@@rjjames9336 nope they did not, thats all Kupe legend. It was called Nu Tiriani by Maori chiefs when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi. Only the South Island was named Aotearoa
Thankyou Sean for bringing in Professor Paul Moon for the history lesson on the name Aotearoa. All the same the government & MSM have no right just pushing the name onto us without the expressed result of a referendum to let the people decide.
With respect bro. No one's pushing anyone. Use it or don't use it - your choice. If and when it comes to a time when the name Aotearoa becomes such an issue that many people start using it most of the time and lobbyists call for it to become official then at the risk of losing the next election you can be sure no government will be brave enough to change it without a referendum. All the same it's pretty weird that we call our country after a little known and relatively boring and small, insignificant province on the other side of the world in the south of the Netherlands which incidentally recently changed it's name from Holland to The Netherlands. Also, Iran used to be called Persia, Sri Lanka used to be called Ceylon, Maynamar used to be called Burma and Turkey recently changed its name to Turkeye (pronounced Turkey-ay) and the sky didn't fall in so is it such a big deal?
@@andreatodd3095 Good for you sister. Do what your heart tells you. For me it's Aotearoa-New Zealand and I'll be quite happy if one day (probably long after I'm dead) it's just Aotearoa. But I respect , and I think everyone else should respect your personal decision to call our motu what you like. 🙂
Thing is tho … our country has built up its name and reputation as New Zealand…. the name that is respected around the world . I know other countries have changed their names … Burma for example…. I always found it confusing when names are changed!
No need for consultation (unless of course you are one of those insecure people who demand to be consulted about whether or not we need to have a consultation about being consulted)- you are already totally free to call it what you like and you are consulted every three years about who you want for local and central government anyway.. What's your problem?
@@NewZman23 Obvious you have Maori blood otherwise you would stand by our pioneering heritage ,It was the Europeans who built this country to where it is now so whats your problem ?
I don't think this is so much about the name as it is the realization that certain individuals, essentially a small group of 'in-crowd' people, decided that their ideological agenda was more important than the will of the general population. In short, they decided that a name change would simply be imposed upon the general population, whether they liked it or not. Not exactly what I'd call 'democratic' but then maybe I'm just old fashioned.
'Their ideological agenda was more important than the will of the general population'. Sounds like several Governments we have had over the past 40 Years.
@@planespotter4494 So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is; because we didn't get to vote on the name advanced by the first European to discover New Zealand back in 1642, we shouldn't get to vote on a name change today, in 2023? Seriously? You do understand that, at least in theory, we live in a constitutional democracy he in NZ, or so we're told?
New Zealand is the name of the country I was born in New Zealand is a democracy In democracy we should have a Vote on the name of our country I will always use The Name New Zealand as my birth country 100 %
Aotearoa New Zealand has never been a true Democracy since the day British Military began the illegal corporate take over of Aotearoa Māori economy in 1860. Te Tiriti o Waitangi gives you a right to call this land what you like … but your racist insistence NOT to acknowledge Aotearoa will always be your legacy.
for me, i was born on an island named Te Wai Pounamu or South Island. I'm quite sure that i was not born in any country named Aotearoa. Though i do find the name somewhat appealing.
There is a significant contradiction in your argument there. You promote the role of democracy and suggest we should have a vote on the name. But then say you will always use the name New Zealand despite what decision the vote may bring.
@@drinkingup2157 There is no Contradiction. As I said New Zealand is a Democracy and we should have a Vote on any name change CLEARLY!!!!!!! There will never be any Vote as New Zealand is and has only Puppet Governments to the WEF NNP 4th Reich 💯% Until a Vote happens which again will never happen I will always Call my birth Country New Zealand. Complying to WOKE Bullshit is your choice do not push it upon me!!!
Articles from particularly Stuff and RNZ increasingly refer to New Zealand as Aotearoa ( spell check needed)and occasionally as Aotearoa / New Zealand . Rarely as simply New Zealand . I agree that the MSM are pushing this, but wonder at their agenda. Often an academic, scientist or some expert is quoted as using Aotearoa in an interview when referring to New Zealand and I find it hard to believe that is what they actually said. I suspect the editor has been at work here. There is also a move to use Māori names instead of the English name . Otautahi is often used in newspaper articles and council literature instead of Christchurch..which I find personally annoying when it is used alone or as Otautahi/ Christchurch. Otautahi originally applied to a tiny seasonal settlement by the Avon river around Kilmore Street. On TV1 weather news some presenters are using Māori names for the cities such as Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. That would be fine if the English name was said first and it’s Māori name second, but it is the practice to do the reverse. To me this all sounds like indoctrination.
New Zealand is known around the world as it's name/title not the 'other' north island name.This is coercion,high jacking by activist,woke media,woke govt.New Zealand is the name,plus it needs to be public voters who decide a change,not some woke, totalitarian govt,Maori activist fiddling the ' books',by force
My goodness, you do love those big fancy reactionary words, especially the word "woke". How very woke. And also. by the way obviously you don't realise that these days it's very woke to be anti-woke. So touché bro. 🙂BTW, who said there would be force, coercion, hijacking and fiddling of the books and who said there wouldn't be a public vote? I'd be interested to know. Maybe it's a conspiracy OMG!! And also BTW, many countries, cities and towns have changed names over the centuries; what's the big deal?
@@NewZman23 What about those of us who are born here who are not Maori. Do we not have a say in what we call the country we are born in. What about having a public referendum on this issue? I only know my country as New Zealand, and in my travels, abroad, people overseas know this country as New Zealand, never heard of any other name. Beside's ao tea roa is not a name that even NZ born citizens are able to pronounce.
@@daddybob6096 what about you? If there's a referendum you can vote if you want to. But unlike Australia we won't force you to vote. Will that make you happy? I am certain that if there are enough people who call for a name change no government will be brave enough to just change it without a binding referendum. And if most people vote for a change, then you will still have a choice of two names like Aoraki-Mt Cook, Tamaki Makaurau-Auckland, Whanganui a Tara-Wellington everyone will have a choice of which name they use. If they want to use one, they can, if they want to use both they can. So don't worry bro, don't panic, no one is trying to take away your rights (as some people seem to mistakenly think these days). Democracy and the power of the people still rules in Aotearoa New Zealand. 😀
@@daddybob6096 Kia ora and apologies if you're offended. No offense intended; my comments were tongue in cheek and in light vein. Your experience 4 years ago sounds very unpleasant and unfortunate. I can only suggest you don't let one incident like this dampen your enthusiasm for greeting someone in Te Reo Maori. Who knows what his reason was for disrespecting you; maybe he had had previous bad experiences with Pakeha disrespecting him; maybe he had mental health problems; maybe he was just not a very nice Maori person. Let’s not judge a whole race on one person’s behaviour. Not all Maori are good people; not all are bad.(Ditto for Pakeha) Re your age, you've got 9 years on me brother and great to hear you love walking. So do I. I don't support the ridiculous and un-workable idea of separatism (aka apartheid) and the vast majority of Maori don't either. I'm not sure why you use, (in my opinion) the derogatory term "you people". Are you referring to every Maori person or me personally? Either way I actually find it has no positive connotations and should be avoided. I'm almost 100% certain that most if not all Maori, just want to live a happy, peaceful and harmonious life like you do. You ask: “do you want to fight us, the majority of NZ citizens”? Perhaps Maori could have asked James Cook and the early colonial government and settlers the same question. But perhaps another way of looking at it is through the eyes and hearts of the people who were originally “the majority of NZ citizens”- who then over 150 years or so saw their land confiscated, their people devastated by diseases brought in by the colonial settlers and their society disenfranchised and marginalised - (bearing in mind that it wasn’t then known to the tangata whenua as “New Zealand” - and it’s not really relevant at this stage of our conversation as to what it was or is called). Looking at it from a Maori point of view can bring a different and relevant perspective. But I do believe that successive NZ Governments over the past 150-something years have behaved badly towards the tangata whenua, especially with regards to disrespecting and dishonouring the Treaty of Waitangi which was signed in good faith by the chiefs of most (but not all iwi). If you haven’t already, may I suggest you do some research on the history of the English version of the treaty to find out exactly what was promised (and written into the treaty) by the colonial powers and then find a contemporary English translation of the te reo Maori version to find out which clauses have been systematically disregarded and blatantly dishonoured in the years since it was signed. It’s quite enlightening in my opinion. It may also be beneficial for you to contact some of the kaumatua, the Maori elders in your area to have an open and frank discussion on the treaty and the effects that dishonouring it still has on Maori people today. Perhaps you may see things in a different light. Perhaps you won’t. While I don’t believe in the idea of the “sins of our fathers” being blamed on today’s generation, I do believe NZ society today owes it to the tangata whenua to address the many wrongs committed against many innocent individual Maori people and many Maori tribes and accept that we need to make amends (whether monetary or otherwise) for these past wrong-doings. In my opinion compromise is needed on both sides (as happened in the treaty of Waitangi) and both sides need to accept that neither side is all right or all wrong or all good or all bad. Both sides can teach each other valuable lessons; both sides can learn from our past common history and use those lessons to the advantage of all New Zealand citizens today. Kudos to the members (both Maori and Pakeha) of recent governments for already doing this, but the process is not yet complete. Let’s just say it’s a work in progress or Rome wasn’t built in a day. Re the infrastructure you refer to, I’m quite aware that it may have been designed by Pommie immigrants (although it wasn’t really needed before they arrived) but it wasn’t all built by Pakeha hands, just as the battles of the Boer war, WW1 & 2 and Korea and Vietnam weren’t all fought by Pakeha hands. I think we need to remember that we (Europeans, Maori, Asians, Arabs and Jews) have previously worked and lived harmoniously together and I believe we can still do that. United we stand, divided we fall. By the way, although I’m not Christian thank you for your blessing and may your God also bless you. I’m of English and German descent with no direct connection to any Maori iwi (except in spirit). I speak very little te reo, but wish I could speak more - (it’s a work in progress). Nga mihi nui, kia ora and kia kaha
It's not just Aoeteora. Word by word our language is being replaced. On MSM they do not use the words 'work' or 'children' any more, or at most rarely there are others words that a disappearing but these two seem to have been permanently replaced in MSM. If I were to watch the news on Maori TV do they interchange English words? No! All for keeping Maori language and culture alive but does it need to come at the expense of NZ culture which is not English or European, anyone who has spent any time overseas can attest to that. For 150+ year we evolved a culture that was a hybrid European/Polynesian culture and it worked but for the the last 20 or so years the European aspect of our culture is being intentionally and maliciously eradicated.
@@KG-ui7ji not sure it's as subtle as a slippery slope. feels like we are being told we will accept co-governance and be happy, no option or say for us!
Well said, they are replacing our language not cool many people are offended, maori news has no English translation, anything Colonial translated to maori is either made up or just an English word spelt and spoken incorrectly. Why change Monday to Mane?
the government and media needs to go with the majorities opinion, as the people vote the government and the media reports that , the media doesn't have any say in how people think or feel, they are there to report facts not there personal feelings
Hey Sean coming from a seafarers prospective when you see clouds at see that remain stationary it means there is land below it, looking at the geography logic would tell me this would probably be south island. In the Netherlands we have a province called Zeeland. Just stating a few facts do with it what you like. Anyway I'm a huge fan of the platform love NZ have lived here for 22 years. Let's leave it as it is I say. I think there are other things to worry about in this country let's look after our sick and poor people properly. Healthcare and education I reckon. Ta Duke
Did you know Hone Heke cut down the flag poll because he was upset that taxes were being imposed on goods that people were buying from trading ships coming to Port, he believed he shouldn't have to pay tax so he kept cutting down the flag poll in protest and he flew the the American flag over his head in the Harbour because he admired Americans anti tax stance. It worked he got an exemption from having to pay tax on the goods. Good on him.
He'd love petrol taxes,ACC levies,GST,high tax rate,plus numerous other ways the govt picks our pockets, sometimes before it reaches out pockets,leeches,criminal cadre,that they are.
America would have invaded ,like Hawaii,then let the locals get it back ,with no hope,no TOW,no gravy train,just take,take,not,give,give,like here.We,need a Hone here now,for the bunch of Lemmings/sheeple who inhabit our voters at present.In,the meantime most kiwis just roll over,in apathy.
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 even your great great granddaddy wasn’t even a wet dream then , so how the hell was anyone going to ask you. Now you are a piddly percentage of the population, so not that important.
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893because at the time the original inhabitants had been boiled up with some water cress and puha by Maori. So no one can ask them what they prefer. Maori fault no one else's.
@@kyoteybear9439 that's nonsense. All of the inhabitants here are from the same cultural lineage. They all traveresed the Pacific ocean Tonga, Samoa, Hawaii, Rarotonga - they are all the Same people Maori included.
Remember, people have the power, every 3 years. But every day with a boycott. To media you don't agree with. If you want a name change, ask the people. Otherwise build bigger fences at Wellington.
The Maori version of the treaty doesn't mention the word Aotearoa --which is odd Nor does the English version I was told by an elder that Aotearoa was in reference to one of the Waka Aotea from the Maori Migration fleet which landed in the North Island New Zealand is the name of the new nation that was created by the treaty when many peoples became one Under one name , one rule of law , one language with every person having equal rights
In 1835, the British resdient Busby organized a coalition of mostly northern chiefs into a Confederation called Te Whakaputunga in Maori [this was short-lived and the first step toward the Teaty of Waitangi in which it's mentioned]. Here was the first time that Maori referred politically and geographically to the whole of New Zealand - He Whakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni. Notice that they used Nu Tireni, which is the Maorification of New Zealand. So Maori themselves used New Zealand/ Nu Tireni when referring to the country as a whole.... Aotearoa came a lot later. New Zealand/ Nu Tireni is the right word to use given historical usage.
Have you noticed our passport name changes? It used to have NZ on the front, then Aotearoa was added underneath in smaller letters, now its Aotearoa at the top with NZ in small letters underneath, nek minit NZ will be removed!
The treaty used Nu Tirani in the 1840s to identify the land of New Zealand, Maori accepted Nu Tirani or New Zealand in English so why is changing now in post modern era?
Nah you didnt ask Maori about NZ so the next generation will be inclusively Aotearoa not selfish colonial NZ, once you old racists die out the next generation will be Aotearoa, you cant stop change
I noticed that when the Guest started to say things the host didn't agree with, he interrupted/spoke over him ... that to me describes the way Media override public opinion! My view on our name as New Zealand ... I knew it was from a dutch explorer hadn't realized he actually said 'Staten land' ... I did know 'Aotearoa' originally referred to only the North Island! should we have a referendum or not I would say WHY??? seems like a storm in a tea cup discussion to me!
This Labour Govt and some Maori interpret things the way they want according to what narrative they're spinning that day. I get sick and tired of the constant change of stance they have from year to year, if you watch the money trail it's easy to tell though, feeding from the trough is their way unfortunately and Labour splashes the dollars around liberally in Maori's favour that's for sure.
oh ew, people talk like this about the indigenous people over there, too? They talk like this about Australians first people too. "follow the money" pfffffffffffft. Have some respect for the people of the land that you live on...So gross to basically call them money scabs. You devastate their land and impose systems on everything where money is the only way to survive and then when they need some of it you judge them, get outta here...
i think this was explained in the video? at that time aotearoa was used by some iwi for the north island, but it wasn't used for the whole country. the popularity of aotearoa grew later on and has become the most widely accepted reo maori name for this land.
"Let's put a piece of nonsense into perspective with a narrative that was shared on another page. New Zealand is NOT Aotearoa. Pre-1840 the Maoris did not have a name for the whole of New Zealand as they had no sense of a Maori nation - they were¬ just separate warring-with-one-another tribes. In 1643 the country was named New Zealand by the States-General (Parliament) of Holland and this has been its name for 370 years. Aotearoa was a fictitious name for New Zealand invented only in 1890 when S. Percy Smith (Stephenson Percy Smith, Colonial subject was a New Zealand ethnologist and surveyor) used it as a make-up name for the whole country in his fictional story of Kupe. Aotearoa does not appear in the Treaty of Waitangi. From 1840, the signing of the Treaty up until 1890 the name Aotearoa DID NOT exist. The name only begun to appear after the 1900’s with greater frequency following S. Percy Smith’s fictional story and its use in of course you guessed it the MEDIA. The Aotearoa name, a name ‘taken’ from Colonial creation not of Maori origin has been built on factual inaccuracy, and propaganda in an attempt to give it legitimacy within a culture that historically ‘takes’ without due process or consideration for the legality. To think the so-called Maori name for New Zealand was created by a European is hysterical - oh the irony! So much so that the Maori, Major Companies and Corporations, and the Government, should pay historic royalties to S. Percy Smith’s family for such use as the name is NOT authentic nor originates from the Maori Language. It is probably now the most commercialized name in New Zealand that originates from S. Percy Smith. The modern interpretation or meaning of this fictional name sounds more like a coffee - cloud white long, than a legitimate name for an country. Nor do I believe that legal appropriation was sort for the use of that name from S. Percy Smith’s estate or property. In future, ask companies (eg, Media, Telecommunications and the Government) whether they have paid royalties for the use of such a European derived name, if not then use our Official Name - New Zealand! It would be a real laugh if the Percy family claimed Royalties from all those folk and the media, who use the "A......a" term, for every time the word was used."
What is the point of getting an expert on to ask questions and then interrupting them with another question before they've finished answering the first?
Interesting. Noticing the push back against the use of Aotearoa, people here preferring New Zealand yet with no difficulty in calling New Zealaders Kiwi's mostly with a sense of pride.
Just lucky there were still Kiwi birds here by the time the Europeans arrived I guess, most of everything else including other 'indigenous people' had been wiped out.
@@halbellows8578wow. You still believe that racist rhetoric? The only thing that walked on two legs before Maori did in Aotearoa were the birds. There is no archaelogical evidence to suggest that any other humans (or even hominids) had ever set foot on these islands prior to the Māori
I have more issues with the interchangeable words used in the media and government documents that blend the two languages. Makes it challenging to read and no one outside ( and I suspect the majority inside) this country have any idea what is being written.
@@peterthepakeha2799 In legend he did. But in fact we know he physically didn't. The legend is a metaphor. To learn more, may I suggest you go to see the excellent Kiwi movie WHETU MARAMA and be enlightened by the late and inspiring Sir Hek Busby. Kia ora. 🙂
Yip, NZ ❤❤❤when i went to school..born in the 60s......is AOTEAROA a male or female? and what is their whakapapa..?? which ARIKI do they come from? NZ as i know her ingoa..and with respect Sean, I know that so long as I'm blessed to have our kuia, kaumatua, we have our own historians whom we belong to.
It didn't have a name as no human being had set foot on the land. New Zealand/Aotearoa was the last major land-mass in the world to be inhabited by humans.
Shaun,how about inteviewing a Putupairehe person . Heaps of them (the nghi hotu) to be found around Tauramanui. When they arrived here in about 236ad they called this land Nukarua. meaning ,"The far away Did Able Tasman ask them if he could change the name.I doubt it.
It was the NZ Post Office that asked Māori for the original place names in the early 1900’s because the Māori language was in danger of dying out. Very few Māori spoke the language other than those in the remoter parts of the countryside. Of course Māori humour is such that there were many Kai Iwi’s that suddenly appeared on NZ maps.
If we ARE going to be coerced to accept and listen to (mostly media so far) insistence on calling NZ 'Aotearoa' and North Island as XYZ and Auckland as Tamaki Makaurau and on and on.. including everyone on TV and Radio (and in my many emails from various bodies and businesses!!!)... then can we AT LEAST have an agreement a) that BOTH names/terms are used (and thus that one group ie English speakers are NOT excluded or dismissed) and b) that when using both names, we use the MAJORITY-used names/terms first... ie English?
That's how Māori have been doing it since forever. Māori literally will call a place anything (especially if it is of European origin) E.g Hamilton becomes Hamz, Palmerton North is Palmy, Auckland is A mistake. Heck, where do you guys think "chur" came from? Cheers
Good! it needs to take another step. The dispute of an ongoing "Research" of moriori and Maori why some pple don't think there is no first race b4 Maori???.
Well what do you expect an academic to say? He's more than likely to lose his job if he agrees with 90% of the country. I think it's an outrage that the Labour/Green/TPM govt simply changed the name of the country, in a disgustingly manipulative way, without asking the permission of the citizens. We chucked them out with a resounding thud as soon as we could electorally. Their manipulative name change should go the same way.
And for the vast majority of our recorded written history, maori were quite partial to Maoriland. Never discussed that, did this "historian" Nor did he acknowledge that the word was only used by a small minority in the North Island.
I remember aotearoa being used at times in the fifties, only by way of what the maori called this land when seen from the sea and NOT a universal name, why would they need to name this pace and the land was inhabited by a variety of tribes, NO cohesive people.
Aotearoa was first used by the initial migration (Kupe) and it directly translated to land of the long day, which when you came from the islands which were close enough to the equator that days were only 12 hours long, come down to the southern pacific and now the daylight hours are more like 15 to 18 hours long. it makes sense yet our modern historians (if thats what they are called) seem to toally ignore this.
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 that version of the name came from an account of the the first wave of maori who came to nz in the Kupe Immigration. the refrence to this i found in a 1918 book of NZ Maori and pakeha history. this was used a reference book for many in the time. Te Reo, as you know never had a written form untill colonisation, so much of the history , including word meaning has changed and morphed over the centuries. i am not denying modern maori's Te Reo does not interupt the word exactly the same as the maori from the first wave of immigration of the maori people.
@@paulsmith3019 what a load crap nothing about Maori history is any thing more than Chinese whispers the different tribes cant even agree. Maori history has been written by European academics with the approval of some tribes because it paints them in a good light over the other tribes they were trying to eradicate. European academics just consulted with the dominant tribes and forced it onto the rest of the weaker tribes. And that's our new pc Maori culture we have today academics took a bunch of savage canables and made up a whole culture and now we are all paying through the nose for a load of rubbish end of.
It was named Nieuw Zeeland by Dutch explorer Abel Tasman. Named after his native province Zeeland (meaning land of the Sea) in the Netherlands. Later the British changed the spelling to New Zealand. Zealandia is just the Latin version of Zealand named by geologists in the 1990s to describe the original continent of which New Zealand/Aotearoa is a part, but since a few million years ago most of it is submerged under water. So Zealandia is the continent and Aotearoa is the island that remains above sea level today.
Tbh Sean I'm sure māori never agreed to the name NZ either so what's your answer? We just listen to you and go along with your whakaaro I'm proud kiwi but I don't look at our flag or our countries name and say yes that's me nooo. Sean you won't be hear in 50 years and the name will probably change by then so just enjoy your life and evolve with the change.
You are repeating a degrading statement being made by nasty maoris about old white people being dead soon and colonialism dying with them. Quite the opposite is actually happening we live longer!!
The people of the Tuamotu Archipelago where a number of ancestoral canoes probably came from, refer to NZ as Ruterangi. Perhaps this name which has more historical significance than Aotearoa should be considered? th-cam.com/video/mkZPWoCsMi0/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/PT9EBGgA1ck/w-d-xo.html for more information
One Maori Chief called the North Island Aotearoa. Around that particular time it was highly unlikely that Maori were interacting with each other on names of the North Island. They were most likely fighting each other. So I cannot agree with the historian. . Doubtful that anyone know the real reason where the name came from.
It’s very rare the that a professor is this interesting and I think it’s very clear that media that are taking money from the government ( nz on air….. ) are being told to use Aotearoa. My view is this it’s free speech if you want to call it Aotearoa go for it if you want to call it Middle Earth I’ll think your a dork but fill your boots For me it’s New Zealand and no one will tell me or even force me to say other wise unless I’m also using my free speech and at the same time I’ll not ask anyone to alter their speech.
I think Paul Moon is incorrect. I believe the Māori oral history. According to Māori it was Kupes wife who saw nz first and called it Aotea. The roa was added by pakeha journalists.The pre Māori people of nz called the country Nukuroa.
I was born in a Country named New Zealand, and I would prefer it remain New Zealand. But as a supporter of democracy, I would respect the wishes of a majority of the society, if they wish to change the name. But let's not have cultural change by stealth. Some bureaucrats and I would include much of the media in this group must stop moving their agenda by stealth.
Pakeha own the word new zealand. Maori own the word Aotearoa . Which means land . And that name was giving the explorer maui . Who named it after his wife . In around the 3rd century bc. It is written .
Professor Moon. l do a lot of research myself on the history of NZ. pre- 1840 The Maoris did not have a name for the whole of New Zealand as they had no sense of a Maori nation - just tribes. Aotearoa" as a fanciful name for NZ began only in 1890 when S. Percy Smith used it as a make up name for the whole country in his fictional story of Kupe. The word Aotearoa did not appear in the Treaty of Waitangi - for obvious reasons.
I'm a New Zealander and think New Zealand is by far the best and most relevant name.
Imagine trying to call yourself an Aoteoroan.
Yes When Abel tasman came to this country and named this country it was New Sealand
@@merledoughty5787 when maori came here they named it Aotearoa, so whats your point?
Damn, you find it that hard to pronounce "Aotearoa" correctly? Useless
@@rjjames9336 nope they did not, thats all Kupe legend. It was called Nu Tiriani by Maori chiefs when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi. Only the South Island was named Aotearoa
Thankyou Sean for bringing in Professor Paul Moon for the history lesson on the name Aotearoa. All the same the government & MSM have no right just pushing the name onto us without the expressed result of a referendum to let the people decide.
With respect bro. No one's pushing anyone. Use it or don't use it - your choice. If and when it comes to a time when the name Aotearoa becomes such an issue that many people start using it most of the time and lobbyists call for it to become official then at the risk of losing the next election you can be sure no government will be brave enough to change it without a referendum. All the same it's pretty weird that we call our country after a little known and relatively boring and small, insignificant province on the other side of the world in the south of the Netherlands which incidentally recently changed it's name from Holland to The Netherlands. Also, Iran used to be called Persia, Sri Lanka used to be called Ceylon, Maynamar used to be called Burma and Turkey recently changed its name to Turkeye (pronounced Turkey-ay) and the sky didn't fall in so is it such a big deal?
While I can appreciate most regions having Maori names it's always going to be New Zealand for me.
@@andreatodd3095 Good for you sister. Do what your heart tells you. For me it's Aotearoa-New Zealand and I'll be quite happy if one day (probably long after I'm dead) it's just Aotearoa. But I respect
, and I think everyone else should respect your personal decision to call our motu what you like. 🙂
@@andreatodd3095 that's a Dutch name - how irrelevant to the first people and the 2nd peoples of this nation
Thing is tho … our country has built up its name and reputation as New Zealand…. the name that is respected around the world .
I know other countries have changed their names … Burma for example…. I always found it confusing when names are changed!
Yes we must be consulted on the name of our country. My vote though is, New Zealand.
No need for consultation (unless of course you are one of those insecure people who demand to be consulted about whether or not we need to have a consultation about being consulted)- you are already totally free to call it what you like and you are consulted every three years about who you want for local and central government anyway.. What's your problem?
We held a referendum on the flag,why not the country's name? No need for the smarty pants consultation comment.
@@NewZman23 Obvious you have Maori blood otherwise you would stand by our pioneering heritage ,It was the Europeans who built this country to where it is now so whats your problem ?
Keep the name that is internationally recognised. New Zealand. 🇳🇿NZ
Some people especially in parts of America didn't know where NZ is .....about 20 yrs ago, so Aotearoa is really going to confuse them.
@@andreatodd3095 Those people are going to be terminally confused. Hardly worth mentioning!
@@andreatodd3095 Most Americans don't know where America is.
@@kiwigrunt330 true 🤣🤣🤣
@@kiwigrunt330 Most Americans don't know the rest of the world exists.
We are living in undemocratic times. This won’t play out well if New Zealand is dropped without our consent.
I don't think this is so much about the name as it is the realization that certain individuals, essentially a small group of 'in-crowd' people, decided that their ideological agenda was more important than the will of the general population. In short, they decided that a name change would simply be imposed upon the general population, whether they liked it or not. Not exactly what I'd call 'democratic' but then maybe I'm just old fashioned.
'Their ideological agenda was more important than the will of the general population'. Sounds like several Governments we have had over the past 40 Years.
I never voted for a New Seeland from Statenland in the Netherlands either. How did The Dutch impose this crazy name on our country?
@@planespotter4494 So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is; because we didn't get to vote on the name advanced by the first European to discover New Zealand back in 1642, we shouldn't get to vote on a name change today, in 2023? Seriously? You do understand that, at least in theory, we live in a constitutional democracy he in NZ, or so we're told?
@@planespotter4494 Its the most relevant name.
@@planespotter4494 duh probably because you were not here when it got named
The use of written English international language that has assisted the first human settlers in to these islands seems to have worked quite well.
We use the Latin Alphabet. Not the English
New Zealand is the name of the country I was born in
New Zealand is a democracy
In democracy we should have a Vote on the name of our country
I will always use The Name
New Zealand as my birth country 100 %
Aotearoa New Zealand has never been a true Democracy since the day British Military began the illegal corporate take over of Aotearoa Māori economy in 1860. Te Tiriti o Waitangi gives you a right to call this land what you like … but your racist insistence NOT to acknowledge Aotearoa will always be your legacy.
for me, i was born on an island named Te Wai Pounamu or South Island. I'm quite sure that i was not born in any country named Aotearoa. Though i do
find the name somewhat appealing.
@@1Ma9iN8tive The colonists built this country, there was no country before they built it.
There is a significant contradiction in your argument there. You promote the role of democracy and suggest we should have a vote on the name. But then say you will always use the name New Zealand despite what decision the vote may bring.
@@drinkingup2157 There is no Contradiction.
As I said New Zealand is a Democracy and we should have a Vote on any name change
CLEARLY!!!!!!! There will never be any Vote as New Zealand is and has only Puppet Governments to the
WEF NNP 4th Reich 💯%
Until a Vote happens which again will never happen I will always Call my birth Country New Zealand.
Complying to WOKE Bullshit is your choice do not push it upon me!!!
Articles from particularly Stuff and RNZ increasingly refer to New Zealand as Aotearoa ( spell check needed)and occasionally as Aotearoa / New Zealand . Rarely as simply New Zealand . I agree that the MSM are pushing this, but wonder at their agenda. Often an academic, scientist or some expert is quoted as using Aotearoa in an interview when referring to New Zealand and I find it hard to believe that is what they actually said. I suspect the editor has been at work here. There is also a move to use Māori names instead of the English name . Otautahi is often used in newspaper articles and council literature instead of Christchurch..which I find personally annoying when it is used alone or as Otautahi/ Christchurch. Otautahi originally applied to a tiny seasonal settlement by the Avon river around Kilmore Street. On TV1 weather news some presenters are using Māori names for the cities such as Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. That would be fine if the English name was said first and it’s Māori name second, but it is the practice to do the reverse. To me this all sounds like indoctrination.
sounds to me like respect for the original names.
I will always be a Kiwi from New Zealand.
Are you a bird or 🥝 ? I’m a New Zealander.
@@Starlight-mp4pkew
Sean,
Please don't interrupt your guests!
He is very annoying in this regard.
New Zealand is known around the world as it's name/title not the 'other' north island name.This is coercion,high jacking by activist,woke media,woke govt.New Zealand is the name,plus it needs to be public voters who decide a change,not some woke, totalitarian govt,Maori activist fiddling the ' books',by force
My goodness, you do love those big fancy reactionary words, especially the word "woke". How very woke. And also. by the way obviously you don't realise that these days it's very woke to be anti-woke. So touché bro. 🙂BTW, who said there would be force, coercion, hijacking and fiddling of the books and who said there wouldn't be a public vote? I'd be interested to know. Maybe it's a conspiracy OMG!! And also BTW, many countries, cities and towns have changed names over the centuries; what's the big deal?
@@NewZman23 What about those of us who are born here who are not Maori. Do we not have a say in what we call the country we are born in. What about having a public referendum on this issue? I only know my country as New Zealand, and in my travels, abroad, people overseas know this country as New Zealand, never heard of any other name. Beside's ao tea roa is not a name that even NZ born citizens are able to pronounce.
@@daddybob6096 what about you? If there's a referendum you can vote if you want to. But unlike Australia we won't force you to vote. Will that make you happy? I am certain that if there are enough people who call for a name change no government will be brave enough to just change it without a binding referendum. And if most people vote for a change, then you will still have a choice of two names like Aoraki-Mt Cook, Tamaki Makaurau-Auckland, Whanganui a Tara-Wellington everyone will have a choice of which name they use. If they want to use one, they can, if they want to use both they can. So don't worry bro, don't panic, no one is trying to take away your rights (as some people seem to mistakenly think these days). Democracy and the power of the people still rules in Aotearoa New Zealand. 😀
@@daddybob6096 Kia ora and apologies if you're offended. No offense intended; my comments were tongue in cheek and in light vein. Your experience 4 years ago sounds very unpleasant and unfortunate. I can only suggest you don't let one incident like this dampen your enthusiasm for greeting someone in Te Reo Maori. Who knows what his reason was for disrespecting you; maybe he had had previous bad experiences with Pakeha disrespecting him; maybe he had mental health problems; maybe he was just not a very nice Maori person. Let’s not judge a whole race on one person’s behaviour. Not all Maori are good people; not all are bad.(Ditto for Pakeha) Re your age, you've got 9 years on me brother and great to hear you love walking. So do I. I don't support the ridiculous and un-workable idea of separatism (aka apartheid) and the vast majority of Maori don't either. I'm not sure why you use, (in my opinion) the derogatory term "you people". Are you referring to every Maori person or me personally? Either way I actually find it has no positive connotations and should be avoided. I'm almost 100% certain that most if not all Maori, just want to live a happy, peaceful and harmonious life like you do. You ask: “do you want to fight us, the majority of NZ citizens”? Perhaps Maori could have asked James Cook and the early colonial government and settlers the same question. But perhaps another way of looking at it is through the eyes and hearts of the people who were originally “the majority of NZ citizens”- who then over 150 years or so saw their land confiscated, their people devastated by diseases brought in by the colonial settlers and their society disenfranchised and marginalised - (bearing in mind that it wasn’t then known to the tangata whenua as “New Zealand” - and it’s not really relevant at this stage of our conversation as to what it was or is called). Looking at it from a Maori point of view can bring a different and relevant perspective. But I do believe that successive NZ Governments over the past 150-something years have behaved badly towards the tangata whenua, especially with regards to disrespecting and dishonouring the Treaty of Waitangi which was signed in good faith by the chiefs of most (but not all iwi). If you haven’t already, may I suggest you do some research on the history of the English version of the treaty to find out exactly what was promised (and written into the treaty) by the colonial powers and then find a contemporary English translation of the te reo Maori version to find out which clauses have been systematically disregarded and blatantly dishonoured in the years since it was signed. It’s quite enlightening in my opinion. It may also be beneficial for you to contact some of the kaumatua, the Maori elders in your area to have an open and frank discussion on the treaty and the effects that dishonouring it still has on Maori people today. Perhaps you may see things in a different light. Perhaps you won’t. While I don’t believe in the idea of the “sins of our fathers” being blamed on today’s generation, I do believe NZ society today owes it to the tangata whenua to address the many wrongs committed against many innocent individual Maori people and many Maori tribes and accept that we need to make amends (whether monetary or otherwise) for these past wrong-doings. In my opinion compromise is needed on both sides (as happened in the treaty of Waitangi) and both sides need to accept that neither side is all right or all wrong or all good or all bad. Both sides can teach each other valuable lessons; both sides can learn from our past common history and use those lessons to the advantage of all New Zealand citizens today. Kudos to the members (both Maori and Pakeha) of recent governments for already doing this, but the process is not yet complete. Let’s just say it’s a work in progress or Rome wasn’t built in a day. Re the infrastructure you refer to, I’m quite aware that it may have been designed by Pommie immigrants (although it wasn’t really needed before they arrived) but it wasn’t all built by Pakeha hands, just as the battles of the Boer war, WW1 & 2 and Korea and Vietnam weren’t all fought by Pakeha hands. I think we need to remember that we (Europeans, Maori, Asians, Arabs and Jews) have previously worked and lived harmoniously together and I believe we can still do that. United we stand, divided we fall. By the way, although I’m not Christian thank you for your blessing and may your God also bless you. I’m of English and German descent with no direct connection to any Maori iwi (except in spirit). I speak very little te reo, but wish I could speak more - (it’s a work in progress). Nga mihi nui, kia ora and kia kaha
@@NewZman23 Thankyou Sir.
Kindly let's keep the same name. New Zealand. Regards John.
Fascinating interview
It's not just Aoeteora. Word by word our language is being replaced. On MSM they do not use the words 'work' or 'children' any more, or at most rarely there are others words that a disappearing but these two seem to have been permanently replaced in MSM. If I were to watch the news on Maori TV do they interchange English words? No!
All for keeping Maori language and culture alive but does it need to come at the expense of NZ culture which is not English or European, anyone who has spent any time overseas can attest to that. For 150+ year we evolved a culture that was a hybrid European/Polynesian culture and it worked but for the the last 20 or so years the European aspect of our culture is being intentionally and maliciously eradicated.
Could not agree more. It makes it very hard to communicate with the outside world if they don’t know what we are saying
Its the slippery slope to cogovernance!
@@KG-ui7ji not sure it's as subtle as a slippery slope. feels like we are being told we will accept co-governance and be happy, no option or say for us!
Well said, they are replacing our language not cool many people are offended, maori news has no English translation, anything Colonial translated to maori is either made up or just an English word spelt and spoken incorrectly. Why change Monday to Mane?
Exactly what part of the European side is preferable?
the government and media needs to go with the majorities opinion, as the people vote the government and the media reports that , the media doesn't have any say in how people think or feel, they are there to report facts not there personal feelings
Hey Sean coming from a seafarers prospective when you see clouds at see that remain stationary it means there is land below it, looking at the geography logic would tell me this would probably be south island. In the Netherlands we have a province called Zeeland. Just stating a few facts do with it what you like. Anyway I'm a huge fan of the platform love NZ have lived here for 22 years. Let's leave it as it is I say. I think there are other things to worry about in this country let's look after our sick and poor people properly. Healthcare and education I reckon. Ta Duke
Did you know Hone Heke cut down the flag poll because he was upset that taxes were being imposed on goods that people were buying from trading ships coming to Port, he believed he shouldn't have to pay tax so he kept cutting down the flag poll in protest and he flew the the American flag over his head in the Harbour because he admired Americans anti tax stance. It worked he got an exemption from having to pay tax on the goods. Good on him.
He'd love petrol taxes,ACC levies,GST,high tax rate,plus numerous other ways the govt picks our pockets, sometimes before it reaches out pockets,leeches,criminal cadre,that they are.
@@argustuft114 a
And now we got Hone Hawera! 🤷♂️
America would have invaded ,like Hawaii,then let the locals get it back ,with no hope,no TOW,no gravy train,just take,take,not,give,give,like here.We,need a Hone here now,for the bunch of Lemmings/sheeple who inhabit our voters at present.In,the meantime most kiwis just roll over,in apathy.
Why should he pay tax to people who are foreigners to this country sounds absurd!.
any important decisions such as these should always go to a referendum, that way it stops all arguments
Let stay as New Zealand. End of story.
@@les8518we didn't have a referendum to use a Dutch name (new zealand) to rename an island that was already inhabited - so why is your opinion valid?
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 even your great great granddaddy wasn’t even a wet dream then , so how the hell was anyone going to ask you. Now you are a piddly percentage of the population, so not that important.
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893because at the time the original inhabitants had been boiled up with some water cress and puha by Maori. So no one can ask them what they prefer. Maori fault no one else's.
@@kyoteybear9439 that's nonsense. All of the inhabitants here are from the same cultural lineage. They all traveresed the Pacific ocean Tonga, Samoa, Hawaii, Rarotonga - they are all the Same people Maori included.
Remember, people have the power, every 3 years. But every day with a boycott. To media you don't agree with. If you want a name change, ask the people. Otherwise build bigger fences at Wellington.
Keep it New Zealand....don't give in to the Marxists.
We're not communist silly bigoted pakeha
Jew Zealand springs to mind ☝🏻😖
@richardrei4341 ....don't know..strange times indeed
Absolutely right
The Maori version of the treaty doesn't mention the word Aotearoa --which is odd
Nor does the English version
I was told by an elder that Aotearoa was in reference to one of the Waka Aotea from the Maori
Migration fleet which landed in the North Island
New Zealand is the name of the new nation that was created by the treaty when many peoples became one
Under one name , one rule of law , one language with every person having equal rights
In 1835, the British resdient Busby organized a coalition of mostly northern chiefs into a Confederation called Te Whakaputunga in Maori [this was short-lived and the first step toward the Teaty of Waitangi in which it's mentioned]. Here was the first time that Maori referred politically and geographically to the whole of New Zealand - He Whakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni. Notice that they used Nu Tireni, which is the Maorification of New Zealand. So Maori themselves used New Zealand/ Nu Tireni when referring to the country as a whole.... Aotearoa came a lot later. New Zealand/ Nu Tireni is the right word to use given historical usage.
i don’t care were this name came from. I will always know this country of ours not just 14%, of a multi cultural country of New Zealanders.
Ate-all-the-moa would be more apt?
Have you noticed our passport name changes? It used to have NZ on the front, then Aotearoa was added underneath in smaller letters, now its Aotearoa at the top with NZ in small letters underneath, nek minit NZ will be removed!
Wow, really fuckin hard to pronounce! (Dumbass)
Firstly New Zealand, and if they need to throw Aotearoa in the mix, then it should come after New Zealand.
Other way around lady. Only natural it goes in chronological order
Would we change all our Serviceman headstones around the world?
NZ is known to the world 🌍 Aotearoa is known to us kiwis, leave it there,If we choose to use either as people who live on the land that's up to us.
“Us kiwis” - birds don’t care and 🥝 are not sentient beings.
not one serviceman, white, Maori, or otherwise has died fighting for Aotearoa, changing New Zealand's name would be sacrilege.
That’s absurd arrogance and sentimentality, a deadly combination.
oh ffs...sacrilege? Do you even know the real meaning of that word or are you just copying some one else who said that and who is as deluded as you?
@@NewZman23 yes i do, and no i am not, as for changing N.Zs name to Aotearoa, the word Aotearoa only includes the north island ffs.
Please don’t call people “pakeha”. I’m a New Zealand European and proud of it.
@@Starlight-mp4pk actually, i agree with your sentiment, so, i altered my post, cheers.
We're like an insecure teenager looking at tattoos and piercings as a substitute for actual character growth.
The treaty used Nu Tirani in the 1840s to identify the land of New Zealand, Maori accepted Nu Tirani or New Zealand in English so why is changing now in post modern era?
Ask us first
For what?
Nah you didnt ask Maori about NZ so the next generation will be inclusively Aotearoa not selfish colonial NZ, once you old racists die out the next generation will be Aotearoa, you cant stop change
He wasn't asking you Stephen he was asking New Zealanders. You excluded yourself from the club.
@@southpacific222 keep of the meth pipe 😆 lol you're not of sound mind
I noticed that when the Guest started to say things the host didn't agree with, he interrupted/spoke over him ... that to me describes the way Media override public opinion! My view on our name as New Zealand ... I knew it was from a dutch explorer hadn't realized he actually said 'Staten land' ... I did know 'Aotearoa' originally referred to only the North Island! should we have a referendum or not I would say WHY??? seems like a storm in a tea cup discussion to me!
Yes, more often than not, sean is disappointed that the content the guest brings, is not what he imagined his listeners could latch on to.
@@Marius_vanderLubbe Fair comment mate!
Lived in Dubai in 2014-2016 for 3 years. About 20% of people I met didn’t know about New Zealand at all.
This Labour Govt and some Maori interpret things the way they want according to what narrative they're spinning that day. I get sick and tired of the constant change of stance they have from year to year, if you watch the money trail it's easy to tell though, feeding from the trough is their way unfortunately and Labour splashes the dollars around liberally in Maori's favour that's for sure.
oh ew, people talk like this about the indigenous people over there, too? They talk like this about Australians first people too. "follow the money" pfffffffffffft. Have some respect for the people of the land that you live on...So gross to basically call them money scabs. You devastate their land and impose systems on everything where money is the only way to survive and then when they need some of it you judge them, get outta here...
Yes and l find this really annoying ....
You actually going to elaborate or you just gonna rant like a madman all day?
@@IcchiNutz Over the last year. The change of Govt has put the Labour largesse to rest thank God, no more handouts that aren't justified.
People from New Zealand were once called New Zealanders, now its Aotearoa they are called kiwis, Its my home and I am a New Zealander not a bird
How come there is no mention of aotearoa in the treaty and the name used for NZ is Nu Tireni.
i think this was explained in the video? at that time aotearoa was used by some iwi for the north island, but it wasn't used for the whole country. the popularity of aotearoa grew later on and has become the most widely accepted reo maori name for this land.
Another good example is Finland - which is known internally by its own people as Suomi.
And by Putin as Russians!
Let the people decide with a vote. Easy.
"Let's put a piece of nonsense into perspective with a narrative that was shared on another page.
New Zealand is NOT Aotearoa.
Pre-1840 the Maoris did not have a name for the whole of New Zealand as they had no sense of a Maori nation - they were¬ just separate warring-with-one-another tribes.
In 1643 the country was named New Zealand by the States-General (Parliament) of Holland and this has been its name for 370 years.
Aotearoa was a fictitious name for New Zealand invented only in 1890 when S. Percy Smith (Stephenson Percy Smith, Colonial subject was a New Zealand ethnologist and surveyor) used it as a make-up name for the whole country in his fictional story of Kupe.
Aotearoa does not appear in the Treaty of Waitangi.
From 1840, the signing of the Treaty up until 1890 the name Aotearoa DID NOT exist.
The name only begun to appear after the 1900’s with greater frequency following S. Percy Smith’s fictional story and its use in of course you guessed it the MEDIA.
The Aotearoa name, a name ‘taken’ from Colonial creation not of Maori origin has been built on factual inaccuracy, and propaganda in an attempt to give it legitimacy within a culture that historically ‘takes’ without due process or consideration for the legality.
To think the so-called Maori name for New Zealand was created by a European is hysterical - oh the irony!
So much so that the Maori, Major Companies and Corporations, and the Government, should pay historic royalties to S. Percy Smith’s family for such use as the name is NOT authentic nor originates from the Maori Language. It is probably now the most commercialized name in New Zealand that originates from S. Percy Smith.
The modern interpretation or meaning of this fictional name sounds more like a coffee - cloud white long, than a legitimate name for an country.
Nor do I believe that legal appropriation was sort for the use of that name from S. Percy Smith’s estate or property.
In future, ask companies (eg, Media, Telecommunications and the Government) whether they have paid royalties for the use of such a European derived name, if not then use our Official Name - New Zealand!
It would be a real laugh if the Percy family claimed Royalties from all those folk and the media, who use the "A......a" term, for every time the word was used."
The way I see it and correct me if I am wrong. You do fight for the flag as that represents sovereignty and therefore Identity ?
We need the discussion I guess like Britain or United Kingdom maybe as long as both are used here
What is the point of getting an expert on to ask questions and then interrupting them with another question before they've finished answering the first?
Time constraints usually and to keep the quest speaker on point.
What happened to your poll on the name of this land?
Has anyone asked what mainlanders think?
Under co-governance, 'aotearoa nueva zimbabwe' may become a more honest moniker...
😂" Lost in Translation" 😂
Interesting. Noticing the push back against the use of Aotearoa, people here preferring New Zealand yet with no difficulty in calling New Zealaders Kiwi's mostly with a sense of pride.
What's your point calling our selves kiwis has no relevance on changing the country's name at all.
Just lucky there were still Kiwi birds here by the time the Europeans arrived I guess, most of everything else including other 'indigenous people' had been wiped out.
@@halbellows8578wow. You still believe that racist rhetoric? The only thing that walked on two legs before Maori did in Aotearoa were the birds. There is no archaelogical evidence to suggest that any other humans (or even hominids) had ever set foot on these islands prior to the Māori
Let the guy answer Sean. Stop butting in.
I have more issues with the interchangeable words used in the media and government documents that blend the two languages. Makes it challenging to read and no one outside ( and I suspect the majority inside) this country have any idea what is being written.
Isn't it interesting how many people of a certain demographic group who speak english, seem to be authorities of words that are not english in origin?
English created te reo
@@StGammon77 😂 ko tenei.... hoki mai ki te kura e hoa 🤣🤣
What happened to Te Ika A Maui?
That means the North Island and Te Waipounamu is the South Island
I thought Maui brought up NZ ?
@@peterthepakeha2799 soooooooooo????
Hahahah
@@peterthepakeha2799 In legend he did. But in fact we know he physically didn't. The legend is a metaphor. To learn more, may I suggest you go to see the excellent Kiwi movie WHETU MARAMA and be enlightened by the late and inspiring Sir Hek Busby. Kia ora. 🙂
Yip, NZ ❤❤❤when i went to school..born in the 60s......is AOTEAROA a male or female? and what is their whakapapa..?? which ARIKI do they come from? NZ as i know her ingoa..and with respect Sean, I know that so long as I'm blessed to have our kuia, kaumatua, we have our own historians whom we belong to.
Thankfully, even if there is an official name...you can still call it what you want!.Awesome.
The first inhabitants (Patupaiarehe) called NZ "Pounamu".
You have no idea that they are a mythical creature, do you?
I wonder what NZ was called 10,000yrs ago 🤔
It didn't have a name as no human being had set foot on the land. New Zealand/Aotearoa was the last major land-mass in the world to be inhabited by humans.
According to Maori literature and Science it has always been called Aotearoa 🤣🤣🤣.
@@jameslast7555 Always? No it hasn't. I'd be interested to know your reference for that?
NZ once attached to Goondwana according to history mapping. ??
There is only one fair answer to this for all people lot this country.a referendum. Nothing else will suffice.
Shaun,how about inteviewing a Putupairehe person . Heaps of them (the nghi hotu) to be found around Tauramanui. When they arrived here in about 236ad they called this land Nukarua. meaning ,"The far away Did Able Tasman ask them if he could change the name.I doubt it.
Thar which we call a rose,by any other name will smell as sweet
It was the NZ Post Office that asked Māori for the original place names in the early 1900’s because the Māori language was in danger of dying out. Very few Māori spoke the language other than those in the remoter parts of the countryside. Of course Māori humour is such that there were many Kai Iwi’s that suddenly appeared on NZ maps.
If we ARE going to be coerced to accept and listen to (mostly media so far) insistence on calling NZ 'Aotearoa' and North Island as XYZ and Auckland as Tamaki Makaurau and on and on.. including everyone on TV and Radio (and in my many emails from various bodies and businesses!!!)... then can we AT LEAST have an agreement a) that BOTH names/terms are used (and thus that one group ie English speakers are NOT excluded or dismissed) and b) that when using both names, we use the MAJORITY-used names/terms first... ie English?
That's how Māori have been doing it since forever. Māori literally will call a place anything (especially if it is of European origin) E.g Hamilton becomes Hamz, Palmerton North is Palmy, Auckland is A mistake. Heck, where do you guys think "chur" came from? Cheers
Eggs on toast
Will always be eggs on toast
Even with bits of shell in it
Okay, so Aotearoa it is
Tea = is white in māori
Mā is white as while or clean or shy depending on the context.
Who cares??????????????????
So does ao = cloud
@@jameslast7555your mum
@@IcchiNutz 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😇
I am quite sure the ‘tea’ in Aotearoa is where the white is from. Cook Island Māori still uses that word for white.
I cant find the name Aotearoa in an atlas.I can find the name New Zealand though.
Good! it needs to take another step. The dispute of an ongoing "Research" of moriori and Maori why some pple don't think there is no first race b4 Maori???.
Because there wasn't. The English simply tried using the Moriori to justify their brutal form of colinisation (newsflash, Moriori are still around)
When I was young (early 70's) the counter culture called the place 'Godzone' taking the piss out of the 'God's own country' lot but New Zealand it it.
Well what do you expect an academic to say? He's more than likely to lose his job if he agrees with 90% of the country. I think it's an outrage that the Labour/Green/TPM govt simply changed the name of the country, in a disgustingly manipulative way, without asking the permission of the citizens. We chucked them out with a resounding thud as soon as we could electorally. Their manipulative name change should go the same way.
10:13 haha poor Paul. He's like "I'm just a historian.. don't pull me into politics pleaaaaase". He dodged well.
What does the Maori Treaty document say for the name for "New Zealand" Its NOT Aotearoa. Its Nu Tirani.
And for the vast majority of our recorded written history, maori were quite partial to Maoriland.
Never discussed that, did this "historian"
Nor did he acknowledge that the word was only used by a small minority in the North Island.
I remember aotearoa being used at times in the fifties, only by way of what the maori called this land when seen from the sea and NOT a universal name, why would they need to name this pace and the land was inhabited by a variety of tribes, NO cohesive people.
My understanding of name Aotearoa is
AO= cloud
TEA= white (an old maori/polynesian word for white)
ROA=Long
Hence the translation as LONG WHITE CLOUD
I have heard that the name was come up by a white man that need to have a name for a book he was writing so had nothing to do with maori.
You heard wrong
Lets make everyone decide once and for all what ethnicity they identify as and make NZdr an official ethnicity rather than just European.
ABC to Z. Great use of the English Alphabet has served ANZ well.
Yet you bastards still use it incorrectly. To the point not half of you can say "Māori"
how about Nu Tiriani as per the treaty.
Ew
Aotearoa was first used by the initial migration (Kupe) and it directly translated to land of the long day, which when you came from the islands which were close enough to the equator that days were only 12 hours long, come down to the southern pacific and now the daylight hours are more like 15 to 18 hours long. it makes sense yet our modern historians (if thats what they are called) seem to toally ignore this.
Umm which part is Day?
Ao: land
Roa : Roa
Te: the
A (belonging term)
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 that version of the name came from an account of the the first wave of maori who came to nz in the Kupe Immigration. the refrence to this i found in a 1918 book of NZ Maori and pakeha history. this was used a reference book for many in the time. Te Reo, as you know never had a written form untill colonisation, so much of the history , including word meaning has changed and morphed over the centuries. i am not denying modern maori's Te Reo does not interupt the word exactly the same as the maori from the first wave of immigration of the maori people.
@@paulsmith3019 New Zealand works for me, let’s have a referendum shall we?
@@paulsmith3019 what a load crap nothing about Maori history is any thing more than Chinese whispers the different tribes cant even agree. Maori history has been written by European academics with the approval of some tribes because it paints them in a good light over the other tribes they were trying to eradicate. European academics just consulted with the dominant tribes and forced it onto the rest of the weaker tribes. And that's our new pc Maori culture we have today academics took a bunch of savage canables and made up a whole culture and now we are all paying through the nose for a load of rubbish end of.
The correct translate for New Zealand is Nu Tireni
No it's not. That is a transliteration. Go back to school and relearn English
Always thought our first name was Zealandia
Only in Karori!
It was named Nieuw Zeeland by Dutch explorer Abel Tasman. Named after his native province Zeeland (meaning land of the Sea) in the Netherlands. Later the British changed the spelling to New Zealand. Zealandia is just the Latin version of Zealand named by geologists in the 1990s to describe the original continent of which New Zealand/Aotearoa is a part, but since a few million years ago most of it is submerged under water. So Zealandia is the continent and Aotearoa is the island that remains above sea level today.
I for one would certainly like to See where this was written down by this so called Maori!!!!
If I were to follow this logic, Game of Thrones is not a fictional universe. Just because it exists in writing doesn't make it true
Didn't northern maori tribes refer to the South Island as Te Wai Pounami [Greenstone place]?
What really is happening is a bunch of professional victims screwing things up like a 5 year old having a tantrum.😡
Tbh Sean I'm sure māori never agreed to the name NZ either so what's your answer? We just listen to you and go along with your whakaaro I'm proud kiwi but I don't look at our flag or our countries name and say yes that's me nooo. Sean you won't be hear in 50 years and the name will probably change by then so just enjoy your life and evolve with the change.
You're a minority so why should you decide?
Call the country what you like to me it is and always will be new Zealand put it on concensus which is going out soon
Their signatures on the treaty would prove otherwise!!!!!
You are repeating a degrading statement being made by nasty maoris about old white people being dead soon and colonialism dying with them. Quite the opposite is actually happening we live longer!!
The people of the Tuamotu Archipelago where a number of ancestoral canoes probably came from, refer to NZ as Ruterangi. Perhaps this name which has more historical significance than Aotearoa should be considered?
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Or you could just listen to the people that actually lived here the longest. Instead of everyone else
@@IcchiNutz check out the links in my original comment, or have you done that already?
One Maori Chief called the North Island Aotearoa. Around that particular time it was highly unlikely that
Maori were interacting with each other on names of the North Island. They were most likely fighting each other.
So I cannot agree with the historian. . Doubtful that anyone know the real reason where the name came from.
Kupe's wife - "he ao, he ao, he Aotearoa"
Translation- "clouds, clouds, long-ass clouds
Because the sun never shines.
Didnt mention the te tiriti version of nu tarini
It’s very rare the that a professor is this interesting and I think it’s very clear that media that are taking money from the government ( nz on air….. ) are being told to use Aotearoa.
My view is this it’s free speech if you want to call it Aotearoa go for it if you want to call it Middle Earth I’ll think your a dork but fill your boots
For me it’s New Zealand and no one will tell me or even force me to say other wise unless I’m also using my free speech and at the same time I’ll not ask anyone to alter their speech.
I think Paul Moon is incorrect. I believe the Māori oral history. According to Māori it was Kupes wife who saw nz first and called it Aotea. The roa was added by pakeha journalists.The pre Māori people of nz called the country Nukuroa.
He ao, he ao, he aotearoa
Translation: clouds, clouds, long-ass clouds.
Both names acceptable officially we are new zealand but in more common usage these days is Aotearoa by design or not it is the way
I was born in a Country named New Zealand, and I would prefer it remain New Zealand. But as a supporter of democracy, I would respect the wishes of a majority of the society, if they wish to change the name. But let's not have cultural change by stealth. Some bureaucrats and I would include much of the media in this group must stop moving their agenda by stealth.
Literal translation from the Dutch- Whenua Moana Hou...
Pakeha own the word new zealand. Maori own the word Aotearoa . Which means land . And that name was giving the explorer maui . Who named it after his wife . In around the 3rd century bc. It is written .
The Land of the LONG WHITE CROWD'......After Feb 6th1840
Why didn't Maori use it in the indigenous version of Te Tiriti?
He is the opposite of what Michael King put in his book History of NZ
The apposite? Then that’s great two historians in a small country agree.
Zealandia became New Zealandia
Professor Moon. l do a lot of research myself on the history of NZ. pre- 1840 The Maoris did not have a name for the whole of New Zealand as they had no sense of a Maori nation - just tribes. Aotearoa" as a fanciful name for NZ began only in 1890 when S. Percy Smith used it as a make up name for the whole country in his fictional story of Kupe. The word Aotearoa did not appear in the Treaty of Waitangi - for obvious reasons.