The Hero Rework That Ruined Dota 2
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Feels good to know that even with all rework and meta changes throughout the years, Omniknight is by far the most successful hero by win %
Some things are never meant to change
Because its really hard to just E someone and auto E again to kill
@@notyourdad361 sounds like an skill issue to me
@@69camiloo Bahahhaha
Yeah in 2013 he constantly stay on the top win rate too. Even though his skill set then are dogshit compared to now.
Dark Seer is a Medusa counter not because he's a lane bully but because of the wall. It's like we can't kill Medusa so we gonna get our own Medusa to kill her. It's quite good since now illus also have mana shield.
Grimstroke aghanim upgrade also viable but he need to farm his aghs first which is wont happened if he playing pos 4 or 5
@@TheRoadrunn Yes reason why Grimstroke isn't practical is because you have to farm an item as a support while Dark Seer has it in his kit and it's also such a great teamfight spell.
@@TheRoadrunn by the time Grimstroke has his Aghs, Medusa already has her linken's sphere. Game over.
ive seen wr with diffu always hunting medusa too
Grimstroke basically have a debuff immune Medu
The all medusa counter team is actually hilarious if that was a real game😭
Had a feeling that uncounterable shield passive got an issue... Never thought this even fucks up the pro scene.
The proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
Video is old news, Dusa is not that much of a problem anymore (be it in pro, or in high elo pubs). She was not broken only because of her new "kit" but because her stats were a bit too high. But it's always gonna be the case with such a major patch, some heroes are gonna be overtuned, some are gonna be weak. But at least it's getting fixed pretty quickly.
Also he says her passive is the only one that cant be broken, but it's 100% false, there are at least 15+ hero passives (and i'm not even counting the 30+ neutral and summons passives, even tho they can be used or stolen by a few heroes), that cant be stopped by break or anything else.
I made a quick list off the top of my head in another comment.
@@JetFiiire nope, Medusa still the highest WR in the past week rn, the next pos2/pos1 style hero at placed 5th and 6th are meepo and Arc warden which is pub stomp smurf data. Heros still broken asf.
@@jamesdebenham7787 not in pro and high mmr, just like I explicitely said in my previous comment.
But pl Is still her counter
I think the passive being unbreakable is fine because tiny is in a similar position with grow but I think it is stupid that armour reduction / magic reduction play no part in the damage dealt.
Nerfing the damage per mana numbers reasonably hard along with allowing armour and magic resistance to be a factor will help her stay unique and more situational because her list of counters would be bigger than just am/ds and be different to most other heroes list of counters.
Can't really judge medusa off tiny, even though tiny gets allot more health he losses attack speed and he kinda needs that, but dusa doesn't really lose anything
Wk passive is also unbreakable( U). Funny enough the solution to deal with him is also mana burn until he gets shard
Time to bring back kotl manaleak
Negative armor is still not great way to deal with agi heroes and negative mr is hardly ever achieved, even eblade alone doesn't bring it below 0, it just goes closer to 0. armor and mr not affecting barrier is mostly a downside to medusa rather than upside.
Why do coinflip bans still exist in draft
You forgot to mention the balance changes she received in 7.33c. Her shield was ultimately weakened, but the shield works on Illusions now. Her win rate went down about 3% but still floats over 55, which is problematic still.
About 4:00 , there are A LOOOOOT of passives you can't break, few exemples here:
- panda's drunken brawler
- dark seer's normal punch
- old and new bad juju
- ogre magi's dumb luck (and old multicast)
- pudge's flesh heap
- sk's passive epicenter procs with shard
- SF's necromastery damages
- tiny's grow
- treant's nature's guise
- undying's death tombstone and reincarnation
- wk's reincarnation
- visage's soul assumption
- zeus's lightning hands
etc etc
So yeah while new dusa is super broken, her passive not being broken by break is not the reason and is not an exception.
those are ultimates and shard upgrades tho. the reason ppl build break against pa and bristle as such is bcs of their E and for bristle to not gain charge from ulti, same goes for sf dmg. while broken sf cant gain soul rather just uses the dmg already he had.
pudge's flesh heap is an active ability with a stacked passive
@@Nice_Boat it has been a passive for many years (forever) until it got changed one year ago
@@khankakhanka8266 nature guise is an innate passive just like medusa ;)
Half of those can be broken, and the other half wouldn't make sense.
Medusa in a nutshell
Can farm
Can nuke
Can stun
Can support
Can tank
Can end
which makes sense cause universal hero
Nuke ?
@@emptycode1782 If she is lvl 25 and has Skadi,manta, a deadlus, and BKB, and walks into teamfight with ult on she can easily get a triple kill-rampage. Hence the nuke.
@@emptycode1782 Medusa with Phylatery
@@emptycode1782 you can spam snake to 1 hero and you still gain at least 90% of the mana cost or smth
Old dusa you cant spam snake to only 1 target, its loss mana
this hero truly ruined the state of dota 2
Naaaaillllssss
No ones picking her nowadays since WR exist
@@distritochristianangeloa.157 17% pick rate across all rank (avg 8%) and 55% winrate.
4:35 The point of not receiving extra damage for all the magic resistance reduction and armor reduction is crazy
Worth noting tho is that it works in both directions. Armour and magic resistance does nothing either.
Honestly the -Armour argument seems pretty weak unless you are against a super heavy -Armour team. Dusa has a lot of agility, and it would only be a damage buff if you got her below 0 armour.
With magic resistance, sure but still
u can actually make her sleep with Titan's stomp. and keep hitting her, she will not wake up because she didn't lose health to wake up
Eh. Unbearable passive is not new. Tiny and Pudge’s passives have always been unbreakable.
Guess what we are going to wait 17 months for the next patch called 7.34b so we have to deal with it until late 2024 am i wrong? I will bet $100 we will get 7.34 late 2024
Medusa + Kotl + IO is literally free mmr giving her constant supply of mana covering Medusa's main weakness which is the laning phase. New Medusa is shitty and her only weakness is preventing her from farming, but with how big the map is the task of preventing her from farming is a lot harder.
she has no weakness atm
@@nikolakarapejevski she has, if she doesn't then she'd have 100% winrate
These guys are crying that people are playing Medusa as support
We've been doing that in SEA server since 2015
Despite Blitz vagueness.....he still gives a good review out of everything that is needed to be heard
I hate Medusa so much... She's NEVER been fun to play against.
AFK farms for 50 minutes then wins. It's not a fun game, it's just slow, nothing interesting happens, then we all die.
Now? Now she's just completely unfair.
Haha. Bet u having fun against her now. 10 min farm and proceed to shred evryone
@@alifhafizbinjasni5644 Ehlan habibi~.
Also, I actually haven't played dota 2 in like, 1-2 years. lol.
This is me going based off my previous experience, where she was cancer.
My comments about her current iteration are just based off the patch notes. Which, by the looks of it, she's even more cancer now. X)
Well they can just you know tone down that 98% dmg absorb to make it fair
In warcraft base game, they had a skill called Mana burn where you point and click, both taking mana away as well as doing damage based on how much mana got taken away. Why have they never added that to dota 2? It would point and click her to death.
Nix used to have a spell like that, many mana burns were remove from the game sadly
Welp WR wreck Medusa now since she can easily buys Diffusal and she isnt picked that much. Magnus/WR carry and Clinkz pos4 is the new META
this game went downhill the moment Icefrog secretly retired 🤷🏻♂️
imagine if they plan tiny become universal hero.....
I think tiny should stay strength...i know he's an all-rounder hero that can be played in any role but strength makes sense for his character design...and making him universal might make him even more efficient and remove the shortcomings he had this making him op
@@HappySmilingDog-d7u real
please don't give them ideas 😢
Necro universal would be fun
cant become universal if tiny dont have any agi
Me and my friend have gained more than 700 mmr by just banning AM- Nyx and picking Dusa-KoTL every single game.
It's sad that Dusa gets banned every game these days
Bruh the hero now is still unfair after one nerf, needs more tweaks
u gaining 700 mmr is the exact reason why she banned in every game man
Bro ur literally satan
Bro doesn't know about vanguard n diffusial on am lul
If any hero is op that is windranger invis windrun
Patch 7.33 ruined Dota 2.
Nope you just hate changes
Honestly he should make one for Windranger since she has definitively taken the top spot now.
The Xqc of Dota 2.
IMO Medu can still be countered using PL with diffu rush build
Yo I wish we could get map/hero reworks at league. If dota can, then maybe we can also???
2 damage per point of mana at level 1 shield, that's like level 3 shield from old patch.
to be fair, her health is basically non existent
SECRET vs ENTITY division 1 WEU - 2023 summer tour 3 , this game showed how dark seer and Shadow demon can counter medusa hard, her presence made her a threat for her own team.
There's only one that stands at the pinnacle of broken heros.
Elder Titan
They nerfed it already bro. Stop whining, valve is the best game devs ever. They care.
Valve is not THE BEST game devs
got 100% winrate against dusa using darkseer as the only counter the thing is you use your illu to kill her teammates then take him down last can easily kite out dusa got no mobility and never buys mobility item. with aura items and shard you can reduce so much of her damage then slow her with shard while saving your allies with move speed when you get so much kill with hero illu you cna get an ags thats basically 2 unkillable stronger dusa if you cant still finish buy refresher 4 dusa that deals 120% if her damage that is unkillable cause of mana shield mechanic but most of the time you can drain dusas mana just by ult and shard based on my experience
Makes me think about old OD with his Q stealing 4 int every atk. Gud time.
Still remember a few day ago someone pick Medusa on a turbo game with no counter and he feel so good winning the game flaming my team because i stomp their safe lane early game
this is why i love blitz, u can always expect true words from him
Valve is actually the one laughing now,
When 7.33 Got released, People were like "Medusa is the worst and weakest"
Now when Pro's played Medusa "Players are crying" 😂😂
this explains why I win easy with medusa. I thought I lost my noobness
Great video, thanks mr blitz.
"if everyone is broken the game is balanced so let's nerf cm" ice frog probably
1:04
That "Let's start with tinker" Got me spitting my drink with how fast you suggested it.
Careful what you wish fotmr because it might just come true
Just... Just buy a diffusal? Or just choose a hero with mana burn talents?
Like diffusal has an upgrade now. Nyx, mirana and weaver are not bad either.
Just... Just pick them.
2 months later... MEDUSA is so nerfed in 7.33e that she is total crap yet again! HER MANA is not like regular HP. It is actually worse than having regular HP. This has reduced her to nothing!
honestly, the medusa thing is the only change in 7.33 i think is absolutely retarded. No hero should be able to just tank the entire 5man team for minutes, tank the initial burst sure but multiple ability cooldowns and still kicking strong? thats just dumb.
Nobody else gets that dumb unless were talking post-60m gameplay. She gets that dumb in like 20m and even if she didnt have a feedfest to buff her up.
Clinkz always going through some timeskip training arc for every patch 😂
Never had a problem with medusa, i would always beat her up.
*I mean i would always beat up who picked her
bro is using reddit opnion to define if something balanced or not, lmao💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Are you seriously trying to argue that Medusa isn't broken? :D
@@oxygenconsumingindividual show me when I said that
@@D3xter_Official Your comment was obviously trying to make fun of some facts mentioned in this video by saying that they were from a reddit post, even though there were lots of other things in there. Just assumed that the only reason why you would do that is that you consider medusa balanced
@@oxygenconsumingindividual u said right, some facts, not all of them. medusa is op in fact but if we going to take reddit in consideration every single here is broken since there are 1k mmr that can't buy sentries and dustk against riki and complain that "riki is op"
I think people that think dota is imbalanced just haven't played other Mobas. It might not be perfect, but imho dota has better balance than most competitors... until Valve says fuck it and releases a massive patch and lets players figure it out. Then it's chaos for a while.
I don't get why people think Medusa is broken. She is still useless in the early game especially without a good support. Buying attack speed and diffusal seems to kill her fast when playing heroes such as Juggernaut.
WTF???? Remove HERO!! what stupid idea is this? if you are joking then good joke....hahahhahaha!
"Armour reduction dont do anything to her"
Neither does armour. All damage she takes is basically pure.
Yes Dusa is overtuned but come on man this is just dishonest.
They should just let break work on Medusa and also make it so that the HP damage reduction of mana sheild isn't 98% Then maybe she can be a bit more balanced.
This hero needs some testing and tweaking for it to become balanced. The mana shield rework is quite interesting tbh and I like these kinds of uniqueness in heroes. She just chucks 1 snake into a whole team and she gains back her mana which is more important. It's not like with back then she gains health back with satanic you can disarm her. Maybe allow Break to make Mana Shield drain even more? Who knows.
Bait to comment, classic, but I’ll take it.
If every hero have unique mechanics it’s absolutely great for the game
Isn't PL also viable option to counter her, cause he's has alot kagebunshin sh*t and he also always farm diffusal blade first
Icefrog said it multiple times in the past even before dota 2, that dota is not a balance game and will always revolve around meta. some heroes will get buffed and some will get nerfed, it all about the meta
What about the matchup against PL when he gets diffusal blade, doesn't he also win? Or Slark when he can steal the stats?
without diffusal(every illu heroes), heroes that can mana burn or axe how can u deal with medusa?
no other choice than to gank her early?
So basically she doesn't need magic resistance or armor because her HP is mana, so the most effective items would be those that remove mana?
u might call the average dota player someone who is mad no matter the change, but you will be sure its fucked up when the pro scene players are mad like that
When i tell my friends medusa is OP, they say, NOOOO IT IS FAIR, YOU ARE JUST BAD
sure man, sure
Just remember that games like this balanced heroes mean boring heroes. "If everyone is a superhero, then no one is a superhero.
and believe you or not, dota is the most balanced moba out there, so much that every hero is viable somehow, different from lol where only half are
What about troll warlord skill 1 bash remove and change to net. Even to this i never been fix. Damn
As a medusa main, I'm disgusted by this reworked tbh, let alone against the lane, pure cancer
let's give her a spotlight.. back in my days, naix avatar ultimate is the final boss.
Nyx Assasin hard counters her. Why aren't you putting him as a counter??😊
Viper is preety good against medusa... he deal massive damage to her and have more magic resistance then most heros
you havent played against dark willow with maxed cooldowns and a euls scepter
bro is paid by riot to ruin dota 💀 he keep saying dota is dying when it is not n a proof to that is on steam charts you can check it
medusa was as strong before she use to gain 4k to 5k hp with skadi and mana pool too nothing has changed
can we like stop nerfing stuff? every nerf i see on new patch is always demotivate me to play dota
Youre stream literally is just you whinning. What are you talking about.
i love getting full teamkilled by a turret standing still hitting multiple heroes and taking 0 damage
i think od might be a counter? because of the mana reduction and get some dps hero to help
from axe dunk meme to unkillable snek
Aside from medusa, the black king bar rework was a total disaster.
about passives not being broken... It's how it's supposed to be. You can't just brake tiny or WK or meepo ult, it would be just stupid. Medusa's shield fits nicely in this list. What, just turn 4000 hp into 200 with brake? Is it balanced for you?
Oh, right, you insert this part in the video just for the comedy effect
Just make it not a passive, like how it used to be, if it aint broke, why change?
Why people don't pick invoker on pos 4 for this champ is beyond me lol
Delete tinker or rweork it like techies cause tinker dota is not dota at all like old techies
I'm so glad I haven't played this dumb game in like 7 years
Instead of complaining, better to abuse the hero.
Didnt everyone clowned on Medusa the first week?
I dont like reworks for Tiny, Treant, Clockwerk
Mana shield not being affected by break is like wraith king's reincarnation not being affected by it, it's hero defining, it would make no sense
In wk cases is not that bad in dusa cases is stupidly bs .
What about bristelback and... bristleback
wk ult procs after he's dead, which is why break doesnt work. your debuff is gone by then.
I just found out now that mana shield does not affected by break, despite being fucking passive
@@yagoosidol6338 Okay then let's say things like meepo's divided we stand, pudge's flesh heap, or tiny's grow, the thing is that medusa would have to get reworked again if break were to disable mana shield
When valve hires a person from the league balance team:
The medusa and Ogre reworks in my opinion are awesome as concepts because they give a lot of individuality to these heroes and they make sense lore wise.
But such massive overhauls ware bound to have problems. Basically Dota(moba games in general) always require playtesting. Especially when sometimes even the slightest tweaks can turn a hero from God tier to Dog tier and vice versa.
Yeah I don't mind Dusa in concept, her numbers just need to be tweaked.
Who carries harder then? PL, Dusa or Specter?
Nyx is pretty good against her with his new ult.
I see medusa I pick WR, snake is snake within 3 seconds.
7.33c killed the hero. What u talking about?
I feel windranger defuse is a good counter to dusa to.
yeah new clinkz right now is anoying hit tower no brain
wr with diffu works like a treat against dusa.
Lets go back to warcraft, we have no choice😂
So diffusal blade is just not a thing?
I mean 9pandas won that game in the last clip
Morphling destroys medusa tho
Nyx is amazing medusa counter