At the start of the show you get the impression that Howard is this arrogant, entitled dude that keeps Jimmy down for no reason. The truth is Howard is probably the best person in the BCS universe.
That makes a lot of sense. It seemed that Jimmy resented Howard for having the friendship and respect of his brother that he never got, so he enjoyed constantly humiliating him and making him look like a degenerate.
@@Mastakilla91 I think the other side might say that jimmy's "style" of "moving on" was to restlessly continue in his hustle which is what this series is about in a way.
@@DeletedDenizen No, he does not, we see at the season 4 finale when he breaks down in his car how he is still in a lot of emotional pain and in bagman he refuses to wear the space blanket and prefers to be cold because it reminds him of chuck. Chuck left a scar in jimmy that won’t go away that easy.
@@Mastakilla91 He is remorsed as hell but the way he deals with it is just trying to ignore those emotions. Him trying to ignore his brother and pretending he is ok just shows how deeply it still hurts him to think about his brother.
@@msitaramaraju it was the last traw that broke the camels back but jimmy gets all the credit for chucks death or he’ll we could prolly blame chuck jimmy might have been a respectable member of society if chuck didint always try to bring jimmy down nd refusing to acknowledge jimmys efforts to change
I went from despising Howard in season 1 to feeling genuinely empathetic and understanding of him. Some of the greatest character development I've ever seen, honestly.
You know, watching breaking bad and seeing who saul actually is and how he defend a bunch of clearly guilty criminals, when howard is antagonizing jimmy i actually root for him and chucky.
@@marksantiago9841 Well it is partially chuck’s fault for that. He failed to see that Jimmy saw him as his hero and idol, and thought very loudly that Jimmy would never change. When you’re told that by the only person you’ve ever looked up to and even start to be responsible for their death, you start to lose your purpose and good will which is how Saul was born. If Chuck hadn’t been so cold then they would’ve actually worked together like Jimmy wanted in the first place. Saul *is* who Jimmy is, but he wanted so desperately to be shown otherwise and all he got was scorn.
This is the cruellest thing Jimmy has done. He KNOWS what happened is his fault. He either feels guilty about it or he doesn't care at all and just lets Howard embody all this guilt and pain, and then proceeds to revel in it. It's sickening.
I think this was Jimmy's conflicted nature at it's core. Jimmy seemed actually hesitant and a little shocked when Howard mentioned the insurance thing as being a catalyst; I think this scene embodies Slippin' Jimmy taking over, seeing an easy and unexpected out in terms of handing off the guilt to Howard whether he deserved it or not. This was a way to push the real Jimmy down deep inside and just allowing Howard to be the villain even if at this point he knew that wasn't true.
Better call Saul was set to be just another spinoff show… instead it lived up to its predecessor, and in some ways surpassed it. Some of the most beautiful acting in TV history.
Spoiler alert After breaking bad finishes, I feel like it's him who didn't get out clean - at least Howard still has his life, and most of all, I'm sure Howard will come to terms with his part and realize that what happened happened and end up finding peace
@@thetruthlies7 I think I saw it in a clip, you're good man - even if I had, I have no plans on watching it I invested too much time in breaking bad already so I just watch little clips on TH-cam.
He's the Skyler of BCS. He has what the main character claims to have and so much more he's mostly in the right and eventhough not perfect (because no one is), at least trying his best. Yet because of the framing of the show, at least on the surface of things, the main character looks good and he looks bad. Only when you actually start thinking about them you realize that Howard and Skyler are the good guys while Jimmy and Walt are the problem.
@@EvolutionArchive23 You are hilariously incapable of critical thought. She is everything Walt claims to be: strong, smart, caring for her family. But just because incels like you can't accept that, there exists this uninformed movement of hatred.
@@EvolutionArchive23 lol. I too, also hate skyler. to put it into more delicate terms, she was only good the most mundane of ways. If and when she was pushed, she railed and deflected all problems back to Walt. She did not put the effort that a brave person would.
@@DrZaius3141 I don't know man, Skyler cheated on Walt, then used Walt's drug money to give it to her ex lover, whom ended up using it for his own selfish reasons rather than obeying the law. Sure, it's drug money, bad money, illegal money, but it wasn't her money, it was Walt's. Is she a bad person? No. Is Walt a better person than her? No. But let's not pretend Skyler was the Messiah of the show.
“We had a disagreement” Yeah like you suggested a teaching job, and Chuck immediately tried to sue you for 8 million dollars thus destroying your father’s legacy and putting hundreds of people out of work.
“Suggested” one thing about suggestions is you could say no. Chuck couldn’t say no. Howard unofficially fired chuck, and then chuck threatened to sue. Howard was definitely in the wrong there.
@@Gabe791 actually, Howard wasn't. Chuck was an obvious liability. In banking, banks knew about 5 years before Michael Burry's assessment of CDO market before the first CDS deal was made. CHuck was a liability but he wasn't just risky enough. Now that it's blown out fo proportion, Chuck should've seen his end. Keep defending the sociopathic monster who justifies himself with "THE RIGHT WAY TO LOVE MY BLOOD"
@@Gabe791 Is this a joke? Keeping Chuck would have meant that the malpractice insurance premiums would have *DOUBLED for EVERY single lawyer in the entire firm!* Chuck had to go no matter what. Chuck should have swallowed his pride, and simply retired.
Yep. Howard’s spiral into depression and insomnia begins right here, in the flat, being honest with Jimmy and Kim. The next time he comes here, he’s just as honest and upfront with him, but it’s not because he wants to be helpful, it’s because he’s confronting with them with who they really are. And then he dies.
@Tuscan417 caught up in one of the worst sibling rivalries that doesn’t involve a demon named Sparda and just kept getting dealt the worst hand for being on the wrong side, unknowingly
@@lunch77 To be fair, it looks as though Jim is seeing Kim taking things too far. He's all for pranking Howard, but not sabotaging his career like Kim seemingly wants to do.
Jimmy turning into Saul has always been about suppressing guilt, grief and trauma. This is the first and most key moment of emotional suppressing. You can see early in the episode that he is grieving for Chuck, but the moment he realises he was substantially responsible for the circumstances, his demeanour shifts completely. It would be too much to handle the guilt, so he just chooses not to and suppresses. This isn't the moment that Saul was born, but it's definitely the moment that any kindness or compassion that Jimmy once had (for anyone but Kim) died for good.
along with the whistling, etc, he's pretending (or perhaps even denying to himself) that he cares about the fact that it was actually a suicide, howards supposed guilt or even his own responsibility in pushing chuck to the brink via his own actions that directly raised HHM's insurance rates
@@krollic he’s happy that there is someone else to take the blame and that no one has a clue about what he did……. Seeing Howard suffer allows him to push his true feelings about Chucks death away
@@carson11100 or may be he's feeling proud for being responsible for Chuck's death, kind of having his revenge realized. In either case in this moment we can see the dark side of Jimmy surface
It's ironic how this scene is Jimmy being cruel to Howard, letting him believe that he is solely responsible for Chuck's death, but in the long run, Howard goes to therapy, works through his guilt, and is able to move past it, which just makes Jimmy even more jealous, because he was able to process the guilt in a healthy and productive manner, something that Jimmy was never able to do.
Ironic that in the end, Jimmy became worse than Chuck was. People think Jimmy was always a monster, but seriously doubt that, he became that way, he literally changes into an immoral monster, something that proved his brother wrong about how people don’t change. It’s just ironic that Chuck actually caused him to become what Chuck accused Jimmy of being.
@@lucasdamotta Stop using words you don't understand. Jimmy is not a psychopath by any means, neither is Kim. They are both fully capable of being empathetic and displayed it several times throughout the series. Just say they are bad selfish people and leave it at that.
Chuck may have been right but he was lacking in compassion. The times he did show compassion, it was revealed, were mostly feigned. You got the feeling that even though Jimmy is a very flawed character, he's capable of feeling compassion and empathy, even if it's usually delayed.
brothers usually are not very compassionate towards each other. in fact there feeling are usually the opposite. the number of falling outs among brothers is a lot more than the number of close bonds.
@@whyohwhy9679 I thought that last moment was a good illustration why Chuck finds things unfair as well; whereas he was willing to sit there, hungry and grumpy, to make sure there was no chance their mother would die alone, Jimmy took a shortcut and just went for food when he was hungry. So when she actually has her last waking, dying moment, Chuck actually put in the work to be there. So it feels completely unfair that even in her last dying moment, she wanted to talk to jimmy and not him.
Re-watching this scene, you can see Jim was obviously interested in the bit about HHM's insurance perhaps initially feeling guilty over his role (because he was the one that pointed their insurance coverage in Chuck's direction ie. Jim "accidently" let slip Chuck's testimony at the bar), but when Howard revealed that he was the one that forced Chuck out as a result, Jim used that as his way out (ie. his loophole to get around his role for the whole insurance situation), and this is why he started doing all those pranks to Howard, a way of getting back at him, as Jimmy saw it (his distortion of it anyways).
Re-watching it too in preparation for Season 6. This is totally the case. It would make sense something in Jimmy's mind to immediately pump the breaks from feeling the immediate guilt of knowing that you had a hand in your own brothers death. Like you pointed out - he used Howard's "confession" as a get out of jail card to remove himself from that equation. Self protection. Anything to spare ourselves from the overbearing guilt.
Despite his demeanor, Howard genuinely wanted to help. He never wanted any of this and to see that he thought this is the worst thing he ever experienced is heartbreaking.
Howard really tried to be a bro to both Jimmy and Chuck, he dealt with so much of their sibling drama that he was practically family, but neither of them were ever grateful to him. He embodied excellence and fortitude but they both constantly tore Howard down when they were hurting each other.
IMO Show jumped the shark on that one. They might as well had howard hit by a bus. Wrong place at wrong time, the character should have grown old with his crosses and successes.
@@hifiandrewIf it wasn't a prequel to BrBa he probably would have. Show had to jump the shark somewhere. I just wish it hadn't jumped the shark just for Lalo to die to plot armor before slamming the brakes on for 4 hours of nippy peak.
Since Jimmy got all the malpractice insurance premium stuff going, this just reminded me of how toxic his and Chuck’s relationship was, that he let Howard bear the brunt of the burden of guilt.
Show jumped the shark on that one. They might as well had howard hit by a bus. Wrong place at wrong time, the character should have grown old with his crosses and successes.
Howard really is an interesting character. There’s times like this when I feel bad for him, because here he was really trying to make Jimmy feel better. Then I think about how he was a scumbag to Kim earlier on in the show, and he was kind of spineless and just operating as Chuck’s lapdog to get to Jimmy. But he has shown signs of being a good person down the stretch, I’m worried for what’s gonna happen to him in season 6.
We will never know what would have happened if Kim stayed at HHM, but Howard probably thought he's doing Kim favor with the cold treatment, sort of with a "tough love". Either pushing her out of the company or forcing her to prove herself. Sure, she acquired Mesa Verde, but redemption doesn't happen in a matter of days, not after a major fuck up. I'd be willing to bet she'd eventually be given her old job back if she showed humility and way more patience.
Chuck had a hold on him because he knew his father and mentored him into becoming who he is. Those ties go deep, that’s the reason he was under Chuck’s control the whole time.
@@mac1991seth Going by how she manipulated Kevin in collusion with Jimmy at Mesa Verde ( for the location change ) and treated Her next employer ( Rich ) for basically suggesting what was essentially true , her getting out of HHM was good for the firm. She's a manipulating,colluding, driven, morally perverse person that would be toxic to any firm even if she's extremely committed and hard working . Someone like her is bound to have a lot of what she does come back to bite it's just not worth it for any company.
This scene always breaks my heart. You can see Howard can’t stand the overwhelming guilt, he mourns Chuck but still cares about Jimmy. He deserved almost nothing he went through during season 6
wow, there's a lot in that scene and Jimmy smiling through that aquarium reveals so much. He planted the insurance problem and shows his content that this bomb went off like he never would have thought and on top his main rival takes the guilt.
Jimmy never intended to kill chuck, he’s obviously not actually happy in this scene. He is pretending to be ok because he can’t accept the fact that he indirectly killed his brother and that is tormenting him.
No disrespect to you at all my friend, because so many people post the same thing, but this Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul “this is the moment when” meme is getting old. Jimmy IS Saul. Walter White IS Heisenberg. It’s called an alias. They may have changed as people a bit over the course of each series, but everyone reads too much into the whole alter ego/alias thing. Again, no disrespect intended towards you. I just wish people would reconsider how they view this whole alter ego thing.
@@UkeleleStoner1992 you don't think people perhaps choose an alias to mark a change in their character and worldview? WW certainly wasn't Heisenberg prior to the start of Breaking Bad.
Its here that Saul is born. Saul is allowed to exist so Jimmy doesnt have to feel guilt about what he did to his brother. As he says in the finale he was the one who ran away. This was that first step. Jimmy has true regrets, but buries them under Saul. Saul doesnt have to care, doesnt have to feel, doesnt have to regret or take accountability. Thats why in the final moments in the court he takes back the McGill name- he admits his biggest regret, the one thing he wished he could take back- canceling the insurance and causing his brother to kill himself.
i think saul was always there since he stole from his dad's register...chuck being dead was the moment jimmy died if anything imo. the last bit of love and care he had for his brother was gone in the wind once he got confirmation he died as soon as he saw the truck chuck's body was in. chuck's death mirrored the ending of crawl space in breaking bad in other words...
I do feel sorry for Howard and he 100% made the right decision in trying to force Chuck out, which he should've done far sooner. But I just totally get Jimmy. You're so utterly disgusted, so utterly DONE with a family member, it's basically impossible to feel anything about them anymore. It just takes too much out of you.
The real reason of the actions of jimmy was that in reality, it was not Howard’s fault. It was jimmy. He literally told insurance company what happened that day. And let them know about chucks mental health. He did it on purpose, willingly. When he hears that was the sole reason Howard kicking his brother out, he knew he caused his brothers end. He was the real reason. But he passed the ball to Howard and changed the topic in his head to not think about it.
@@borris3768 Nah. I wouldn't even ask, because then I'd just be a magnet for creeps like you. It's great you've never experienced true family dysfunction, but maybe if you move out of your mommy's basement someday, you'll learn some hard realities.
@@ozgesekerci8815It was also Chuck's fault as well since he was warned not to take Jimmy to court plus even if Jimmy didn't go to the insurance they still would've found out about Chuck's medical condition and lashing out in court.
2:26 This part was the straw that broke the camel's back and Jimmy stopped being a good person and became the monster that no one wanted to believe. I don't even know if Jimmy cares about his brother, but rather, I hate his family ever since.
Jimmy lost sympathy at this point and this is very heartbreaking for howard after all, he did what he thinks the best way to do. He didnt deserve a brutal end. I guess howard's death will be jimmy's cross to bear
Just watched this scene, entered TH-cam and got spoilers 🤦🏿. Anyways, I agree with you about Jimmy. He's not a good person in any shape or form and this scene proves it.
The reason Jimmy is indifferent to Howard instead of having pity is that Jimmy found out that Howard was acting as the fall guy for Chuck's vendetta. He could have came clean about Chuck using him to get at Jimmy but he chose to try and keep Chuck's honor intact. Another lie. For that, Jimmy couldn't care less about Howard.
Interesting to note how just a couple episodes prior (I think the same day in-universe as Chuck's death) Jimmy felt bad for putting the old ladies against one another to get the Sandpiper money, so he came clean with them at the cost of his reputation.
No, the moment he is displayed on by his true colors. Jimmy was a bad person. He was no Walter White but he was bad enough to deserve a worse fate than the one he gets.
This isn’t Jimmy being vengeful or spiteful. The last conversation Chuck ever had with him was Chuck telling him that he shouldn’t bother living with regrets over the things he’s done, because he’ll always hurt everyone around him regardless of what he does. In this scene, Jimmy finally takes Chuck’s advice. He embraces the version of him that his brother always believed he was. But this time, he won’t bother living with any guilt or regret.
Through all the theories and speculation it really just comes down to Jimmy being extremely confused on what he should feel about Chuck. Everyone assumes he cares about his death but how can you assume that after Chuck said “I never really cared about you”. Chuck was a legitimately horrible person
Jimmy feeding the fish reminded me of Tony Soprano feeding the ducks in his pool. Something about how "criminals" have big hearts towards animals, when their affection towards humans is lacking. It fits here so im sure its the same kinda deal. They are the same kind of Anti-Hero
The reason Jimmy reacts in such a strange way is that he personally feels guilty for causing the insurance situation which ultimately led to Chuck's death. He's acknowledging that it's his *own* cross to bear, as well. He can't go into details on the difficult subject matter so he changed the subject to being light-hearted and making coffee as a diversion.
Poor howard thinks he is the reason chuck died. Chucks illness is because of Jimmy. Whenever he gets near chuck, chuck gets sick. Chuck was getting better till jimmy showed up in his house and made chuck remember the anger, the jealousy he feels for Jimmy. I think he just developed this illness to stop thinking about jimmy. And (died) when he realised the cause of his illness. He can’t handle jimmy being better than him while doing what Chuck hates. Thats why the we saw their mom saying “jimmy” as last word and chuck not speaking about it. Thats my thought. Plus the movie even showed us, when jimmy worked hard in legal way (shredded papers) Chuck stopped being sick and walked out of the house without even noticing.
When Jimmy whistled at the end, it reminds me of Mike's story about a wife beater singing after he gave her wife a beating and also when Walt whistling after disposing Drew Sharp's body.
If Chuck had known his place, hired Jimmy, they'd all be fine right now. But no. Chuck just had to blow it up. Him and his pride and his jealousy. He just had to be the man.
This show just does an excellent job at making you feel for the characters, especially now Howard.... dude was genuinely hurt in this and Jimmy was more happy that he was hurt then he was upset over his own brothers death
God, can we just appreciate Patrick Fabian for a moment? He does such a great job at selling a man that's trying desperately to hold everything together even though everything in his life is falling apart. Howard deserved better.
At the start of the show you get the impression that Howard is this arrogant, entitled dude that keeps Jimmy down for no reason. The truth is Howard is probably the best person in the BCS universe.
had to rewatch BCS for this reason
Well, he still took down Jimmy’s billboard and refused to pay the hookers
@@johnye4433 How dare Howard refuse his harlets.
I felt that way in the first season, he’s a little arrogant but not even very badly
Nacho's father was the best
When Chuck said to Jimmy, “You never mattered all that much to me.”-
This is Jimmy’s coping and revenge on that line.
yeah albeit the person he's doing it to is dead and isn't here
Really, the entirety of BCS can just be summed up as “Cope, Seethe, Mald”
He copes, he seethes, and he becomes bald Gene Tacovic.
@@It-Will-All-Be-Okay-I-Promise I have never heard that, but I appreciate now knowing it because of you. Thank you.
That makes a lot of sense. It seemed that Jimmy resented Howard for having the friendship and respect of his brother that he never got, so he enjoyed constantly humiliating him and making him look like a degenerate.
@@kuro6001sure, but jimmy is here, and he doesn’t want to feel guilty for a man that didn’t care about him (honestly quite understandable)
This was the reason Howard was able to move past Chuck's death and Jimmy couldn't. Howard didn't dodge his guilt.
What?
As far as I noticed he never remorsed his action with the insurance company.
He moved past Chuck and never looked back.
Or am I wrong?
@@Mastakilla91 I think the other side might say that jimmy's "style" of "moving on" was to restlessly continue in his hustle which is what this series is about in a way.
Jimmy moved on from Chuck when he had his last conversation with his brother.
@@DeletedDenizen No, he does not, we see at the season 4 finale when he breaks down in his car how he is still in a lot of emotional pain and in bagman he refuses to wear the space blanket and prefers to be cold because it reminds him of chuck. Chuck left a scar in jimmy that won’t go away that easy.
@@Mastakilla91 He is remorsed as hell but the way he deals with it is just trying to ignore those emotions. Him trying to ignore his brother and pretending he is ok just shows how deeply it still hurts him to think about his brother.
Howard: "I think I might have pushed Chuck to commit suicide"
Jimmy: "That's rough, buddy"
Avatar reference very nice
"Oh no. Anyway.."
Jimmy pushed Chuck totally.
@@msitaramaraju it was the last traw that broke the camels back but jimmy gets all the credit for chucks death or he’ll we could prolly blame chuck jimmy might have been a respectable member of society if chuck didint always try to bring jimmy down nd refusing to acknowledge jimmys efforts to change
I'm gonna go get da papers get the papers
It’s amazing how this conversation means something different to all 3 characters
Exactly brilliant dialogue. Just barely enough to understand enough to draw your own conclusions
yee
Props to Jimmy: even in this time of financial strife, he could afford to send his brother on a trip to Belize.
Heard it’s hot there
I’ll send *you* to Belize
Who is Billy?
@@nothere413 Huh?
@@cpotisch everyone in Breaking Bad and BCS is always talking about trips to Billy’s, but who IS Billy????
howard: “i think i pushed chuck to commit suicide”
jimmy: “well that sounds like a YOU problem”
Gangsta shit there
Jimmy is trying to pretend he didn’t contribute to the situation with the insurance
Saul: No i think it's very much an *us* problem.
"Well Howard, I guess that's your cross to bear".
Mike: "Yup..."
I went from despising Howard in season 1 to feeling genuinely empathetic and understanding of him. Some of the greatest character development I've ever seen, honestly.
You know, watching breaking bad and seeing who saul actually is and how he defend a bunch of clearly guilty criminals, when howard is antagonizing jimmy i actually root for him and chucky.
@@marksantiago9841 Well it is partially chuck’s fault for that. He failed to see that Jimmy saw him as his hero and idol, and thought very loudly that Jimmy would never change. When you’re told that by the only person you’ve ever looked up to and even start to be responsible for their death, you start to lose your purpose and good will which is how Saul was born. If Chuck hadn’t been so cold then they would’ve actually worked together like Jimmy wanted in the first place. Saul *is* who Jimmy is, but he wanted so desperately to be shown otherwise and all he got was scorn.
True story?
It wasn’t character development it was just getting to know him better
@@dexterf5220 True that.
This is the cruellest thing Jimmy has done. He KNOWS what happened is his fault. He either feels guilty about it or he doesn't care at all and just lets Howard embody all this guilt and pain, and then proceeds to revel in it. It's sickening.
I think this was Jimmy's conflicted nature at it's core. Jimmy seemed actually hesitant and a little shocked when Howard mentioned the insurance thing as being a catalyst; I think this scene embodies Slippin' Jimmy taking over, seeing an easy and unexpected out in terms of handing off the guilt to Howard whether he deserved it or not. This was a way to push the real Jimmy down deep inside and just allowing Howard to be the villain even if at this point he knew that wasn't true.
no he isn’t, Howard always hated Jimmy and always wanted to put him down and Chuck went along with it
@@johnnyboy3410 my dude no offence but how'd you get this far not understanding these basic tenants if the characters jesus
Thats the point of BB and BCS you're not looking through the eyes of a hero you're looking through the eyes of the villian
Chuck saw right through Jimmy's facade all along. He had every reason to never trust Jimmy and always despise him.
Better call Saul was set to be just another spinoff show… instead it lived up to its predecessor, and in some ways surpassed it. Some of the most beautiful acting in TV history.
thats what happens when you have an amazing cast of actors and directors
Just another spin off show *made by Vince Gilligan* the guy is incapable of bad writing.
@@alexman378 plenty of great shows by great writers have greenlit spin-offs that fail horribly
@@gucketjug Yes, and what do they all have in common? They don’t have Vince Gilligan behind them. 😜
@@alexman378 lol! Great point 😂
"That's your cross to bear." Now this line can be returned to him. Look at what you've done, Jimmy.
Spoiler alert
After breaking bad finishes, I feel like it's him who didn't get out clean - at least Howard still has his life, and most of all, I'm sure Howard will come to terms with his part and realize that what happened happened and end up finding peace
@@riograul2043 he found peace in heaven
@@thetruthlies7 Thank you I didn't know that I only watched breaking bad
@@riograul2043 oh mb for spoiling it I thought you already knew
@@thetruthlies7 I think I saw it in a clip, you're good man - even if I had, I have no plans on watching it I invested too much time in breaking bad already so I just watch little clips on TH-cam.
I always feel bad for Howard.
He's the Skyler of BCS. He has what the main character claims to have and so much more he's mostly in the right and eventhough not perfect (because no one is), at least trying his best. Yet because of the framing of the show, at least on the surface of things, the main character looks good and he looks bad. Only when you actually start thinking about them you realize that Howard and Skyler are the good guys while Jimmy and Walt are the problem.
@@EvolutionArchive23 Hey, I found one of those people that didn't understand Breaking Bad.
@@EvolutionArchive23 You are hilariously incapable of critical thought. She is everything Walt claims to be: strong, smart, caring for her family. But just because incels like you can't accept that, there exists this uninformed movement of hatred.
@@EvolutionArchive23 lol. I too, also hate skyler. to put it into more delicate terms, she was only good the most mundane of ways. If and when she was pushed, she railed and deflected all problems back to Walt. She did not put the effort that a brave person would.
@@DrZaius3141 I don't know man, Skyler cheated on Walt, then used Walt's drug money to give it to her ex lover, whom ended up using it for his own selfish reasons rather than obeying the law. Sure, it's drug money, bad money, illegal money, but it wasn't her money, it was Walt's. Is she a bad person? No. Is Walt a better person than her? No. But let's not pretend Skyler was the Messiah of the show.
“We had a disagreement”
Yeah like you suggested a teaching job, and Chuck immediately tried to sue you for 8 million dollars thus destroying your father’s legacy and putting hundreds of people out of work.
“Suggested” one thing about suggestions is you could say no. Chuck couldn’t say no. Howard unofficially fired chuck, and then chuck threatened to sue. Howard was definitely in the wrong there.
@@Gabe791 actually, Howard wasn't. Chuck was an obvious liability. In banking, banks knew about 5 years before Michael Burry's assessment of CDO market before the first CDS deal was made. CHuck was a liability but he wasn't just risky enough. Now that it's blown out fo proportion, Chuck should've seen his end.
Keep defending the sociopathic monster who justifies himself with "THE RIGHT WAY TO LOVE MY BLOOD"
well, that's a disagreement
@@Gabe791 Is this a joke? Keeping Chuck would have meant that the malpractice insurance premiums would have *DOUBLED for EVERY single lawyer in the entire firm!*
Chuck had to go no matter what. Chuck should have swallowed his pride, and simply retired.
Yeah...sure..."suggested" 🤔
Well, this scene hits different now doesn’t it?
Poor Howard
Yep. Howard’s spiral into depression and insomnia begins right here, in the flat, being honest with Jimmy and Kim. The next time he comes here, he’s just as honest and upfront with him, but it’s not because he wants to be helpful, it’s because he’s confronting with them with who they really are. And then he dies.
Howard saying he never thought he could hurt Chuck... is exactly what Jimmy and Kim did to Howard
@@TheScoppie we don’t know when his depression started, but I think it was due to his divorce rather than Chuck’s death
@@marcomeister4647 it Waa because of the umbrella incident
The look of shock and hurt Howard gives at 2:37 is amazing.
Agreed. They nailed this scene. How does your heart not break in half after that look?
@Tuscan417 caught up in one of the worst sibling rivalries that doesn’t involve a demon named Sparda and just kept getting dealt the worst hand for being on the wrong side, unknowingly
That look makes me want to give Howard the finger, he wasn't blameless in all this
@@enjoyitbrocool it with the edge bro
@@enjoyitbrokid named the finger
Howard is one of the most misunderstood characters in the BCS universe. God save him from Kim in season 6
Hopefully whatever she does is the end of her too
Kim and Jimmy going too far against Howard will be their downfall, no way it doesn’t backfire.
@@lunch77 well this is the Breaking Bad/BCS universe….. the main protagonists/dirt bags usually win
@@carson11100 Yeah, there definitely weren’t any consequences for Walt or Jesse continually pushing their criminality…..
@@lunch77 To be fair, it looks as though Jim is seeing Kim taking things too far. He's all for pranking Howard, but not sabotaging his career like Kim seemingly wants to do.
Jimmy turning into Saul has always been about suppressing guilt, grief and trauma. This is the first and most key moment of emotional suppressing. You can see early in the episode that he is grieving for Chuck, but the moment he realises he was substantially responsible for the circumstances, his demeanour shifts completely. It would be too much to handle the guilt, so he just chooses not to and suppresses. This isn't the moment that Saul was born, but it's definitely the moment that any kindness or compassion that Jimmy once had (for anyone but Kim) died for good.
This is the moment your mom stopped cooking dinner.
Jimmy did not die for good
I say it was when Chuck saying he never cared about Jimmy was the nail in the coffin
But I always felt like I saw Saul was still able to show compassion towards his clients. Saw that many times when he talked to Walt.
An interesting part is that Jimmy says “look at her go” after feeding the fish, but the fish hasn’t even noticed the food or moved much.
along with the whistling, etc, he's pretending (or perhaps even denying to himself) that he cares about the fact that it was actually a suicide, howards supposed guilt or even his own responsibility in pushing chuck to the brink via his own actions that directly raised HHM's insurance rates
@@krollic he’s happy that there is someone else to take the blame and that no one has a clue about what he did……. Seeing Howard suffer allows him to push his true feelings about Chucks death away
@@carson11100 or may be he's feeling proud for being responsible for Chuck's death, kind of having his revenge realized. In either case in this moment we can see the dark side of Jimmy surface
@@gambetamaster9804 possibly.
@@krollic He lawyered his own conscience. What a tragedy.
It's ironic how this scene is Jimmy being cruel to Howard, letting him believe that he is solely responsible for Chuck's death, but in the long run, Howard goes to therapy, works through his guilt, and is able to move past it, which just makes Jimmy even more jealous, because he was able to process the guilt in a healthy and productive manner, something that Jimmy was never able to do.
Well by this point Jimmy didn't care anymore. Chuck was dead to him when he told him he never mattered to him.
@@pelu101 if you have to say "you're dead to me" the other person is not dead to you.
@@scottmatheson3346Did Jimmy actually ever said that to chuck tho?
@@scottmatheson3346you’re dead to me (it’s a joke to show how nonsensical the statement is)
Ironic that in the end, Jimmy became worse than Chuck was. People think Jimmy was always a monster, but seriously doubt that, he became that way, he literally changes into an immoral monster, something that proved his brother wrong about how people don’t change. It’s just ironic that Chuck actually caused him to become what Chuck accused Jimmy of being.
Honestly I think Jimmy died along with Chuck. He's definitely leaned more into his Saul Goodman persona from that point forward
This is the exact moment that...
@@popkornking dammit, I should have used different verbiage.
@@popkornking never gets old hahaha
Chucks death definitely pushed Jimmy way in the back but I think Jimmy is gonna be fully dead only after he loses Kim.
@@Gabe791 I agree
You're telling me a lantern just 𝘩𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘴 to fall like that?
No! He orchestrated it! Chuck!
In Lego city, does a man just happen to fall like that?
@@ECJ49HE WORE A SPACE BLANKET CLUCKIN CHUCK
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HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF
Jimmy's whistling reminds me of Walter whistling right after saying he was sad about Drew Sharp's death.
Jimmy is straight up relieved to know someone else feels guilty for Chuck, so he feels like he doesn't have to anymore.
Jimmy says that's his cross to bear...
Meanwhile the entire insurance issue was caused intentionally, by Jimmy.
WOW.
That's the poin. Jimmy is a semi-sociopath
@@lucasdamotta Stop using words you don't understand. Jimmy is not a psychopath by any means, neither is Kim. They are both fully capable of being empathetic and displayed it several times throughout the series.
Just say they are bad selfish people and leave it at that.
@@peacefanatic3590 did you realize psycopaths and sociopaths are not exactly the same thing, right?
@@peacefanatic3590 least delusional bcs fan
@@peacefanatic3590 learn 2 read thx
Chuck may have been right but he was lacking in compassion. The times he did show compassion, it was revealed, were mostly feigned. You got the feeling that even though Jimmy is a very flawed character, he's capable of feeling compassion and empathy, even if it's usually delayed.
brothers usually are not very compassionate towards each other. in fact there feeling are usually the opposite. the number of falling outs among brothers is a lot more than the number of close bonds.
They were both right about each other. That is their essential tragedy.
Chuck not telling Jimmy about their mother's last words definitely showed that his jealousy was greater than any compassion he may have had.
@@whyohwhy9679 yeah this one shows his really nasty side
@@whyohwhy9679 I thought that last moment was a good illustration why Chuck finds things unfair as well; whereas he was willing to sit there, hungry and grumpy, to make sure there was no chance their mother would die alone, Jimmy took a shortcut and just went for food when he was hungry. So when she actually has her last waking, dying moment, Chuck actually put in the work to be there. So it feels completely unfair that even in her last dying moment, she wanted to talk to jimmy and not him.
Re-watching this scene, you can see Jim was obviously interested in the bit about HHM's insurance perhaps initially feeling guilty over his role (because he was the one that pointed their insurance coverage in Chuck's direction ie. Jim "accidently" let slip Chuck's testimony at the bar), but when Howard revealed that he was the one that forced Chuck out as a result, Jim used that as his way out (ie. his loophole to get around his role for the whole insurance situation), and this is why he started doing all those pranks to Howard, a way of getting back at him, as Jimmy saw it (his distortion of it anyways).
The next step of denial is projection. That's exactly what Jimmy did here.
Re-watching it too in preparation for Season 6.
This is totally the case.
It would make sense something in Jimmy's mind to immediately pump the breaks from feeling the immediate guilt of knowing that you had a hand in your own brothers death. Like you pointed out - he used Howard's "confession" as a get out of jail card to remove himself from that equation. Self protection. Anything to spare ourselves from the overbearing guilt.
He lawyered his own conscience. Epic mental gymnastics.
Huh, except it's Kim's idea bro.
@@explosivx43 You gotta stop saying bro, bro.
Despite his demeanor, Howard genuinely wanted to help. He never wanted any of this and to see that he thought this is the worst thing he ever experienced is heartbreaking.
well i guess now Jimmy and Kim have their own cross to bear...
howard dies in this exact same spot too
Yeah, that doesn't mean much to sociopaths.
1:30 This is the moment Jimmy realized that he sent Chuck on a trip to Belize.
But then Howard declared himself the travel agent.
Which is the moment Jimmy got thirsty.
Howard really tried to be a bro to both Jimmy and Chuck, he dealt with so much of their sibling drama that he was practically family, but neither of them were ever grateful to him. He embodied excellence and fortitude but they both constantly tore Howard down when they were hurting each other.
This scene is interesting to contrast with the next time Howard goes to their apartment.
After watching S06E07: Well I guess, Jimmy, that's your cross to bear.
IMO Show jumped the shark on that one. They might as well had howard hit by a bus. Wrong place at wrong time, the character should have grown old with his crosses and successes.
@@hifiandrewIf it wasn't a prequel to BrBa he probably would have. Show had to jump the shark somewhere. I just wish it hadn't jumped the shark just for Lalo to die to plot armor before slamming the brakes on for 4 hours of nippy peak.
I can't believe there's not just one, but two people with the same garbage opinion right above my comment.
My word.
Still not Howard's worst visit to the apartment.
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Just the worst visit SO FAR ;-)
Second worst.
Since Jimmy got all the malpractice insurance premium stuff going, this just reminded me of how toxic his and Chuck’s relationship was, that he let Howard bear the brunt of the burden of guilt.
S6E7: Well Jimmy I guess that’s your cross to bear.
Howard seems like a good person. Hope nothing bad happens to him.
Rip Howard Hamlin. You truly were an amazing, stand up character who tried his best to better himself and right his wrongs. Namast3 👔
thanks for the spoiler
@@norastark why would you watch bcs clips while in the middle of the final chapters
Namaste is a greeting upon arrival
Namaskaar (or just an adieu) would do
Show jumped the shark on that one. They might as well had howard hit by a bus. Wrong place at wrong time, the character should have grown old with his crosses and successes.
you should have add a "spoiler alert"
HOWARD! NO! STOP! DON'T EVER GO BACK THERE PLEASE! I BEG YOU! NO!
WHY
Howard really is an interesting character. There’s times like this when I feel bad for him, because here he was really trying to make Jimmy feel better. Then I think about how he was a scumbag to Kim earlier on in the show, and he was kind of spineless and just operating as Chuck’s lapdog to get to Jimmy. But he has shown signs of being a good person down the stretch, I’m worried for what’s gonna happen to him in season 6.
We will never know what would have happened if Kim stayed at HHM, but Howard probably thought he's doing Kim favor with the cold treatment, sort of with a "tough love". Either pushing her out of the company or forcing her to prove herself. Sure, she acquired Mesa Verde, but redemption doesn't happen in a matter of days, not after a major fuck up. I'd be willing to bet she'd eventually be given her old job back if she showed humility and way more patience.
It's also what makes him an interesting character. It's realistic that He's conflicted in so many situations
@@mac1991seth nah she did the right thing by leaving you don’t stay in that type of work environment
Chuck had a hold on him because he knew his father and mentored him into becoming who he is. Those ties go deep, that’s the reason he was under Chuck’s control the whole time.
@@mac1991seth Going by how she manipulated Kevin in collusion with Jimmy at Mesa Verde ( for the location change ) and treated Her next employer ( Rich ) for basically suggesting what was essentially true , her getting out of HHM was good for the firm. She's a manipulating,colluding, driven, morally perverse person that would be toxic to any firm even if she's extremely committed and hard working . Someone like her is bound to have a lot of what she does come back to bite it's just not worth it for any company.
This scene was never resolved or actualized. Howard dies in the very same room.
This scene always breaks my heart. You can see Howard can’t stand the overwhelming guilt, he mourns Chuck but still cares about Jimmy. He deserved almost nothing he went through during season 6
wow, there's a lot in that scene and Jimmy smiling through that aquarium reveals so much. He planted the insurance problem and shows his content that this bomb went off like he never would have thought and on top his main rival takes the guilt.
Jimmy never intended to kill chuck, he’s obviously not actually happy in this scene. He is pretending to be ok because he can’t accept the fact that he indirectly killed his brother and that is tormenting him.
Wow this comment as well the first reply really is twisting my mind. Makes me want to see the last season even more for the ultimate answer.
So if im readinf this right jimmy played with the law amd his the insurance thing was the trigger
I've always felt this was the scene where Jimmy has approached the final step into becoming Saul Goodman.
Yep. And of course was official when he walks away from the camera for the last scene of previous season.
No disrespect to you at all my friend, because so many people post the same thing, but this Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul “this is the moment when” meme is getting old. Jimmy IS Saul. Walter White IS Heisenberg. It’s called an alias. They may have changed as people a bit over the course of each series, but everyone reads too much into the whole alter ego/alias thing.
Again, no disrespect intended towards you. I just wish people would reconsider how they view this whole alter ego thing.
i guess you could say
this was the moment that jimmy turn into saul goodman
@@UkeleleStoner1992 you don't think people perhaps choose an alias to mark a change in their character and worldview? WW certainly wasn't Heisenberg prior to the start of Breaking Bad.
The is a big step, but I think the final step is gonna be when he loses Kim.
Its here that Saul is born. Saul is allowed to exist so Jimmy doesnt have to feel guilt about what he did to his brother. As he says in the finale he was the one who ran away. This was that first step.
Jimmy has true regrets, but buries them under Saul. Saul doesnt have to care, doesnt have to feel, doesnt have to regret or take accountability. Thats why in the final moments in the court he takes back the McGill name- he admits his biggest regret, the one thing he wished he could take back- canceling the insurance and causing his brother to kill himself.
i think saul was always there since he stole from his dad's register...chuck being dead was the moment jimmy died if anything imo. the last bit of love and care he had for his brother was gone in the wind once he got confirmation he died as soon as he saw the truck chuck's body was in. chuck's death mirrored the ending of crawl space in breaking bad in other words...
The character development and acting in this series is the best I have ever seen.
Patrick Fabian gave a magnificent performance in this scene. Well done!
Howard is probably the most regular guy in this show
RiP Howard ! You were so professional and did not deserve this.
I do feel sorry for Howard and he 100% made the right decision in trying to force Chuck out, which he should've done far sooner. But I just totally get Jimmy. You're so utterly disgusted, so utterly DONE with a family member, it's basically impossible to feel anything about them anymore. It just takes too much out of you.
The real reason of the actions of jimmy was that in reality, it was not Howard’s fault. It was jimmy. He literally told insurance company what happened that day. And let them know about chucks mental health. He did it on purpose, willingly.
When he hears that was the sole reason Howard kicking his brother out, he knew he caused his brothers end. He was the real reason. But he passed the ball to Howard and changed the topic in his head to not think about it.
Chuck worked extremely hard for that response, Jimmy used to worship the ground his brother walked.
Okay Mrs dad didn't let me make an only fans
@@borris3768 Nah. I wouldn't even ask, because then I'd just be a magnet for creeps like you.
It's great you've never experienced true family dysfunction, but maybe if you move out of your mommy's basement someday, you'll learn some hard realities.
@@ozgesekerci8815It was also Chuck's fault as well since he was warned not to take Jimmy to court plus even if Jimmy didn't go to the insurance they still would've found out about Chuck's medical condition and lashing out in court.
When you now realize that Howard never learned that Jimmy was behind the insurance debacle that lead to Chuck’s death
R.I.P. Howard. I was sad to see him go. 😢😢😢
@Ezio try not reading TH-cam comments for a show you haven’t watched
This is the Breaking Saul moment. Where Jimmy went Breaking Bad on everything.
I love the richness of all these clips, the legal and underworld of both shows woven together.
2:26 This part was the straw that broke the camel's back and Jimmy stopped being a good person and became the monster that no one wanted to believe. I don't even know if Jimmy cares about his brother, but rather, I hate his family ever since.
Jimmy lost sympathy at this point and this is very heartbreaking for howard after all, he did what he thinks the best way to do. He didnt deserve a brutal end. I guess howard's death will be jimmy's cross to bear
Really going out on a limb to spoil it for people who aren’t up to speed. I guess that’s your cross to bear.
No, it's Kim's.
Just watched this scene, entered TH-cam and got spoilers 🤦🏿.
Anyways, I agree with you about Jimmy. He's not a good person in any shape or form and this scene proves it.
The characters in this show are so real. Wow.
Never set foot in this house again Howard
It's crazy to think that Howard eventually dies in that room.
This is the exact moment where Jimmy becomes Saul Goodman
I remember this scene being really hard to watch. To see Jimmy being so cruel.
It hurts even more when you understand that Jimmy is the reason of the HHM's problems with the insurance company.
The reason Jimmy is indifferent to Howard instead of having pity is that Jimmy found out that Howard was acting as the fall guy for Chuck's vendetta. He could have came clean about Chuck using him to get at Jimmy but he chose to try and keep Chuck's honor intact. Another lie. For that, Jimmy couldn't care less about Howard.
I swear 2:37 is the best reaction shot I’ve ever seen in any media.
Interesting to note how just a couple episodes prior (I think the same day in-universe as Chuck's death) Jimmy felt bad for putting the old ladies against one another to get the Sandpiper money, so he came clean with them at the cost of his reputation.
Howard: "i think chuck dies because of me"
Jimmy: _"womp womp"_
Unironically the moment Jimmy became Saul Goodman
No, the moment he is displayed on by his true colors. Jimmy was a bad person. He was no Walter White but he was bad enough to deserve a worse fate than the one he gets.
This isn’t Jimmy being vengeful or spiteful. The last conversation Chuck ever had with him was Chuck telling him that he shouldn’t bother living with regrets over the things he’s done, because he’ll always hurt everyone around him regardless of what he does.
In this scene, Jimmy finally takes Chuck’s advice. He embraces the version of him that his brother always believed he was. But this time, he won’t bother living with any guilt or regret.
And Jimmy in this scene... he just offloads ALL of his guilt onto Howard. It's sickening.
And great character writing.
Howard is just straight up a good guy
This is the moment when HHM became H.
Through all the theories and speculation it really just comes down to Jimmy being extremely confused on what he should feel about Chuck. Everyone assumes he cares about his death but how can you assume that after Chuck said “I never really cared about you”. Chuck was a legitimately horrible person
Chuck saved Jimmy from prison. He gave him a job. Chuck is in the right. Hes slipping jimmy
@@exandious867 Honestly both are bad people, Chuck might be a slightly better person tho.
Jimmy feeding the fish reminded me of Tony Soprano feeding the ducks in his pool. Something about how "criminals" have big hearts towards animals, when their affection towards humans is lacking. It fits here so im sure its the same kinda deal. They are the same kind of Anti-Hero
That whistle is the truth Howard, you are not a Heisenberg
The whistle remembered me of Heisenberg, after the killing of the kid.
It's so incredible that Jimmy's actor could display anguish through happiness.
That's AAA
The reason Jimmy reacts in such a strange way is that he personally feels guilty for causing the insurance situation which ultimately led to Chuck's death. He's acknowledging that it's his *own* cross to bear, as well. He can't go into details on the difficult subject matter so he changed the subject to being light-hearted and making coffee as a diversion.
well to those who don't know, Jimmy is the one who made sure the insurance company knows about Chuck's condition.
Good for him
Poor howard thinks he is the reason chuck died. Chucks illness is because of Jimmy. Whenever he gets near chuck, chuck gets sick. Chuck was getting better till jimmy showed up in his house and made chuck remember the anger, the jealousy he feels for Jimmy. I think he just developed this illness to stop thinking about jimmy. And (died) when he realised the cause of his illness. He can’t handle jimmy being better than him while doing what Chuck hates. Thats why the we saw their mom saying “jimmy” as last word and chuck not speaking about it. Thats my thought. Plus the movie even showed us, when jimmy worked hard in legal way (shredded papers)
Chuck stopped being sick and walked out of the house without even noticing.
Wouldn’t be Howard’s worst experience in Jimmy and Kim’s apartment
RIP Howard 😭😭😭
at this moment I got genuinely scared both OF and FOR Jimmy
"I think Chuck killed himself because he didn't have enough tickets."
When Jimmy whistled at the end, it reminds me of Mike's story about a wife beater singing after he gave her wife a beating and also when Walt whistling after disposing Drew Sharp's body.
Howard was a good guy
If Chuck had known his place, hired Jimmy, they'd all be fine right now. But no. Chuck just had to blow it up. Him and his pride and his jealousy. He just had to be the man.
This show just does an excellent job at making you feel for the characters, especially now Howard.... dude was genuinely hurt in this and Jimmy was more happy that he was hurt then he was upset over his own brothers death
This might be the coldest moment of the entire show...
Jimmy was horrible here to the point that I couldn't forgive.
3:08- as soon as Jimmy started that I immediately thought of that one scene with Walter in Breaking Bad
Similar dynamic in that both Jimmy and Walt showed no remorse over what happened as a result of their choices. Cold scenes for sure.
dammit, I just *know* I'm gonna end up binge-watching all the seasons again before the finale.
i hate how i fell asleep at the last few minutes of the episode because i was so tired and i just missed this scene completley
"Well i guess thats your cross to bear"
Damn jimmy ! Thats cold !
When Howard turns out to be your favorite character of the show. I really didn't expect that but it goes to show how great the writing is.
Howard is in for a rough ride in season 6 unfortunately.
You don't say
Watching the show again from Howards perspective is heartbreaking, truly a selfless character
God, can we just appreciate Patrick Fabian for a moment? He does such a great job at selling a man that's trying desperately to hold everything together even though everything in his life is falling apart. Howard deserved better.
Jimmy really pulled out the "Damn, that's crazy" card
it was Jimmy's doing all along. he sabotaged Chuck with his insurance company and forced Howard's hand
Howard was nicest and reasonable man 👏.
RIP Howard Hamlin.
Just two people dealing with grief in two different ways.