A few corrections. 1) these rotors are actually compatible with both resin and metallic pads. I was wrong. They are the cheaper stamped rotors, but I'm glad they're compatible with metallic pads. 2) You guys made this one happen! THANK YOU for reaching out to bike companies you like and letting them know that you like seeing my reviews of their bikes. You're all the best! 3) After a few comments here, i believe Marin's house branded bars and stem are made by a well-known component maker, just with Marin's name on it instead. That's great news.
@@paulguardino9878 he reviewed the 2019 version of the Meta HT. The 2020 had some changes to the frame. And the 2021 had some subtle changes from the 2020.
Me too! Big fan of hardtail party!!! Although I did just buy a bike he didn’t like too much hmmmmmm lol (commencal meta ht) probably because it was easy to get! Couldn’t find a ragley in Canada!
Agreed, best paint ever. Working on 90s bikes made me realize how good we have it now. Its so nice to have a top tube that doesn't get scratched by brake levers.
Can't wait for this review Steve....I've had my Elroy for a month now, here in wet, hilly, rooty and muddy NW UK, and I absolutely love it, It's a bomber ! I have a medium at 5 10 and its a perfect fit for a big bike. My Elroy came with an XT rear mech, SLX cassette, SLX, shifter, MT520/MT501 brakes and levers, Deity Mohawk carbon bars and Deity copperhead stem so slightly better specced than this one here. I find it a really smooth and super fun ride on all my local trails, but obviously it loves the steep gnarly stuff, both up and down ! Just to note the Kona ESD is over five hundred dollars more than this bike in the UK. I hope you enjoy this bike as much I do, and I'm really glad Marin sent it to you for review, not many of these around yet. Im really excited to see what you think. Oh, and I totally agree , the black sparkle paint job is stunning with the red Z1 fork - If Darth Vader rode an MTB it would be an Elroy :)
I'm the same height and you feel the medium is the best fit? I don't have anything that you'd call super modern, so the Grande just seems absolutely crazy to me.
@@ameliacourtney1067 yes, if you are 5 10 medium is perfect. If you look at the geo charts a medium is pretty much the same size as a large modern enduro bike.
We had the full sus Rift Zone in store. Numbers looked similar progressive: long and slack. But when riding the bike it felt just as nimble and easy to move around as a shorter bike. You’re right Steve the bike is more than the numbers.
Subbed. Yoyu are a dying breed sir. No shill, just facts and opinions. Loved this.... a breath of fresh air. All the best and thanks for a great honest review.
Double Assegai will be a grippy but sluggish monster, but I guess it fits for a DH focused build. 480 reach sounds crazy for the regular size, that's basically the same as my XL mmmbop - but I'm about 1,90m in height so it is probably more appropriate for me than it will be for you. BB drop is quite a bit lower than the mmmbop too, and the one you had was overforked (so a wee bit higher even) and still had pedal strikes. But yeah, downhill shredding focus galore I guess.
Oh man. Looking forward to the ride review. I love the idea of this bike (and even how they came up with the name). I'm excited to get a sense if it lives up to the hype.
I can understand wanting a supple ride the older I get... But when the rear chain stays flex like that, especially with one hand, it just looks noodly. I'll be interested to hear how it feels in techy / rocky sections, or trying to power uphill.
@Bob Longhorn keep in mind I'm flexing it side to side, not up and down. Normally there's an axle/wheel bolted in there to keep everything triangulated and stiff. Still, it illustrates the flexible nature of the seatstays. If you haven't noticed it on a ride, i wouldn't worry too much.
I have used semi metallic pads on my on my resin only rotors and I haven't had a problem . Looks like it will have great straight line speed pointing downhill . It may lack on turns and switchbacks . Curious to see how the climbing will be . I ride a hardtail at about the same weight and I think being heavier has its advantage being more planted on the ground . If your going from a lighter bike to a heavier you probably will take more effort to climb but if that's what you ride your body will adapt and become a bit stronger . Nice review Steve .
I know FSA makes some Ok stuff, but the low end cranks on my wife's bike where a CHUNK and were never smooth. Swapped out for SLX cranks on an XTR BB and it makes the whole bike feel like the next price bracket. I feel you on the crank length too, went with 165 cranks and they are a much more appropriate fit for her size small frame.
What do you think about low bbs? The new Stif Squatch looks absolutely dreamy, reaaaaalllyy nice frame with super close attention to detail and awesome component spec, but the geometry is... devisive. I really like the theory but I'd love to hear what the king of hardtails would think
This why I dig your channel, your honesty, experience, & knowledge. This video has me thinking about swapping my bikepacking mtb for a Pine Mountain cause Marin & it's supple.
Nukeproof scout and Orange crush 275 versions soon? My local dealer doesn't get Orange in stock till February, so Im scanning the geo charts way to closely.
It'll be interesting if that "compliance" will translate out on your Sedona trails, or will it actually feel a bit flexy/sloppy feeling instead. That's a lot of movement back there. Looking forward to your ride review.
Loved the review, and yes a review must be critical we each have different perspectives and values when looking at a bike. Keep up the great work mate, and g'day from down under
Have you ever thought about reviewing a Viathon? I have one, and I love it. I get GX eagle and a Reba, with Stan’s Arch wheels, plus a whole lot more for just $1700. It’s sure one great carbon 29er.
Yeah I've thought about it. I'd review one if they wanted to send me one, but it's pretty much an xc race bike. I don't race xc, so I'm probably not the right person to review it. Typically I'm not crazy about xc bikes, but I'm willing to keep an open mind.
@@hardtailparty Yea, totally see where you are coming from. I was originally looking for a 27.5+ trail hardtail, but the 120mm fork and great components was too tempting. It’s a quite playful bike out on the trail surprisingly, as it weighs a nifty 23 pounds.
Looks like that bad boy is gonna be nice and compliant. Would have been sweet if they had specked it out more similar to the Honzo...33 lbs for a hardtail is downright heavy. Do they just sell the frame?
I am out of action with injuries (4 months down and probably another 4 to go - starting physio tomorrow - knee injuries are the worst). I was just about to buy a new bike when I got injured, either a Byrd or a Ragley...assuming the ride review stacks up then if / when I can get back to riding I think this is going to make the revised short list. Looking forward to the ride review.
I really want to see your review on the aluminium and steel versions of the Norco Torrent, its got a ultra slack head angle and a steep seat tube angle. And I'm really interested to know how the frame feels for both aluminium and steel. Awesome content!!
Looks like a fun bike. Too bad they didn’t spec it with a little bit more expensive parts. Might be worth paying a bit more for some nicer bars, brakes, etc
This is the 3rd or 4th extreme geo bike in real production that isn't a meme as far as I know. Are the Arcturian, Honzo ESD, and El Roy it? There are some others that come close (MMMBop/Blue Pig), but this is the edge as far as I know. 63/78 is nuts! I love Marin's willingness to get out there.
I know it’s much more a XC bike and that is not your style but I would love to see you review the Viathon M.1. I have the G.1 and love it but I am looking for the between bike from the G.1 and my Ghost FRAMR 6.7 . Would love to hear what u would have to say about it.
Stoked you were able to get this bike. And as far as the being harsh, I would definitely agree. I feel like with this bike at the price, they could have spec'd it better. Those Marin wheels are heavy. The bars and stem are surprisingly light but still.. You could get a little more for the price. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the frame
I love your reviews, honesty is good. If manufacturers offer more "bang for buck" on a bike does that equate to less profit margin? Consequently are others like this bike making more margin. Is the quality going to be in the frame?
Any chance you could get a comparison between this and the Chromag Rootdown? Thanks Edit: Just saw your other comments. Wish they would send you one to test. Have been looking at both of them to replace my mullet Rocky Mountain Soul ever since the Marin was released but haven’t seen much in the way of a direct comparison.
Also I am curious how would the flexible chainstays on this compare to Stanton Sherpa which some riders have said are very stiff compared to Cotic SolarisMax for example.
@@hardtailparty Interesting, I wonder if the chainstays are the same as Stanton seems to use different replaceable dropouts on Sherpa compared to Switch9er, from what I see on they sell as replaceable parts on their website.
Just gotta say the I would not change the Marin stem. It’s lean, tight and cool looking w their brand. IMHO. Really looking forward to the review on this
This bike is ridiculous! I can’t wait for the ride review. I’m a steel HT lover. I watch all your vids. HT or GH (go home) lol I ride a Brodie ClimbMax. They discontinued it for 2021, was hoping you’d check one out.
I have a 2011 Transition TransAM 26er that I just retired. I had a ton of fun on it while it was my #1. Very good build quality and it ate up the trails. I retired it because I wanted something with more modern geo. Overall, a great bike.
You said thank you all cables are external (except for dropper) but no explanation as to why. So why? :) I just finished building 2018 Kona Explosif frame and wondering too why they keep with external routing design. Newbie here, thanks.
Internal routing is a total pain when you're building a frame or swapping parts out. The only benefit is aesthetics, and it often causes more rattling. I believe hardtails should be simple and easy to swap parts on and off. External cable routing is the simplest way to go.
Not just assegais, but exo+ up front and dd in the rear! This bike isn't exactly designed for sustained climbs. I think this bike has one purpose: to go downhill FAST.
I have to ride 3 miles uphill on a paved public road to hit my steep trails and it does just fine. Yes it drags a bit, its no racer, but it's super comfy if you are happy enough plodding along. Now, sustained climbs on steep rough stuff - I think it's an amazing climber, however my reference points are significantly fewer than hardtail party's !
I had a very similar reaction when I first saw it. Personally I’d go a honzo ESD because I think it will be more playful. The no sliding drop outs didsapointed me. Does it have iscg tabs for a chain guide?
That paint job is so nice. Thanks for the 5% off my Middlechild Cushcore link may not be valid anymore. Didn’t work for me. I was thinking I should pick up a set.
The TH-cam revenue from a Chromag review video (filmed on the kind of trails Steve tends to ride) wouldn't be enough to cover the resulting chiropractor bills, haha
Can anyone tell me how tall he is? Just to have a reference to the reach numbers. I have ordered a very long bike, a Pole Tival and now as im waiting for the delivery im getting concerned about the extreme size.
@@hardtailparty Thanks for your answer. Im looking forward to your review since the marin has the same Reach as the Pole. I ordered the pole in Large cause im 184cm or around 6'0. It comes with a Reach of 510mm. In medium its 480 just like the Marin. Also, thanks for your awesome content.
Yes, there are a few major differences. 12 speed requires a microspline hub, 11 speed requires an hg driver. The 12 speed has a much lower gear as well, and the high gear is higher as well. Is it worth it? That's up to you.
@@chiefsilverback ah, that's good to know. And it works with an hg driver? Sounds even better than 12 speed. I wonder why anyone would go to 12 speed with that option .
@@hardtailparty apologies for a slow reply, I don't do much messaging on YT. Yes to the HG driver for the new 11 speed 11-51 cassette. I personally run XT 11 speed with a Sunrace 11-50 cassette using the Wolftooth Components Goatlink. Works like a charm!
A few corrections.
1) these rotors are actually compatible with both resin and metallic pads. I was wrong. They are the cheaper stamped rotors, but I'm glad they're compatible with metallic pads.
2) You guys made this one happen! THANK YOU for reaching out to bike companies you like and letting them know that you like seeing my reviews of their bikes. You're all the best!
3) After a few comments here, i believe Marin's house branded bars and stem are made by a well-known component maker, just with Marin's name on it instead. That's great news.
can you please do a review on a whyte 905 v3 2021 please
@@williambonsor3915 I've tried a few times, but no luck.
Would love to see a review of the 2021 Commencal Meta HT. Curious to see what you think compared to the 2020 you reviewed earlier this year.
@@paulguardino9878 the frame is the same
@@paulguardino9878 he reviewed the 2019 version of the Meta HT. The 2020 had some changes to the frame. And the 2021 had some subtle changes from the 2020.
I love your honest reviews Steve. Don’t ever change. That’s why I love Hardtail Party!!
Can't agree more with this comment. We do not want marketing, we want honest reviews
Me too! Big fan of hardtail party!!! Although I did just buy a bike he didn’t like too much hmmmmmm lol (commencal meta ht) probably because it was easy to get! Couldn’t find a ragley in Canada!
Dude, I love the paint and with that low top tube you can bar spin. 😁
Agreed, best paint ever. Working on 90s bikes made me realize how good we have it now. Its so nice to have a top tube that doesn't get scratched by brake levers.
The truth is what the people need! Wish Vitus would send you a bike
We need a Marin San Quentin 3 review too
Can't wait for this review Steve....I've had my Elroy for a month now, here in wet, hilly, rooty and muddy NW UK, and I absolutely love it, It's a bomber ! I have a medium at 5 10 and its a perfect fit for a big bike. My Elroy came with an XT rear mech, SLX cassette, SLX, shifter, MT520/MT501 brakes and levers, Deity Mohawk carbon bars and Deity copperhead stem so slightly better specced than this one here. I find it a really smooth and super fun ride on all my local trails, but obviously it loves the steep gnarly stuff, both up and down ! Just to note the Kona ESD is over five hundred dollars more than this bike in the UK. I hope you enjoy this bike as much I do, and I'm really glad Marin sent it to you for review, not many of these around yet. Im really excited to see what you think. Oh, and I totally agree , the black sparkle paint job is stunning with the red Z1 fork - If Darth Vader rode an MTB it would be an Elroy :)
I'm the same height and you feel the medium is the best fit? I don't have anything that you'd call super modern, so the Grande just seems absolutely crazy to me.
@@ameliacourtney1067 yes, if you are 5 10 medium is perfect. If you look at the geo charts a medium is pretty much the same size as a large modern enduro bike.
This channel is my go to for HT reviews
We had the full sus Rift Zone in store. Numbers looked similar progressive: long and slack. But when riding the bike it felt just as nimble and easy to move around as a shorter bike. You’re right Steve the bike is more than the numbers.
Stay honest with your reviews. That’s why I follow your channel. Keep it up.
I am one of those who love your channel because you are brutally honest
Subbed. Yoyu are a dying breed sir. No shill, just facts and opinions. Loved this.... a breath of fresh air. All the best and thanks for a great honest review.
Thanks for the kind words.
That lateral flex in the chainstays I wonder if it does not feel wobbly in fast tight turns, I guess the full review will be addressing that.
Double Assegai will be a grippy but sluggish monster, but I guess it fits for a DH focused build. 480 reach sounds crazy for the regular size, that's basically the same as my XL mmmbop - but I'm about 1,90m in height so it is probably more appropriate for me than it will be for you. BB drop is quite a bit lower than the mmmbop too, and the one you had was overforked (so a wee bit higher even) and still had pedal strikes. But yeah, downhill shredding focus galore I guess.
Oh man. Looking forward to the ride review. I love the idea of this bike (and even how they came up with the name). I'm excited to get a sense if it lives up to the hype.
Honzo ESD looks like a better buy, but I like the frame better on the El Roy.
I can understand wanting a supple ride the older I get... But when the rear chain stays flex like that, especially with one hand, it just looks noodly. I'll be interested to hear how it feels in techy / rocky sections, or trying to power uphill.
I'm inter stead to see this too.
@Bob Longhorn keep in mind I'm flexing it side to side, not up and down. Normally there's an axle/wheel bolted in there to keep everything triangulated and stiff. Still, it illustrates the flexible nature of the seatstays.
If you haven't noticed it on a ride, i wouldn't worry too much.
8000 viewers going downstairs after watching this to remove the rear wheel and flex their chain stays.
I have used semi metallic pads on my on my resin only rotors and I haven't had a problem . Looks like it will have great straight line speed pointing downhill . It may lack on turns and switchbacks . Curious to see how the climbing will be . I ride a hardtail at about the same weight and I think being heavier has its advantage being more planted on the ground . If your going from a lighter bike to a heavier you probably will take more effort to climb but if that's what you ride your body will adapt and become a bit stronger . Nice review Steve .
Paint job looks like my old Surly Moonlander. Super nice in person. Love the look of that Bomber fork on this thing too.
Looking forward to the review. Interested in the El Roy, Honzo ESD or Torrent as frame to build on.
I wish that my Nukeproof scout 290 expert was even near your size, I’d absolutely mail it to you so you could review it. Unfortunately it’s an XL.
Mail it to me
Can’t wait for your ride review!!
I know FSA makes some Ok stuff, but the low end cranks on my wife's bike where a CHUNK and were never smooth. Swapped out for SLX cranks on an XTR BB and it makes the whole bike feel like the next price bracket. I feel you on the crank length too, went with 165 cranks and they are a much more appropriate fit for her size small frame.
If these are the same cranks as the pine mtn, they weigh a ton. A simple crank swap should drop at least 1lb off the bike.
What do you think about low bbs? The new Stif Squatch looks absolutely dreamy, reaaaaalllyy nice frame with super close attention to detail and awesome component spec, but the geometry is... devisive. I really like the theory but I'd love to hear what the king of hardtails would think
I hope to have one in for review soon. Stay tuned.
This why I dig your channel, your honesty, experience, & knowledge. This video has me thinking about swapping my bikepacking mtb for a Pine Mountain cause Marin & it's supple.
This thing seems comparable to the BFeMAX you reviewed earlier - it will be interesting to hear if your ride impressions are similar.
Nukeproof scout and Orange crush 275 versions soon? My local dealer doesn't get Orange in stock till February, so Im scanning the geo charts way to closely.
It'll be interesting if that "compliance" will translate out on your Sedona trails, or will it actually feel a bit flexy/sloppy feeling instead. That's a lot of movement back there.
Looking forward to your ride review.
The pine mtn was super compliant here. I really enjoyed it. We'll see what this one does.
Was searching for this exact video this morning. Thanks for making it
Have you seen the recently announced rsd RS-291? Geo seem similar to this & the ESD but with the ability to run 27.5+.
Yup. It's designed around a 160mm fork. I can't wait to try one out sometime.
@@hardtailparty sounds like it might be over forked?
We'll see. I have pretty unique feelings on how much travel a hardtail should have.
Loved the review, and yes a review must be critical we each have different perspectives and values when looking at a bike. Keep up the great work mate, and g'day from down under
Have you ever thought about reviewing a Viathon? I have one, and I love it. I get GX eagle and a Reba, with Stan’s Arch wheels, plus a whole lot more for just $1700. It’s sure one great carbon 29er.
Yeah I've thought about it. I'd review one if they wanted to send me one, but it's pretty much an xc race bike. I don't race xc, so I'm probably not the right person to review it. Typically I'm not crazy about xc bikes, but I'm willing to keep an open mind.
@@hardtailparty Yea, totally see where you are coming from. I was originally looking for a 27.5+ trail hardtail, but the 120mm fork and great components was too tempting. It’s a quite playful bike out on the trail surprisingly, as it weighs a nifty 23 pounds.
Oof those thin rear stays. Takes me back to the vintage steel roadie frames.
They are so skinny,seems like flex could happen sideways as well as up and down..........but then what do I know.
Reach and wheelbase are insane on this, and 645mm stack. I understand ETT, but what does effective seat tube angle mean, is that with or without sag?
I think it is angle between bb and seat tube at stack height. Sometimes seat tube has bend on it so actual seat tube angle could be flatter.
YES!!! I have been keeping my eye on this bike since it was revealed. Can’t wait for your review!!!
Looks like that bad boy is gonna be nice and compliant. Would have been sweet if they had specked it out more similar to the Honzo...33 lbs for a hardtail is downright heavy. Do they just sell the frame?
Yes, see video description. The honzo esd was almost 1 lb lighter.
Love that paint job
It's so good. I wasn't expecting it to sparkle so much.
I am out of action with injuries (4 months down and probably another 4 to go - starting physio tomorrow - knee injuries are the worst). I was just about to buy a new bike when I got injured, either a Byrd or a Ragley...assuming the ride review stacks up then if / when I can get back to riding I think this is going to make the revised short list. Looking forward to the ride review.
Dang, sorry to hear about the injury. Wishing you a speedy recovery.
The new Pipedream Sirus looks like your dream bike
It sure does!
I really want to see your review on the aluminium and steel versions of the Norco Torrent, its got a ultra slack head angle and a steep seat tube angle. And I'm really interested to know how the frame feels for both aluminium and steel.
Awesome content!!
Im interested in a back to back test between them too.
Would love to see a Chromag Doctahawk review.
Me too, but chromag doesn't send bikes out for review to youtubers. I fear i don't have any terrain steep enough here for that bike.
Looks like a fun bike. Too bad they didn’t spec it with a little bit more expensive parts. Might be worth paying a bit more for some nicer bars, brakes, etc
Steel hardtails rock. As said reach seems huge. My XL Production Privee Shan is 454mm. Love the channel 🤘
With the short stem and steep sta, the reach isn't as crazy as i thought it feel.
As you said you can change components to suit yourself and your riding. Keep up the great work 👍👍
@@martynjewell5627 Id love to see an updated Shan with longer geo #s.
Excellent review. Every el roy review I've watched made me want one.. gonna have to find a way to rent it demo one.
Oh man, been hoping for this review since the bike was announced!! Awesome!
Great overview can't wait to hear your opinion on how it rides
This is the 3rd or 4th extreme geo bike in real production that isn't a meme as far as I know. Are the Arcturian, Honzo ESD, and El Roy it? There are some others that come close (MMMBop/Blue Pig), but this is the edge as far as I know. 63/78 is nuts! I love Marin's willingness to get out there.
There are more. Check out btr fab, on one Dave, and the doctahawk.
Looks amazing and love the paint finish. I do love a steel hardtail.
Are you going to review the new san quentin or not at all?
Do you think you could get your hands on a Vitus Sentier to do a review with it?
Waiting for the test ride.
I know it’s much more a XC bike and that is not your style but I would love to see you review the Viathon M.1. I have the G.1 and love it but I am looking for the between bike from the G.1 and my Ghost FRAMR 6.7 . Would love to hear what u would have to say about it.
I did also send them a email asking them to send u a bike
Stoked you were able to get this bike. And as far as the being harsh, I would definitely agree. I feel like with this bike at the price, they could have spec'd it better. Those Marin wheels are heavy. The bars and stem are surprisingly light but still.. You could get a little more for the price. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the frame
I love your reviews, honesty is good. If manufacturers offer more "bang for buck" on a bike does that equate to less profit margin? Consequently are others like this bike making more margin. Is the quality going to be in the frame?
Always love the honest review.. keep it up brother! Hardtail rules!🤟
Love your reviews Steve! Hopefully you can get the new carbon Spot Rocker in for a review.
Fingers crossed
No feeling hurt here!
Keep it real cuz thats what real hardtail riders do!!
my mondraker prime r + has a reach similar to this. I find it to be pretty good
Long live hardtail party!! Keep it up man! Love me a hardtail!
Can not wait for your ride on review 😊
Coming soonish
Any chance you could get a comparison between this and the Chromag Rootdown? Thanks
Edit: Just saw your other comments. Wish they would send you one to test. Have been looking at both of them to replace my mullet Rocky Mountain Soul ever since the Marin was released but haven’t seen much in the way of a direct comparison.
The rootdown rides almost identical to a steel middle child: overbuilt with great geo.
Also I am curious how would the flexible chainstays on this compare to Stanton Sherpa which some riders have said are very stiff compared to Cotic SolarisMax for example.
The switch 9er isn't very stiff. It reminds me of the solarisMAX.
@@hardtailparty Interesting, I wonder if the chainstays are the same as Stanton seems to use different replaceable dropouts on Sherpa compared to Switch9er, from what I see on they sell as replaceable parts on their website.
That’s a good looking bike. I’m looking forward to your ride report.
Just gotta say the I would not change the Marin stem. It’s lean, tight and cool looking w their brand. IMHO.
Really looking forward to the review on this
What is your fantasy geo chart for the grim donut HT?
I actually have it written down but I'm not quite ready to share it with the world yet. :)
@@hardtailparty I'd def do patreon money to pay waltworks to build it
Hi there! When is the Ride Review coming please? Thanks!
Soon
Thanks buddy! Looking forward to it! Thanks and stay safe! 👍🏻
This bike is ridiculous! I can’t wait for the ride review. I’m a steel HT lover. I watch all your vids. HT or GH (go home) lol
I ride a Brodie ClimbMax. They discontinued it for 2021, was hoping you’d check one out.
Has anyone heard of the transition trans am steel frame if so what’s take on it thanks
Great video again @hardtail party
I have a 2011 Transition TransAM 26er that I just retired. I had a ton of fun on it while it was my #1. Very good build quality and it ate up the trails. I retired it because I wanted something with more modern geo. Overall, a great bike.
You said thank you all cables are external (except for dropper) but no explanation as to why. So why? :) I just finished building 2018 Kona Explosif frame and wondering too why they keep with external routing design. Newbie here, thanks.
Internal routing is a total pain when you're building a frame or swapping parts out. The only benefit is aesthetics, and it often causes more rattling. I believe hardtails should be simple and easy to swap parts on and off. External cable routing is the simplest way to go.
Thanks for the video Steve.
Assegai 2.5" tires F & R coupled with a steel frame. 33.5 lbs? I don't wanna do any sustained climbs on that.
Not just assegais, but exo+ up front and dd in the rear! This bike isn't exactly designed for sustained climbs. I think this bike has one purpose: to go downhill FAST.
I have to ride 3 miles uphill on a paved public road to hit my steep trails and it does just fine. Yes it drags a bit, its no racer, but it's super comfy if you are happy enough plodding along. Now, sustained climbs on steep rough stuff - I think it's an amazing climber, however my reference points are significantly fewer than hardtail party's !
OMG I'm dying to have something like this. Looks a bit long for me though for my 5'4" height.
can you please do a review on a whyte 905 v3 2021 please
Its up to whyte, not me
I own a 2017 Marin pine mountain 1!
It would be nice to also make a comparison between ElRoy and San Quentin 👀
I've ridden a san quentin (no video, sorry), and I feel they're going to feel totally different.
My dream bike
As always, another great video! Any plans on reviewing the new RSD bike or the MC v2
I plan to review every hardtail on the planet. :)
Have u used an angleset? Which one and what do u recommend?
Great review, gotta say it how it is! That is why we tune in.
Would it be typical for a flexible frame like that to have the rear triangle "relax" or widen if it sat for a year with no axle or hub in it?
No. They weld it in place on a jig and the welds hold it in the exact spor. It wouldn't move in a thousand years.
I have a 2019 Pine Mountain so I am interested in how this compares since you’ve ridden a PM also.
I had a very similar reaction when I first saw it. Personally I’d go a honzo ESD because I think it will be more playful.
The no sliding drop outs didsapointed me. Does it have iscg tabs for a chain guide?
That paint job is so nice.
Thanks for the 5% off my Middlechild
Cushcore link may not be valid anymore. Didn’t work for me. I was thinking I should pick up a set.
Correct, the link is now invalid. Sorry about that.
So excited for you to review this! Have been hoping you would!
Please do a San Quentin
Dont even change man, stay honest. If people dont like it, they can...pedal off
my first 'good' bike was a Marin Fairfax hybrid from 2005, its still going w the original Sora groupset
You should review Chromag some day
Sadly, Chromag doesn't send bikes out for review... unless you're pinkbike.
The TH-cam revenue from a Chromag review video (filmed on the kind of trails Steve tends to ride) wouldn't be enough to cover the resulting chiropractor bills, haha
Waiting for the ride review 👀
Looks like an awesome frame and I’m sure those chain stays will translate to a great “steel is real” feel.
How much does the frame alone weigh?
Unsure. The pine mtn 2 was ~6.5lbs in a size med.
Honest reviews....the only way....... 👍👍
That color ! Take my money !
Always scares me seeing skinny chain stays, although they must be really strong considering the type of riding it’s designed for!
Deore 12 speed on a $2500+ bike? I know people rave about it but that seems like cheaping out.
Don't forget about the #steelisreal tax.
Can anyone tell me how tall he is?
Just to have a reference to the reach numbers.
I have ordered a very long bike, a Pole Tival and now as im waiting for the delivery im getting concerned about the extreme size.
I'm 5'6" with the torso of someone 5'10 and the legs of someone 5'0"
@@hardtailparty Thanks for your answer. Im looking forward to your review since the marin has the same Reach as the Pole.
I ordered the pole in Large cause im 184cm or around 6'0. It comes with a Reach of 510mm.
In medium its 480 just like the
Marin.
Also, thanks for your awesome content.
8:35 PREACH.
The outro... #oddlysatisfying.
Bike looks so good
Deore 12 speed versus a Deore 11 speed on a new bike, other than losing a gear, is there really much other difference?
Yes, there are a few major differences. 12 speed requires a microspline hub, 11 speed requires an hg driver. The 12 speed has a much lower gear as well, and the high gear is higher as well. Is it worth it? That's up to you.
@@hardtailparty Thanks! keep up the good work!
@@hardtailparty with the release of the 6100 series 12 speed Deore they also released an 11-51 cassette for the new 5100 series 11 speed...
@@chiefsilverback ah, that's good to know. And it works with an hg driver? Sounds even better than 12 speed. I wonder why anyone would go to 12 speed with that option .
@@hardtailparty apologies for a slow reply, I don't do much messaging on YT. Yes to the HG driver for the new 11 speed 11-51 cassette.
I personally run XT 11 speed with a Sunrace 11-50 cassette using the Wolftooth Components Goatlink. Works like a charm!
I was wondering when Steve would get his hands on an El Roy.
Wouldn't this flex be harmful for the frame which could result in a failure?
No, it's designed to do this.