Giving players an increased reward for blocking and more risk/reward through Offsets on weapons with traditionally no defense/evasion boosts is brilliant.
But it's implementation right now looks to be broken. This looks more to be medium risk big reward. Focusing on making hunters more and more brawny just takes the immersion away for me.
One thing to not with offset attacks is that they work the same way clashes work in that there is a hidden bar that fills up when you time offset attacks correctly. When filled it triggers an offset, sending the monster flying away. This means that not every offset attack will result in toppling the monster, even when timed correctly and performed against the correct monster attack. As an example see the Hunting horn offset attacking Rey Dau in 0:52 . He lands the attack, but Rey Dau is still standing afterwards.
This is a damn good incentive to give Greatsword and Sword & Shield users a reason to guard with the weapon. The offset looks damn powerful, I wonder if it will be usable on enraged monsters ?
LBG doesn't have an offset but while the rapid fire mode is active you can fire while dodging, and it seems to have an auto reload if you dodge after the last shot in a magazine so it does maintain some level of offense while dodging, as long as you're able to maintain the rapid fire mode
I think this mechanic is awesome as a Lance main, specifically perfect guards. What I don’t like is how broken it seems to be. The fact that Greatsword and Sword and Shield have the ability to block massive monster attacks with basically no downside really takes away from the Lance’s identity. At least Lance and Gunlance get to cancel endlag with Guard now instead of just the hops
I think only specific moves can lead to guard clash so they will likely be majority of the monster kit that the land can display its mastery in guarding as it should naturally have less stamina cost and push back when guarding.
They could also add skills exclusive to a weapon type like frontiers reflect (which made an undertuned appearance in sunbreak and was lance only), but it only works for lance and it functions on perfect guards or something. With offensive decos being in weapons and weapons having armor skills built in, I could definitely see them improving upon weapon specific skills to improve the weapons playstyle and identity.
Adept gs was by far my most played weapon/style combo in GU, and though it's not quite the same in wilds, I'm enjoying the new options gs has other than just charging and shoulder bashing. It wont beat out HH and lance, but it'll definitely be a strong third for me.
I feel like it would make sense for Charge Blade to have an offset attack in axe mode, but I'm not really sure what it would be. Basic AED maybe? I feel like we may not know for a while, since most gameplay footage we get before the demo goes public probably isn't gonna have too many CB players. The weapon's high knowledge floor coupled with all the game's new systems make it an unappealing choice for people who only get like an hour of gameplay.
@@Massakre8492nd We'll see how the endgame is balanced. I fear weapon like IG and DB (I think DB also doesn't have either kind of attack, might be wrong) wont be able to keep up in dmg with the other (DB might actually becuase its always king of Elemental dmg) because there's less knockdowns becuase of no offset/clash attack but we'll see. If a weapon with that kind of attack can only get 1 in per hunt it's whatever, but if a offset attack weapon can do it 3 times then it's going to be a lot of missed out on DMG for IG, a single attack wont make up for it.
I think weirdly enough having these additions to other weapons will help better solidify the identity of the insect glaive. Giving other weapons rewards for doing their job means that if they stay in their lane, insect glaive will get all the mounts. So each weapon now has something powerful they can do without taking anyone else’s place.
@@roddyrobinson8387 This would have been the case if they didn't take away half of insect glaives identity by neutering their aerial combat, but instead expanded on it like how Sunbreak did with kinsect slash, which afaik is not in Wilds but feel free to correct me. The way I described how most of us feel to my friend who mains charge blade is "Imagine if they took away your axe mode completely"
DUDE IT SHOULD TOTALLY HAVE ON THE VAULT I haven’t thought abt that, it’d be so perfect. They spent zero time on IG the players that cal that weapon home (me including) are just sobbing while watching all the other kids run around wit their new cool shit
You load this mortar shell thing into your barrel (it was shown in the trailer) and it can be held/charged. You can just use it like a regular melee range explosion attack, but to get the actual Offset counter you have to let the button go right when a monster attack would've made contact
1. Perfect guards dont take less chip damage and knock back. They take no chip damage or knock back (at least on the first hit) 2. Devs: "we dont want to give each weapon a counter" Also Devs: *proceeds to give almost all weapons a counter* 3. As some others have pointed out allready. With every weapon being able to counter, Lance kinda just becomes worth less (not worthless) picking over other weapons, with offsets and espeacially adept dodges being aruably better than perfect guard. Not saying that other weapons cant have counters, but they obviosly spent a lot of time reworking lances counter system but didnt bother giving it something flashy like corckscrew jab. And dont give me that crap about normal blocking. Lance's shield might be the bes (together with GL) but it still sucks unless you do some heavy investment, it's the reason why everyone was either using perfect guard or embolden+guard on lance. You could easily invest that much defensive decos in any other weapon too, it's just noone is doing that
"1. Perfect guards dont take less chip damage and knock back. They take no chip damage or knock back (at least on the first hit)" incorrect, they reduce knockback and if it gets reduced to no knockback no chip damage is taken. there is footage of people still taking damage when perfect guarding. presumably the actual gameplay mechanics are just it raises the level of guard you have like charge blade's guard points.
@@spark9189 That is because they are multi hit attacks. Perfect guards do not take chip damage or knock back ON THE FIRST TICK OF DAMAGE. If the attack has multiple ticks of damage you will still take chip and knock back. This is how adept guards have always worked, nothing new. What you mean is literally just guard points not perfect guards, but in the video they said perfect guards. Meaning it is either not perfect guards or the is no chip damage on the first tick of damage Though if its guards points and not perfect guards that would make point 3 even worse
@@spark9189 Then it's a guard point not a perfect guard. Can you tell me were, would like to see. (Though i do feel like pointing out that all the other shield weapons seem to have the blue glow that usally indecates a perfect guard missing. As far as i could see lance is the only one, but i also didnt bother checking for all of them. This could mean that lance is the only shielded weapon with a perfect guard...)
it sounds incredibly dumb to make Insect Glaive and Light Bowgun not having access to those mechanics. I hope each weapon types has access to either offset or clash attack. HBG and Greatsword having both of them feel a little too extreme tbh. Those weapons are busted already in World
Giving players an increased reward for blocking and more risk/reward through Offsets on weapons with traditionally no defense/evasion boosts is brilliant.
yeah, i'm very glad they're keeping the "counter" options from rise
But it's implementation right now looks to be broken. This looks more to be medium risk big reward. Focusing on making hunters more and more brawny just takes the immersion away for me.
One thing to not with offset attacks is that they work the same way clashes work in that there is a hidden bar that fills up when you time offset attacks correctly. When filled it triggers an offset, sending the monster flying away. This means that not every offset attack will result in toppling the monster, even when timed correctly and performed against the correct monster attack. As an example see the Hunting horn offset attacking Rey Dau in 0:52 . He lands the attack, but Rey Dau is still standing afterwards.
This is a damn good incentive to give Greatsword and Sword & Shield users a reason to guard with the weapon. The offset looks damn powerful, I wonder if it will be usable on enraged monsters ?
Hammer bro here super exited for MHW still not sure what my second weapon will be
Hear me out, another hammer
Hammer and musical Hammer, bonk and bonk with music
@@espada7997 good idea actually though 👍
@@espada7997 Yea I just might run a hunting horn I do love music
Have you considered another hammer?
one other thing to note about offsets, while they do not always stagger the monster, they do seem to always reduce damage taken and give super armor
LBG doesn't have an offset but while the rapid fire mode is active you can fire while dodging, and it seems to have an auto reload if you dodge after the last shot in a magazine so it does maintain some level of offense while dodging, as long as you're able to maintain the rapid fire mode
I think this mechanic is awesome as a Lance main, specifically perfect guards. What I don’t like is how broken it seems to be. The fact that Greatsword and Sword and Shield have the ability to block massive monster attacks with basically no downside really takes away from the Lance’s identity. At least Lance and Gunlance get to cancel endlag with Guard now instead of just the hops
Yeah lance should have gotten something like corckscrew jab in return
I think only specific moves can lead to guard clash so they will likely be majority of the monster kit that the land can display its mastery in guarding as it should naturally have less stamina cost and push back when guarding.
They could also add skills exclusive to a weapon type like frontiers reflect (which made an undertuned appearance in sunbreak and was lance only), but it only works for lance and it functions on perfect guards or something. With offensive decos being in weapons and weapons having armor skills built in, I could definitely see them improving upon weapon specific skills to improve the weapons playstyle and identity.
@@SpeedDemonAJ Agree. They could do something fun with that too
Adept gs was by far my most played weapon/style combo in GU, and though it's not quite the same in wilds, I'm enjoying the new options gs has other than just charging and shoulder bashing. It wont beat out HH and lance, but it'll definitely be a strong third for me.
I feel like it would make sense for Charge Blade to have an offset attack in axe mode, but I'm not really sure what it would be. Basic AED maybe? I feel like we may not know for a while, since most gameplay footage we get before the demo goes public probably isn't gonna have too many CB players. The weapon's high knowledge floor coupled with all the game's new systems make it an unappealing choice for people who only get like an hour of gameplay.
No off set move for IG? yet again another classic IG W for capcom's questionable design choice for this weapon Sad glaive hours😔
IG seems to be on the bad side of MH's team now. From no aerial bounce to no offset. I really hope at launch, IG can be improved a lot
The skill ceiling goes UP!
I tried not to watch these videos but I can't help it😅
Why they gotta take away my helicopter and then not give IG any of this cool stuff man 😢
I know how you feel as an IG main myself 😅
**Sad IG Main Noises**
😢 yeah...
Backwards vault during combo has i frames apparently
@@Massakre8492nd We'll see how the endgame is balanced. I fear weapon like IG and DB (I think DB also doesn't have either kind of attack, might be wrong) wont be able to keep up in dmg with the other (DB might actually becuase its always king of Elemental dmg) because there's less knockdowns becuase of no offset/clash attack but we'll see. If a weapon with that kind of attack can only get 1 in per hunt it's whatever, but if a offset attack weapon can do it 3 times then it's going to be a lot of missed out on DMG for IG, a single attack wont make up for it.
I think weirdly enough having these additions to other weapons will help better solidify the identity of the insect glaive. Giving other weapons rewards for doing their job means that if they stay in their lane, insect glaive will get all the mounts. So each weapon now has something powerful they can do without taking anyone else’s place.
@@roddyrobinson8387 This would have been the case if they didn't take away half of insect glaives identity by neutering their aerial combat, but instead expanded on it like how Sunbreak did with kinsect slash, which afaik is not in Wilds but feel free to correct me.
The way I described how most of us feel to my friend who mains charge blade is "Imagine if they took away your axe mode completely"
Witch feels off surely IG should have a discerning dodge if not on the role then on the volt but it just doesn’t seem to have one
DUDE IT SHOULD TOTALLY HAVE ON THE VAULT I haven’t thought abt that, it’d be so perfect. They spent zero time on IG the players that cal that weapon home (me including) are just sobbing while watching all the other kids run around wit their new cool shit
Please stop neutering my insect glaive please! We're not even a high damage weapon, we're just fun jumpy bois. 😢
Dam rip IG i guess
Why no IG love
I'm assuming Charge Blade's guard points also build towards clashes, or has that not been tested yet?
That is a good point! The gunlance basically has guard points now and I think remember seeing someone proc it from that so maybe?
Do guard points for the CB count as perfect guards?
Do think maybe its possible to lose a Power clash to a Monster and just get overpowered?
HGB offset? Never seen it live.
You load this mortar shell thing into your barrel (it was shown in the trailer) and it can be held/charged. You can just use it like a regular melee range explosion attack, but to get the actual Offset counter you have to let the button go right when a monster attack would've made contact
RIP Insect Glaive
Lol imma play IG for its simplicity
I got hairy legs!!!!
Thanks for sharing!
1. Perfect guards dont take less chip damage and knock back. They take no chip damage or knock back (at least on the first hit)
2. Devs: "we dont want to give each weapon a counter"
Also Devs: *proceeds to give almost all weapons a counter*
3. As some others have pointed out allready. With every weapon being able to counter, Lance kinda just becomes worth less (not worthless) picking over other weapons, with offsets and espeacially adept dodges being aruably better than perfect guard. Not saying that other weapons cant have counters, but they obviosly spent a lot of time reworking lances counter system but didnt bother giving it something flashy like corckscrew jab. And dont give me that crap about normal blocking. Lance's shield might be the bes (together with GL) but it still sucks unless you do some heavy investment, it's the reason why everyone was either using perfect guard or embolden+guard on lance. You could easily invest that much defensive decos in any other weapon too, it's just noone is doing that
"1. Perfect guards dont take less chip damage and knock back. They take no chip damage or knock back (at least on the first hit)"
incorrect, they reduce knockback and if it gets reduced to no knockback no chip damage is taken. there is footage of people still taking damage when perfect guarding. presumably the actual gameplay mechanics are just it raises the level of guard you have like charge blade's guard points.
@@spark9189 That is because they are multi hit attacks. Perfect guards do not take chip damage or knock back ON THE FIRST TICK OF DAMAGE. If the attack has multiple ticks of damage you will still take chip and knock back. This is how adept guards have always worked, nothing new. What you mean is literally just guard points not perfect guards, but in the video they said perfect guards. Meaning it is either not perfect guards or the is no chip damage on the first tick of damage
Though if its guards points and not perfect guards that would make point 3 even worse
@@zawardo5909 i was talking about single hit attacks. caoslayer has footage of a single hit attack still doing chip damage.
@@spark9189 Then it's a guard point not a perfect guard. Can you tell me were, would like to see.
(Though i do feel like pointing out that all the other shield weapons seem to have the blue glow that usally indecates a perfect guard missing. As far as i could see lance is the only one, but i also didnt bother checking for all of them. This could mean that lance is the only shielded weapon with a perfect guard...)
@@zawardo5909 57 seconds into their perfect guard video. it said perfect guard very clearly in the top right corner, so it was 100% a perfect guard.
it sounds incredibly dumb to make Insect Glaive and Light Bowgun not having access to those mechanics. I hope each weapon types has access to either offset or clash attack. HBG and Greatsword having both of them feel a little too extreme tbh. Those weapons are busted already in World