Sean Plunket shares an excellent article on Māori Language Week
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Modern political maori should read there own history before making comments
Very good call mate...
@@Ricky-nq7lu Sadly there are so many who spout absolute inaccurate, mischievous nonsense without being challenged . A lie repeated often, eventually gains the mantle of truth. That just about says it all.
Good call @Noote... only thing is they are too busy rewriting it to suit their own agendas...
Maori/Europeans..they have forgotten that
Isn't it amazing when the truth is told just shows the political bias in this country and the push to keep the gravy train going
Load of crap is all i heard
@@natedagr8zt Brilliant wasn't it? Good to hear some historic truth for a change. Hhhmmm, triggered are we?
@@sirgus8727 My farts sound more interesting than these dinosaur colonizers, thank god theyre all old and dying off and an inclusive Aotearoa is here to stay forever :))
having political bias in news is gross incompetency when it comes to journalism.
@@natedagr8zt sounds like a activist statement
Languages live and die. It's not my fault that Maori isn't spoken by Maori.
There's nothing wrong with liking and learning te reo. The problem comes when the woke liberal left imbue it with a quasi religious moral dynamic.
Don't want Maori pushed down our throats,as it says in section 78 oranga tameriki to rip whites out of families to be abused.human rights say no abuse,children of all ages should to grow up with parents. I'm not a pakeha,not a kiwi,I'm a European and proud of it.no one tells me what to think, or do.don't forget they ate the mori ori to take over someone else's country.now saying its a myth, when it suits them.go back to China.no wonder people are leaving in droves.
The problem was white people banning Maori in schools back in the day.
@@westsideAUKILANI You obviously didn't watch and listen to the video. You just got taught the true opposite story of your nonsense. Suck it up man, you'll feel better.
@@sirgus8727 don't deny your racist history bud. It makes whatever you say after it irrelevant
@@westsideAUKILANI Absolute rot... most early Chiefs wanted English only at school - they wanted their children to have equal chance in commerce and trade... all non English speakers were treated in the same manner... the early non English speaking Europeans also.... learn the facts and why they were set in place. Te Reo was an invented language - created in 1860 from all the main tribal dialects - expressly to give Maori a united voice in communication and trade with the European....everything was being done to fast track Maori learning so they could achieve in the changing world.... Maori did similar with their total Maori immersion scheme of recent years... no doubt they will have their critics in time - those being critical of how they went about achieving their results! You can only judge history in the times it was created.. the cane and the strap were not considered harsh... most of us old ones can remember "6 of the best" when we stepped out of line at school and most Maori I know got far worse at home! By the way, English was spoken at the treaty table in 1840 - 20 years before Te Reo was even developed... so how is Te Reo the first language?
Turning me against Te Reo frankly. All the sob stories aka Mike McRoberts ridiculous and pathetic, the man is a successful and very well off member of this country. How has he been disadvantaged in his life for being Maori? People celebrate being emotional cry babies and 'victims' and NZer's are no longer the resilient, give it a go, number 8 wire, strong independent people they once were.
Mike M Roberts wearing pink against a pink background on Channel 'Toru' promoting Te Reo seems like an oxymoron for an ethnic group of people who Once We're Warriors...
Cry me a river snowflake 🤧
Just conveniently leaves out that this was because they could see no future with te reo due to the government setting up a culture that it was savagery. Plunked, as usual is full of half a cup of crap
Nice to know at one point you were 100% for te reo
Beautiful stuff that story!.
My grandmother was punished at her Hawkes Bay school pre-WW2 and had her hand tied behind her back (!)...Because she was writing with her left hand. She is left handed.
I was beaten by my teachers in the 1980s for trivial offenses, or just for nothing. I even had one make me stand at the front of the class & she tipped a rubbish bin on my head. And I did not have a single day of primary school where older Maori kids didn't bash me up and steal my lunch because I was Pakeha. So if we're talking historical grievances, let's put them in perspective.
New Zealand these days is primarily a nation of bullies and small minded, petty people. The recent covid debacle proves that. Myself and my Maori wife are grateful to be living in Australia now, away from all this nonsense.
i went through a similar period at intermediate school in Australia, my teacher terrorised me every day because i was an English immigrant, he used to embarrass me and call me a pommy bastard, he sometimes made me stand on my desk and throw questions at me, i eventually wagged school for 3 months, my father found out i was not attending school, but, he never found out why, being an R.S.M. i'd seen him in action and was afraid to tell him because i feared for the teacher and the repercussions that would follow, we eventually moved to N.Z. where i thrived at school, the teachers were so helpful and i soon caught up with my studies, i love N.Z. but unfortunately the present government is turning us into a third world country with an agenda which creates racism, which saddens me.
@@speeddemon9555 I'm glad to hear NZ worked out better for you. I suppose every country has some horrible teachers who hate children!
And that political agenda has crept in everywhere. It seems that a lot of our politicians have graduated from Klaus Schwab's WEF leadership program...Jacinda certainly did.
It's hard to know how best to fight these changes that are rapidly occurring.
Apart from my horrendous school experiences I remember NZ being such a wonderful place to live. We ate seafood all the time, the rivers were clean, there were no homeless people, murders were almost unheard of, we could camp and bush walk anywhere. And we all got along pretty well. The negative political stuff began back around 1984, got really bad in the 90s and it's been pretty much downhill from there apart from a brief respite in the early 2000s.
@@tolsen8212 cheers !
@tolsen... I went to a predominately Maori school in the 1950's and quickly learnt how to survive the Maori bullies... there were 2 types of kids... the real toughs and the fast runners! I was in all the athletic teams at school!!!!! My family arrived here in NZ 1812, 1840, 1860 and all here by 1870. My old Dad born in the early 1900's and a fluent real Maori speaker (not the invented Te Reo) told me... you will learn the Maori is a bully and they fight in gangs they like odds of at least 3 to 4+ of them to one of you ... wait your chance when the ring leader stands alone and show your strength.... it took a while but I finally did this and from then on school was a breeze and I was left alone... it was known I was not an aggressive person but would not be pushed too far and was capable of fighting back. Those days were in the early 1950's and I doubt if much has changed for our kids today!
@@valeriehughes1008 Wow, hearing your story is like listening to my family. Nice to see an old school real kiwi.
In those days, the bullies would have the threat of the cane too, so I think they got progressively worse behaved as punishments were phased out.
My dad went to Whangarei Boys High and he said that if any of the Maori boys got the cane, it was because they bloody deserved it!
Whites got the cane as well.
They probably did
@@judis6224 Hell, I went to a boarding school and I was about the most caned boy there. I'm white.
@@granthunter8450 lm white, I left whangarei boys high in 1970, that last year I had 69 canes. It didn’t do me any harm, I deserved it. It should be bought back, to teach these little pricks that do ram raids and break into cars and so and so, you know the ones who scumbag parents who don’t give a dam, and soft cock governments who don’t believe in punishment. No wonder there is more crime and no respect anymore.
Your old Dad was correct.. I am 80 and the cane or strap was used as discipline ...and many of use oldies remember well getting "6 of the best" when stepping out of line at school in the 1950-60's! It was the discipline of the day and teachers had a great deal of authority ... at the same time the boys all did military cadet training every Friday... marched up and down to shouted orders, learnt to shoot etc ... they loved it ... they dressed in their very hot scratchy uniforms and somehow managed to wear them in the furnace heat of summer.. We were a very disciplined (and law abiding) people in those days - the result of coming out of WW2... while the boys learnt military training the girls were herded off to be taught how to cook up a storm and feed a family of 8 on a shoestring.... something after 57 years of marriage and raising a family I was very glad to have knowledge of!
Almost word for word the recounting of the issue by my husband's grandmother about 20 years ago when she was in her 90s. She was born and raised on a marae in Hawkes Bay, she also personally attended the local Native School.
The political myth is racist hogwash.
Maori wanted their children to be able to foot it in the new world they found themselves in. Simple as that.
@Tina Mitchell. Wow, to have such real history taught to you .......... amazing!
U ARE SO RIGHT Tina
@@sirgus8727 Amazing! people who lived through that period, lucky they are here to regale their actual truth of those times, not what someone has parlayed later for their own advancement
As useful as the Welsh language when travelling in Spain
Or English in Spain
@@BishopNephi69 English is the world language mate
@@Maximustard Sorry to burst your little bubble pumpkin. 7.8 billion inhabitants on earth, 1.35 billion speak English.
@@Maximustard I'm an English teacher.
@@Maximustard lmao english are the lead runners in world wide pedophile statistics and school shootings lol
In listening to the reading of this article, the focus being on having a language hosted upon the majority (by a minority)- who will not or never speak Te Reo, which is highlighted within the article. Alongside this discussion, I will run the scenario of the Chinese People, who have lived in this Country since the Gold rush days, to some extent being perceived as "undesirables", but who "soldiered on" to become a major part of the citizenship that developed across NZ. These were people who spoke either Mandarin and/or Cantonese, more within their own society and/or homes, but went forth and learnt the English Language so that they could converse with the wider population of NZ. An activity that is still practiced today, I know I have worked along side such people. Would they learn Te Reo, probably not because it does not fit with their Social/Cultural norms. Will Pacifica People learn Te Reo, No they have their own language. I think the same will be found with the majority of English speaking Kiwi's.
I have a met a number of Chinese people who speak Te Reo.
replace dudes with Chinese and Flow with speak Te reo th-cam.com/video/1hUrR44RlcY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bUL9jQbVdX6kVpZ2 @@MrAhuapai
@@MrAhuapai How many?
What I’d like to know is why English is not an official language of NZ?
As far as I know, there are three. English, maori and sign. Hope this helps. 🇳🇿NZ
@@markbenge7288 I could be wrong but from various articles I have read there are two. Maori and NZ Sign, English although dominant is de facto by nature.
Lmao english is onenof the 3 official languages but you guys are too busy touching kids to notice 😆
@@november50 that would be a new one as English has always been an official language in NZ.
@@elizabethbradley4301 If you say so.
It might pay to research it further though if you wish to be certain, up to you.
all of what the pages you have read is all part of the history and should be taken into account when decisions are made. to often history is being changed to suit a modern narrative , which has a complete disregard to the process of being on nation, which is what maori asked for in the letter to the king and the treaty,
it behooves me the arrogance of those trying to change what was,
Once again I watch and I learn. Thank you.
I can remember being getting four strokes of the cane for speaking English at high school. At the wrong time , of course. and probably deserved.
We all got flogged at my school.
Great show Sean ...
Love the video and yes you are right as a Māori I’m trying to learn Spanish , Portuguese and Italian why ? because I’d love to go to these countries I’ll pick up Te Reo from the Tv mainly the news if you try and force me into a classroom to learn Te reo you think I’m ganna turn up not on your life ! and that’s the problem those people who are trying to force all nz to learn Te reo will face ,it won’t be mainstream nz that will be the biggest problem but Māori them selves. Is Te reo going to keep our kids safe ? stop them from
joining gangs ? Keep them out of prison? or give them the best start in life possible ? Te reo is not going to solve all of Māoris problems . Those kids that advance in English and Te reo would have done so anyway why because they come from good families that care !.what their kids are doing.
This is well known, therefore, I would like to thank Pakeha for reviving Te Reo Maori, may it continue
This will shock you years ago my late father helped a Maori woman a friend of his called Carol Fleet she died a few years back and she was trying to get her tribes land back from the govt in Coromandel .she told me the real push for te reo to come back in mainstream did not come from the academics of maoridom although further on they had a major hand in it but it really came from Tourist Hotel Corporation of 60s to 70s who were trying market New Zealand to international market and by bringing back Te Reo it would give New Zealand a point of difference..😮
hehe its funny how people hold a grudge about getting the cane, i reckon they just didn't take responsibility about their bad behavior resulting in the cane, i received it in high school and the strap at primary, and i deserved it i was a right little shit, but i always accepted the punishment as it was dished out, oh i did get it once knowing i didn't , but the teacher gave me an apology when the culprit confessed through guilt, but i didn't hold any ill feeling about it, i did learn to change the nylon shorts or undies , doing that reduced thee sting lol. oh and no it didn't make me into a serial sociopath .
😂😂😂 I got it 47 times in form 3...
It's just like kids today, the parents can't believe their little darlings can do anything wrong.
Amazing, fantastic having facts, I had always believed that pakeha had set out to crush the maori language.
As for being strapped and caned, I am of that generation and most of the time is was justified. I am a disrupter and I was caned on a semi regular basis. Never held a grudge and it shut me up at the time
I just had to look to my families to know they wouldn't have done that, it never made sense to me, I don't hate white people, my ancestors who were white spoke maori, my family wasn't perfect but no one's was, why would anyone just think every problem is attributed to another group of people and not themselves, its really irresponsible to encourage this, no self accountability, there's just a few people disgustingly leading us to hate our own ancestors, I mean that's just an awful thing to do to people when your families have done absolutely nothing wrong and all they did was survive and flourish and make the most of an unusual situation like many other people.
@@elizabethbradley4301 why would anyone think that problem was attributed to that one group and not themselves? BECAUSE OF THEIR ACTIONS. You white people love to forget the bullshit of your ancestors. All over the world it's the same. Forget the bad stuff,pretend like it didnt happen.
This guy in this video, he wouldve made a better point by having someone with an opposite point of view. But no, hes talking and you are all lapping it up cos its wat you want to hear
I was a student that was forbidden to speak Maori at school 1950s 1960s and yeah got the cane often.Both my grandparents stood by those principles,my careers.Understanding their reasoning as living in a pakeha world of English made sense then, and to me today
It was the practise of the day... speak English only on the school ground to bring the children into the world of commerce and trade and give them an equal chance in their lives ahead. I am 80 and started my schooling in the late 1940's...went to predominantly Maori schools, achieved a good education and have had a good successful career.... My mother's people.... my grandparents, although born in NZ, whose family came in 1860 to NZ were made to speak English on the school ground also as they were non English speaking Europeans and in the same boat as Maori. Te Reo was adapted in 1860 from all the differing Maori tribal dialects to give a united voice for Maori for trade and communication.... most early Chiefs saw English was the way forward for their children to give them a good successful chance in a very quickly changing world. Interesting that English was spoken at the treaty table in 1840 while Te Reo would not be created until 20 years later. A lot of old tribal elders opposed Te Reo as they saw their own tribal dialects would disappear with time... sadly this has happened in many tribes. Thank you for your great post!
When Maori places of learning employ the practice of ' total immersion ', it's seen as a wonderfully effective way to learn, so why keep complaining when the European run schools did exactly the same thing?
Asian parents tend to speak their own languages at home, and some even send their kids back to their country of origin for a period, to make sure that their kids Asian faces can communicate in a way that is commensurate with their features. If the parents can't be bothered, or consider the language obsolete, the language dies a natural death.
Big thank you for that truth-bomb. Much of that I did not know before, but I have long thought that the functional spread of the Maori language would be more effectively accomplished if we white dudes and dudesses left it to Maoris. Great segment, and a great big thank you to Graham Adams for his writing.
White dudes seem to always forget the bullshit they did to Maori to make them feel that way.
My grandparents were part of the generation that would get punished if caught speaking te reo. Alot of these comments are from guys who are on other videos similar to this one saying, "why do maori hongi, its disgusting, why dont they know how to pronounce their own words properly" big racist vibes coming from this older generation who should be wise but instead the total opposite.
Absolutely awesome to hear the truth!! Bet we wont see this on TV1
Cause it's an opinion piece....we dont have Fox news here in New Zealand sorry buddy
Brilliant Sean. Thanks for reading those pieces out.
Thanks so much Sean...my father was a fluent speaker but refused to teach us because to succeed he said "we had to learn english"...those were his wishes and we were fine with it....my aunties, uncles etc spoke it around us and it never bothered them that we did not.
Pat Ropata And there's your proof. Thanks for your history lesson.
In 1957 in NZ, when I was 13, we were regularly strapped and sometimes caned for something as simple as failing to pronounce a French word properly.
I was born and educational in the northern regions of Spain where most of us are bilingual. The education system wasn't always bilingual nor was the road signs but it was in my time . Am able to speak several languages and so are my children. Because of my inner ability to learning a new language I took a Te Reo Maori course many years ago and even though I do no know all that much I am completely shock how many times am able to notice the " mistakes" the Te Reo teachers make in my children's school work. The incompetence is so obvious that both of my children now in years 7 and 9 are ready to swap Te Reo for any other languages as the teachers seems to not know much of the language they are trying to teach.
Magnificent.
Exactly you dont speak English then your aim is to deliberately get left behind
Excellent balanced appreciation
Oh dear what ever the evil ones do is wrong, we must throw money at it until it goes away.
What an awesome opinion piece. Thanks for reading it on the show. I'm all for the promotion and revitalization of TeReo. But just like anything in life, over promotion normally leads to a bit of rejection
I heard or read a while ago, that in Ireland they tried to implement forced learning of (Gaeilge) and the result was the language was less used and so they stopped forcing it, people always learn better when they are interested and respect what they are being taught. I love that Maori language is alive and growing but this forced uptake beyond cultural boundaries is disrespectful to all of us.
A question I have asked myself years ago was "Is there institutional racism in NZ?" Surprisingly the answer was Yes and there has been, and is still. Encouraged by both the Government and the legacy media. For example we have the All Blacks (multiracial) and the Maori All Blacks (Maori only), yet no Maori white Socks or Maori Black Sticks or Maori Ice Blacks (I hadn't forgotten the ice hockey crowd, settle down). The General Electoral Roll (for all New Zealand citizens) and the Maori Electoral Roll (Maori only). Suggest, just once, the idea of a Pākehā All Blacks or a Pākehā Electoral Roll and the screams of "Racist!" will hound you to your grave all the while completely failing to see the hypocrisy.
One the most despicable acts has been to treat Maori as incapable of achieving success without significant intervention (numerous grants and support organisations specifically tailored and targeted for Maori).
As for the poorer health outcome for Maori: We know that diet has an effect on general health and longevity and that it takes about 500 years to genetically adapt to the different plant life used for nutrition. Why not try the traditional diet (no long pig, please) for Maori and then check the health outcomes? If there is an improvement then maybe, just maybe, we might have a starting point for a tailored health solution.
It will be interesting to see who will decry this post as "RACIST!!!!".
Not me Greg, I agree with you!
I agree as well. Especially on the health issue. Eat like your ancestors.
Not racist just wrong
@@stephenlennon7369 Explain how it is wrong.
@@gregmchurch Racist bigots always say some bullshit followed by "I bet you will call me racist for saying that"
Excellent article. History needs to be kept alive, and not smothered by ideology.
sean , from what i understand with te reo it was written by the early settler to standard there language , because all the tribes spoke different maori language and maori didnt have a written language .
English was not my first language. Im first born generation NZer, my family political refugees I learnt at school. I learnt my first language at the knee. I couldn't read or write it, just interchangeable understood and spoke it. I replied more in English to my family, they understood me and learnt from me too.
I also from a young age read letters, wrote replies, spoke on behalf of and stood up for clarifying misunderstandin between us and
others.
This made me the person I am and my passion for fairness and justice. Not everyone can see two sides nor do they have the opportunity.
Education is vital. All our kids have being sold out... There is no going back to sanity now.
We have crossed the line.
I taught English for ten years in Universities in China and always forbade speaking Chinese in class. The students were so keen to learn as English , ike it was in New Zealand for Maori a hundred years ago, was the key for professional careers rather than the wet markets. However I was always careful to not impose penalties and would have got into trouble if I did. I imagine it was the same in N Z. Maori became bilingual. Their advocacy for English is now called total immersion. The Maori leaders were ahead of their time in understanding that.
❤thanks Sean brilliant article and an easy listen
My mother was brought up in France for her first 5 years. When she returned to England she was smacked for speaking French at school. Teachers were violent back then. It wasn’t an attempt to suppress French. It wasn’t racism.
It's good to hear this, what I know as the truth about my own scottish ancestors who taught English in the 1800's and were fluent in the maori language and were good people have been somewhat defended in this as I was so sick of hearing the absolute lies about everything and the good stories I know of my ancestors relationships with maori at the time. Also if it helps I couldn't get an English scholarship when I was poorer as I wasn't "maori", I actually couldn't believe this. At this point I left school, this institution and the race based views have to stop as you have to acknowledge that at some point every single maori person has been raised in an English, scottish or Irish mixed household. We made evolved cultures and people need to stay out of all of our races, languages and choices in life. It should not be offensive or shocking to anyone that we all evolved in a multicultural setting. Very little of of us wear kilts, go to Roman catholic churches, do Irish dancing or apart of any of these traditions as it's too much doing it all at once, we hope to work,feed our kids,have a roof over our heads, stay safe, love our families more than our traditions, religions or cultures. We make our own independent family cultures and we don't need anyone's interferences. I have no problem with people learning languages but not while lying about and abusing their families and friends as if they don't exist in the present.
Elizabeth, interesting you mentioned about Scottish immigrants, My family members came out to NZ 1850, it was only until recently I learned that they couldn't speak English but Gaelic, so I guess they learned English at the same time as many Maori.
@@andreatodd3095 ah OK that's fun, in my case they spoke English before they came here and were people that taught English to maori, they must have been good with languages, a lot of our family seem to pick up other languages quite quickly but if it's not your job and you are contributing in other ways in more isolated parts away from maori at the time, I imagine it's easier to continue with gaelic etc. My grandmother hasnt mentioned if they spoke gaelic, I'm couldn't say for sure that they did in our case. My great great great grandfather's son, scottish, was one of the architects for the Auckland museum and a few other buildings in Mt Eden that they always try to "tear down" to remove colonialism, I'm really proud of my ancestors, it wasnt an easy time for them but they did their best with 10 kids on an epic journey, I personally think our ancestors and contributions need to be appreciated and also celebrated so that all people, including maori that are related to these people also are allowed to have a sense of pride for these people that they are also connected to so we can all feel proud of ourselves as we used to. We missed out on a lot because of this perception of white people being horrible, i would get told, before I even had a concept of culture, that Irish and Scottish culture sucks by kids my age in South auckland at as young as 7, to be racist at such a young age can only come from home. We were never encouraged to be proud and weren't even told about any of it till recently, my Scottish great great great grandfather that taught English to maori in Whirinaki were absolutely adored that they wanted to swap children, it wasnt in our culture to swap children so they declined but accepted maori names as gifts in their children's names, one after the chief Tautari and one hinemoa but her name was Ina. Mabel Tautari Aimer, completely scottish and another Hinemoa, but totally scottish, however I think they used their parents chosen names as of course it meant more to them having their own birth names in tact, but the sentiment was beautiful. My grandfather spoke maori to the neighbour's all the time, this wasn't weird, I would watch it and enjoy listening to it and trying to learn, people weren't so possessive of the language and so critical of different accents. It's only in the past 50 years that this got going, especially where I was in in South Auckland, our communities were super mixed, super happy, even though we were poor, our govt just railed on our communities in the worst ways when they started separating our families by race, bad mouthing our combined ancestors, its been repulsive to all of us.
Thank for sharing Elizabeth, it's written in history now so there is the proof of our stories.
@@andreatodd3095 as long as they don't remove the stories as apparently they've been trying to do. A lot of histories and stories they are trying to dismiss, I was also told the treaty they are using, the English treaty is not the right version and the real one has been buried somewhere and it does exist but it doesn't suit their current agendas. It sounds weird but with everything I've seen and heard this actually doesn't surprise me, even Winston Peter's talks about referring to the real treaty. The littlewood treaty or something they are trying to trivialize in our govt websites along with everything else shoddy happening at the moment. If the treaty referred to treating everyone equally we would not have race based policies in our govt
@@elizabethbradley4301 please sit down. How many of your ancestors raped and murdered Maori Elizabeth? Oh, that wasnt your family I'm guessing? Riiiiiight because theirs no way you ancestors would do such a thing right? Maybe it was the English or Irish. Let's just pretend like they were all saints and none of what's been discussed. Remember the slave trade? Black birding? That wasnt your ancestors right? Did you ever stop and think maybe their was a reason why Maori felt that way towards your family or whoever? Why is it only the older white generation like the guy talking that have this point of view? You white people also tried to justify that shooting in Christchurch too, you are all of the same evil ilk
Well stated. It s so easy to play the blame game, especially when it fits your own narrative of Colonial oppression. Learn Te Reo or not, no one is holding a gun to your head.
Or shouldn’t be. Haha 🇳🇿NZ
@@markbenge7288 lol so true
I got the wash my mouth with soap treatment at school and Koro would shake his head in agreement!
That was excellent.
Every book I read about Christian missionaries, anywhere, anytime in history, they always learned the native language and endeavoured to translate the scriptures for the people of that area into their dialect. This was done in text but also orally and sometimes recorded on dynamo devices that could be distributed ( the amazing life of Joy Ridderhof for example ) That makes sense right? The missionaries wanted the people to have salvation and freedom in Christ - of course this would be communicated in the native language ....not English or Spanish etc .
100%
When I was at intermediate in 2005, they used to punish us by making us sing maori songs lol.
If there was a fight on the field, our lunch would be cancelled and we'd all have to go to assembly and sings songs for the remainder of our lunch time, all of which were maori
yep, I got the strap and cane several times at school , mainly just for talking in class instead of listening to the teacher 😏 Still waiting for my apology and compensation 🤣🤣
Very well explained and thank you.
Back in the 50’s and 60’s in Australian when I grew up it was mostly the Catholic schools that educated our indigenous people here and I know that they taught English as the preferred language, I am wondering if the same sort of thing happened here?
I do know that the white man has been blamed for trying to eradicate our indigenous peoples language here as well lately, I would like to know if that is really true or maybe it is like happened in NZ.
There is definitely something suspicious going on where all of our freedoms and families are being abused by using our races. Except in NZ we are all quite Integrated at this point, I'm surprised they got away with this here as all maori have british or european families and have mixed communities completely. If the children are being treated differently by the govt in the same communities and they are meant to protect them, this is just very wrong in a modern time where you are aware that our races are totally mixed and we have evolved cultures that we chose. In our mixed families we would never wish these type of policies or bad mouth each others ancestors like our media, govt and agendas for the past 40 years have done. They have gotten too entrenched with trying to change our cultures and interfere in with our personal lives by blaming all of our shortcomings on our race rather than cherishing all of us and leaving us alone to live our lives as we choose. As soon as our personal lives and communities are left alone by the govts, the better
Spot on Sean. Well balanced delivery. Shashi Kapoor MP for The Congress Party in India ( The struggling Left under the Ghandi family) while he is fiercely anti British Colonialism, acknowledged that the English language provided him the doorway to science, advanced economics and politics.
He has the most beautiful English diction possibly in the world.
English journalists, generally female, say he has the sexiest British accent, even surpassing Royalty.
The language must be started in the home.
Really interesting. Thank you
Awaiting the racecards with thousands of paper cuts to try & take you to task re this one,boy have you crossed the gravy train line.!
I got caned at primary school before it was abolished, I’m turning 50 this month.. I’m a SWM … it was for talking (English) in class
Winston Peters as was my dad, were educated in that era where te reo maori was forbidden..very interesting to listen to his memories at a child back then..❤
It's an interesting point. I hear Maori everyday at work, at ceremonies and on TV. However I have only heard it used twice in my life for actual functional conversations. Perhaps there does need to be more emphasis on the home use for Maori people.
The home use? I believe there actually has been and still is a very large emphasis on speaking Maori at home. I remember being encouraged by many of my teachers at kura (school) to speak Te Reo as much as possible, especially at home. We learned a lot of modern Maori vocabulary too, I was able to speak fluently within a year of being surrounded by the language.
I love Maori language week, in fact I really enjoy all language weeks. I find them a lot of fun. Verbal language is just a neat gift we have as humans.
Hence the reason to promote the language more. Gotta start somewhere
@@lunairies I'll be fine with it when there is also english language week where they talk about the origins and celebrate that as well. Being a language that is used less doesn't make it more important. Never seen an english language week, gaelic language week in which a lot of us are from Scotland or Ireland and teaching the origins of English which so few people know. My culture was spat at for generations in the area I was raised in, other people same age as me got to enjoy their cultures freely, a white kid In South Auckland was a shitshow, our govt needs to stop interferring in our cultures and races end of story.
@@elizabethbradley4301 I'm still very keen to learn Norwegian as my grandfather is from Norway, I am also just as interested in my Scottish ancestry too. I've never really understood this kind of defensiveness personally, so I'm sorry for your experience. Tolerance and kindness go a long way, and I hope you and many others can eventually come to embrace all languages with an open heart and open ears despite your experience, on all sides too.
@@lunairies my grandfather and great grandfather spoke maori who were scottish missionaries and english/irish, so as soon as you all stop talking about our ancestors as colonials and like they took away and oppressed maori and apologize for segregating our families and races in govt for the past 40 years and stop prioritising ethnicities in our health system, then I imagine we can all go back to normal as it was before all this racist BS. I should not have been spat at as a child by maori adult extremists because of people just believing that we were all assholes and creating so much hate for white children and people in poorer areas with mixed families. The govt and everyone else needs to stay out of our cultures, families, statistics and languages and do their jobs. This govt have spread so much hurtful BS to so many innocent people in their multicultural and evolved cultures I'm just disgusted. I was in a maori culture group and I'm not maori, i felt embarrassed when I was told I'm too white, I was so innocent to how possessive and rude this culture was and the support it had in berating someone that is white. Then grew up being spat at by racist maoris with a whole lot of idiots saying let's celebrate one lot and crap on the rest. To be honest, learn your languages, don't waste everyone's money celebrating everything, poor people have bigger issues than their race and language and it's called food, mental well being of not having their races used as a project and their families separated by govt, houses to live in and jobs. Govt needs to stay out of peoples cultural lives, culture is and always will be, not compulsory or forced. We choose our cultures and always have. I'm Irish,scottish,welsh,Spanish,norwegian,English,basque,Danish,Swedish and a NZer. When you have to survive and your families are mixed, there is more to life than a regimented culture, we had our communities, they were special and what our govt is representing and doing to our mixed families was horrendous and we would never inflict this upon each other.
Sean can speak te reo quite well keep up the good work unks
A very interesting article. I remember sir Howard Morrison saying he never learned Maori as a child.
Some of my cousins had to learn welsh, they had to learn welsh then speak welsh when learning science, maths etc... , theyve never used it since and should have learnt chinese
I went to school between 1960 - 1972 and was caned all the time. Once i slid down a bannister and was belted with the cane because they said it would needed to be painted more often. 16:47
In 1840, when the Treaty was written there was no such thing as ‘pan-Maori’, therefore there was no such noun as ‘Maori’ in any of the native dialects or indeed the English language. The word ‘maori’ existed, meaning ‘ordinary as opposed to something higher’, an ordinary person as opposed to a Rangatira for example. This is how the word ‘maori’ was used in the Treaty
Looking at all the 1840 documents that make up the Treaty of Waitangi, none of them has the noun “Māori” on them. In every case the word used is “maori”, meaning ordinary.
It is a fact that the Treaty does not mention Māori people at all, therefore they, whoever they are, cannot, under any legislation, get any more or separate rights via the Treaty.
As there was no such thing as Pan Māori in 1840, there was also no such thing as the Māori language. Instead, there were a number of different tribal dialects, and in my mind these were important. However, these dialects were killed off by the Māori academics in universities last century. What we have today is a Māori language which is mostly the English language written with Māori vowels and phonetics.
By all means learn it if you wish, but it is not the native language of New Zealand, it’s a sham.
You are way off and totally wrong, first of all, you are only giving characters to the sound, that are in Te reo, The meaning of the word you didn't have, that was for Maori to give,
Nah yeah......modern stone age mowdy is the real problem. The real problem is that they have no written history so they make it up and blame the rich guy next to them....... Theres nothing wrong with them learning the English inspired Maori language but it's not for all mowdy....like me and my cousins just want to be left alone by everyone......like..... we like driving cars with motors and not like Fred Flintstone chooses to use as a family sedan, too much work on the feet and Wilma catches the bus anyway. Us modern stone age mowdy are better off under the park-here.........we roast pork these days compared to the old days.....we have improved as a people.
😆😆😆 Thanks for making me laugh..."We roast pork these days......" classic Billy T humour.
Where can I get a copy of the article read by Sean?
Are you able to put in a link where we can read it ourselves or download it
Thanks.
Pity you guys aren't on a radio station only internet.
It is very interesting to hear this and in a way it points to the value of commonsense values held in Pakeha society and in Maoridom at that time . I have always had the suspicion that Maori could see the value in the adoption , not only of European technology , but of aspects of the culture , in this case education . At the same time I support the overall effort to save and promote the Maori language while at the same time I have to withstand the way that the media ram it down our throats day and night . That lack of discretion is entirely in keeping with the compulsive virtue signalling they continually indulge in . Still , I like the language . Anyway , we have te reo apparently prospering , but at the same time we have Maori school truancy reported as involving 25% of Maori school children , and I have heard figures a lot higher than that . Ironically , it does appear today that the everyday Maori people who have taken advantage of education in New Zealand actually enjoy better lives than those who have not . These same people may identify as Maori but in fact they represent a cultural Maori / Pakeha blend and I hear many interviews with Maori who talk freely and objectively about their Pakeha side .
ABSOLUTELY correct !👍
I went to school in the uk in the 1950s it was common practice to be given the cane , the slipper or a ruler across the palm of the hand so all this came from the teachers then of course if you gave a bigger school boy some lip you would end up with a thump from him to add to the injury if a teacher witnessed the brawl you both had to visit the head master for a few whacks of the cane to both of you for fighting
I’m sick of kiwis who don’t know any history…be it Maori language, be it moriori (that will get a bite), or even the Minsk agreement. Our schools are indoctrination camps, and people have become lazy. Educate yourself and so much of today’s scams come to light…the ‘war’ in Ukraine, climate claims (out of fuel, out of water, flooded from melting ice, hole in ozone)….of you can’t be bothered remembering what was said 10 years ago I kinda doubt you’re going to bother with 20 years ago or 100 years ago.
Unless tv1 spits it, or stuff or herald print…then it’s fake news.
Seriously, many kiwis are awake, but too many are either thick or lazy (you choose).
The Moriori did get a bite, lots of bites, taken out of them. 😂😂😂 I did start looking at history, but I seem to find so many contradictory stories that it is hard to see the wood for the trees, so I'll just give up. I'll go live in the Philippines and I will leave this country that I came to 56 years ago. I was proud to call it my home, but not anymore. I'm sad about that but I will be better off in the long run.
What I’d like to know is how much has going full throttle on introducing Maori words cost New Zealand in the last few years.
The cost of relabelling govt departments, corporate organisations and councils.
Apparently when the ministry of fisheries changed its name it cost millions as they had to relabel buildings, vehicles, uniforms and stationary. All the old stuff that couldn’t be changed had to be thrown out.
Truth is becoming a rare thing these days, this discussion goes some way in restoring my faith in common sense. Cultures survive when the people of those cultures want them to, attempts to force elements of culture onto others will not work, it just creates resentment and division.
A lot of people (myself included) have problems with English let alone Maori. When I write something I feel it is important to spell correctly. I'm always going to the online dictionary to get the right spelling. If I have Maori impressed upon me I will become more confused in this diverse world. I'm a first generation New Zealander. 77 years old European. I never heard Maori spoken until I was in Auckland doing mt work training. It shocked me. I have no problems with Maori speaking Maori. Only do not force upon me!
If one wants to really get on in this Hi tech complicated world. Then stick to the most common language...English.
Where is the Link to this article ?
Unless this nation crushes the ongoing false narratives promulgated by racits maori minorities wirth political objectives..this nation will entrench the lies they advance..and it will take on a truth of its own.
Are they all in sign language too?
Nice one Sean. Now get him to write about the vaccines so you can learn about that subject too.
Comments in here, shows the level of critical thinking amongst white folk
I take that as a compliment. Thank you.
I'm Maori and this piece doesn't have me thinking critically at all
It's fairly simple to follow
He's only quoting from actual written statements
Men don't have a minister.
Surely it must be considered of such importance that it warrants consideration as a compulsory addition to the corriculum of young maori.
I do not believe maori language studies should be compulsory but should absolutely be an option for anyone should they choose to learn it.
Im maori and follow this show greatly
This is similar to black America as one example
History shows they never fought to be allowed to be more African
But he exact opposite
They fought to be more anglo American
The greatest impact on Te Reo being spoken by NZ Māori was the post war migration from rural to urban areas. This movement from a high concentration of native speakers to an extremely low concentration of speakers was extremely detrimental to language transmission.
It is a feature of our younger generation that they need to assign blame and perhaps abrogate the guilt of an older generation that didn't pass the language on. The hitting of children for speaking the language is a truism that has been elevated to the primary cause so blame can be assigned.
Its also useful to remind those bought up in a corporal punishment free world that being strapped or caned by teachers was customary .Teachers hit children for lots of ridiculous reasons. Speaking Te Reo would of been just one.
My mum told me to learn the English language not, te reo Maori as English being a universal language. She was strapped and caned for speaking Maori in school and got strapped again for speaking English at home. She didn't know whether she was Arthur or Martha.
too many inconvenient truths!!!!
meanwhile Stuff are writing another apology article where they grovel on their knees for years systemic bias against Te Reo.
I don’t speak Maori nor do I have any interest in learning it. I don’t see why I should be forced to learn it. If you want go for it but leave me out of it
What a great column. I'm sure that a few parkiha bashers may go quiet.
I used to speak French, I never use it now and can hardly remember a word, I used to speak Korean, I do not live there now, never use it so cannot remember a word. Both languages I had a need to learn, so did willingly. I have no use for Maori, I can do everything in english here, and better at it so would always use it, I am not learning it to please others, I am too busy. Stop forcing it on me, or exclude me by using it instead of english in news etc.
you are just repeating the mistakes you say the colonials forced on you.
History is just an inconvenient truth that the beneficiaries of said history rail against. How sad and pathetic.
No mana in lying.
How about this then...white kid..primary school..Headmaster stood me at the front of the class do the kids had to say good morning to me because he called me Miss Vanity. All cos my friends were sitting towards the back of the class and I kept looking around...didnt give me a complex😂😂
Read a civilizing mission written by anne salmond
Wow. Truth is hard in the face of the woke leftist social construct for Maori language.
Isn't it ironic how this has happened all over the world not just NZ but world wide buy early colonialists and missionaries to all indigenous cultures
I saw a documenty on the integration of maori children in schools speaking english, which stated the intelligence of the maori and how if one maori would learn english it was not long before all the children were learning and speaking english in that community, it stated how enthusiastic and fast they were at learning and if one learnt english, it was not long before all the kids in that area had learnt it from that one child, quite the contrast to what todays rhetoric tries to state. I do believe Maori was not encouraged in schools and dare say some teachers possibly frowned upon it or punished it, that was and is not the feeling of the nation then or now, seemingly unbeknown to the media companies these days who do little but try to stir racial discontent, seemingly leading to the point of their own culpability
Corporal punishment in schools was common place 150 years ago for any misdemeanour , not just for speaking Maori.
Today in ESOL schools worldwide international students are prohibited or discouraged from speaking their first language.
Today nobody is forcing Maori to learn or speak English and therefore nonmaori should not be forced to learn a non functional language.
Maori language is a low impact, low density language. It’s inadequate and impractical for today’s modern world.
It would be on par with learning a lost Amazonian dialect.
Yes the do gooders did stuff it up plus Ardern,Māori is trying to pass the buck,yes the cane or strap was around,remember it well iam 83.
We all used to get the biff/Cane or what ever in those days. Cripes us Pakeha can't do anything right! We need to stop blaming each other for this and that; we neeed to look forward!
I got t6he Bif as we called it 12 times in the first term at St Kevin's College Redcastle for speaking in class. And in the second Term I got nailed to the Cross for speaking in Class 23 times... did it change me.... yes a little bit....
In the 5th Form I got Nailed 1 by Brother MacErlane, and that hurt.....but that guy was my hero as he was a great Christian Brother...... I never used to read the Birth Deaths and what evers in the News Paper here in Christchurch.... and the only time I did I read about Bro. MacErlanes death, I went to his send off.... he was a great man with a great brain and a true Christian Heart! Times have changed but look at these kids who don't give a shiiite about anything, ram raids when they are 11?????
An example of Maori being treated like an amorphous blob in order to make overly sensitive and reactionary (predominantly boomers) feel better about their innate racist beliefs.
Anyone with an unbiased and inquisitive nature will see the learning of Te Reo to not only be a fascinating journey in itself, but also as a vehicle to better understand and appreciate our unique land and peoples.
Boomers aren't bothered, my mum is more confused as to where all the issues are as they were raised the same, the same opportunities to succeed or fail, were all friends, in the same deschevelled communities, parents with ptsd from the war, my grandfather spoke maori who was white, everyone respected each others languages and family cultures, everything was a choice, very rarely someone was bad mouthed someone for saying something wrong or in a different accent, people started getting beaten and abused for doing the haka even though it was in our cultural sport, no one tried to force a culture onto anyone in any race, we'd moved past rigid cultures and their governments didn't separate their kids by race as it was obviously inappropriate and racist. But this generation has been nasty, just racist, greedy and nasty.
If English was not used to educate young Maori in the early days of colonization I doubt that the Maori race would have advanced very far to be able to live and make progress in the modern world.The only reason a small proportion of Maori dont speak their language is because it is not used in the home .And Pakeha are not to blame for that In other countries -take the Philippines as an example there are many regional languages (and these are not dialects).But the national language of Tagalog is spoken by everyone but nearly all Filipinos speak some English. The rest of my comments are being blocked -the red ink treatment
Absolutely agree! Coming from a country once upon a time under a colonial power, the responsibility of one’s identity not being lost lies with the parents. My son was born here in NZ & grew up in a home where English was not spoken by choice knowing that he would learn English at school whether he liked it or not as it was part of NZ’s school curriculum. English is our second language and we certainly used that to our advantage to integrate in our modern society but we certainly cannot abandon our roots.
Magandang umaga, I agree, I love the Philippines, that's where I'm going to live in about 6 years, and I will learn Tagalog and Bisaya and I will be somewhere I can call home. I will not hear bitching about evil Spanish colonists. I'm out of here, I'm so over all the poor me BS here from the 20% of the 18% of the population, and the politicians. Probably more than 60% of the genetic makeup of people that complain are 'evil white colonist' 😂😂 therefore they do not have grounds for complaint because their 60%+ needs to apologize to their 40% - and then they need to get over themselves.😂😂😂
Like the doco that was shown recently about the way Māori where treaded in Pukekohe in the 1950's-60's. Not saying that this did not exist because it did to some extent, but the story line in this doco is so bent. I know two of the families involved in this who were portrayed as anti Maori. One of them was married to a Maori lady and the other I understand did allot for local Māori. Very sad stuff indeed.
fact
Our Family have no interest in the Maori Language. There are too many other life challenges that need our attention. .
I waa at a maori funeral for my father in law, none of the maori family could speak te reo, so asked the funeral directors to speak english!!!! They spoke maori and no one understood a thing for 4 days,any stories by family was in english, even the wife of the deceased only understood english and asked it to be spoken!!!!! No one in leadership would do this, also on the marae, women weren't allowed to speak...and were encouraged to speak maori but no one could, no where(any other country) would we speak maori.... i got canned and was pakeha, its not only maori were abused, i was stoned as a catholic
Jeez Sean, toughen up and take your medicine. So sensitive!
Storm in a teacup!
Just because some/many Maori also didn't want Te reo taught in schools doesn't make for any Truth Bomb dropped here. -Sean acknowledged there was no National [pakeha] interest to teach Te reo in schools -and Maori didn't protest that!!
Was there, however, institutional racism in NZ? Of course yes.