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I think it would depend on the person. The risk is the same as a straight man working in an environment with constant interactions with women. To say it's impossible is false... but to ignore the likelihood that at least one of those children will eventually catch a teaching pedophiles attention is also irresponsible on their part. I don't think a pedophile who is self conscious about their sexuality within the context of the society they live in would actively choose to teach minors though. But that's just my opinion.
@@Soletestament The risk is nowhere the same as straight men working with women. In that situation you have two grown adults able to take care of themselves and handle themselves through maturity and growth. The other involves a child who is not sophisticated or fully developed yet physically or mentally. Secondly a male working with females has the liberty of releasing his sexual tensions legally outside of work. A pedophile does not.
Fontana Ceiliosa that’s not going to end the cycle though. Because pedophiles will keep existing. I don’t think pedophilia should be excused by any means; anything that involves traumatizing children should absolutely be discouraged. But if a person recognizes that what they’re thinking is morally wrong, and want to change, they shouldn’t even be given the opportunity?
Marvin Martin it won’t. People think that wanting to help non-offending pedophiles means you just support pedophilia. I support people getting the mental health help that they need. If someone was having homicidal thoughts, I’d want them to be able to reach out for help too.
Fontana Ceiliosa nope. That’s not what that bill says. It will actually (hopefully) eliminate discrimination against LGBTQ youth, which is a good thing. It’s not a pro-pedophilia bill. With children younger than 14, mandatory sex offender registration is still in place. Before it was passed, an 18 year old that had oral sex with a 17 year old would be forced to register as a sex offender, whereas a 24 year old that had sex with a 15 year old would not automatically have to, as it would be left to the discretion of the judge. The age of consent in California is still 18, meaning that a sex act with someone under that age is still a criminal act.
@Thomas Jefferson NAUTTP NATHDTC ASITH It depends what you mean by morals. Everyone's morals are different. As example, in intercourses, I only disagree with rapes and harms. Let's say a minor somehow gives consent to an adult, is ready to start their sexual life and that adult is already known by the child's relatives and are convinced that adult is not gonna force that kid if it's too harsh for him or doesn't want to as well as in adult relationships, where no party would ever force the other one into an unwanted intercourse or anything else. If you are attracted to kids and have the same control as a straight/gay human who would never have sex without consent or without knowing it's not too rough for your partner, then, I wouldn't care anymore about your private life as long as I am sure no one's put at risk. I only care about safety, I care less about how that relationship's partners look or sth like that. I mean, I may not be used to sth like that, it could sound gross to me if you come up with an idea like that. But good news is I don't need to think about it, I only think about safety. If a minor has sexual attraction towards you and is ready to start their life, you should see if it's not too rough for him an intercourse with an adult after a long time deciding if that adult is trust-worthy. It's hard, because I also have some prejudices in my mind, Idk what's hiding in everyone's mind, that's why I need to check. I would be pretty protective no matter the partner. If I feel that partner could be a risk, I wouldn't agree with that relationship. But if you prove me you're not a risk (sth that's pretty hard, but not impossible), I'm gonna be perfectly fine with your relationship. I would never agree with abuses or rapes, okay? These are crimes. Consensual relationships are not. Maybe, an 8 year-old couldn't give consent because of not having any sexual attraction (as far as Ik, Idk if that's possible. At this point, I don't think so), but a 13 year-old could. If they're attracted to you too, it doesn't matter that I don't like the pattern of your relationship just because it's not the same as mine. Regarding marriage, I only agree getting married ppl ready to build a future with their partner, ready to encounter life and all the challenges on their own skin. These are my morals, okay? I may be a millenial, but I still think I have morals. I don't believe age is important as long as you are able to fall in love. I mean, there are lots of rapes and abuses. These should be prevented, but not all relationships are abuses either between adults or between adults and a minor. There might be very few relationships like these or if not, they're most likely hidden because of prejudices and critics. Look, to me, relationships are totally normal. When there are attractions between ppl who could give consent, actually give it and are ready to get in it and they are cautious about the others feelings and health too, then, Idc how gross it looks to me. Not everyone could have a relationship like mine. To me, it matters more what ppl offer, not how the person who offers looks. That's what influences our relationships of any type. Not how old is that person or stuff like that. It's not about your age here or other stuff like that, but about what you offer. Idk, these are my morals, you could attack me, I'm not the type to tell ppl how the person they have a relationship with should look like based on my preferences or how long they've been on Earth as long as they are able to feel attractions towards each other. Idc, I won't just look at your relationship if I don't like how it looks. You could hold hands and kiss without me watching you. Not more than that, I'd feel very uncomfortable and disgusted by an intercourse. As long as you care about everyone's feelings, safety and health, especially your partner, then, go live your life. Idk what Albertans think, I'm from a mostly conservative place, but my morals are pretry different and I have not against it, it's just my opinion based on what I feel actually matters in general and my experiences. When it's proved there's no danger around, I'm not worried anymore and Idc anymore. It's perfectly normal living your life with someone who you love and loves you back and none of you would force or hurt anyone
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@@skeletonjanitor The fact that they are hiding will not put an end to the abuse, indeed most likely the pedophile who does not receive any supervision will be more predisposed to satisfy his desires, leading to more abuses. It is necessary to put the person attracted to children in a position where they cannot harm them and incentivize others who are the same to voluntarily put themselves in that position. In this way, it is possible to effectively decrease abuse and monitor possible predators. Of course, this does not mean that there won't be several pedophiles who will continue in their disgusting acts. Obviously, they must be harshly punished.
It's really nice and all, however those preventive measures tend to be useless, even quemichal castration somewhow showed to be unefective on pedos, the best way to deal whit them is just giving them a very painful dead, that might disencourage them, I personally think that using pedos to train police dogs would be a solid idea, seems to me a very efficient way to use them, that way your training the police dog's and the taxpayers don't need to spend money on them
Not deep down-- openly....he was kinds unprofessional .like why go and interview them? If you gonna be condescending? Also while editing the final cut he felt it necessary to purposely includ his uncomfortableness ...like he isnt confident in himself...I felt like he was trying to prove to the viewer he isnt empathizing with the pedaphile or the ideas of the therapist....he was totally over compensating ..m
@@guinnster1 I think it was an effort to portray the common perception. As a journalist, it would look weird if he appeared supportive or even neutral of such a controversial topic.
You can do nothing. The disease has spread (pedophilia), and it has managed to affect 10% of the Earth’s population, and international law will allow it as a sexual orientation. When you leave your home, you will see at least 3 people with this deviation, and you do not know
long ago same gender sex is morally wrong. now its celebrated. its only a matter of time pedophilia is celebrated and included in the group of abnormal sexual orientation knowns as lgtbqp
Imagine being attracted to people that you didn’t want to be attracted to and wanted to seek help but couldn’t because of persecution. Man, we need to make treatment more accessible for these people
I agree, that said I would not consider pedophilia as a normal sexual orientation nor do I think orientation is 100% what you are born with (just about everything is nature AND nurture i.e. genetics AND environment). I think the significant association between being abused and becoming an abuser supports this fact. It's a fine line between creating an environment/system where people can seek help before they commit these acts without normalizing or excusing them. Personally, I think the US should do a better job on giving people an avenue for help without ruining their life, but I wholly reject the acceptance of pedophilia as part of someone's identity. If someone with clinical depression sees themselves as worthless, we do not accept that as an intrinsic part of their identity, we use CBT to change those thought patterns/perceptions and we need to do the same with pedophilia (among other things).
@@earthing3696 I understand where you're coming from, but to be a successful journalist, you have to be unbiased. This is his job. Child abuse is serious, and if we can approach the topic seriously with maturity, then perhaps we can prevent more children in the future from being abused. It's best to keep the "ewwww" reactions in high school classrooms.
Tina W thanks. I know it’s uncomfortable. And to be honest, I would not want my future kids(I don’t have any) around those with pedophilia. But I have no ill will on one who has the disorder and applaud them for getting help.
Jak Stone and your the reason we are so screwed up. Kids are going to be molested, all because ideologists like you care more about punishing people over some illness they have than about preventing the problem to begin with.
@Jak Stone society doesn't have the balls? Your opinion is dumb. You are thick. Complete offence. You're a communist. If we lived in your society, you'd be the first one to be shot. Go to North Korea if you have such a hard-on for authoritarian justice.
Probably they just secretly wants the non offending pedo to continue develop the mental illness instead of seeking help. Joke aside, letting them seeking treatment imo is the better option. It might cure them or at the very least help control that urge. If it fails then I'm sure it's not any worse than literally stopping them from getting the treatment that might've help them no matter how small of a chance. But go ahead and threaten them, I'm sure that will totally magically reduce the amount of pedophile.
@@monsesh1316 its better than leaving them to their own devices that's for sure. The people going "we should just give them a bullet" don't seem to realize that it won't eliminate the problem, just encourage them to hide it
It's subjects like the one in this video that really show how stupid people are. They don't want to try and help these pedophiles who admit they are pedophiles and want help. People are so damn stupid.
As you said someone cannot be criminalized merely for being a *minor attracted adult(MAA - pedophile, hebephile, pedohebephile, etc.)* since it's not against the law to simply have chronophilic feelings. One of the greatest social myths revolving around these words is that they denote a set of actions. They don't; they simply denote a set of feelings, which are not limited to sexual desire alone.
Also the danger posed by these thoughts are exaggerated by the media since 90% of sexual contact with youths are not done by *MAAs* but by *situational contactors/situational offenders(SCs)* who engage in contact due to reasons that have nothing to do with a genuine attraction to youths in the first place such as marital problems, stress, etc., and the vast majority of *SCs* are not the stereotypical strangers in trenchcoats who wait in the dark to capture youths. Most *SCs* operate within the home and sometimes within other institutions such as boarding schools. Sadly, the great majority of the general public presently sees little to no difference between genuine *MAAs* and *SCs*.
It is *SCs* who are responsible for cases where youngsters are violently coerced into sexual acts. Most genuine MAAs on the other hand ARE NOT violent and would not try to use sex as a way of inflicting harm on youths. This is why most peds do not seek to have full penetrative intercourse with prepubescents. Most only have sexual desires that are on the level of what a child is interested in.
Most peds would never treat them as miniature adults and try to engage in acts that were not developmentally suitable for a child. I have devoted tens of thousands of hours of research to this subject. Based on all the observatons I've made within various MAA communities and surveys I've done with MAAs, the majority of them like simple kissing and cuddling (including other low-level degrees of outercourse, but NOT full intercourse). The idea that they see them as miniature adults and want to have full intercourse with them, and routinly try to will them into sexual acts against their developmental level, is also a myth.
Yeah, I don't think it's accurate to call paedophilia a "sexual orientation." Also, his method for measuring the success of his programme is questionable. Other than that, I agree with that he said.
@@manmelt4037 I agree that paedophilia is natural and not a choice, but it's not a sexual orientation. Sexual orientation relates to the gender(s) one is attracted to; children isn't a gender.
I do believe the pedos think it is their sexual orientation. Because to be fair, how could orientation only point to genders? I get that we might think their “attraction” cannot be “called” an orientation because it is absurd. But to them, it’s clear it’s their orientation, right?
Is informativ but scary just look at the history of gays:first persecuted then considerated mentally ill now "integrated in society"(for gays is ok and pedos i will stop in the middle but its look scary)
@dante odinson And what the hell do you care about ''nature'' ? Earth is overpopulated, human waste and our polution is disrupting the climate and ruining the environment and we have other hundreds of conflicts in our on societies such as civil war, politics, racism etc. Homosexuality is NOT a fucking problem unless you're a close minded idiot.
When he said _how you feel about women is how I feel about kids_ - that struck him deep. Thank god he hasn't acted on those feelings and I pray he never does. It's just sick. A child can't give you what a consenting peer can.
I feel the reporter was kind unprofessional. Seems like he got assigned this story and didn't really want to do it. He invlude a bunch of his responses that weren't really necessary like lots of gasp and sarcastic laughs ....its like yeah was determined to show the viewes he thinks those he is interviewing are out there or far fetched.
What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that there is no legitimate way to criminalise sexual attraction, because that would be like criminalising thought itself. As long as there is no act, there is no crime, and a person remains innocent.
They don’t care, they’re too blinded by their rage towards this subject(it’s valid don’t get me wrong, but there needs to be a limit so innocent people aren’t unjustly punished)
@@smokymountainangoras Your comments are a prime example of why so many men don't seek help for their problem. They can't change who they're attracted to, but with the proper treatment, they won't harm anyone. You're demonizing them for something they haven't done. You're basically angry with them for a "thought crime".
@@smokymountainangoras No, Knowing what we are dealing with is better than casting stones and exorcizing unknown demons. They haven't acted on it and they are telling us about their problem we should offer all the help we can not be shocked by the known problem.
Vast People... “And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’”
Honestly I feel sorry for these people. Clearly they want help to get better and instead of ostracizing them we as a society should help them get the treatment they need just like any other mental illness before they become actual offenders.
Yeah I agree. On the other hand though, I think it's pretty understandable why people would rather stay away from them. If I had children, even if this person had said they wouldn't touch them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them. And that's the hardest part about it.
This is about as logical as wondering how many people around you in real life are murderers. Cool thought, but your life will suck if you go around paranoid about everyone around you.
Now understand that pedophiles are not any more likely to 'act' on their attraction in the exact same way teleiophiles(adult attracted adults) or people with other attraction bases aren't. We don't usually see hoards of adults/gays/lesbians getting ready to pounce on unsuspecting adults/gays/lesbians when the next opportunity arises.
About 90% of s3xual contact w/ youngsters are by *(situationaI contactors)* who are not even driven by a g3nuine attraction to youths but other factors not in the typical PDP such as stress, marriage issues etc. So if we take 90% of that 4%, 3.6% of them are around you and "not acting on it".
Why aren't people who torture animals like slaughter them alive at the dog and cat festival , shamed as much as people who haven't even committed a crime but have a fucked up sexual attraction and are working to fix it?
It's because we're irrational creatures, people don't want to think about it plus it's a primitive desire to protect children so that's also in play here.
@@gary7867 How do you know that? Where did you get that information send me a link? In any case some people are born like this, you don't deserve to die just for having these thoughts alone.
I have a problem with this. People are asking for help and instead of giving them help, they are shunned and arrested. This is putting kids in more danger. Society talk about mental illness when it is convenient but don't want to do anything about it.
Nituraa No one is blaming people who are uncomfortable to have their kids around pedos. What OP is saying is that it's counterproductive to lock these people up when they seek help because then potential offenders are gonna see getting help as a one way ticket to an early death or being locked up. We need these people to open up about their illness and seek help so their desires won't win them over. Antagonization of what's unfamiliar to us will only lead us down an even darker part of the rabbit hole.
People who are homicidal, and those who have pedophilia that work their hardest to suppress their desires and seek help have my upmost respect. I can’t imagine living life everyday with those distressing those urges
exactly. not to conflate that with sympathy for those who do though- as soon as that line is crossed i cease to have any respect for the person. but having to battle such disgusting urges full well knowing how awful they are, on top of the shame truly must be really hard to do. i hope there is some sort of “cure” or effective treatment in the future.
@@finnegan728 Yeah I agree except that I’ll admit I actually do struggle with too much sympathy for people I shouldn’t though. As soon as I hear someone’s sob story I just feel so bad even if they’ve done things that should make me despise them, and that makes me easily manipulated. I wish there was a cure as well, along with all mental health problems but for now I hope we as a society start recognizing that people’s desires aren’t their actions.
There’s a difference between “normalize” and “de-stigmatize”. They are not trying to normalize pedophilia. It is a mental disorder, it is not normal. But society needs to be more sympathetic towards a human being asking for help with a problem they have.
@@wakousyremu8946 Scientific definitions aren't the same as colloquial usage of a word, I wouldn't expect a professional to use common man lingo during an interview like this. Paraphilia is basically defined as 'abnormal sexual orientations', it's not implying it's safe to act upon.
I disagree , its not "sympathetic" Society should be more practical and quick toward it , if it is a mental disorder doesn't make it (should be sympathized with) , serial killers have mental disorders , psychopaths have mental disorders , so should we be more sympathetic with them ? , The thing is THEY ARE DANGEROUS They need to be dealt with efficiently and quickly , they should be put ander watch and heavy treatment and therapy and never be (sympathized with)
ATTENTION! There is a New Group; a new Faction, called MAP: While i have respect for those that realize they are deeply sick and need to be trated, for their own good and the good of Children, and have not much to say in this comment about actual s-offenders, not enough know that a new (negative) Thing starts to show up: Those that accept they are Pedo's BUT do not find it bad. MAP tried to lower the age of consent, tries to argue bullfluff and is just overall being very d-gusting. Please do inform yourself, so we might all get it right in the End: Being a pedo is objectively negative, but not a conagous Evilness that you just have to surrender to. Both facts are important to know.
why are people disliking this informative video? We need to like these videos so Vice understands that we do not want biased political news but what the old Vice gave ( unbiased and informative news)
Becose this normalizes pedofilia and even makes them victims (and they are in a way) but we can not allow ourselfs to threat them like anny other sexual group becose a child can never consent.
@@smokymountainangoras The thought is not normalized. They state that this needs to be caught before they act without being judged. Your comment is basically saying all who fantasize about killing should be killed instead of helped. I agree, they should NEVER be allowed to act on these urges (and if they do, they need to be punished), but they should not be killed or eradicated because that would be to kill an innocent human. I would not say that it would ever be OK to have them work around children but you cannot ignore that they are seeking help instead of acting on these urges. I will say, relying on the patients for their statistics is insanity according to me.
I don't get downvoting this video. This is educational and informative + could potentially prevent someone from committing a crime if they can get the help they need. If you care about protecting children, you have to support getting help for the people born with this orientation. Also, we have to give credit to the work this reporter is doing. Downvoting his videos is not indicative of the level of work or quality journalism he demonstrates. He does a great job asking the tough questions, maintaining context and not dancing around the topic. All of which we should commend.
No it’s downvoted because now these bullshit propagandists are calling pedophilia a “sexual orientation”. It’s a mental illness not a sexual orientation.What’s next? Civil rights and legalization of pedophilia?
Chavez586 Ideas like this harm children more than help them. As a victim, your mentality makes it harder to actually HELP children. Non offending people need HELP.
You can do nothing. The disease has spread (pedophilia), and it has managed to affect 10% of the Earth’s population, and international law will allow it as a sexual orientation. When you leave your home, you will see at least 3 people with this deviation, and you do not know
@@GigaChadh976 Yes, there is. B4U-ACT and even finding a MHP not with their help. Though that takes time, but is doable. One must also define just what they mean by "therapy". More mindfulness, less prevention BS. I'm also for psychotherapy, aka, talk therapy.
It’s a sick sad situation all around. I was watching a segment where a teenager said told his parents that he was attracted to little children and wanted to seek help because he knew it was not “normal” The medical system as it is now is not set up to handle this. Many psychs refused to help.
Very common story unfortunately. I know of one 18-year-old who asked his parents to find a counsellor for him, without saying why. After he told the counsellor that he was a non-offending pedophile, she immediately left the room and broke doctor-patient confidentiality to tell his parents. Some counsellors and psychologists have phoned the police, under the mistaken impression that they were required to by law. It's no wonder these individuals are scared and reluctant to get help and support. Fortunately things are starting to improve, with organisations who can refer pedophiles to therapists who specialise in this, and some counsellors running online sessions. But if you are a professional, there are dangers for you too. You could be attacked by vigilantes. One counsellor I used to know was targetted by online trolls who called CPS on her. It's a terrible situation and I thank Vice for dealing with this topic sensibly.
@@3rdalbum welp, I mean thats how the world works right? Once you do this thing or that, people will think suspicious things or talk bad things abt you. I just hope one day people will have a better understanding not just towards pedophiles, but to other people with mental health struggles
It boils down to this: Are we going to keep letting our disgust and moral outrage against pedophiles get in the way of actually preventing the abuse of children?
@@richrosegold610 no. No it won’t. Socially barring pedophiles from ever emerging to seek help before they offend makes the world ever more hostile for your children. No amount of anger and outrage will put out a growing fire. Stomping your foot is just childish.
@@no.8466 the founder of vice? I think the thing with pedophiles is you cant tell by looking at someone. Doctors, actors, teachers of all levels, swim coaches, electricians, literally anyone could be a pedophile and no one will know unless they commit the crime
If you have pedophilia tendencies and are willing to actually admit it, that most likely means you REALLY don't want to act on them. This should be encouraged and resources made available. These guys may not be able to control what their minds and bodies react to, but actually admitting it shows a lot of self awareness and the will to do the right thing. It's hard to get your average alcoholic or gambling addict to even admit they have a problem. I can't imagine how hard it is for these guys to admit it.
@@coffeeislyf5969 i don't have (but still i don't have anything agains them just to be clear) but the pedos tried to enter in that community ,at TedEd one presented that idea and now a pedo in Canada has become a trans without operation and in this vid they told that they ate a sexual orientation.
@@coffeeislyf5969 he also wanted to do a pool party only with him and kids without their parents allowed but that maybe only fearmongering after being discovered that he/she had strange conversations with underaged girls.
Self control is everything... it's the first step to freedom. Having thoughts and feeling a certain way does not mean you have to act on it. It _does_ mean you need to dig deeper spiritually to be able to be completely free of those thoughts.
Exactly! People do what they want and then say they are born that way! I say that is bullshit! You have free will. You are not a result of your genes... you can have SELF-CONTROL! We are not only animals... we have rational thinking and reasoning; THUS, THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD BE LIKING CHILDREN. Control yourself and figure out why you are like that and get help.
Do you like gays or blacks? Even if the answer to the OPs question was yes, and you were skeptical of him because of his attraction base, that would just be a variation of the slur that our loins dominate our thought processes, as well as trying to make it seem like there is something inherently noble about a someone not wanting to have the type of romantic relationships that are natural for them to desire; and something intrinsically sinister or selfish about the reverse. As to whether MAPs/Youth-based chronophiles(nepiophiles, pedophiles, hebephiles, etc.) can or can't control their attraction, Personally, I don't understand how a male could be attracted to another male. But I understand that it exists and I accept it as a valid desire of love and sexual pleasure between two people who both have this as a natural attraction. I think YB chronophilias are natural attraction like any other ones, also; pedophilia in no way fit the criteria for a mental illness despite being included in the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel, the “bible” for mental health professionals in North America and even abroad] for purely political reasons. I'm not attracted to pre-pubescents myself, but I accept it as a natural attraction just as I accept homosexuality despite not “swinging” in that direction either. Also, the way I see it is MAP attractions are just a preferences within the general framework of the typical heterosexual attraction base (in the case of MAPs I've interviewed and researched, as there are homosexual and bisexual hebephiles too, of course). One respondent thinks adolescents "are the most wonderful, creative, and appealing human beings on this planet on all conceivable levels, and he thinks "they are much more attractive on a physical, emotional, social, and spiritual level than most adult women". I would opine that MAPs feel this way about youths in their age of attraction, just as mainstream gay men feel this way about other men and mainstream adult lesbians feel this way about other women, even those of different orientations cannot quite understand it from their own perspectives. We can't say that all people have X preferences, and everyone who happens to have Y preferences must all lack control in some way. We all have disparate preferences, and we can't expect everyone to prefer people in their own age group as being attractive only, just as we cannot expect everyone to prefer someone of the opposite gender or of the same race or ethnic background (there are white women who love black men, white men who love Asian women, men who prefer other men, and older people who prefer younger people...and vice versa).
Further, we have a tendancy to fetishize attraction, insisting that peopIe find certain attributes, such as big penises, big breasts, peopIe of a certain age group onIy, etc., to be attractive. And as such, I think that MAPS naturaIIy disrupt this sociaI programming, which is one reason people see their attractions as unatural...they aren't as easy to ''program'' as the 'average' person.
Yet more peopIe(most who are non-MAPs) than ever before have begun coming out of the woodwork who are facilitating more progressive and/or ''agnostic'' views toward the societal assumption that MAPs can control their attractions, often risking brutal moraIizing attacks that demand they Iose their jobs, losing their pubIication deaIs, and sometimes even facing threats to their Iives.
And as more time passes, it is bec0ming apparent where the actuaI int3grity on this subject originates, compared to the expedient "yes-man" compIicity that is far safer to pr0pagate in the present c1imate and which makes her0es out of unbaIanced fear-mongers wh0 are quick to brand courageous contenders of th3 status qu0 names.
@@misterminutes4504 straight is not being attracted to little girls its for grown women. So since they dont fit into that thyre lgbtq since everything except straights are part of that.
@@ew264 I want you to define what a sexuality is cause what you said surely isn’t. It’s like how Jeffrey Damher only liked boys and didn’t attack any girls except it’s straight, There are a lot of sexualities but liking children isn’t a sexuality s o therefore they aren’t apart of the LGBTQ+ community
@@dmoncxild3440 there is currently a sexuality in the lgbtq community which is about being attracted to old people so being attracted to young people isnt any different. Just accept theyre part of yall its not like anyone in that community is a saint anyway.
This was such an uncomfortable watch Every bone in my body is screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO But then my brain just like I mean it technically makes sense you should listen to others experiences
Congrats you've used your head more than an alarmingly large portion of the commenters on this video. But yeah, it's easy to think with emotions and just get mad/uncomfortable because the subject matter is about pedophilia, it's much harder to be pragmatic about it. The next step is pushing for these services to be provided in our home countries.
Isn't pedophilia the attraction not the act? Like I've never heard someone being charged with pedophilia but with child molestation or possession of child pornography. I just think most crime is just reactionary rather than preventive.
@@umbrellaunderdog No THIS is bs. Admitting to attractions to a proper therapist that will never tell anyone about it unless they show clear inclination to act on it will help them stop obsessing over kids to the point that it takes over their life. It's absolutely miserable to live in such a way
That’s a law that was put in place in Germany put child sex abuse is still high there. That isn’t going to work. Not all Pedophilles that abused children did it because help wasn’t available they did because they wanted to, an so rationalize that a child body is made for sex. That’s why those who seek treatment and therapy still have high probability to offend and still offend. In the American medical enclyopedia book Pedophilles brains show little to zero concern for the effect the affect they have on kids.
Forgive me, I meant to say that a law put in place in Germany if pedophiles seek treatment and admit to viewing child sexual abuse material, considering molesting children, or have done it, Therapists are not legally obligated to tell the police anymore for their protection and so they can continue to seek treatment. This law that was put in place did nothing to stop child sex abuse because I’m Germany child sex abuse is still high.
That PSA felt awkward at first and that automatically made me feel sick. Still have an upset stomach feeling after this. You can call it bias, but no idea why people would do that stuff to kids. If there's treatment, please take it.
why would you want to do that stuff to a grown women? why is she appealing to you? she just is, it's hardwired by biology. same with the pedophile but with children.
TheBucketSkill grown women are developed and mature. Children haven’t fully developed their brain to understand reality. That’s why pedophiles are evil and creepy.
There isn't a "treatment" for disorders that occur developmentally. Past a certain age... The brain will hardwire parts of itself permanently. Unfortunately, "curing" these people isn't simply like learning a new language or musical instrument. Their brains are "set". The same goes for psychopaths, there aren't treatments or cures because their brain has been developed in a certain way due to genetics and their developmental environment (experiences). We simply can't restructure brains :/ that's sci-fi.
Yo, I genuinely like how brutally honest this guy is with his questions. It may come off rude to some people, but I think it hits perfect especially with a topic as hard as this.
MAP tried to lower the age of consent, tries to argue bullfluff and is just overall being very d-gusting. Please do inform yourself, so we might all get it right in the End: Being a pedo is objectively negative, but not a conagous Evilness that you just have to surrender to. Both facts are important to know.
@@slevinchannel7589 its natural human instinct to start to become attracted to some girls when they hit puberty, as it is throughout all of nature throughout all history until very recently for humans in many places, kids are often subject to not growing up properly these days so its societal structure that makes it wrong though their are some exceptions to the rule and not all kids are childish and immature, some kids are more mature than most adults who never seem to grow up thanks to that same societal structure, thats the main reason it may be wrong now days
It shouldn’t... I’m a 15 yo teen and I totally understand their position and you should feel sad for them seriously because the people who are uncomfortable with them is the persons who push them to isolation and to commit abuses
Cannot believe amount of outrages comments in this section saying all pedophiles including non offending pedophiles deserve to die a slow agonizingly painful death, how can you desrve any kind of punishment if you haven't committed a crime or hurt anyone? What is wrong with you people?
He said he relies solely on the patients to tell him wether they have acted upon pedophilia.I think the patients feel safe and comfortable enough to actually come to the doc to tell him wether they acted or not which shows he maybe right.Although I wouldnt trust my child around anyone regardless wether I know or not.At least they are seeking treatment for their problem.Which I can respect.But still is a high risk tho them being around what tempts them
Hood Mukbangs definitely can agree with that. The doc even knows that it’s not a good enough measure..... but what can you really do to measure that result? Asking the question and analyzing the response seems at first to be all you could do without violating their basic human rights.
I view this article in the same "Social stigma light" as an alcoholic, The AA knows their drinking is "wrong" but cannot help the urges occurring whether they are drinking or not. We as a society must work towards removing all of these preconceived ideas and stigma(s) associated with many of these mental / physical cases and then move towards trying to understand the underlying cause(s) if any so that we may try to configure different "rooms" if you will to assist the person seeking help. I have not had a single drink of ETOH in about 19.5 years now and yes, I do still get those cravings deep within my being but KNOW what will happen if I were to pick up one drink. so in that light yes, I can understand what it's like.
I disagree that they should be allowed to work at say a preschool. It's like putting a recovery drug addict as pharmacist's/nurse's/physician's assistant or something where they have constant access to their vice. Not only is it setting them up to fail, in the case of pedophiles the consequences are much worse bc their action isn't just them succumbing to their struggles. It's also them molesting a non-consenting child.
No way in hell .. now there maybe a couple of p out there that would be truthful but for the most part hell nah nobody going to admit to raping a kid I mean he'll just watch Divorce Court almost 95% of people on there won't even admit to cheating and they know the truths going to come out because they've had to take a lie detector test but they Steel will not admit to it until the very end or after the test results come back
So you think they don't tell lies when they say they are a non offending Pedo ? At the very least they are viewing online child pornography which contributes to the exploitation and sexual assault of children Online.
@Climate Fails That's a good point, I overlooked that. Even so, I'm not sure it would qualify as a disorder - the problem with it is that children can't consent, there's not anything innate about being attracted to children that means your brain can't function or that causes you suffering.
Agni _ i know right. I think what people need is to take one step back before tackling this topic. And know that there are good people even those who are pedophiles. I just know there are. You are never born a monster...
@@arcadicus_ezevius Exactly. Even though it's a very sensitive area, dealing with it as a mental issue can hopefully reduce the actual number of offences. Instead, you see people saying that pedophilia is being 'normalised'
Agni _ and they say it out of either pure fear, stupidity, or extreme ideals. “Normalization!” We get it. We know it’s not normal and it never will be. But why oh why should you deal with it in abnormal, immoral ways. Just calm down. I just hope that as this issue evolves all perspectives are learned by everyone so then we might actually decide together what is right and what exactly we could and should do. I also want people to read our conversation lol.
If they can’t reach out they can’t be helped I suppose. Recently Vice has been really doing good work! Asking these tough questions is what you’re all best at over there.
Mass Debater well, as a parent I get your sentiment, of course. Let’s agree to this at least? We won’t ever ferret out every one of them, right? I’d rather they come forward seeking help then acting on their urges.
Mass Debater I get it. I really do. I don’t want to be in the position of defending pedophilia (obviously) but I definitely prefer those people to seek help instead of lurking in the shadows (because we all know what comes right after that!). Again, if they’re too scared to seek help then those desires fester and I cannot believe that’s a good thing
bubble gumgirl69 they have ways to help them though. no different than someone who is suicidal. you cant cure being suicidal but you can help someone stray from the thoughts
ah nice observation(for those who are clueless check the video description). Refreshing to see someone get it right for once! More accurately, it is an ongoing attraction to prepubescents aged 3-10 and in some cases up to 13 based on the five stages of The Tanner Scale of physical development used. (Some 14-15 YOs do not reach puberty in stages 2 or 3; many do in stage 4, and some do in s5.)
Attraction to adolescents aged 11-14 is hebephilia(one of the four youth-based chronophilias) which corresponds to tanner stages 2 and 3. However, most hebes tend to be attracted to girls aged 12-17(hebephebophilia), and many of them are also attracted to adult women, provided those women aren't too old. While it has a prevalence rate of 18%, and it's normal for most adults to have some measure of attraction to adolescents (despite all of the denial surrounding it due to the fact that it's a cultural taboo to acknowledge the attractiveness of young teens) what distinguishes a hebephile from a typical adult male is that they actually have a preference for young teens. Another thing, the attractions of the two groups I described are not just sexual...they have a desire to actually date and romance youths in their age of attraction, and to be a part of their entire world, not simply to have s3x with them.
These people have the right to receive mental help, but bra, there isn't a chance in hell it should be okay for you to work around children. That's like a person with a history of drug abuse asking to be in control of the Methodone in a drug treatment program. Yeah, no. It's just not reasonable. I saw that slight hesitation in that guy, I'm sure he knows that's not something that will work either.
Oh, I completely agree with you, especially for people whose primary sexual attraction is to children. I just hope that you also support profiling in other extremely high-stakes contexts.
@@fabrizio483 yea no ..... Killing people becuase they do crimes does nothing but encourage draconian laws and a tyrannical govt;system that does nothing but harm all of us
I was sexually abused throughout my entire childhood. It started at an extremely young age from a immediate family member. If society offered some sort of help or diversion for these types of people from the very start of them self admitting or showing signs and symptoms of pedophilia i wholeheartedly believe that i wouldnt have had my entire childhood stolen from me. I wouldnt have to spend the entire rest of my life picking up the tiny pieces of myself and trying to put them back together again so i am able to somehow attempt to live my life as an adult now in what little bit of normalcy i am able to come up with by studying and emulating adult women that havent been violently and inhumanly torn apart at the seams by their father. Sexual abuse has taken every damn thing away from me in regards to having a lasting and functioning relationship with a man. Trusting people. God there isnt a single thing in my life the abuse hasnt ruined for me. Society needs to make changes regarding how to deal with these people immediately so it stops destroying people.
@IndianCurrycelGod also doesn’t like it when you use his words to insult women. But of course you call yourself the king of virgins so who am I to judge.
I was abused as a kid. I fully believe if we had treatment and help for pedophiles available here, it could have been prevented. I do not think pedophilia should be accepted, but if the person has recovered, they should be accepted.
You do need some reasonable restrictions though. Like if someone is diagnosed with Pedophilia, under no circumstances should they be in any job where they are around children
i feel terrible for the non offending pedophiles. its absolutely disgusting but they cant help feeling that way. and the fact that its hard to get help, is devastating. some of these people genuinely want help, and havent acted on their urges.
@@tinfoilushanka3652 so saying that people with a serious mental condition need better help is "creepy" now? You're probably the same guy saying all pedophiles should be tortured instead of helped and consoled like any other mentally ill person
Disturbing yet intriguing. Another piece of humanity having issues and a weird kind of hope to stop such a situation. This 29th reason Germany is ahead of America when it comes to medical practice and psychological. This needs to be on Netflix or Amazon Prime as a documentary.
Ok but what about the immigrants in uk who weren't arrested because thw police was scared that they will be called "racist" if they do, or the similar crimes that happened in Germany and started one protest/march if i am not wrong?
Yeah, self-reporting is truly a cutting edge psychological tool that's not used anywhere else in the world. Have you guys tried using it on substance abusers? That sounds super ideal too.
Also the fact many people called non offending pedophiles “monsters” yet they believe it’s totally ok to murder them when they haven’t hurt a child. Lot of people are stupid and not smart.
It's quickIy becoming cIear which side the actuaI integrity originates, as opposed to expedient ''yes-man'' compIicity that is far safer to propagate in the present cIimate...and which makes heroes out of unbaIanced fear-mongers who immediateIy brand courageous chaIIengers of the status quo 'kiddiefiddIers' or 'pedophiles' without further consideration.
To add to this, people often claim to be concerned about youths being hurt by MAPs, youth fetishists(YFS), and those with chronophilic attractions(pedophiles, hebephiles, ephebophiles, etc.), claiming that they are not good for the emotional well-being of younger people(willfully ignoring the fact that 90% of contact comes from situational contactors who contact for reasons that have nothing to do with actual attraction to these youths and not true MAPs, YFs, and chronophiles).
To add to this, people often claim to be concerned about youths being hurt by MAPs, youth fetishists(YFS), and those with chronophilic attractions(pedophiles, hebephiles, ephebophiles, etc.), claiming that they are not good for the emotional well-being of younger people
Didn't know how broken the system was. Pedophiles are literally discouraged from seeking help because they can be reported even if they haven't done anything. Even antisocial personality disorder is less stigmatized.
when i tried to seek help, my first psychologist recommended a bunch of physical treatments like chemical castration and things like that. although it is extremely difficult to find people who actually want to help, there are some people. online forums actually helped me a lot more than therapy ever did. although my urges and thoughts didn't go away, i now fully trust myself that i would never hurt a child in any way.
“ so you could work in a school with kids and not be a risk?” “Yes it’s about mind control “ WRONG…. One of the biggest rules in not offending is to NOT put yourself in high risk situations. It’s called establishment of external controls.
Everyone in the comments is like “wtf wtf wtf” but was the video wrong? Why treat someone who was born this way and wants help like they’re not human? They can’t control it, so it isn’t their fault. If they act on it, then we have another problem. But if they are hurting & having a hard time, why not help them? They are people too. Don’t be so quick to write people off. How would you feel if it was you? Actually use your head and think about it.
Sam Miller he was not born this way liking children is not a mental illness so how is not his fault he wasn’t born like this you can’t not be born to like littel children’s that’s 4 and 12 he a grown man that disgusting Jesus’s made us Jesus did not make us to like littel Kids that’s nonsense mental illness is not people fault because they can’t control it what he have is a sickness
I think if you're attracted to children and you are taking active step to prevent offenses from happening either by seeking treatment or professional help, that's something to be commended. I'd rather we stop CSA before it happens than do nothing and punish the offender and deal with the trauma of the victim after the fact.
Yeah. I agree. That doest make sense. Orientation is towards gender. With that arguement i could that being atracted to asains is my orientation.... or. My orientation is oriental..... ill see myself out
@@alexhutchins5545 How d(u)mb are you? I could also come back with "Adult is not a gender." Gender means male and female, boys and girls (and trans). Is that not what it mean?
Society has absolutely no sympathy for these kinds of people. They didn’t chose to be the way they are and calling them disgusting, spitting on them and ostracising them from society makes the problem worse not better
@MARIAN ALEXIS ORTIZ GIL MENDEZ But if someone has never abused a child and is honest about their attractions, what reason do we have to shame them for something that they cannot decide. I understand why people don't want to accept them but I just think we need a bit more awareness on this topic
@@luciuspaullus1948 Some phedos did not do anything inappropriate because either their startled or aren't that sickening, but just implied affection or hugged kids.
Though it is considered to be a mental disorder by many in the mental health profession today and is listed as such in the current edition of the DSM (Diagnostics and Statistical Manual, the "bible" of the mental health profession), there are a growing number of MHPs (mental health professionals) who are challenging this notion. These open-minded MHPs are not making such challenges to "promote pedophilia" as their detractors will claim, but rather in the interest of advocating the truth. As such, these MHPs who have a dedication to truth and science over politics and moralism believe that putting pedophilia in the DSM has nothing to do with scientific validity and everything to do with making the DSM cater to cultural biases against any given form of desire or behavior that is not currently considered to be socially acceptable. The less than honest MHPs who cater to such cultural attitudes even when they do not coincide with the truth are often rightfully accused of politicizing science.
It should also be mentioned that hebephilia(prevalent in 18% or more of men), which is much more common than true pedophilia(5% of men) and which is often conflated with pedophilia by the media, is not considered a mental illness in the current edition (nor any previous edition) of the DSM despite its degree of social unacceptability.
TakodaRA right my blood was pumping watching that commercial if anyone’s eyes so long as stare at my 18 month old daughter for one too many seconds I start getting aggressive! I can’t help but to want to act in violence call it the predator in me or the mamma bear idgaf!! I think they need to have self defense classes mandatory in elementary and middle schools.
@cosmiq-空 I mean only in the states that this type of bull shit pro noun would be used,."non offending pedos" pffft a beast is a beast. U misunderstood my comment
@@amberchavez7231 you're insane. Seek therapy for your anger issues. Protect your kids but it's no excuse to become a pyscho. Get out in the real world and stop driving yourself mad on the internet.
Those who have these urges and want help should not be ashamed to get it nor should they be punished. They deserve the help they so desperately need honestly and seeing how they cry out for help proves they are willing to get it. Its no different than treating a drug addict in a sense.
Mr mans You can’t kill people for thinking about wanting to commit a crime, hell you’re thinking about wanting to kill people right now so you’ve got to go too💀💀
So I'm a non-offending MAP (Minor Attracted Person) and have been that way for as long as I can remember. It affects my personality too, and in this day and age it can be impossible to hide sometimes. Really sucks when you see person after person distance themselves from you and feeling so lonely. The best thing I could have done for myself is start practicing radical self-acceptance around it and other aspects of my mental health and life. You can't walk around hating yourself it will destroy you.
@@chamelcham55 I helped an 8yo who was self-harming, gave her some advice to talk to someone. How is this bad? Should I have just told her nothing? What bout all you antis... where were you?
Good for you! Taking care of your mental health is one of the best things you can do! I truly hope and wish that you find people that accept you as you are, and that you find happiness wherever you go.
@@Umarudon There is a vid (not saying if he's a MAP or not) about mental self-help for MAPs that I gave some tips/advice. Search for "Mental Self Help For MAPs ". Ch, Foxoqyl.
@@mikem7046Oh thanks for the recommendation! I'll check it out! Even though I'm proud of my mental fortitude and self-steem, and I'm doing fine, it's nice to see there're videos and channels that help others and maps!
This has always been a risqué and sensitive subject to talk about. Firstly, those who offend or abuse children should be prosecuted without condonation and never be forgiven. However, problems derive from those that are unwilling to offend children but are aroused by them. Sadly, most of the evidence has shown that for most of them, this fetish is inborn and sticks with them for the rest of their life(There's a German film Kopfplatzen that shares a similar story), meaning that many are struggling to control this desire that isn't their choice to have, thus, while strongly condemning the act of child abuse, we may try our best to empathise those that wouldn't hurt kids and maybe give them a rightful place in the society
The lable of this video looked like a joke at first because I believed all phedophiles were criminals before this video ....never even thought that ppl could have a biological inclination n not just a "mere preference" on this matter !! I respect that they r aware of what they r n seek help out for it !!
I must admit that I do feel sorry for people like this. They have done nothing wrong but are forced to live with these sexual urges towards children, which they have no control over. There are probably a lot of people like this, attracted to children but never committed any actual crimes, but are too scared to get help due to the risk of being reported to the police, being found out and disowned by their friends and family and being made an outcast in society.
I'm glad to see the number of rational, positive, and level headed comments. As an ally of non-offending pedos this gives me hope that we can create a world in the future where non-offending pedophiles can come out free from harassment and harm and get the social support that they need.
Non-offenders should seek help, but no way should they ever be allowed around kids. That's a no. It's like letting a heroin addict work for the DEA, and giving them access to all the contraband. They need therapy.
They should not have kicked that 15 year old out of school. That can obviously cause feelings of isolation and rejection and betrayal of trust in that child who will go on to become a minor attracted adult. That kid wanted help and they slammed a door in his face.
The school was afraid that if a student with a strong desire to harm other students was permitted to remain in the school the school would be legally and perhaps even morally responsible for any harm that might follow.
@Be S Age is a word actually. And there are called stages of development. You're not valiad. Prison sentences are also numbers. And so is the amount if electric bolts in a chair.
Reading some of these comments got me thinking. Hard to change my mind on some things. My mind wasn’t changed but I’m definitely seeing a different light on how we should approach this issue. I used to laugh at or cheer along in my head at the memes about killing pedophiles. And yes I think offenders should be met with punishment and harsh punishment at that. But non offending members of society who have thoughts should have somewhere reliable to go to get help. And they should be encouraged to do so. Because if they don’t get help or can’t find it or get shamed for asking for it then they’ll bottle up and then they’ll act out. Anger towards others only causes more problems. I in no mean support them after they crossed the other side and committed the act but till then we should guide them to help. That is the best way to prevent anymore children from getting hurt.
I truly believe this is the best way to prevent this. Somebody close to me was sexually abused as a child and I wouldn't want anybody to go through that so we should do everything we can to prevent this.
Someone who used to be close to me was caught indulging in underage imagery, and wasn't prosecuted. He's considered a non offending pedo, but I wouldn't trust anyone under age around them, ever. Long story short, I no longer associate with them. I hope they're getting the help they need, but not someone I want around friends or family. I had the decency not to put them on blast since I found out, but most of his inner circle found out anyway. I considered him my brother and will always have love for him at a distance.
As they should. I'm glad these people actually want help, and know that it's wrong. When the guy said that the thing he feels for the little girl, is not what she feels for him, is what made me open up that he knows he's wrong, and that he wants help.
@@johnyhotsox3218 nope homosexual are only attracted towards their own sex but they know which age they have just like us on the other hand those who have attractions towards child it's just complete disgusting.
Oliver Action they can control their actions and if they can’t then why should we consider them able being adults? If that’s the case all pedos should be locked up in prisons or mental health facilities till they can be put to death. Bet they’d figure out how to stop raping kids real fast.
@Rol San You can say whatever you want when your cozy behind a keyboard,but just know out there in the streets, there's bigger wolves that hunt wolves like you that harm inoccent children. I hope you get what's coming to you.
Most crimes, including sexual crimes, are committed by men. Some women have problematic desires or even commit crimes against children, but they are vastly underrepresented in the molester population.
They should not be allowed to "get caught", they should be given NO opportunity to abuse a child in any way. This needs to be prevented at all cost by treating whatever is wrong with their brains and by always keeping an eye on them, always tracking their moves somehow to know for sure what they have and have not done. How many child rapists do you think will admit to what they did? I think not many.
Pedophilia is clearly some kind of neurological disorder, I hope one day it can be treated and cured so nobody has to suffer because of it. What a horrible affliction.
@@Khalid-ic5hy there is an interesting intersection between fetishes and mental disorders, though it is widely agreed by experts that pedophilia falls into the latter category due to it's harmful nature both for the person afflicted and abused.- healthy fetishes are not disorders as they usually imply informed consent and not abuse.
self-report is considered a valid method of research when there is no other more reliable means to obtain data. That said, there are also instruments such as the MMPI-2 that evaluate psychological characteristics such as superlative self representation and psychopathic-deviate tendencies, which will tend to validate self-report data. The MMPI-2 is said to be quite good at evaluating the trustworthiness of self-report data, to the point that it is routinely used in the forensic setting.
I love these slippery slope fallacies in the comments saying that this is normalizing or saying it’s okay. The difference between this and let’s say homosexuality is when two consenting adults of the same gender have sex, no one is harmed (unless std’s etc). But if an adult does so with a kid, it causes severe harm and irreparable damage to the kid physically and mentally. So no it will never be normalized the way homosexuality is. The best way to stop it is to recognize it at its roots and make these people seek help. Otherwise they’ll stay silent and be far more likely to offend.
This is their activism. Everyone knows how paeds have been creeping their way back into Pride, trying to regain what they had in the 70s. Read queer theory.
@@Yellowolfgaming101 you haven't read enough queer theory. The idea that children can consent is common. Look up Jacob Breslow, for one. Read his work on childhood. From there you'll find more.
@@sia9907yeah those are rare instances of people that are wrong. Especially prostasia. Thats why you treat this as a mental illness and actually try to help people and hold them accountable vs hating them to the point where they don’t speak out and are more likely to offend.
@@Yellowolfgaming101 also see Foucault's (foundational to queer theory) arguments about child sexuality and the fact that he did abuse children. Then also see Rubin. Arguments on legalising child pron and removing age of consent laws key.
For people who suffer from this, I actually feel bad for them. They didn’t choose this. They are attracted to a group of people they can never ethically engage with. What’s more, their attraction is age based, meaning even if they could ethically engage with them, the people they are attracted to would age out of their attraction in just a few years. It can’t be a good feeling.
They weren't born like this. It's an evil and they deserve death. Can't believe how many evil people think this is okay. If you want to get them help, you're defending their actions.
@@jessicalynn21 But you will never know who and how many people are pedophiles, because they will keep it a secret and master that so no one will know (because they know how to manipulate kids and even adults). That's the dangerous part... It has to stay a secret, because if people know they will get puked out by the whole world. Even if they havent done anything, the fantasy has to stay a secret. He or she cant tell anyone. They know its bad, its sick, but if they tell people they get killed. By keeping that secret, and not being able to control sexual emotions,they tend to search other pedophiles (first to talk, then brainwash, share childporn), getting obsessed with it and then act out on a child... Its better to help people to PREVENT this to happen to a child. If you know you are about to get killed for something you cant just get rid of, a feeling, you'll keep it a secret. Yes, for us normal people its sickening, but this is reality. There are too many pedophiles who are keeping it a secret. We have to protect children and we are not protecting them if we let pedophiles alone with their crazy thoughts and secrets. That's how we create the monsters. They need help. We need to help them before they become the real life monsters.
@@jessicalynn21 right just like people aren't born gay. You guys are a trip man with your contradicting ass views on what's acceptable and what's not. Smdh
Elizabeth Letourneau, director of the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sex Abuse, is one of few researchers in the U.S is focusing on preventative measures to help pedophiles.
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Like, "news" tho? Really? Like, REALLY really?
Cause this looks less "new" and more like collegehumor apologizing for pedophiles.
How many Pedos are on the Boards at VICE?
They didn't choose
Lets talk abt asshole elite the worse of worse in this eh vice newss or u controlled too by them?
I think if people are inclined to abuse children they should avoid professions where they’re around children.
Yeah. An alcoholic shouldn't be working as a bartender and people with these urges should have no contact around children in their profession.
I think it would depend on the person. The risk is the same as a straight man working in an environment with constant interactions with women. To say it's impossible is false... but to ignore the likelihood that at least one of those children will eventually catch a teaching pedophiles attention is also irresponsible on their part. I don't think a pedophile who is self conscious about their sexuality within the context of the society they live in would actively choose to teach minors though. But that's just my opinion.
@@Soletestament The risk is nowhere the same as straight men working with women. In that situation you have two grown adults able to take care of themselves and handle themselves through maturity and growth. The other involves a child who is not sophisticated or fully developed yet physically or mentally.
Secondly a male working with females has the liberty of releasing his sexual tensions legally outside of work. A pedophile does not.
You mean like Bill Maher? Lol
It's just a push to normalize pedophilia.
If someone recognizes that they shouldn't be having those particular thoughts and urges, why shouldn't they be able to ask for help?
Marvin Martin we stop that cycle by euthanizing them 👍🏽
Fontana Ceiliosa that’s not going to end the cycle though. Because pedophiles will keep existing. I don’t think pedophilia should be excused by any means; anything that involves traumatizing children should absolutely be discouraged. But if a person recognizes that what they’re thinking is morally wrong, and want to change, they shouldn’t even be given the opportunity?
Marvin Martin it won’t. People think that wanting to help non-offending pedophiles means you just support pedophilia. I support people getting the mental health help that they need. If someone was having homicidal thoughts, I’d want them to be able to reach out for help too.
Fontana Ceiliosa nope. That’s not what that bill says. It will actually (hopefully) eliminate discrimination against LGBTQ youth, which is a good thing. It’s not a pro-pedophilia bill. With children younger than 14, mandatory sex offender registration is still in place. Before it was passed, an 18 year old that had oral sex with a 17 year old would be forced to register as a sex offender, whereas a 24 year old that had sex with a 15 year old would not automatically have to, as it would be left to the discretion of the judge. The age of consent in California is still 18, meaning that a sex act with someone under that age is still a criminal act.
ProfessorAlaska you probably also think the film Cuties is a good “coming of age” movie. Gtfoh
I liked this reporter. He asked questions like he was having a conversation instead of like a prosecutor. This was a tough subject.
Exactly
What is his name?
King Louis XIV your comment is irrelevant. Just like your country of Canada. The annoying, Upstairs neighbor of America.
@Thomas Jefferson NAUTTP NATHDTC ASITH It depends what you mean by morals. Everyone's morals are different. As example, in intercourses, I only disagree with rapes and harms. Let's say a minor somehow gives consent to an adult, is ready to start their sexual life and that adult is already known by the child's relatives and are convinced that adult is not gonna force that kid if it's too harsh for him or doesn't want to as well as in adult relationships, where no party would ever force the other one into an unwanted intercourse or anything else. If you are attracted to kids and have the same control as a straight/gay human who would never have sex without consent or without knowing it's not too rough for your partner, then, I wouldn't care anymore about your private life as long as I am sure no one's put at risk. I only care about safety, I care less about how that relationship's partners look or sth like that. I mean, I may not be used to sth like that, it could sound gross to me if you come up with an idea like that. But good news is I don't need to think about it, I only think about safety. If a minor has sexual attraction towards you and is ready to start their life, you should see if it's not too rough for him an intercourse with an adult after a long time deciding if that adult is trust-worthy. It's hard, because I also have some prejudices in my mind, Idk what's hiding in everyone's mind, that's why I need to check. I would be pretty protective no matter the partner. If I feel that partner could be a risk, I wouldn't agree with that relationship. But if you prove me you're not a risk (sth that's pretty hard, but not impossible), I'm gonna be perfectly fine with your relationship. I would never agree with abuses or rapes, okay? These are crimes. Consensual relationships are not. Maybe, an 8 year-old couldn't give consent because of not having any sexual attraction (as far as Ik, Idk if that's possible. At this point, I don't think so), but a 13 year-old could. If they're attracted to you too, it doesn't matter that I don't like the pattern of your relationship just because it's not the same as mine. Regarding marriage, I only agree getting married ppl ready to build a future with their partner, ready to encounter life and all the challenges on their own skin. These are my morals, okay? I may be a millenial, but I still think I have morals. I don't believe age is important as long as you are able to fall in love. I mean, there are lots of rapes and abuses. These should be prevented, but not all relationships are abuses either between adults or between adults and a minor. There might be very few relationships like these or if not, they're most likely hidden because of prejudices and critics. Look, to me, relationships are totally normal. When there are attractions between ppl who could give consent, actually give it and are ready to get in it and they are cautious about the others feelings and health too, then, Idc how gross it looks to me. Not everyone could have a relationship like mine. To me, it matters more what ppl offer, not how the person who offers looks. That's what influences our relationships of any type. Not how old is that person or stuff like that. It's not about your age here or other stuff like that, but about what you offer. Idk, these are my morals, you could attack me, I'm not the type to tell ppl how the person they have a relationship with should look like based on my preferences or how long they've been on Earth as long as they are able to feel attractions towards each other. Idc, I won't just look at your relationship if I don't like how it looks. You could hold hands and kiss without me watching you. Not more than that, I'd feel very uncomfortable and disgusted by an intercourse. As long as you care about everyone's feelings, safety and health, especially your partner, then, go live your life. Idk what Albertans think, I'm from a mostly conservative place, but my morals are pretry different and I have not against it, it's just my opinion based on what I feel actually matters in general and my experiences. When it's proved there's no danger around, I'm not worried anymore and Idc anymore. It's perfectly normal living your life with someone who you love and loves you back and none of you would force or hurt anyone
Yep youl like because white is allways right facts and evidence don't matter make somthing up about the Muslams.. It's true because white can never doit were saints Jesus died for our sins we can do anything Yipeee yaaay
If you do not support preventative measures for potential offending pedophiles, you care more about your own anger than you do about children.
Absolutely agree!
Spot on! You should be president
@@njhawksworth1588 Good, I want them to hide
@@skeletonjanitor The fact that they are hiding will not put an end to the abuse, indeed most likely the pedophile who does not receive any supervision will be more predisposed to satisfy his desires, leading to more abuses. It is necessary to put the person attracted to children in a position where they cannot harm them and incentivize others who are the same to voluntarily put themselves in that position. In this way, it is possible to effectively decrease abuse and monitor possible predators.
Of course, this does not mean that there won't be several pedophiles who will continue in their disgusting acts. Obviously, they must be harshly punished.
It's really nice and all, however those preventive measures tend to be useless, even quemichal castration somewhow showed to be unefective on pedos, the best way to deal whit them is just giving them a very painful dead, that might disencourage them, I personally think that using pedos to train police dogs would be a solid idea, seems to me a very efficient way to use them, that way your training the police dog's and the taxpayers don't need to spend money on them
Deep down that interviewer is like Naaaaaahhhh
Deep down he wants to attack these people.
Not deep down-- openly....he was kinds unprofessional
.like why go and interview them? If you gonna be condescending? Also while editing the final cut he felt it necessary to purposely includ his uncomfortableness ...like he isnt confident in himself...I felt like he was trying to prove to the viewer he isnt empathizing with the pedaphile or the ideas of the therapist....he was totally over compensating
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Not even deep down bro. It was pretty obvious.
@@guinnster1 I think it was an effort to portray the common perception. As a journalist, it would look weird if he appeared supportive or even neutral of such a controversial topic.
@@Brandi_Hill He is representing the common view of an oppressive society. His job is to make you think... Not to convince you.
Did it work?
I love this reporter. He never danced around the issue, he was almost insultingly blunt but I loved it. Have this guy do more reports.
Insulting isn't the word. He just asked what was on his mind and frankly it just happened to be similar to what we were wondering.
The reporter does look uncomfortable as hell during these interviews.
He gave me serious Walter Kronkite vibes.
He asked great questions I was thinking the same thing. I knew the comment section would be praising him.
Alzo Slade
Honestly if they can recognize what they're feeling is morally wrong and they seek to better themselves I can respect that.
You can do nothing. The disease has spread (pedophilia), and it has managed to affect 10% of the Earth’s population, and international law will allow it as a sexual orientation. When you leave your home, you will see at least 3 people with this deviation, and you do not know
if only people recognized wars as morally wrong as sex with children...
if someone is this willing to save others from themself then i love them more than myself
long ago same gender sex is morally wrong. now its celebrated. its only a matter of time pedophilia is celebrated and included in the group of abnormal sexual orientation knowns as lgtbqp
Only the action would be morally wrong, not the feeling.
Imagine being attracted to people that you didn’t want to be attracted to and wanted to seek help but couldn’t because of persecution. Man, we need to make treatment more accessible for these people
I agree, that said I would not consider pedophilia as a normal sexual orientation nor do I think orientation is 100% what you are born with (just about everything is nature AND nurture i.e. genetics AND environment). I think the significant association between being abused and becoming an abuser supports this fact.
It's a fine line between creating an environment/system where people can seek help before they commit these acts without normalizing or excusing them. Personally, I think the US should do a better job on giving people an avenue for help without ruining their life, but I wholly reject the acceptance of pedophilia as part of someone's identity. If someone with clinical depression sees themselves as worthless, we do not accept that as an intrinsic part of their identity, we use CBT to change those thought patterns/perceptions and we need to do the same with pedophilia (among other things).
@@Tyler-vw9bhyou both have the same pfp lol
@@crwth001lol
If I had those urges I would've sterilized myself a long time ago
It's an evolutionary anomaly. There's no treatment
Vice please give this reporter more projects. He’s one of the best interviewers you’ve had in a while.
Agreed 👍 👍
They need to give him some unbiased training lol
@Zabuza Momochi sorry that he wasn't comfortable enough to pedophiles talking about their sexual feelings towards children 🙄
His voice is so good and his demeanor/ I really enjoy him
@@earthing3696 I understand where you're coming from, but to be a successful journalist, you have to be unbiased. This is his job. Child abuse is serious, and if we can approach the topic seriously with maturity, then perhaps we can prevent more children in the future from being abused. It's best to keep the "ewwww" reactions in high school classrooms.
If you truly want to find a solution, you must listen to the TRUTH regardless of how disgusting you may find it.
Tina W thanks. I know it’s uncomfortable. And to be honest, I would not want my future kids(I don’t have any) around those with pedophilia. But I have no ill will on one who has the disorder and applaud them for getting help.
Jak Stone and your the reason we are so screwed up. Kids are going to be molested, all because ideologists like you care more about punishing people over some illness they have than about preventing the problem to begin with.
Fundemons it’s an illness, you need help.
Tallu Peck I’m no pedophile dude, and we all know pedophilia is a mental illness.
@Jak Stone society doesn't have the balls? Your opinion is dumb. You are thick. Complete offence.
You're a communist. If we lived in your society, you'd be the first one to be shot. Go to North Korea if you have such a hard-on for authoritarian justice.
I love how people have no problem advocating murder but trying to get help for a mental disorder is abhorrent
Probably they just secretly wants the non offending pedo to continue develop the mental illness instead of seeking help. Joke aside, letting them seeking treatment imo is the better option. It might cure them or at the very least help control that urge. If it fails then I'm sure it's not any worse than literally stopping them from getting the treatment that might've help them no matter how small of a chance. But go ahead and threaten them, I'm sure that will totally magically reduce the amount of pedophile.
@@monsesh1316 If anything it would deter them from getting help even more.
@@monsesh1316 its better than leaving them to their own devices that's for sure. The people going "we should just give them a bullet" don't seem to realize that it won't eliminate the problem, just encourage them to hide it
Exactly
It's subjects like the one in this video that really show how stupid people are. They don't want to try and help these pedophiles who admit they are pedophiles and want help. People are so damn stupid.
Thoughts are not crimes
@IndianCurrycel th-cam.com/video/0WQVZSpY5Gw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=m-U0SdSIQG2W2e8p
As you said someone cannot be criminalized merely for being a *minor attracted adult(MAA - pedophile, hebephile, pedohebephile, etc.)* since it's not against the law to simply have chronophilic feelings. One of the greatest social myths revolving around these words is that they denote a set of actions. They don't; they simply denote a set of feelings, which are not limited to sexual desire alone.
Also the danger posed by these thoughts are exaggerated by the media since 90% of sexual contact with youths are not done by *MAAs* but by *situational contactors/situational offenders(SCs)* who engage in contact due to reasons that have nothing to do with a genuine attraction to youths in the first place such as marital problems, stress, etc., and the vast majority of *SCs* are not the stereotypical strangers in trenchcoats who wait in the dark to capture youths. Most *SCs* operate within the home and sometimes within other institutions such as boarding schools. Sadly, the great majority of the general public presently sees little to no difference between genuine *MAAs* and *SCs*.
It is *SCs* who are responsible for cases where youngsters are violently coerced into sexual acts. Most genuine MAAs on the other hand ARE NOT violent and would not try to use sex as a way of inflicting harm on youths. This is why most peds do not seek to have full penetrative intercourse with prepubescents. Most only have sexual desires that are on the level of what a child is interested in.
Most peds would never treat them as miniature adults and try to engage in acts that were not developmentally suitable for a child. I have devoted tens of thousands of hours of research to this subject. Based on all the observatons I've made within various MAA communities and surveys I've done with MAAs, the majority of them like simple kissing and cuddling (including other low-level degrees of outercourse, but NOT full intercourse). The idea that they see them as miniature adults and want to have full intercourse with them, and routinly try to will them into sexual acts against their developmental level, is also a myth.
The "sexual orientation" remark is why there is this many dislikes
Yeah, I don't think it's accurate to call paedophilia a "sexual orientation." Also, his method for measuring the success of his programme is questionable. Other than that, I agree with that he said.
@@manmelt4037 I agree that paedophilia is natural and not a choice, but it's not a sexual orientation. Sexual orientation relates to the gender(s) one is attracted to; children isn't a gender.
I do believe the pedos think it is their sexual orientation. Because to be fair, how could orientation only point to genders?
I get that we might think their “attraction” cannot be “called” an orientation because it is absurd. But to them, it’s clear it’s their orientation, right?
@@manmelt4037 5:53
I don't know why it wouldn't be a sexual orientation, but - importantly - it is also a disorder.
Yeah I don’t get the downvotes. Real information, difficult or not, is real information
David Badiola probably cause of the subject. But definitely is informative.
Is informativ but scary just look at the history of gays:first persecuted then considerated mentally ill now "integrated in society"(for gays is ok and pedos i will stop in the middle but its look scary)
@@alexandrub8786
Homosexual intercourse is supposed to be beetwen two consenting adults, Pedophilia is NOT THAT.
@dante odinson
And what the hell do you care about ''nature'' ? Earth is overpopulated, human waste and our polution is disrupting the climate and ruining the environment and we have other hundreds of conflicts in our on societies such as civil war, politics, racism etc.
Homosexuality is NOT a fucking problem unless you're a close minded idiot.
MAGA and Kremlin trolls brigade news sources that dare to criticize Drumpf.
Vice is one of them.
From the look of the reporter’s face I can tell this is hard to sit through
I agree; difficult topic to cover.
What about operation paperclip
When he said _how you feel about women is how I feel about kids_ - that struck him deep. Thank god he hasn't acted on those feelings and I pray he never does. It's just sick. A child can't give you what a consenting peer can.
I feel the reporter was kind unprofessional. Seems like he got assigned this story and didn't really want to do it. He invlude a bunch of his responses that weren't really necessary like lots of gasp and sarcastic laughs ....its like yeah was determined to show the viewes he thinks those he is interviewing are out there or far fetched.
I think he looked quite calm.
What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that there is no legitimate way to criminalise sexual attraction, because that would be like criminalising thought itself. As long as there is no act, there is no crime, and a person remains innocent.
They don’t care, they’re too blinded by their rage towards this subject(it’s valid don’t get me wrong, but there needs to be a limit so innocent people aren’t unjustly punished)
"criminalising thoughts" is not somehow bad? So thinking about murdering a huge crowd of people - planning and scheming it - shouldn't be punished?
@@ALUCARD-us3il Wait, I know you (Play Harvest Dawn). I saw you on a comment I made about EDP on Ricky Berwick's channel right =)?
@@Latinarama I might have, it’s been a while, what did the comment say and can you link the video?
@@ALUCARD-us3il Ah never mind, it was someone named Enis P. Your name seems so familiar though, maybe it was a different comment
Better knowing about it, than acting shocked about it...
THEIR DESIRES ARE DEMONIC !!!! THEY DESIRE TO DEFILE CHILDREN
@Vast People ... is that how you’d feel if your child was raped ?
@@smokymountainangoras Your comments are a prime example of why so many men don't seek help for their problem. They can't change who they're attracted to, but with the proper treatment, they won't harm anyone. You're demonizing them for something they haven't done. You're basically angry with them for a "thought crime".
@@smokymountainangoras No, Knowing what we are dealing with is better than casting stones and exorcizing unknown demons. They haven't acted on it and they are telling us about their problem we should offer all the help we can not be shocked by the known problem.
Vast People... “And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’”
Honestly I feel sorry for these people. Clearly they want help to get better and instead of ostracizing them we as a society should help them get the treatment they need just like any other mental illness before they become actual offenders.
If they were saying “I need help with homocidal thoughts” no one would bat an eye.
Yeah I agree. On the other hand though, I think it's pretty understandable why people would rather stay away from them. If I had children, even if this person had said they wouldn't touch them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them. And that's the hardest part about it.
@@WariorKitty Well that's understandable. But what does that have to do with not providing them with any treatment?
baverfjant What is the treatment? There is nothing that will actually stop them from having their urges. It’s like anything else. They can’t help it.
Nituraa castration?
It’s makes you wonder how many people around you in real life are actually like this “not acting on it”
Also makes you wonder how many people accused of this aren't pedophiles or even bad people in the slightest...
This is about as logical as wondering how many people around you in real life are murderers. Cool thought, but your life will suck if you go around paranoid about everyone around you.
Well, first note that the prevalence of pdfla is 4% for males: DSM-5, pages 698-699
Now understand that pedophiles are not any more likely to 'act' on their attraction in the exact same way teleiophiles(adult attracted adults) or people with other attraction bases aren't. We don't usually see hoards of adults/gays/lesbians getting ready to pounce on unsuspecting adults/gays/lesbians when the next opportunity arises.
About 90% of s3xual contact w/ youngsters are by *(situationaI contactors)* who are not even driven by a g3nuine attraction to youths but other factors not in the typical PDP such as stress, marriage issues etc.
So if we take 90% of that 4%, 3.6% of them are around you and "not acting on it".
Why aren't people who torture animals like slaughter them alive at the dog and cat festival , shamed as much as people who haven't even committed a crime but have a fucked up sexual attraction and are working to fix it?
It's because we're irrational creatures, people don't want to think about it plus it's a primitive desire to protect children so that's also in play here.
cause their animals? and they're not mentally ill but it's actually their fetish?
@@gary7867 How do you know that?
@@robertkenny1201 they ended up sexting on children in online forums, and probably ended up actually doing the crime.
@@gary7867 How do you know that? Where did you get that information send me a link? In any case some people are born like this, you don't deserve to die just for having these thoughts alone.
I have a problem with this. People are asking for help and instead of giving them help, they are shunned and arrested. This is putting kids in more danger. Society talk about mental illness when it is convenient but don't want to do anything about it.
Give them death or your children
I do agree...but you cant blame people who dont want anything to do with these people. Their entire sexual attraction revolves around abuse.
Son Gohan Yeah that’s why we have to get fucking pissed and do something about it.
@Smashing Random Things yours first since you running protection weirdo!
Nituraa
No one is blaming people who are uncomfortable to have their kids around pedos. What OP is saying is that it's counterproductive to lock these people up when they seek help because then potential offenders are gonna see getting help as a one way ticket to an early death or being locked up. We need these people to open up about their illness and seek help so their desires won't win them over. Antagonization of what's unfamiliar to us will only lead us down an even darker part of the rabbit hole.
People who are homicidal, and those who have pedophilia that work their hardest to suppress their desires and seek help have my upmost respect. I can’t imagine living life everyday with those distressing those urges
exactly. not to conflate that with sympathy for those who do though- as soon as that line is crossed i cease to have any respect for the person. but having to battle such disgusting urges full well knowing how awful they are, on top of the shame truly must be really hard to do. i hope there is some sort of “cure” or effective treatment in the future.
And that's why you're cool, Lauren.
@@wolfbones666 Thank you, I appreciate that
@@finnegan728 Yeah I agree except that I’ll admit I actually do struggle with too much sympathy for people I shouldn’t though. As soon as I hear someone’s sob story I just feel so bad even if they’ve done things that should make me despise them, and that makes me easily manipulated. I wish there was a cure as well, along with all mental health problems but for now I hope we as a society start recognizing that people’s desires aren’t their actions.
Appreciate your comment. 😃
You aren't responsible for what you feel. But you are responsible for what you do with these feelings.
Who is responsible then?
There’s a difference between “normalize” and “de-stigmatize”. They are not trying to normalize pedophilia. It is a mental disorder, it is not normal. But society needs to be more sympathetic towards a human being asking for help with a problem they have.
@Karsten Fohler okay, but it isn't a sexual orientation either.
@Karsten Fohler What?!?!
@@wakousyremu8946 Scientific definitions aren't the same as colloquial usage of a word, I wouldn't expect a professional to use common man lingo during an interview like this. Paraphilia is basically defined as 'abnormal sexual orientations', it's not implying it's safe to act upon.
I disagree , its not "sympathetic"
Society should be more practical and quick toward it , if it is a mental disorder doesn't make it (should be sympathized with) , serial killers have mental disorders , psychopaths have mental disorders , so should we be more sympathetic with them ? ,
The thing is
THEY ARE DANGEROUS
They need to be dealt with efficiently and quickly , they should be put ander watch and heavy treatment and therapy and never be (sympathized with)
no men dont deserve sympathy
Tough issue... One thing's for sure. Pushing someone away who is asking for help will not be of use to anybody.
ATTENTION! There is a New Group; a new Faction, called MAP:
While i have respect for those that realize they are deeply sick and need to be trated, for their own good and the good of Children, and have not much to say in this comment about actual s-offenders, not enough know that a new (negative) Thing starts to show up: Those that accept they are Pedo's BUT do not find it bad.
MAP tried to lower the age of consent, tries to argue bullfluff and is just overall being very d-gusting. Please do inform yourself, so we might all get it right in the End: Being a pedo is objectively negative, but not a conagous Evilness that you just have to surrender to. Both facts are important to know.
@@marystapleton4858 because how do we know who they are?
@@slevinchannel7589 funny how people used to think the Same about the lgbt community
why are people disliking this informative video? We need to like these videos so Vice understands that we do not want biased political news but what the old Vice gave ( unbiased and informative news)
Its probably the people who say we should kill them all.
some poeple like or dislike videos based on the content itself. so videos like these get alot of dislike since alot of people dislike this practice.
Naganachiketh Chinnamuttevi WE DO NOT WANT POLITICALLY CORRECT PEDOPHILE CULTURE THAT NORMALIZES THE THOUGHT OF RAPING AND DEFILING CHILDREN !!!!!
Becose this normalizes pedofilia and even makes them victims (and they are in a way) but we can not allow ourselfs to threat them like anny other sexual group becose a child can never consent.
@@smokymountainangoras The thought is not normalized. They state that this needs to be caught before they act without being judged. Your comment is basically saying all who fantasize about killing should be killed instead of helped. I agree, they should NEVER be allowed to act on these urges (and if they do, they need to be punished), but they should not be killed or eradicated because that would be to kill an innocent human. I would not say that it would ever be OK to have them work around children but you cannot ignore that they are seeking help instead of acting on these urges. I will say, relying on the patients for their statistics is insanity according to me.
I don't get downvoting this video. This is educational and informative + could potentially prevent someone from committing a crime if they can get the help they need. If you care about protecting children, you have to support getting help for the people born with this orientation.
Also, we have to give credit to the work this reporter is doing. Downvoting his videos is not indicative of the level of work or quality journalism he demonstrates. He does a great job asking the tough questions, maintaining context and not dancing around the topic. All of which we should commend.
Some people will downvote just because it's Vice. They don't even watch the video.
No it’s downvoted because now these bullshit propagandists are calling pedophilia a “sexual orientation”. It’s a mental illness not a sexual orientation.What’s next? Civil rights and legalization of pedophilia?
@@Chavez58677 to deal with an unpleasant truth you first have to recognized it.
Chavez586 Ideas like this harm children more than help them. As a victim, your mentality makes it harder to actually HELP children. Non offending people need HELP.
@@Chavez58677 yes
We need to make sure these people get the therapy and counseling they so desperately need.
You can do nothing. The disease has spread (pedophilia), and it has managed to affect 10% of the Earth’s population, and international law will allow it as a sexual orientation. When you leave your home, you will see at least 3 people with this deviation, and you do not know
@@MohammedOmar-jo5ut10% will have to be culled, then.
@@johncaze757 The time will come
There is no therapy for peds
@@GigaChadh976 Yes, there is. B4U-ACT and even finding a MHP not with their help. Though that takes time, but is doable. One must also define just what they mean by "therapy". More mindfulness, less prevention BS. I'm also for psychotherapy, aka, talk therapy.
It’s a sick sad situation all around. I was watching a segment where a teenager said told his parents that he was attracted to little children and wanted to seek help because he knew it was not “normal” The medical system as it is now is not set up to handle this. Many psychs refused to help.
Very common story unfortunately. I know of one 18-year-old who asked his parents to find a counsellor for him, without saying why. After he told the counsellor that he was a non-offending pedophile, she immediately left the room and broke doctor-patient confidentiality to tell his parents.
Some counsellors and psychologists have phoned the police, under the mistaken impression that they were required to by law.
It's no wonder these individuals are scared and reluctant to get help and support. Fortunately things are starting to improve, with organisations who can refer pedophiles to therapists who specialise in this, and some counsellors running online sessions.
But if you are a professional, there are dangers for you too. You could be attacked by vigilantes. One counsellor I used to know was targetted by online trolls who called CPS on her. It's a terrible situation and I thank Vice for dealing with this topic sensibly.
@@3rdalbum welp, I mean thats how the world works right? Once you do this thing or that, people will think suspicious things or talk bad things abt you. I just hope one day people will have a better understanding not just towards pedophiles, but to other people with mental health struggles
Was that on Dr. Phil?
If they refuse to unite families they'll refuse help altogether
That's so sad and it really needs to change asap
It boils down to this: Are we going to keep letting our disgust and moral outrage against pedophiles get in the way of actually preventing the abuse of children?
My disgust and moral outrage against pedophiles WILL protect my children. Tf.
@@richrosegold610 no. No it won’t. Socially barring pedophiles from ever emerging to seek help before they offend makes the world ever more hostile for your children. No amount of anger and outrage will put out a growing fire. Stomping your foot is just childish.
It boils down to this: normal people advocating for desth sentence, and too tolerant people trying to force human rights onto a flea.
@@bbgun9076 I bet you have 3 hard drives full
@@RMED24 ? Full of what? I have one full of shooters and space sims, yes. And I don't even have the third drive.
this is a pretty balanced and calm report from vice. nice
No one asked you
@@no.8466 the founder of vice? I think the thing with pedophiles is you cant tell by looking at someone. Doctors, actors, teachers of all levels, swim coaches, electricians, literally anyone could be a pedophile and no one will know unless they commit the crime
Jesus saw that no one has to.
thats because they want to normalize this..... following the deep state agenda.
ouuuuu, vice likes your comment.
If you have pedophilia tendencies and are willing to actually admit it, that most likely means you REALLY don't want to act on them. This should be encouraged and resources made available. These guys may not be able to control what their minds and bodies react to, but actually admitting it shows a lot of self awareness and the will to do the right thing. It's hard to get your average alcoholic or gambling addict to even admit they have a problem. I can't imagine how hard it is for these guys to admit it.
Why all the dislikes? This is pretty good information.
david eakin Most probably Indians offended by recent pro-Pakistan videos posted here.
People who randomly dislike vice videos
Maybe because of stupid reporter.
THIS IS NORMALIZATION OF DEMONIC PERVERSIONS !!!!
Must admit that title is a bit of a click bait.
They want help and needed help, and we should help them. Though its hard not to feel uncomfortable towards them
Considering the recent history of gays ,yes it is uncomfortable and *maybe* it should remain so.
@@coffeeislyf5969 i don't have (but still i don't have anything agains them just to be clear) but the pedos tried to enter in that community ,at TedEd one presented that idea and now a pedo in Canada has become a trans without operation and in this vid they told that they ate a sexual orientation.
@@coffeeislyf5969 P.S.:You parents didn't tolerated LGBT your kids may accept LGBTP.
@@alexandrub8786 thanks for informing me though i didn't even know that a pedo became a trans. It's a bit alarming for the children.
@@coffeeislyf5969 he also wanted to do a pool party only with him and kids without their parents allowed but that maybe only fearmongering after being discovered that he/she had strange conversations with underaged girls.
Self control is everything... it's the first step to freedom.
Having thoughts and feeling a certain way does not mean you have to act on it. It _does_ mean you need to dig deeper spiritually to be able to be completely free of those thoughts.
You got the right idea 💚
Exactly! People do what they want and then say they are born that way! I say that is bullshit! You have free will. You are not a result of your genes... you can have SELF-CONTROL! We are not only animals... we have rational thinking and reasoning; THUS, THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD BE LIKING CHILDREN. Control yourself and figure out why you are like that and get help.
"dig deeper spiritually" Sound like you suggesting they become priests 🤣🤣
@@swanky_yuropean7514 😂😂😂
@@swanky_yuropean7514 the Pornocracy
People can’t control who or what they are attracted to.
You like kids?
Do you like gays or blacks? Even if the answer to the OPs question was yes, and you were skeptical of him because of his attraction base, that would just be a variation of the slur that our loins dominate our thought processes, as well as trying to make it seem like there is something inherently noble about a someone not wanting to have the type of romantic relationships that are natural for them to desire; and something intrinsically sinister or selfish about the reverse.
As to whether MAPs/Youth-based chronophiles(nepiophiles, pedophiles, hebephiles, etc.) can or can't control their attraction, Personally, I don't understand how a male could be attracted to another male. But I understand that it exists and I accept it as a valid desire of love and sexual pleasure between two people who both have this as a natural attraction. I think YB chronophilias are natural attraction like any other ones, also; pedophilia in no way fit the criteria for a mental illness despite being included in the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel, the “bible” for mental health professionals in North America and even abroad] for purely political reasons. I'm not attracted to pre-pubescents myself, but I accept it as a natural attraction just as I accept homosexuality despite not “swinging” in that direction either.
Also, the way I see it is MAP attractions are just a preferences within the general framework of the typical heterosexual attraction base (in the case of MAPs I've interviewed and researched, as there are homosexual and bisexual hebephiles too, of course). One respondent thinks adolescents "are the most wonderful, creative, and appealing human beings on this planet on all conceivable levels, and he thinks "they are much more attractive on a physical, emotional, social, and spiritual level than most adult women". I would opine that MAPs feel this way about youths in their age of attraction, just as mainstream gay men feel this way about other men and mainstream adult lesbians feel this way about other women, even those of different orientations cannot quite understand it from their own perspectives.
We can't say that all people have X preferences, and everyone who happens to have Y preferences must all lack control in some way. We all have disparate preferences, and we can't expect everyone to prefer people in their own age group as being attractive only, just as we cannot expect everyone to prefer someone of the opposite gender or of the same race or ethnic background (there are white women who love black men, white men who love Asian women, men who prefer other men, and older people who prefer younger people...and vice versa).
Further, we have a tendancy to fetishize attraction, insisting that peopIe find certain attributes, such as big penises, big breasts, peopIe of a certain age group onIy, etc., to be attractive. And as such, I think that MAPS naturaIIy disrupt this sociaI programming, which is one reason people see their attractions as unatural...they aren't as easy to ''program'' as the 'average' person.
Yet more peopIe(most who are non-MAPs) than ever before have begun coming out of the woodwork who are facilitating more progressive and/or ''agnostic'' views toward the societal assumption that MAPs can control their attractions, often risking brutal moraIizing attacks that demand they Iose their jobs, losing their pubIication deaIs, and sometimes even facing threats to their Iives.
And as more time passes, it is bec0ming apparent where the actuaI int3grity on this subject originates, compared to the expedient "yes-man" compIicity that is far safer to pr0pagate in the present c1imate and which makes her0es out of unbaIanced fear-mongers wh0 are quick to brand courageous contenders of th3 status qu0 names.
It’s sad because none of them chose this type of attraction. It would be the worst ever secret.
@@misterminutes4504 doesnt really matter who you claim they are part of yall since they aint straight
@@misterminutes4504 straight is not being attracted to little girls its for grown women. So since they dont fit into that thyre lgbtq since everything except straights are part of that.
@@ew264 I want you to define what a sexuality is cause what you said surely isn’t. It’s like how Jeffrey Damher only liked boys and didn’t attack any girls except it’s straight, There are a lot of sexualities but liking children isn’t a sexuality s o therefore they aren’t apart of the LGBTQ+ community
@@dmoncxild3440 there is currently a sexuality in the lgbtq community which is about being attracted to old people so being attracted to young people isnt any different. Just accept theyre part of yall its not like anyone in that community is a saint anyway.
@@ew264 Lol are you talking about “Maps” they’re just pedophiles, they aren’t even in the community neither are they accepted in the community
This was such an uncomfortable watch Every bone in my body is screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO
But then my brain just like I mean it technically makes sense you should listen to others experiences
I believe treating it a mental illness is a step in the right direction.
Congrats you've used your head more than an alarmingly large portion of the commenters on this video.
But yeah, it's easy to think with emotions and just get mad/uncomfortable because the subject matter is about pedophilia, it's much harder to be pragmatic about it.
The next step is pushing for these services to be provided in our home countries.
@@matthewarnold4557 its not a mental illness pedophiles have chemical imbalances in their brain, hence why it even happens in the first place.
@@tylermcmahon8157 I thought most mental illnesses were due to chemical imbalances in the brain?
Tyler McMahon “it’s not a mental illness they have chemical imbalances in their brain”
So... like a mental illness? 😂
Isn't pedophilia the attraction not the act? Like I've never heard someone being charged with pedophilia but with child molestation or possession of child pornography. I just think most crime is just reactionary rather than preventive.
Most crime IS just reactionary rather than preventative. You're absolutely right lol.
I really feel for these people. I only have respect for those who have the courage to admit it and seek help before any harm to any kids happen.
Pedaphilia is allowed in San Antonio
>.> It's bs the only benefit of these people admitting their attraction is to make it easier to give them punishment for it.
@@umbrellaunderdog No THIS is bs. Admitting to attractions to a proper therapist that will never tell anyone about it unless they show clear inclination to act on it will help them stop obsessing over kids to the point that it takes over their life. It's absolutely miserable to live in such a way
That’s a law that was put in place in Germany put child sex abuse is still high there.
That isn’t going to work.
Not all Pedophilles that abused children did it because help wasn’t available they did because they wanted to, an so rationalize that a child body is made for sex.
That’s why those who seek treatment and therapy still have high probability to offend and still offend.
In the American medical enclyopedia book Pedophilles brains show little to zero concern for the effect the affect they have on kids.
Forgive me, I meant to say that a law put in place in Germany if pedophiles seek treatment and admit to viewing child sexual abuse material, considering molesting children, or have done it,
Therapists are not legally obligated to tell the police anymore for their protection and so they can continue to seek treatment.
This law that was put in place did nothing to stop child sex abuse because I’m Germany child sex abuse is still high.
That PSA felt awkward at first and that automatically made me feel sick. Still have an upset stomach feeling after this.
You can call it bias, but no idea why people would do that stuff to kids.
If there's treatment, please take it.
why would you want to do that stuff to a grown women? why is she appealing to you? she just is, it's hardwired by biology. same with the pedophile but with children.
@@BillHicks420 I watched the whole video, still confused.
TheBucketSkill grown women are developed and mature. Children haven’t fully developed their brain to understand reality. That’s why pedophiles are evil and creepy.
There isn't a "treatment" for disorders that occur developmentally.
Past a certain age... The brain will hardwire parts of itself permanently. Unfortunately, "curing" these people isn't simply like learning a new language or musical instrument. Their brains are "set".
The same goes for psychopaths, there aren't treatments or cures because their brain has been developed in a certain way due to genetics and their developmental environment (experiences).
We simply can't restructure brains :/ that's sci-fi.
Prot When people talk about treatments, they aren’t talking about curing the disorder. They are talking about making the disorder less problematic.
Yo, I genuinely like how brutally honest this guy is with his questions. It may come off rude to some people, but I think it hits perfect especially with a topic as hard as this.
MAP tried to lower the age of consent, tries to argue bullfluff and is just overall being very d-gusting. Please do inform yourself, so we might all get it right in the End: Being a pedo is objectively negative, but not a conagous Evilness that you just have to surrender to. Both facts are important to know.
Pedaphilia is allowed in San Antonio
Makes it easier to identify them and punish them. =3
@@viberecord3323 you know what's funny, different countries have different laws about determining what age is under age
@@slevinchannel7589 its natural human instinct to start to become attracted to some girls when they hit puberty, as it is throughout all of nature throughout all history until very recently for humans in many places, kids are often subject to not growing up properly these days so its societal structure that makes it wrong though their are some exceptions to the rule and not all kids are childish and immature, some kids are more mature than most adults who never seem to grow up thanks to that same societal structure, thats the main reason it may be wrong now days
this was really uncomfortable but informative
why exactly was it uncomfortable?
@@Vzxee it's blunt facts.
pedophiles are people and deserve help, but it's kind of an unsettling subject
@@rorynator7567 true
@@rorynator7567 the help: shot in the head
It shouldn’t... I’m a 15 yo teen and I totally understand their position and you should feel sad for them seriously because the people who are uncomfortable with them is the persons who push them to isolation and to commit abuses
Cannot believe amount of outrages comments in this section saying all pedophiles including non offending pedophiles deserve to die a slow agonizingly painful death, how can you desrve any kind of punishment if you haven't committed a crime or hurt anyone? What is wrong with you people?
He said he relies solely on the patients to tell him wether they have acted upon pedophilia.I think the patients feel safe and comfortable enough to actually come to the doc to tell him wether they acted or not which shows he maybe right.Although I wouldnt trust my child around anyone regardless wether I know or not.At least they are seeking treatment for their problem.Which I can respect.But still is a high risk tho them being around what tempts them
Hood Mukbangs definitely can agree with that. The doc even knows that it’s not a good enough measure..... but what can you really do to measure that result? Asking the question and analyzing the response seems at first to be all you could do without violating their basic human rights.
I view this article in the same "Social stigma light" as an
alcoholic, The AA knows their drinking is "wrong" but cannot help
the urges occurring whether they are drinking or not.
We as a society must work towards removing all of these
preconceived ideas and stigma(s) associated with many
of these mental / physical cases and then move towards trying
to understand the underlying cause(s) if any so that we may try
to configure different "rooms" if you will to assist the person seeking
help.
I have not had a single drink of ETOH in about 19.5 years now and
yes, I do still get those cravings deep within my being but KNOW what
will happen if I were to pick up one drink. so in that light yes, I can
understand what it's like.
I disagree that they should be allowed to work at say a preschool. It's like putting a recovery drug addict as pharmacist's/nurse's/physician's assistant or something where they have constant access to their vice. Not only is it setting them up to fail, in the case of pedophiles the consequences are much worse bc their action isn't just them succumbing to their struggles. It's also them molesting a non-consenting child.
No way in hell .. now there maybe a couple of p out there that would be truthful but for the most part hell nah nobody going to admit to raping a kid I mean he'll just watch Divorce Court almost 95% of people on there won't even admit to cheating and they know the truths going to come out because they've had to take a lie detector test but they Steel will not admit to it until the very end or after the test results come back
So you think they don't tell lies when they say they are a non offending Pedo ?
At the very least they are viewing online child pornography which contributes to the exploitation and sexual assault of children Online.
The interviewer is literally me lmao, trying to understand but deep down I'm like nah I'm good fam
I feel the same. Like he was all about treating as a mental illness but retracted when the doctor called it a orientation
@@matthewarnold4557 I think he called it an orientation to convey that it can't be changed. Mental illness you can treat, but this isn't that.
@Climate Fails That's a good point, I overlooked that. Even so, I'm not sure it would qualify as a disorder - the problem with it is that children can't consent, there's not anything innate about being attracted to children that means your brain can't function or that causes you suffering.
i feel the same way towards trans ppl yet ppl wanna say thats bigoted
Good for you ig?
Being mad at these people is like making fun of a homeless person filling out a job application.
No it is not. You sound belligerent.
Ding, ding. I think we found a pedo.
@@ahappilydrunkpuppy8961how is that hostile or aggressive
this guy is clearly one of them
@benjaminwaldron1101 Yes defending someone's who's never committed a crime makes he himself a criminal.
How wtf do you deserve any kind of punishment if you haven't committed a crime?
because it's just right
@@LordVader066says who?
@@Samuelrodrigues_says people who want to feel morally superior but are actually assholes
@@LordVader066shut up, make an actual argument kid
I think it’s good that he wants help, 100% support him for wanting to fix himself.
Vito Scaletta but some people are just blinded by disgust smh
@@arcadicus_ezevius You can see people suggesting shooting them. How does that help in any way?
Agni _ i know right. I think what people need is to take one step back before tackling this topic. And know that there are good people even those who are pedophiles. I just know there are. You are never born a monster...
@@arcadicus_ezevius Exactly. Even though it's a very sensitive area, dealing with it as a mental issue can hopefully reduce the actual number of offences. Instead, you see people saying that pedophilia is being 'normalised'
Agni _ and they say it out of either pure fear, stupidity, or extreme ideals.
“Normalization!”
We get it. We know it’s not normal and it never will be. But why oh why should you deal with it in abnormal, immoral ways. Just calm down.
I just hope that as this issue evolves all perspectives are learned by everyone so then we might actually decide together what is right and what exactly we could and should do.
I also want people to read our conversation lol.
If they can’t reach out they can’t be helped I suppose. Recently Vice has been really doing good work! Asking these tough questions is what you’re all best at over there.
@Mass Debater ah, someone who sees a bullet as the solurion to evey problem that exists.
Mass Debater well, as a parent I get your sentiment, of course. Let’s agree to this at least? We won’t ever ferret out every one of them, right? I’d rather they come forward seeking help then acting on their urges.
Except when they said we shouldn't watch Dave Chappelle'd new special
Mass Debater I get it. I really do. I don’t want to be in the position of defending pedophilia (obviously) but I definitely prefer those people to seek help instead of lurking in the shadows (because we all know what comes right after that!). Again, if they’re too scared to seek help then those desires fester and I cannot believe that’s a good thing
@@fredkumar8569 your an idiot
Yea I don’t ever want this to be normalized.
They are not normalising the abuse of childre. They are recognising they are mentally unwell and need to be cured
bubble gumgirl69 did you... did you watch the video?
bubble gumgirl69 they have ways to help them though. no different than someone who is suicidal. you cant cure being suicidal but you can help someone stray from the thoughts
@bubble gumgirl69 pedophiles are the scum of the earth the only cure to the problem is lethal injection
Check out cali and SB145. They are in fact normalizing pedos
4 to 11? ah ACTUAL pedroflia. unlike atraction to adolescent.
ah nice observation(for those who are clueless check the video description). Refreshing to see someone get it right for once! More accurately, it is an ongoing attraction to prepubescents aged 3-10 and in some cases up to 13 based on the five stages of The Tanner Scale of physical development used. (Some 14-15 YOs do not reach puberty in stages 2 or 3; many do in stage 4, and some do in s5.)
Attraction to adolescents aged 11-14 is hebephilia(one of the four youth-based chronophilias) which corresponds to tanner stages 2 and 3. However, most hebes tend to be attracted to girls aged 12-17(hebephebophilia), and many of them are also attracted to adult women, provided those women aren't too old. While it has a prevalence rate of 18%, and it's normal for most adults to have some measure of attraction to adolescents (despite all of the denial surrounding it due to the fact that it's a cultural taboo to acknowledge the attractiveness of young teens) what distinguishes a hebephile from a typical adult male is that they actually have a preference for young teens. Another thing, the attractions of the two groups I described are not just sexual...they have a desire to actually date and romance youths in their age of attraction, and to be a part of their entire world, not simply to have s3x with them.
These people have the right to receive mental help, but bra, there isn't a chance in hell it should be okay for you to work around children. That's like a person with a history of drug abuse asking to be in control of the Methodone in a drug treatment program. Yeah, no. It's just not reasonable. I saw that slight hesitation in that guy, I'm sure he knows that's not something that will work either.
Oh, I completely agree with you, especially for people whose primary sexual attraction is to children. I just hope that you also support profiling in other extremely high-stakes contexts.
Thank you for this we need to fix this issues and study them so we can figure out solutions
@@fabrizio483 yea no ..... Killing people becuase they do crimes does nothing but encourage draconian laws and a tyrannical govt;system that does nothing but harm all of us
@@fabrizio483 get these people help 1st but if they commit the act then ya bullet to the head.
@@robertparaday9122 Would you not remove a cancer from your body even if it has not caused you any problem yet?
@@fabrizio483 true that
@@fabrizio483 ya bro I feel what ur saying.
I feel as though the ones who go for girls are not despised as much as the ones who go for boys. They should both be despised equally.
thats because of homophobia
that's really not the point of the video at all
@@noelleirina5628 Yeah but he was making a pretty good observation
And by equally, hopefully you mean a little bit by default, but overall according to actions
@Damon TragicVille whats acceptable? homophobia?
I was sexually abused throughout my entire childhood. It started at an extremely young age from a immediate family member. If society offered some sort of help or diversion for these types of people from the very start of them self admitting or showing signs and symptoms of pedophilia i wholeheartedly believe that i wouldnt have had my entire childhood stolen from me. I wouldnt have to spend the entire rest of my life picking up the tiny pieces of myself and trying to put them back together again so i am able to somehow attempt to live my life as an adult now in what little bit of normalcy i am able to come up with by studying and emulating adult women that havent been violently and inhumanly torn apart at the seams by their father. Sexual abuse has taken every damn thing away from me in regards to having a lasting and functioning relationship with a man. Trusting people. God there isnt a single thing in my life the abuse hasnt ruined for me. Society needs to make changes regarding how to deal with these people immediately so it stops destroying people.
Dang, sorry to hear that happened to you
@IndianCurrycelshame on you!
@IndianCurrycelGod also doesn’t like it when you use his words to insult women. But of course you call yourself the king of virgins so who am I to judge.
Respect for having such a clear mind even after all that. You seem like a strong person.
I was abused as a kid. I fully believe if we had treatment and help for pedophiles available here, it could have been prevented. I do not think pedophilia should be accepted, but if the person has recovered, they should be accepted.
well put and I agree with that.
U dont recover from pedophilia. Its not a disease.
@@murdahmammiez True. But I didnt know what word to use. Remidiated?
@@murdahmammiez well I guess they handle their feelings better?
You do need some reasonable restrictions though. Like if someone is diagnosed with Pedophilia, under no circumstances should they be in any job where they are around children
i feel terrible for the non offending pedophiles. its absolutely disgusting but they cant help feeling that way. and the fact that its hard to get help, is devastating. some of these people
genuinely want help, and havent acted on their urges.
you are creepy
@@tinfoilushanka3652 says the old guy
@@tinfoilushanka3652 how is that creepy
@@tinfoilushanka3652 so saying that people with a serious mental condition need better help is "creepy" now?
You're probably the same guy saying all pedophiles should be tortured instead of helped and consoled like any other mentally ill person
@@acreativename7999 what help do they need? like everyone else, they can pay for their own treatments
Disturbing yet intriguing. Another piece of humanity having issues and a weird kind of hope to stop such a situation. This 29th reason Germany is ahead of America when it comes to medical practice and psychological.
This needs to be on Netflix or Amazon Prime as a documentary.
Ok but what about the immigrants in uk who weren't arrested because thw police was scared that they will be called "racist" if they do, or the similar crimes that happened in Germany and started one protest/march if i am not wrong?
@@alexandrub8786 what are you even talking about????
@@alexandrub8786 what does that have to do with pedophilia????
Yeah, self-reporting is truly a cutting edge psychological tool that's not used anywhere else in the world.
Have you guys tried using it on substance abusers? That sounds super ideal too.
This is heartbreaking. Imagine seeking help for your issue and people rather see you dead than be your best self. Humans are confusing.
Pedaphilia is allowed in San Antonio
@@viberecord3323 except I'm talking about getting help for them, not which states allow it.
Also the fact many people called non offending pedophiles “monsters” yet they believe it’s totally ok to murder them when they haven’t hurt a child. Lot of people are stupid and not smart.
this interviewer was very well spoken and ask the questions that needed to be asked, 10/10
It's quickIy becoming cIear which side the actuaI integrity originates, as opposed to expedient ''yes-man'' compIicity that is far safer to propagate in the present cIimate...and which makes heroes out of unbaIanced fear-mongers who immediateIy brand courageous chaIIengers of the status quo 'kiddiefiddIers' or 'pedophiles' without further consideration.
To add to this, people often claim to be concerned about youths being hurt by MAPs, youth fetishists(YFS), and those with chronophilic attractions(pedophiles, hebephiles, ephebophiles, etc.), claiming that they are not good for the emotional well-being of younger people(willfully ignoring the fact that 90% of contact comes from situational contactors who contact for reasons that have nothing to do with actual attraction to these youths and not true MAPs, YFs, and chronophiles).
To add to this, people often claim to be concerned about youths being hurt by MAPs, youth fetishists(YFS), and those with chronophilic attractions(pedophiles, hebephiles, ephebophiles, etc.), claiming that they are not good for the emotional well-being of younger people
Don't keep scrolling, it's full of people who only read the title.
Even so they are not wrong.
Too late 😵
I wish I'd listened to you
Didn't know how broken the system was. Pedophiles are literally discouraged from seeking help because they can be reported even if they haven't done anything. Even antisocial personality disorder is less stigmatized.
when i tried to seek help, my first psychologist recommended a bunch of physical treatments like chemical castration and things like that. although it is extremely difficult to find people who actually want to help, there are some people. online forums actually helped me a lot more than therapy ever did. although my urges and thoughts didn't go away, i now fully trust myself that i would never hurt a child in any way.
“ so you could work in a school with kids and not be a risk?” “Yes it’s about mind control “
WRONG….
One of the biggest rules in not offending is to NOT put yourself in high risk situations. It’s called establishment of external controls.
💯exactly.
Everyone in the comments is like “wtf wtf wtf” but was the video wrong? Why treat someone who was born this way and wants help like they’re not human? They can’t control it, so it isn’t their fault. If they act on it, then we have another problem. But if they are hurting & having a hard time, why not help them? They are people too. Don’t be so quick to write people off. How would you feel if it was you? Actually use your head and think about it.
Whatever Lady Gaga
Billy leBullyhunter great reply! And profile picture, really shows off your originality.
Sam Miller he was not born this way liking children is not a mental illness so how is not his fault he wasn’t born like this you can’t not be born to like littel children’s that’s 4 and 12 he a grown man that disgusting Jesus’s made us Jesus did not make us to like littel
Kids that’s nonsense mental illness is not people fault because they can’t control it what he have is a sickness
Sameerah Powell I’m not even sure what you said in that run on sentence.
Jeremy Jackson exactly. This isn’t the case.
I know it’s controversial but at the end of the day these people need help.
Poor dudes, good on them for getting help. Better than the alternative of those who don't. What a fucked up world this is.
I think if you're attracted to children and you are taking active step to prevent offenses from happening either by seeking treatment or professional help, that's something to be commended. I'd rather we stop CSA before it happens than do nothing and punish the offender and deal with the trauma of the victim after the fact.
Children *are not* a gender, we shouldn't be justifying them and saying it's a sexual orientation.
@zxcvbnm I'm asexual.
@zxcvbnm wtf
@Mike M Stay away from children
Yeah. I agree. That doest make sense. Orientation is towards gender. With that arguement i could that being atracted to asains is my orientation.... or. My orientation is oriental..... ill see myself out
@@alexhutchins5545 How d(u)mb are you? I could also come back with "Adult is not a gender." Gender means male and female, boys and girls (and trans). Is that not what it mean?
Society has absolutely no sympathy for these kinds of people. They didn’t chose to be the way they are and calling them disgusting, spitting on them and ostracising them from society makes the problem worse not better
Worst part, most of us are victims of abuse
@MARIAN ALEXIS ORTIZ GIL MENDEZ But if someone has never abused a child and is honest about their attractions, what reason do we have to shame them for something that they cannot decide. I understand why people don't want to accept them but I just think we need a bit more awareness on this topic
@dennny sen ok sanist
@@calblakebrough7528 Accept them ??, Seriously ??, these people need help not acceptance.
@@anubiasnku140 They need a bit more sympathy. Part of helping them is accepting them more than we currently do
its sad because a lot of pedos were abused by other pedos as a kid.
Without them knowing the pedos did as a kid?
Eh that’s not really true actually
@@luciuspaullus1948 According to you it may not be, but I differ with that.
@@luciuspaullus1948 Some phedos did not do anything inappropriate because either their startled or aren't that sickening, but just implied affection or hugged kids.
@Mike M is that copy pasta
Pedophilia is a disorder, people with Pedophilia who didn't assault anyone needs help but the ones who assaulted, needs some serious punishment
Though it is considered to be a mental disorder by many in the
mental health profession today and is listed as such in the current edition of the DSM (Diagnostics and Statistical Manual, the "bible" of the mental health profession), there are a growing number of MHPs (mental health professionals) who are challenging this notion. These open-minded MHPs are not making such challenges to "promote pedophilia" as their detractors will claim, but rather in the interest of advocating the truth. As such, these MHPs who have a dedication to truth and science over politics and moralism believe that putting pedophilia in the DSM has nothing to do with scientific validity and everything to do with making the DSM cater to cultural biases against any given form of desire or behavior that is not currently considered to be socially acceptable. The less than honest MHPs who cater to such cultural attitudes even when they do not coincide with the truth are often rightfully accused of politicizing science.
It should also be mentioned that hebephilia(prevalent in 18% or more of men), which is much more common than true pedophilia(5% of men) and which is often conflated with pedophilia by the media, is not considered a mental illness in the current edition (nor any previous edition) of the DSM despite its degree of social unacceptability.
i hope they all get help but it is not a sexual orientation
Be San and jails just a room buddy get some help you’ll destroy a young persons life with that
It's both.
@Rol San hey when i don’t reply can you stop replying multiple times over multiple days didn’t know you needed so much attention
y’all still defending pedophiles i hope you’re put on a watch list y’all need help
Well your opinion is irrelevant it's a sexual orientation.
I would want people who are “pedophically inclined” to feel that they should tell me so I can keep my family far away from them.
A beast is a beast, only in the states this would happen
TakodaRA right my blood was pumping watching that commercial if anyone’s eyes so long as stare at my 18 month old daughter for one too many seconds I start getting aggressive! I can’t help but to want to act in violence call it the predator in me or the mamma bear idgaf!! I think they need to have self defense classes mandatory in elementary and middle schools.
Yeah me too. It would be a lot more helpful if people like this would tell us and warn us so it would be easier for them and our families.
@cosmiq-空 I mean only in the states that this type of bull shit pro noun would be used,."non offending pedos" pffft a beast is a beast. U misunderstood my comment
@@amberchavez7231 you're insane. Seek therapy for your anger issues. Protect your kids but it's no excuse to become a pyscho. Get out in the real world and stop driving yourself mad on the internet.
Those who have these urges and want help should not be ashamed to get it nor should they be punished. They deserve the help they so desperately need honestly and seeing how they cry out for help proves they are willing to get it. Its no different than treating a drug addict in a sense.
Mr mans You can’t kill people for thinking about wanting to commit a crime, hell you’re thinking about wanting to kill people right now so you’ve got to go too💀💀
@mr mans
You clearly don't get it lmao, He's not saying they can do what they want ...Holy God, impulsive people like you
@@Aron-ru5zk😭😭😭☠️☠️💀
So I'm a non-offending MAP (Minor Attracted Person) and have been that way for as long as I can remember. It affects my personality too, and in this day and age it can be impossible to hide sometimes. Really sucks when you see person after person distance themselves from you and feeling so lonely. The best thing I could have done for myself is start practicing radical self-acceptance around it and other aspects of my mental health and life. You can't walk around hating yourself it will destroy you.
@@chamelcham55 I helped an 8yo who was self-harming, gave her some advice to talk to someone. How is this bad? Should I have just told her nothing? What bout all you antis... where were you?
Good for you!
Taking care of your mental health is one of the best things you can do!
I truly hope and wish that you find people that accept you as you are, and that you find happiness wherever you go.
@@Umarudon There is a vid (not saying if he's a MAP or not) about mental self-help for MAPs that I gave some tips/advice.
Search for "Mental Self Help For MAPs ". Ch, Foxoqyl.
@@mikem7046Oh thanks for the recommendation! I'll check it out!
Even though I'm proud of my mental fortitude and self-steem, and I'm doing fine, it's nice to see there're videos and channels that help others and maps!
@@Umarudon Oh, and yw. Yes, it is good that there are vids like this. He also has one about MAP loneliness, that I haven't watch yet.
This has always been a risqué and sensitive subject to talk about. Firstly, those who offend or abuse children should be prosecuted without condonation and never be forgiven. However, problems derive from those that are unwilling to offend children but are aroused by them. Sadly, most of the evidence has shown that for most of them, this fetish is inborn and sticks with them for the rest of their life(There's a German film Kopfplatzen that shares a similar story), meaning that many are struggling to control this desire that isn't their choice to have, thus, while strongly condemning the act of child abuse, we may try our best to empathise those that wouldn't hurt kids and maybe give them a rightful place in the society
@Drake Carter So anyone who finds a 17 yo girl attractive should be killed? Gonna have to kill like 80% of all guys then
@Drake Carter that's like saying we should kill all straight men because they are attracted to women
@@kostascharalampopoulos3891 No . Its is not. You are just capping. Except the man is a rapist. Besides Children cannot give consent
@@Jessicaokolie I never said they can
The lable of this video looked like a joke at first because I believed all phedophiles were criminals before this video
....never even thought that ppl could have a biological inclination n not just a "mere preference" on this matter !!
I respect that they r aware of what they r n seek help out for it !!
So happy to see someone's mind was changed on this matter. I'd say this video did its purpose. And you, lady, are an open minded person! :)
The interviewer has an amazing voice
I must admit that I do feel sorry for people like this. They have done nothing wrong but are forced to live with these sexual urges towards children, which they have no control over. There are probably a lot of people like this, attracted to children but never committed any actual crimes, but are too scared to get help due to the risk of being reported to the police, being found out and disowned by their friends and family and being made an outcast in society.
I know it's sucks, it's like people think just being a pedophile alone makes you a evil person.
@@robertkenny1201 Yes, and people think every pedophile will molest children.
You're sympathizing with those who can't feel sympathy lol it's like the same for psychopaths don't waste your emotions on them.
@@umbrellaunderdog but you know what's funny, different countries have different laws about what age constitutes to a child
@@Sammie551 I'm aware
I'm glad to see the number of rational, positive, and level headed comments. As an ally of non-offending pedos this gives me hope that we can create a world in the future where non-offending pedophiles can come out free from harassment and harm and get the social support that they need.
Non-offenders should seek help, but no way should they ever be allowed around kids. That's a no. It's like letting a heroin addict work for the DEA, and giving them access to all the contraband. They need therapy.
I was with you until you said pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Its a mental disorder at least.
We have to properly define both terms first
it’s a Paraphilia
They should not have kicked that 15 year old out of school. That can obviously cause feelings of isolation and rejection and betrayal of trust in that child who will go on to become a minor attracted adult. That kid wanted help and they slammed a door in his face.
The school was afraid that if a student with a strong desire to harm other students was permitted to remain in the school the school would be legally and perhaps even morally responsible for any harm that might follow.
This makes me not have a child period, I would never want my child to know there is people like this in this world.
here i am as a 13 y/o child like 😀 anyways that’s why i carry around an alarm and pepper spray
Yeah it's much better to ostracize them than to allow them to be visible and seek treatment, clearly that has worked out super well so far
Your smart. Don't.
Good to hear. One less person breeding this planet into extinction.
Educate your child on sexual abuse and tell them it's okay to say no.
Age is just a number.
As long as its over 18.
@Be San And 911 is just a number too
@Be S Age is a word actually. And a prison sentence is also a number.
@Be S Age is a word actually. And there are called stages of development. You're not valiad. Prison sentences are also numbers. And so is the amount if electric bolts in a chair.
@Be S You're not with that mindset.
@Be S It's pretty obvious considering your comments.
Reading some of these comments got me thinking. Hard to change my mind on some things. My mind wasn’t changed but I’m definitely seeing a different light on how we should approach this issue. I used to laugh at or cheer along in my head at the memes about killing pedophiles. And yes I think offenders should be met with punishment and harsh punishment at that. But non offending members of society who have thoughts should have somewhere reliable to go to get help. And they should be encouraged to do so. Because if they don’t get help or can’t find it or get shamed for asking for it then they’ll bottle up and then they’ll act out. Anger towards others only causes more problems. I in no mean support them after they crossed the other side and committed the act but till then we should guide them to help.
That is the best way to prevent anymore children from getting hurt.
Right on!
This comment gives me life! Thank you for being open minded and having common sense, something this comment section clearly lacks!
I truly believe this is the best way to prevent this. Somebody close to me was sexually abused as a child and I wouldn't want anybody to go through that so we should do everything we can to prevent this.
Agree, and so far it seems like ethical castration is the best bet.
Someone who used to be close to me was caught indulging in underage imagery, and wasn't prosecuted. He's considered a non offending pedo, but I wouldn't trust anyone under age around them, ever.
Long story short, I no longer associate with them. I hope they're getting the help they need, but not someone I want around friends or family.
I had the decency not to put them on blast since I found out, but most of his inner circle found out anyway. I considered him my brother and will always have love for him at a distance.
Is there any way to help the non offenders? I actually feel bad for them, if they’re honestly trying.
The interviewer not having it 😂😂😂😂😂
As they should. I'm glad these people actually want help, and know that it's wrong. When the guy said that the thing he feels for the little girl, is not what she feels for him, is what made me open up that he knows he's wrong, and that he wants help.
@@euphoriarose201 i am so disturbed omg
@@notinorderdecent what
Wtf homie said he's attracted too children ages 4-11 yrs old OMFG SMFH
yeah and people these day are attracted to the same sex as well. It is all a biological error in the human race.
@@gummy3504 there is difference between pedophilicness and sexualities
@@johnyhotsox3218 nope homosexual are only attracted towards their own sex but they know which age they have just like us on the other hand those who have attractions towards child it's just complete disgusting.
@@gummy3504 *Psychological error.
Oliver Action they can control their actions and if they can’t then why should we consider them able being adults? If that’s the case all pedos should be locked up in prisons or mental health facilities till they can be put to death. Bet they’d figure out how to stop raping kids real fast.
Pedophiles should not be around children. Period.
@Be San don't cry when someone beats you to a pulp
@Rol San You can say whatever you want when your cozy behind a keyboard,but just know out there in the streets, there's bigger wolves that hunt wolves like you that harm inoccent children. I hope you get what's coming to you.
men shouldn't be allowed to work with women then, they might try something, and vice versa
@@SweatierAcorn feminist detected
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur hows that?
There's a huge issue with everyone thinking pedophiles are only men, especially this therapist who is supposed to be helping.
Most crimes, including sexual crimes, are committed by men. Some women have problematic desires or even commit crimes against children, but they are vastly underrepresented in the molester population.
You need intervention, but if they’re caught the punishment needs to be severe.
"if they’re caught". if they’re caught doing what?
They should not be allowed to "get caught", they should be given NO opportunity to abuse a child in any way. This needs to be prevented at all cost by treating whatever is wrong with their brains and by always keeping an eye on them, always tracking their moves somehow to know for sure what they have and have not done. How many child rapists do you think will admit to what they did? I think not many.
Pedophilia is clearly some kind of neurological disorder, I hope one day it can be treated and cured so nobody has to suffer because of it. What a horrible affliction.
It's a fetish and not a disorder dude. Stop being delusional.
@@Khalid-ic5hy there is an interesting intersection between fetishes and mental disorders, though it is widely agreed by experts that pedophilia falls into the latter category due to it's harmful nature both for the person afflicted and abused.- healthy fetishes are not disorders as they usually imply informed consent and not abuse.
I like how the reporter says incredulously to the dr. and you trust them to tell you the truth, come on now! That is your measure of success?
I know my favorite party.
Smuggly says "Oh! So they tell you huh"
"Doctor come on"
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self-report is considered a valid method of research when there is no other more reliable means to obtain data. That said, there are also instruments such as the MMPI-2 that evaluate psychological characteristics such as superlative self representation and psychopathic-deviate tendencies, which will tend to validate self-report data. The MMPI-2 is said to be quite good at evaluating the trustworthiness of self-report data, to the point that it is routinely used in the forensic setting.
It's important to note here, that various police forces throughout the Western world believe that non-offending pedophiles genuinely exist.
I love these slippery slope fallacies in the comments saying that this is normalizing or saying it’s okay. The difference between this and let’s say homosexuality is when two consenting adults of the same gender have sex, no one is harmed (unless std’s etc). But if an adult does so with a kid, it causes severe harm and irreparable damage to the kid physically and mentally. So no it will never be normalized the way homosexuality is. The best way to stop it is to recognize it at its roots and make these people seek help. Otherwise they’ll stay silent and be far more likely to offend.
This is their activism. Everyone knows how paeds have been creeping their way back into Pride, trying to regain what they had in the 70s. Read queer theory.
@@sia9907queer theory doesn’t say it’s okay. Only that it’s sometimes a thing people are born with. What matters is if they choose to act out or not.
@@Yellowolfgaming101 you haven't read enough queer theory. The idea that children can consent is common. Look up Jacob Breslow, for one. Read his work on childhood. From there you'll find more.
@@sia9907yeah those are rare instances of people that are wrong. Especially prostasia. Thats why you treat this as a mental illness and actually try to help people and hold them accountable vs hating them to the point where they don’t speak out and are more likely to offend.
@@Yellowolfgaming101 also see Foucault's (foundational to queer theory) arguments about child sexuality and the fact that he did abuse children. Then also see Rubin. Arguments on legalising child pron and removing age of consent laws key.
For people who suffer from this, I actually feel bad for them. They didn’t choose this. They are attracted to a group of people they can never ethically engage with. What’s more, their attraction is age based, meaning even if they could ethically engage with them, the people they are attracted to would age out of their attraction in just a few years. It can’t be a good feeling.
it wouldn't be a good feeling when me and the boys set fire to their car
They weren't born like this. It's an evil and they deserve death. Can't believe how many evil people think this is okay. If you want to get them help, you're defending their actions.
@@jessicalynn21 But you will never know who and how many people are pedophiles, because they will keep it a secret and master that so no one will know (because they know how to manipulate kids and even adults). That's the dangerous part... It has to stay a secret, because if people know they will get puked out by the whole world. Even if they havent done anything, the fantasy has to stay a secret. He or she cant tell anyone. They know its bad, its sick, but if they tell people they get killed. By keeping that secret, and not being able to control sexual emotions,they tend to search other pedophiles (first to talk, then brainwash, share childporn), getting obsessed with it and then act out on a child... Its better to help people to PREVENT this to happen to a child. If you know you are about to get killed for something you cant just get rid of, a feeling, you'll keep it a secret. Yes, for us normal people its sickening, but this is reality. There are too many pedophiles who are keeping it a secret. We have to protect children and we are not protecting them if we let pedophiles alone with their crazy thoughts and secrets. That's how we create the monsters. They need help. We need to help them before they become the real life monsters.
@@jessicalynn21 right just like people aren't born gay. You guys are a trip man with your contradicting ass views on what's acceptable and what's not. Smdh
@dennny sen shut up
People who say to kill these don't actually care about the victims, they're just selfish
Absolutely, they are just narcissists parading as child protectors.
@@coston7686 absolutly. I feel like these people are more dangerous to our society than no-offenders pedophiles.
What a bunch of pedophiles
@@jaigracejjoy stfu
@@Ricky_019 Fr
These people didn´t chose to be pedophiles, they are literally doing everything they can