Commander VS S4E3: Emrakul vs Gisa and Geralf vs Ishkanah vs Ulrich [MtG: Multiplayer]
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- New set, new video! It's time for the guys to put together some of Eldritch Moon's most frightening legends for a giant four-player battle that will rock Innistrad to its core! Which of these legendary monsters are you rooting for?
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Emrakul, the Promised End, should have the flavor text "That's no moon."
O my god that's amazing
It’s the flying spaghetti monster!
(Jeremy) Hey everyone. Thanks for helping us to choose what Eldritch Moon cards we used for this video. We're hoping to do something like this again in the future!
i feel like bruna/gisela should've been one card not two. possibly throw up one or the other, kind of unfair to have it the way it was.
from what i heard, Liliana used her zombies, with Gideon and Chandra, to lure emrakul out of thraben. And then the rest of the gatewatch(including Tamiyo) imprisoned her in the moon.
and the reasoning behind that, is because it was just like the helvault, because the helvault was a fragment of the moon.
that's what i heard, I don't know if it's accurate.
hey! unfortunately stephens cheat count went through the roof again, like in every video :( grave betrayal does ABSOLUTELY NOT what stephen thinks it does. this changed the game from the very beginning.... read the cards guys! mimic vat straight up hardcounters grave betrayal.
Jeremy it is a point system, just freakin kill Justin first every time what are you guys thinking! Steven always helps him every game so just assume (it will be truth) that Steven is trying to make Justin win. You and West have to team up and just kill Justin, turn 3 every game. Would be so much better.
+Thorsten Böhme Actually Grave Betrayal does EXACTLY what he thinks it does, and Vat does NOT stifle its ability: it's a matter of who's trigger happens first, and they got it right. Go read the rules before calling someone a cheater.
Sometimes I go back and watch these episodes again, and this is probably high up on my favorites list. Emrakul was my first mythic I opened in Magic, followed by a Liliana, and watching Emmy consume the table is amazing. Great memories. Here's to many more.
Stephen Green didn't read Grave Betrayal. Grave Betrayal only gives you the cards at the end-step. Not right when they die.
1:06:45 My two puppies were sleeping next to me, y'all howled, and they both BOLTED upright and booked it to the backyard, barking their damn heads off.
An unmitigated success on your part, lads. :D
Stingerfling Spider was milled by Nyxweaver while Undead Alchemist was still in play, so it shouldn't have been brought back by Living Death.
Everyone just completely ignored Call to the Grave for half the game and Grave Betrayal returning the creature happens during the end step so the creature would go under the vat.
The grave betrayal vat interaction really annoyed me.
So I'm pretty sure Justin should have taken two turns with the Ugin's Nexus play because U.N. says if a player would [ Begin ] an extra turn that player skips it. However by the time you started your second turn no U.N. were on the field so no turns would be skipped. So the first one goes to the graveyard based on the legend rule granting you one free turn as long as the second one is gone by the time you start your second turn and when you sac'd the copy that gives you two consecutive extra turns.
was just about to comment this you're right.
4, considering the possibility to throw sculpturing steel on the Nexus.
Enough to kill everyone else.
Source: i play Daretti.
Eldrazi Conscription is not only a colourless enchantment, but is also tribal.
Not that Justin would want it in his deck, but my inner pedant had to say it. loved the episode!
Ugin's Nexus first ability is a replacement effect that occurs when someone tries to begin an extra turn. It will only stop you from taking an extra run if it is on the battlefield at the point that run begins. You can sac the second Ugin's nexus after the first one dies in order to get two extra turns.
Also, Emrakul WAS the promised end. She played all the planeswalkers for fools and sealed herself away because she was tired of playing with them.
Nice.
You know, I don't think I have ever been this early.
Looking forward to this.
They need to have Justin on a team with Stephen and have them play Bruna light of alablaster and gisela blade of goldnight vs. Wes on a team with Jeremy playing Bruna the fading light and gisela the broken blade.
To give Justin and Stephen an easy win?
They wouldn't be able to meld into brisela, but I do agree that would be cool to see, but the originals are just so much stronger I don't think it would be very balenced
The argument at the end on the same day UR/MS releases story titled "The Promised End".
Great video guys!
Eldrazi Conscription is a colorless enchantment. It also has the bonus of being tribal, so it counts twice for Emrakul.
So much going wrong at 50:00! First of all, wes forgot to sac due to call to the grave. Also, grave betrayal returns at the end step, not immediately, and Justin should be 2 lower on life, with 2 more Ulrich damage, because of the door of destinies.
Ikr kinda annoying how you can't do anything about it. I was practically shouting at the screen
Agreed. There's always some error in the game that drives me crazy. And Parnell should've taken 10 from Ulrich (4 power + 2 door + 1 mayor + 1 oran-rief + 1 full moon's rise + 1 gruul war chant).
It really didn’t matter because he was going damition anyways
grave betrayal says at the end of the turn btw, but i loved the video nonetheless
They were so happy they caught the non-zombie part when it should have been saced all the way back at Wes' Damnation.
Warning: long post ahead.
Grave betrayal is next end step, not as it dies.
49:20, missed Undead Alchemist trigger with the Nyx Weaver trigger. This is not a may. It triggers off of any creature going directly from the library to the graveyard, not just Zombie-swings. Even things like Fact or Fiction.
1:26:10, using Liliana creates another missed Undead Alchemist trigger. Thus, Penumbra Spider can't be brought back with Living Death so it cannot create resulting token. Meaning Call to the Grave goes to the graveyard at end of turn. Deathreap Ritual does thus not trigger on the following turn since both enchantment and token are gone. Junk Diver can't die to the trigger of an enchantment that is no longer there to bring Ugin's Nexus back.
This would not matter much since Justin could still sacrifice Junk Diver to the Arcbound Ravager, giving another counter.
(A "better way" to have played the subsequent Ugin's Nexus, by the way, is to sacrifice the Ugin's Nexus to the Arcbound Ravager with the Mirrorworks-trigger on the stack, thus also circumventing state-based actions. A whole extra counter for three at this point and then play Sculpting Steel to copy Ugin's Nexus-token, sacrifice Sculpting Steel to state-based actions, sacrifice the Ugin's Nexus-token to Arcbound Ravager with Mirrorworks-trigger on the stack and have the Sculpting Steel token enter the battlefield as copy of the now defunct Ugin's Nexus-token, as Mirrorworks rulings suggest is possible and then sacrifice the Sculpting Steel-token to Arcbound Ravager for the fifth counter and begin 4 extra turns since there are no Ugin's Nexus on the battlefield **when the new turns are about to start**. Oh right, they caught this now so nevermind. Scratch that again, he still only took one of his two extra turns for having had two Ugin's Nexus go to the graveyard, which tokens do before ceasing to exist)
With Justin's inability to combo off and kill everyone in those turn sequences in mind, which happens in all commander games, mistakes are made, the Call to the Grave mistake kept warping the game, which could've been game-altering had Wes drawn a creeping Corrosion-like effect off of the Deathreap Ritual. Or the Green Sun's Zenith he DID draw into a Bane of Progress. I don't think he plays either of those cards, and I probably take this too seriously, but such is the way of things. I also respect the clusterbucket all commander games are and the difficulties of pulling off a combo in a deck you've never played before. I am not trying to say anyone is bad, it's all fun and games. But rules are rules and you expect people to point things out in comments. Also, I have not played with any of the aforementioned combo cards (except Undead Alchemist in a Phenax deck with Thousand-year Elixir and Intruder Alarm) so I may have even gotten a combo wrong. I don't play with any of the artifact cards mentioned for instance.
As always, I do appreciate you taking the time to produce the content. It really is the highlight of my week. Truly. Next week looks really fun!
Quick question at 1:04:00. Noxious Ghoul enters but he only gives gisa and geralf -1/-1, shouldnt that be -3/-3 as the creatures with counters are zombies?
The "Jäger" in "Jägermeister" is the hunter, but the hunt in Huntmaster is "Jagd" in german. So the german Huntmaster of the Fells reads "Jagdmeister vom Kahlenberg".
Thanks for the exciting content guys!
Eldrazi Conscription is a colorless enchantment! The only one, I think. :)
It's also a tribal spell, for double dipping on Emrakul's cost reductions~! :-P
Lost77 You know it! :)
There are technically a few other colorless enchantments (Molten Nursery, From Beyond, Visions of Brutality), but Devoid doesn't really count. Conscription is the only true-colorless one.
Oh hey, you are right! Funny how I forgot devoid was a thing, haha! Have a +1. :)
+WhiteWizard42 there is a colorless enchantment artifact creature
Man I loved that super obscure A Knights Tale refetence.
That Emrakul deck was so sweet!
And banned
1:15:33, yes there is colorless enchantments(Eldrazi conscription)
ahh that's my favorite kind of magic. So many turns in a game of commander and I want them ALL!
Stephen's deck was awesome. Also I think when Wes mills off the Nyx spider, stephen gets tokens too...
Lol Wes with the offspring reference at 1:02:53! I referenced that song today!
Justin's deck was so unfun but god was it sweet haha.
Good job on that video guys !
I REALLY want to build The Promised End now lol
Awesome references: Jägermeister, and Ulrich von Lichtenstein
Wes died with Arachnogenesis in his hand. Officially off of TeamWes.
Lol
In my defense, I passed the turn with 8 creatures, 3 of which could block flying and I was at 21. They had to put in some work for that victory.
Yeaaah. I can't say I'm part of Team #Wisemove (but I still love you Wes!), but Wes wasn't in a position where he should have had to hold up Arachnogenesis. There were four ways that Justin was going to be able to kill him (without also destroying Justin's board): take Wes' turn and make him suicide his creatures, Eldrazi Conscription, Ugin, or All Is Dust. That's three cards of 99 when Justin hadn't been drawing a lot of extra cards or doing much tutoring. Leaving up Arachnogenesis only plays into the known available option of taking Wes' turn and making him break his own board, because it puts fewer cards on the table that need to be outed (it's still doable by Justin just turning everything sideways of course, but that's a little more risky for Justin than a more practical suicide).
Put another way, Wes played around the known problem to the best of his ability and got blown out by Justin happening to have one of two cards that just breaks his back.
Even without a board wipe, spiderfog would have been better. 0 damage, 2 more spiders on board (parallel lives) vs what? Lose all your spiders to combat damage and end up at 1 life?
Which is fine, because it would let Wes actually crack back. Nobody there was going to point anything at Wes besides Justin. So yeah. Wes would lose his spiders, live with a little bit of life, swing back for 9. Then next turn, recast the general for a ton of toughness and hold up Arachnogenesis (I believe he had the mana to do both). Get in for 9 more assuming Parnell swings. You're now a swing away from lethal and should have a bunch of blockers ready for the next attack.
An optimistic line on the whole, but better than holding up a card that shouldn't have done anything.
great video! I like the voting for generals, would like to see it again. Also love the randomization method for this season, even if I do already miss Susan...
What is Green talking about at 1:46:49 about randy calling a deck a certain name?
It's been a slow week in Magic for me. I've been looking forward to this video. :)
Not normally a Stephen Green supporter lol but considering he is playing my commander, i have to root for him as i watch this. This has been my favorite set in a very long time. Play on.
Spoiler warning:
well we are back to how it was in the early days of Commander Vs, Justin starts out doing bugger all, Stephen gets an early lead and makes enemies of EVERYONE, Wes and whoever sits beside him tag up to take out Stephen and start to stabilize, then Justin who has been left relatively alone goes off and wrecks everyone.
Holy crap I can't wait to see what they've done. Unfortunately I have to study rn but something to look forward to!!
"honorary spider: oracle of mul daya"... damnit wes
Love the videos guys! The only thing that jumped out at me is that Call to the Grave should have been making Stephen sacrificing his commander, correct?
The beastie boys reference was great. Watching Parnell lolify the board was amusing to watch but having been in that situation before is horrible to sit through, kudos to everyone else for not being miserable on camera while he went off.
Stephen Green messed up around the 1:04 mark. When he hit his upkeep, Call of the Grave triggers and he needs to sacrifice Gisa and Geralf because they are NOT zombie creatures. It's what we call a Nonbo...
So the voting was cool that was neat I'd like to see that for new sets/commander products... so Ugin's Nexus, it doesn't prevent players from gaining extra turns it says that if you would start an extra turn you skip it instead. So he plays Nexus and a copy of it, sacs one to the legend rule; gain an extra turn. Then before he starts that turn he sacs the other one to Arcbound ravager and gains a second one. Justin had 2 extra turns to take.
Emrakul was the first Commander deck I ever built, but as more general Eldrazi tribal. I'm thrilled to see her get the win.
There is a season points total. Why is everyone not named Justin Parnell not trying to have him get last while he is in the lead? He toys with Noel and Green by not committing early on, and than when he is down in a game he mulls about, is vocal about how bad his hand is, exposes his hand to show he isn't a threat so no one takes him as a threat, while turns later after drawing new cards he dominates. Play strategically. Last season Wes was getting double teamed when he was in last place. Suarez needs to come back.
Wes, once it was pointed out that Emrakul one-shots with Hedron Matrix, I feel you needed to Acid-Web that thing away. Also, in general, I feel you guys should include more answers to non-creature permanents.
Does Call To The Grave's 2nd part trigger at ANY end step to have it sacrificed?
i think a good commander video would be everyone picking their favorite commander color, then their least favorite commander color, and making a deck with those two colors.
That's an interesting idea, although I image there will be a few x/r's
A few? Probably four.
What did Wes have out that let you sac the arachnoid when you room control of his turn?
47:24 isn't correct. The enchantment only triggers at the end of turn so the mimic vats would have first dibs.
My favourite Commander Versus thus far, go Emmy!!!
what did Randy Buehler say about whatever deck they were talking about?
Question: Don't Hangarback Walker count as 2 for Emrakul since its an artifact creature?
Wait, did I misunderstand, or did Justin sac Sanctum of Ugin, because it's a nonbo with Emrakul?
If so, I believe it's quite the opposite - you still get to control your opponent's turn, but then they won't get their extra turn if you have Sanctum out.
Ugin's nexus being in play also turns Emrakul into a mindslaver due to the way the text reads on Emrakul, I believe.
favorite day of the week commander vs Wednesday!
Felt kind of imbalanced because it was 3 tribal decks and then a colorless artifact deck with a bomb of a commander and mindslaver lock, but still fun.
Not very significant, but Justin said he was a mana short from dbl Mindslaver w/ Mirrorworks. Since his graveyard was Hangarback, that was 2 card types plus his land was 3 types. Eye negated the additional cost for the cmdr, so Emmrakul was actually 10 mana, not 11.
I'm probably wrong, but shouldn't Justin have taken 2 extra turns instead of 1 (around 1:39:15). Nexus reads that if a player would begin an extra turn, they skip it instead. Justin never began an extra turn with a Nexus in play, and had 2 Nexuses (the real one he pitched to the legend rule, and the copy he fed to Arcbound Ravager) hit the yard, then get exiled and traded for an extra turn.
You are correct, they missed that. He also could have fed the original Ugin's Nexus to the Arcbound Ravager for an extra +1/+1 counter, instead of letting the legend rule put it into the graveyard, if he responded to the Mirrorworks trigger.
I may have blinked and missed it, but I don't think Jeremy ever had a single werewolf transform. And besides a brief moment somewhere early in the game, I don't think that deck was ever remotely dangerous.
In an unrelated note, "kudos" to Wizards for finally providing EDH players with a legendary werewolf who can make a werewolf tribal deck remotely useful in EDH. Thanks Wizards!
Also would like to point out that Emrakul according to the lore wanted to be imprisoned on the moon. So she really did win. To quote the story "They're all my pieces I'm just done playing."
Was Stephen using Kalitas in his deck? I know it's a vampire but since it makes zombies en masse I think it would fit right in in the deck.
How many tickles does it take to make Emrakul laugh? Ten Tickles.
Would you guys ever consider doing some type of 2 General games?
56:00 how did hanger back walker get +1 he had summoning sickness
+Bandomas ohhh thanks
Also, I'd like to see a game where all of you start each with your own Temporal Aperture in play...that would be sweet. (maybe even have it be indestructible) maybe for your next randomonioum games, with a lil more random spice.
We've done Possibility Storm active for all players. Good Emrakul turn 1 is awesome
i got a bit lost when Jeremy took his extra turn with the Nexus..the card says "when it goes to the gy, exile it and take an extra turn. but he actually sacced a token...does that work too? thx keep it up boys, love your work
Could the token copy of Ugins Nexis cause an extra turn since it has to be exiled from grave to get the extra turn and tokens dissappear after leaving the battlefield?
You guys should totally do all praetors for a game
Stephen is playing the card call to the grave, it makes each player sacrifice a non zombie at the beginning of their turn. He should be sacrificing Gisa and Geralf whenever he has them in play since they are not a Zombie but he does not.
What is Stephen talking about at 1:46:47 ?
I know, what did randy beuhler call that g/b deck
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+Will Uda probably that "Bugs and Thugs" get. It got censored b/c it was a b/g infect deck so someone associated it to mean Bugs for green and Thugs for black (IE black people are Thugs)
The original Thugs were bands of roving criminals in India who strangled and robbed travellers. Originally these gangs committed murder following precise religious rites to honour Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction. #culturalapropriation
Watching Justin grind the others out is never fun to watch. Come on, guys, he gets you every game!
Yeah... It's rough. I always root for Stephen because he's got that encyclopedic card knowledge. Even though he doesn't often play blue, I relate to the way he plays the game - as a Vorthos with Gatherer Brain. Justin's a decent guy, but anyone can see he's a Spike.
+Ada Bee Agreed, that was one of the most boring endings to a game imaginable. These were all new generals from Eldritch Moon, but Justin played probably the one that was easily predicted as broken and not fun to watch. The deck does what it was designed to do, and in my opinion, that kind of deck shouldn't be on this channel. As I said, it's predictably boring to watch. Of course, just my opinion on it. If other people found it entertaining, then good for them.
+L Rom Yeah, they should just stop with any colorless decks in the future. They have so few routes because there's no depth in most colorless cards (Because they have no identity) that every colorless commander deck is just slamming rocks into Eldrazi.
I knew what you were talking about, Parnell... Brass City, That Bitty City.....
The vast amount of knowledge I learned today about Ulrich von Lichtenstein...
Well, people pointed out the Undead Alchemist (creature exile and zombie token happens regardless of source of mill) and Grave Betrayal (they all return at end of turn) mistakes already, but I think they messed up Ugin's Nexus as well.
Justin said that the first nexus that died didn't give another turn because the copy was in play. But nexus says "If a player would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.". He sacced the copy during the same turn, meaning that he didn't have a nexus in play when the first or second extra turn began, so he should've taken 2 extra turns (and sadly lost a point because of it).
Correct me if I'm wrong please! Don't want Justin to lose points #teamparnell (even though he should've gotten a point in E1 of this season due to killing Wes with 28 commander damage).
PS.
Can't wait for Khamal Pit Fighter! It was a favorite card of one of my best friends who passed away last year.
at 1:03:30 I would've done Spine of Ish Sah for the token's trigger. You'd get it back each turn
I was actually in the process of building an Emrakul, the promised end commander deck before I watched this episode and now that I have I have so many new ideas for cards and combos.
EDIT: Until he started one shotting them I didn't even think about the commander damage from Emrakul.
Another week of letting Justin build his board and run rampant :|
yea, getting tired of those already
my thoughts exactly... they always gang up early on Wes and let Justin take over the game (maybe Justin is bad at losing and they don't want to deal with his whine :D)
N. H. I dont know why but i just wanna see Justin lose one game terribly and suffer in agony (I dont know why, it's strange)
yeah, business as usual there. Does anyone actually enjoy watching him win?
+Stefan Grijincu i enjoyed this one, i don't doubt he will be a target next week especially since he is in the lead on the leader board.
With Stephen's lore problem at the end, you could rename Emrakal as "Emrakul, the Fingers-Crossed". XD
Question: Grave Betrayal only works on the Next END Step. Why would it be on the stack when things die.. Mimic vat is all the time...
It works all the time but they come back at the next end step.
+typoko well..mimic would exile first so grave betrayal doesnt work at the same speed
Not if Justin chose to exile it under mimic vat. one of the rulings for grave betrayal says if it would leave the graveyard before the delayed trigger then it wont return the the battlefield
+Malik Christie that is what i am saying
+Danjuron I was agreeing with you not typoko
48:44 how is that only 7 damage ?
There was a finite amount of fun to be had in that game of magic.... And Justin had most of it.
Grave Betrayal resolves in the next end step. At 47:16 Stephen puts Jeremys Wulf on his side at the upkeep.
They always give him the creatures when they die, not in the end step as it should be. Whith some cards they could exile them from the graveyard before gravebetrayal would work.
Curious (because I'd ask about this later), but wouldn't Mimic Vat go on the stack, then Grave Betrayal, making Betrayal resolve first and giving Stephen the creature (eg Junk Diver)?
Wouldn't Grave Betrayal only be on the End step? So they ruined it...
Ah, I missed that line of text.
+Max Bernbeck do did they
Grave Betrayal returns it at the end of the turn when it has already been exiled by Mimic Vat so no.
Do you guys not realize that grave betrayal is nullified by mimic vat? when grave betrayal goes to get the creature at end of turn, it would no longer be there
So hyped for Wes playing Tolsimir, my first ever general and my favourite colour combo and my favourite Wes:) #wisemove #teamwes
i am currently 26:38 into the video and mr. green just pulled a land from his yard to hand off of skull winder. i am really hoping he does not complain later that he has only gotten lands.
when stephen got the mul daya with hus grave return and then it went away because of damnation... it shouldnt have, because he gets at the end step, thus the damnation couldnt kill it at all
11:02 "Honey, looks like were having tentacle monster for dinner tonight."
When someone's playing a slow deck, do not take mercy; always attack them. Seriously, slow just means preparing to go over the top.
Or they are mana screwed or flooded
@@Case2_0When that happens you can usually see it. If the opponent is just ramping and playing things that don't affect the board, they're most likely trying to go over the top.
@@zimoy.701 unless you are a guy in my play group, who kills whoever is worst off first
50:13 Steve’s blue zombie would trigger and he’d get a spider
The helvault was a sliver taken from the moon and was used as a prison on Innistrad. So a helvault the size of the moon is the only thing big enough to hold emrakul. RTFStories.
I like this way of setting up the generals and decks. Also, #TeamWes forever (one day he will acknowledge me) #chestache #bringbackthebeard
grave betrayal is at the beginning of the next end step right?
Did anyone else notice that Wes could have totally raised his Oracle of Mul Daya, even with grave betrayal on the field, since Grave Betrayal only triggers at the END of the next end step.... So there we go, Stephen Green cheatin' again.
Wes never got to take his extra turn from Emrakul's Mind Slaver effect.
Two-Headed Giant cats vs dogs episode with Justin (Mirri the Cursed) and Wes (Brimaz, King of Oreskos) vs Stephen (Isamaru, Hound of Konda) and Jeremy (Ulrich of the Krallenhorde).
Starts at 15:02
Did Justin actually mess up the Ugin Nexus play? He wouldn't start the extra turn until the end of the current turn. Therefore, if he sacrificed the copy to Ravager, he would gain 2 turns since neither would be in play anymore at the end step.
"If a player would take an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead." That is a static ability of Ugin's Nexus while any copy remains in play. And since Ravager's ability cost is "Sacrifice AN artifact," the triggers couldn't fire simultaneously in that board state. Besides, the Nexus is legendary. Unless you have an instant-speed trigger that sacrifices both copies immediately (like the Kuldotha Forgemaster that wasn't even in Justin's list), one immediately dies to the legend rule, and therefore fails to trigger.
The Nexus doesn't care *at all* about you *generating* an extra turn. It only prevents you from actually beginning an extra turn while it's on the field. There were no cards or tokens named Ugin's Nexus on the battlefield at the time Justin went to begin his extra turn(s).
Are you sure? The board state certainly appeared to have an active copy of Nexus. At least as far as I recall. You're right if that's the case, though. Maybe I thought the Nexus was active, but I was looking at the imprinted card (which is actually exiled). So... not sure.
I'm pretty sure you guys were playing Grave Betrayal wrong. It returns it at the beginning of the next end step, not instantly.
I would like to see someone play a Darien, King of Kjeldor deck.
I'm a little saddened Justin wasn't playing Gisa and Geralf, but I like the turnout. Probably going to use Stephens deck on MTGO :D
can one of you make a deck with reaper king as the commander 77 relentless rats and 22 swamps for honor to danny wes?