide that means that it can’t be happening and I must actually be healthy. Flawless logic 🙃
Are you me? I seriously could have written this. Yep, and I love when people simultaneously don’t believe me and tell me my health issues are my fault. 🫠
I understand, and I believe you. Wishing you comfort and sending you hugs. ♥️
Same!! Sorry you both have to go through this crap too, but I am glad I'm not the only one. I keep thinking that maybe I should go to work looking absolutely horrible so people will BELIEVE me or take me seriously when I tell them I'm struggling/feel awful most days. But I don't want to look as bad as I feel, and I shouldn't have to...
Yes!!!!! Got my coffee! LETS GO!
Me too!!
Me too!! 😏☕️
Same! Lol perfect timing ladies
I’m convinced this is where we’ll find our people 😸☕️
@@SevenHunnid I do baking while high on my channel 😂
It’s Jessie posing and checking herself out the whole video for me 😂
Honestly this is a clear indication that Jessie has completely lost touch with reality. She was hardly grounded in reality to begin with, but this is seriously so beyond twisted and diabolical. I am absolutely bewildered that this happened. She intentionally put people in danger, even mentioned she wanted to scare them (during the water part of the hike) and didn’t care about the dangers they were unknowingly walking into!
Mateo: "Nobody was ever at a life risk or anything like that, and that's super ridiculous like even just thinking that it was that way."
Jessie Lee: "Two of our guides had to stay up all night long because it's apparently actually extremely dangerous, you could be kidnapped or whatever."
19:00 I’m soooo glad you caught that too. She changed the question to follow her new narrative that everyone is making up stuff, like we didn’t get it straight from the horses mouth ourselves.
I feel like something that everyone has forgotten to mention is that she told her team to pack accordingly. So not only are they walking for 15 hours not knowing where they are or where they're going, but they're carrying all of their stuff, their food, water, clothes, etc, with them. That's a workout for the ROTC, not a team building retreat.
She said she herself had water for 18hrs of 5 liters which equals to 5 kilos or over 10 pounds.
I would call anyone dumb who brings 10 extra pounds for a 2 hr hike just for themselves.
Yes. I thought that too.
It makes me so angry that she held her (lack of) body weight and so-called health over the heads of her team and the internet, when in reality her sudden thinness was probably a direct result of cancer. I’ve recovered from an eating disorder twice and I want to scream that thin does not automatically equal superior or healthy.
100% this! I have struggled with disorder eating bouncing between restrictive and binge eating. I am thin now but only because I am diabetic and on meds. I do not feel healthy at all! I felt healthier at 220 than 150.
She truly is like a female Keith Raniere but I hope she hasn't done anything nearly as destructive as he did that we don't know about yet. But her gleefully retelling the story, doubling down and playing the typical narcissist (DARVO) is astounding. It reminds me so much of how he recorded every thing and then said he was set up.
I've never had someone with qualities like hers literally record their story..and then record their new version as well. It's wild that we can clip direct quotes and put them next to each other, yet she's still manipulating people.
I'm mind-blown by it all haha
So basically... we should never believe what Jessie Lee says? Got it. 👍
People can totally say that something “changed their life”, but too many people don’t get that that doesn’t mean it was in a GOOD way! A tragic car accident changes your life too, Jessie
I feel like her shading the poor diabetic that was having blood sugar issues (most likely due to the fact jessi refused to allow them to be properly prepared) by saying in her ig caption she got to watch 15 (instead of 16) people go through a metamorphosis just shows how poorly she treats her team and how little she actually cares about their well-being. She’s honestly something more serious didn’t happen. Dropping clues like ‘be prepared’ is not the same as ensuring that if anyone on her team needed medication that they would bring enough for a whole day instead of what they perceived to be 2 hours. It’s flat out negligence.
omg i didn't even catch the 15 vs 16 people thing, its so cruel to think that you could've gone through a grueling experience and then get excluded from the "club" of approval because you had a medical condition or refused to follow her insane and crazy orders
Yes, when I heard “fifteen people,” when she said sixteen went, I immediately assumed she didn’t count the person who required medical evacuation.
Apparently they didn’t grow from their experience.
tysm jessie for giving my fav mlm girlies amazing content 🤣🤣🤣 ive been watching everyone talk about this mess LOOOL
Calling bs that she asked the diabetic if she had her insulin before they left - she described in detail in the first post how shocked and “why didn’t you tell me” she was that the girl was diabetic and passing out 45 minutes in
38:34 "or has cancer". It's SO eerie to look back at this live knowing what we know now
I've gone on a decent share of 13 hour hikes that involved just hiking, sometimes swimming, sometimes cooking, etc. and absolutely loved it but if someone told me they were taking me on a two hour hike and it turned into 15...I'd lose my mind. Like damn what if I had plans for later that day (also I need to be mentally prepared to be social for that long)
It's hilarious that she says "This is health" referring to herself when a few weeks ago on one of her lives, she showed how many injectables she's taking. I think it was 8 or 9 and they were all 'performance enhancing' type ones. So, not surprising but still infuriating that she's the epitome of false advertising. (DeeCee covered it in her 'Colombia Trip Prequel' video from 5 days ago.)
And knowing what we do now, which is that as she spoke in this video cancer was growing inside her, it's kinda haunting to hear her say, "this is health," while gesturing to herself. 😳
"I don't have lip filler"
*insert close-up of extremely obvious lip filler*
I hope my favorite TH-cam lawyers cover this case when the time comes 😃
I mean, not only did she lie to these people, she bragged about it (in her now deleted video 🙄). The nerve of this woman is just mind blowing.
So many things are worrying about this trip. I used to be a trip organizer for birding trips in a very remote part of Indonesia and no matter how many scenarios you pepare for there are always surprises.
What I think show how unprepared the tour leaders were (seems to me like both Sasha and Matteo were co-leaders w JLW) was that they came to the cave too late. In her deletd video she says that they were going to go inside a cave at the beach, but the tide was already too high for them to enter.
But WHAT IF they hadn''t been late and actually entered the cave?? And got caught in there by the tide? They had no clue about calculating with the tide at all, which lead me to the conclusion that they were not prepared at all.
Absolutely! Also I think the worst part was sleeping on the beach when the tour guide said it’s unsafe and people have gotten kidnapped before. 🤦🏼♀️
Watching in 2024 - her saying how healthy she looks and feels… 😬😬
She literally said that she was telling them to be in the best shape of their lives and work out every day leading up to the trip and then in this they're saying that the hike was beginner level and that even the unfittest person could manage it. Like which one is it?? If they didn't need to be fit to do this walk, then you don't get to berate them for being 'unprepared', and if it WAS hard, you don't get to underplay it as if you didn't put your downline through a physically and mentally gruelling experience.
I know I'm a year late but when he said the people at the top never hate downwards, it made my blood boil. like, billionaires hate poor people. these people clearly hold disdain to the people below them
Mateo, blink if you’re being held against your will😭😂
She definitely deleted the first video so that she could be all "Where?? I didn't say that" when someone questions her about the things she, herself, said. She seems to be trying to control the situation as much as possible.
The lack of accountability is psychotic 😢
I've watched 2 of the people who were their lives, Courtney who is JLs BFF and also Kristy the diabetic, and actually they corroborated everything JL said in that first live. And actually makes it worse. Cause apparently, they flagged down some rando who was on a motorcycle and had him take the woman to the next destination. They didn't get her medical help. 🤦
In her first video she said they flagged a stranger in a motorcycle to get lady to next stop. In this one she says the motorcycle was there for saftey???
congratulations on your pregnancy! and im glad youre covering this. i found a few new channels about this crazy columbia trip. they couldve gotten hurt, kidnapped in another country, etc.
Especially considering the fact that she never shuts up about her net worth and businesses, it only takes one person to over hear her, do a quick Google and bam, you and your team are held for ransom
@@jaycat3807 i know!! you have to be so careful to be safe traveling abroad. in my opinion thats not fun. she was SO LUCKY nothing bad happened from the outside, on the inside of her group she almost caused harm as it was.
It’s honestly so sad how insecure Jessie seems about her body, even now that she’s lost a ton of weight, when that pregnancy comment came up you could tell she was really bothered. It really seems like being skinny is the most important thing in the world to them. I know she’s the villain but I can’t help feeling sympathy for her
Massive congratulations on your pregnancy ❤️❤️ so happy for you ❤️
Thank you so much!!
I only watched the first half when it was first released, then it came up today when I was playing my “Watch Later.”
I felt sick because it started just before JLW starts in on how healthy she is, and how you can tell if someone is healthy by looking.
By this point, she had advanced cancer. She was diagnosed only weeks later with stage four colon cancer.
It’s so tragic. And I can’t finish it. Sorry, CC; it’s not your fault. It’s just hindsight.
Oh dude she's so fucking upset. And she CREATED this! Because she just had to tell her manic little story, running in place, bragging about how hard she made it for her team.
Isn't Jessie Lee's retreat society in a nutshell? Placing blame on the individual for not succeeding when society misled them and did not prepare them for what was to come. On purpose and with malicious intent, I should add.
Good point!
What is ironic is her saying she feels and looks healthy and hindsight being 20/20, she actually had cancer during that time 😖😬
Is she going to get sued for emotional damages or anything? I think she could.
Man - at about 36:51 when she disagrees with the comment that "you can't tell f someone is healthy by just looking at them" - she disagrees because "I think I look really healthy". She was RIDDLED with colon cancer by this point and had no idea.
Bet she's sat in the afterlife and saying
"f### it was all bulls##t"
Epitome of health she was not and gone at 35
@@londongalxyou mean to tell me she wasnt over 40 in this livestream??? well colour me shocked
@@abigailxmary😂 mu sister is 35 and does NOT look like this. I thought Jessie Lee was nearing 50.
Omg, she died!? Well if that isn’t ironic! 🤷🏼♀️ 🤦🏼♀️
I love your lawyer! 😂 Thank you for sharing her opinion on this, I was very curious!!
"i look like this, i am healthy" 😢 this aged like milk
Totally. Also, I'm wondering how much of her weight loss was due to her abilities and not stage 4 colon cancer...
@@cousindexter i think a lot of it but because she was also working on loosing weight, she thought she found a way that worked maybe. Under any other circumstances I think she would have checked it sooner. Also she said she passed blood cloths for four months and didn't bother to go to doctor.
I actually wonder if ketones had a link in her having the cancer being so agressive?
I can say 100% that a “walk” in Dallas is different than in Columbia. Even a “walk” in West Texas is different than North Central Texas. I’ve walked, hiked and climbed in the US and other beautiful countries. However I KNEW what I was getting into. I’m not in the best shape but I was able to prepare for the trips and I took more than 90 days to prepare. Informed consent is a thing…an important thing!!
Terrain and weather makes suuuuch a huge difference! Even if a person works out everyday it doesn’t mean they’ll be able to hike hilly terrain. When I was in Colombia, I went up La Piedra del Peñol. At the time I was playing volleyball for my college and worked out nearly everyday…and I was dyinggg by the time I got to the top of the rock. In order to train for that I would’ve focused on climbing. It’s annoying that JLW is pretending like working out for 90 days equates to the level of fitness she surprised her group with.
And why were they comparing Switzerland to the EQUATOR!!!!!☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️☀️
She reminds me of this one camp counselor I had one year, where, when I was too scared to go on the Alpine Tower(to the point to crying), she kept going "No, just go up, you'll be fine, you've got to push yourself!" But I was soBBING, about how scared I was of it, but she refused to let me leave until I tried. I couldn't even get up one step, because I was shaking, out of breath, and everything hurt.
I live in a chronic state of fear of being misunderstood. Goes back to my childhood of people just getting too tired of me or too worn out of listening to me that they just don't let me finish, so I just provide WAY too much information all at once just in case I get cut off or sent away. It's impossible to write comments that aren't huge paragraphs with editing after I've read it 2x. I live in FEAR of something like this where, if it IS a normal, perfectly safe, totally clear cut excursion that would have been fine for EVERYONE and no one could have problems with, but she just told the story really shit and didn't provide enough context and her exaggerations for effect were taken as fact. The difference is, in my opinion, the defensiveness. The WAY she goes about the second video. "this was out of context, I never meant THIS, I didn't say THAT!" she's so used to being attacked (questioned) she can't just explain "I left out some stuff, or I didn't remember this right, or I was joking here" it's just from 0 to 100 of "it's everyone misinterpreting my words cos they hate me!!!"
She is really trying her best to downplay everything by having the only two people that had all the info ahead of the hike back her up.
“Making me want to choose violence” saaaame girl. Same.
The German phrase is "a face in need of a fist"
Just added your video to the Colombia Fiasco playlist.
LOL
I just looked at hiking levels on the website of a personal development seminar. With the distance they traveled, the fact that they spent the night, and the remote areas they were allegedly in it’s automatically a level 4 (rating is up to 5).
What's so funny to me is throughout this whoooole video, she kept saying to stop watching videos of other people talking about her - the funny part is I haven't seen any of those videos! I had only seen the recording of HER talking about the hike and was shocked and concerned.
When filming you were 800 away but now it’s 500!!!! Almost there!!!
so closeeeeeee
2hrs verse 15hrs is a HUGE DIFFERENCE.... preparing for each one is totally different.... It's ridiculous that they are blaming the people for not being prepared....as they laugh at them... Infuriating!!!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯
I literally LOL when you said “Jessie Lee Ward, your best friend and mine.” I freakin’ love you ❤😂😂😂
Wow. I hate this. I love watching her get completely caught and jumbled up in her own lies. But I can’t stand listening to her voice tell those lies. Does that make sense? Lol. Thanks for saying what we are all thinking CC
CC, i had a good response to a commenter on one of these channels before, trying to defend behavior like this (Gag). I said "are you comfortable with being lied to? is that why youre responding like this?" NO ANSWER :P that is a valid question. are these people just comfortable with being lied to? I find it atrocious.
She's got them convinced it's for their benefit.
@@haven311 that too!
It so interesting 🤔 how these people seem to change the story (I love that you had pointed out that the initial video was deleted.) I am going to read some of Dr. Hasan's books. I think it's time. Thanks again for being a channel that talks about all of the different topics, people, etc. Almost to 100,000!!!
38:34 The part on looking skinny and having cancer is so accurate and sad in hindsight
My husband is T1D and it would be so dangerous for him to not know that he would be going for 15 mile hike. I truly can’t believe they are trying to make it seem like it was fine and nothing was dangerous, diabetes is not something to play around with.
Edit: also I don’t know if the person is type 1 or 2 but it would be an issue with type 1 because physical activity makes them need more carbohydrates/sugary snacks.
I am clueless about diabetes. But I heard that insulin needs to be cooled. I would assume anything over 25°C will make it spoil and useless.
You can have a cooler for 2hrs but 15 hours?! Idk.
Do you have any Informationen what diabetics need to do when having insulin on them during hikes?
Cc I love that you are more active especially during pregnancy! It's not easy to do what you do and I appreciate that you show us the extreme cases of people like this! 💯
A CC video to get me through my morning work duties?! Yes please!!
it’s really freaking scary and eerie to hear her say that she feels healthy and you can tell by looking at her that she’s healthy when she had terminal cancer brewing in her body as she said that
It would be totally different if she was like "I learned a lot from this, and next time I plan to xyz so this doesn't happen again." That would be all of the leadership and growth that she talks about, not doubling down and insisting everything was their fault.
Good morning guess it's time for me to get up, get some coffee, and listen to Chelsea 💖
Can't wait for you to get that plaque! You deserve it girl!
Found you and now I have to watch everything!!!
Welcome!!!
So close to 100k, let’s go!!!!
CONGRATS TO HITTING 100K SUBS!
What a foul person she was.
“How do you know they didn’t sign paperwork” wtffffffff
A million dollars says she’s gonna use that one word “influencer” and milk it for all its worth without reading any of the article.
Also “I wanted to see who would blame others” like girl that’s what you’re doing saying “it’s their fault they didn’t prepare”
Last edit I promise: I asked every single co-worker I have if they had heard of Jesse Lee and every single one said no 😂
Thanks Jessie Lee. I will tell my pancreas to make insulin from now on. Wish I knew this was a possibility sooner.
Oh yay, was just looking for something to listen to! Appreciate you!
Also, how rude it is to ask someone else to speak and then constantly put yourself in front of them, interrupt them, be noise, walk around/in front of them.. Cheesus
CC you're looking great, I'm so happy for your little baby. I've taken a lil break from anti mlm and stuff, all this has brought me back in fully. Thanks for all the great content this is so crazy to me!!