What happened to Mega Evolution?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Mega Evolution is such a beloved mechanic. But as games came out it almost became something evil and twisted. Why did it take this turn?
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I have a theory that the reason the Sun/Moon Mega Dex entries are so dark is because the Alola Region lost a war against Kalos due to Mega Evolution. All the dex entries about the Pokemon being merciless to its opponents could be first-hand accounts of Alolans seeing them in battle.
The ones about the mons being in pain, or killing its trainer, could either be myths (hard to tell when you’re busy running for your life), or they may be Alola’s botched attempts to recreate Mega Evolution.
This leads to Alola’s defeat, and the demonization of Mega Evolution in the Dex.
Or it could just be the Rotom in your dex messing with you. It is part ghost, after all.
??? Didn't they have the war with Palda or is this Different
@@Pupupwa It's unknown
Reminder that we at least confirm 2 timelines, the original where no one knows what infinity energy is, then those that find it and start wars and technology booms. So these games may just be in their own universe relating to eachother?
love this theory
@@makinyoumad9498 They had a war with UNOWN???? It's like one of the weakest Pokemon ever!!! (jk)
Rotom made propaganda to make mega evolution look bad. The Kanto Pokédex is perfectly fine when describing the Megas though
And all of that because he also wants mega evolution
Mega Beedrill is stated to repeatedly stab its prey with its poisonous stingers until they drop dead, yeah that it is totally "perfectly fine."
@@MontyMoleLoreMasterbut base does that to😂
@@Mcs22398 Yeah true, they did state that in Crystal (alongside the fact that the Beedrill kidnaps its victim to be brutally murdered by the rest of the hive), but I just wanted to point out how brutal Mega Beedrill is lol.
Fun fact: Pinsir loves his mega evo because of its sick wings
I love Pincher
Pisncher
Pisncher is my favorite pokeyman
PINSIR
I love how 6/7 is making fun that I don't remember how to spell a pokemon I don't care about
There's actually evidence to back up the False-True Mega Evolution. In the anime, when Korrina first mega evolves her Lucario, it went rampant. It took a while for them to get used to it. That's where it became a True Mega Evolution.
That’s interesting I’ll buy that
makes sense now
I feel that’s more being unprepared and overwhelmed by the massive increase of power and the Lucario’s aura being pushed to its limits. Gotta get used to that.
Wouldn't even take the anime too much into consideration, it warps stuff too much compared to the games, creating it's own moves out of nowhere, having unevolved mons beat things that should take them out in one move, it's just that bad
That's not evidence, as the anime isn't canon.
My personal headcanon is that the Pokemon only feel pain when _forced_ into Mega Evolving. That would explain how you're able to Mega Evolve Pokemon you just got from trading, who you have no bond with. It would also explain why Lysandre is able to Mega Evolve his Gyrados.
This is also partially supported by the anime, where Korrina's Lucario goes out of control when it Mega Evolves, because Korrina didn't bond/train with Lucario properly. Another example, in the Volcanion movie the villains use a device to force multiple Pokemon into Mega Evolving, and that also depicts them feeling pain from it.
The Mega Stone and Keystone are required to _use_ Mega Evolution, but the bond between trainer and Pokemon is required to _master_ it.
EDIT: Okay so yeah, basically EXACTLY the "True Mega Evolution" theory.
I think she bonded with Lucario, I don't think she trained it well enough
Another thing worth considering is that the regional ability is Z-Moves, similar in concept but with a far greater kickback, it leaves you and your Pokemon out of energy, and Necrozma's seems to be on the verge of making the trainer keel over
They probably tried to do it the way they were familiar, expecting a level of kickback in the form of "OH MY GOD MY ORGANS ARE MELTIIIIING"
there was a movie about that
I like the theory that the Rotom Dex is letting its ghost-type tendencies creep in for the Pokedex entries... Because Mega forms aren't the only ones with creepy dex entries. The whole regional dex is like that, and all the games following it are significantly _less_ dark. So yeah, I blame the Rotom (as in that _specific_ Rotom... The Rotom Phones are much more chill).
Alolas pokedex talks a lot about invasive species, pokemon suffering and negative impacts humans can have...It's like Rotom's entries care much more about the pokemon side of things, talking less about their science or behaviors, but more on their mortality, suffering and habitats
the rotom phones can play games, the rotom dex is just going insane from lack of enrichment
10:23 Mega Evolution last appeared in the main series in the Let's Go games, a little after Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. It was also mentioned in Scarlet and Violet (though not by name).
How was it mentioned is scarlet and violet?
@@Giantrainbow01 There's some entries at the academy in Scarlet and Violet by a magazine called Occulture, which discusses Paradox Pokémon based on limited sightings and the Scarlet/Violet Book and often derives unreasonable theories about their origin. The Pokédex descriptions for Paradox Pokémon in the opposite versions to which they appear are based on the magazine entries.
Roaring Moon is mentioned to resemble a Salamence affected by a phenomenon that occurs in a certain region.
I totally believe that they intentionally made mega evolution seem bad next generation aka gen 7, because they had no desire to ever really use it again because it wasn’t fun and exciting anymore or a surprise which is what they like to prioritize ., mega evolution was so popular that they had no choice but to use it in non-mainline titles, as well as bring it back for legends ZA
Reason was simple. It basically allowed buffs to favorite pokemon.
@@arnowisp6244 If a mon need a Mega to become somewhat functional, why don't just give it a good evolution? I understand that it isn't plausible for 3 stages evolution, but for those with 1 stage or 2, they should just get a good cross gen evo.
Personally, I think it’s just a Alola propaganda or misunderstanding of mega evolutions, either intentionally or not intentionally trying to make them look bad
But may i ask why would they sabotage mega evolution's reputation in the first place?
@@Brain_Dead_LuisI think to explain why they shouldn’t come back in later gens. Bc if you as a player read those you wouldn’t want to subject your mons to it yk?
@@Brain_Dead_Luis because the people of a Alola think moves z cooler probably and it’s like most countries with propaganda make themselves look good and make people not them look bad
I actually think it could be the other way around. Kalos is beautifying mega evolution too much and wants to promote it as a wonderful testament of a trainer's bond with their Pokemon, yet Alola is just addressing the harsh reality of it.
Nah its def just Gamefreak tryna make us hate mega evolution so they can do other gimmicks
I hope Mega Evolution become a staple. It was the best added mechanic; new life to old pokémon was phenomenal. Wouldn't mind if the pokémon get different abilities based on which abilty the user had. Let's say for example, Charizard Y blaze becomes drought the hidden abilty turns into something else maybe Aerilate or a fire type version. More options would be great.
Okay okay... Here me out... What if those "meteorites" that rained down from Hoenn were actually miss-shots from the ultimate weapon? Like excess energy that split off from the main beam and got launched across nearby regions?
Does the timeline work for that?
Hear
That... actually IS the explanation dude, as the mega stones are mined out of meteorites that were bathed in the Ultimate Weapon's energy when AZ first fired it. Like I'm pretty sure we get those this exact bit from some NPC.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 Oh. Okay.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087y’know not sure if there ever was theory for it, but ever wonder if someone has a XY+ORAS lore board where Deoxys, the Mega stone meteor and AZ’s Laser cannon going pass the atmosphere all connected? I mean Deoxys was said to be a virus that was born from some sort of laser and all that based on some of its old dex entries.
I believe the sun/moon mega dex entries being dark because the Rotom Pokedex itself likes being dark with their entries.
My head Canon is that the Pokedex entries for mega Pokemon we're written during a series of unethical experiments forcing Pokemon to mega evolve. And that when a trainer with a strong bond with their Pokemon mega evolution Pokemon that Bond allows the Pokemon to withstand the pain. Kind of, that it's willing to sacrifice itself in an act of friendship.
better than any excuse X/Y made tbh.
We also could just say idk, maybe mega works differently between the two because of time travel theory and allat? idk. retcons be like that.
IMO, they don't just withstand the pain. In DBZ, Goku goes from being barely able to move after briefly using Kaioken x4 to spamming Kaioken x10 after a bit of training. Mega Evolution can work in a similar way, where the energy released by the Mega Stone can be distributed more evenly across the Pokemon's body if the trainer knows how to properly use their Key Stone and the damage caused by such a sudden burst of energy can be minimized through frequent training.
Ash-greninja: hah i have your guys strength without the weakness
Even after being nerfed?
The others: You don't even exist anymore.
Ash-greninja: _disengaging emoji_
What the fuck is an ash greninja like it’s ash colored?
@@MrSponge56 it's a transformation of a greninja that has battle bond
I'll die on the hill that ORAS and XY don't conflict at all. XY requires you to have a strong bond and use keystones and the energy comes from the crystals in Annistar. That crystal most likely fell from space. The only thing ORAS has different is them specifying that mega stones are from space, but that can easily be handwaved as meteorites just having the energy required
The Ultimate Weapon did fire super high into space before arching back down to hit whatever AZ was aiming at, so the meteorites being bathed in the energy is entirely plausible. The crystals could even be from really big ones that landed first.
I'm still mad that they did this to Mega Evolution.
It’s unbalanced as hell and a way of making money giving it mostly to fan favorites like tyranitar, mewtwo and charizard, while leaving forgotten pokemon to be more forgotten. But man I love the designs of them I hope they come back
@@KeithKemp_I hate some of their designs but I agree that it sucks for forgotten Pokémon to not get the same love as the popular ones.
Doesnt matter how much you love your pokemon, your love isnt going to fix a dislocated jaw.
I saw a theory that megas are very painful and thats why they require a strong bond to be able to endure the pain like how your pokemon just refuses to die because of your friendship even though the move should have caused it to faint
ngl i feel like the "pushing z crystal" theory is probably the most accurate.
if we get more edgy dex entries in legends Z then id be convinced its gamefreak spiting us
Mega inheritly is about bond, mutual understanding and teamwork if we go by the anime. Using that logic, at least our starter or the pokemon you're most acquaint with should be able to use the gimmick... But that brings in the question in both cases why do so random few pokemon have the ability to mega to begin with??? Its just GF being lazy in reality but I kinda like thinking that kalos SHOULD have been the reason its restrained. a great war causing suffering that may have divided pokemon and human suddenly repairing itself and out came mega within the deep roots of some pokemon, thus leading to a research mystery on what REALLY is mega? sounds interesting to me.
8:06 the strongest sorcerer in history vs the strongest sorcerer of today
1:48~1:55 ORAS is in the *same* generation that Megas were introduced in.
I always liked the idea that Pokédex entries are what is believed by the people in the area, common legends, misconceptions, which makes it easier for people when their fav Mon has some messed up unbelievable stuff going on! It can also be used to explain away some of the inconsistencies in games, what with driftloon being around kids so much
They showed the symbol of mega evolution in the ZA trailer. Its probably gonna become cool again.
as much as i hate mega's guts bc of how poorly it was handled on the game front as a whole, Z-A has *Every* thing to it to make up for the mistakes GF made what feels like a decade ago.
tyranitar's back literally rips. how did you not mention it
Looking at the 3D model, that dex entry is a complete lie.
Its back is fine but the spikes got longer.
Theory two is actually canon in the anime. It takes a strong bond of friendship to properly mega evolve a Pokémon. A mega evolved lucario almost kills Pikachu.
It’s the only gimmick that actually changes how Pokemon look
Gigantamax.
Man, reading the pokedex entry of Mega Gardevoir, makes me fell relieved that its my favorite.
you forgot about the Let's Go games, as they have the gen 1 mega evolutions (although they play a minor role)
so the switch has already had mega evolutions for years
Not to mention Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX even though it’s a side game.
Remember in the anime when gym leader Korrina tried to mega evolve for the first time? The Lucario went rampage and thirsty over destruction. Until after some training with an old lady, they finally understand each other and can freely mega evolve without pain. This can become a proof to the theory of false and true mega evolution.
Also, remember the Movie Volcanion? The bad guy there using something called dark mega evolution. He can just mega evolve many pokemon at will, without bond or consideration. The pokemon seems feeling much discomfort during the process, similar to the false mega evolution theory.
Mega evolution is cool, but terra type added so much dynamics to the game that I wish it would become a permanent effect in Pokémon. Such a fun mechanic
Mega Evolution was alluded to in Scarlet and Violet with Roaring Moon's dex entry.
My personal theory is similar to the false Mega Evo one. Pokemon can mega evolve in the wild, and those are the ones that exhibit violent tendencies. A M-Glalie in the wild will starve because it can't eat. It might not even be able to de-evolve back without having a trainer.
M-Salamence could be something similar to what you brought up, where if you don't have a strong enough bond with it and then try to Mega Evolve it, it simply won't be able to tell you apart from its enemies.
Mega was in let’s go
Omega and alpha were still gen 6...
Nintendo was just smokin that evil wizard pack while sun and moon was happening
My head cannon: The weapon was fired and that made the energy surge that caused Mega Evolution, and since the weapon was fired up and thus to space, there were remnants/meteors that fell with that energy which is how megas got around the world, and why they think in Hoenn that it happened because of the astrological phenomenon… Each region has different dex entries so each region may have different interpretations or understandings to Mega Evolution which is why I believe that it is the island’s mysticism and culture that has them think megas are horrible for the Pokemon, while they prefer to use their more “holy” z-moves
Fun fact: In german salamace is called Brutalanda what means brutal and blood lust
In Roaring Moon's dex entry it mentions that
"According to an article in a dubious magazine, this Pokémon has some connection to a phenomenon that occurs in a certain region"
The edgy writers sure have gone downhill since and after megas were intoduced. Its kinda sad we coulda had cool fun stories but esgy depresso intern thinks hurting your partner would be a good idea for an all in all friendship based game
My theory is that Rotom lead into it's ghost typing and made everything deadly.
I think there should be more Pokémon horror stuff based on THIS
It's funny to think Gamefreak went with a dark lore in Sun/Moon, took a huge step back in Sword/Shield and them went straight back with their next two games having the most mature content ever in their games explicity told over the main storyline
I like the weird ones like glailie and scizor because it shows the bond between the trainer and the pokemon to the point that they're both willing to put themselves in danger because they trust each other and know things will be alright
Probs gonna make it more brutal with legends ZA. In horizons they’re going after these rocks called the eternal blessing. The bad guys used one to create some mist that filled their Pokémon with power and sent them into a rage. Their boss also has a shiny zygarde dog form
9:52 Funny to think they doubled down on this dex entry with Annihilape
Bro really said “Ray-QWAZA” and “Ray-KWAYZA” twice in the first five minutes to beat the mispronunciation allegations
7:24 A train is that you????
Seems like it
The last instance of mega evolution in the games is the let's go games on the switch, where they retconned it back to or simalar to the original friendship based lore.
1:54 quick correction, it’s the same gen, it’s a remake of gen 3 but with the XY engine.
I figure the whole story from ORAS could just be mythology, the draconids just made their own explanation for the phenomenon like many cultures do in real life
Imagine having a shadow slamance, purifying it, helping it over come its trama and making it so it can live a normal life. Then you mega evolve it and then youre basically back to square one
Roaring Moon’s dex entry mentions Mega Evolution surprisingly.
The "false" and "true" Mega Evolution theories can stand if you take it less like a species divided thing and more like something that takes effect on an individual basis. For Mega Glalie, what if they couldn't move their jaws in those dex entries because the only record of them was from rushed/forced Mega Evolutions by people who didn't really get close to the Pokemon they were researching? We see in Megas like Mega Steelix and Mega Diancie that parts of their body can float and move around detached from their body perfectly fine, and we can even clearly see in the animated Mega Evolutions trailer for ORAS that Mega Glalie can indeed move its jaw to bite down on things. So a "false" Mega Evolved Glalie would have those defects, while a "true" Mega Evolved Glalie would be able to retain full control over its new Mega Evolved body.
This stands more to reason when you think about how those dex entries came to be in the first place. In Gen 6, Mega Stones were rare items that were only entrusted to truly powerful trainers that had a deep understanding of Pokemon. Which leads to research on Mega Evolution being sparse, and thus no dex entries on them existed. But by Gen 7, Mega Stones and Key Stones started to get handed out by literal shop vendors, so any random nobody can grab a couple and spew out shiny new "research" on the forms for some extra bit of grant money.
I like to believe Mega evolution *does* cause such pain/distress (even when bonded) and would normally indeed cause rampages and brutality. And it is only through both: the bond between trainer and pokemon that the pokemon can endure the change, AND the support of the trainer helping keep their pokemon calm throughout the process until through enough training, both parties can fully adjust and activate without issue. But if that trust is broken, the pokemon could turn violent.
a possibility could be a difference in culture between places like kalos and hoenn that may look upon mega evolution for favourably and reflect that in their pokedexes, and places like alola that may culturally view mega evolution as more unethical which would also be reflected in their pokedexes
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When Legends ZA arrives I will finally be able to actually use Mega Evolutions.
I tend to only usw new Pokemon in every new generation and since none of the new Pokemon in XY had one I totally missed out on the whole feature.
First I actually used was Manectric in Omega Ruby.
I forget where i heard it, but there was a theory that the way trainers in Alola treat Z-moves is also reflected in how they use Mega Stones. The overuse of Z-moves led to the overuse of Mega evolution, causing the pain and misery from the improper bonds from the abuse of the power.
Mega evolutions was brought back in Pokémon let’s go
Mega evos and Gigantamax forms were the best becasue its like your pokemon were going super saiyan to turn the tide of a battle. The stadium music for Sword & Shield made the whole thing seem so dramatic and epic. Ive been a player since blue and red, completed almost every main title game and enjoyed all to some extent but Scarlet and violet just didnt tick the box for me, the ring pop hats were just daft and having the legendary pokemon like a cereal box prize took away any cool factor to catching it after/along the journey. I did really enjoy legends arceus and will keep an open mind for AZ
It more crazy if you question if the only reason they experience pain is that it's not the place of origin of mega evolution so the crystals are crazy unstable
I personally feel like they always kind of wanted Mega Evolution to be this dark thing given the story of X and Y but quickly realized how much it clashed with the mechanic itself and so the story writers held it out until Megas were out of the spotlight to reveal their original intentions.
I'm gonna replay gen 6 soon, it's so cool!
To me the reason why having such a ridiculously stong bond is required is because of those side effects. Without that bond there is nothing counteracting those.
Honestly about the “metor” showers, maybe the hit from the ultimate weapon sent pieces up into space, and they rained down on Hoenn?
0:00 TEH let’s go games had it actually
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I agree.
Mega charizard X is the most brutal mega because it's skin gets charred because of its internal heat.
In anime there's episode that's team rocket use machine to force mega evolution on Cynthia garchomp and he became basically like sun moon pokedex and look really painful but when Cynthia connect with him again pain go away
I’m gonna go with Mega Evolution was discovered in different ways in different regions. It’s entirely possible that both regions have it wrong for what is the actual reason for it but have to try and find a way to explain it much like humans said lightning came from Zeus.
The true origins of mega evolution remain a mystery and the current lore is only theories. The parts from all regions that inter lap is the information bringing us closer to the truth
Mega Audino should have been a regular evolution, it was so beautiful.
I may be wrong but Mega Evolution dropped in Go after Ultra Sun and Let’s Go has the Gen 1 Megas as well
The new pokemon game is coming and mega evolutions too coming back pokemon Legend ZA you forget ABOUT it
you forgot that in the let’s go games you can mega evolve
Maybe the dex entry’s are so dark because of the war implications/war
Something I should note, that was entirely forgotten: Sun and Moon is NOT the last games that enables Mega Evolution. It's rarely known, but the RE-REMAKES of Gen 1, Let's Go Eevee and Pikachu, which mind you don't even allow your Pokemon to hold items or utilize their abilities, has the ENTIRE repritore of Gen 1 Mega Evolutions, and even has Alolan forms of some Pokemon available. It's actually quite confusing the directions Gamefreak takes for some reason, especially since a big draw of Megas was not only the stat boost, but the change in ability as well. IE, Mega Charizard Y just kind of being a slightly stronger Charizard without Drought.
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USUM wasn’t the last time we saw Mega Evolution tho. LGPE has Megas in it
LGPE's Mega Evolution descriptions are a lot lighter, so I wonder if Alola just has a stigma against Megas. Do any of the NPCs natively from Alola even use Mega Pokémon?
Mega Beedrill will always be my favorite glass cannon. But poor Butterfree didn’t get shit.
I liked mega only bc it breathed life into old Pokémon the needed the buff or sometimes just the rebrand. A couple really didn’t need it tho
To summarize this video, in the end he said only Nintendo knows why. It's somehow a clickbait but it's still entertaining to watch if you don't read dex entries and don't know much about mega evolution lore.
4:12 omg wolfe vgc
beedrill no longer gets legs. The most terrible fate.
To be fair OR/AS takes place in a whole separate universe, it wouldn't make sense for their mega evolutions to have happened the exact same way as in X/Y.
Not all megas suffer, I think the reason this was done because not all pokémon can handle the power output. The nature of these pokémon are often evil, so it makes sense. Power nurtures your character if your evil, well you walk the oath to ruin. Salmence even without Meaga evolution goes around buring towns out of joy for being able to fly. Just pokémon handle the power better, though even some waver. I think it's based on moral alignment. Those who are more just have a better chance of not becoming corrupted while those who are evil to begin with only go down fruther & suffer.
Yeah I wouldn’t want my Pokémon to experience pain while I make it fight to near death
Correction : Mega evolution didn’t disappear after Ultra Sun and Moon, but rather after pokemon let’s go Pikachu and Eevee
nah bruh, my salamance is truer than the cheese man. Like why would a mostly-unstoppable-killer-reptile not want to turn into ULTRA-KILLING-REPTILE
Analog horror:mega mayhem
Always enjoyed sun/mon and usum but never knew the lore was dark looking forward to a vid about that
I think you could say that the people of Kalos weren't aware that other regions had access to Mega Evolution simply by the fact that they're going off of history, and not actually visiting other regions in the modern era.
But tbh I don't consider remakes to be canon anyway so 🤷♂️
Sableye’s gem rips from its chest
mega salamence dex has elden ring item descriptions for dex entries 😂
Maybe they just didn’t want to make more mega evolutions, I mean adding an entire evolution to older an pokemon sounds harder than giving them a funny crystal hat or making them bigger.
That sounds like them being lazy. They were creative back then
10:20 - This is incorrect. Mega Evolution is also featured in Let's GO Pikachu and Let's GO Eevee which came out in 2018, one year after USUM.
Besides this, Mega Evolution is also featured in Pokemon GO and Masters EX (although these two are spin off mobile games).
Mega Evolution was also seen in the anime several times since, including during the World Championships where Cynthia mega evolved her Garchomp, and Ash mega evolved his Lucario. All this happened near the end of Ash's final season in the anime.
Overall, the point is that Mega Evolution didn't just disappear and has been appearing in Pokemon media multiple times.
Kalos mega evolution lore: 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Alola mega evolution lore: 😳😥🔪💀😳😥🔪💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Mega evolution appears one singe time after sun and moon actually
Its available in Pokemon Let's Go Eevee and Pikachu
So are we gonna forget that there’s a split in the timeline? Two different timelines were great when with the weapons eruption
1) weapon was not activated therefore mega evolutions do not exist hence why gens 1-5 do not have any information about Megas
2) weapon was fully activated releasing mega radiation and in the process mega evolution. Hence why let’s go are remakes of gen 1 that contain mega meaning all the previous gen’s also have mega
I only recently learned about sun and moon having megas very recently, I never played those games past their main story!
Megas were in let's go, as well as Pokemon Go. Those are technically the newest iterations of it, just FYI.