The Forehand Fix, Getting Rid Of The Concrete Elbow - Tennis Lesson
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Today we show you how to fix the concrete elbow that impairs your forehand. This video is for players with a PlayYourcourt rating of 80 and below.
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Vic Braden was teaching the 'elbow up' way back in the 1970s ..
The Future of Tennis - Vic Braden & Bill Bruns
I don't see the problem with elbow at shoulder level during the backswing. Tons of good forehands with that technique which is more stylistic than fondamental.
Bent arm is the key.
Good lesson. Not a lot of people teach the hitting arm position. Produces a more compact swing, more precision, and acceleration of the hand. Nice!
Thank ya sir, glad your enjoiyed it!
I’ve heard exactly the opposite, keep the elbow high improves, power and shorter swing?
It does if hitting with more what would be considered a "next gen:" style. For those that use a more traditonal forehand style, lifting the elbow is often a result of tension and can be detrimental to the perfromance of the forehand
Yeah. I’ve been using the technique he’s suggesting here and my elbow gets too close to the body. You don’t generate that much racquet speed compared to keeping your elbow higher and racquet slightly inverted from what I tried as well. Don’t have to have the elbow as high as shoulder but slightly elevated does help with a bit of inversion. I’m an intermediate player and you don’t need to be advanced to try this but will take practice like everything!
This was excellent
Great content thanks!
Happy and healthy 2020!!
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Is the wrist position maintained on the L created between the racket and forearm at the beginning of the setup maintained into the drop/extension and into contact?
Thanks. But seems to go against Alcaraz and Kyrgios elbow position. Can you explain...
Leading with the elbow on the take back is something that has become very common in the last half decade and was even seen by the likes of Lendl and Sampras. This instruction was in regards to those playing with a modern forehand where the elbow stay much lower and flarring the elbow can be detrimental to the stroke. Times have changed with the prominence of the 'next gen" forehand leaving this video needing a discalimer. Hope this explanantion helps
the better way to articulate is "forearm in front of shoulder vs above shoulder, notice forearm, the small part of your arm"
Fed does drop his racket quickly when he warms up but during match play he pulls his racket further back at 45 degrees. I follow this method and other pros copy it to create a lot of racket head speed.
Great lesson, thank you!
Glad it helped!
Thanx, really good instructions!
Thanks Chris, much appreciated!
Grande!!!!
Along with adjusting my grip,this lesson helped my forehand get a lot more topspin and accuracy tonight! 😁
David W very cool, thrilled to hear the instruction helped! Thanks for the feedback.
@@Playyourcourt so I play A LOT of cardio tennis (orange balls) and I find that it is more difficult to hit really solid ground strokes with those than it is with yellow balls. Hit with yellow balls on Saturday and was rocking my forehand. The difference was stunning.
You need to reach on the back lift a little, as it opens the chest and then you can lift yourself above the ball, centre yourself and direct your momentum.
Now you are ready to play a shot.
The take back in tennis seems to be most of the art at my level. The confidence in positioning allows strokeplay and builds court awareness.
Competition is the foundation of tennis.
Hi, great video! Could this also be an issue on the backhand, creating a lack of spin on that side too?
Yes, absolutely
Thx for the video. Ivan Lendl had this high elbow, and is known for one of the best fh of all time. What am I missing?
Eddy de Boer that he did, as does many of the next gen players of today. The high take back is a preferred method for many advanced players. When playing with the traditional forehand that we saw predominantly through the 90’s, on the WTA, and few ATP players (Djockovic) the elbow floating can be a technical hindrance. It’s here that it’s referred to as concrete elbow. Great question, Hope this helps.
@@Playyourcourt good video. Regarding Lendl's (and Sampras' especially) FH's, what would you say is the key to making the high elbow take-back work and not be a hinderance?
that forehand drop after the unit turning might fix my hand pain.
Looks super efortless,Is this diferent fromR . Mazies advice of "elevating the elbow"
Amazing tip, despite doing the right unit turn I always felt like my racket/elbow was locked up and that there was not enough power, now it all makes sense, thank you good coach!
Glad it helped! Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
Please make your audio volume higher... It's lower than most videos 😔
kenmagg sorry about that, we’ll make sure the audio is correct moving forward.
kenmagg audio seems fine to me
So what’s the catch with players like Nick Kyrgios, who can raise the elbow high and still make the forehand work? I think you alluded to it briefly
Freak athletes. Every sport has top performing individuals that defy standard technique because freaky athleticism.
Well all of the pros are freak athletes but that doesn't explain the difference. These are two very different modern day forehands. Sock and Kyrgios both have a shotgun style forehand with a very western grip and tons of racket head movement. Roger's is more conservative in that sense because he uses a more semi-western forehand grip. There's too much to type here to compare the two but they are quite different. I think this instructor is kind of conflating the two and then his demo has almost no lag. To hit the shotgun/rifle style forehand you really do have to have a high leading elbow and then very quickly drop it to get the racket face to square up to the ball. This offers immense torque and produces tons of spin but execution is so difficult for the average player.
@@TyRaff it's not athleticism, it's just technique they figured out when young, and have kept it since - sure it looks a bit more unorthodox, but these days it's becoming very common at all levels
people like Nadal, Kyrgios, even Bjorn Borg etc. are just examples of people who do what feels comfortable, or provides them the best results, even if it doesn't follow the textbook standard technique, and show that it works
This video is incorrect nick kygrios uses that elbow not everyone does but it’s a new kind of forehand watch the video by top tennis training about the changes in forehand through time
Just to clarify, as indicated in the beginning of the video, this instruction is intended for PYC players 80 and below (4.5 and below). At this skill level we typically see the traditional forehand being used. The “next Gen” forehand as used by Kyrigos, is not applicable to intermediate / advanced players. This forehand does utilize a swing with the elbow much higher. Concrete elbow is when the joint position on the forehand stiffens due to the elbow floating on the traditional forehand. It doesn’t necessarily apply to the next gen forehand however. A lot of good feedback here, just wanted to clarify who the instruction was intended for. Thanks for watching and the dialogue. 🤙🏼💯
Main point is keeping takeback level in order to get into sidearm position easier? Should have filmed from behind, since everyone is talking about compact swing and this makes it look like your backswing is giant. Sort of 'unfocused' video; no main points, too long, also hitting on ball machine have no idea what you're trying to illustrate....
What about high balls? You do not wanna drop the racket that low
David Davids that you don’t. The racquet should remain slightly lower than the wrist but we want to take the swing much higher. Great question. Thanks for watching and the feedback.
Not everyone is playing with an semi western grip
Hans van Vlijmen this is true, although the same biomechanics apply to the eastern or western grip as well. Thanks for watching!
This is incorrect kygrios literally uses that concrete elbow and you’re righ his swing path is almost up to down but what you guys are wrong about is that nick kygrios forehand actually generates the most power and spin, more than Federer, Federer’s swing is more like what you guys were showing but the concrete elbow is a new type of forehand that’s very effective. Watch the video forehands changing through the years by top tennis training
Colin Byer appreciate the feedback but we stated in the beginning of the video the instruction is for intermediate players 4.0 and below. (PYC rating) The next gen forehand you’re referencing ie: Kyrgios does use a high take back. The concrete elbow is something that we commonly see happen with the traditional forehand (WTA, Djockovic) where the elbow floates through the swing. Hope this clarifies things. Thanks for watching, always appreciate the feedback. 👍🏼
.. so what we're talking about is .. and basically, here we are and what we're talking about is what we're going to be talking about and maybe doing it later, but meanwhile what we're talking about .. 💤😴
Rude...but fair. We're all grown up now...this was year one, heck maybe month one
maybe you know what you are talking about, but terrible in articulate what you really mean
"articulating". my grammar is on point though 😉