Homeworld 2 Complex Mod HGN vs VGR No Lags Epic Battle 5

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  • Homeworld 2 with Complex Mod. Benchmark gametype.
    Epic warfare.
    If you like this video try to see my previous videos.
    Used music:
    1. Future World Music - Victory Of Life
    2. Future World Music - Passion Of Victory (Piano Intro)
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  • @jonhilke
    @jonhilke 9 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    Homeworld is king still after all these years.Long live Homeworld,

    • @neglesaks
      @neglesaks 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Jon Hill Long Live Hiigara.

    • @xX123Dorian123Xx
      @xX123Dorian123Xx 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Jon Hill My life for Aiur!

    • @neglesaks
      @neglesaks 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      HomelessGaming
      POWER OVERWHELMING!

    • @Nor7hernWa7ch
      @Nor7hernWa7ch 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +neglesaks Iseedeadpeople

    • @neglesaks
      @neglesaks 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nor7hernWa7ch
      In Soviet Homeworld, dead people see YOU

  • @tylersloeper
    @tylersloeper 8 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Its neat to see battles presented over a planet, instead of just in space.

    • @johnassal5838
      @johnassal5838 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's visually amazing but it doesn't make a lot of sense strategically to hem yourself in. Beyond just limiting half your freedom of movement there's the gravity well not that we're ever burdened with that concern in the game. There's just a lot of reasons they wouldn't fight like that unless it's like one of those unplanned engagements that happen in real life after disparate elements contact the enemy and after each side calls for reinforcement a few times you get a major battle where nobody expected or intended one.

    • @Mrmaverickism
      @Mrmaverickism 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnassal5838 just imagine they are extremely high over a giant planet and there is no gravity the clouds are just so big it looks like they are in atmosphere

    • @dantheultimate2497
      @dantheultimate2497 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mrmaverickism Unless they're all in a stable orbit they would still just fall down no matter how far away they are from a planet. Gravity doesn't just disappear.

    • @subatomicseal7789
      @subatomicseal7789 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dantheultimate2497Yeah and spaceships wouldn't use broadsides to fight each other, they'd be using railguns or lasers or missiles or something from beyond visual range; and space fighters don't leave cool glowy trails, and there aren't magic hyperspace cores that let you teleport across half the galaxy. If sci-fi was entirely realistic, it'd be boring as hell to most people.

  • @FrigidFriar
    @FrigidFriar 9 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    'No Lags'
    > Posts a video with constant lag ;)

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You don't know how is laggy this game. Large-scale battles have 10-15 FPS while recording. Аfter 2:10 image is smooth (~30 fps),and farther fps increases. And don't forget - in complex, lod(level of detail) system removed - you always see best model and texture).
      I made special version of complex mod for movies: optimise map, remove all unnecessary scrits, search ideal fleet size and more...
      In previous video (battle 4) i make more large battle, and after 1:50 video looks smooth.

    • @FrigidFriar
      @FrigidFriar 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've played it, and while fraps doesn't help, it is very much system dependent. I don't get lag at all.

    • @CloseWave
      @CloseWave 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The lag is the latency due of connection, in this game there is just a fps drop ^_^ game itself is not laggy

    • @christoffelmiddel6663
      @christoffelmiddel6663 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      just play gearbox homeworld remastered edition, It has no lag on next gen pc.

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Judge Dredd no lag while no mods )))

  • @misstriss
    @misstriss 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am so happy to see Homeworld make a return, they were just amazing games, and it's good to see all the renewed interest.

  • @mworldnetwork
    @mworldnetwork 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Perfectly made, editing. Music. Everything is top notch. The best Homeworld video on TH-cam. Without any doubts. Great job.

  • @ElleRoni
    @ElleRoni 9 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    That's a super cool skybox, I can buy it being the upper atmospheres of some abyssal gas giant.

    • @neglesaks
      @neglesaks 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ElleRoni Breach in starboard fusion chamber.

  • @Lukes3D
    @Lukes3D 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Homeworld has amazing graphics. Although you never get a chance to look at it because your to busy managing your fleet. If your watching the battle, your probably doing something wrong like not producing more units or missing enemy movement somewhere else on the map.

  • @cuddlebuff
    @cuddlebuff 9 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Can you imagine if the background in this actually moved as if they were really above the clouds?

  • @Rocinante158
    @Rocinante158 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Atmospheric battles are atmospheric.

  • @MW-cx3sb
    @MW-cx3sb 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Can't wait for the mod community to get working on homeworld remastered

  • @moguldamongrel3054
    @moguldamongrel3054 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:00 I spy with my little eye, a taiidan heavy cruiser!

  • @Astroscopic
    @Astroscopic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hoping we get some missions similar to this when Homeworld 3 comes around, looking forward to that

  • @hyperionalziz
    @hyperionalziz 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love it from 4:00...to end... So great... with so cool music...

  • @Bjoern211
    @Bjoern211 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    nice.. can't wait to get Homeworld remastered on steam in a few days. :D

  • @markmark7231
    @markmark7231 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! i miss these epic battles in EVE online

  • @magicmulder
    @magicmulder 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the fight in the clouds. :)

  • @epicfailurecz2083
    @epicfailurecz2083 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video... but looks more epic with Bear McCreary's "Storming New Caprica" playing in the backround ;)

  • @bynunenkim603
    @bynunenkim603 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    uahh...i definitely should try that one it looks so nice!!

  • @varis2000
    @varis2000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very pretty and well made.
    I wonder what is changed in the Complex mod, the background here is strikingly different and I think they've made a bunch of new weapons and utilize some new ship hulls.

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      So, this backround not from original Complex mod, it from "Complex Simple". And developers of complex mod not include this in Complex 10.

  • @Phrancis5
    @Phrancis5 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I still love HW2 after all these years and it's awesome playing it on a modern PC with 2560 widescreen monitor, but my "complex mod" looks different. My upgraded battlecruisers have more extra weapons that standard HW2, but not as many as in your video...

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use Complex 8.4.3

  • @Ama-hi5kn
    @Ama-hi5kn ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel for that poor CPU that had to deal with that. But lovely video. 🥰

  • @devonmarr9872
    @devonmarr9872 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty sure the visual effects artist for enders game loves this mod

  • @thunderblade6615
    @thunderblade6615 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was EPIC!!!!

  • @Nine-Signs
    @Nine-Signs 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    And remember kids, this game is 15 years old, so ask yourselves why your games are mostly crap today.

    • @AndreiAndrei-pg8eg
      @AndreiAndrei-pg8eg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      18 years now and counting

    • @Nine-Signs
      @Nine-Signs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AndreiAndrei-pg8eg I stand hapilly corrected.

    • @catsareamazing3616
      @catsareamazing3616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      But sins of a soler empire isn't crap

    • @Nine-Signs
      @Nine-Signs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@catsareamazing3616 Very true! a marvellous game, but Sins was an indie project that cost half a million to make so on the same scale of development as home world, not a AAA multimillion project with a multibillion dollar corporation behind it which was the type of game and development I was taking aim at ;o)
      Only problem with sins is a problem shared by many an indie/small development, no threading to allow for multicore support causing it to lag like a mofo when in large games.
      Something home world despite how long ago it was built, doesn't suffer from. To me it remains the second best RTS ever built and certainly the best space based RTS ever built.

    • @Flasyprawn
      @Flasyprawn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      New games aren't crap. No need to put down new things to elevate older ones.

  • @tatsuuuuuu
    @tatsuuuuuu 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    holy shit! have my like!

  • @thebighurt2495
    @thebighurt2495 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOLY. FUDGE. That was cool.

  • @DogDevilman
    @DogDevilman 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    LEGENDAIRE

  • @arkanesh
    @arkanesh 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this is really epic! Homeworld is one of the best games ever...
    what kind of music is that? i like it too.

  • @davidneo3940
    @davidneo3940 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like an average alliance war in Eve. Like. x)

  • @587shadow
    @587shadow 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive always wanted to make a homeworld 2 video like this

  • @dukoth6552
    @dukoth6552 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    can't wait for complex 10, with 2 new races to play with

  • @BringDHouseDown
    @BringDHouseDown ปีที่แล้ว

    lol the clouds look better than the ships

  • @user-im6cf9tw3v
    @user-im6cf9tw3v 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Круть!!! Когда?

  • @ironcross3417
    @ironcross3417 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Zajebiste.

  • @josephstalin6549
    @josephstalin6549 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty nice but kinda feels weird with the debree being stationery.

  • @badshootykat5574
    @badshootykat5574 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anything Homeworld.... i just liek it! xD

  • @asaxander740
    @asaxander740 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait til remastered comes out!

  • @okkful
    @okkful 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    wow i miss this game so much

    • @RanaRandom
      @RanaRandom 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You'll be happy to know the COMPLEX is being rebuilt for the Homeworld 2 REMASTERED, as far as I know. :D

    • @Ethereal-ss3jh
      @Ethereal-ss3jh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And you'll be happy to know Homeworld 3 is now in the making....
      Praise Sajuuk.

  • @KYLETIBOR
    @KYLETIBOR 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why the hell does everyone fly straight at each other? Its 3D for a reason!

    • @neglesaks
      @neglesaks 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kyle Tibor For the same reason that movie actors always run away from a huge incoming object AT THE SAME AXIS as that.

    • @michaeledmunds1767
      @michaeledmunds1767 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      There isn't a flanking bonus.

  • @HelexisyIrhaal
    @HelexisyIrhaal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    we may have lost some wars we may hve lost some battles BUT WE WILL NOT LOSE EARTH!! not TODAY not TOMMOROW NOOOOOT EVERRRRRRR

  • @nasserm20
    @nasserm20 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    can't wait to see this on HW2 Remastered :)

    • @kaiserdragon33
      @kaiserdragon33 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      nasserm20 considering homeworld 2 has the biggest mod and good graphics i still dont get why i should buy homeworld 1 remastered with pretty graphics only.

    • @nasserm20
      @nasserm20 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Homeworld Remastered is HW1+HW2 Remastered + HW1+HW2 Classic. and the Remastered version runs on improved HW2 engine. I think such an offer is worth it for that price and u can sure wait for sales and get it for a lower price too

    • @nasserm20
      @nasserm20 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lex Radzinger wat is broken mess ?

    • @nasserm20
      @nasserm20 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lex Radzinger I don't agree with u about that. I prefer HW2 style. I don't think light ships with just back engines should act like turrets ... I prefer HW2 style over HW1 though would like that add the ability to modify the primary target for a group of ships.

  • @bobyork6248
    @bobyork6248 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    did i see a Tiidani heavy cruiser from Homeworld 1
    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    • @loganeric9515
      @loganeric9515 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Bob York The Imperialist Taiidan did join the Vaygr so it makes sense that they could be using an old Imperialist HW1 era ship.

    • @bobyork6248
      @bobyork6248 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah it would

  • @V4zz33
    @V4zz33 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you guys try Imperium Galactica 2 ?

  • @shushpanchicusrex6410
    @shushpanchicusrex6410 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    tons of lags actualy( but still nice!

  • @VelveteenVermilion
    @VelveteenVermilion 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm annoyed that the higgarin destroyer kinda does nothing it refuses to get into the fray and sits about a safe distance away.

  • @Nine-Signs
    @Nine-Signs 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The new battlestar Galactic (2003>) ripped off homeworld to the enth degree. The cylon base stars and the woman in the bathtub that acts as the central mind of the ship for one example... ? Mothership, online.

  • @TheVanillatech
    @TheVanillatech 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No lags? I see about 12fps sometimes...

  • @michal4736
    @michal4736 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    If it is on the planet so ... where is GRAVITY to bring down shards and scrap? ;_; Otherwise rly cool :)

  • @UrokLizard
    @UrokLizard 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the sky backdrop ruined it for me. These are huge, bulky ships with nowhere near the amount of propulsion required to fight off a planetoid's gravity. Should have had a space-like backdrop instead.

  • @sinOsiris
    @sinOsiris 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    back to basic patterning electronic jammer all over the field lines....
    USAF SF seems coherent

  • @user-iu6pn8fl2d
    @user-iu6pn8fl2d 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    either those are the biggest clouds EVER or the ships are tiny

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      it is just a custom mod. those clouds are simple texture on skybox. I chose dat background for fun and beauty. not for realism.

    • @user-iu6pn8fl2d
      @user-iu6pn8fl2d 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha nice... sure looks funny

    • @Blackrook32
      @Blackrook32 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually like the background. Is this map included on the latest Complex HW remastered mod?

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      No

  • @user-vs7jg2pb2j
    @user-vs7jg2pb2j 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    베이ㅓ 졸멋이네 ㄷㄷ

  • @ava9oh1282000
    @ava9oh1282000 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    if only this mostill worked, or any of the mods for these games, they need to fix whatever bug screwed everything up.

  • @JeremyGalloway
    @JeremyGalloway 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    No lag, but framerate peaks at 10fps :)

  • @RanaRandom
    @RanaRandom 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    2018

  • @bluethundar
    @bluethundar 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    what map is this? and is it part of complex 8.4.3 package?

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Custom map. Map script from benchark (gametype), background i found in complex simple mod.

  • @okinawadreaming
    @okinawadreaming 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I prefer space battles.

  • @orvillekidder9901
    @orvillekidder9901 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ship under attack. What's our damage? Ship lost.

  • @renovatiovr
    @renovatiovr 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those clouds look like a windows xp 2d wallpaper.. Also, why remove system lower textures for preload? 5- 10 fps also look kinda meh. There is no need to mess with game textures. In the end, results are not satisfying enough to sacrifice 60 fps.

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RENOVATIO this lag comes from complex mod (too many ships for this mod). no one pc can handle it. And this background is not a texture! Homeworld uses sphere with colored vertexes for backgrounds. More you can read here simonschreibt.de/gat/homeworld-2-backgrounds/

    • @renovatiovr
      @renovatiovr 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Роман Горбунов I respect your work but don't you think performance should come first?

    • @JuggernautProducts
      @JuggernautProducts 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Роман Горбунов No ones PC can handle it? I've handles battles just as big as that with no problem what so ever. Probably even bigger.

  • @Spudtron98
    @Spudtron98 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I want the ships without the bullshit that comes with complex.

    • @mworldnetwork
      @mworldnetwork 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lol

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      smoke guides, and make your mod with blackjack and ...

    • @Migman2020
      @Migman2020 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is exactly the kind of mod i made.. They made so many nice ships in this mod that they then decided to try remake homeworld 2 and added so much BS to it that it effectively turned it into a massive slug fest.. Overall its one the worst mods for games i have ever seen.. If you check out my channel and look up the homeworld trailer i was working on a mod a few years back that had alot of this ships in it etc without none of the dumb BS that came with complex mod 8 etc.. I would not surprise me if they try and charge a fee in the future to get the latest versions..

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      gold elmo You just stole the units from another mod. Your mod - is banal unitpak. There came a lot, but nobody plays in these mods.

    • @Migman2020
      @Migman2020 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well considering i never released it you don't know what your talking about. Since i added a lot of new weapons in it as well with a load of other interesting ideas..

  • @colonelgraff9198
    @colonelgraff9198 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Group One Designated

  • @andreasgorny2104
    @andreasgorny2104 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I get the mod?

  • @The_Lunch_Man
    @The_Lunch_Man 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "No lags"
    Are you sure about that?

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a clickbait from 2014

  • @SilverusDragonitos
    @SilverusDragonitos 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    no lags shure dude

  • @Micropoint.
    @Micropoint. 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ヽ༼ ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉ ༽ノ *No Lag*

  • @pixlpotions
    @pixlpotions 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lol no lags

  • @SloppyMcFloppy1029
    @SloppyMcFloppy1029 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do you get those preset battles?

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +juul wallraf (crack) | I modder, i edit some files, starting fleets and etc.

    • @SloppyMcFloppy1029
      @SloppyMcFloppy1029 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Роман Горбунов ah ok

  • @farfromthesoul
    @farfromthesoul 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    which map is this?

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Map from 8.4.3 complex mod, Benchmark gametype, but i change background and remove sun and other stuff from map.

  • @Xedin0805
    @Xedin0805 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    как установит моды?

  • @aaronnavarro6083
    @aaronnavarro6083 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello.. what map is it? look nice

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Aaron Navarro | This map don't exist anymore. Background from some map in comlex simple and structure from comlex benchmark map.

  • @Stedman75
    @Stedman75 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    how the piss do you get starspheres like that, jesus.

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      mod. it's background.

    • @Stedman75
      @Stedman75 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Роман Горбунов I dont believe that was the answer to the question i asked.

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stedman75 oh. my english is so bad. This background i found in complex simple mod. And i think you need this forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?148734-Homeworld2-Background-Builder-v1-3 (instruments for creating backgrounds).

  • @anima69
    @anima69 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Лучщая космическая игра, новой и лучще нет и небудет ((

  • @jeffjr84
    @jeffjr84 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    if you try to play a quick game of complex your making a huge mistake. some complex matches can go for days if you let them.

    • @SithicusPL
      @SithicusPL 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Playing player game vs 5 Hard AI - usually takes me less then 3 hours to finish the game.
      Playing vs human - less then 2 hours.
      I'm still playing Complex on and off since version 6 came out - (in 2008)
      I've also play Complex Enchanced and recent Comlex MIX but I still keep coming back to original version.
      The good news in that with the upcoming release of HW Remastered - we're expecting Complex 10 :)

    • @jeffjr84
      @jeffjr84 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      i try to drag em out as long as i possibly can when i play usually. they can last a really really long time. or you can go for the throat and wind it up quick. downside is after loading your skirmish a few times it can get buggy. hope they fixed this on the remastered version

    • @SithicusPL
      @SithicusPL 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you start from low rank (0 Honor Points) and few ships?

    • @jeffjr84
      @jeffjr84 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ya. i will set it low crew, start from lowest RU, super long battles ect. makes for really long games. its fun like that but the AI will swarm you if ur not careful. they did really good on the AI for complex.

    • @SithicusPL
      @SithicusPL 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Complex 9.1 is available right now from Steam Workshop. I'll see you in space.

  • @markedgaranderson5169
    @markedgaranderson5169 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do you do this plz tell me

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Quite long time ago (in 2014) there are Benchmark game type in Complex Mod
      It has big starting fleets and some ai, that sends attack command for every unit.
      Also it has auto cinematic camera.
      I make some adjustments (changed background, startingfleets and visual range for some ships)
      You can find that game type in Complex 8.4.3 version (but i don't know where you can download it in 2018)

    • @markedgaranderson5169
      @markedgaranderson5169 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      thx

    • @shouvahjeetchakravarti6843
      @shouvahjeetchakravarti6843 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Роман Горбунов Has there been anything as epic as this on HW Remastered yet?

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know. Last time played in 2015

  • @Alvargon
    @Alvargon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "No lag" 😅

  • @Dermeister009
    @Dermeister009 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    So much lag lol

  • @Splatterpunk_OldNewYork
    @Splatterpunk_OldNewYork 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bye bye computer.

  • @JJrandomVids
    @JJrandomVids 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to cheat the money please help ty

    • @last8exile
      @last8exile  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      try searching for x4 of value. If you have 1000 search for 4000

  • @kaiserdragon33
    @kaiserdragon33 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dont understand the hype for homeworld remastered.. i have been playing homeworld 2 complex and its brilliant with all the stuff it has added, why would i play the first homeworld just with better graphics compared to those of homeworld 2 ?