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- Much of what our society considers common knowledge about sex offenders is currently under debate - from the efficacy of the registry, to housing restrictions, to what treatment, if any, works. One of the most controversial practices is “dead time” - where sex offenders stay in prison for years beyond their sentence, simply because there is no where else for them to go. VICE News’s Alice Hines reports on how our society’s efforts to protect the public from violence ended up backfiring.
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Really mf? Even NFT’s are sexist now? 🤨
Why do you agree with pedophiles
Anyone who has sympathy for a pedo must secretly be a pedo.
@@supercharger5727 bc they're pedos who want to come out of the closet
This is a terrible documentary. Trying to make sex offenders the victim is wrong.
I love the sheriffs response "dont be a sex offender if you don't want to be on the sex offender list"
"People die when they are killed"
WOW REALLY?
THANK GOD I DIDN'T KNOW
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(OP) *_|||"I love the sheriffs response, 'dont be a sex offender if you don't want to be on the sex offender list' "|||_*
I don't know what is worse: the fact that the sheriff even said this, your support for his saying it, or the fact that you don't see what's wrong with it.
All his statement has done is show a dishonest unwillingness to assess the situation at hand: that sex offenders had served their time, some unfairly so, and should be given the right to properly reintegrate back into society as productive citizens, so that they don't repeat their old criminal ways.
Sweeping an issue under the rug doesn't nullify that the issue is still there
If Lord forbid your own beloved male family member got placed on the registry, deserved or not, and he struggled his after-prison life away trying to maintain even a meager existence, I hope you have the nerve to tell him to "[not] be a sex offender, if [he doesn't] want to be on the sex offender list."
@@achen5689 People don't like to Synaptics with those who have made mistakes. People are extremely closed minded and don't want to admit just how complex it actually is.
sure if the system was infallable then i would agree. there are plenty of falsely accused men on the SOF list.
His response is his opinion and he has the right to. However tax payers do not elect sheriffs to be the judge or jury. He doesn't get to decide if someone that committed a sex offense gets a slap on the wrist or not, the legal system decides that. I think police need really have that drilled into their head because, too often they believe they get to hand out a sentence.
Did she really say it's absurd to ban sex offenders from working as ice cream truck drivers, Santas or Easter bunnies??? That's literally the most common sense law I've ever heard of. Makes sense to me.
Show and example of a sex offender that drove an ice cream truck. Who?
@@chrisgo6478 Sex offenders, particularly those who abuse children, should not be allowed to work in close proximity to children (their prime victims). Why on God's green Earth does this need to be explained to you? Even if ice-cream man wasn't the greatest example, you get what they're trying to say. I swear, yall TH-cam commenters be arguing just for the sake of it. Why are you being a contrarian for the sake of p*dophiles and r*pists, is the better question. Not every devil needs an advocate.
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That's like saying SO can live with a single mother who works and he is her babysitter = SO's dream.
I thought that too. I'm like, actually that sounds like a good idea... predators purposefully choose roles/jobs like that to access kids so it does make sense to ban known sex offenders from that. That's the least we can do, lol.
What is concerning is that there is not a “murderer” registry. Someone could be released after killing someone, move next door to your family, and you will NEVER know unless they tell you
Abolish the registry
Because, for instance, there is a difference in being put on a registry for murder when it was a crime of passion than if you were put on a registry for a crime of passion with a minor.
@@danhibiki5687 there should be a registry for every crime if we have it for the one or just abolish it
@@nickdelaney6953 found the guy that isn’t allowed near Chuck E. Cheese
Shits back asswards
what the hell was this even about? extremely disappointing, my heart goes out ONLY to the victims of these offenders.
Too bad the redhead is a pedo sympathizer.
They have a sick mind. They can't control it because if they could, they would not harm kids knowing the consequences
@@konyvnyelv.Then invite them to live with you
@@NunoFilipe99 they should be put in an area for them alone. Off kids
@@konyvnyelv.They might not control their attraction/thoughts however they CAN control their actions, they choose to commit a sexual offense.
You can’t rehabilitate someone who will not admit what they’ve done.
What's the point of them admitting anything or bettering themselves? They're going to be on the list either way.
try harder
@@PieInTheSky9 they deserve to be in that list.
@@isarainie4ever they deserve a lot more than that.
sexual preferences no matter what cannot be changed. NONE of them can be fixed. They like what they like. Same as anyone. Remove them from society permanently. I don't care how. Some have 100's of child victims.
I was raped by 2 guys when I was 10. That day I lost my innocence, it changed my life forever, we never forget... it's been 45 years now. Sex offenders are monsters.
Well the one that know what there doing are, but it's no impossible for a sex offender to be mentally ill.
That's horrible, but "sex offenses" cover a very wide range of crimes with a very wide range of severity.
I hope they were caught. That's horrible
@@Dennis-nc3vw"Thats horrible But..." what a cruel and totally unnecessary comment.
I wish the cops would have gone after the guy that abused me when I was a kid.
"This is how we live. It's a bad experience."
Yeah, so is being raped or molested. Are we really supposed to feel bad for these people?!
Exactly!
Exactly! All I see when it shows all these people is the potential victims and their struggles and trauma. How old was their victim? How long did it go on for? But none of them even care, they just care about themselves and how sorry they are for themselves.
Hush not all these people deserve to be there
Yes, though we have to remember, these guys did do some bad things.
@@Chris-Clips-Games Well, I don't.
The reporter is showing a lot of sympathy for people who have ruined people’s lives forever
Vice news is a joke. This is disgusting and nobody should take this seriously
This is what i said about this WOKE video. They are trying to normalise peados.
When shes talking to that cop. One of the reasons that the numbers of sex offenders hasnt gone down IS DUE TO MASS PORNOGRAPHY. she is highly condescending to someone who works in this area with VICTIMS she seems a bit WOKE 🤨🤨🤨🤨and irritating. Immature. I find her on the psychopathic spectrum a peado apologist
A sex offenders comfort is not worth my safety or the safety of others.
It's definitely not worth the safety of children.
But does it keep society safe, that’s the question.
@@cormacthem8406 yes, most sex offenders will attack again.
@@cormacthem8406children are the most vulnerable of society
??? you could use this same argument against any type of violent criminal. A civilised society works to understand and rehabilitate. Locking up child molesters won't forever banish it from happening. It will only make you feel superior and violate basic aspects of the justice system and human rights.
They had DNA, he was picked out of a lineup, and he confessed - but he won’t even acknowledge he committed a crime.
He obviously needs help. It's really sad to see.
DNA isn't foolproof (though usually "good enough"), and eye-witnesses are _notoriously unreliable_ and that's just when third-parties witness something, let alone actual victims, especially victims of this, which usually make a point of looking away or closing their eyes; they don't normally look the attacker in the face and make eye-contact. Not to mention the race-blindness. Chances are he's guilty, but it's hardly a demonstrable fact.
You need to leave all this stuff on vice and you still are ignorant.
You shouldn't try a minor as an adult.
….and then he sent a wee wee picture to the producer.
No sex offender should get out of prison LMAO. How do you rehabilitate someone that rapes kids????
.. as if that's the only type of sex offender
I think if depends on Thier crimes... some are just traps by the PDs . Who I am.to judge them.
Ignorance is a problem.
Lead injections
"Sexting with your SO if they're underage" is an interesting way to say grooming a minor...
Sexting a minor is considered sexual abuse. It’s already past the point of grooming when they are texting the victim sexually explicit statements or content.
Shes a psychopath shes woke. Extreme liberalism is dangerous
She thinks that banning sex offenders and pedophiles from dressing up as Santa and the Easter bunny is absurd ?? Really??
It really isn't difficult to understand why. Those professions allow you access near children. If you have a working brain you'd easily understand why they are prevented from doing that
She did not say that.
@@davidkeogh9276 then what did she say?
So now you want me to tell you what she said,give me a break.
@@davidkeogh9276 ok, if their eyes and ears tell them one thing, and you say another, the burden of proof is yours, they can easily continue believing their eyes and ears, and why shouldn’t they?
"nothings gonna stop me. Not DNA. Not someone's opinion." Man is positively thinking his way out of sexual assault. This dude is completely separated from reality.
He's a good example of why the sex offender registry should exists
How do you accidentally sent a peen pic.
@@astrozooBut still many don't register. It shouldn't be voluntary, but mandatory to register.
@@TeaCup1940 I don't know about other sates, but in California it's mandatory
@@astrozoo It should be abolished
Always be very cautious of anyone/organization trying to soften you up on things like pedos/sex offenders
Exactly 💯
really strange that she was defending sex offenders in this documenatry! While she was talking with them, she was smiling, acting compassionate etc, but as soon as she was talking to officials, her tone, energy was combative. Extremely strange, and i think quite telling in regards to the character of the journalist, but also of Vice's editorial line here. Why would Vice be comfortable releasing this, they should be ashamed. Now we know why they are going bankrupt.
@@bigmac786 She reeks of daddy issues and seems to have a chip on her shoulder about law enforcement. Classic vice "journalist".
@@spennydawg4487 and yet here you are, spending your valuable time watching "Vice journalism". That chip looks pretty massive on your shoulder, buddy.
Hohoho you got me! Stop projecting like butthurt loser haha@@ThurstonWatt
Sorry vice you lost me on this one. We have scores of inmates on non violent offenses suffering needlessly and I’m gonna go ahead and give my sympathy to them instead of the rapists.
When they say so called sex offences it means things like public urinarion(for exposure ), two minors have sex or sexting etc
@@seankelly378except that’s not what happened here lmao.
There are people like that who are registered sex offenders, too. I know an excellent mother who can’t go to her kids’ school because she was an alcoholic . She peed in the alley more than once, because she had a weak bladder and impaired judgment. I saw her paperwork.
Oops…just finished reading the thread. I agree that Vice chose poor examples. I think this episode gives people who peed or changed clothes while homeless a disservice.
@@seankelly378 Why not try actually looking at your local registry it shows the crimes they were convicted and put on the registry for... I almost guarantee you will be hard pressed to find many if any of those types of cases around you. Most of them have horrible cases with extremely young victims a lot of them multiple victims and convictions.
Maybe 1% of people on the registry are on there for undeserved things like public urination. Within 50 miles of my house I can only find one person who maybe shouldn't be on there because he was 21 and hooked up with a 17 year old. The rest all very much deserve to be on there and many don't deserve freedom or even air for that matter...
im alone and laughed out loud at "there's this... stigma... around sex offenders"
😂 right, There should be a stigma.
Can you guess what the people who made this show enjoy?
@@Cryaboutmyhandle sex offenders
There should not be if you are a very good singer or dancer. Or if you had the mind of the child.🤷♂️👨👦😇
It’s not a stigma, it’s a fact
What the cop said "don't commit sex offences if you don't want to be on the register " is exactly how I feel about them too. If you've done the crime then it's too bad if people stigmatise you, because, you can be sure, your victims will have to live with your actions for life, so why are you wanting special treatment? They are not babies and are not usually mentally ill, they know what they are doing is wrong, so they should just grow up and accept the punishment. I am sure their victims don't want to hear about their housing problems and neither do the majority of the public. If you cannot do the time, don't do the crime! Of course, I am not speaking about people who were convicted for oral sex and digital penetration at age 15, but, as I write this I am thinking how old was the victim, as this is what will define this crime. I think there should be clear distinction between the types of crimes and I get the feeling that she's playing down his crime and the inconsistencies in the register. I really don't think you get on the register accidentally, I think you have to have been proved a danger. I really think she's trying to downplay the importance of these rules and, I wonder, if she would feel the same if she'd been a victim.
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There really are people on the registry who were falsely accused and wrongly convicted or something less serious like peeing out in the public.
But why do we have a registry for sex offenders if not for every other kind of offense?
I'm pretty sure there are different levels, or tiers, of the SOR, from low-risk to high-risk in terms of danger to the public.
Unfortunately, being on that list at all is incredibly stigmatized, so yes, someone who's a Tier 1 (the least risk to the public, if I remember correctly) for urinating in a park at night or maybe for sexting with their teenage partner (if both are teens) is looked at with as much disdain and hatred as the Tier 4 (highest risk I think) who raped and killed someone.
I'm not sure what the numbers are in terms of how many people account for which tier levels, but the fact that there's a wide range of offenses on that list can be problematic all around.
@@Dennis-nc3vwSome states have created other type of registries as well
My daughter was raped when she was 14 years old. I was not informed about the prediters fate. No registry at that time and he was shielded from me and the public at large. She is still negatively affected as an adult . A life sentance for her. Life sentance for affenders is appreciate for sure.
5/27/2023.
I work with SO’s almost every day, and I can tell you, most do not believe they did anything wrong. They feel that they’re the victims. The person they assaulted has to live with it forever, and so should the offenders. Period.
yeah i'm sure the woman who got head from that 15 year old dude it traumatized for life
I don't understand how they could feel that they are the victims . They assaulted their victims and destroyed their lives and they are victims of their own actions and their perverted mind, that they choose to give into.
I highly doubt you work with Sex Offenders.. I think you are seriously talking out loud and spreading a lot of untrue nonsense... Because most of the Sex Offenders that I work with have admitted to making a stupid decision and they feel that they are victims of a system that all of the counselors in my same facility believe is "broken & not helping" just like the victim in this video also said. Anyone who works with Sex Offenders like you claim, will not come to youtube and post those kind of comments. Especially if you have full access to their court documents...
@@braveheart9097 Tell me why someone who was abused , chose to become a abuser????
@@TheMradampturner My comment was not directed at you, Bud. I'm only saying that I've read all the comments and everyone claiming to work with sex offenders doesn't actually work with them to be coming here to the internet making up a bunch of lies like what this woman did in the comments. I work with these people every day and the message I have gotten after almost 6 years is the complete opposite of what this person claimed. It's sad...
“Sexting with your significant other if they are underage.”
This is the progressive way of describing child grooming.
It also means an 18 year old man who has been in a relationship for years with a girl that is just one year younger than him. There is many guys that are now sex offenders because they were 18 when their girlfriend was still 17. I'm a right winger but it is comments like this that come out of right wingers that make people run to the arms of leftist and communists. It is because we are not fair, judgmental and desire to punish people for crimes that hurt absolutely no one. There was a stupid comment you made, and it is not grooming.
The are 19 year olds who were convicted of sexing 16 yrs olds...its not always that simple and some convicted people are not perverts...the law should see the difference and judge accordingly
@@uberdriver2955 well the adult should clearly understand this is by law not allowed and how are they even convicted unless someone reported it like a parent. Which is completely valid. I don’t think kids should be producing child porn even if its legal to be with their significant other.
Two 16/17 year olds sexting each other and then getting arrested on CP charges is deranged. How is that even child grooming? You never heard of teenagers having sex?
I get what you mean, but teenagers sext each other too. It isn't just grooming victims being talked about, it's teenagers being accused of victimizing themselves. A whole other kettle of fish that needs to be treated differently.
Wait are we supposed to be feeling bad that a sex offender can’t work as santa claus?? I had to rewind that.
Aint no way it says that
Sometimes you can understand why someone would murder another person. There's no excuse for sexually violating someone.
I think the registry is fair because victims also have their whole life changed forever.
So should there be a registery for murderers, theft, arson, etc? Victims of those crimes absolutely have their whole lives changed forever.
@@Dsworddance22 sure, that’s fair.
@@Dsworddance22 there is it’s called being a Felon. But something more formalized would be hard but I’d go for it.
@@Dsworddance22 Sex crime works differently on the mind in the trauma that it causes, but I wouldn't be opposed to a general criminal registry.
How is a person ever suppose to get themselves together when they are constantly being hindered?
The fact that this man said he wasn't gonna let something like "DNA" stop him is absolutely beyond me.....😒
You can’t fix stupid
He's a delusional one, isn't he?
He's moving on with his life. What else can he do? Just remember that he was a 15 yr old so don't forget to blame his parents.
I know was I the only one who was set back by that/....omg what a dumb criminal screw him they need to be on that list
@@harrynicholes3166 Exactly! 15yo well under the age of consent himself?! What exactly was he taught about sex & girls?
Not this man saying I'm not what my offense lables me as, other dude complaing that his family won't talk to him. Like???? I'm so disgusted by these people
There are law-abiding citizens who are homeless. And this sexual predator has a roof over his head. I don't understand.
Ashif isn't rehabilitated! The fact that he sent a sexually explicit picture to someone even if it wasn't intended for that person says everything! I felt so bad for his victim when she cried because he still hasn't excepted responsibility for his assault on her even though there was DNA! If anything his story proves that most sex offenders can't be rehabilitated!
Ashif reinforced the need for these restrictions. He never admitted he was guilty even with DNA evidence and then he sends out an unsolicited dic pic. He's still lying and not taking responsibility.
@@TanukiOfficial Aishef is a typical sex offender in that he says it was never him, he was unfairly convicted, it wasn't his fault and that he shouldn't be punished and then goes right ahead and commits another sex offense.
What if the intended recipient requested the picture?
@@TomikaKelly How hard is it to make sure you don't send those pics to the wrong person? _Especially_ if you have that kind of history?
There are people who still think government is the solution to our pedophile problem. they are not the solution. The solution is an Army of Mama Bears doing what a real bear would do to anyone and anything that messes with her cubs.
I was not prepared for the interviewer to tell the victim that her abuser said she is lying….who said this was a good idea? This is so damaging to a victim’s mental health and THEN you’re trying to help him? That was a low blow to me. It hurt my feelings when she started cry. She seemed okay until she told her that piece of information.
Transparency matters
But what she said was the right response and she is right that we should focus on rehabilitation.
@@giovannisantostasi9615 shouldn't safety/protection of the citizens supercede that?
@@matthewscott4629 I think it is complicated.
I don't condone this behavior, an ex psycho colleague of mine just got caught with child pornography and I knew something was deeply wrong with him, he was a psycho with me too when he was department head.
So I have direct experience of people like these. But it is scary to think people that did something wrong and want to get back to society and redeem themselves basically almost cannot given all these restrictions. Also, consider that a lot of these safety measures are really "safety theater". We have a lot of supposed safety measures in society that do almost nothing besides giving the illusion of safety and politicians use them to get support. If a predator wants to do something bad he will not care about these restrictions and do it anyway.
But if somebody wants to change his life after having been in prison for years and years basically he cannot given he cannot find a job, a place where to live, and so on. This actually could make society much less safe. There are several studies showing that rehabilitation helps much more than punishment and crazy restrictions like these.
@@giovannisantostasi9615 I hear you and don't take this the wrong way but why don't you invite them to live with you/in your neighborhood?
Give every felon (including sex offenders) a chance at redemption.
That includes mental health therapy (sex offender therapy program).
If they pass, allow them to re-establish their life back into society in a positive way.
If they fail the treatment program, toss them back into prison.
Every felon who wishes to express regret/remorse for what they’ve sadly done (including sex offenders) deserves a chance of proving it & redemption.
Most people don't think like you unfortunately. They don't want to actually try and fix the problem, so abuse doesn't happen again, or even in the first place. Every stupid mthfkr on here talking about woodchippers and lynching is a keyboard warrior who will change absolutely nothing for the better and is just talking smack to make themselves feel tough. They aren't going to go out and murder anyone, it's all posturing. Virtue signaling crap. I want better mental health programs, I want better reentry programs, that's why I'm studying law and criminology. Nothing is ever going to change if we all sit around yelling empty reactionary threats.
I want free school lunches and more after school programs, I want kids to not be forced into vulnerability either through poverty or a latch key kid because their parents work 3 jobs, or both. Focusing on mental health and having the hard and uncomfortable conversations about the real reasons people commit crimes of all kinds, and surprise, the majority of crimes are not committed for the sake of being evil. They are committed because someone didn't get the early intervention, and mental health support they needed.
@@plutomuttPREACH
Videos like these are the reason we can't see dislikes anymore. What a ridiculous documentary
Don’t nobody feel sorry for these disgusting individuals! Like what the cop said, don’t comment a sexual offense, and you want be put in the sexual offense registry!
My roommate was sexually assaulted by her step-father from 6 years old to 13. He only got 6 years in prison. She's 53 now and still has nightmares, anxiety, and has been going to therapy all these years. It doesn't help.
@patricia Manroe - please tell your roommate to look into EMDR therapy (assuming she hasn't already). My situation was very similar to hers - I was molested by my step-father from as young as I can remember (2 or 3 maybe?) until about 12 - when I told my mother what happened. He was never arrested (my mom didn't call the police) and never convicted, spent a single day in prison. I, like her, was in therapy for my entire adult life. Age 47, I started doing EMDR therapy and it changed my life. All the best to her - and you!
We got some strong women in the comments
6 Is such a vulnerable age i feel very sorry for her
Was he white?
@Brown Incel yes. It was never reported, though, so it wouldn’t make any difference in his case.
Him sending a picture of his genitalia should've been reported to his parole officer. It shows that he does not understand or respect boundaries and he's showing that he's very likely to offend again.
Her not reporting this is incredibly irresponsible and putting people at risk. Stop calling him a complex person and call him what he is, a sex offender who will offend again because he already did despite knowing the consequences.
hello.... she mentioned it in this documentary, what makes you think she did not report it ? Do you think the parole officer lives on Mars or does not have access to youtube ?
@@Maya.6868 oh pls its America
@@pascualmartinez9702 what do you mean ?
@@Maya.6868 parole officers do their job incorrctly all the time
It was an accident due to all the ho azz's out there sliding into his DM's! He'sbeen locked up so long & don't have a clue on how to use a smart phone!
I can’t believe sex offenders get treated more harshly than murderers? Even if it doesn’t involve a child. That makes no sense to me
Because murder can be justified or accidental in some cases, self defense and manslaughter for example. Sex crimes can’t. Even among other criminals, They will house sex offenders in the same area and put them in protective custody In prisons because the risk of them being attacked or killed by the other inmates is extremely high.
This woman is very annoying and condescending.She seems to minimize the horrific actions of sex offenders. Lock her up as well.
If you're rich like Prince Andrew, they let you stay in a castle with servants.
True
But they take away your military rank and a couple of titles LOL.... unbelievable....
Same with Trump
@@ericlondon2663 a couple titles lmao a slap on the wrists
😂
@@xgreasexmonkey5506 same with Bill Clinton
"I'd say don't commit sex offenses if you don't want to be on the registry". All that needed to be said here 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly what I said. Basically summed this video up in a sentence.
Better yet don't commit any offense that has has even the slightest potential to one day be added to the registry cause the addition would be retroactive.
This is the same thing that saying to a guy "just never have sex", some people are wired differently, child atracction is a illness not 100% just pure evil
@@vrstate and those people should be on a registry for every one else’s protection
for real. I rarely agree with officers but he is right
I'm on the registry In PA. I have been on parole a little over 2 years. I have a factory job and live in a house. I'm in therapy and making recovery work.
What is PA?
@@RestingBitchFace85Pennsylvania
You are lucky you got that. I honestly wouldn't want you anywhere near me or my family
@RestingBitchFace85 I think they meant in PA ( Pennsylvania) .
It's supposed to say in PA
yet murders get out on parole everyday or get a lighter sentences and go out and take another life the next day, treat all equally my ass
“Don’t commit sex offenses if you don’t wanna be on that registry” based response.
Exactly don't do weed if you don't want a drug charge... Dont drink and drive and you won't have a DUI... Based response I know
@@ortizmichelle7575 it’s true. No one is forcing you to smoke weed 🤷
Child molesters are different than pot heads....
@@benjammin9745 how so
@@ortizmichelle7575 if you really need to ask that question then I pity you
im normally on the side of VICE, but as someone who lived through sexual violence, I have very little pitty for these people. It's been nearly 12 years and i still go to therapy. My life has never been the same. I live with PTSD, Depression, and perpetual anxiety, which are medicated. I struggled to stay afloat financially because of my inability to keep a job for a prolonged period of time. I even attempted suicide twice.
I've forgiven the actions of the man who wronged me, but I don't think he should be allowed to live a normal life after that, and I know there are some who are wrongly charged and put on that list and i feel for them, but if you commit the crime, you must be willing to accept the consequences. I had no choice, why should you?
I 100 percent agree with you if they cant afford the 100 dollars to register i think its alright for them to stay in prison honestly but for people who were just accused i think it could be overwhelming i honestly think we should just send them to an island and let them battle it out
I also dont like how they say the laws are from a bigone era like more and more people arent reporting SA on a daily basis
I understand you because I grew up around a victim of a sex crime and it has made her a totally different person sadly a violent person just waiting to go off, I hope those who have suffered from this terrible crime gain the strength and help needed to take your life back , be safe people do care about you.
Vice wants to normalize pedophilia 👎
no one is asking for pity or even to like them. just afford them the same rights we afford everyone else in the criminal justice system.
The victim is a wonderful human being to be still compassionate towards the man that assaulted her.
That female lawyer should let some of these SAs to live with her for a bit and see in time if she is still so sympathetic to their cause.
Notice how she used the terms "so called sex offenses" and "registered person". These terms are right out of the Sympathy for Sex Offender's playbook. She did not use them by accident. She also stated, "accused of" when these people have already been convicted.
Exactly. The is the worst piece of hack job journalism that Vice has allowed to be produced. I don’t think that I can watch any more pieces done by “Alice” without seeing her work (and her as a person) negatively.
Some sex offenses like peeing outdoors should be referred to as "so called sex offenses".
@@tomasrocha6139 People on the registry for peeing outdoors is a myth. That's not a sex offense. That's something that sex offenders try to say that they were not really committing a sex offense when they were actually caught fondling themselves in public.
@@kennethsouthard6042 Right, that was a poor example on my part, think of two minors mutually sexting instead.
There are a fair amount of false convictions on record even though they are the minority of cases
The guy who molested his cousin is ridiculous, obviously your family doesn't want you around if you molested a family member... Also, it doesn't mean they don't forgive you, but it can retraumatize a sexual assault victim to see their assaulter on a daily basis. Sorry but that's obviously a consequence from your actions you have to live with, what did you expect.
My biological father has been trying to reconnect with our family over the years. He raped and molested me for years as a kid, and although I'm in my 30s and have been living my life (also thanks to lots and lots of therapy) I don't care if adult family members chat with him or reconnect, but if I went somewhere and he was there then I'd leave and only cause an issue if there were any of my nieces or nephews there. But from what I've heard from my siblings, he's been trying to reconnect with them for almost 20 years and the only thing I had to say to my sister was that she better not ever leave him around her kids and if she ever does choose to introduce them then someone needs to be watching every single interaction like their life depends on it because in my opinion no one's guard should ever be down around him, especially when there's kids around.
He's been complaining about how he's not able to ever see or get to know his grandkids, he's been isolated from his family...etc. If someone wants to have contact with him then that's on them and they're living their life their way. I'd still likely have contact with that family member but I'm not going to have contact with him.
Why are you apologizing?
Rehabilitation starts with admitting what you did and sincerely being remorseful about it which I did not see. There was a lot of "poor me" from the offenders and not enough remorse for what they did. And asheefs victim blaming pissed me off. You did do it buddy you did do it
That woman was not faking her pain in the interview.
We need more willingness among parents and teachers to discuss sexual violence with students, not only seeing them as potential victims, but as potential offenders. We need to spell out for them the LONG term consequences of commiting an offense, as well as the LONG term harm to the victims.
I feel we need to make it safe and confidential for them to seek help before they offend as adults.
Exactly! At one point the sheriff guy said something about how prevention is most important to him, but what's he doing about it?
The only care or treatment for sex offenders tends to be *after* they've already offended. Something needs to change so that people can come forward to seek help *before* offending without being turned away or locked up or something.
Of course not all of them see a problem with their behavior, but that's another reason for more accessible therapy, especially for children and young adults.
As someone who works with S.O.s and have my degree in criminology (and also a victim) YES 10000% this. Early intervention is HUGE. And yes, it would mean work in somewhat normalizing getting S.O. treatment.
Talking about coercion & manipulation would be the start.
It’s almost like their actions have consequences…
Thank god someone is thinking
Lol lightning bolt.
"Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions."
Shocking
@NightTimeLounge or like when a MADA cult member went to prison for sedition
its not that sex offenders are becoming more prevalent due to the laws is that the laws are helping uncover unreported cases and making people speak out more often, it seems like there is an increase in sex offenders but in reality is an increase in people reporting them
Exactly, with less stigma and better conviction rates lead to the increase
Exactly just as bad as it's ever been.
Authorities really do nothing and don't care the vast majority of the time...
It's not as simple as that, if you're honest. As the cop noted one is the child pornography laws which means a lot of people simply by sitting alone in their home can commit a sex crime and even be labeled a predator. The for-profit prison industry encourages more laws and more opportunities for incarceration, along with inflating the recidivism rates for new sex offenses.
@@justaguy6100 You're still a predator if you access CP
Why is vice trying to defend Sex Offenders
becuase there is a movement going on to normalize such behavior its a really sick and twisted toxic world we live in
I can't be the only one who was extremely irked by the way the reporter was speaking so nonchalanty about the crimes these people committed and how we should feel sympathy for them...
Veronica, nope she was being responsible. you cannot have a conversation about the victim without the perpetrator. it is never a zero sum thing for me
Trying to normalize this evil. Sickening,
She's absolutely horrible.
Yes.
It's common in these progressive news channel. When they report about drugs, they glorify them.
"this is how we live" I lived with night terrors for a decade. I live with constant anxiety and fear. I live flinching from the hug of a family member because no matter how much I try to heal, the wound of a sexual assault cuts you to your soul. I feel no pity for them.
God bless you 🙏 we are in this together
100%. Anything less than castration is s too light a punishment imo.
Mind you that your real issue was with the very perpetrator who committed the assault - not everyone else on the Registry who had nothing to do with you. Not everyone is the same or interchangeable with your perpetrator - Nor do they deserve your personal disdain. Projecting is unhelpful and unhealthy for someone recovering from assault.
Your good now bro life is short put it behind you don't let that idiot stay in your head fk that sht.
@@bill-xm7dz you must be registered.
It was so clear that Asheef was manipulating the narrative even before getting to the part of sending an inappropriate photo to your producer. I've worked with teens who were offenders and the number one problem is what we called "thinking errors" like denial or gaslighting. This dude was never wrong. All his problems were from the system and his lying victim. He feels entitled and aggrieved; there's no awareness of the sexual assault as problematic. These are red flags in all caps.
The sheriff made more sense in one group of sentences than this reporter made the entire video.
An ice cream truck attracts kids... of course sex offenders shouldn't be driving them.
Don’t see ice cream trucks much anymore but when I do I immediately start having skeptical thoughts about the person operating it
@@Mark-sj3xb These days that's called inherent bias and it means you're a bigot. Forget all that fancy neuroscience nonsense about you brain making generalizations based on experiences in your environment and making judgements most likely to ensure survival for you and your progeny in a dangerous world. Don't listen to your brain. Listen to Vice.
@@Mark-sj3xbThats a reach
Stupid People writing stupid stuff on a piece of 🚽 paper then calling it a law. Waste of toilet paper.
"Don't commit sex offenses if you don't want to be on this registry!" Understatement of the year right there!!!
Its that simple.
Barney Fife would be outta of a job!
But it's funny that the sheriff admitted that there are people who are so psychologically messed up that they don't know what they're doing. So which is it? Did they choose actions that would be on the list, or they just nuts?
“Don’t commit a sex crime” - mic drop
i was almost caught off guard by sarah’s empathy. she is so strong, and i think she sends an important message to survivors.
Thanks for this compelling piece of journalism Vice.
I used to have a really harsh view of sex offenders. After watching this documentary however, I have an even harsher view of them.
Serious sex offenders who are convicted with strong evidence should be locked up for life.
Most pedophiles have molested not just one but multiple times with many victims who are left with a life sentence of coping with many emotional and mental issues. There are so many perpetrators out there who never get reported and repeatedly offend. I have no sympathy for them if they are caught and don’t believe they can be rehabilitated.
@@be4202 thats a lie your spreading. most pedophiles have NOT molested people. it is a small percent that does
@@be4202where I work if they find out you have children, they try and manipulate trying to get information about the kids. I’ve had that happen to me more then I can count.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie, thought you actually agreed with vice for a moment.
@@k.k.londonsounds like drag queen story time hour, which drives me insane that it’s legal smh. Morality, not the one displayed by liberals and Hollywood, is truly lost in America.
I was sexually abused at only 3 years old so I feel no sympathy for these men. I’m 26 years old now and I still suffer from mental trauma from what happened to me and I doubt it will ever go away. These men should have thought it through before committing their crimes 🤷🏼♀️
I am sorry.
@@PieInTheSky9 Shut up man. Don't be a jerk.
@@PieInTheSky9 stfu we care! Thank you for telling your story
So sad to be telling stories just for attention
This is an honest question. In no way am I trying to offend you. If you do not want to answer please feel free not to ma'am. Do you truly remember being abused at the age of 3 or were you told about the abuse? The reason for my question is because most children don't formulate lasting memories until the age of 5. This is obviously due to rapid changes to neurons and synapses in the child's brain.
As a victim of sexual assault myself, many of the people in this comment section are missing the point. People who commit sex offenses have done a TERRIBLE thing, but the idea that people have to pay their time and then move on is impossible when even after they leave jail it is impossible for them to get a job, find housing, or be seen by the community as anything other than disgusting. Human beings deserve life, the chance to live and thrive even after doing terrible things. If you deny someone their humanity, you don’t help their victims, you simply destroy the perpetrator. But what good does that do?
Exactly! If the SO has no hope of life, then they will just keep offending!
@@mcren6781keep them locked up forever then.
So you’d be okay with a child rapist moving into your neighbourhood?
As a victim I am watching this to try to gain a sense of empathy and understanding. I think it's always important to watch the other side of your opinion to see the world as not black and white. I do think there needs to be a level of nuance when approaching who deserves to be registered and who doesn't. There is a level of gray area that I think needs to be addressed. There are some cases that are non-violent minor offenses. I think it should be a part of sentencing on whether a conviction deserves registering or not.
I'm in my 20s now but was sodomized by my grandpa for two years when I was growing up. It's not only affected my life (hours of therapy, the need for many specialized services, etc) it's affected my family even more. My dad has tried to commit suicide two times due to his depression and guilt, my mom has had a difficult time holding down a job, etc. It's been a huge challenge for my family to deal with everything. Its really shocking to hear that the interviewer seems to feel that sex offenders are being treated poorly.
I’m so sorry 😔
So sorry this happed to you. This is a triggering video for all survivors 😢
😢I am sorry to hear about what happened to u.. I pray that you get the help u need
I had friend that working somewhere that this co worker was sexually harassing him and trying to keep it low key, and the management didnt do anything about it.
Yikes, that's awful, I'm so sorry. That's kind of thing I could get behind a life sentence for. But not all sex offenses are this severe. Even public urination can get you on the registry.
I’m so tired of society trying to normalize sexual violence. I hate that innocent people get accused but please for the sake of us all we need to know who and where these people are
Theyre trying to normalize being corrupt. Politicans get dirty money. Doctors give you drugs and mutilate childrens genatils for money. Social media censors people who support freedom of speech while they allow for terrorist to thrive
Doesn't rap do the same qith drugs, killing, robbing, pimping etc.
@@kazithecanecorso2724 wtf does rap have to do with this? Say you’re a racist and go
@@witchplease9695 say your stupid. Ok white liberal racist
@@witchplease9695 typical liberal minded idiots. Owned by the white liberal. Everything is racist if you dont like what you hear.
“Just don’t be a sex offender” it’s that easy
Only people who are clearly a threat should be put on the sex offender registry, not people who urinate in public, flashers, people who commited an offence when they were a child themselves, even young adults who have sex with someone who is underage also don't deserve to have the rest of their lives ruined by being put on the registry.
I agree
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Literally don’t care if they live in filth and squalor. Live with what you did just like your victim has too.
As a CSA victim, I hate knowing my abuser is living a good life. I wish him nothing but the worst.
it's a shame on society that's he's even out, im sorry
Was your violator convicted?
@@braveheart9097 I dunno if she's going to answer, but, to vent a little, mine wasn't, and now he's released after committing his umpteenth felony. Grand larceny, assault on a woman, felony b&e; he's literally been charged for being a habitual felon, but he'll never be charged for what he did to me. How he's still free is beyond me, and it makes me mad. I know the city he lives in. It's in my state. I hate it. I want him dead, because I know he's done similar things.
@@welcometothecafe2793 They're not often released with crimes similar to what you claim happened to you. I work in Texas and most of those dudes with serious assaults don't see the light of day for the next 10-20 years. There are rare occasions though. I'm sorry your abuser was able to be that rare occasion but I hope he really ends up paying for it this time around.
@@braveheart9097 Yeah, the assault charge he got was from the 80s I think, and it was assault on a woman, so... yeah. His last stint was 7 years after committing a lot of robberies and scams, but he's never been charged for sexual assault of any kind.
Hope he rots, and, given his life choices, I'm sure he is.
Ashiff takes absolutely no accountability of his actions. He was blatant enough to send a explicit pic to a producer on a documentary about SEX OFFENDERS. That bold behavior will and should affect his freedom to protect the public.
Yeah, wtf. Such audacity and even blindness (willful or not) toward his own actions.
They spend the whole doc talking about how unfair their treatment is and how they’re the least likely to reoffend and then he proves them totally wrong lol 🤦🏻♀️
A friend of mine since jr high is labeled a "sex offender" for having sex with his girlfriend when he was 18 and she was 17. He's not a predator, he's not creepy. They thought they were in love. But he's on the registry as a "sex offender".
These creeps in this video are shocking and i have NO sympathy for them, but there are men on this registry whose lives are ruined for being young and dumb.
May the depths of your compassion measure the compassion you receive.
The stigma is there for a reason. Life should be hard for these types of criminals.
I don’t completely disagree. My only issue though is why let them out of jail if they can’t get a job and a house? Either let them out and have their freedoms back, or leave them in there longer.
A LOT of people can't get a job or a stable living situation right now, these individuals aren't special in that regard. And there's no moral law that says people who commit egregious crimes against their fellow man, particularly crimes that weren't driven by poverty and necessity (such as sex crimes) are somehow entitled to an easy route to making a life for themselves after prison. Things are hard for EVERYONE right now. Things are probably hard for their victims as well. Truth be told, many of the things these offenders are whining about, victims of SA go through routinely throughout their lives due to extreme trauma and the mental disabilities it causes. Go into any homeless shelter, and you'll likely meet people, especially women, who've been victims of SA in childhood as well as throughout multiple periods in their adult lives and it's greatly affected their ability to hold down a job and keep stable housing. Then throw drug addiction into the mix, and things get even more difficult. These people also struggle with getting the services they need to have a stable life for themselves, and they're often thrown in jail for non violent crimes which only makes their ability to reintegrate into society even harder. These are the people I, and most of American society should care about as far as this broken system is concerned. The people who were dealt a horrible hand in life and were abused beyond mention, but have never hurt anyone other than themselves as a result. People who deliberately harm others through nothing other than their defective sexual deviancy really shouldn't be high up on anyone's list of priorities regarding their lack of ability to make a life for themselves.
@@HVACGUY420 There's no way to force someone to hire or house a known/accused sex offender. I'm a Negro. I've been apartment hunting and denied based on my ethnicity. I knew it, the landlord knew it, but proving it in a court of law would be another thing. If a landlord allows them to live on their property and they abuse again, is the landlord now an accessory since they knew who they were housing? These are adults who did these things. People who knew right from wrong and decided that fulfilling their lusts was worth whatever trauma they caused to another. They did this to themselves!
@@Narrow-Pather So why not keep in there then? Either we trust them into society or we don’t. Part of going back to society requires a home and a job. I would have no issue keeping them in there for life, but if we let them out then we need to give them their rights back. You can’t have both and it expect a good result.
Same sgoukd go for murders though
I think the presentation of this is skewed, the section about Geoff for example casually mentioned that he was convicted of not just a sexual offence but also 'soliciting her murder' - I'm sorry but, that's not a small thing? Are we supposed to be feeling sorry for him? Let's not use the word 'stigma' about sex offences and murder - we are not in the wrong for feeling wary of these people, they are not the victims of an undeserving stigma here.
I was like, wait what? with that, too. (The murder thing.) I am aware that there are people who are against the registry and think it's unfair, awful, inhumane, etc. So, I guess that's the stance this documentary was attempting to take. Ironically though it only seemed to confirm that the registry is needed. There was nothing compelling in here to show me that that the registry is exceedingly unfair. And I'm even on the open-minded side of having sympathy for what perpetrators probably went through in their own childhoods. etc. Maybe I can see that more services could be put in place to help find housing immediately after prison, or to help with the transition from prison to out-of-prison (like bus tickets to rural areas or something). Buuuut other than that, this doc did the opposite of convincing me the registry is wrong.
Right? Like, there is stigma against victims of these crimes, and THAT'S uncalled for, but a perpetrator and predator SHOULD feel some shame for how they affected another human forever. Earned stigma should really just be called "people being wary of those who have PROVEN themselves dangerous."
Until you understand how "Whyte Folks" can do just about ANYTHING and live to tell about it, don't waste your time.
@@cuttlefishagain You heard it. Only the Untouchables get preferential treatment.
@@harrynicholes3166wtf? Playing the race card on everything I see 😂. You are soft as charmin
So disappointed in Ashief..
He committed a crime at 15 years old and has been imprisoned since then. I’m
Also sure with the crime he committed he was abused while incarcerated as well. He should’ve received rehabilitation since he was locked up
Criminal justice & sociology major here :
Listen to the victim. This is a call for restorative Justice or in her case rehabilitative measures .
However, the offender needs to consciously take responsibility for what he did for any of these to work. Also, the victim must be willing.
I feel horrible for the victim and that the interviewer so bluntly told her that he denied responsibility for his crime.
Human beings deserve constitutional rights. Rights voided for one group means rights voided for all (eventually).
(Just my two cents)
No no he did not send that picture by mistake, he knew exactly what he was doing because how come you end up sending something to someone if you were not actually thinking about it or thinking of doing it… and that dude is even denying that he actually sexually assaulted that woman… he deserves all that treatment and I don’t think that he will ever change…..
That act proves he cannot control himself.
@@douglasr.c.5622 if he cannot control himself he should be removed from society.
I hope he gets back in jail
Fr just say it as it is, hes a waste of air and resources. He’s like an irritating eyesore that doesn’t go away. Like a lost package with no address. A sickness.
Exactly he's the perfect example of someone that needs to be locked tf away
It gives me comfort that people in the video and comments recognize that the victims live with this forever. I’m affected every day. There’s no getting over it. There’s learning to cope with the pain but the pain’s always there
Fact!!!!
It gets better. hang on and stay strong. ❤
@@debbiewilby it happened to me my cousin was the one who did it
There's more people on your side than it might feel like, sometimes, I'm sure. I can't pretend to understand what you go through.
It’s an every day struggle. The pain of knowing that someone hurt me so much as a child and is now all coming back to me in flashbacks. The fact that I didn’t know I was living with OCPD in response to childhood trauma and I never know what can trigger a flashback memory and send me back into panic mode. I don’t trust anyone. I’m overprotective with my kids. I have such a huge effect on everyone around me. It’s just consuming and exhausting. I live in a mental jail because of what someone like one of these monsters did to me.
I find with sexual offenders there’s always a case of minimising there involvement trying to make it seem less serious then there’s a brief apology then there’s a sob story about how they’re the victim really it’s just so horrible how they really don’t care about what they did they’re just upset that they got caught and punished
This was weird asf. The guy sent a pic of himself to production and no one reported it ?!
Then the reporter telling the survivor her attacker didn’t believe her …
I’m in a alternate universe
Nobody gives af where sex offenders live or die
Maybe we should introduce death sentencing since rehabilitation seems to not work . Like wtf don’t waste tax payers $$
The fact that they think they have a right to complain after what they did to someone is disgusting. And this reporter sounds like she actually feels bad for these monsters? The way she said “even just sexting with your partner who is underage” like it’s not a problem?? I’m confused 🤦♀️
There was a news story about an 18 year old dating a 17 year old which is legal but sending nude photos of each other back and forth was illegal. The 18 year old was convicted of a sex crime against a minor and had to be on the registry.
I’m assuming cases like that is what she was referencing.
She did a really good job asking provocative questions to both sides of the conflict in a devil's advocate type of way
Is this show for real, so we are sympathetic to these people, what about the victims!
I think there should be varying levels of punishment for different sexual offenses. Anything regarding children should be life in prison but there are men who are 20 or 21 on the list who messed up with their 17 year old girlfriend and now have their entire life ruined. I 100% understand what you mean but the registry has a lot of different offenses which definitely all don’t have equal severity
for me there is a bit of nuance- when i was 17 i had an 18 year old boyfriend and we sexted one time (i was the one who initatied the conversation) everything was totally consensual. i dont think he should go to jail since there was no pressure from either person. technically i would also get arrested for the production and sharing of underage photos
You guys need to fire this sex offender apologist journalist. The way she really tried to defend them every step of they way is absolutely disturbing and disgusting. Are the laws flawed in some ways? Yes I’m sure they are. Are people falsely accused? I’m sure that happens. As far as every other offender who has been accused with irrefutable evidence; like that officer said, if you don’t want to be on the registry than don’t commit a sex offense.
While I agree with part of that, I don't agree with the forever punishment and making them nearly impossible to stay free and rehabilitate. I only see the USA with these problems.
I went into this piece with an open mind, but trying to soften our hearts for actual sex offenders is very ODD
Asheef wrong for that ending...he literally proved his whole arguement wrong for that last move, felt like a M.Knight Shamalan ending jeez
Some people u cant empathize with. Let your guard down now you're a victim
Tee hee hee I was complex too. My fans saw my humanity
Dude ruined all his credibility
@@Childmo_Lester issues much
@@davokelly7876 my fans know i have the mind of a child which makes man/boy sleepovers ok 🤷♂️👨👦🩲🌭😇
This is sooooo gross. Interview the people they victimized, see if you feel the same disgusting sympathy after you truly put yourselves in their shoes
The title and topic of this video is about sex offenders staying in prison…so that’s why they interviewed the sex offenders. It doesn’t make sense to interview the victims because this video isn’t about that.
@@youllbemytourniquet you missed the point of op.
Funny how so many people are surprised vice posted this. While the rest of us r laughing
If the dude was 18 and girl was 16 or close in age, they break up someone gets bitter and claims assault, no registration should be necessary. So how do you fix that and protect people from the actual predators? 🤔 I mean the law is the law but a teenager is not going to have the same mentality as an adult hopefully. I mean prison is for rehabilitation.
@@amandaperry4236 The law is a joke. So is life too.
I don't think they can be rehabilitated
A guy that I went to high school with was placed on the registry because he was dating a 17 year old when he was 23. People like this should not be placed on the same list as someone who sexually abuses ten year olds. People aren't going to ask him why he is on the registry, they just see him in the registry and assume that he is a child molester. A once promising life of a funny, popular, and outgoing person destroyed because the parents of his girlfriend didn't agree with him dating their daughter. This incident has bothered me for so many years.
That's awful.
I mean, the best thing you can do is be there for him, make sure he understands that sure it was a stupid choice but that he's not a monster or a rapist.
Perfect example of a situation where the legal system does more harm than good.
That’s his fault.. Why are you as a 23 year old man, probably in college, dating a senior in high school?
Did Vice not report the explicit picture to the police? That would be an example of a sex offender re-offending.
"Dont commit sex offenses if you dont want to be on the registry" Sums it up
before you pity a sex offender, for the life long weight of their sins- change your perspective to the innocent victim who will forever carry that burden as well
This chick makes me so mad. It's like she's taking up fpr those predators. Why in tf is she questioning stuff?
I always find it strange that the sex convict has commited a crime against children but it cited that they have behaved well in prison, of course they have there is no kids in prison
17:10 this part made me laugh
“So you don’t think there’s a problem”
No”
“So basically your saying people who are looking for housing need to try harder”
“Yes”
The victim face when she heard he says he is an innocent man , broke my heart for her . Almost feels like your revictimized all over again . This is so sickening and I don’t trust NONE OF THEM
That black guy from Chicago is so guilty. He was doings drugs as a 15 year old, he knew his future.
I only feel sorry for those who are truly falsely accused. As a victim, I can't feel bad for them.
Survive and thrive!
Hope you’re doing better now and find ways to get overcome all those horrible feelings, stay strong
Not only am I a victim of sexual abuse, I am also falsely accused by my ex girlfriend. The court system is corrupt.
@JonathanBrandonBissoo That makes me sick to my stomach. OMG I can't stand false accusers. They disgusted me. I am so very sorry you are going through that.
His victim showed more compassion towards him then he could get imagine thinking for her! Wow! Shows the differences in character.
for real
Rehearsals. You ever heard of it?
i do think it is important for someone who committed a crime to face the consequences of their actions. But i also believe that people should be able to reiterate back into society. every one deserves to live. Even shitty people. People can change.
Obviously she has never been affected by a sexual crime. People need to understand this crime affects victims for life and even causes more offenders. She may be should also talk to the victims and find out why these laws are important.
Yuppp I figure she would change her tune and her job once she understood by being a victim herself
“Don’t commit sex offenses if you don’t want to be in the registry.” Should have ended the documentary right there, because that sums it up.