Once you break a horse like that, they will forever be broken. This had actually already happened at Monza 2019. Lando should have won that race, but wasn't allowed to.
@@chrisbarker5336i agree. He doesn’t have it yet. If vettel or max would’ve been in his position in hungary, they would have never given the place back. No amount of pleading from the team would force them to do so.
You have to imagine Webber has taken a stance as Piastri's manager of 'If you screw my boy over / don't give him equal opportunity (like RB did to him vs Vettel), i'll take him elsewhere'.
Absolutely, and that's completely fair. Where it gets tricky is if they start putting each other in the wall at the cost of points for the team. Piastri's move in T4 could have easily ended in tears if Lando didn't let Oscar have the corner
@robertm5969 Piastri is too smart for that. He's level headed and can deal with pressure unlike Lando. Piastri's Monza move was extremely clean and looking at the replay, it was Lando that almost dropped it sideways lmao.
Where exactly? You don't get it, do you? F1 has very few opportunities. If you said "Fuck it" and left the team, where would he go? To a team at the back of the pack. Right now, McLaren is giving him an opportunity that Piastri wouldn't get anywhere else. Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari are showing no interest whatsoever. Where would he go?
@@habibks1 Who is to say which team will have the best car next year or the year after. We do know the team that won't have Oscar if they do him over with team orders.
Unpopular opinion but if anyone at McLaren (team members and drivers included) who has that world champion mentality, that ruthlessness and that mindset is Oscar Piastri
Yeah good luck for winning the champioship with him, when you have lando closer, oscar slept in the beginning of the champioship nowbthey have the fastest car and are behind lando 40 points, now he wants to be the number one 🤦♂️
I still cringe remembering the Sky Sports panel whining about Team orders at Ferrari, when Vettel was in for the title. Even if Kimi was far from the championship possibilities. Meanwhile ignoring when Bottas was used and abused by Mercedes.
You're right, if they won the championship, any championship recently but when you've been struggling to get to the top for years and this is your first chance... you're an idiot if you didn't, this could change their future in F1.. bring them back to the front, especially being Norris is 2nd in the DC with like 9 races to go.
@@jonathangriffiths2499 Another quick example, was being testing engine mappings for Lewis in the 2021 season. If was Ferrari or Red Bull doing the same, not a surprise the Media would be outraged.
@@cnn8420 oscar might be competitive for race wins but he is 4th in the standings, more than a 100 points behind max and has no chance of winning the championship, so in long terms of the championship itself lando does not have a competitive teammate.
If this is RB or Mercedes, this wouldn't be a conversation. McLaren aren't a serious team when it comes to hard decisions. They just want everyone to like them.
They still don't believe they're the favorite. They're still trying cheeky undercuts and overcuts and all the little tricks you try when you have a mid field car that's by some chance in P6 with 10 laps to go trying to just score points. P2/P3 is NOT acceptable when you get start P1/P2 by (albeit a slim) margin. On race pace Lando and Oscar SHOULD have been 8-10 seconds ahead of LeClerc at the end, but they bungled it by being worried about covering off Red Bull 20 seconds down the road. In Zandvoort they asked Lando who they were racing instead of telling him. I guess they just didn't believe that Ferrari would one stop both cars and it wouldn't matter until it was too late. Like George in Spa, but without the DSQ.
@@WhiteG60 thanks for this comment. It's hard to go by , too many fanboys. You absolutely right , mclaren need to do better job at strategy. That's what makes them lose a lot of points and convert races to wins. Norris also need to up his game. He's fast over one lap but terrible at reading the race and adjust his racing to the situation. These guys often been miles ahead with planning -Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel , Rosberg and Button
And if Lando wasn't British we wouldn't be having this conversation. If the roles were reversed and Oscar was 2nd in the WC these Brits would be pining for no team orders!
Mercedes only looked solid when they had a clear number 1. When they didn’t they were either too dominant for this to matter, or weren’t challenging for it to matter. RB had the number one status set pretty early
If Lando was stubborn and refused to give up position they would've crashed when Oscar tried to overtake. Lando was trying not to sabotage their race but piastri did anyway
Well to put you in your place sir he has been more faster and better than Oscar over the course of the season so Lando for the sake of the championship for him they should give him priority over Oscar in my opinion
Piastri is getting the upper hand and will be even better next year. Its now or never for Norris who has reached his peak. How many times has mclaren manipulated the pitstops (undercutting piastri) to help norris, including monza, britain, and yet piastri is still in front?
@@nunocarmona Hungary as well. The turnaround was because they made a mistake and had Lando undercutting Oscar. Strategy blunder, not favoritism or handouts. Glad I could clarify that one for you!
If the same situation comes up again Lando should not give up the position. Possibly both cars out, McLaren looses WDC. Then Oscar and McLaren will learn a lesson.
Lando has thrown away more points by himself than what piastri has "taken" away from him. No one to blame but himself. I don't think he wants it as bad as others who have fought for the Championship in Previous Years
He needs to fight elbows out against his teammate now in each corner. And he regrets caving in on the bullying in Hungary to swap places. This will come to blows on track. No doubt abt that.
One thing that is important to say and a lot of people are missing this point: IT IS NOT UP TO OSCAR TO TAKE THIS DECISION, HE IS A DRIVER THAT WANTS TO WIN AND HE WILL GO FOR IT, THATS A CHAMPION MENTALITY. If you wanna blame someone blame Mclaren.... not oscar
Will and mclaren super fans are so cringe worthy. This is formula 1 not a sport for the faint hearted. McLaren have a rocketship underneath them and lando still fumbles. Does he honestly deserve a WDC? Of course he doesn't because the boys currently unable to get one without the media begging the team to give out team orders. It was truly embarrassing how max was able to win at the previous italian grand prix when lando was lapping half a second faster at times. He's just not that guy yet and who honestly wants to win a WDC in such a way if even having a rocket ship they still can't pull it off with natural ability?
Jesus this British media and their favouritism. If Lando wants to be a WDC he needs to take it. Championships don't and should not be handed to you. Lando needs to act like a champion and just F*$%^cking do it man. No-one will respect him if he wins the title with Oscar moving over for him. Oscar is showing way more balls to be a WDC, he sees a gap and goes, love his work.
Oscar is the one who got gifted a win, blud acts like he deserves more when he didnt even deserve the one he got. Both of those cucks are annoying, but at least Norris is a proper race winner.
this was totally mclaren's fault oscar and lando are racing drivers they are gonna race blaming either of them is stupid. Mclaren should have told them to engage only after having a decent gap from the ferraris ig they underestimated ferrari
Lando is throwing it away himself by not establishing himself as the clear number 1. When Max starts from pole in the fastest car, he runs and hides on Sunday, whilst Lando loses places at the start and finishes 3rd. He even lost ground in spa despite Max starting 11th. Not McLaren's fault Lando keeps tripping over himself.
Have you seen the last races? The gap between Norris and Piastri is not as big as between Albon and Sargent or Alonso and Stroll. It's more like Leclerc and Sainz. Piastri has his moments, but Norris is in front. At the end of the day, as a team, you have to look at your points and analyze what your options are. And then you have to have a plan, otherwise you don't have to face the title fight.
Nvm the fact that one of them is a championship contender and the other one is not, which is the whole point. Oscar was given a win in Hungary, where he wouldn't have won even if the Lando wasn't favored by rge strategy and i think the massive gap he pulled proves it, and oscar cannot give lando a second place in monza? How about past weekend at zandvoort? Who had n1 pace there? But once again, it is not about who's got the ultimate pace, there's a lot of debate to be had there, but who can challenge the championship. And I think Lando is ahead in both conversations.
I do not agree. Based on your logic Oscar must just give up his position for the rest of the season if he is in front. Mclaren may never be this competitive in the near future to just tell him to give up racing is ridiculous. If Lando wants to win he has to just be better. Imagine if Oscar is in a position to win 3 of the last 8 GP must he just give that up.
Lando has thrown away 3 of 4 poles. He's a choke artist with 2 wins. Stop acting like he's some superstar relative to Oscar. 2:32 is exactly why Lando should not be given preferential treatment at this point. Oscar is only 44 points behind Lando. That's nothing in today's points structure with 10 races to go and Red Bull on the back foot. Bonus: Oscar is no longer driving with a broke rib like he was earlier this year.
Lando has more wins, more podiums, more poles, has been better in qualifying and better in race results...to deny Lando is the better driver this season you must be either blind or a moron
So the driver who has a genuine shot at the title shouldn't be the nr.1 because his teammate is "only" 44 pts behind him? If McLaren would've kept Oscar at bay in lap 1 Lando would've probably won the race and gain massively on Verstappen. This and Hungary could cost McLaren their first wc since 2008
Like use energy to hate on a driver who clearly is being held back by there team? Or use energy like you and write a whole paragraph and still say nothing? Lol go outside@@nickthaskater
@@TheDJBunch Lando had 50 laps to retake Oscar. He once again blew a pole start and failed to capitalize despite being handed two undercuts. He's the only thing holding him back.
@@adamjd7645dumbass, people would make the same arguments if the roles were reversed and piastri was in contention for the wdc. It's all about an exciting wdc fight. Max winning for too long has made it boring and people would like to see a new champ. What's so difficult to understand?
@@cedricsmith8821 Becoming, maybe. So let's just shaft your loyal driver for years and years, even allowing grandpa (Ricciardo at Monza 2019) an undeserved win, and now just letting his teammate risk DNFs while he has 44 more points (even after all the favoritism towards Oscar). It doesn't make sense if you want to optimise WCC and WDC.
Most of all people want to see exciting title fights and McLaren is throwing it away. I doubt many people would still remember the drama between Mick and Mazipin.
Will Buxton would have had a meltdown during the Senna & Prost era. Hey, viewers do you really want to see Piastri turn into another Rubens, Webber, Massa, Bottas. Norris needs to cement his position by making no mistakes to make it clear to Piastri that he is the fastest driver.
Exactly this, and he even said in an interview that he isn't desperate to win, he just does not have the right mindset to be a champion. I say let them fight this year and then let Oscar win the championship next year.
@@Whatreally123 Lando had a great start at Monza, Oscar just had an equally good start and caught a slipstream driving right behind Lando, which is how he got enough speed to go around the outside. Lando saw what Oscar was doing and didn't want to touch per "Papaya Rules" (cringe) so he let Oscar pass, and unfortunately allowed Ferrari through as well. If the team stepped up and gave team orders to Oscar to defend 1st for Lando to maximize points, this would be a different conversation.
I find it funny that when merc or RB do team orders everyone is up in arms but when McLaren doesn’t do team orders everyone is complaining about no team orders.
Because McLaren DID issue a team order to Norris back in Hungary to let Piastri have the win after he whined the last 20 laps or so. Context IS important.
@@Mav86asian They allegedly had an agreement that whomever was ahead on lap 1, would win, in the event of a 1-2. So it's just another 'lando has a bad start and costs himself points' situation.
You need to understand how the media works these days... if there isn't drama it doesn't sell. Whichever way anything plays out they will look to insight controversy and drama.
Because the brits hate max. They want RB to stop making smart, hard decisions and want McLaren to start making the smart, hard decisions. So that Max doesn't win, but a british driver does. It's not hypocrisy it's just the max hate.
Piastri and Lando will become the new Rosberg/Hamilton pairing. It's an explosion waiting to happen you can see a collision between them coming before the seasons out.
Oscar was faster than Lando and Ferrari won because of a bold strategy call and great tyre management, nothing more to it than that. If Lando wants to be treated as the number 1 driver, he has to drive like the number 1 driver.
Haha yeah Lando brought this on himself with Hungary by ruining Oscar's first win. He made the worst possible decisions because Oscar is definitely not on his side 😂.
@@unthenner5519 I mean. It would have been even worse if he'd refused swap back at all. But I do agree with you, if I was Piastri remembering my first win as that time my team unexpectedly gave my teammate an undercut on me, then he threw a tantrum for a bunch of laps before eventually, begrudgingly, with a lot of public back and forth and even let's be honest, begging from the team, let me through... yea. Sure that was one of the last ways he wanted to have it happen. What really annoys me (and this is easy to say in hindsight) is that if Lando had just done the swap at the earliest opportunity, he likely had the pace in that final stint to take the lead el natural and nobody would have blinked.
I wouldn’t like to be gifted my first win. It will be brought up sporadically throughout the coming years, especially if Lando giving up the win is going to play a big part at the end of the season which after witnessing the slow demise of redbull, I believe it will
Which is 100% fair. It was a great aggressive overtake and he ran a good race only losing the win by a Ferrari/Leclerc strategic masterclass. From a McLaren perspective though they're absolutely letting Norris down for no reason.
You are an absolute pommy...... There's 20 drivers out there, is supporters could support any one of them. So what you are saying is that only 10 can win a title. Grow up, Zak is right on the money. After all you wouldn't expect Prost or Senna to be rid they are number 2. And how many titles have McLaren one??? Your a fool....
@@jonathangriffiths2499It is if you want to build a legacy. I've already forgotten all but like a couple of races from the Mercedes dominance era. Nobody will forget Senna and Prost being allowed to race.
Then why they renew his contract? What evidence does Mclaren have that Norris is not championship driver? For the first time in years they finally have a championship car, the driver who is closest to Max is being told to yield position. Mclaren management are proving to be not ready for a championship fight. I assure you, If it Ferrari, Merc, and most definitely RB coordinating this strategy, It would be a lot different than what Mclaren have executed.
The 'smart' decision is to back Piastri. Marginally better than Norris right now. Lando being so poor off the line costs him every time. Piastri is the right horse to back!
Will Buxton having a tantrum is the best😂. Honestly what is piastri to do if he sees a gap? He’s a racer, that’s what he has to do, or does he have to play 2nd fiddle to Norris? Norris could’ve tried to take that position back but he didn’t🤷♂️
Everyone hates team orders until its 'their' driver who benefits... McLaren have ALWAYS let drivers race, hence how we got Prost and Senna. Amazing how ignorant these pundits are, and arrogant that they should be calling the shots. McLaren's priority is Constructors Championship, anything else is gravy.
...hence how Räikkönen got his 2007 championship. If you haven't been smart in the past, that's no excuse for not learning from your mistake. Quite the opposite, actually. You can wait till you have another 1988-style dominant monster of a car to win another championship, or you have to learn and start to play it smarter.
Prost and senna had a car at least as dominant as last year's RB for multiple years and the championship was a 2 driver fight for most of these years. They literally couldn't care less about team orders they were going to win both championships any way. This year if they want to win both they have to prioritize the driver who has an actual shot at WDC
Wait so lando didnt slow down and hand oscar a win because the drivers race and no team orders thats really crazy because i am fucking positive ocscars win was handed to him via team orders i guess youre fucking blind or maybe you dont fucking watch 🤷🏻
Except Oscar is not realistically a contender with Ferrari ahead of him and lando already gave him a win at Hungary, so "they let them race" there didn't them? "Ignorants"
Lando could have been 53 points behind. That means he could have won the title if he won every single remaining race. Now he needs max to finish P3 at least 3 times. He is very likely going to lose by less than 10 points and mclaren is going to have to answer some very difficult questions.
@@vladislavmatiusenco1089 If you are racing to WIN a drivers title do you back out or force Oscar to do so? Oscar knows he only has one way of pulling that move off and it is when the timid Lando lets him past. Do you think for a second that Max, Lewis, Schumacher, Alonso let Oscar pull that move off? Not once in a thousand races. Everyone keeps wondering why McLaren isn't giving Lando these points that he isn't earning...well maybe it's because they know who the real #1 is on this team, and it is the other guy. Lando is not doing the things a champion needs to do cement his position. He is literally just a guy driving the fastest car on the grid. When Max and Lewis had the fastest car they dominated the results. Lando's had the fastest car for 10 or 11 races now and has two wins to show for it.
I call BS on this one. Oscar beat Lando fair and square. He deserved to be 2nd and not 3rd. If it would be part of a strategy fair enough, but team orders in this race would have looked very dirty.
It doesn’t matter who’s 2nd or 3rd for the team. But for the drivers it does. Lando in 2nd adds to the world championship chances, meanwhiles for Oscar it means nothing if he loses those points.
@@JayJae-o7x exactly. at this point, if mclaren are serious about mounting a challenge to the wdc, they *need* to start prioritising lando's points for the next eight races. i'm an oscar fan but he just isn't a contender in the fight for the driver's this year. mclaren have been given the opportunity of a lifetime with redbull's downfall, but if they don't start working for lando, then they'll throw their chances away. I don't believe that team orders at this stage would look dirty since it's just common sense.
This is the same guy that said "You want to start in front because that means the other 19 drivers will be behind you" How about: if Lando want to win the WDC he has to drive faster then the other 19 drivers
I love that we’re at the point of complaining not about team orders but the lack of team orders, if Lando is good enough to be a champion then the first person he should be about to beat on merit is teammate instead of everyone demanding that his teammate just sits there like a lemming idling behind Lando while he bottles another race start
McLaren still have a midgrid team mentality, other teams won't play by these fancy idealistic rules. They'll use every strategy in the book and even dirty play to get the win. Neither Mclaren or Norris have that mentality. They seem poised to lose both wdc and wcc if they keep being soft
Not all team orders are the same. i believe if Oscar had the pole, and McLaren didn't order them to swap mid-race, not many people would disagree. The thing is, as Oscar's move at turn 4 brillant as it was, It was totally uncalled for and far too dangerous to execute on cold tires. As Nico Rosberg pointed out, Lando almost spun, "very close", "you wouldn't get any closer than that". Oscar could've have easily taken both of them out. Of course Oscar has every right to do what he did. But McLaren as a team got to prevent situations like this from happening, this is why so many people are mad about it.
Ok. But when you are 50 points behind [oscar] why are you so agresive in turn 1 and why does not the team order a position swap . Lando is still fighting for the DrCh. Oscar is not. If this was at the begining of the year when all of them were at 0 points then have a go oscar , but not now .
@@mikeschreiber2044i agree but at the start of the year. I am a mclaren fan since alonso was there , i even have posters of MC in my garage but after this race i will not watch the rest of the season and i hope they will do a nico-lewis or max-daniel crash . You are not able as a team to say to Oscar "yo fam , you will not win the championship this year, help lando , swap position"
I’m a Ferrari fan and this has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read. Have you seen RBs performance recently? They are floundering and the only reason the championship isn’t closer is because McLaren has no control over their drivers.
@@joepzenz giving lando or Oscar priority has no real consequence to the constructors. They will win it regardless. Bonuses to the team will be made. The drivers championship is for glory. Let them race. Only becomes an issue if they start crashing and redbull or Ferrari takes constructors.
How can they not understand that Piastri is in F1 to win races and not to help others win? Is it that difficult? People always complain about the lack of competition in the category, and when competition happens, they come with this kind of talk? I ask, does the fact that Norris is British affect the journalist's opinion?
The main issue is Oscar's move could have easily taken both cars out when they're fighting to secure the WCC and WDC. The only reason it didn't was Lando let Piastri by to avoid a collision with his teammate, and lost another place to Leclerc as a result. If McLaren doesn't reign in this type of overly aggressive driving between teammates, they're going to end up with two cars in the wall instead of bringing home max points for the team.
Lando sure has a lot of non related family working in F1, he has Martin Brundle as F1 father, Ted & Crofty as F1 uncles & Will as F1 older brother. Oscar overtake & finishing ahead didn't lose McLaren any points except Lando scored less, so Will's real issue is just that. Lando's F1 family can twist however they like but we can see right through them.
I get wanting to be fair to both drivers, but Lando deserves number 1 driver and to be prioritized for the title. His lead & potential win was ruined because they let them battle. Lando was a McLaren young driver and has been in the team since '19. He stuck with McLaren through some tough years and helped turn the team into what it is today. He's now putting him and McLaren into championship contention, If that doesn't warrant number 1 status, what does?
"This hasn't to do with the fact that I'm British." LOL. We had the same situation in 2007. McLaren allowed its young talent to race against the top dog and they ultimately lost the WDC to Ferrari / Kimi. There was no discussion in 2007 about all this stuff, no one called for team orders, etc.
Very different situation. Alonso and Hamilton were both contenders for the title. Piastri is too far back to mount a title challenge so they should favour Norris when possible
@@endjcfjdjdn9086 Piastri is equal to Norris on pace and he is a much more serious person at a younger age than Norris. Piastri won't take a backseat because he has the killer mindset. McLaren can't screw with him too much or else Webber won't hesitate to pull another contract shuffle.
@@_-TCPiastri is faster like 1 or 2 races and just barely faster. While Lando is 44 points ahead (even with a DNf) because he was the only McLaren driver challenging Max.
Lando should have never given the place in Hungary to Oscar. This set a precedent that he obeys what the team says. The team seems to care about the constructor's and their image primarily.
Just like Oscar in Hungary but McLaren were literally crying/pleading Lando to slow down almost 10 seconds to give that position back. I'm Red bull fan so this is very entertaining for me lmao.
@@jedi77palmer and they tried to do the same thing in Monza. They kept giving Lando several laps of undercut, knowing the undercut is better than the overcut here.
@@jedi77palmer Not really "better" is it though? He made that position by having a tow out of the first chicane and through curva grande. Also Lando was very very generous with the space he allowed him to have. If it was not his teammate, he would have been ran out wide and would have to give the position back. How Lando avoided crashing into Oscar and still keep the car pointing straight is beyond me. If Oscar was really driving "better", then he would have been P1 in qualy no?
Goodness he can go on. 😢 Loved the exciting racing and overtaking. Real racing, from a sporting perspective. ❤ Lando has shown several times his weaknesses in actual racing. Oscar is a better racing driver.
Oscar being : I don't give a damn about Lando's champion ship battle. I beat him in this race fair and square. And I also can take that battle for the champion ship. Love Oscar for that mindset.
So why did Lando give away the win ? It was not his fault that McLaren undercut Oscar is it? I think that Lando has to become more like Max when he is in the car... And start writing the teams orders to his @@ and do his own race
Huuuuh ? Hw just fucked over the team, nothing you are saying makes any sense rn. He lost McLaren points and cast them driver chip points, that's not impressive that's stupid and McLaren better punish him. It's wasted points, money and PR. All this did was cost them in every way but making Oscar slightly happy? That's just stupid
@@manostororosso2364 Lando needs to ignore the team and fuck oscar. Lando needs to be anasahole I'm not friends with someone trying to take my chip away I'd be so mad I'd race oscar like he's max no space or in the wall from now on
I don’t blame Oscar for fighting Lando. If Lando can’t defend his position through one lap then he doesn’t deserve to be a champion. Should Oscar just settle for second? Even Lando said in the post race interview that he doesn’t want it handed to him.
Right, and this is when the team should take over. They should manage both drivers better. Think places should have been swapped before the end of the race as it was obvious Leclerc was winning. But McL look like they just don't care about WDC at all, which is mind boggling.
@@carlalavega9828 Its not mind boggling at all really, MCL dont get prize money for winning the WDC but the Constructors championship is worth what 140 million
@@Steve-jo3cl By that logic RB should have left the race even before Max overtook Lewis in 2021 because hey, we don't get any money from this. It makes perfect sense to have both world championships because everyone wants to work/sponsor with a winning team on all fronts. From a business stand point they are big idiots if they dont see it that way.
In time Oscar will show that he is a better driver than Lando and will show that over his career. Different, calmer mindset, Lando is emotionally fragile.
This wouldnt happen if Lando did have a decisive racecraft advantage over his teammate He doesn't, on top of that he is just very underwhelming on first laps. Oscar saw the chance and took it. That is what real champion material looks like. If you need your team to block your teammate from overtaking you, then maybe you arent good enough to be a champion in the first place. And this race finish was including YET ANOTHER Mclaren undercut in favor of Lando. The team is already treating him like 1# driver, he just isnt better enough to capitalize on it over piastri.
Exactly. Piastri is only doing what we've seen Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Schumacher do before. I've seen what I need to see and I like it, the kids, polite, calm and ruthless when it counts, genuine future WDC material.
no "Multi 21 " for this Aussie 🤣🤣 Seems everyone is "ohhh poor Lando" he's fast but mentally fragile, Oscar seemed to be driving with a" IDGAF about Lando I'm gonna drive the wheels of this thing" attitude, will be interesting to see how they race each other over the rest of the season
No mate Oscar has a chance and he should be allowed to go for it. Even if he wasn't he shouldn't be made to give up positions. Lando only has himself to blame simple as that
Completely agree. They may be pretty even in pace now but Lando outclassed Oscar in the first half of the season and put himself in this position where he has a shot at the championship. Give him the support for the remainder of the year to see if he can do it and then let them fight it out as equals next season. Absolutely ridiculous to throw away the possibility of the drivers championship.
As a MV fan, I was astonished to see what unfolded in the last lap, lando deserved the swop and points. One can fight for a championship, one can give it away as well. Will is spot on in his point of view
How does Lando deserve the swap when he threw away the lead on the fourth corner against his "inferior" teammate? Oscar is 44 points behind Lando. That's nothing in today's points era with 10 races to go.
Not to demerit Charles and his amazing win, but McLaren threw the win away today. I personally root for Oscar, but Lando has a clear shot at the title, and McLaren has a clear shot at the constructor's title. If they don't get their shit together while RB has a weak car they'll come home 2nd with the best car and a seriously capable driver pairing. It would be a complete waste of engineering/driving talent.
We are way too used to teams "manipulating" results among teammates for titles. It is not good for the title winning driver, it is not good for the sport. If you say recordbooks wont remember the how only the who - you are right. But in the present it matters a lot that they let Lando finish where he would based on his own performance. If he can pull it off he is at least a legitimate champion of his own right. Yes, they are potentially throwing away the drivers' title but it is a respectable way of doing business. Fair play to McLaren.
Zak Brown has really gone out of his way this season to show that he doesn't really know how to run a championship caliber team. They threw away a couple races early with incompetent pit stop strategies. And now when the pressure is mounting to make a run at the championship, he's leaving his drivers to fight and do whatever. Which is evidence of poor planning and bad leadership. Plain and simple. Both drivers have championship potential but leaving them to battle each other with no clear plan, every weekend, is an obvious recipe for disaster. Zak may be good at pandering to investors, and he's definitely found some good engineers, but he seems very obviously out of his depth when it comes to managing potential champions.
@BanditoBurrito yes, it is obviously Zak's fault. He's in charge of "management," isn't he? I would say that fucking up team strategy repeatedly and having no plan in place for 2 drivers who are obviously competing, is the fault of the team principal. Both drivers, and Zak himself, have all openly admitted that they didn't even discuss the rules of engagement before the race, which is bad management, and bad leadership. "Just don't crash into each other" is something you'd expect to hear Danica Patrick say, not the team principal of an F1 team. Expectations are always very clear on championship teams. McLaren now have the fastest car and 2 fast drivers, and consistently look unprepared anytime there's a strategy decision to make. Not a hard concept to grasp that this is on the team principal.
How long has he been with McLaren, they put way too much confidence in Lando but he bottles it once it matters yet he’s so overhyped I don’t understand. Piastri will walk over him given any chance. If McLaren wins an wdc it’s gonna be Oscar on merit or Lando on pity hand outs.
McLaren were protecting their drivers, not their points. Best to keep them both with equal agency rather than risk losing one to benefit another. They have one of the best driver lineups on the grid - they have to be wanting to keep it that way for as long as possible.
Let’s be honest, how on earth is this guy not biased? No commentator gets that worked up without there being some bias. Lando has to first prove he is a championship contender. As said in the commentary, Ferrari is now presenting as a threat and Lando is still 64 points behind, so he still has a way to go. Lando would need to start to show the courage other champions have had to show to win the championship. Otherwise, he can sook like this guy, Will Buxton.
Lmao, you can't make top drivers follow team orders when they can still win themselves, what you gonna do when Piastri says nah? Fire him? Watch him go to another team? The reason they aren't is because it's still too early too expect him to do that, he's not gonna typecast himself as a second driver no matter what unless it's right at the end and he's out of contention. I'm genuinely sure they've already had a talk with him and he's bluntly told them no
Name ONE driver who accepted such team orders and later in their career went on to win a drivers championship. McLaren has a winning car, Piastris time is now. Should he cancel his career for Lando? The constructors title is the big one. They race on merit. Edit: If Lando can't consistently beat his team mate he does not deserve the WDC.
What do you mean consistently? He beat him last season and he is 13:3 head to head vs Piastri this season… Perez had better record vs Max than Piastri has vs Lando lol. Edit: MV fan here.
because Lando wasn't the better driver today. Oscar was the better driver in that race you refer to but was put behind Lando by McLaren strategy to keep the other teams behind
@@fincarosa but the screw up that race was not bcs of Lando, why Lando had to give that place to Oscar? why Lando has to pay for the team screwing up? and now that he needs them, they just don't help him?
Because the advantage that made Lando become first in that race came from the pitwall favoring him undercutting Piastri and McLaren specifically not choosing to do a double stack either. In this race Piastri took the position fair and square, even if he got undercut AGAIN by a pitwall that clearly favors lando.
@@AlexGreat87 Lando didnt loose anything because he didnt gain it by merit. It was all team manufactured he got there in the first place. That means the team should be able to let Piastri get ahead and assume racing on fair terms
I disagree... at this point I believe Oscar MIGHT be as good if not better than Lando. Not just in terms of raw speed (adjusted for experience), but definitely a better mindset. If the teams keep doing such good work, I believe he has a much more solid WC mindset.
Oh look, the Brits are calling for the British driver to be prioritised what a SHOCKING development. If Lando deserves to win he'll win, people calling for team orders are pathetic and are advocating for worse races.
You have to establish these rules at the start of the season, to tell the drivers, for example, "we'll let you race until 10 races to go, and we will prioritize the guy who has a better chance." like Mercedes did with Hamilton and Bottas. They can't be telling the guys they can race eachother and that they're both no. 1 drivers all season then all of a sudden give team orders. It's just a minor thing from never having to fight for championships in the recent years.
Once Oscar accepts to play second fiddle to Lando, he will forever become the no 2 driver in any team and he knows that exactly. Kudos Mark Webber for not allowing that.
Had Oscar protected Lando for the first few laps they both were potentially able to be higher on the podium and more points. How often has a championship been won and lost on a single point?!
Lando was slower than Piastri and they both had to stop a second time due to front left graining. Arguably, Leclere wins by a bigger lead if Lando stays in front.
You get it. This is how a proper team management would go about it. FIRST: optimise the team result, which would have been a 1-2, ANY 1-2! Then SECOND optimise WDC, by either letting Lando race Piastri, or letting Piastri cover for Lando. What happened in lap 1 makes no sense in both instances.
People keep talking about the 1-2. Just stop. They were committed to a 2 stop strategy and they tore up the front left. Ferrari rolled the dice on a 1 stop because they saw their tire degradation was better than expected.
Lando needs to put in a championship deserving drive to win and he isn't doing that whatsoever. And yes Will it is your british bias that's making you that frustrated with the outcome. Mclarens priority is the constructors and the driver comes 2nd
Is he forgetting the part where until the end Oscar was chasing Leclerc for the win? One bad move by Leclerc on his aged tires would have meant a win for Oscar and potentially a 1-2 for McLaren. Slowing Oscar down to switch the position would make no sense. Perhaps these commentators should leave the stratergies to the professionals.
Lando should be able to beat his teammate if he wants to be WC. If the roles were reversed Will would be cheering Lando. British bias in F1 is so tiring.
I'm a McLaren fan, but I absolutely resonate with Will Buxton's frustrations here. McLaren have clearly built a championship winning car, but they're not acting like a championship winning team. They obviously still think they're an underdog team, which they're not. Lando obviously felt very let down today but didn't want to say so publicly. Oscar is probably being subjected to a lot of hate on social media because of the opening lap which isn't his fault, he's just doing his job. So well done McLaren, you've created a mess!
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Remember the radio call "Lando, you are going to need Oscar if you are going to win the Title"
ya that was load of bs lando needs to v fierce
Once you break a horse like that, they will forever be broken.
This had actually already happened at Monza 2019. Lando should have won that race, but wasn't allowed to.
@@wreagfe Monza 2021, 2019 Leclerc won
First of all you need to score points to win the title 😅
Any other team would have radioed to switch positions. It wasn’t for a race win like Buxton said
McLaren doesn't have that Champion mindset. They are afraid to make the difficult calls.
Totally agree!
100% Redbull wouldn’t bat an eyelid, Ferrari wouldn’t bat an eyelid. McLaren back in the day wouldn’t have batted an eyelid.
Lando doesn’t have a champion mindset.
@@chrisbarker5336i agree. He doesn’t have it yet. If vettel or max would’ve been in his position in hungary, they would have never given the place back. No amount of pleading from the team would force them to do so.
@@chrisbarker5336I can see Oscar as a champion but never Lando
You have to imagine Webber has taken a stance as Piastri's manager of 'If you screw my boy over / don't give him equal opportunity (like RB did to him vs Vettel), i'll take him elsewhere'.
Absolutely, and that's completely fair. Where it gets tricky is if they start putting each other in the wall at the cost of points for the team. Piastri's move in T4 could have easily ended in tears if Lando didn't let Oscar have the corner
@@robertm5969Too true!!
@robertm5969 Piastri is too smart for that. He's level headed and can deal with pressure unlike Lando. Piastri's Monza move was extremely clean and looking at the replay, it was Lando that almost dropped it sideways lmao.
Where exactly?
You don't get it, do you?
F1 has very few opportunities.
If you said "Fuck it" and left the team, where would he go?
To a team at the back of the pack.
Right now, McLaren is giving him an opportunity that Piastri wouldn't get anywhere else.
Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari are showing no interest whatsoever.
Where would he go?
@@habibks1 Who is to say which team will have the best car next year or the year after. We do know the team that won't have Oscar if they do him over with team orders.
Unpopular opinion but if anyone at McLaren (team members and drivers included) who has that world champion mentality, that ruthlessness and that mindset is Oscar Piastri
But he does not have the pace
Yeah good luck for winning the champioship with him, when you have lando closer, oscar slept in the beginning of the champioship nowbthey have the fastest car and are behind lando 40 points, now he wants to be the number one 🤦♂️
@@InspoLelhe does, he just didn't have the best start of the season
He get good mentorship from Webber seems like, but his pace is not fast enough most of the time.
@@thevinceberry Prost wasn't the outright fastest either.
I still cringe remembering the Sky Sports panel whining about Team orders at Ferrari, when Vettel was in for the title. Even if Kimi was far from the championship possibilities. Meanwhile ignoring when Bottas was used and abused by Mercedes.
You're right, if they won the championship, any championship recently but when you've been struggling to get to the top for years and this is your first chance... you're an idiot if you didn't, this could change their future in F1.. bring them back to the front, especially being Norris is 2nd in the DC with like 9 races to go.
Could you point out when Bottas was abused by his team ?
@@jonathangriffiths2499 Are you joking? A quick example was in the Russian GP 2018.
@@jonathangriffiths2499 Another quick example, was being testing engine mappings for Lewis in the 2021 season. If was Ferrari or Red Bull doing the same, not a surprise the Media would be outraged.
Literally 2017 - 2019 was an example of team orders and Vettel choked it...
Will Buxton missed a precious opportunity to say. "If Max has more points thank Lando, he is the world champion"
But it’s not because of his nationality!
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Max has the better car for the first half of the racing season and max doesn't have a competitive teammate in his way.
@@cnn8420no driver alone wind the championship. You need a whole team
@@cnn8420 oscar might be competitive for race wins but he is 4th in the standings, more than a 100 points behind max and has no chance of winning the championship, so in long terms of the championship itself lando does not have a competitive teammate.
@@BobbyDazzler888what happens when the teammate is being a selfish POS?
If this is RB or Mercedes, this wouldn't be a conversation. McLaren aren't a serious team when it comes to hard decisions. They just want everyone to like them.
They still don't believe they're the favorite. They're still trying cheeky undercuts and overcuts and all the little tricks you try when you have a mid field car that's by some chance in P6 with 10 laps to go trying to just score points. P2/P3 is NOT acceptable when you get start P1/P2 by (albeit a slim) margin. On race pace Lando and Oscar SHOULD have been 8-10 seconds ahead of LeClerc at the end, but they bungled it by being worried about covering off Red Bull 20 seconds down the road. In Zandvoort they asked Lando who they were racing instead of telling him.
I guess they just didn't believe that Ferrari would one stop both cars and it wouldn't matter until it was too late. Like George in Spa, but without the DSQ.
@@WhiteG60 thanks for this comment.
It's hard to go by , too many fanboys.
You absolutely right , mclaren need to do better job at strategy.
That's what makes them lose a lot of points and convert races to wins.
Norris also need to up his game.
He's fast over one lap but terrible at reading the race and adjust his racing to the situation.
These guys often been miles ahead with planning -Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel , Rosberg and Button
@@WhiteG60tell me you don't understand f1 strategy without telling me you don't understand f1 strategy
And if Lando wasn't British we wouldn't be having this conversation. If the roles were reversed and Oscar was 2nd in the WC these Brits would be pining for no team orders!
Mercedes only looked solid when they had a clear number 1. When they didn’t they were either too dominant for this to matter, or weren’t challenging for it to matter. RB had the number one status set pretty early
Its also on Lando to just beat Piastri in the first place. If he wants the win, then race like it
If Lando was stubborn and refused to give up position they would've crashed when Oscar tried to overtake. Lando was trying not to sabotage their race but piastri did anyway
If he was Ruthless like Max or Lewis he wouldn't have swapped position in Hungary
@dillonmostert829 yes we all heard lando say that, not neccessarily the case
Well to put you in your place sir he has been more faster and better than Oscar over the course of the season so Lando for the sake of the championship for him they should give him priority over Oscar in my opinion
Piastri is getting the upper hand and will be even better next year.
Its now or never for Norris who has reached his peak.
How many times has mclaren manipulated the pitstops (undercutting piastri) to help norris, including monza, britain, and yet piastri is still in front?
Pure competition. It’s beautiful that McLaren are letting their drivers fight.
Except Hungary…
@@nunocarmona Hungary as well. The turnaround was because they made a mistake and had Lando undercutting Oscar. Strategy blunder, not favoritism or handouts. Glad I could clarify that one for you!
If the same situation comes up again Lando should not give up the position. Possibly both cars out, McLaren looses WDC. Then Oscar and McLaren will learn a lesson.
Lando has thrown away more points by himself than what piastri has "taken" away from him. No one to blame but himself. I don't think he wants it as bad as others who have fought for the Championship in Previous Years
He needs to fight elbows out against his teammate now in each corner. And he regrets caving in on the bullying in Hungary to swap places. This will come to blows on track. No doubt abt that.
One thing that is important to say and a lot of people are missing this point: IT IS NOT UP TO OSCAR TO TAKE THIS DECISION, HE IS A DRIVER THAT WANTS TO WIN AND HE WILL GO FOR IT, THATS A CHAMPION MENTALITY.
If you wanna blame someone blame Mclaren.... not oscar
Will and mclaren super fans are so cringe worthy. This is formula 1 not a sport for the faint hearted. McLaren have a rocketship underneath them and lando still fumbles. Does he honestly deserve a WDC? Of course he doesn't because the boys currently unable to get one without the media begging the team to give out team orders. It was truly embarrassing how max was able to win at the previous italian grand prix when lando was lapping half a second faster at times. He's just not that guy yet and who honestly wants to win a WDC in such a way if even having a rocket ship they still can't pull it off with natural ability?
Jesus this British media and their favouritism. If Lando wants to be a WDC he needs to take it. Championships don't and should not be handed to you. Lando needs to act like a champion and just F*$%^cking do it man. No-one will respect him if he wins the title with Oscar moving over for him. Oscar is showing way more balls to be a WDC, he sees a gap and goes, love his work.
The media will moan about teams not racing each other and they will moan when they do start racing. Can't have it both ways
Oscar is the one who got gifted a win, blud acts like he deserves more when he didnt even deserve the one he got. Both of those cucks are annoying, but at least Norris is a proper race winner.
this was totally mclaren's fault oscar and lando are racing drivers they are gonna race blaming either of them is stupid. Mclaren should have told them to engage only after having a decent gap from the ferraris ig they underestimated ferrari
Agree 100% Maclaren don't know how to win championships yet.
They're too busy trying to win driver of the day awards...
They clearly know how to win constructors championships
Lando needs to learn to be a complete driver
He’s done over at the start of the race as usual when he starts from pole, chill man you’re not commentating on McLaren channel!
Yet? They forgot after Ron Dennis left
Lando is throwing it away himself by not establishing himself as the clear number 1. When Max starts from pole in the fastest car, he runs and hides on Sunday, whilst Lando loses places at the start and finishes 3rd. He even lost ground in spa despite Max starting 11th. Not McLaren's fault Lando keeps tripping over himself.
But he's not the clear number 1. Oscar and Mark Webber made a statement here. Lando didn't pass Oscar. He wasn't quick enough
@@exF3-86 That's what he's saying. Lando isn't fast enough to justify being the clear number 1.
Have you seen the last races? The gap between Norris and Piastri is not as big as between Albon and Sargent or Alonso and Stroll. It's more like Leclerc and Sainz. Piastri has his moments, but Norris is in front. At the end of the day, as a team, you have to look at your points and analyze what your options are. And then you have to have a plan, otherwise you don't have to face the title fight.
Lando has more wins, more podiums, more poles, has been better in qualifying and better in race results...what else is he supposed to do?
Nvm the fact that one of them is a championship contender and the other one is not, which is the whole point. Oscar was given a win in Hungary, where he wouldn't have won even if the Lando wasn't favored by rge strategy and i think the massive gap he pulled proves it, and oscar cannot give lando a second place in monza? How about past weekend at zandvoort? Who had n1 pace there?
But once again, it is not about who's got the ultimate pace, there's a lot of debate to be had there, but who can challenge the championship. And I think Lando is ahead in both conversations.
I do not agree. Based on your logic Oscar must just give up his position for the rest of the season if he is in front. Mclaren may never be this competitive in the near future to just tell him to give up racing is ridiculous. If Lando wants to win he has to just be better. Imagine if Oscar is in a position to win 3 of the last 8 GP must he just give that up.
Lando has thrown away 3 of 4 poles. He's a choke artist with 2 wins. Stop acting like he's some superstar relative to Oscar. 2:32 is exactly why Lando should not be given preferential treatment at this point. Oscar is only 44 points behind Lando. That's nothing in today's points structure with 10 races to go and Red Bull on the back foot. Bonus: Oscar is no longer driving with a broke rib like he was earlier this year.
Lando has more wins, more podiums, more poles, has been better in qualifying and better in race results...to deny Lando is the better driver this season you must be either blind or a moron
So the driver who has a genuine shot at the title shouldn't be the nr.1 because his teammate is "only" 44 pts behind him? If McLaren would've kept Oscar at bay in lap 1 Lando would've probably won the race and gain massively on Verstappen. This and Hungary could cost McLaren their first wc since 2008
@@ajw1045 clearly you care more than they do. You should do something more productive with your energy.
Like use energy to hate on a driver who clearly is being held back by there team? Or use energy like you and write a whole paragraph and still say nothing? Lol go outside@@nickthaskater
@@TheDJBunch Lando had 50 laps to retake Oscar. He once again blew a pole start and failed to capitalize despite being handed two undercuts. He's the only thing holding him back.
I’m 100% agreed, Mclaren management acting foolish
McLaren is the new Ferrari... run by incompetent bozos. Oooooh maybe this means the Ferrari curse is finally lifted!!
Only when it's Lando, it seems. Gifts are bad in every other circumstance. 🤦♂️
@@adamjd7645dumbass, people would make the same arguments if the roles were reversed and piastri was in contention for the wdc. It's all about an exciting wdc fight. Max winning for too long has made it boring and people would like to see a new champ. What's so difficult to understand?
Zak Brown doesn't know how to manage drivers.
Just look at his Indycar team.
Must have been bad management to produce a car that good.
For the first time, Will makes complete sense to me.
My thought exactly!
British bias ? It is becoming clear Piastri is the becoming the better overall driver
@@cedricsmith8821British bias is officially the weakest argument anyone can bring up in all of formula 1
@@karthikpenumetch9300 O when was it made official old chap?
@@cedricsmith8821 Becoming, maybe. So let's just shaft your loyal driver for years and years, even allowing grandpa (Ricciardo at Monza 2019) an undeserved win, and now just letting his teammate risk DNFs while he has 44 more points (even after all the favoritism towards Oscar). It doesn't make sense if you want to optimise WCC and WDC.
People watch F1 for precisely the moves, drama and suspense Oscar and Leclerc created.
It's also supposedly a sport where winning is kind of the point, not 'drama'...
that is until there's something actually interesting going on in the title battle. then people actually want to see that happen. mclaren sadly doesnt.
Most of all people want to see exciting title fights and McLaren is throwing it away. I doubt many people would still remember the drama between Mick and Mazipin.
@@yibozhao1012 Title fight is interesting right now. That RB is falling apart so fast.
Racing begets a certain amount of unpredictability, which is what people like, not the unfairness that causes drama.
Will Buxton would have had a meltdown during the Senna & Prost era. Hey, viewers do you really want to see Piastri turn into another Rubens, Webber, Massa, Bottas. Norris needs to cement his position by making no mistakes to make it clear to Piastri that he is the fastest driver.
So Lando can't drive well and messes up his starts but these guys expect Oscar to to just sit back and let Lando by?
GTFO.
Exactly this, and he even said in an interview that he isn't desperate to win, he just does not have the right mindset to be a champion. I say let them fight this year and then let Oscar win the championship next year.
@@liquidhalo the British media BS has become unbearable. Specially in this video with Buxton acting as if some grave injustice is being done. 🤦🏽♂️
@@Whatreally123 Lando had a great start at Monza, Oscar just had an equally good start and caught a slipstream driving right behind Lando, which is how he got enough speed to go around the outside. Lando saw what Oscar was doing and didn't want to touch per "Papaya Rules" (cringe) so he let Oscar pass, and unfortunately allowed Ferrari through as well. If the team stepped up and gave team orders to Oscar to defend 1st for Lando to maximize points, this would be a different conversation.
I find it funny that when merc or RB do team orders everyone is up in arms but when McLaren doesn’t do team orders everyone is complaining about no team orders.
Because McLaren DID issue a team order to Norris back in Hungary to let Piastri have the win after he whined the last 20 laps or so. Context IS important.
@@Mav86asian They allegedly had an agreement that whomever was ahead on lap 1, would win, in the event of a 1-2. So it's just another 'lando has a bad start and costs himself points' situation.
You need to understand how the media works these days... if there isn't drama it doesn't sell. Whichever way anything plays out they will look to insight controversy and drama.
Exactly!,,
Because the brits hate max. They want RB to stop making smart, hard decisions and want McLaren to start making the smart, hard decisions. So that Max doesn't win, but a british driver does. It's not hypocrisy it's just the max hate.
Piastri and Lando will become the new Rosberg/Hamilton pairing. It's an explosion waiting to happen you can see a collision between them coming before the seasons out.
Definitely. Lando reminds me of Rosberg in his early days against Hamilton. Very quick but too much of a team player. He will learn from these races
Piastri is the complete package and will soon be dominating crybaby Lando who clearly lacks the maturity and calmness of Oscar.
@@SuperEdge67childish hate comment, grow up
@@Redlingstein Do you have a poster of Lando on your bedroom wall?
Lando will get eaten up by Oscar next year
Mclaren are still in midfield mindset. OHHH so happy to win 1-2 races in a year and finish 4th.
Yep they're so worried about what's happening behind them they forget about winning the race.
Oscar was faster than Lando and Ferrari won because of a bold strategy call and great tyre management, nothing more to it than that. If Lando wants to be treated as the number 1 driver, he has to drive like the number 1 driver.
No one spoke this passionately when Lando tainted oscars win in hungary.
Haha yeah Lando brought this on himself with Hungary by ruining Oscar's first win. He made the worst possible decisions because Oscar is definitely not on his side 😂.
@@unthenner5519 I mean. It would have been even worse if he'd refused swap back at all. But I do agree with you, if I was Piastri remembering my first win as that time my team unexpectedly gave my teammate an undercut on me, then he threw a tantrum for a bunch of laps before eventually, begrudgingly, with a lot of public back and forth and even let's be honest, begging from the team, let me through... yea. Sure that was one of the last ways he wanted to have it happen. What really annoys me (and this is easy to say in hindsight) is that if Lando had just done the swap at the earliest opportunity, he likely had the pace in that final stint to take the lead el natural and nobody would have blinked.
Oscar isn’t a bitch. He wants to win. 🏆
and cuchck norris is for giving back that place
oscar participationtrophi :))))))
I wouldn’t like to be gifted my first win. It will be brought up sporadically throughout the coming years, especially if Lando giving up the win is going to play a big part at the end of the season which after witnessing the slow demise of redbull, I believe it will
Which is 100% fair. It was a great aggressive overtake and he ran a good race only losing the win by a Ferrari/Leclerc strategic masterclass. From a McLaren perspective though they're absolutely letting Norris down for no reason.
You are an absolute pommy......
There's 20 drivers out there, is supporters could support any one of them. So what you are saying is that only 10 can win a title.
Grow up, Zak is right on the money. After all you wouldn't expect Prost or Senna to be rid they are number 2. And how many titles have McLaren one???
Your a fool....
I love that McLaren is letting their drivers race each other. It reminds me of the Lauda v. Prost and Prost v. Senna days.
It’s no way to run a multi million dollar industry
@@jonathangriffiths2499It is if you want to build a legacy. I've already forgotten all but like a couple of races from the Mercedes dominance era. Nobody will forget Senna and Prost being allowed to race.
How old r u my friend? 😂
At that time the title fight was between the two McLaren drivers themselves .... So it was ok to let them race .
The situation isn't the same now.
Except they are fighting Max for the championship not really each other
The only explanation for this is that McLaren doesn’t believe Norris is a true #1. End of story .
Then why they renew his contract? What evidence does Mclaren have that Norris is not championship driver? For the first time in years they finally have a championship car, the driver who is closest to Max is being told to yield position. Mclaren management are proving to be not ready for a championship fight. I assure you, If it Ferrari, Merc, and most definitely RB coordinating this strategy, It would be a lot different than what Mclaren have executed.
Who would? He has bottled so many opportunities (aside from all the bottling McLaren haa done)
@@marctorres2759 But that's why those teams get so much hate and everyone loves mclaren.
@@marctorres2759 You are right He is called Piastri.
McLaren have realised that Piastri is the better overall driver here.....
The 'smart' decision is to back Piastri. Marginally better than Norris right now. Lando being so poor off the line costs him every time. Piastri is the right horse to back!
Perhaps if Lando hadn't tried so hard to cover off Oscar in turn 1, he couldve better defended against the drivers behind him
Will Buxton having a tantrum is the best😂. Honestly what is piastri to do if he sees a gap? He’s a racer, that’s what he has to do, or does he have to play 2nd fiddle to Norris? Norris could’ve tried to take that position back but he didn’t🤷♂️
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If you don't understand Buxton's point here you are kinda braindead. He also is blaming piastri at all so don't know what you are yapping about.
Everyone hates team orders until its 'their' driver who benefits... McLaren have ALWAYS let drivers race, hence how we got Prost and Senna. Amazing how ignorant these pundits are, and arrogant that they should be calling the shots. McLaren's priority is Constructors Championship, anything else is gravy.
...hence how Räikkönen got his 2007 championship. If you haven't been smart in the past, that's no excuse for not learning from your mistake. Quite the opposite, actually. You can wait till you have another 1988-style dominant monster of a car to win another championship, or you have to learn and start to play it smarter.
Prost and senna had a car at least as dominant as last year's RB for multiple years and the championship was a 2 driver fight for most of these years. They literally couldn't care less about team orders they were going to win both championships any way.
This year if they want to win both they have to prioritize the driver who has an actual shot at WDC
Absolutely 💯 agree. Otherwise you may add week just have 10 drivers, if the other 10 can't race....
Wait so lando didnt slow down and hand oscar a win because the drivers race and no team orders thats really crazy because i am fucking positive ocscars win was handed to him via team orders i guess youre fucking blind or maybe you dont fucking watch 🤷🏻
Except Oscar is not realistically a contender with Ferrari ahead of him and lando already gave him a win at Hungary, so "they let them race" there didn't them? "Ignorants"
Lando beats Oscar to the first corner and still can't hold the lead for one lap? He doesn't deserve a WDC then.
Lando could have been 53 points behind. That means he could have won the title if he won every single remaining race. Now he needs max to finish P3 at least 3 times. He is very likely going to lose by less than 10 points and mclaren is going to have to answer some very difficult questions.
Lolol, what a surprise, all the British are in agreement. If Lando was good enough, he’d beat Oscar, simple as that.
Yeah all that’s happening is Mclaren allowing piastri to show how good he is
By nearly taking out both cars on the first lap
Clean overtake, nothing to see here
@@joshaldo2502only because lando as a more experienced drived predicted what could happen and braked early to avoid an incident
@@robertm5969oh that’s right, it was a clean pass 🤡
@@vladislavmatiusenco1089 If you are racing to WIN a drivers title do you back out or force Oscar to do so? Oscar knows he only has one way of pulling that move off and it is when the timid Lando lets him past. Do you think for a second that Max, Lewis, Schumacher, Alonso let Oscar pull that move off? Not once in a thousand races.
Everyone keeps wondering why McLaren isn't giving Lando these points that he isn't earning...well maybe it's because they know who the real #1 is on this team, and it is the other guy. Lando is not doing the things a champion needs to do cement his position. He is literally just a guy driving the fastest car on the grid. When Max and Lewis had the fastest car they dominated the results. Lando's had the fastest car for 10 or 11 races now and has two wins to show for it.
The only person with the right attitude on that team is Piastri. It baffles me also.
I call BS on this one. Oscar beat Lando fair and square. He deserved to be 2nd and not 3rd. If it would be part of a strategy fair enough, but team orders in this race would have looked very dirty.
It doesn’t matter who’s 2nd or 3rd for the team. But for the drivers it does. Lando in 2nd adds to the world championship chances, meanwhiles for Oscar it means nothing if he loses those points.
@@JayJae-o7x exactly. at this point, if mclaren are serious about mounting a challenge to the wdc, they *need* to start prioritising lando's points for the next eight races. i'm an oscar fan but he just isn't a contender in the fight for the driver's this year. mclaren have been given the opportunity of a lifetime with redbull's downfall, but if they don't start working for lando, then they'll throw their chances away. I don't believe that team orders at this stage would look dirty since it's just common sense.
@@JayJae-o7x Tell that to Oscar.
If verstappen is in that mclaren, he’s not making the same mistakes as lando. These pundits are the definition of one-eyed
This is the same guy that said "You want to start in front because that means the other 19 drivers will be behind you"
How about: if Lando want to win the WDC he has to drive faster then the other 19 drivers
I love that we’re at the point of complaining not about team orders but the lack of team orders, if Lando is good enough to be a champion then the first person he should be about to beat on merit is teammate instead of everyone demanding that his teammate just sits there like a lemming idling behind Lando while he bottles another race start
McLaren still have a midgrid team mentality, other teams won't play by these fancy idealistic rules. They'll use every strategy in the book and even dirty play to get the win. Neither Mclaren or Norris have that mentality. They seem poised to lose both wdc and wcc if they keep being soft
Not all team orders are the same. i believe if Oscar had the pole, and McLaren didn't order them to swap mid-race, not many people would disagree. The thing is, as Oscar's move at turn 4 brillant as it was, It was totally uncalled for and far too dangerous to execute on cold tires. As Nico Rosberg pointed out, Lando almost spun, "very close", "you wouldn't get any closer than that". Oscar could've have easily taken both of them out. Of course Oscar has every right to do what he did. But McLaren as a team got to prevent situations like this from happening, this is why so many people are mad about it.
Ok. But when you are 50 points behind [oscar] why are you so agresive in turn 1 and why does not the team order a position swap . Lando is still fighting for the DrCh. Oscar is not. If this was at the begining of the year when all of them were at 0 points then have a go oscar , but not now .
Yes, from a team management point of view.
However this is what F1 has been needing for ages. Real racing. Not team orders
@@mikeschreiber2044i agree but at the start of the year. I am a mclaren fan since alonso was there , i even have posters of MC in my garage but after this race i will not watch the rest of the season and i hope they will do a nico-lewis or max-daniel crash . You are not able as a team to say to Oscar "yo fam , you will not win the championship this year, help lando , swap position"
Why should Oscar give Lando positions when the fight is hypothetical and it won’t affect constructors. Let the man race
I’m a Ferrari fan and this has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read. Have you seen RBs performance recently? They are floundering and the only reason the championship isn’t closer is because McLaren has no control over their drivers.
Because just a month ago McLaren FORCED Norris to give the win to Piastri in Hungary?
@@Mav86asian he must have anesthesia lol people are pretending like Hungary never happened.
I think it's amnesia @@joepzenz
@@joepzenz giving lando or Oscar priority has no real consequence to the constructors. They will win it regardless. Bonuses to the team will be made. The drivers championship is for glory. Let them race. Only becomes an issue if they start crashing and redbull or Ferrari takes constructors.
How can they not understand that Piastri is in F1 to win races and not to help others win? Is it that difficult? People always complain about the lack of competition in the category, and when competition happens, they come with this kind of talk? I ask, does the fact that Norris is British affect the journalist's opinion?
The main issue is Oscar's move could have easily taken both cars out when they're fighting to secure the WCC and WDC. The only reason it didn't was Lando let Piastri by to avoid a collision with his teammate, and lost another place to Leclerc as a result.
If McLaren doesn't reign in this type of overly aggressive driving between teammates, they're going to end up with two cars in the wall instead of bringing home max points for the team.
Fair overtake, nothing to see here. Lando stuffed up another start and Piastri took his chance. It's called racing!
Lando sure has a lot of non related family working in F1, he has Martin Brundle as F1 father, Ted & Crofty as F1 uncles & Will as F1 older brother. Oscar overtake & finishing ahead didn't lose McLaren any points except Lando scored less, so Will's real issue is just that. Lando's F1 family can twist however they like but we can see right through them.
I get wanting to be fair to both drivers, but Lando deserves number 1 driver and to be prioritized for the title. His lead & potential win was ruined because they let them battle. Lando was a McLaren young driver and has been in the team since '19. He stuck with McLaren through some tough years and helped turn the team into what it is today. He's now putting him and McLaren into championship contention, If that doesn't warrant number 1 status, what does?
It's Lando's fault too; his start was, once again, not good, putting him in a position to be attacked.
"This hasn't to do with the fact that I'm British." LOL. We had the same situation in 2007. McLaren allowed its young talent to race against the top dog and they ultimately lost the WDC to Ferrari / Kimi. There was no discussion in 2007 about all this stuff, no one called for team orders, etc.
Very different situation. Alonso and Hamilton were both contenders for the title. Piastri is too far back to mount a title challenge so they should favour Norris when possible
The difference being Hamilton and Alonso were close throughout the year…Piastri is still too far behind
@@endjcfjdjdn9086 Piastri is equal to Norris on pace and he is a much more serious person at a younger age than Norris. Piastri won't take a backseat because he has the killer mindset. McLaren can't screw with him too much or else Webber won't hesitate to pull another contract shuffle.
@@sierra9565 Too far behind? I guess the overtake means he's soo much slower then. Get your head out of your arse.
@@_-TCPiastri is faster like 1 or 2 races and just barely faster. While Lando is 44 points ahead (even with a DNf) because he was the only McLaren driver challenging Max.
I disagree, after Hungary Lando requested that they be left alone to fight and they let them fight. Be careful what you wish for.
Buxton would prefer to give Lando a three lap head start.
Lando should have never given the place in Hungary to Oscar. This set a precedent that he obeys what the team says. The team seems to care about the constructor's and their image primarily.
Lando had 50+ laps to recover that position lost.
“Wants to see a championship fight” Will says..
You’re exactly right. He had 50 laps to fight. Didn’t win. F can’t stand this wanker
Just like Oscar in Hungary but McLaren were literally crying/pleading Lando to slow down almost 10 seconds to give that position back. I'm Red bull fan so this is very entertaining for me lmao.
@@Scientist-exe Oscar won his position with better driving, Lando was given it by the team pit stop
@@jedi77palmer and they tried to do the same thing in Monza. They kept giving Lando several laps of undercut, knowing the undercut is better than the overcut here.
@@jedi77palmer Not really "better" is it though? He made that position by having a tow out of the first chicane and through curva grande. Also Lando was very very generous with the space he allowed him to have. If it was not his teammate, he would have been ran out wide and would have to give the position back. How Lando avoided crashing into Oscar and still keep the car pointing straight is beyond me. If Oscar was really driving "better", then he would have been P1 in qualy no?
Goodness he can go on. 😢
Loved the exciting racing and overtaking.
Real racing, from a sporting perspective. ❤
Lando has shown several times his weaknesses in actual racing. Oscar is a better racing driver.
I think Lando wants to win on merit, and not being let through by his team mate. Also, Oscar is in f1 to win, and not to be second best.
Oscar being : I don't give a damn about Lando's champion ship battle. I beat him in this race fair and square. And I also can take that battle for the champion ship.
Love Oscar for that mindset.
Well, he can't fight for the championship
(Reasoning being he's too far behind)
So why did Lando give away the win ? It was not his fault that McLaren undercut Oscar is it? I think that Lando has to become more like Max when he is in the car... And start writing the teams orders to his @@ and do his own race
Huuuuh ? Hw just fucked over the team, nothing you are saying makes any sense rn. He lost McLaren points and cast them driver chip points, that's not impressive that's stupid and McLaren better punish him. It's wasted points, money and PR. All this did was cost them in every way but making Oscar slightly happy? That's just stupid
@@manostororosso2364 Lando needs to ignore the team and fuck oscar. Lando needs to be anasahole I'm not friends with someone trying to take my chip away I'd be so mad I'd race oscar like he's max no space or in the wall from now on
Lmao the mindset of handing wins to Ferrari. 🤡
Obviously he wants the driver to win by team orders , not drivers skills. You want a championship fight , well let the drivers drive!
Love how everyone hates team orders. Then a team allows their drivers to fight, people complain.
The DTS generation maybe.
When Zack said something like “ it’s nice to see a Ferrari win in Italy “. I was like, what?
What's the problem boss
Weird….
@MAXIMUMF excuse me boss
I don’t blame Oscar for fighting Lando. If Lando can’t defend his position through one lap then he doesn’t deserve to be a champion. Should Oscar just settle for second? Even Lando said in the post race interview that he doesn’t want it handed to him.
Right, and this is when the team should take over. They should manage both drivers better. Think places should have been swapped before the end of the race as it was obvious Leclerc was winning. But McL look like they just don't care about WDC at all, which is mind boggling.
@@carlalavega9828 Its not mind boggling at all really, MCL dont get prize money for winning the WDC but the Constructors championship is worth what 140 million
It was a too risky overtake on a teammate which cost them P2 at that point as well… they almost crashed of together…
Lando did nothing wrong this time on first lap, it's just that kind of track...
@@Steve-jo3cl By that logic RB should have left the race even before Max overtook Lewis in 2021 because hey, we don't get any money from this. It makes perfect sense to have both world championships because everyone wants to work/sponsor with a winning team on all fronts. From a business stand point they are big idiots if they dont see it that way.
In time Oscar will show that he is a better driver than Lando and will show that over his career. Different, calmer mindset, Lando is emotionally fragile.
OJP is not concerned with your view Will. Neither is McLaren.
This wouldnt happen if Lando did have a decisive racecraft advantage over his teammate
He doesn't, on top of that he is just very underwhelming on first laps.
Oscar saw the chance and took it. That is what real champion material looks like.
If you need your team to block your teammate from overtaking you, then maybe you arent good enough to be a champion in the first place.
And this race finish was including YET ANOTHER Mclaren undercut in favor of Lando. The team is already treating him like 1# driver, he just isnt better enough to capitalize on it over piastri.
In favor of Lando putting him behind Max Verstappen.... super smart of them
"Oscar saw the chance and took it. That is what real champion material looks like."
Then to lose from the third car. WDC material indeed. Hahaha.
Exactly. Piastri is only doing what we've seen Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Schumacher do before.
I've seen what I need to see and I like it, the kids, polite, calm and ruthless when it counts, genuine future WDC material.
Do people really think undercut is some overpowered ability or something? Just a few weeks back Norris himself destroyed a red bull undercut.
@@wreagfe 2nd finishing 2nd is a lot better than 1st finishing 3rd. Lando Nowins will never win a WDC
no "Multi 21 " for this Aussie 🤣🤣 Seems everyone is "ohhh poor Lando" he's fast but mentally fragile, Oscar seemed to be driving with a" IDGAF about Lando I'm gonna drive the wheels of this thing" attitude, will be interesting to see how they race each other over the rest of the season
No mate Oscar has a chance and he should be allowed to go for it.
Even if he wasn't he shouldn't be made to give up positions.
Lando only has himself to blame simple as that
The points Lando has already lost have a probably already cost him drivers championship, if he had any chance at all
Completely agree. They may be pretty even in pace now but Lando outclassed Oscar in the first half of the season and put himself in this position where he has a shot at the championship. Give him the support for the remainder of the year to see if he can do it and then let them fight it out as equals next season. Absolutely ridiculous to throw away the possibility of the drivers championship.
As a MV fan, I was astonished to see what unfolded in the last lap, lando deserved the swop and points. One can fight for a championship, one can give it away as well. Will is spot on in his point of view
What's the point of swapping if you let them race in lap 1 in the first place. Dat slaat als een tang op een varken.
@@wreagfewhen you're going for a championship then you need every point you can get. Ferrari and Red Bull have both played this game in the past
How does Lando deserve the swap when he threw away the lead on the fourth corner against his "inferior" teammate? Oscar is 44 points behind Lando. That's nothing in today's points era with 10 races to go.
@@wreagfefair point
@@wreagfedat gezegde 😂
Not to demerit Charles and his amazing win, but McLaren threw the win away today. I personally root for Oscar, but Lando has a clear shot at the title, and McLaren has a clear shot at the constructor's title. If they don't get their shit together while RB has a weak car they'll come home 2nd with the best car and a seriously capable driver pairing. It would be a complete waste of engineering/driving talent.
We are way too used to teams "manipulating" results among teammates for titles. It is not good for the title winning driver, it is not good for the sport.
If you say recordbooks wont remember the how only the who - you are right. But in the present it matters a lot that they let Lando finish where he would based on his own performance. If he can pull it off he is at least a legitimate champion of his own right.
Yes, they are potentially throwing away the drivers' title but it is a respectable way of doing business. Fair play to McLaren.
Oscar is closer to Lando than Lando is to Max... just a fact...
Spot on, Mcl are doing an aweful job at managing the position they're in :/
Zak Brown has really gone out of his way this season to show that he doesn't really know how to run a championship caliber team.
They threw away a couple races early with incompetent pit stop strategies.
And now when the pressure is mounting to make a run at the championship, he's leaving his drivers to fight and do whatever. Which is evidence of poor planning and bad leadership. Plain and simple.
Both drivers have championship potential but leaving them to battle each other with no clear plan, every weekend, is an obvious recipe for disaster.
Zak may be good at pandering to investors, and he's definitely found some good engineers, but he seems very obviously out of his depth when it comes to managing potential champions.
Somehow this is Zak’s fault? Lmao.
Managing the driver's races shouldn't be Zak Brown's responsibility. He's the CEO. That falls upon the team principal.
@BanditoBurrito yes, it is obviously Zak's fault. He's in charge of "management," isn't he?
I would say that fucking up team strategy repeatedly and having no plan in place for 2 drivers who are obviously competing, is the fault of the team principal.
Both drivers, and Zak himself, have all openly admitted that they didn't even discuss the rules of engagement before the race, which is bad management, and bad leadership.
"Just don't crash into each other" is something you'd expect to hear Danica Patrick say, not the team principal of an F1 team. Expectations are always very clear on championship teams.
McLaren now have the fastest car and 2 fast drivers, and consistently look unprepared anytime there's a strategy decision to make. Not a hard concept to grasp that this is on the team principal.
Not only that, he's also a sleazy liar and in all his interviews that I've seen so far he just keeps babbling the same nonsense.
How long has he been with McLaren, they put way too much confidence in Lando but he bottles it once it matters yet he’s so overhyped I don’t understand. Piastri will walk over him given any chance. If McLaren wins an wdc it’s gonna be Oscar on merit or Lando on pity hand outs.
Will "If you start first, that means everyone else starts behind you" Buxton
Look if Lando can't convert any number of poles into wins then how the hell is he championship material.
Truth!💯💯
Lando got outdriven on the opening lap. We don’t want to see a pre-determined order before turn 1 of a race.
Where was the call? Oscar you’re going to need lando and the team.
Somewhere in the 10 laps he led at Hungary…
Maybe he doesn't need them as much as Lando 😂
Oscar wasn't gifted his position he didn't have to do sfa
Oscar raced to be in front.... Lando was given the undercut (i.e. the favourable strategy) to get in front in Hungary... it's not the same.
McLaren were protecting their drivers, not their points.
Best to keep them both with equal agency rather than risk losing one to benefit another. They have one of the best driver lineups on the grid - they have to be wanting to keep it that way for as long as possible.
This way it’s gonna explode ON TRACK…. This approach will backfire at McLaren
Let’s be honest, how on earth is this guy not biased? No commentator gets that worked up without there being some bias. Lando has to first prove he is a championship contender. As said in the commentary, Ferrari is now presenting as a threat and Lando is still 64 points behind, so he still has a way to go. Lando would need to start to show the courage other champions have had to show to win the championship. Otherwise, he can sook like this guy, Will Buxton.
Buxton is a well known moron, but apparently good for audience I guess?
Lmao, you can't make top drivers follow team orders when they can still win themselves, what you gonna do when Piastri says nah? Fire him? Watch him go to another team? The reason they aren't is because it's still too early too expect him to do that, he's not gonna typecast himself as a second driver no matter what unless it's right at the end and he's out of contention. I'm genuinely sure they've already had a talk with him and he's bluntly told them no
No it’s actually an eight point swing. Max was 70 points ahead now he’s only 62
Name ONE driver who accepted such team orders and later in their career went on to win a drivers championship.
McLaren has a winning car, Piastris time is now.
Should he cancel his career for Lando?
The constructors title is the big one.
They race on merit.
Edit: If Lando can't consistently beat his team mate he does not deserve the WDC.
What do you mean consistently? He beat him last season and he is 13:3 head to head vs Piastri this season… Perez had better record vs Max than Piastri has vs Lando lol.
Edit: MV fan here.
@livesporttv2031 based on your stats then team orders are simply not required so we are all good.
McLaren made Norris swap places a few races back. Entirely not sure why they did it then, and why they refused to do the same with Piastri today.
because Lando wasn't the better driver today. Oscar was the better driver in that race you refer to but was put behind Lando by McLaren strategy to keep the other teams behind
@@fincarosa but the screw up that race was not bcs of Lando, why Lando had to give that place to Oscar? why Lando has to pay for the team screwing up? and now that he needs them, they just don't help him?
Because they never should have pitted Lando first…
Because the advantage that made Lando become first in that race came from the pitwall favoring him undercutting Piastri and McLaren specifically not choosing to do a double stack either.
In this race Piastri took the position fair and square, even if he got undercut AGAIN by a pitwall that clearly favors lando.
@@AlexGreat87 Lando didnt loose anything because he didnt gain it by merit. It was all team manufactured he got there in the first place. That means the team should be able to let Piastri get ahead and assume racing on fair terms
I disagree... at this point I believe Oscar MIGHT be as good if not better than Lando. Not just in terms of raw speed (adjusted for experience), but definitely a better mindset. If the teams keep doing such good work, I believe he has a much more solid WC mindset.
Oh look, the Brits are calling for the British driver to be prioritised what a SHOCKING development.
If Lando deserves to win he'll win, people calling for team orders are pathetic and are advocating for worse races.
You have to establish these rules at the start of the season, to tell the drivers, for example, "we'll let you race until 10 races to go, and we will prioritize the guy who has a better chance." like Mercedes did with Hamilton and Bottas. They can't be telling the guys they can race eachother and that they're both no. 1 drivers all season then all of a sudden give team orders. It's just a minor thing from never having to fight for championships in the recent years.
Once Oscar accepts to play second fiddle to Lando, he will forever become the no 2 driver in any team and he knows that exactly.
Kudos Mark Webber for not allowing that.
Had Oscar protected Lando for the first few laps they both were potentially able to be higher on the podium and more points. How often has a championship been won and lost on a single point?!
Lando was slower than Piastri and they both had to stop a second time due to front left graining. Arguably, Leclere wins by a bigger lead if Lando stays in front.
You get it. This is how a proper team management would go about it. FIRST: optimise the team result, which would have been a 1-2, ANY 1-2! Then SECOND optimise WDC, by either letting Lando race Piastri, or letting Piastri cover for Lando. What happened in lap 1 makes no sense in both instances.
People keep talking about the 1-2. Just stop. They were committed to a 2 stop strategy and they tore up the front left. Ferrari rolled the dice on a 1 stop because they saw their tire degradation was better than expected.
2007, Kimi was World Champion 1 Point ahead of Lewis i think. But youre right
@@spawnofapathythey only had to stop a second time cuz they cooked their tires by racing each other instead of chilling in the front like Ferrari.
Buxton expects Piastri to bend over backwards to make up for all of Lando's mistakes
you talking about the guy who had to have a win gifted to him?
@@Artec619 Yes, the same guy who was unintentionally not gifted that position in the first instance, because of team strategy. Yes, that guy...
You wanna see a championship fight???
Where the f… have you been???
THIS IS A CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT!!
iT IS TOTALLY BECAUSE OF YOUR NATIONALITTY.
Lando needs to put in a championship deserving drive to win and he isn't doing that whatsoever. And yes Will it is your british bias that's making you that frustrated with the outcome. Mclarens priority is the constructors and the driver comes 2nd
Is he forgetting the part where until the end Oscar was chasing Leclerc for the win? One bad move by Leclerc on his aged tires would have meant a win for Oscar and potentially a 1-2 for McLaren. Slowing Oscar down to switch the position would make no sense. Perhaps these commentators should leave the stratergies to the professionals.
Rediculous, when there are teamorders, the same.reporters are crying. Ffs
Nah Lando didn’t want to give up the place when he overtook Oscar the other time. He said Oscar should overtake him. He should do the same.
Lando should be able to beat his teammate if he wants to be WC. If the roles were reversed Will would be cheering Lando. British bias in F1 is so tiring.
I'm a McLaren fan, but I absolutely resonate with Will Buxton's frustrations here. McLaren have clearly built a championship winning car, but they're not acting like a championship winning team. They obviously still think they're an underdog team, which they're not. Lando obviously felt very let down today but didn't want to say so publicly. Oscar is probably being subjected to a lot of hate on social media because of the opening lap which isn't his fault, he's just doing his job. So well done McLaren, you've created a mess!
Calm down Spartacus.
Will is punching air tbh. Lando choked today
We are competing to WIN 🇧🇷❤️
Piastri is a class driver he has the minerals, future champion right there