@@CigarMick seriously, what's fun about that? It's not like Dr Grant was written with Captain 2nd Rank Vasily Borodin in mind. It's just a small coincidence.
You should see Skarsgård in the original Norwegian movie Insomnia (1997). Skarsgård plays the role Al Pacino had in the American version (2002). Skarsgård's character is a Swedish cop running from scandal. The setting is also a city north of the Arctic Circle -- it's called Tromsø. The movie is stark and filled with silences -- minimalist.
Early in the movie Captain Ramius asks the Political Officer, "How many agents has the KGB hidden on my boat?" Although it's never actually stated the presumption is the "cook" was really a KGB agent.
In the book, the cook was a GRU (military intelligence) agent. As the KGB is a separate agency, the submarine's political officer (KGB) would not know who the GRU agent(s) on board would be.
If I remember correctly, doesn't the book spoil the identity of the cook? In the book they aren't sure how badly the KGB agent has messed up the missile, so the USN sonar operators listening in just about soil themselves when they hear the Red October flood a missile tube and use high pressure launch air to eject the damaged missile.
Brief historical context around 1990: a year before, the Wall of Berlin was torn down and Germany would be reunified after decades split in GDR (German Democratic Republic, or East Germany) and FDG (Federal Republic of Germany, or West Germany); a year later, the USSR would be disbanded, putting end to the Cold War that existed since 1945. This masterpiece came at the perfect moment with the perfect cast and the perfect director. John McTiernan achieved create the basis for all the later movies about submarines (with permission of Das Boot, of course). And Sir Sean Connery (RIP) was a masterclass of acting. PS: "The Russia House". Another movie about Russians and Connery. Nothing to add.
3:00 "What happened?" Appendicitis. The surgeon showed up roaring drunk (killing her, botched surgery) and that figures into Ramius' decision to defect.
@@reuz5462 in the book the surgeon was the son of a party official so there was no justice to be had. it crystalized his hatred of the soviet union and his desire to fuck them over by stealing the sub.
And the surgeon wasn’t punished because he was the son of a party official. That was kind of a key piece of info that should have been included in the film….
One of the greatest lines from the film: " Give me a map and a stopwatch, and I'll fly the Alps in a plane with no windows." Every navigator loves that.
Also, it makes the maths theories you had in school important. A submarine leaves point A with a speed of 38 knots and there is a cliff 2.8 miles ahead of it. What is the last possible turn time for said submarine before it crashes? See, those lessons actually serve a purpose 😀
Jeffrey Pelt: "Listen, I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops....but it also means that I keep my options open." Best line of the film!
My personal favorite is "the hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch." That's when you realize Captain Tupalev made the mistake of thinking Ramius was still in command, but the American commander had the con at that moment.
You aren't >supposed< to figure out too early that Ramius is leading a defection. For those of us who grew up under the specter of the Cold War, it was especially tense.
I read the book as a senior in high school. The following week, I joined up and went off to boot camp summer of '88. After 'A' school, and Sub school, I was just finishing off Sonar Tech 'C' school when the movie came out.
@@chandies I've always been blown away that a sonar is so precise it can tell you the actual name of the ship it hears as long as it is in the database. AT least that's what I've heard.
@twinshark429 , it's not the SONAR. They have microphones in the water. Each Boat has a sound profile as each is made a bit different and each sounds different.
When Ramius was in his quarters, recounting how his wife died while he was at sea, we saw what motivated him to defect. The Red October being a surprise first strike vessel was another reason, but I would say that Ramius's personal reasons were stronger. When Executive Officer Borodin (Sam Neill) started talking about living in Montana, my spider-sense told me, "He's going to die." A beautiful story about his desire to live a good life was a strong foreshadowing.
The actor who played the officer on the ship that asked what all the hubbub was about was Fred Thompson who was a US Senator for many years for your home state of Tennessee and also ran for President in 2008.
and he was also on "Law & Order" for a few months during his last term as a U.S. senator, and he played that role for a few years afterwards. he had a very authoritative voice which helped him in his acting career. also, his second movie i think it was, "no way out" with kevin costner, is a movie that everyone who likes movies should watch. it is fantastic.
Magnetohydrodynamic propulsion is a thing, but basically only a scientific curiosity that's limited to small scale science project type things because it's limited by the magnets heating up and the low conductivity of seawater. So, exaggerated for movie stuff. I did 6 years on a Virginia class submarine (the class of boat that replaced Dallas in the early 00's). You get used to it. Basically, take 3 double-decker buses, weld them together end to end, cram them with machinery, beds, and electrical equipment, and then go live in it for 6 months with 135 other people, most of whom you probably don't like all that much, but would die for.
"but basically only a scientific curiosity that's limited to small scale science project type" Small scale or small boats? There were some prototypes of boats. Yamato 1 (98 ft, 33 ft, 185t, 3 people crew and 7 passengers). I would not call this small scale, this is the size of a small super yacht. Yes, but you are right it is limited. It consumes much power and you don't get much out of it. The Yamato could go up to 8 kts and the used 4 Tesla, which is more than an MRI has (up to 3 Tesla). So very slow and not very efficient
@@helloweener2007 That's tiny compared to an attack sub, much less a boomer. 688s like Dallas are over 300 ft long with over 120 crew. An Ohio is over 550 ft long with over 150 crew.
@@benn454 Yes of course, this was not my point. German Class 212 A is 183 ft long and they are the best submarines in the world for the task they were built for. Most silent submarines in the world, they use hydrogen fuel cells and a diesel generator. Dallas or Ohio would not be able to do this in the same way. So size is not all. I was talking about small scale, which for my understanding would be a model in size 1:2, 1:5 or whatever. A full smaller ship is not scale. It is a smaller ship. That was my point. MHD works in full scale ships, it just does not make sense to use it because of all the disadvantages.
@@helloweener2007 You literally said, "I would not call this small scale, this is the size of small super yacht." But it IS small scale compared to American and Russian subs.
Great movie. One that I remember seeing in the theater. Addie, you're right, this is the first 'Jack Ryan' movies based on the novels. Ryan is later played by Harrison Ford for two films and than by Ben Affleck once and then Chris Pine for one. John Krasinski is now portraying Ryan in the Amazon series.
Jack Ryan is a character created by Tom Clancy and is the protagonist of most of his books. I was a big fan of most of them, although I think Clancy should have moved on to other characters from the series sooner than he did - eventually it started to get a little unbelievable that Jack Ryan could have done so much and ended up where he did. But I think my favorite Tom Clancy book was the first one I ever read, and it isn't in the Jack Ryan world at all. It was titled "Red Storm Rising" and was a story about a war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Pretty outdated now, but viewed as alternate history I think it still holds up pretty well.
21:50 "Now, understand, Commander, that torpedo did not self-destruct. You heard it hit the hull. And I...was never here." One of my favorite lines followed by "Combat tactics, Mr. Ryan. By turning into the torpedo, the captain closed the distance before it could arm itself."
The "combat tactics" scene has always bugged me. Commander Mancuso was adamant about Ryan not following Ramius's order to steer into the torpedo's path, then he acts like the maneuver was common knowledge. A plot hole, IMO.
The battle played out _very_ differently in the book. When the Konovalov fired his first volley of two torpedoes, Red October turned head-on and dived for the ocean floor, using a new form of sonar jammin gear to confuse the torpedoes. One missed, the other hit-- but not fatally (it did take out the radio room). The third torpedo fired by the enemy is the one that hit the hull before it could arm-- because _Red October was closing in to ram the Konovalov._
FYI/Reminder: in the pilot of Firefly, when they are trying to get away from the Reavers, Mal tells Wash that he needs an 'Ivan' & then Wash and Kaylee set up the 'Crazy Ivan' All that is referencing this movie (apologize if you recalled this as it wasn't in the YT edit) ..... Yeah, Baldwin was the first to play Jack Ryan - I think there was some contract issues between the studio and Baldwin and they moved on to Harrison Ford for the next two. One of my favorite things about this movie is how they deal with the Russian characters speaking in English. The slow push in as they talk in Russian and then pull back while the now speak in English is so cool and a great way to get around having to have subtitles the whole movie.
This was the first Tom Clancy novel, published in 1984, and the first appearance of the Jack Ryan character. The movie came out a month or so after I graduated Navy boot camp and it was a big hit on the base, obviously. Most of my civilian friends have had to watch the movie twice; the first time I'm explaining all the terminology, the second they're actually enjoying the film, lol.
In the book, another Russian officer gets shot and killed instead of Borodin (Sam Neill). I guess the filmmakers wanted someone the audience felt more connected to to get shot so they'd feel sadder at his death. It worked. It always breaks my heart when Sam Neill looks at Sean Connery and says "I would like to have seen Montana" as he dies.
I love the way this movie handled the languages. Have them speak russian at the start to establish who they are, then switch to english. Then a little russian again when the Americans come onboard, to highlight the differences.
When Tom Clancy originally wrote this story, the CIA investigated him for being "too" accurate. They didn't know how he could get some things so right, but he was able to prove that it was all open, he just pieced it together.
I had a a retired USN neighbor who told me a story about how they were once out doing war exercises in the North Atlantic. The weather was crummy, and he looked outside the bridge to see someone in a yellow raincoat, notepad in hand, scribbling furiously as he watched the exercise. My neighbor asked aloud "Who is that?" Someone answered "Him? That's Tom Clancy!"
Most of Tom Clancy's knowledge and research took place at public libraries. Not much the agents who visited him could say about it once they realized just how easy it was to access publicly available "secrets" if you put in the hours that he did.
As someone else who is extremely enticing to mosquitoes, the struggle to do something while there's a mosquito in the room & ending up with knuckle bites was unexpectedly relatable.
@@AddieCountsI was always the person that was getting bitten by mosquitos while other people were saying that they weren't being bitten at all. Then I learned to take vitamin B and to not eat bananas before going out in the woods. On my next trip someone else was complaining about being swarmed, while I was hardly being bitten at all. It doesn't keep them from biting you. It just keeps you from being the most desirable meal in the area.
It's been a few years since I read them, but in the books Ramius relocated to live near the Ryans, was a family friend, and became 'Uncle Marko' to Jack's daughter.
A great military thriller. During the Cold war, there were US /USSR meetings that weren't always publicly discussed. Bluffing and posturing with each other.
There's also the Ben Affleck film The Sum of All Fears and the Chris Pine film Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit. She knows about the Amazon series, but there's also a related one-shot Amazon series starring Michael B. Jordan called Without Remorse that is Jack Ryan adjacent (Jordan plays Willem Dafoe's character from C&PD).
I love this movie, it keeps you on the edge of your seat, even with multiple viewings, and the way that surprises and things happen show the characters all being really intelligent and it also treats its audience as intelligent.
The admiral was played by the late Fred Thompson who had been an attorney who became a legal counsel to the Watergate Committee and was later elected to the US Senate representing his native Tennessee.
A submarine propulsion system like that wouldn’t be as silent as they make it seem. It would just sound entirely different from the standard screw noise. While a sonar operator would be able to hear something, it wouldn’t sound like a subs propeller. Nor would the computers be able to identify something it has never heard before.
4:27 Not many may catch onto Skip plopping his leg up on to the chair like that, but the character was written as a promising naval officer who was struck by a drunk driver and lost one of his legs, ending his military career. He kept on serving the Navy by working as a civilian contractor on the base. That leg he just moved is a prosthetic.
In about 1980 I applied for a job in Butte MT with a Department of Energy contractor that was working on a magneto hydro-dynamics project, so it’s real.
In the submarine community any time you add "drill" to an event it means a practice scenario. Pretend. So, a missile drill is practicing to launch nuclear missiles, going through all the procedures up to pulling the actual trigger (while the system is in a training mode.). In the same vein, a "Fire drill" is fighting a pretend fire, with fully dressed out firefighting teams, hoses, extinguishers. Just there is nothing to spray, usually just a blinking red bicycle light for a reference point. It's how we hone our skills at sea when you don't want to say actually light something on fire or remove a small nation just for training purposes.
The Hunt for Red Mosquito. 😄 Also, I like how they actually tease the saboteur right at the start of Ramius' break away. He's center background in the picture as the cook Ramius ropes in with the Doctor as witnesses that he's taking the political officer's key.
Beautiful as ever, Ms Counts. Watched this today as news broke that James Earl Jones has passed at 93. RIP, The Voice. Seemed a fitting tribute to a fine actor. The mosquito has great taste, biting only you. I did enjoy Addie's Hunt For The Red Mosquito!
2:24 Hey Addie, the actor who's telling Seaman Beaumont that's story about Jones listening to Pavarotti is Larry Ferguson, who played the COB(Chief Of The Boat) aboard the USS Dallas in addition to being one of the screenwriters for this movie
@1:30 I've seen this movie a thousand times (no, really: it's neck-and-neck with Star Trek: First Contact), and I just realized that "cricket" is the cutest nickname that has ever been bestowed upon a little kid, ever. That is all.
Addie said it was "so sad"...When I saw this in a theater, when Sam Neill's character was shot, all the women in the audience audibly went "Oooh...Aaaww".
Sean Connery besides doing bodybuilding as a young man also had library cards to almost all big public libraries in GB because he tried to compensate for his lack of formal education is whole life. That guy was VERY smart..and the toughest actor to walk the earth. There was an incidence where one guy had beef and brought a gun to the set, and Connery stared at him and told him "We dont bring guns to the workspace" and scared the living shit out of that guy
It's always funny to hear Connery say "Вильнюсский школьный учитель" (The Vilnius schoolmaster) He was a very impressionable (and impressive) actor - may he rest in peace. And best Bond ever. But Scottish .... 😄
One of my favorite movies. Imagine if a submarine like the Red October actually existed. In actuality the Typhoon class Russian subs of today are larger than the Red October in the movie.
For those of us old farts who are watching... we recognize Tim Curry playing the "apparatchik Doctor." (For those of you who don't recognize him without the full face of white makeup, he also played both Frankenfurter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show and the original IT clown). This was definitely a departure from either of those roles!
Tom Clancy wrote a series of novels surrounding the life and career of John Patrick (Jack) Ryan. The Hunt for Red October was one of them, but there are a bunch - this one is probably the most famous because of this really excellent movie. It impresses me how well they did this and how accessible the material with all the jargon and everything is. People with no knowledge at all can follow the story in this movie. His books dive a bit into politics the different government systems and movements around the globe and also a little bit of espionage and spy craft. They are well researched and are great reads. So quite a few books, a few movies (Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger with Harrison Ford playing Ryan, and the Sum of All Fears with Ben Affleck as Ryan) and a television show, all which follow the books with varying degrees of success. All of these are colloquially known as the Ryanverse. :)
Addie, the fact that you couldn't tell if Connery's character had good or bad motives for his actions just shows how good of an actor that Sean really was for him to create a nuanced performance like that.
One critic pointed out that good actors are needed for submarine movies because submarines are such a confined space so the camera must come in close to the actors. Other great submarine movies: RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP and THE ENEMY BELOW.
Greyhound (2020) is another good war at sea drama. It stars Tom Hanks who plays a WWII Destroyer captain defending an Allied convoy of Merchant ships from German U-Boats.
I saw this when it originally came out in theaters and loved it. The Hunt For Red October was also the first Tom Clancy novel that I read. It is also my favorite of the film adaptations of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan novels. And, as a Navy Veteran, this movie is right up my alley. This was also the first time I ever saw Stellan Skarsgard act and he has since become one of my favorite actors.
When I went through sonar training in 95, they made a point of repeatedly informing us that torpedoes do not have a self destruct feature, and no matter how hard you look you will not find such a button. It was denied so much.... it must be hidden somewhere good because I never found it.
@@nealhoffman7518 Maybe, just maybe, for the purposes of the story, they fitted out that torpedo with a remote detonator because they knew they had to sell the illusion to the crew that the submarine had been sunk.... They had a whole day to prep it too. So just maybe. 👀
@@economath8164 If they just sink, with an armed warhead, then they would explode when they hit the seafloor. This would be disadvantageous during an active battle. The torpedoes from 1916 disarmed the warhead when they ran out of fuel....but it was done clockwork style. I was looking for clarification with the new torpedoes to see if they still do this.
Star studded cast. Half them could carry movies on thier own. Most of them have before or after this. Amazing cast, great story, superb sets, just a masterpiece.
Missile drills would be much like a fire drill, go through all the actions/motions without actually firing missiles or an actual fire. Essentially "practicing for when it's real" The Red October would, by the orders given to her crew, be "sneaking past USA defenses, going through all the motions of firing, with the intent of proving to their country the sub is capable of doing so without being detected.' When the torpedo was in the trench and passed through the countermeasures, Ramius ordered them to "Go to flank" which is essentially "put the pedal to the metal" (maximum possible speed), "All ahead full" is "full normal speed, which is the highest speed the vessel would normally operate at. Flank is essentially "everything you can get, even beyond what the vessel is normally intended to do" Jack Ryan is played by Harrison Ford in Clear and Present Danger as well as in Patriot Games (I forget which one was first, but I think it was Patriot Games) Its the same character, different novels in a series. I believe this is the only one Baldwin played him in. 19:25-19:32 Sound is the most effective method of detecting vessels in the water, using "passive sonar" you are determining what is out there mostly by the sounds they are making. The turbulence of a propeller is usually the loudest signal to a listening passive sonar. Unfortunately your sonar has difficulty listening through your own propellers' noise. "Active sonar" where you hear the ping, is that you emit a pulse of sound that will reflect off of other things "making them briefly more "visible" unfortunately, your active sonar ping also clearly identifies your position to any passive sonars out there. Think of it as a dark field, you're looking for things, and you see them based on how much light they are making. A person 300 feet away with phone in his pocket that the flashlight is on is slightly visible at times, if he takes the phone out of his pocket to use the light, he can see better, but you can see him before he will see you. (this is a rough "visual" explanation of sonar. 21:31 I was just about to pause and type up what it means to scuttle a ship, but I see that has been added in post production on the screen. (You asked, I was going to answer) I loved this movie the first time I saw it. I actually did go to the theater to watch it. Rented it from Blockbuster. Eventually had it on VHS. Initially, I did not know the character Jack Ryan played by Harrison Ford was _this_ Jack Ryan at first. This is, in my humble opinion, a movie that gets a lot of love from people when they see it, but not enough people seek it out to see it, with the decades of other movies that have come out since, it kind of gets left "over yonder"
Great reaction Addie! I love this movie. Such an amazing cast of skilled actors in both large and small roles. And also with Tim Curry as the Soviet Naval doctor aboard the Red October. Tim Curry, one of the most brilliantly bizarre comedians of my lifetime playing an absolutely straight role. None of his amusing comic lines, no subtle mugging for the cameras, the closest thing we get to a Tim Curryism is his astonished "Captain!" with his expressive face after Ramius says "Who said anything about sabotage?". 😀 Love it! The caterpillar technology is a theoretical possibility but has yet to be developed into anything as useful as it is in this movie. It is very interesting as a theory though. "The man will get us all killed." That's the risk of defecting in this manner, especially with an announcement beforehand. Ramius knows that he is fighting against the clock. The slower he goes, the more prepared and capable the Soviet Navy will be to actually hunt him down. He has to make a quick getaway. He doesn't really have another option but speed. The movie is great because it is such a subtle mystery where one feels that they know what must be going on, but one isn't completely sure. And it does take a couple of watches to really get the full nuance. A lot of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan thriller novels got made into movies, though Baldwin was only Ryan in this one before being replaced by Harrison Ford.
30:24 If you're interested in the character of Jack Ryan (created by Tom Clancy) and a fan of Harrison Ford, I would suggest "Patriot Games" and the sequel "Clear and Present Danger".
Tom Clancy and his team got so good at researching the militaries of the world that it was rumored that he was often consulted by the US government on military affairs.
@@MichaelScheele Clancy literally gushed about Jane's in the novel. They also showed an edition of Jane's in the title sequence, while Jack is preparing to leave London.
Police, when this came out at the theater, used to do "torpedo runs" on each other. At night, they would turn off all lights and sneak up on each other. Once behind the other, they would turn on all lights and sirens... Hence, the torpedo run.
I'm retired from the USCG. I was inspecting an Exxon tanker in LA. One of the crew members came up to me and said there was a Russian submarine coming down the channel. He was wetting his pants. I though the was nuts. I went to look and there was a Russian sub! I then remembered that they were shooting this movie in the LA outer harbor. The thing looked totally real.
27:33: I went to summer camp about 1 mile from where they are sitting (in the Penobscot Bay, which is the only part of the river that's deep enough to hold a Typhoon Class submarine).
"All this stuff is on this sub?" Well, yeah. We were once invited on board the Ethan Allen--an American nuclear-powered submarine. At one point I was leaning on this massive tube running the length of the space. No idea what it was until I finally heard a couple of words from our guide. Torpedo tube. Five minutes later we were looking at centrally located missile tubes. And the Ethan Allen was the only US warship to have fired a missile carrying an armed nuclear warhead. The bits that stuck out of the water were really not that impressive. But when you got inside and there were level after level of different things needed on a ship that could stay submerged for weeks, you began to realize that a submarine outclasses an iceberg when it come to how much is showing as opposed to how much is hidden. Eye opening tour, that.
Actually, we, as the viewer are told straight up when the captain and his officers are eating dinner. Sam Neil tells Tim Curry to leave to get the batch of radiation reports while all the officers sit down with Sean Connery, the captain, and they talk about Putin being murdered. They also talk about how the captain mailed a letter to the fleet commander announcing all their intentions to defect. The officers flip out over the letter until the captain tells them about Cortez and how he burned his ships. From that point on his men were well motivated. Sean Connery, the captain wanted to make sure that there was no going back. It was either get to the United States or die trying.
Hunt for Red October is the first Hollywood film adaptation of the Jack Ryan novels. The others are Patriot Games (1992) and Clear and Present Danger (1994) where Jack Ryan is played by Harrison Ford. Then there is the Sum of All Fears (2002) where Ben Affleck is Jack Ryan. And then there is Jack Ryan Shadow Recruit starring Chris Pine as Jack Ryan. After this is when we get the Jack Ryan series with John Krasinski starting in 2018. And then there is a Jack Ryan spinoff movie called Without Remorse (2021) starring Michael B Jordan as John Kelly, which is a character from the Jack Ryan books who is also in the Rainbow Six books.
Jack Ryan is the character. The author of the series is Tom Clancy. I've read most of them. There is a pretty good list of films. I've had the pleasure, along with my sons, of visiting the USS Batfish. A very decorated submarine from WW2. Believe it or not it is on display in Muskogee Oklahoma! It was brought up there when Verdigris River was opened to traffic to the Mississippi River and ultimately the Gulf via New Orleans. A submarine in middle America!! Who would have thought. Great reaction / review Addie! As for the Jack Ryan films there are 14 including this one. As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.
On your surprise about how big the missile room was and that all of it fit on the sub. A Typhoon class submarine, like the one in this movie, is about 575 feet long. To put that in perspective, a football field is 300 feet, so it's almost the size of two football fields.
Only the most senior officers knew about the plan to defect. Radius only gave his rousing speech to the crew to suppress any suspicions that they might have.
Yes, that's the same Jack Ryan. He was played by John Krazinski in the series and played by Harrison Ford, Ben Aflek, and Chris Pine, respectively, in the movies.
Trivia ... The Soviets and Nato subs played cat and mouse all the time during the cold war era. There were several close calls and a few actual collisions between subs. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, a Soviet sub shadowing the Soviet freighter taking missiles to Cuba came within seconds of launching a nuclear torpedo at one of the US Navy ships. The captain was talked out of it by another member of the crew. There are some very blurry facts surrounding the Red October story line that Tom Clancy created. Some believe (with some blurry facts to support) that there was collaboration between Tom Clancy and the NSA regarding the creation of this story. Maybe yes? Maybe no? Also, James Earl Jones' character would never go out in the field. Strictly a desk jockey character. In the rare occasion when Soviets defected taking military hardware with them (like planes, etc.), the Nato country they went to always had to give it back (after a brief look-see).
The 4 season TV series "Jack Ryan" was very good! Starring John Krasinski as Ryan. Krasinski's transition from comedy actor to drama actor was complete when he starred in "13 Hours: The Secret Solders of Benghazi" (2013).
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Fun fact: Sam O'Neill's character wanted to live in Montana. In the beginning of Jurassic Park Sam O'Neill's character was digging fossils in Montana.
Great catch!!!
that's not really a fun fact. Just a lame coincidence
@@9HighFlyer9 Fun fact: Found the troll.
@@CigarMick seriously, what's fun about that? It's not like Dr Grant was written with Captain 2nd Rank Vasily Borodin in mind. It's just a small coincidence.
@@9HighFlyer9 Is my statement factually accurate or not?
Can we all agree that Stellan Skarsgård and James Earl Jones make every film better?
The men are walking temples of acting brilliance.
Another achievement unlocked... Alec Baldwin made it all the way through this film without actually killing anyone.
Take her deep, take her down. or will "Torpedoe in the water " will do
You should see Skarsgård in the original Norwegian movie Insomnia (1997). Skarsgård plays the role Al Pacino had in the American version (2002). Skarsgård's character is a Swedish cop running from scandal. The setting is also a city north of the Arctic Circle -- it's called Tromsø. The movie is stark and filled with silences -- minimalist.
@@Mr.Ekshin Not funny.
@@alberach - Yes... yes it is funny.
The things that 'trigger' you are things that make most people laugh. And that is why we're happier than you are.
This is for sure a movie you can watch again. And again... and again... IMO one of the most rewatchable movies ever.
Early in the movie Captain Ramius asks the Political Officer, "How many agents has the KGB hidden on my boat?" Although it's never actually stated the presumption is the "cook" was really a KGB agent.
Well, it's pretty obvious given his reaction when the bogus orders are announced over the intercom.
@@agp11001and that he had a gun onboard.
In the book, the cook was a GRU (military intelligence) agent. As the KGB is a separate agency, the submarine's political officer (KGB) would not know who the GRU agent(s) on board would be.
If I remember correctly, doesn't the book spoil the identity of the cook? In the book they aren't sure how badly the KGB agent has messed up the missile, so the USN sonar operators listening in just about soil themselves when they hear the Red October flood a missile tube and use high pressure launch air to eject the damaged missile.
Actually, Loganov was GRU agent
Brief historical context around 1990: a year before, the Wall of Berlin was torn down and Germany would be reunified after decades split in GDR (German Democratic Republic, or East Germany) and FDG (Federal Republic of Germany, or West Germany); a year later, the USSR would be disbanded, putting end to the Cold War that existed since 1945. This masterpiece came at the perfect moment with the perfect cast and the perfect director. John McTiernan achieved create the basis for all the later movies about submarines (with permission of Das Boot, of course). And Sir Sean Connery (RIP) was a masterclass of acting.
PS: "The Russia House". Another movie about Russians and Connery. Nothing to add.
Five years ago, as I crossed Montana on a train, I said to myself, "At least I have seen Montana."
3:00 "What happened?"
Appendicitis. The surgeon showed up roaring drunk (killing her, botched surgery) and that figures into Ramius' decision to defect.
Perks of reading the books I guess, I always wondered about this ever since I first watched this movie as a kid in the 90s, thanks!
@@reuz5462 in the book the surgeon was the son of a party official so there was no justice to be had. it crystalized his hatred of the soviet union and his desire to fuck them over by stealing the sub.
It was an early politically influenced DEI position.
@@reuz5462there is SO MUCH MORE in the book. Skarsgard’s character has like entire chapters.
And the surgeon wasn’t punished because he was the son of a party official. That was kind of a key piece of info that should have been included in the film….
One of the greatest lines from the film: " Give me a map and a stopwatch, and I'll fly the Alps in a plane with no windows." Every navigator loves that.
Also, it makes the maths theories you had in school important. A submarine leaves point A with a speed of 38 knots and there is a cliff 2.8 miles ahead of it. What is the last possible turn time for said submarine before it crashes? See, those lessons actually serve a purpose 😀
That's how Lindbergh got across the Atlantic. They have his log in the Smithsonian.
Jeffrey Pelt: "Listen, I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops....but it also means that I keep my options open."
Best line of the film!
Second best. 😊 The first best is "You've lost another submarine?"
My personal favorite is "the hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch."
That's when you realize Captain Tupalev made the mistake of thinking Ramius was still in command, but the American commander had the con at that moment.
Another great line by this😂same character:
"Anton, You've Lost Another Submarine?"
Best and most accurate description of a professional politician ever.
@@donaldwatson7698 Third best. The best is "I would liked to have seen Montana."
24:59 "I would like to have seen Montana" ...RESPAWNS as Alan Grant in Jurassic Park and starts off at a dig site in MONTANA! LETS GO!!!
Though she is not 'a round American woman' he does get Laura Dern 🥰
@@LordVolkov he doesn't actually, they break up before the 3rd movie and she gets married to some government official.
@@reuz5462 but they rekindle in Jurassic World Dominion (2022).
I hadn’t made that connection!
and the doctor repawns into a murderous entity that likes to take the form of a clown.
You aren't >supposed< to figure out too early that Ramius is leading a defection. For those of us who grew up under the specter of the Cold War, it was especially tense.
You don't cast Sean Connery and have him nuke the US, so it was pretty obvious. 😊
As a submarine veteran, there is a lot of accurate portrayals, with a lot of exaggerations mixed in.
Submarines once!
I read the book as a senior in high school. The following week, I joined up and went off to boot camp summer of '88. After 'A' school, and Sub school, I was just finishing off Sonar Tech 'C' school when the movie came out.
@@chandies I've always been blown away that a sonar is so precise it can tell you the actual name of the ship it hears as long as it is in the database. AT least that's what I've heard.
@@twinshark429 half the fun is cataloguing new contacts. And by fun, I mean endless tedium.
@twinshark429 , it's not the SONAR. They have microphones in the water. Each Boat has a sound profile as each is made a bit different and each sounds different.
When Ramius was in his quarters, recounting how his wife died while he was at sea, we saw what motivated him to defect. The Red October being a surprise first strike vessel was another reason, but I would say that Ramius's personal reasons were stronger.
When Executive Officer Borodin (Sam Neill) started talking about living in Montana, my spider-sense told me, "He's going to die." A beautiful story about his desire to live a good life was a strong foreshadowing.
The actor who played the officer on the ship that asked what all the hubbub was about was Fred Thompson who was a US Senator for many years for your home state of Tennessee and also ran for President in 2008.
and he was also on "Law & Order" for a few months during his last term as a U.S. senator, and he played that role for a few years afterwards. he had a very authoritative voice which helped him in his acting career. also, his second movie i think it was, "no way out" with kevin costner, is a movie that everyone who likes movies should watch. it is fantastic.
He starred in a lot of major movies at the time, including Die Hard 2, Days of Thunder, In the Line of Fire...
Magnetohydrodynamic propulsion is a thing, but basically only a scientific curiosity that's limited to small scale science project type things because it's limited by the magnets heating up and the low conductivity of seawater. So, exaggerated for movie stuff.
I did 6 years on a Virginia class submarine (the class of boat that replaced Dallas in the early 00's). You get used to it. Basically, take 3 double-decker buses, weld them together end to end, cram them with machinery, beds, and electrical equipment, and then go live in it for 6 months with 135 other people, most of whom you probably don't like all that much, but would die for.
Also because while it's quiet acoustically, It positively shouting electromagneticly..
"but basically only a scientific curiosity that's limited to small scale science project type"
Small scale or small boats?
There were some prototypes of boats.
Yamato 1 (98 ft, 33 ft, 185t, 3 people crew and 7 passengers).
I would not call this small scale, this is the size of a small super yacht.
Yes, but you are right it is limited. It consumes much power and you don't get much out of it.
The Yamato could go up to 8 kts and the used 4 Tesla, which is more than an MRI has (up to 3 Tesla).
So very slow and not very efficient
@@helloweener2007 That's tiny compared to an attack sub, much less a boomer. 688s like Dallas are over 300 ft long with over 120 crew. An Ohio is over 550 ft long with over 150 crew.
@@benn454
Yes of course, this was not my point.
German Class 212 A is 183 ft long and they are the best submarines in the world for the task they were built for.
Most silent submarines in the world, they use hydrogen fuel cells and a diesel generator.
Dallas or Ohio would not be able to do this in the same way. So size is not all.
I was talking about small scale, which for my understanding would be a model in size 1:2, 1:5 or whatever. A full smaller ship is not scale. It is a smaller ship.
That was my point.
MHD works in full scale ships, it just does not make sense to use it because of all the disadvantages.
@@helloweener2007 You literally said, "I would not call this small scale, this is the size of small super yacht." But it IS small scale compared to American and Russian subs.
Great movie. One that I remember seeing in the theater. Addie, you're right, this is the first 'Jack Ryan' movies based on the novels. Ryan is later played by Harrison Ford for two films and than by Ben Affleck once and then Chris Pine for one. John Krasinski is now portraying Ryan in the Amazon series.
Think this was one of my first big screen experiences. This and Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade.
Jack Ryan is a character created by Tom Clancy and is the protagonist of most of his books. I was a big fan of most of them, although I think Clancy should have moved on to other characters from the series sooner than he did - eventually it started to get a little unbelievable that Jack Ryan could have done so much and ended up where he did. But I think my favorite Tom Clancy book was the first one I ever read, and it isn't in the Jack Ryan world at all. It was titled "Red Storm Rising" and was a story about a war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Pretty outdated now, but viewed as alternate history I think it still holds up pretty well.
21:50 "Now, understand, Commander, that torpedo did not self-destruct. You heard it hit the hull.
And I...was never here."
One of my favorite lines followed by
"Combat tactics, Mr. Ryan. By turning into the torpedo, the captain closed the distance before it could arm itself."
The "combat tactics" scene has always bugged me. Commander Mancuso was adamant about Ryan not following Ramius's order to steer into the torpedo's path, then he acts like the maneuver was common knowledge. A plot hole, IMO.
@@Stogie2112 Agreed. I still like the line but I think it could have been said as a sudden realization instead of common knowledge...
@@allovett6246 ... It was still a really good scene.
Ramius calmly looking at Ryan and saying, "Three....one....five...." was great.
@@Stogie2112 I don't think he was acting like it was rudimentary or common knowledge, it was just in hindsight it was obvious what Ramius was doing.
The battle played out _very_ differently in the book. When the Konovalov fired his first volley of two torpedoes, Red October turned head-on and dived for the ocean floor, using a new form of sonar jammin gear to confuse the torpedoes. One missed, the other hit-- but not fatally (it did take out the radio room).
The third torpedo fired by the enemy is the one that hit the hull before it could arm-- because _Red October was closing in to ram the Konovalov._
FYI/Reminder: in the pilot of Firefly, when they are trying to get away from the Reavers, Mal tells Wash that he needs an 'Ivan' & then Wash and Kaylee set up the 'Crazy Ivan' All that is referencing this movie (apologize if you recalled this as it wasn't in the YT edit) ..... Yeah, Baldwin was the first to play Jack Ryan - I think there was some contract issues between the studio and Baldwin and they moved on to Harrison Ford for the next two. One of my favorite things about this movie is how they deal with the Russian characters speaking in English. The slow push in as they talk in Russian and then pull back while the now speak in English is so cool and a great way to get around having to have subtitles the whole movie.
This was the first Tom Clancy novel, published in 1984, and the first appearance of the Jack Ryan character. The movie came out a month or so after I graduated Navy boot camp and it was a big hit on the base, obviously. Most of my civilian friends have had to watch the movie twice; the first time I'm explaining all the terminology, the second they're actually enjoying the film, lol.
In the book, another Russian officer gets shot and killed instead of Borodin (Sam Neill). I guess the filmmakers wanted someone the audience felt more connected to to get shot so they'd feel sadder at his death. It worked. It always breaks my heart when Sam Neill looks at Sean Connery and says "I would like to have seen Montana" as he dies.
The little scene with Borodin speaking of his American dream dooms him to a noble but tragic death. An unfortunate trope of war movies 😅
I thought it was because if Sam Neil's character survives it, they'll bring about the end of the world because that's what Sam Neil's characters do.
@@waterbeauty85 Saved money on casting.
Yeah, in the book, it's Kamarov that gets killed
I love the way this movie handled the languages. Have them speak russian at the start to establish who they are, then switch to english. Then a little russian again when the Americans come onboard, to highlight the differences.
And they switched from Russian to English on a word that is the same in both languages.
When Tom Clancy originally wrote this story, the CIA investigated him for being "too" accurate. They didn't know how he could get some things so right, but he was able to prove that it was all open, he just pieced it together.
I had a a retired USN neighbor who told me a story about how they were once out doing war exercises in the North Atlantic. The weather was crummy, and he looked outside the bridge to see someone in a yellow raincoat, notepad in hand, scribbling furiously as he watched the exercise. My neighbor asked aloud "Who is that?" Someone answered "Him? That's Tom Clancy!"
It was the Office of Naval Intelligence.
Most of Tom Clancy's knowledge and research took place at public libraries. Not much the agents who visited him could say about it once they realized just how easy it was to access publicly available "secrets" if you put in the hours that he did.
Water is a much better transporter of sounds than air. Whales can signal each other over vast distances in the oceans.
The physics of underwater combat are also very interesting - cavitation bubbles, shock waves, etc
Not to mention the halocline and thermocline layers as tactical resources.
Also, those active ping radars are extremely dangerous to both sea life and humans
Addie's sequel to the film... "The Hunt For Red Mosquito" 🎥
Wonderful and Admiral reaction to Red October!
😄😄😄😄
JAck Ryan is known in some spy book circels as the "Thinking Man's James Bond." It kinda fits, he's a very inteligent character.
I'm guessing those circles are the ones that haven't read the more insane of Tom Clancy's books?
@dernwine LOL apparently I've been misinformed as I've only seen the movies
As someone else who is extremely enticing to mosquitoes, the struggle to do something while there's a mosquito in the room & ending up with knuckle bites was unexpectedly relatable.
It was a STRUGGLE
It's always the women... and I do mean: female mosquitoes, every time they go suck the blood, they will later find a place to lay the eggs near water.
@@AddieCountsI was always the person that was getting bitten by mosquitos while other people were saying that they weren't being bitten at all. Then I learned to take vitamin B and to not eat bananas before going out in the woods. On my next trip someone else was complaining about being swarmed, while I was hardly being bitten at all. It doesn't keep them from biting you. It just keeps you from being the most desirable meal in the area.
@@paulfrank8738 garlic is your friend.
@@leroylowe5921 Yes, but make sure everyone else in your group eats about the same amount of garlic, or you'll find yourself an outcast.
It's been a few years since I read them, but in the books Ramius relocated to live near the Ryans, was a family friend, and became 'Uncle Marko' to Jack's daughter.
I always wondered about what happened to Ramius.
That would be the best possible ending.
A great military thriller. During the Cold war, there were US /USSR meetings that weren't always publicly discussed. Bluffing and posturing with each other.
There are two great Harrison Ford as Jack Ryan movies: Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger.
imo: Patriot Games is very good. But Clear and Present Danger is phenomenal -- a real '90s classic.
There's also the Ben Affleck film The Sum of All Fears and the Chris Pine film Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit. She knows about the Amazon series, but there's also a related one-shot Amazon series starring Michael B. Jordan called Without Remorse that is Jack Ryan adjacent (Jordan plays Willem Dafoe's character from C&PD).
Yes!, please go down the Jack Ryan rabbit hole
and yes... it is the same "character"
Sum Of All Fears is just as good as the Harrison Ford movies too
I love this movie, it keeps you on the edge of your seat, even with multiple viewings, and the way that surprises and things happen show the characters all being really intelligent and it also treats its audience as intelligent.
The admiral was played by the late Fred Thompson who had been an attorney who became a legal counsel to the Watergate Committee and was later elected to the US Senate representing his native Tennessee.
He was in Die Hard 2, In the Line of Fire, Law & Order and Days of Thunder
A submarine propulsion system like that wouldn’t be as silent as they make it seem. It would just sound entirely different from the standard screw noise. While a sonar operator would be able to hear something, it wouldn’t sound like a subs propeller. Nor would the computers be able to identify something it has never heard before.
4:27 Not many may catch onto Skip plopping his leg up on to the chair like that, but the character was written as a promising naval officer who was struck by a drunk driver and lost one of his legs, ending his military career. He kept on serving the Navy by working as a civilian contractor on the base.
That leg he just moved is a prosthetic.
1990: Papers? No papers.
2020: We need to see some papers.
1974: We don't need no stinkin' papers!
The mosquito was so full of your blood that it had a hard time flying. It’s like Thanksgiving, after all that drinking, it needed a nap.
The actor playing the admiral is Fred Thompson, a U.S. Senator from Tennessee, who ran for President in the primaries many years ago.
25:35 God I love that shot combined with the music. It's so ominous, all those missile silos contain the power to end entire civilizations.
In about 1980 I applied for a job in Butte MT with a Department of Energy contractor that was working on a magneto hydro-dynamics project, so it’s real.
Teenage Kelly Bundy holding her breath until she gets her way: "Whew! This is so hard. How do those men on Submarines hold their breath for so long?"
In the submarine community any time you add "drill" to an event it means a practice scenario. Pretend. So, a missile drill is practicing to launch nuclear missiles, going through all the procedures up to pulling the actual trigger (while the system is in a training mode.). In the same vein, a "Fire drill" is fighting a pretend fire, with fully dressed out firefighting teams, hoses, extinguishers. Just there is nothing to spray, usually just a blinking red bicycle light for a reference point. It's how we hone our skills at sea when you don't want to say actually light something on fire or remove a small nation just for training purposes.
The Hunt for Red Mosquito. 😄 Also, I like how they actually tease the saboteur right at the start of Ramius' break away. He's center background in the picture as the cook Ramius ropes in with the Doctor as witnesses that he's taking the political officer's key.
Fun fact people often forget. The Soviet Union still existed when this movie was released.
Beautiful as ever, Ms Counts. Watched this today as news broke that James Earl Jones has passed at 93. RIP, The Voice. Seemed a fitting tribute to a fine actor.
The mosquito has great taste, biting only you. I did enjoy Addie's Hunt For The Red Mosquito!
Never let Sean Connery teach your dog to "Sit."
This comment needs more attention 😂
My stepfather took me to see this in the theater back in '90, when I was 13.. I read every Tom Clancy novel after that.
2:24
Hey Addie, the actor who's telling Seaman Beaumont that's story about Jones listening to Pavarotti is Larry Ferguson, who played the COB(Chief Of The Boat) aboard the USS Dallas in addition to being one of the screenwriters for this movie
@1:30 I've seen this movie a thousand times (no, really: it's neck-and-neck with Star Trek: First Contact), and I just realized that "cricket" is the cutest nickname that has ever been bestowed upon a little kid, ever. That is all.
The greatest mysteries of the 20th century:
Who killed John Kennedy?
What happened to Jimmy Hoffa?
What happened to Sean Connery's Russian accent?
Ramius is giving the "Hot Fuzz" explanation for how the officer died: "Slipped and fell on his own tea"
Addie said it was "so sad"...When I saw this in a theater, when Sam Neill's character was shot, all the women in the audience audibly went "Oooh...Aaaww".
"13 Days" is like a real-life version of this (about the Cuban Missile Crisis).
Sean Connery besides doing bodybuilding as a young man also had library cards to almost all big public libraries in GB because he tried to compensate for his lack of formal education is whole life. That guy was VERY smart..and the toughest actor to walk the earth. There was an incidence where one guy had beef and brought a gun to the set, and Connery stared at him and told him "We dont bring guns to the workspace" and scared the living shit out of that guy
Was that man Alec Baldwin?
@@joeynessily That joke put on some rust mate
25:43: Yes Alec: YOU need to be careful what YOU shoot at.
It's always funny to hear Connery say "Вильнюсский школьный учитель" (The Vilnius schoolmaster) He was a very impressionable (and impressive) actor - may he rest in peace. And best Bond ever. But Scottish .... 😄
The toy bear is in the credits. Its name is Stanley and he plays himself. I like that. Its a fun thing in a movie that is otherwise very serious! 🧸✈😴
We started with the hunt for red October but got the quest for dead mosquito as well. 🤣
The mosquito incident is as interesting as the movie reaction :)
"The Hunt for the annoying fly"
Black flies are worse. OmetoNorthern Ontario in Canada!!!🇨🇦
OH YES. Finally. Welcome to one of the greatest submarine movies/military thrillers ever.
One of my favorite movies.
Imagine if a submarine like the Red October actually existed.
In actuality the Typhoon class Russian subs of today are larger than the Red October in the movie.
You did great, Addie! Everybody watches this 3-4 times to catch everything in it. Great movie.
For those of us old farts who are watching... we recognize Tim Curry playing the "apparatchik Doctor." (For those of you who don't recognize him without the full face of white makeup, he also played both Frankenfurter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show and the original IT clown). This was definitely a departure from either of those roles!
I was waiting for someone to point this out.
Tom Clancy wrote a series of novels surrounding the life and career of John Patrick (Jack) Ryan. The Hunt for Red October was one of them, but there are a bunch - this one is probably the most famous because of this really excellent movie. It impresses me how well they did this and how accessible the material with all the jargon and everything is. People with no knowledge at all can follow the story in this movie. His books dive a bit into politics the different government systems and movements around the globe and also a little bit of espionage and spy craft. They are well researched and are great reads.
So quite a few books, a few movies (Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger with Harrison Ford playing Ryan, and the Sum of All Fears with Ben Affleck as Ryan) and a television show, all which follow the books with varying degrees of success. All of these are colloquially known as the Ryanverse. :)
I highly recommend the movie "Das Boot".
#DasBootDirectorsCutForAddieCounts
Half an hour for "Das Boot"`?
Das Boot is an incredible film. Easily one of the best sub movies ever.
Watch the mini series, not the film. Too much is cut out and feels disjointed.
Addie, the fact that you couldn't tell if Connery's character had good or bad motives for his actions just shows how good of an actor that Sean really was for him to create a nuanced performance like that.
One of the greatest movies ever made. I never get tired of watching it or watching reactors react to it.
Everyone's dad's favorite movie.
One critic pointed out that good actors are needed for submarine movies because submarines are such a confined space so the camera must come in close to the actors. Other great submarine movies: RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP and THE ENEMY BELOW.
'Das Boot' (1981) remains the best submarine movie thought, but it's 5 hour mini series version still tops it.
Though technically it's a U-Boat movie.
Let us not forget Crimson Tide!
Das Boot is the best submarine movie ever made.
Greyhound (2020) is another good war at sea drama. It stars Tom Hanks who plays a WWII Destroyer captain defending an Allied convoy of Merchant ships from German U-Boats.
I saw this when it originally came out in theaters and loved it. The Hunt For Red October was also the first Tom Clancy novel that I read. It is also my favorite of the film adaptations of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan novels. And, as a Navy Veteran, this movie is right up my alley. This was also the first time I ever saw Stellan Skarsgard act and he has since become one of my favorite actors.
Thanks for the reaction Addie. One of my fav movies of all time... could watch it over and over again.
This is based on a novel by Tom Clancy (the mf goat). A few of his books were adapted to movies
Dude I fuckin LOVE Tom Clancy books, just finished "Executive Orders". Makes me wish they could reboot the movies keeping faith with the books.
@@crispy_338 Al Qaeda borrowed heavily from Debt of Honor. I doubt Hollywood ever adapts that one...
When I went through sonar training in 95, they made a point of repeatedly informing us that torpedoes do not have a self destruct feature, and no matter how hard you look you will not find such a button.
It was denied so much.... it must be hidden somewhere good because I never found it.
They do have a self-disarm once they miss their target, right? All air is vented out or all ballasts are filled?
@@vilefly Nah, they run until they expend all their propulsion power, after which they'll just sink
@@nealhoffman7518 Maybe, just maybe, for the purposes of the story, they fitted out that torpedo with a remote detonator because they knew they had to sell the illusion to the crew that the submarine had been sunk.... They had a whole day to prep it too. So just maybe. 👀
@@economath8164 If they just sink, with an armed warhead, then they would explode when they hit the seafloor. This would be disadvantageous during an active battle. The torpedoes from 1916 disarmed the warhead when they ran out of fuel....but it was done clockwork style. I was looking for clarification with the new torpedoes to see if they still do this.
Star studded cast. Half them could carry movies on thier own. Most of them have before or after this. Amazing cast, great story, superb sets, just a masterpiece.
Thanks for watching this. The next 2 movies in this series have harrison ford.
Happy 100,000! Great job, Addie! Keep up the good work!😃
I read and have all of Tom Clancy's books. Loved them all.
Missile drills would be much like a fire drill, go through all the actions/motions without actually firing missiles or an actual fire. Essentially "practicing for when it's real" The Red October would, by the orders given to her crew, be "sneaking past USA defenses, going through all the motions of firing, with the intent of proving to their country the sub is capable of doing so without being detected.'
When the torpedo was in the trench and passed through the countermeasures, Ramius ordered them to "Go to flank" which is essentially "put the pedal to the metal" (maximum possible speed), "All ahead full" is "full normal speed, which is the highest speed the vessel would normally operate at. Flank is essentially "everything you can get, even beyond what the vessel is normally intended to do"
Jack Ryan is played by Harrison Ford in Clear and Present Danger as well as in Patriot Games (I forget which one was first, but I think it was Patriot Games) Its the same character, different novels in a series. I believe this is the only one Baldwin played him in.
19:25-19:32 Sound is the most effective method of detecting vessels in the water, using "passive sonar" you are determining what is out there mostly by the sounds they are making. The turbulence of a propeller is usually the loudest signal to a listening passive sonar. Unfortunately your sonar has difficulty listening through your own propellers' noise. "Active sonar" where you hear the ping, is that you emit a pulse of sound that will reflect off of other things "making them briefly more "visible" unfortunately, your active sonar ping also clearly identifies your position to any passive sonars out there. Think of it as a dark field, you're looking for things, and you see them based on how much light they are making. A person 300 feet away with phone in his pocket that the flashlight is on is slightly visible at times, if he takes the phone out of his pocket to use the light, he can see better, but you can see him before he will see you. (this is a rough "visual" explanation of sonar.
21:31 I was just about to pause and type up what it means to scuttle a ship, but I see that has been added in post production on the screen. (You asked, I was going to answer)
I loved this movie the first time I saw it. I actually did go to the theater to watch it. Rented it from Blockbuster. Eventually had it on VHS. Initially, I did not know the character Jack Ryan played by Harrison Ford was _this_ Jack Ryan at first. This is, in my humble opinion, a movie that gets a lot of love from people when they see it, but not enough people seek it out to see it, with the decades of other movies that have come out since, it kind of gets left "over yonder"
Great reaction Addie! I love this movie.
Such an amazing cast of skilled actors in both large and small roles. And also with Tim Curry as the Soviet Naval doctor aboard the Red October. Tim Curry, one of the most brilliantly bizarre comedians of my lifetime playing an absolutely straight role. None of his amusing comic lines, no subtle mugging for the cameras, the closest thing we get to a Tim Curryism is his astonished "Captain!" with his expressive face after Ramius says "Who said anything about sabotage?". 😀 Love it!
The caterpillar technology is a theoretical possibility but has yet to be developed into anything as useful as it is in this movie. It is very interesting as a theory though.
"The man will get us all killed." That's the risk of defecting in this manner, especially with an announcement beforehand. Ramius knows that he is fighting against the clock. The slower he goes, the more prepared and capable the Soviet Navy will be to actually hunt him down. He has to make a quick getaway. He doesn't really have another option but speed.
The movie is great because it is such a subtle mystery where one feels that they know what must be going on, but one isn't completely sure. And it does take a couple of watches to really get the full nuance.
A lot of Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan thriller novels got made into movies, though Baldwin was only Ryan in this one before being replaced by Harrison Ford.
Jack Ryan is the hero of 14 novels by Tom Clancy and 19 written since Clancy's death. Several have been adapted into movies or TV series.
30:24 If you're interested in the character of Jack Ryan (created by Tom Clancy) and a fan of Harrison Ford, I would suggest "Patriot Games" and the sequel "Clear and Present Danger".
Absolutely!
Tom Clancy and his team got so good at researching the militaries of the world that it was rumored that he was often consulted by the US government on military affairs.
He was an example of an open source intelligence at work. A surprising amount of "secret" information is published in random publications.
@@MichaelScheele Clancy literally gushed about Jane's in the novel. They also showed an edition of Jane's in the title sequence, while Jack is preparing to leave London.
Police, when this came out at the theater, used to do "torpedo runs" on each other. At night, they would turn off all lights and sneak up on each other. Once behind the other, they would turn on all lights and sirens... Hence, the torpedo run.
I'm retired from the USCG. I was inspecting an Exxon tanker in LA. One of the crew members came up to me and said there was a Russian submarine coming down the channel. He was wetting his pants. I though the was nuts. I went to look and there was a Russian sub! I then remembered that they were shooting this movie in the LA outer harbor. The thing looked totally real.
27:33: I went to summer camp about 1 mile from where they are sitting (in the Penobscot Bay, which is the only part of the river that's deep enough to hold a Typhoon Class submarine).
The Hunt for Red Mosquito.
Always loved this movie.
"All this stuff is on this sub?" Well, yeah. We were once invited on board the Ethan Allen--an American nuclear-powered submarine. At one point I was leaning on this massive tube running the length of the space. No idea what it was until I finally heard a couple of words from our guide. Torpedo tube. Five minutes later we were looking at centrally located missile tubes. And the Ethan Allen was the only US warship to have fired a missile carrying an armed nuclear warhead. The bits that stuck out of the water were really not that impressive. But when you got inside and there were level after level of different things needed on a ship that could stay submerged for weeks, you began to realize that a submarine outclasses an iceberg when it come to how much is showing as opposed to how much is hidden. Eye opening tour, that.
1:30 as well as pre-sex offender Jeffery Jones (aka the principal from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.)
Harrison Ford is one of the best actors when he plays two movie Patriot Games and Present Danger
One of my all-time favorite movies! 🔥♥️🔥♥️
Actually, we, as the viewer are told straight up when the captain and his officers are eating dinner. Sam Neil tells Tim Curry to leave to get the batch of radiation reports while all the officers sit down with Sean Connery, the captain, and they talk about Putin being murdered. They also talk about how the captain mailed a letter to the fleet commander announcing all their intentions to defect. The officers flip out over the letter until the captain tells them about Cortez and how he burned his ships. From that point on his men were well motivated. Sean Connery, the captain wanted to make sure that there was no going back. It was either get to the United States or die trying.
Two quotes if you working on your Sean Connery impression. "Corn Flakes" and "When Cortez... CAME to the New World..."
Hunt for Red October is the first Hollywood film adaptation of the Jack Ryan novels. The others are Patriot Games (1992) and Clear and Present Danger (1994) where Jack Ryan is played by Harrison Ford. Then there is the Sum of All Fears (2002) where Ben Affleck is Jack Ryan. And then there is Jack Ryan Shadow Recruit starring Chris Pine as Jack Ryan. After this is when we get the Jack Ryan series with John Krasinski starting in 2018. And then there is a Jack Ryan spinoff movie called Without Remorse (2021) starring Michael B Jordan as John Kelly, which is a character from the Jack Ryan books who is also in the Rainbow Six books.
Jack Ryan is the character. The author of the series is Tom Clancy. I've read most of them. There is a pretty good list of films.
I've had the pleasure, along with my sons, of visiting the USS Batfish. A very decorated submarine from WW2. Believe it or not it is on display in Muskogee Oklahoma! It was brought up there when Verdigris River was opened to traffic to the Mississippi River and ultimately the Gulf via New Orleans. A submarine in middle America!! Who would have thought.
Great reaction / review Addie!
As for the Jack Ryan films there are 14 including this one.
As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.
On your surprise about how big the missile room was and that all of it fit on the sub. A Typhoon class submarine, like the one in this movie, is about 575 feet long. To put that in perspective, a football field is 300 feet, so it's almost the size of two football fields.
Only the most senior officers knew about the plan to defect. Radius only gave his rousing speech to the crew to suppress any suspicions that they might have.
Yes, that's the same Jack Ryan. He was played by John Krazinski in the series and played by Harrison Ford, Ben Aflek, and Chris Pine, respectively, in the movies.
Fun fact: This movie basically originated the trope of titles appearing on screen letter by letter with a sound effect.
Trivia ... The Soviets and Nato subs played cat and mouse all the time during the cold war era. There were several close calls and a few actual collisions between subs. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, a Soviet sub shadowing the Soviet freighter taking missiles to Cuba came within seconds of launching a nuclear torpedo at one of the US Navy ships. The captain was talked out of it by another member of the crew. There are some very blurry facts surrounding the Red October story line that Tom Clancy created. Some believe (with some blurry facts to support) that there was collaboration between Tom Clancy and the NSA regarding the creation of this story. Maybe yes? Maybe no? Also, James Earl Jones' character would never go out in the field. Strictly a desk jockey character. In the rare occasion when Soviets defected taking military hardware with them (like planes, etc.), the Nato country they went to always had to give it back (after a brief look-see).
The 4 season TV series "Jack Ryan" was very good! Starring John Krasinski as Ryan. Krasinski's transition from comedy actor to drama actor was complete when he starred in "13 Hours: The Secret Solders of Benghazi" (2013).
This is one of my favorite movies of all time.
This was the first Jack Ryan story from Tom Clancy. The book published in 1984, there have been many books (and movies) since.