lol they only keep him around not just cause of his surname but cause he’s German. Other than that he serves 0 purpose. He’s not even top3 sim drivers Merc have proven by how little they put him in there now.
He's doing great in wec, leave him be. Most of the f1 grid should move over there as well, f1 is a waste of talent with all the shit they've been doing
Colapinto paying for his driving, bortoleto signed bcs of sponsors("we dont need 2 german drivers"),doohan has contract for 5 races.only antonelly has choosen logicaly?not. Toto said : i think i want antonelly in my team and signed him.that's all.
At least Williams sent a message that they aren’t giving up on their junior drivers just because their last one was Logan Sargeant. Williams management as a trend demonstrates a little more “humanity” than the other teams. It sounded like that was something Claire fought for when she sold the team.
@@Leith_Crowther williams management is by far one of the most cruel and inhumane management in F1, think about Latifi and Sargeant and their psychological damage sustained in Williams
Toto should be putting Mick in the car for 2025. Russell is going to make Antonelli look like dogmeat in the worst way possible. Let Antonelli win a F2 season and get some extra experience. Let Mick fight it out in a big 3 team and show his skill.
@@KiLLJoYTH-camMick won't do better than Kimi. Mick had his chance, and failed. He was basically the equivalent of Logan Sergeant with a popular name.
Quick answer: He's not good enough. Long answer: He's decent but fits much better to the wec, is crash prone, and him being 3rd fastest schumaher doesn't help
I think the final nail in the coffin was when KMag was so thoroughly exposed by Hulkenberg. It just further devalued Shumacher's performance relative to KMag in the previous year.
@@ChrisMisMYhandle wut u expect he never racer in LMP2 machine while his other teammates does that actual not that bad just let him have time ... And why u still want be harsh on Mick even outside F1 ?.
Yeah I agree about him being the 3rd quickest Schumacher, however when Ralf won his first GP Autosport did a headline asking is he or could he better than Michael?
the fact that the two pro-schumacher arguments comes from his mom and his uncle and not from a team principal should give you all the insight you need. being honest is better and more entretaining to have new rookies than recycled ones. plus he is on wec and is pretty good on it
All that Franco Colapinto qualifies as Williams driver is that he was in their junior program. There certainly is nothing special about him either. In the group of Colapinto, Seargent, Zhou and Doohan I dont see anyone who really deserves to be F1 driver and yet they became it. Mick has archived more than any of them (and yet didnt convince in F1). But if Vowles would be totally honest then his newest driver choice has nothing to do with merit either.
@@_Dibbler_ We have a very good body of work from Mick Schumacher. He's proven that he's not good enough for F1 based on his time there, Colapinto has not had F1 experience so it's hard to tell if he would have been successful now time will tell. Mick has PROVEN he's nothing special just like Seargent did over the past two years.
@_Dibbler_ absent the chance to develop a special driver, the best decision is to give the seat to the best guy paying the most money. Mick would have the seat if he had a better money/skill combination
@@Rasmanit So do we now randomly put anyone into F1 cars to figure out if he is good enough? I dont say Mick deserves a chance, I say Colapinto doesnt. He is one of many drivers like the ones that I listed that should never have been there in the first place. Same with Antonelli. Win F2 and F3, then we talk. I dont want more mediocre drivers in F1, I want less
I think Ralph is doing more harm tbh. If as a team principle I can avoid this guy I will. If that means not signing mick even if he was fast I'd just sign another guy lol.
That's just not his way. He's a quiet guy, but he's from F1 royalty who feel entitled. It's the same deal with US Soccer and the Reyna family, where the kid Gio was far more mature than his parents who were demanding he was playing at the World Cup and were undermining the manager.
Most famous executives in other teams: "Haas did not treat Schumi fairly", then opportunity comes to put him in the team as an F1 driver: "Nope im not doing that", two faced people everywhere.(Toto, Helmut etc.)🤣
The two people you called out have no option for him. The other teams already have drivers they've committed to putting in those seats. By the time they realized they'd need to swap Sargeant Mercedes had already told Antonelli he was in the seat next year, so they don't have an opening, and Red Bull has 5 drivers for 4 seats, the last thing they need is a 6th.
As James Vowles rightly pointed out, Mick Schumacher is not special. Just because he is a Schumacher doesn’t mean he’s automatically granted a seat, as some of his fans seem to believe. Mick has already been in Formula 1 and simply wasn’t very good, and that’s okay There are other motorsports where he can excel at
If his name wasn't Schumacher, people would've already forgotten him, like they forgot Vandoorne, De Vries, Ericsson, Kubica, Nasr, Wehrlein, Hartley, Giovinazzi, or Kvyat.
@@lonyo5377 I meant in regards to getting back to Formula 1 after 2019 season. One bad season in the worst car ever, and nobody considered him ever again.
@@steelin666Kubica was never really pushed out. Even after the accident, teams continuously asked him to run sim work and testing as he is one of the best at providing feedback. Even still that happens but he is busy with the amount of other racing he does.
He's decent, but so are a lot of drivers. There are only 20 seats and he isn't the only one fighting for one. Many are younger, have more potential upside or have achieved more prior to F1. Hard to see anyone picking him up when his most attractive trait is his last name.
Tbf i do think Williams should've given Mick the seat for 2023 and let Logan stay in F2 another year and grow as a driver. It would have been a new shot for Mick to show if he's improved in a more rookie friendly team so to speak. I do genuinely think that a major reason to why Mick didnt get a seat was because of him being crash prone, and someone like Zhou bringing in way to much money for Sauber to consider removing him. Mick has decent pace honestly, but not enough to be a special driver in the sport, a soild midfield driver at best imo
@@lemmyboy4107 In F2 or F3 just like in F1, teams matter more than drivers, that's how you get drivers that are horrible like Schumacher to win F2, by giving them the best team, meanwhile other drivers (Colapinto, Antonelli, Borboleto and Bearman) have to drive for less competent teams.
@@Dale_Earnhardts_Mustachethere was the same push for Nyck De Vries and Hulkenberg when they were out of F1, Nyck showed he can't handle the pressure, but we haven't seen enough of Mick, yes he was crash prone, but head to head he was ahead of Magnussen both in Races and Qualifying, he could use another shot at not a garbage team like Haas.
And Toto. Seriously, Toto talks like Mick is the greatest driver ever and the teams are missing out by not hiring him yet he hired Antonelli over Mick.
Williams had their 2025 lineup complete, for the remaining of the year they needed a driver who doesn't crash their cars like Sargeant did, and Mick had destroyed many cars before without showing potential. And they opted to give a chance to a driver of their own academy, that's why Colapinto was selected. Anyway, Williams didn't need to hire Schumacher, he wasn't one of their drivers. Mick is a reserve driver from Mercedes and drives for Alpine in WECC, and neither one of them chose him despite having available seats. So, why should any other team would? The only option is Sauber/Audi, but they would renew Bottas or promote Bortoleto.
Money makes the world go round. Perez is backed by the richest man in Mexico. Strolls dad is the billionaire owner of the team he drives for and Zhou is a pay to play driver backed by a shed load of money in China.
@@Thermalions he had a year in an undrivable car and after that 1 year break of racing he at least matched Magnussen for most of the season. Noone is claiming he will win loads of titles, but neither will Zhou, Tsunoda, Stroll or Hulkenberg. Same for Perez, Bottas and a couple of other drivers on the current grid to be honest.
Really feel for him, having his dad as his dad and an uncle who succeeded musta piled pressure on, but fair enough, not cutting it in F1 isn't a terrible thing, he's doing good in WEC and maybe he can win championships with a better team over there
@@rishinarang9966 Absolutely not, had his last name not been what it is he would have never had the two seasons in formula 1, so many drivers have similar CVs to him and never got their chance let alone two
@@Issam-od4pg His last name also means he's compared against one of the most successful drivers in history and his uncle who was no slouch either. Two sides of the same coin. Sure doors would've been opened for him, but those doors would also come with higher expectations.
As the saying goes, "you're only as good as your last race". Success in lower series serves only to get you a shot in F1, in which he succeeded but, once there, you have to prove yourself. He had his shot and failed to impress and that's the end of it.
@@corneliusbotha369 Absolutely! I'll be keen to see how BMW and Alpine get on this weekend too. Both the BMW's were quick at COTA and the #35 Alpine had a great race too. It'll be interesting to see if their speed carries over to Fuji!
I don't get people who say he was treated unfairly, anyone with a different name would've been treated the same and nobody would've batted an eyelid dude just wasn't good enough
But the point is, that he was set impossible standards and expectations because of his surname. I think people really expected him to be Michael 2.0...anything less than that and "he doesn't deserve to be here".
Yet it was his sir name which worked against him. He had a slow start in 22 but was bettering Kmag at the end to Steiners dislike! Mick won the F2 in such a mature manner, he had a lot more talent than at least 5 current F1 drivers. He just needed some support not an ego maniac team principle.
Tbf he wasnt treated well in Haas, even Steiner admitted that he was way to harsh on Mick. But Mick also didnt help his case by having massive shunts costing Haas alot of money before they got the moneygraam deal. It makes sense as to why Haas let Mick go, but i'm not sure they gave him a fair shot either
@@lacko623 nope, crashing a lot and costing a lot of money to his team for two seasons while only scoring points twice was the reason everyone said "He doesn't deserve to be here"
How is that the same thing? Wanting him in Williams would be a way to see how he does, to see if maybe he is able to show that he has what it takes, in a low pressure environment without any risk to Mercedes. Giving him a Mercedes seat is doing all of that with the risk and would mean delaying Antonelli who he obviously thinks is ready.
That made sense though. it doesnt matter how much Toto likes Mick, Antonelli is simply a bigger talent. And sidelining a talent like that will almost never work out, as we saw with Oscar and how Toto lost Max for example. He'd never be able to sleep well again if he made that mistake twice
@@JulmustensV8 well we will see if antonelli is actually a bigger talent. Guy has yet to win anything outside the junior series. Its not like the guy is dominating F2 right now. He had a few decent races and surely has pace, but that can be said about many others and Mick at least won F2.
At this stage, he might as well maintain his reserve role and continue on his WEC career. Use that as the stepping stone to show that he’s grown. If he doesn’t go back on the grid, he can bring the Schumacher name to another discipline
Imagine how ridiculous it would be if F1 media were churning out "Why F1 Won't Give Nyck de Vries Another Chance" "Does de Vries Have a Shot at a 2025 Seat?" "Ten Reasons Why a de Vries Comeback is a Possibility" pieces. That's what this is.
@@espvp You can tell people who give a fair assessment or just dislike Mick for his surname by checking if they consider the first season an "opportunity" lol. Mick was basically doing test drives learning how to react to blue flags in the first season in a Haas car that was no longer developed and was already the slowed before they stopped developing it. It was more of a 1 year pause of actual racing than an opportunity. He shoulda done it like Piastri instead of driving for a third rate team like Haas that refused to develop their car.
The thing with Schumacher-Magnussen was that he was catching him as the season was ending. He was learning fast. Given more time/1 more season, he probably would’ve passed KMag.
Btw would just like to add that Mick actually won the head to head in races vs KMag except in points. Reason for that is the first race where Magnussen did race brilliantly giving him the bulk of the points difference (P5, +10 points). Other than that, they were pretty match that season.
I mean he already was better towards the end of the season. The only reason there was a point difference was the first race. And when Mick was going for solid points he got kinda fucked. He e.g. got floor damage from Stroll putting Alonso into the wall when he was about to finish maybe P7 and there were a few similar issues. Team sold him out one race as well letting him run on the wets when it was already dry instead of bringing him in for inters instantly, which you would expect a back of the grid team to do lmao. Instead they were like "oh we have been sleeping now we have to hope for a safety car lul"
Mick outperformed kmag in 2022 for the majority of the season, but thats often missed because the car was no longer competitive enough to score points when mick was finishing ahead of him more often than not. I also find it difficult to think that mick would uave ever gotten a race ban. He wasn't given a fair shake and ill continue to stand by that
This went over the heads of many! Going from the 21 car to 22 car clearly affected Mick but he did adapt. Kmag had nothing to lose and has a lot more confidence than Mick but ultimately Muck bettered him towards the end. Steiner was having spats with Micks family which is ultimately why he wanted him gone.
low IQ F1 fans tend to check the wiki page and go like "But Kmag hat double the points" Yeah bro and basically all of them from a single race lol.. You can tell most of them havent watched the races or at least only remember what happened at the front.
What part of "he only got a drive in F1 because of his dad?" you don't understand? As for Colapinto, he scored more points in two F1 races than Sargeant in his full year and a half, so his choice is more than justified.
It's incredible how many people pushing for Perez to get that Red Bull seat in 2020 after so many years stuck in the midfield, now suddenly believe he isn't F1 worthy at all
After his form this year I definitely think Checo needs to be replaced next year, however this year is seems like more than him the RB20 has been an absolute mess and that was concealed by Max hustling that car to the best of his ability. Now that even Max can't drive it anymore there is almost no point in putting someone else in the second seat for this year. Also Checo's drive yesterday was decent so if maybe just maybe he can replicate it for the rest of the season he can maybe make a case for himself in the future. But his loss of form is very much the reason Red Bull is losing the constructors and if they just decide to keep him without any performances to show then it's an absolute joke.
That is so true. If we are to believe uncle Ralf, then Mick should be world champion many times over. In ucle Ralf's mind he is the best and should be on the grid. Given Toto basicly said that Shcumacher is family and didn't promote him for next season tells me and the workd what Vowells has said is true. He is good, but we want more than good.
If only Michael was around... Mick would've had more support and could've learned more from one of the greatest to ever do it. Hope you're doing well, Michael.
@@Lora_Beolab seriously what is wrong with you people the guy is a legend of the sport who's outside the track a wonderful person yet you mock his unfortunates like you are watching a comedy skit. Try growing as a human being rather than being a wannabe ironic humorist
I mean he pretty much has the fastest lap of the three every WEC race no? Of course its hard to compare conditions in WEC because weather and temps and tires and fuel loads change a lot, but still he seemed to carry their team in WEC, especially on their most recent podium
@@LunnarisLP the fastest lap doesn’t matter. Consistent laptimes and good tyre management is important, and Mick still has to improve in that regard (as well as being cleaner on track). His final stint at Fuji was strong though, I will give him that
Honestly, I would have liked to seen Mick race for Mercedes for one year just to give Kimi another year to develop in F2 before getting into the seat. It would have been no more excuses for Schumacher to perform and truly show his ability in a top tier seat.
Are you sure that Bottas is the frontrunner for the remaining Sauber seat? They've already got an experienced set of hands in Hulkenberg, and Mattia Binotto had been seen talking to Gabriel Bortoleto (and his manager, none other than Fernando Alonso) at Monza. Bortoleto has been storming the crap out of F2 and is very close to the title. Would be nice to see another young talent on the grid next year.
Schumacher was never confident in the HAAS car, he was often "over"-driving the car to make time, but the understeery nature of the car didn't fit his style. However Kmag liked that. The latest HAAS is more oversteery, I'd argue Schumacher could be slightly faster than Kmag in that car.
Just do either Formula E or WEC and be great there. No shame in not getting a return in F1. Plenty of talented drivers to test yourself against and big teams & manufacturers to be a part of in those respective series'
To be fair, alpine may have not told mick they went with jack because their standard protocol is to do the opposite of what is considered best practices.
I might have missed something but did they really need to tell him? Like was there anything more than just "O he races for them in WEC and there are rumours"? Because then I don't think they have any reason to specifically tell him, that would come in if there were proper talks, not just rumours.
@@DeathBlocks I mean they were both testing for them, shooting him a quick mail wouldnt be asked to much or maybe a quick call instead of having him learn about being rejected on the media. Its like ghosting someone you have been dating. I mean sure you down owe the other person anything, but if you have some human decency you should probably just tell them you are not interested..
@@LunnarisLP not sure why I didn't think of that part. I agree with you there. Like maybe if they had a ton of people testing and some other things but yeah in this case it does sound like a quick call/mail was in order.
simply not enough seats on the grid - there should be 24-30 seats, not 20 - this enables "maybe" drivers such as Mick and others to be given a fair chance to prove themselves where it counts
Why not make F2 a true companion series to F1 with similar cars and no ban on the champion returning? It works for NASCAR where the second series is very similar to the main series. Instant 45+ seats.
@@TassieLorenzo F2 is a junior category. Its never been the idea that there is a 2nd tier Formula, or at least not since decades. If it was young drivers would even be stuck in F3 which doesnt make the problem any better. There are enough mediocre drivers in F1. Mick would just be another one. Anyone who believes his talent has not been seen can go to Indycar and come back if they manage to dominate there
He had his chance and was not only slow but kept crashing, there also so many amazing young talent coming through who are a much better option such as Colopinto and Bearman
Mick won the F2 championship (LeClerc, Russell, Piastri, DeVries to name a few) and then went into the worst garbage team in F1...HAAS. I think there would be a different story going on had he gone to a real team with good leadership and a great car. But that's how it goes. Mick will be fine and continue racing in WEC and maybe another formula after.
Am I the only one watching the seasons he raced? He seems like a nice guy but he didn't impress us in f1 due to the amount of crashes and slow pace. I don't get why there are so many videos about it. (Other than his father being a great driver).
The views and interaction they get... this video has over 180k views in 16 hours, look at the other recent videos and their views over a couple of days.
I’m still shocked that James had to apologise and he legit seems like the nicest leader of any team and he will always think about something before answering it over and over again
And the perverse situation where the bloke moaning about people rejecting him, has been rejecting him for years. Toto could have given him a drive years ago, but decided to keep putting him on the sideline.
Except Mercedes is a top team which Mick just doesn’t deserve. But it’s more arguable he deserves a midfield or backmarker team. He’s significantly better than Zhou, Sergeant, De Vries. And Tsunoda couldn’t match him in F2 and was getting whooped by Gasly for 2 seasons. So I think Mick is slightly better than Tsunoda.
There's no current 'supersubs' in the F1 sphere. That meaning ex-F1 drivers who are ready to step in at a moment's notice, the last one being Nico Hulkenberg who did it from 2020-2022. Mick Schumacher has the perfect opportunity to be that, but the number 1 quality that a 'supersub' needs is to be a safe pair of hands, and Mick has a reputation of being a crasher. He can only blame himself
One thing that doesn’t get enough air is just how badly Haas let Mick down, he was on for points in numerous races until he was given strange strategy calls or 10 second pit stops
The feeder series are pumping out good drivers and drivers are racing for until they are much older . It would be good to see him fill in for a race in the Mercedes to see where he is. He could get the saber seat if they had a insane amount of money to bring
Because he always took too much time to get up to speed in the junior categories, isn't particularly young, is prone to writing off the car & seemingly brings mediocre financial backing despite his last name.
Giovinazzi has more experience in F1, more points and a better points average per race in a similarly shit car, has won races in WEC as opposed to Schumi Jr - and yet there aren't any videos about why he wasn't chosen for this or that vacant seat. I wonder why?
Although Magnussen had way more points than Mick, he didn't out right demolish him, Mick was better of the two in the latter part of the season where Haas wasn't anymore that compatitive
you need to remember that mick was dropped after being dropped from Ferrari driver academy 2022 if mick was any good ferrari would have made him 3rd driver
The problem is then that Hulkenberg was immediately MUCH faster than Magnussen. So being even with Magnussen is not good enough. Magnussen is dropped from F1 too after all. Take the Sauber drive, Schumacher is in competition not only with fellow youngster Gabriele Bortoleto but also veteran Valterri Bottas who is still fairly fast. Is Schumacher the better choice than Bortoleto or Bottas?
Mick has about as good a CV as Nick de Vries or Stoffel Vandoorne, yet German media still portraits him as the next coming of his dad and absolutely deserving of a seat in F1...
Nonsense, the german media is just reporting on him a lot since he's german, but they're not portraying him like he's Michael 2.0, not even close. In fact most german "fans" of the sport love to hate him and that's reflected in the reporting.
@adriansterling1442 "Everyone in F1 has a good CV' Zhou's CV is quite mediocre. Ironically Kobayashi's CV was mediocre too, yet Kamui was a solid F1 driver (good at racing, not so good at qualifying, the opposite of the other Toyota driver Jarno Trulli).
@@iliketoast-q9b and that's the true dick move. I can imagine that when he joined the grid, he was expected to be his father's mirror image. But once he's shown to be anything less, then the hate started. Just let the poor guy be himself...
Very very good. Now make a video about why F1 keeps rejecting Nicolas Latifi, Mazepin, Van Doorne, Nyck De Vries etc? We simply cant understand why F1 is doing this to these world champions in waiting...
No matter how good your CV may be, you're always going to be easy to pass for someone else when you crash a lot with not much in return. It's no different than with Logan. Crashes cost money and development time. Teams can always give him a chance, but you can say that for every young driver now who is in the sidelines.
That's unfair, without Mick Haas wouldn't have been P8 in the constructors and he scored a few times, outpaced Magnussen in the races 13/7 iirc. A good team principal would have recognized that and not lambasted his own driver in the media for an entire season.
@@iliketoast-q9b Just because a driver scored you points doesn't mean they're free from criticism. Those points came at the cost of multiple big crashes prior that probably would have cost the team a good chunk of what they gained from finishing ahead AlphaTauri, and that's in an era when the cost cap is a thing. And this was pre-Moneygram Haas here that just lost Uralkali as a title sponsor. I don't blame anyone for being more cash-conscious at this point instead of just looking at who finishes ahead. It's all well in good to finish higher for Constructors' money, but it's better that your drivers don't wreck the car completely, something Mick wasn't able to avoid. And points ultimately matter in F1 where KMag was the one that finished higher. He took advantage of Haas' early season form, Mick didn't.
@@dustinabigan2776 Of course some criticism was warranted, but that doesn't mean it's a smart move to tell the media about it. It's unprofessional and more importantly destructive to driver morale. Steiner didn't even stop when Mick scored twice in a row. This sport requires peak performance and that also includes the team principal, something which Steiner obviously failed to deliver. When the Haas mechanics managed to misalign Mick's front axle so badly he had to steer left to go straight during the Silverstone quali, it was clear to me there is more going on behind the scenes we don't know about. Crashing is to be expected from a rookie, but it seemed that Haas also wasn't giving Mick their A-game when it came to setup and preparation. Magnussen just got lucky in the 2022 season if you ask me. Last year him and Hulk matched Mick's 12 points, combined.
@@iliketoast-q9b We're talking about Mick here, not Steiner. Just because I'm criticizing Mick doesn't mean I'm saying the team principal is free from wrongdoing. The fact Haas hasn't went up much since 2021 despite throwing everything into 2022 shows that. A team principal needs to be behind their driver, but in the cases where a team principal doesn't believe in you and you let that affect your performance, sorry but you're not cut out for F1 if you let that get in your head. Everyone needs to be delivering in this sport as you said, but both Mick and Steiner weren't doing that. That's why both were removed at one point or another. And what's with bringing up Silverstone and all the speculation? You said it yourself there's stuff you don't know, so focus on the facts here unless you want to accuse Haas of deliberately sabotaging Mick's car all year, which of course anyone with common sense knows they will not knowingly do because it also hurts their chance at points overall. And while there may be some luck to KMag getting points, the fact is that he got the points and took advantage of the situation. That's what scoring points in F1 is about by being at the right place at the right time. KMag in 2023 and 2024 isn't the KMag in 2022. At this point it's fair that he's now the one getting kicked from Haas. But we're talking about 2022 here, not 2023 or 2024, and the plain and simple situation is KMag at the time was delivering way more in exchange for less cost compared to Mick. KMag had about half a million in crash damage or $20K per point. Mick did nearly 4 million in crash damage or about $330K per point. Enough said with crash damage compared to performance.
Mick struggled at the beginning of 22 with the new cars but was clearly faster than KMag from the middle of the season. The Haas just was not competitive as at the beginning of 22 anymore. I think Mick is still a good driver who brings in a great image, a lot of sponsorship money and attention and who can be very good with the right support. But I also think his ship might have sailed. It kind of was bad luck. Franz Tost would have hired him in 23 but Marko said no. It wasn`t meant to be
Michael's accident is even more tragic that not only did it seal his own fate but also Mick's because Mick was 15 when Michael had that accident, so he lost out on so much racing knowledge throughout all the junior categories and even more so in F1. And plus there is no way in hell Haas would have treated him the way they did in 2021 or 2022 had a Michael Schumacher been sitting there in the negotiations and roaming around the team at every race. It's just such a double tragedy and as a German myself, everytime I think about it, I'm absolutely heartbroken
As a German, I can comfortably say I want to see him in F1. That two years with Haas were painful to watch. I think he handled himself well, even though the pressure from KMAG must have been tough. I also believe the first year at Haas did not do anyone any favours. Of course, there is no guarantee that he is even capable of performing the way his dad did. Yet he has proven that he can win championships in other categories. My feeling is, that by constantly bringing up his name, various parties (Ralf Schumacher, German Media, Wolff, Marko etc.) are achieving the exact opposite of what they want. The comments by Vowles actually reflected the overall sentiment. Schumacher is good, but not special. For any other driver, that would be good enough. You can win championships through work ethic. You can become special. He is young enough to have that moment. There are enough F1 drivers who fit that description. But by constantly trying to portray him as someone he is not, his uncle, German Media etc are creating a disconnect from reality (even though they mean well). I do believe Mick will get his chance. And I do believe it will come when people stop trying to hype him up in order to help him (or to profit from it).
While I agree with you (and yes, I am partial because I was a fan of his dads and a fan of him too), sadly, I'm not so hopeful that he'll ever get another chance just seeing recent events. Personally, I'm well aware, that he's not his father and I never expected him to be world champion with a HAAS. But I'd still rather him have at least a decent career and bowing out on his own terms rather than being unceremoneously booted from the sport. Plus, it was a bit shocking that Sargeant got another chance with Williams after his nothingburger performance in 2023, while Mick was outed despite his two points finishes and an overall decent pace.
Mick's era in F3 and F2 had no real talents, look even Mazepin fighted for the F2 title, Mick is so overrated that he only won TWO F2 races in 40-50 races, guys like Russell, Lerclerc won ++5 races in their ROOKIE seasons
I really wanted Mick to do well in F1. What a story that would have been. But he's not F1 material. He's a lovely chap and I hope he has a great career in WEC or Indy Car
Not even Toto really believes in him, and he is Mick’s biggest cheerleader in the paddock. Toto isn’t giving Mick a seat next year. Hmm, I wonder why. Maybe because Mick isn’t special.
@@lazlo2511 The car was more similar to the Ferrari in terms of spec whom Mick was testing with frequently at the time and had Fred Vasseur as the principal at the time, who was the former team principal of ART (an F2 team), so he would also have that the advantage of having a principal who had experience of working with junior drivers
It’s crazy when you think about it really, I’d say both Sargent and Latifi were worse, but I don’t know if he was good enough, especially considering Kmags current form.
And I quote Newey: “From the outside I’m not sure people fully appreciate and understand Max, just like they didn’t with Sebastian,” Newey told High Performance. “Because first of all, there’s a sort of demonisation that both of them suffered at times which I think’s very unfair. “Maybe that’s also a little bit of the British media, if I’m honest, Sky have a huge influence around the world, their viewing is truly international but their coverage is quite nationalistic, dare I say, and that can have an influence.” I was wondering, maybe The Race want to add something to this??
Mick might be the worst f1 driver so far. He can’t drive any car you give him. Getting rejected by HAAS and alpine says it all. Also he was a reserve driver for Mercedes for 2 years now but he didn’t get the seat for next season that says it all. People only like him because his father was a legend.
You can win f4, f3 and f2… step into a dysfunctional haas team and all of a sudden you’re losing out to people running 6th place in lower championships
The WEC series would not only help build his stamina but also teach Mick how to take more care of not crashing since he has to share it with 2 other drivers.
Mick wasn’t in the right team environment to develop himself as a F1 driver. It’s Ferrari academy fault. He should have been in the Alfa Romeo like Charles.
Did they still have the control over an Alfa seat in 2021? I agree he should rather have been there but I don't think they had the thing of having control over one of the seats then so not like they could force him in.
I do believe a lot of people just enjoy bashing Mick, has he had poor performances, yes but I think people need to understand that Mick is human, and should be treated as such Also I can promise you, the moment that Kimi or Jack underperform in 2025, people will rip them apart
Yeah it's a tricky one, had he been better placed in F1 had his dad didn't have that nasty skiing accident? or could Ralf had looked after him a bit better? what I mean is I think it would have helped him had he gone to Alfa Romeo back in the day and given him some support from Ferrari, it's also tricky because unlike when his Great father raced testing was unlimited and that would have helped him more too.
Steiner 100% fucked Mick over in that Haas and that is also the reason why Mick didn't improve during that 2 year period, which lead to Mick losing out on experience and knowledge when time came to test for Alpine.
Go cry me a river, formula 1 is the pinnacle of motorsports,If Mick was decent enough he would be driving a Mercedes next year, the only thing Mick has to offer is his last name and apparently his name is not even good enough to get him a sit
I would recommend Schumacher a Season in the IndyCar series. Maybe He can prove himself in this series and Show that He is capable of winning races and beeing competitve to get a Seat in F1. Or If Not, He can Just stay in Indy. Thats Not so Bad too
People calling him crash-prone really don't remember what early Vettel and Verstappen were like prior to their successes. It didn't help that Mick was driving a fucking tractor. Antonelli binned it on his first lap in F1...
@@Meeko2689 in 2021, Max cost RBR 3.3 million pounds of damage, Charles cost Ferrari 3.4 million pounds of damage, and Mick 3.5 million (most of which is down to just two severe crashes). He wasn't some unprecedented outlier.
@@ihavewaited90daystochangem51 Monza anomaly aside, Vettel showed decent pace but was far from showing "monstrous" pace in the STR. Max was quick, but if you were paying attention to his time at TR, he was often ranked below Sainz. He showed flashes of brilliance like Vettel, but again, nothing that would ever be considered "monstrous pace."
@@nickthaskater thanks for confirming that you clearly didn't watch F1 back then, if you think max didn't annihilate sainz or that Vettel didn't do anything special apart from his monza win there's no hope for you.
"Mick should have a seat."
"Put him in your team?"
"Nahhhhh"
Exactly. Better have deep pockets for all the crash damage.
lol they only keep him around not just cause of his surname but cause he’s German. Other than that he serves 0 purpose. He’s not even top3 sim drivers Merc have proven by how little they put him in there now.
spot on, Toto is full of shit 🤣
He's doing great in wec, leave him be. Most of the f1 grid should move over there as well, f1 is a waste of talent with all the shit they've been doing
Colapinto paying for his driving, bortoleto signed bcs of sponsors("we dont need 2 german drivers"),doohan has contract for 5 races.only antonelly has choosen logicaly?not. Toto said : i think i want antonelly in my team and signed him.that's all.
If Schumacher had been picked for Alpine or Williams, I think we would have seen videos about how the Junior Driver Programs are broken or failing.
At least Williams sent a message that they aren’t giving up on their junior drivers just because their last one was Logan Sargeant. Williams management as a trend demonstrates a little more “humanity” than the other teams. It sounded like that was something Claire fought for when she sold the team.
@@Leith_Crowther williams management is by far one of the most cruel and inhumane management in F1, think about Latifi and Sargeant and their psychological damage sustained in Williams
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@@ConstantinGao think about the psychological damage those two gave F1 fans
@@ConstantinGao Are you trolling? Both got longer trials than their skills warranted.
When Toto touts him to anyone with a seat, but doesn't put him in a Merc, says it all.
I could point to Ocon in rebuttal, but tbh the fact that Ocon is moving to Haas speaks to your point
Toto should be putting Mick in the car for 2025. Russell is going to make Antonelli look like dogmeat in the worst way possible.
Let Antonelli win a F2 season and get some extra experience. Let Mick fight it out in a big 3 team and show his skill.
@@KiLLJoYTH-camMick won't do better than Kimi. Mick had his chance, and failed. He was basically the equivalent of Logan Sergeant with a popular name.
There's a world of difference between a potentially title contending seat and a general F1 seat.
Nah contracts are usually the cause. I'm sure Antonelli had a stipulation if there was an open seat he would get the seat.
Quick answer: He's not good enough.
Long answer: He's decent but fits much better to the wec, is crash prone, and him being 3rd fastest schumaher doesn't help
I think the final nail in the coffin was when KMag was so thoroughly exposed by Hulkenberg. It just further devalued Shumacher's performance relative to KMag in the previous year.
Agreed - the only thing he has going for him is his last name.
He isn't doing well I'm WEC either. Much slower than his team mates
@@ChrisMisMYhandle wut u expect he never racer in LMP2 machine while his other teammates does that actual not that bad just let him have time ... And why u still want be harsh on Mick even outside F1 ?.
Yeah I agree about him being the 3rd quickest Schumacher, however when Ralf won his first GP Autosport did a headline asking is he or could he better than Michael?
the fact that the two pro-schumacher arguments comes from his mom and his uncle and not from a team principal should give you all the insight you need.
being honest is better and more entretaining to have new rookies than recycled ones.
plus he is on wec and is pretty good on it
James Vowles is just very honest to the point of savagery.
All that Franco Colapinto qualifies as Williams driver is that he was in their junior program. There certainly is nothing special about him either. In the group of Colapinto, Seargent, Zhou and Doohan I dont see anyone who really deserves to be F1 driver and yet they became it. Mick has archived more than any of them (and yet didnt convince in F1). But if Vowles would be totally honest then his newest driver choice has nothing to do with merit either.
@@_Dibbler_ Yeah that's exactly what Vowles said? Schumacher isn't good enough to justify not giving an academy driver a shot
@@_Dibbler_ We have a very good body of work from Mick Schumacher. He's proven that he's not good enough for F1 based on his time there, Colapinto has not had F1 experience so it's hard to tell if he would have been successful now time will tell. Mick has PROVEN he's nothing special just like Seargent did over the past two years.
@_Dibbler_ absent the chance to develop a special driver, the best decision is to give the seat to the best guy paying the most money. Mick would have the seat if he had a better money/skill combination
@@Rasmanit So do we now randomly put anyone into F1 cars to figure out if he is good enough? I dont say Mick deserves a chance, I say Colapinto doesnt. He is one of many drivers like the ones that I listed that should never have been there in the first place. Same with Antonelli. Win F2 and F3, then we talk. I dont want more mediocre drivers in F1, I want less
Why didn't Mick talk for himself. It seems that either Ralph or Corrina are calling people out instead of Mick and that is not a good look.
I think Ralph is doing more harm tbh. If as a team principle I can avoid this guy I will. If that means not signing mick even if he was fast I'd just sign another guy lol.
That's just not his way. He's a quiet guy, but he's from F1 royalty who feel entitled.
It's the same deal with US Soccer and the Reyna family, where the kid Gio was far more mature than his parents who were demanding he was playing at the World Cup and were undermining the manager.
Most famous executives in other teams: "Haas did not treat Schumi fairly", then opportunity comes to put him in the team as an F1 driver: "Nope im not doing that", two faced people everywhere.(Toto, Helmut etc.)🤣
They're trying to get their rivals to sign a sub-par driver.
What's two faced about that?
Mick isn’t good enough to drive for top teams. Haas? Maybe. Either way, Steiner was an utter bellend towards Mick, aside from being an incompetent TP.
The two people you called out have no option for him. The other teams already have drivers they've committed to putting in those seats. By the time they realized they'd need to swap Sargeant Mercedes had already told Antonelli he was in the seat next year, so they don't have an opening, and Red Bull has 5 drivers for 4 seats, the last thing they need is a 6th.
@@michaeldellorso889 good enough for Haas ??? Wtf did you not watch him at all ..smh
As James Vowles rightly pointed out, Mick Schumacher is not special. Just because he is a Schumacher doesn’t mean he’s automatically granted a seat, as some of his fans seem to believe. Mick has already been in Formula 1 and simply wasn’t very good, and that’s okay
There are other motorsports where he can excel at
Mick Schumacher is like Bruce Lee's relative Chin from Hong Kong 97
Well unless you are Stroll
Schumachers mom said you need to apologize or else
Ralf's husband says apologize or else
@@dhruvbhardwaj7020 He has money. Big difference
If his name wasn't Schumacher, people would've already forgotten him, like they forgot Vandoorne, De Vries, Ericsson, Kubica, Nasr, Wehrlein, Hartley, Giovinazzi, or Kvyat.
Kubica wasn't forgotten, and was an entirely different situation due to injury
Robert was and is mega. We won’t forget someone that won in BMW sauber or does well in WEC either.
@@lonyo5377 I meant in regards to getting back to Formula 1 after 2019 season. One bad season in the worst car ever, and nobody considered him ever again.
Kubica was fast af. He was just never the same after his near death crash
@@steelin666Kubica was never really pushed out. Even after the accident, teams continuously asked him to run sim work and testing as he is one of the best at providing feedback. Even still that happens but he is busy with the amount of other racing he does.
He's decent, but so are a lot of drivers.
There are only 20 seats and he isn't the only one fighting for one. Many are younger, have more potential upside or have achieved more prior to F1. Hard to see anyone picking him up when his most attractive trait is his last name.
Tbf i do think Williams should've given Mick the seat for 2023 and let Logan stay in F2 another year and grow as a driver. It would have been a new shot for Mick to show if he's improved in a more rookie friendly team so to speak. I do genuinely think that a major reason to why Mick didnt get a seat was because of him being crash prone, and someone like Zhou bringing in way to much money for Sauber to consider removing him. Mick has decent pace honestly, but not enough to be a special driver in the sport, a soild midfield driver at best imo
The whole 8,5 minute video could be condensed into:
"He lacks pace, is accident prone, and teams have their own junior teams to prioritize."
Mick doesn't lack pace, nor does he lack consistency when it comes to level of performance. Being accident prone led to his demise.
Two years of opportunity is a privilege to any rookie in F1. De Vries had only 10 races, and then he had to go because he couldn't perform well.
Yet recently we’ve seen far worse drivers get seats for years….
Toro rosso was kind of better than haas
Baermen shm gets a seat while not being in top 10 f2. Come on
@@lemmyboy4107 In F2 or F3 just like in F1, teams matter more than drivers, that's how you get drivers that are horrible like Schumacher to win F2, by giving them the best team, meanwhile other drivers (Colapinto, Antonelli, Borboleto and Bearman) have to drive for less competent teams.
@@pauloaz496 But their behind their teammates...
It’s as simple as saying he had his chance and blew it. Not more complex than that
Mazepin had a lower cost to team, didn't always crash when spinning.
harsh but fact
Why F1 media keeps pushing Mick Schumacher
legacy media.
His last name mostly
Because his dad is by far the greatest F1 driver ever.
Mick is mid as fuck tho so he doesn‘t belong in F1.
@@Dale_Earnhardts_Mustachethere was the same push for Nyck De Vries and Hulkenberg when they were out of F1, Nyck showed he can't handle the pressure, but we haven't seen enough of Mick, yes he was crash prone, but head to head he was ahead of Magnussen both in Races and Qualifying, he could use another shot at not a garbage team like Haas.
And Toto. Seriously, Toto talks like Mick is the greatest driver ever and the teams are missing out by not hiring him yet he hired Antonelli over Mick.
Williams had their 2025 lineup complete, for the remaining of the year they needed a driver who doesn't crash their cars like Sargeant did, and Mick had destroyed many cars before without showing potential. And they opted to give a chance to a driver of their own academy, that's why Colapinto was selected. Anyway, Williams didn't need to hire Schumacher, he wasn't one of their drivers. Mick is a reserve driver from Mercedes and drives for Alpine in WECC, and neither one of them chose him despite having available seats. So, why should any other team would? The only option is Sauber/Audi, but they would renew Bottas or promote Bortoleto.
"In F1, what matters is performance"
Meawhile Perez, Stroll and Zhou still have a seat.
True, but it doesn't mean we need any more.
Zhou will most likely lose his seat at the end of the season I think
Zhou and Perez are already on thin ice.
Schumacher in the Mercedes would comfortably beat half the field.
Russell will ROFLstomp Antonelli next year
Money makes the world go round. Perez is backed by the richest man in Mexico. Strolls dad is the billionaire owner of the team he drives for and Zhou is a pay to play driver backed by a shed load of money in China.
Because Mick is not Michael, no matter how much some people wish he was. He just isn't.
He is not Michael but he is not even Ralf either. Like some other comment said he is the 3rd fastest Schumacher.
Why are we even still talking about mick? He had his shot. He really bungled it. He can get a seat in any other motor sport, but not F1.
I'm going to at least give Mick props for trying to realize his dream. We'll see if he can make the cut.
We've already seen - he didn't.
@@Thermalions A man is not finished when he is defeated, he is finished when he quits.
@@Thermalions he had a year in an undrivable car and after that 1 year break of racing he at least matched Magnussen for most of the season.
Noone is claiming he will win loads of titles, but neither will Zhou, Tsunoda, Stroll or Hulkenberg. Same for Perez, Bottas and a couple of other drivers on the current grid to be honest.
Really feel for him, having his dad as his dad and an uncle who succeeded musta piled pressure on, but fair enough, not cutting it in F1 isn't a terrible thing, he's doing good in WEC and maybe he can win championships with a better team over there
His biggest asset is his last name. That should be enough explanation for anyone.
No more of a hinderance than anything.
@@rishinarang9966 Absolutely not, had his last name not been what it is he would have never had the two seasons in formula 1, so many drivers have similar CVs to him and never got their chance let alone two
@@Issam-od4pg His last name also means he's compared against one of the most successful drivers in history and his uncle who was no slouch either. Two sides of the same coin. Sure doors would've been opened for him, but those doors would also come with higher expectations.
Without his last name, we wouldn't even have this video
His big name never helped him a great deal, just a two year ride at a shitty team.
As the saying goes, "you're only as good as your last race". Success in lower series serves only to get you a shot in F1, in which he succeeded but, once there, you have to prove yourself. He had his shot and failed to impress and that's the end of it.
He's talented but his place could not in F1.
Just like De Vries.
He could be more succcesfull in WEC or Formula E.
Exactly, de Vries is currently second in Wec.
@@corneliusbotha369I think de vries was underrated, first half of season Danny received a similar battering from Yuki.
@@corneliusbotha369 De Vries drove really well when WEC was at COTA last week. It was quite unlucky his car didn't win!
@@HammerHeart3229 We will see at Fuji this week; Toyota will definitely want to win their home race.
@@corneliusbotha369 Absolutely! I'll be keen to see how BMW and Alpine get on this weekend too. Both the BMW's were quick at COTA and the #35 Alpine had a great race too. It'll be interesting to see if their speed carries over to Fuji!
I don't get people who say he was treated unfairly, anyone with a different name would've been treated the same and nobody would've batted an eyelid dude just wasn't good enough
But the point is, that he was set impossible standards and expectations because of his surname. I think people really expected him to be Michael 2.0...anything less than that and "he doesn't deserve to be here".
Yet it was his sir name which worked against him. He had a slow start in 22 but was bettering Kmag at the end to Steiners dislike! Mick won the F2 in such a mature manner, he had a lot more talent than at least 5 current F1 drivers. He just needed some support not an ego maniac team principle.
Tbf he wasnt treated well in Haas, even Steiner admitted that he was way to harsh on Mick. But Mick also didnt help his case by having massive shunts costing Haas alot of money before they got the moneygraam deal. It makes sense as to why Haas let Mick go, but i'm not sure they gave him a fair shot either
Dude Zhou still is in f1??
@@lacko623 nope, crashing a lot and costing a lot of money to his team for two seasons while only scoring points twice was the reason everyone said "He doesn't deserve to be here"
It's funny how toto wanted him in Williams but never thought to put him in the merc seat.
How is that the same thing?
Wanting him in Williams would be a way to see how he does, to see if maybe he is able to show that he has what it takes, in a low pressure environment without any risk to Mercedes.
Giving him a Mercedes seat is doing all of that with the risk and would mean delaying Antonelli who he obviously thinks is ready.
That made sense though. it doesnt matter how much Toto likes Mick, Antonelli is simply a bigger talent. And sidelining a talent like that will almost never work out, as we saw with Oscar and how Toto lost Max for example. He'd never be able to sleep well again if he made that mistake twice
@@JulmustensV8 well we will see if antonelli is actually a bigger talent. Guy has yet to win anything outside the junior series. Its not like the guy is dominating F2 right now. He had a few decent races and surely has pace, but that can be said about many others and Mick at least won F2.
His name likely got him through the door, but it didn’t keep him there. Drive to survive.
😂 Won the F2 champ. I’m guessing you’re a fan of that show which says all you need to know
"we don't allow nepotism in f1"
stroll:
Mick is doing well in endurance. Some f1 drives shine better in other categories
but mick aint no F1 driver lmfao
At this stage, he might as well maintain his reserve role and continue on his WEC career. Use that as the stepping stone to show that he’s grown. If he doesn’t go back on the grid, he can bring the Schumacher name to another discipline
Imagine how ridiculous it would be if F1 media were churning out "Why F1 Won't Give Nyck de Vries Another Chance" "Does de Vries Have a Shot at a 2025 Seat?" "Ten Reasons Why a de Vries Comeback is a Possibility" pieces. That's what this is.
And bear in mind that De Vries, deserving or not, had less than a half a season of opportunity, yet Mick had 2 full seasons.
Exactly.
@@espvp You can tell people who give a fair assessment or just dislike Mick for his surname by checking if they consider the first season an "opportunity" lol.
Mick was basically doing test drives learning how to react to blue flags in the first season in a Haas car that was no longer developed and was already the slowed before they stopped developing it.
It was more of a 1 year pause of actual racing than an opportunity. He shoulda done it like Piastri instead of driving for a third rate team like Haas that refused to develop their car.
simple as that, age and sponsor
The thing with Schumacher-Magnussen was that he was catching him as the season was ending. He was learning fast. Given more time/1 more season, he probably would’ve passed KMag.
At a cost of how many chassis?
@@Thermalions wdym? he never crashed the chassis when things were finally turning around for him
Btw would just like to add that Mick actually won the head to head in races vs KMag except in points. Reason for that is the first race where Magnussen did race brilliantly giving him the bulk of the points difference (P5, +10 points). Other than that, they were pretty match that season.
I mean he already was better towards the end of the season. The only reason there was a point difference was the first race.
And when Mick was going for solid points he got kinda fucked. He e.g. got floor damage from Stroll putting Alonso into the wall when he was about to finish maybe P7 and there were a few similar issues.
Team sold him out one race as well letting him run on the wets when it was already dry instead of bringing him in for inters instantly, which you would expect a back of the grid team to do lmao. Instead they were like "oh we have been sleeping now we have to hope for a safety car lul"
being quicker than kmag in what wouldve been his third season is not exactly a sign of greatness either.
Mick outperformed kmag in 2022 for the majority of the season, but thats often missed because the car was no longer competitive enough to score points when mick was finishing ahead of him more often than not. I also find it difficult to think that mick would uave ever gotten a race ban. He wasn't given a fair shake and ill continue to stand by that
This went over the heads of many! Going from the 21 car to 22 car clearly affected Mick but he did adapt. Kmag had nothing to lose and has a lot more confidence than Mick but ultimately Muck bettered him towards the end. Steiner was having spats with Micks family which is ultimately why he wanted him gone.
@@WeirdBrickSteiner the snake
Steiner the rat.
low IQ F1 fans tend to check the wiki page and go like "But Kmag hat double the points"
Yeah bro and basically all of them from a single race lol.. You can tell most of them havent watched the races or at least only remember what happened at the front.
What part of "he only got a drive in F1 because of his dad?" you don't understand?
As for Colapinto, he scored more points in two F1 races than Sargeant in his full year and a half, so his choice is more than justified.
He was the same thing that Logan offered, a decent driver, not super fast and prone to crashes.
Logan never won F2
The difference is that unlike Logan, he was able to score points.
Way better than Logan
@@lacko623 The Haas was faster than the current Williams. Even Alex can only score a few points
I think Mick is a bit better than Logan.
“In F1 performance is all that matters”
Checo’s financial backers would like a word
It's incredible how many people pushing for Perez to get that Red Bull seat in 2020 after so many years stuck in the midfield, now suddenly believe he isn't F1 worthy at all
He placed 2nd last season..
@@AttilatheThrilla He had less than 50% of the points his teammate had though...
@@konstantinosbouramas5941 people back then really being blinded by perez's performance in basically pink mercedes
After his form this year I definitely think Checo needs to be replaced next year, however this year is seems like more than him the RB20 has been an absolute mess and that was concealed by Max hustling that car to the best of his ability. Now that even Max can't drive it anymore there is almost no point in putting someone else in the second seat for this year. Also Checo's drive yesterday was decent so if maybe just maybe he can replicate it for the rest of the season he can maybe make a case for himself in the future. But his loss of form is very much the reason Red Bull is losing the constructors and if they just decide to keep him without any performances to show then it's an absolute joke.
And the way his dear uncle Ralf kept talking trash in a bid to boost him up isn’t helping the situation at all.
Your right Ralf screws up everything
Makes you wish even more that his dad was still around to manage him properly.
Now his family becomes the biggest burden in his life😅
That is so true. If we are to believe uncle Ralf, then Mick should be world champion many times over. In ucle Ralf's mind he is the best and should be on the grid.
Given Toto basicly said that Shcumacher is family and didn't promote him for next season tells me and the workd what Vowells has said is true. He is good, but we want more than good.
@@rossdark713 Amen brother!
If only Michael was around... Mick would've had more support and could've learned more from one of the greatest to ever do it. Hope you're doing well, Michael.
he's dead as a fish
@@Lora_Beolab goddam
hes a VEGETABLE MAN, why do you think we've never heard from him
Mick has almost infinite support, having daddy there wouldn't make him less likely to yeet himself into the barriers at the back of the pack
@@Lora_Beolab seriously what is wrong with you people the guy is a legend of the sport who's outside the track a wonderful person yet you mock his unfortunates like you are watching a comedy skit. Try growing as a human being rather than being a wannabe ironic humorist
At least he gets considered, cant say the same for Drugovich whos name doesnt even get mentioned in any of the driver openings as a contender. Why?
Teams wanting an experienced hand at crashing
LOL
Merc just bought one. ….😂😂😂 according to Toto… it’s all good!
@rusm5710 brilliant comeback reply. 😂
He’s improved in the WEC but clearly hasn’t been stronger than his teammates. It’s not like he’s a brilliant talent of some kind
I mean he pretty much has the fastest lap of the three every WEC race no? Of course its hard to compare conditions in WEC because weather and temps and tires and fuel loads change a lot, but still he seemed to carry their team in WEC, especially on their most recent podium
@@LunnarisLP the fastest lap doesn’t matter. Consistent laptimes and good tyre management is important, and Mick still has to improve in that regard (as well as being cleaner on track). His final stint at Fuji was strong though, I will give him that
Honestly, I would have liked to seen Mick race for Mercedes for one year just to give Kimi another year to develop in F2 before getting into the seat.
It would have been no more excuses for Schumacher to perform and truly show his ability in a top tier seat.
Are you sure that Bottas is the frontrunner for the remaining Sauber seat? They've already got an experienced set of hands in Hulkenberg, and Mattia Binotto had been seen talking to Gabriel Bortoleto (and his manager, none other than Fernando Alonso) at Monza. Bortoleto has been storming the crap out of F2 and is very close to the title. Would be nice to see another young talent on the grid next year.
Schumacher was never confident in the HAAS car, he was often "over"-driving the car to make time, but the understeery nature of the car didn't fit his style. However Kmag liked that. The latest HAAS is more oversteery, I'd argue Schumacher could be slightly faster than Kmag in that car.
Just do either Formula E or WEC and be great there. No shame in not getting a return in F1.
Plenty of talented drivers to test yourself against and big teams & manufacturers to be a part of in those respective series'
A lot of opportunities to jump into a seat if an underperforming driver gets cut part way through next season.
To be fair, alpine may have not told mick they went with jack because their standard protocol is to do the opposite of what is considered best practices.
I might have missed something but did they really need to tell him? Like was there anything more than just "O he races for them in WEC and there are rumours"? Because then I don't think they have any reason to specifically tell him, that would come in if there were proper talks, not just rumours.
@@DeathBlocks I mean they were both testing for them, shooting him a quick mail wouldnt be asked to much or maybe a quick call instead of having him learn about being rejected on the media. Its like ghosting someone you have been dating.
I mean sure you down owe the other person anything, but if you have some human decency you should probably just tell them you are not interested..
@@LunnarisLP not sure why I didn't think of that part. I agree with you there. Like maybe if they had a ton of people testing and some other things but yeah in this case it does sound like a quick call/mail was in order.
simply not enough seats on the grid - there should be 24-30 seats, not 20 - this enables "maybe" drivers such as Mick and others to be given a fair chance to prove themselves where it counts
you forget he's not that fast
24-30 would make for a lot of backmarkers
Why not make F2 a true companion series to F1 with similar cars and no ban on the champion returning? It works for NASCAR where the second series is very similar to the main series. Instant 45+ seats.
@@TassieLorenzo F2 is a junior category. Its never been the idea that there is a 2nd tier Formula, or at least not since decades. If it was young drivers would even be stuck in F3 which doesnt make the problem any better. There are enough mediocre drivers in F1. Mick would just be another one. Anyone who believes his talent has not been seen can go to Indycar and come back if they manage to dominate there
This would be dangerous for sure.
He had his chance and was not only slow but kept crashing, there also so many amazing young talent coming through who are a much better option such as Colopinto and Bearman
Mick won the F2 championship (LeClerc, Russell, Piastri, DeVries to name a few) and then went into the worst garbage team in F1...HAAS. I think there would be a different story going on had he gone to a real team with good leadership and a great car. But that's how it goes. Mick will be fine and continue racing in WEC and maybe another formula after.
Mick should focus on WEC. He wins races etc. He has a talent for WEC that he doesnt want to admit and Alpine is begging him to continue
Am I the only one watching the seasons he raced? He seems like a nice guy but he didn't impress us in f1 due to the amount of crashes and slow pace. I don't get why there are so many videos about it. (Other than his father being a great driver).
The views and interaction they get... this video has over 180k views in 16 hours, look at the other recent videos and their views over a couple of days.
He wasn't actually slowa like wtf bro was very fast just pushed the limits to much and was therefore crash prone
I’m still shocked that James had to apologise and he legit seems like the nicest leader of any team and he will always think about something before answering it over and over again
There are a few recent F2 champions who love to have a change like Mick.
And the perverse situation where the bloke moaning about people rejecting him, has been rejecting him for years. Toto could have given him a drive years ago, but decided to keep putting him on the sideline.
Except Mercedes is a top team which Mick just doesn’t deserve.
But it’s more arguable he deserves a midfield or backmarker team. He’s significantly better than Zhou, Sergeant, De Vries. And Tsunoda couldn’t match him in F2 and was getting whooped by Gasly for 2 seasons.
So I think Mick is slightly better than Tsunoda.
Being in the worst car kills your career, its obvious.
Alonso did great with Minardi.
Mick is just dogshit, f1 destructor champion for a reason
"hello Mick, its James...."
There's no current 'supersubs' in the F1 sphere. That meaning ex-F1 drivers who are ready to step in at a moment's notice, the last one being Nico Hulkenberg who did it from 2020-2022. Mick Schumacher has the perfect opportunity to be that, but the number 1 quality that a 'supersub' needs is to be a safe pair of hands, and Mick has a reputation of being a crasher. He can only blame himself
Mick was the better driver in the second half of 2022 against magnussen. He deserves one more chance imo
One thing that doesn’t get enough air is just how badly Haas let Mick down, he was on for points in numerous races until he was given strange strategy calls or 10 second pit stops
because he isn't special.
The feeder series are pumping out good drivers and drivers are racing for until they are much older .
It would be good to see him fill in for a race in the Mercedes to see where he is.
He could get the saber seat if they had a insane amount of money to bring
He's got the curse of the Schumacher name.
Poor guy. He had it all since he was a kid to be a race driver and a great marketing value in his name to be in F1. He did not cut it, so be it.
All but the extreme talent of his dad.
I think he should make a name of his own in other racing series instead being his dads shadow
Okay, Vowles says the Schuhmacher is only good. What is Sargeant then? 🤨
Fired, I guess?
@@zippo5294the American Latifi
Feel bad just cuz he keeps getting brought up.
I remember someone on X was like “he only had two seasons”….. which consisted of 47 races lol
Because he always took too much time to get up to speed in the junior categories, isn't particularly young, is prone to writing off the car & seemingly brings mediocre financial backing despite his last name.
Giovinazzi has more experience in F1, more points and a better points average per race in a similarly shit car, has won races in WEC as opposed to Schumi Jr - and yet there aren't any videos about why he wasn't chosen for this or that vacant seat. I wonder why?
won WEC with a ferrari and you are comparing alfa Romeo with hass ??? DTS fan ?
Although Magnussen had way more points than Mick, he didn't out right demolish him, Mick was better of the two in the latter part of the season where Haas wasn't anymore that compatitive
you need to remember that mick was dropped after being dropped from Ferrari driver academy 2022 if mick was any good ferrari would have made him 3rd driver
The problem is then that Hulkenberg was immediately MUCH faster than Magnussen. So being even with Magnussen is not good enough. Magnussen is dropped from F1 too after all. Take the Sauber drive, Schumacher is in competition not only with fellow youngster Gabriele Bortoleto but also veteran Valterri Bottas who is still fairly fast. Is Schumacher the better choice than Bortoleto or Bottas?
Vowles got it nailed on with his assesment on Schumi.
Mick has about as good a CV as Nick de Vries or Stoffel Vandoorne, yet German media still portraits him as the next coming of his dad and absolutely deserving of a seat in F1...
Nonsense, the german media is just reporting on him a lot since he's german, but they're not portraying him like he's Michael 2.0, not even close. In fact most german "fans" of the sport love to hate him and that's reflected in the reporting.
@adriansterling1442 "Everyone in F1 has a good CV' Zhou's CV is quite mediocre. Ironically Kobayashi's CV was mediocre too, yet Kamui was a solid F1 driver (good at racing, not so good at qualifying, the opposite of the other Toyota driver Jarno Trulli).
@@iliketoast-q9b and that's the true dick move. I can imagine that when he joined the grid, he was expected to be his father's mirror image. But once he's shown to be anything less, then the hate started. Just let the poor guy be himself...
German media is not portraying him as a Michael 2.0 at all….. that’s simply a wrong statement. It is exactly the opposite in fact
No way, Vandoornes junior career was top level. No one has dominated GP2 like he did. Always found it strange how he struggled so much in F1
Should easily deserve a seat ahead of drivers like Perez, Stroll, Zhou etc.
he beat magnussen in race H2H, it is 10 - 6 in favor of mick
Do you count the black and orange flags that Magnussen kept getting unfairly?
Very very good. Now make a video about why F1 keeps rejecting Nicolas Latifi, Mazepin, Van Doorne, Nyck De Vries etc? We simply cant understand why F1 is doing this to these world champions in waiting...
Latifi was good though
Mediocre driver + High repair bills dont mix well.
I am sure many teams would have given him another chance if he didnt crash that often.
The stopwatch doesn't lie
No matter how good your CV may be, you're always going to be easy to pass for someone else when you crash a lot with not much in return. It's no different than with Logan. Crashes cost money and development time. Teams can always give him a chance, but you can say that for every young driver now who is in the sidelines.
That's unfair, without Mick Haas wouldn't have been P8 in the constructors and he scored a few times, outpaced Magnussen in the races 13/7 iirc. A good team principal would have recognized that and not lambasted his own driver in the media for an entire season.
@@iliketoast-q9b Just because a driver scored you points doesn't mean they're free from criticism. Those points came at the cost of multiple big crashes prior that probably would have cost the team a good chunk of what they gained from finishing ahead AlphaTauri, and that's in an era when the cost cap is a thing.
And this was pre-Moneygram Haas here that just lost Uralkali as a title sponsor. I don't blame anyone for being more cash-conscious at this point instead of just looking at who finishes ahead. It's all well in good to finish higher for Constructors' money, but it's better that your drivers don't wreck the car completely, something Mick wasn't able to avoid. And points ultimately matter in F1 where KMag was the one that finished higher. He took advantage of Haas' early season form, Mick didn't.
@@dustinabigan2776 Of course some criticism was warranted, but that doesn't mean it's a smart move to tell the media about it. It's unprofessional and more importantly destructive to driver morale. Steiner didn't even stop when Mick scored twice in a row.
This sport requires peak performance and that also includes the team principal, something which Steiner obviously failed to deliver.
When the Haas mechanics managed to misalign Mick's front axle so badly he had to steer left to go straight during the Silverstone quali, it was clear to me there is more going on behind the scenes we don't know about. Crashing is to be expected from a rookie, but it seemed that Haas also wasn't giving Mick their A-game when it came to setup and preparation. Magnussen just got lucky in the 2022 season if you ask me. Last year him and Hulk matched Mick's 12 points, combined.
@@iliketoast-q9b We're talking about Mick here, not Steiner. Just because I'm criticizing Mick doesn't mean I'm saying the team principal is free from wrongdoing. The fact Haas hasn't went up much since 2021 despite throwing everything into 2022 shows that. A team principal needs to be behind their driver, but in the cases where a team principal doesn't believe in you and you let that affect your performance, sorry but you're not cut out for F1 if you let that get in your head. Everyone needs to be delivering in this sport as you said, but both Mick and Steiner weren't doing that. That's why both were removed at one point or another.
And what's with bringing up Silverstone and all the speculation? You said it yourself there's stuff you don't know, so focus on the facts here unless you want to accuse Haas of deliberately sabotaging Mick's car all year, which of course anyone with common sense knows they will not knowingly do because it also hurts their chance at points overall.
And while there may be some luck to KMag getting points, the fact is that he got the points and took advantage of the situation. That's what scoring points in F1 is about by being at the right place at the right time. KMag in 2023 and 2024 isn't the KMag in 2022. At this point it's fair that he's now the one getting kicked from Haas. But we're talking about 2022 here, not 2023 or 2024, and the plain and simple situation is KMag at the time was delivering way more in exchange for less cost compared to Mick. KMag had about half a million in crash damage or $20K per point. Mick did nearly 4 million in crash damage or about $330K per point. Enough said with crash damage compared to performance.
@@iliketoast-q9bBut K-Mag scored double the points and he’s hardly a superstar. So, it makes no sense saying Haas owe P8 to Mick.
Mick struggled at the beginning of 22 with the new cars but was clearly faster than KMag from the middle of the season. The Haas just was not competitive as at the beginning of 22 anymore. I think Mick is still a good driver who brings in a great image, a lot of sponsorship money and attention and who can be very good with the right support. But I also think his ship might have sailed. It kind of was bad luck. Franz Tost would have hired him in 23 but Marko said no. It wasn`t meant to be
Michael's accident is even more tragic that not only did it seal his own fate but also Mick's because Mick was 15 when Michael had that accident, so he lost out on so much racing knowledge throughout all the junior categories and even more so in F1. And plus there is no way in hell Haas would have treated him the way they did in 2021 or 2022 had a Michael Schumacher been sitting there in the negotiations and roaming around the team at every race. It's just such a double tragedy and as a German myself, everytime I think about it, I'm absolutely heartbroken
As a German, I can comfortably say I want to see him in F1. That two years with Haas were painful to watch. I think he handled himself well, even though the pressure from KMAG must have been tough. I also believe the first year at Haas did not do anyone any favours.
Of course, there is no guarantee that he is even capable of performing the way his dad did. Yet he has proven that he can win championships in other categories.
My feeling is, that by constantly bringing up his name, various parties (Ralf Schumacher, German Media, Wolff, Marko etc.) are achieving the exact opposite of what they want.
The comments by Vowles actually reflected the overall sentiment. Schumacher is good, but not special. For any other driver, that would be good enough. You can win championships through work ethic. You can become special. He is young enough to have that moment. There are enough F1 drivers who fit that description.
But by constantly trying to portray him as someone he is not, his uncle, German Media etc are creating a disconnect from reality (even though they mean well).
I do believe Mick will get his chance. And I do believe it will come when people stop trying to hype him up in order to help him (or to profit from it).
While I agree with you (and yes, I am partial because I was a fan of his dads and a fan of him too), sadly, I'm not so hopeful that he'll ever get another chance just seeing recent events.
Personally, I'm well aware, that he's not his father and I never expected him to be world champion with a HAAS. But I'd still rather him have at least a decent career and bowing out on his own terms rather than being unceremoneously booted from the sport.
Plus, it was a bit shocking that Sargeant got another chance with Williams after his nothingburger performance in 2023, while Mick was outed despite his two points finishes and an overall decent pace.
Mick's era in F3 and F2 had no real talents, look even Mazepin fighted for the F2 title, Mick is so overrated that he only won TWO F2 races in 40-50 races, guys like Russell, Lerclerc won ++5 races in their ROOKIE seasons
I really wanted Mick to do well in F1. What a story that would have been. But he's not F1 material. He's a lovely chap and I hope he has a great career in WEC or Indy Car
Schumacher needs a team that believes in him.
And a team with unlimited budget for repairs
He needs to give teams a reason to believe in him
Not even Toto really believes in him, and he is Mick’s biggest cheerleader in the paddock. Toto isn’t giving Mick a seat next year. Hmm, I wonder why. Maybe because Mick isn’t special.
yeah...................... what team????????????????????? Xd
Remember Andretti? It's the same case (possibly)
Had Alfa Romeo chosen Mick Schumacher over Antonio Giovinazzi for 2021 the story may have been different...
Damn, I didn’t think about that? You have a very valid point, maybe the car would have even suited his style more too. Pity.
@@lazlo2511 The car was more similar to the Ferrari in terms of spec whom Mick was testing with frequently at the time and had Fred Vasseur as the principal at the time, who was the former team principal of ART (an F2 team), so he would also have that the advantage of having a principal who had experience of working with junior drivers
It’s crazy when you think about it really, I’d say both Sargent and Latifi were worse, but I don’t know if he was good enough, especially considering Kmags current form.
And I quote Newey:
“From the outside I’m not sure people fully appreciate and understand Max, just like they didn’t with Sebastian,” Newey told High Performance. “Because first of all, there’s a sort of demonisation that both of them suffered at times which I think’s very unfair.
“Maybe that’s also a little bit of the British media, if I’m honest, Sky have a huge influence around the world, their viewing is truly international but their coverage is quite nationalistic, dare I say, and that can have an influence.”
I was wondering, maybe The Race want to add something to this??
Mick might be the worst f1 driver so far. He can’t drive any car you give him. Getting rejected by HAAS and alpine says it all. Also he was a reserve driver for Mercedes for 2 years now but he didn’t get the seat for next season that says it all. People only like him because his father was a legend.
You can win f4, f3 and f2… step into a dysfunctional haas team and all of a sudden you’re losing out to people running 6th place in lower championships
Toto wants Mick in F1 so bad but wouldn’t give him the seat he had final say on 🤣🤣
The WEC series would not only help build his stamina but also teach Mick how to take more care of not crashing since he has to share it with 2 other drivers.
Mick wasn’t in the right team environment to develop himself as a F1 driver. It’s Ferrari academy fault. He should have been in the Alfa Romeo like Charles.
Mick almost single-handedly destroy the Ferrari academy of his generation lol
Did they still have the control over an Alfa seat in 2021? I agree he should rather have been there but I don't think they had the thing of having control over one of the seats then so not like they could force him in.
He still has a great career as average touring car driver ahead of him. Won't risk that for F1.
I do believe a lot of people just enjoy bashing Mick, has he had poor performances, yes but I think people need to understand that Mick is human, and should be treated as such
Also I can promise you, the moment that Kimi or Jack underperform in 2025, people will rip them apart
Oliver enters the chat.
He's being faulted for not being a sledgehammer as his father was.
And the F1 community seems on the hunt for bashing gratuitiously drivers lately.
@@fleursbruyantes4177 We will see this weekend.
Yeah it's a tricky one, had he been better placed in F1 had his dad didn't have that nasty skiing accident? or could Ralf had looked after him a bit better? what I mean is I think it would have helped him had he gone to Alfa Romeo back in the day and given him some support from Ferrari, it's also tricky because unlike when his Great father raced testing was unlimited and that would have helped him more too.
Steiner 100% fucked Mick over in that Haas and that is also the reason why Mick didn't improve during that 2 year period, which lead to Mick losing out on experience and knowledge when time came to test for Alpine.
Go cry me a river, formula 1 is the pinnacle of motorsports,If Mick was decent enough he would be driving a Mercedes next year, the only thing Mick has to offer is his last name and apparently his name is not even good enough to get him a sit
I would recommend Schumacher a Season in the IndyCar series.
Maybe He can prove himself in this series and Show that He is capable of winning races and beeing competitve to get a Seat in F1.
Or If Not, He can Just stay in Indy. Thats Not so Bad too
People calling him crash-prone really don't remember what early Vettel and Verstappen were like prior to their successes. It didn't help that Mick was driving a fucking tractor. Antonelli binned it on his first lap in F1...
Yup that was before budget caps now teams can’t afford drivers that crash.
You're forgetting the part where Vettel and verstappen were showing monstrous pace when they weren't crashing.
@@Meeko2689 in 2021, Max cost RBR 3.3 million pounds of damage, Charles cost Ferrari 3.4 million pounds of damage, and Mick 3.5 million (most of which is down to just two severe crashes). He wasn't some unprecedented outlier.
@@ihavewaited90daystochangem51 Monza anomaly aside, Vettel showed decent pace but was far from showing "monstrous" pace in the STR. Max was quick, but if you were paying attention to his time at TR, he was often ranked below Sainz. He showed flashes of brilliance like Vettel, but again, nothing that would ever be considered "monstrous pace."
@@nickthaskater thanks for confirming that you clearly didn't watch F1 back then, if you think max didn't annihilate sainz or that Vettel didn't do anything special apart from his monza win there's no hope for you.
8:04 Stroll: hold by beer.
I'm so sick of this narrative, he had his chance in F1 and he wasn't good enough.