"This guy had a relationship with Marty Saybrooke... and NONE of you figured out that he wasn't ME?" Funny how one line had everyone in the room scratching their heads...
@@shaunascott643 For those of us who didn't start watching until 2003, Todd DID have a relationship with Marty, and to deny us the validity of everything that happened in 8 years was an unfair way to treat fans. They could have found some other way to have RH be the "real" Todd without denying 8 years of history. Yes, RH should have been discovered to be the "real" Todd to honor RH fans, and RH is a fantastic actor. That character had TWO great actors portray him. But those of us who didn't watch when RH was on deserved a little consideration. They could have had the "switch" happen later somehow. If they could get away with having someone "come back from the dead" with a different face AND a different build, they could have at least tried something different with this. (Seeing the two together, it's impossible to believe any of the characters bought that. A different face, maybe. But a different HEIGHT?) They took the easy way out and hurt fans who didn't start watching until later. It's sad because the writers and TStJ handled the original recast so beautifully. Guess they didn't care that much by the time this happened.
@@do9138 Fear not... there are several clips as to why Todd and Marty should've NEVER been a thing... this is one of them th-cam.com/video/P_n1EwMZ7WE/w-d-xo.html And if history was really taken into consideration, the writers wouldn't have done such a thing. Hell, that's why Howarth left the first time... and the mere fact that he wanted to play Todd for who he was intended to be: a villain.
This one line was just perfection. Especially since RH was always against it. TSJ not being the originator of the character never had an attachment to that part, so this was just perfection!
@@teew3986 There were so many red flags... and I just spotted one now. When Victor said "I thought that if Marty could find some good in me, then I could redeem myself..." and Todd replied "Are you kidding?!" and of course, rightfully so. Roger Howarth, since day 1, always heavily objected Todd being redeemed.
Yes. In the UK there were Two Actresses who played Samantha "Sam" Mitchell on Eastenders. Sam #1 was played by Danielle Westbrook who at one point was the Biggest Young Soap Actress on Eastenders. She left and was replaced by Kim Medcalfe but as good as she was she wasn't Danielle. Sadly Enough Danielle is battling Cancer in real life.
RH was always Todd to me. I didn't connect to TSJ's Todd, but revealing him as Victor made me gain a better appreciation of the character TSJ played. I always used to say the real Todd wouldn't do that throughout TSJ's performance, and then it turned canon. I just wished they would have kept him as Victor because that storyline would have been gold. Todd vs Victor ... epic. But no, we got that stupid who done it instead.
Ya ABC rather have had a whodunit murder mystery in its final months rather than a VLJ vs Todd. I guess they were that confident at the time that the battle would be picked up in the immediate Prospect Park continuation.
Look at Blair snitching on Victor. She never cared for Marty anyways. And then even Victor was like, she had amnesia and Todd was like, but you didn't, what's your excuse? Hello!!!
D O he also pushed Starr down the stairs and while it was an accident he showed no concern for what he did after he pushed her he proceeded to hit cole then walked down the stairs took a seat and said “ your overreacting she’s fine” If that’s good parenting then🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
For those of us who didn't start watching until RH left, the only Todd is TStJ. RH is a fantastic actor, too, but nullifying EVERYTHING that happened to Todd in 8 years was unfair to fans who didn't start watching until later. In addition, it's so unfair that the character was denied a relationship with Marty if he wasn't the man who raped her.
I like to think real Todd does have a special connection with Marty. But that he will never and can never go there because of the gang rape. He'd also be disgusted at the idea or tricking her into sex which is akin to raping her again.
I guess the prison system just conveniently lost the fingerprints from the original Todd the whole time he was in prison...even identical twins have different prints...but I just they just had to waste time and money with the DNA test.
There were a lot if things I wanted for Todd to discover when he came back, about the last 8 years, and the relationship between Victor and Marty was at the top of that list.
I wish they could have kept the OLTL characters on GH much longer. It was great to have the shows merge characters. It turned out to be a wasted opportunity thanks to Prospect Park's BS. The fact that Michael Easton is on his fifth GH character is ridiculous. Bring back the Vampires!
poor victor it's not even his fault for thinking he's todd manning when his mother pretty much brainwashed him and wiped out any chance of him being different from todd with being himself and nothing like todd.
I understand the actor grew up and felt it was time to cut the hair. It makes sense that Todd would as well, at this point in time he is what 50? But we still have the nose and scar.
I can understand but it would've made more sense to work it into the storyline since it's part of "Todd's" character identity. But OLTL had totally abandoned their already questionable attention to detail.
Also love Todd's reaction to vic manipulating starr that she is the reaon all believed he sad todd. . Todd tells her it's not her fault. Starr was just a child then & she wanted her dad back so badly she wanted to belive he returned. So it's Victor guilting starr & todd steps in only concerned she doesn't Blanmw herself.
Also I wonder if the writers did this on purpose but victor said " I locked marty in the room" everyone knows Powell did. Its even a public record from the trial.
I'll give Tea a pass but Blair should've known. Todd even mentioned it in another video. "You gave yourself to him [sex] and you still believed he was me?"
Victor slipped up saying " I locked Marty in at the kad house" no he Didn't it was actually Powell. Loved all their shamed looks about marty & faux Todd setting up a " love shack"
I love all their ashamed reactions about podd setting up a love shack with marty love that blair brought it up. Love that he piggy backed blair saying love shack. Jack ruined this epic scene. I also love viki & blair immediately asking who are u to victor. Starr looked so happy I loved when she said dad to roho. I love how victor tried to guilt starr and todd immediately turned to her and said it's ok knowing she was just a child when she thought it was her dad and probably wanted him back so much she made herself believe . Victor treated starr horribly and starr worshipped her real dad so much she even took his side no matter what even against blair. Oltl did a great job with this they did a horrid job with the 2 jasons. On gh
Watching this is classic Ron Carlivati way of writing. The "Two Todds" from OLTL and this week just one bombshell after another on Days - Justin not bring Alex's father. Carlivati has a wicked way of making perceived truths be absolute and total rubbish.
I do like I do like that show. It's so beautiful. It's so nice, nice and stories about the relationship about love about people get out of prison and all that stuff. Wow. Why you do that. You get out people at prison. You cannot do that but God is blessed by why? Why you do you best? Take somebody's side and you have a good day😮
I Love both Todd's I can't choose the original Todd Manning was a real beast but this Todd Manning aka victor lord Jr definitely made a hell of a mark like a MF I respect them both......
The Two jasons storyline on GH has me wanting to relive the two Todds storyline from OLTL. Aww I miss that show so much. I never really got a chance to see Roger Howarth in his original run on OLTL but I think he is great as Franco on GH but I don't care who TSJ was on OLTL he was the absolute best!!! Ill take Victor over Todd any day.
supersqueak I liked Victor as Todd as well but, he actually didn't fill the shoes of the original Todd Manning trust me, if you'd gotten to see it you would definitely understand what the hype is about.
my take on the situation is that everybody seen what they wanted to see. TSJ passed starr's intense questioning about their early life together. he obviously passed blair's sex and history class. in fact she told him you may have a new face but you are the same old TODD MANNING. when TEA returned he was in legal trouble as she expected and she had to save him
todd and victor we're both monsters through and through but the difference is that todd was actually likeable and he had his relationship with viki and starr to ground him. ironically, todd and victor are the reverse of jason and drew's dynamic on gh (a rehash of the two todds), because Jason was the unlikeable ~stone cold~ and drew, his replacement, was actually the more likeable and level-headed character. (seriously, drew deserved so much better). although i can't help but roll my eyes at the show dragging itself for that *despicable* amnesia storyline when they're the ones who wrote it in the first place. the original marty storyline resonated because of how raw and honest it was, and because todd was never really forgiven, the way it should have stayed. and then the show just shit all over it for shock value. 🙄
Yeah, I didn't start watching until New Year's 2003, so to me, I completely lost my favorite character. I've seen some of RH's portrayal on TH-cam, and yes, he was fantastic. But so was TStJ, and to deny acknowledging everything that happened to that character in 8 years was just wrong and unfair to fans. They could have handled RH being the "real" Todd in a way that didn't wipe out 8 years' history of a character those of us who didn't watch before 2003 loved.
Mitch first came on back in the 80s... and RH's Todd was even involved in that. Mitch was even the one who had Todd beaten and thrown in Victor's tomb (which is how RH wound up leaving a 3rd time).
If I remember the storyline right Todd Manning supposedly died. He returned later with a new face. Now the Todd Manning with the old face is back and they both believe that they are Todd Manning because their mom made the new Todd Manning believe he was Todd.
The original Todd actor(Roger Howarth)left the show so they did a plastic surgery recast(Trevor St John), then after 8 years when the show Howarth was on got cancelled and Howarth came back to OLTL so they wrote the who is the real Todd storyline shown here.
I never liked this Todd (Victor) I could never get into him playing Todd. I always knew it was something off about him and plus he was just so nasty towards his whole family. I know Todd did things in his past but he redeemed himself and never acted like Victor. He was a mean and nasty man lol
Playing "Devil's Advocate" here, literally... I will say that TSJ's Victor (as Todd) had 2 decent years ('04 when he seemed to be Todd, and '06 when he was sent to death row). Everything else could've been taken or left.
@@marcelparker6755 That's a valid point. I think I realized he was off when he didn't care about Starr falling down the stairs, it just seemed so cruel and evil.
Well technically they both did. Todd slept with her before raping her, and Victor did years after. I personally like to think Todd puts Marty on a pedestal that says "never no how" Even if he wanted to, while at the same time being very protective of her.
no he wasn't do u remember when he pushed Starr down the stairs and help Bess to kidnapped Starr's baby or how about when he lyed to everyone that Starr's baby was dead
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This was such a good storyline. Soaps were written far better back then. Such great actors in this scene.
The real Todd was right -- the "relationship" with Marty should've been the first clue that something was very, very wrong.
LaToya Morgan exactly
"This guy had a relationship with Marty Saybrooke... and NONE of you figured out that he wasn't ME?" Funny how one line had everyone in the room scratching their heads...
Todd would never had a relationship with Marity or have sex with her
@@shaunascott643 For those of us who didn't start watching until 2003, Todd DID have a relationship with Marty, and to deny us the validity of everything that happened in 8 years was an unfair way to treat fans. They could have found some other way to have RH be the "real" Todd without denying 8 years of history. Yes, RH should have been discovered to be the "real" Todd to honor RH fans, and RH is a fantastic actor. That character had TWO great actors portray him. But those of us who didn't watch when RH was on deserved a little consideration. They could have had the "switch" happen later somehow. If they could get away with having someone "come back from the dead" with a different face AND a different build, they could have at least tried something different with this. (Seeing the two together, it's impossible to believe any of the characters bought that. A different face, maybe. But a different HEIGHT?) They took the easy way out and hurt fans who didn't start watching until later. It's sad because the writers and TStJ handled the original recast so beautifully. Guess they didn't care that much by the time this happened.
@@do9138 Fear not... there are several clips as to why Todd and Marty should've NEVER been a thing... this is one of them
th-cam.com/video/P_n1EwMZ7WE/w-d-xo.html
And if history was really taken into consideration, the writers wouldn't have done such a thing. Hell, that's why Howarth left the first time... and the mere fact that he wanted to play Todd for who he was intended to be: a villain.
This one line was just perfection. Especially since RH was always against it. TSJ not being the originator of the character never had an attachment to that part, so this was just perfection!
@@teew3986 There were so many red flags... and I just spotted one now. When Victor said "I thought that if Marty could find some good in me, then I could redeem myself..." and Todd replied "Are you kidding?!" and of course, rightfully so. Roger Howarth, since day 1, always heavily objected Todd being redeemed.
Even though Trevor St John did a good job in playing Todd Manning, the fact is that there will only be one Todd Manning.
yep!
Same with Steve Burton (Jason) and Billy Mayer (Fake Jason).
+matthatter56 Miller. Billy Miller.
Yes. In the UK there were Two Actresses who played Samantha "Sam" Mitchell on Eastenders. Sam #1 was played by Danielle Westbrook who at one point was the Biggest Young Soap Actress on Eastenders. She left and was replaced by Kim Medcalfe but as good as she was she wasn't Danielle. Sadly Enough Danielle is battling Cancer in real life.
Yes, and he was played by Trevor St. John.
I love how the show is self aware of the ridiculousness of the two Todds and Marty and everything lol. Roger Howarth is a treasure
If you really had been watching it then, you know how this ends, he was never Todd, he was Victor Lord, Jr.
Roger is TODD!! Always will be!! and i hate Jack!
One of my favorite storylines of all time on OLTL. I truly miss this show
Hey
wish they would bring back all my children and one life to live. my fav soaps
Never noticed Todd looks at Viki and then Blair and says, "You know me." Yes they do! Better than anyone else.
RH was always Todd to me. I didn't connect to TSJ's Todd, but revealing him as Victor made me gain a better appreciation of the character TSJ played. I always used to say the real Todd wouldn't do that throughout TSJ's performance, and then it turned canon. I just wished they would have kept him as Victor because that storyline would have been gold. Todd vs Victor ... epic. But no, we got that stupid who done it instead.
And then the end of its run on ABC turned out to be...hmmm....Quite the twist.
Absolutely I can't believe it ended after this I loved todd rh todd if he wasn't I woulda been so upset
Ya ABC rather have had a whodunit murder mystery in its final months rather than a VLJ vs Todd. I guess they were that confident at the time that the battle would be picked up in the immediate Prospect Park continuation.
Look at Blair snitching on Victor. She never cared for Marty anyways. And then even Victor was like, she had amnesia and Todd was like, but you didn't, what's your excuse? Hello!!!
This was one of the greatest soaps out there, it never should have been murdered by the networks, shame on them 😈😠😵
Todd is not abusive toward kids and Victor is abusive
TStJ's Todd didn't abuse his kids. He tried to choke Starr's boyfriend for what he saw as his taking advantage of Starr.
D O he also pushed Starr down the stairs and while it was an accident he showed no concern for what he did after he pushed her he proceeded to hit cole then walked down the stairs took a seat and said “ your overreacting she’s fine”
If that’s good parenting then🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Vicky love Todd more than Victor
I love looking back and watching this episode over again, it’s always enjoyable. But John with those DNA test results, it’s like a Maury Povich lol!
Todd said it best, Marty and Victor should have been the first clue. There is only one Todd and that is RH.
For those of us who didn't start watching until RH left, the only Todd is TStJ. RH is a fantastic actor, too, but nullifying EVERYTHING that happened to Todd in 8 years was unfair to fans who didn't start watching until later. In addition, it's so unfair that the character was denied a relationship with Marty if he wasn't the man who raped her.
I like to think real Todd does have a special connection with Marty. But that he will never and can never go there because of the gang rape. He'd also be disgusted at the idea or tricking her into sex which is akin to raping her again.
Exactly @@do9138
I miss the heck out of this soap and AMC
Take me back to this era of soaps
I guess the prison system just conveniently lost the fingerprints from the original Todd the whole time he was in prison...even identical twins have different prints...but I just they just had to waste time and money with the DNA test.
Cheryl Bradley same thing they are doing right now on general Hospital
You can tell that Victor, Jr. is scared. He knows the truth deep down.
There were a lot if things I wanted for Todd to discover when he came back, about the last 8 years, and the relationship between Victor and Marty was at the top of that list.
This episode of one life to live is great
I wish they could have kept the OLTL characters on GH much longer. It was great to have the shows merge characters. It turned out to be a wasted opportunity thanks to Prospect Park's BS.
The fact that Michael Easton is on his fifth GH character is ridiculous.
Bring back the Vampires!
They couldn't because of the lawsuit and it mess up a bunch of stories on GH because of it.
poor victor it's not even his fault for thinking he's todd manning when his mother pretty much brainwashed him and wiped out any chance of him being different from todd with being himself and nothing like todd.
johnnyblaze3131 exactly!! But everyone bashing Drew on GH even though he didn’t know either and was brainwashed to believe it also
Weren’t him and Todd twins??
@@Reneebenson yes
@@Anomalous602 thought so
This episode was good lol I remember my sister got me hooked on this show 😂😂😂
Jack is such an awful actor! Loved that OLTL ended w/the real Todd in place!! Roger will always be the one AND ONLY Todd Manning for me!
la214la yeah he a little bitch
And TStJ will always be the one AND ONLY Todd Manning for me.
Me too
RH is the one and only!!!!
Exactly
Roger is,was the BEST
TODD MANNING......& NOW
in GH as the best FRANCO
Ok so I see where general hospital got the Jason/drew storyline from when Steve burton came back lol
*The short hair on Todd still just doesn't resonate.*
I understand the actor grew up and felt it was time to cut the hair. It makes sense that Todd would as well, at this point in time he is what 50? But we still have the nose and scar.
I can understand but it would've made more sense to work it into the storyline since it's part of "Todd's" character identity. But OLTL had totally abandoned their already questionable attention to detail.
I actually felt bad for TSJ through this. There's only one Todd Manning though.
Yeah it's Trevor st john
ughhhh jack is such a bad actor!!!!!!! seriously if oltl returns we need a new jack
Yeah
Also love Todd's reaction to vic manipulating starr that she is the reaon all believed he sad todd. . Todd tells her it's not her fault. Starr was just a child then & she wanted her dad back so badly she wanted to belive he returned. So it's Victor guilting starr & todd steps in only concerned she doesn't Blanmw herself.
Vikki:
If you're my brother; then, who the fuck are you!!!?
😂😂😂l loved my Vikki..
Also I wonder if the writers did this on purpose but victor said " I locked marty in the room" everyone knows Powell did. Its even a public record from the trial.
And the "untainted DNA sample" they had on file? Last time I checked, what happened to Marty was (and I cannot stress this enough) a GANG rape.
I hated that kid Jack...arrgh
I was never a fan of Jack either.
I didn’t like him after what he did to Shane
Did Victor Lord Jr ever explain how he got out of the crypt ?
Todd has the scar.
exactly!
End up of debate!
Facts! And he would NEVER pursue a relationship with Marty.
how did any of Todd's ex's not know who was todd
I'll give Tea a pass but Blair should've known. Todd even mentioned it in another video. "You gave yourself to him [sex] and you still believed he was me?"
Is it just me - or is the actual moment when Todd's DNA results are revealed *edited out* of this video?
Victor slipped up saying " I locked Marty in at the kad house" no he Didn't it was actually Powell. Loved all their shamed looks about marty & faux Todd setting up a " love shack"
I love all their ashamed reactions about podd setting up a love shack with marty love that blair brought it up. Love that he piggy backed blair saying love shack. Jack ruined this epic scene. I also love viki & blair immediately asking who are u to victor. Starr looked so happy I loved when she said dad to roho. I love how victor tried to guilt starr and todd immediately turned to her and said it's ok knowing she was just a child when she thought it was her dad and probably wanted him back so much she made herself believe . Victor treated starr horribly and starr worshipped her real dad so much she even took his side no matter what even against blair. Oltl did a great job with this they did a horrid job with the 2 jasons. On gh
They did the same stunt on GH!!
Watching this is classic Ron Carlivati way of writing. The "Two Todds" from OLTL and this week just one bombshell after another on Days - Justin not bring Alex's father. Carlivati has a wicked way of making perceived truths be absolute and total rubbish.
I do like I do like that show. It's so beautiful. It's so nice, nice and stories about the relationship about love about people get out of prison and all that stuff. Wow. Why you do that. You get out people at prison. You cannot do that but God is blessed by why? Why you do you best? Take somebody's side and you have a good day😮
I Love both Todd's I can't choose the original Todd Manning was a real beast but this Todd Manning aka victor lord Jr definitely made a hell of a mark like a MF I respect them both......
There is only one Todd! It’s the OG if you were ever a fan of the show, there isn’t a question of who the best Todd was.
Can Blair not LOOK at Todd Manning and tell that it is TODD MANNING? (WTH?)
Omg u can tell who's who and not by looks his whole manner would tell u
I didn't know Ted king was on OLTL
The Two jasons storyline on GH has me wanting to relive the two Todds storyline from OLTL. Aww I miss that show so much. I never really got a chance to see Roger Howarth in his original run on OLTL but I think he is great as Franco on GH but I don't care who TSJ was on OLTL he was the absolute best!!! Ill take Victor over Todd any day.
supersqueak
I liked Victor as Todd as well but, he actually didn't fill the shoes of the original Todd Manning trust me, if you'd gotten to see it you would definitely understand what the hype is about.
You gotta watch Roger's scenes from 91-94.
@@amritasengupta5251 '92... he wasn't on in '91
Echoes of Martin Guerre.
As much as I love Roger, I gotta admit that TSJ really grew on me during his stint on the show.
Trvir st john is todd nanning
The silence was extremely loud.
my take on the situation is that everybody seen what they wanted to see. TSJ passed starr's intense questioning about their early life together. he obviously passed blair's sex and history class. in fact she told him you may have a new face but you are the same old TODD MANNING. when TEA returned he was in legal trouble as she expected and she had to save him
I am confused I am going to half to go back a long way I do not remember this complete storyline
i love blair
Poor Victor he is freaking out.
VANG would have been pissed.lol
girrrrrl yessss--- LOL
It was over for me then.
General Hospital currently doing the same thing right now
Yes
todd and victor we're both monsters through and through but the difference is that todd was actually likeable and he had his relationship with viki and starr to ground him. ironically, todd and victor are the reverse of jason and drew's dynamic on gh (a rehash of the two todds), because Jason was the unlikeable ~stone cold~ and drew, his replacement, was actually the more likeable and level-headed character. (seriously, drew deserved so much better). although i can't help but roll my eyes at the show dragging itself for that *despicable* amnesia storyline when they're the ones who wrote it in the first place. the original marty storyline resonated because of how raw and honest it was, and because todd was never really forgiven, the way it should have stayed. and then the show just shit all over it for shock value. 🙄
wait so the Todd manning in the white shirt eventually kills the other one?
Nope.
Nope! He’s not really dead
Alison napped him against his will
I like both Todd but I like Trevor he did it well
I watched back in the early 2000's back when Mitch first came on. This is very confusing
Yeah, I didn't start watching until New Year's 2003, so to me, I completely lost my favorite character. I've seen some of RH's portrayal on TH-cam, and yes, he was fantastic. But so was TStJ, and to deny acknowledging everything that happened to that character in 8 years was just wrong and unfair to fans. They could have handled RH being the "real" Todd in a way that didn't wipe out 8 years' history of a character those of us who didn't watch before 2003 loved.
Mitch first came on back in the 80s... and RH's Todd was even involved in that. Mitch was even the one who had Todd beaten and thrown in Victor's tomb (which is how RH wound up leaving a 3rd time).
Now i am confused..
Can someone clue me in what happened? I never saw this show before
If I remember the storyline right Todd Manning supposedly died. He returned later with a new face. Now the Todd Manning with the old face is back and they both believe that they are Todd Manning because their mom made the new Todd Manning believe he was Todd.
The original Todd actor(Roger Howarth)left the show so they did a plastic surgery recast(Trevor St John), then after 8 years when the show Howarth was on got cancelled and Howarth came back to OLTL so they wrote the who is the real Todd storyline shown here.
They should do this on general hospital with the tale of two Carly’s
they did with Jason and Drew
They did with Jason and Drew and it was terrible.
I loved the real Todd not the fake one so ugly
When they de-Todd-ed Trevor's character, that was the end of OLTL for me. Now I feel free to hate Todd without any guilt.
I never liked this Todd (Victor) I could never get into him playing Todd. I always knew it was something off about him and plus he was just so nasty towards his whole family. I know Todd did things in his past but he redeemed himself and never acted like Victor. He was a mean and nasty man lol
Playing "Devil's Advocate" here, literally... I will say that TSJ's Victor (as Todd) had 2 decent years ('04 when he seemed to be Todd, and '06 when he was sent to death row). Everything else could've been taken or left.
@@marcelparker6755 That's a valid point. I think I realized he was off when he didn't care about Starr falling down the stairs, it just seemed so cruel and evil.
Victor.
Was Todd jealous of victor because he sleep with Marty ?
Well technically they both did. Todd slept with her before raping her, and Victor did years after.
I personally like to think Todd puts Marty on a pedestal that says "never no how" Even if he wanted to, while at the same time being very protective of her.
Not in this scene. Todd said what many fans were thinking for years.
Thank GOD RH, this guy was the WORST!!!!!
Victor is way better than Todd!!!
no he's not
Victor was the only good "Todd".
no he wasn't do u remember when he pushed Starr down the stairs and help Bess to kidnapped Starr's baby or how about when he lyed to everyone that Starr's baby was dead
Idc what anybody says Victor is MY Todd.
He was a good daddy and uncle.
Got punished for Todds's crimes. Brainwashed.
idk. I just love him.