@@Bejito81 fair, but also the main purpose of using a card of that caliber is to completely remove any potential GPU limit in these games. It allows it to be a full power comparison of the two CPU's. I'm just curious how much that will change when you start climbing up. Edit - Whiffa beat me too it.
@@Bejito81 you won't see a difference in 1440p in most cpus for the reason that it's more gpu reliant and mainly depends on the game too so it's honestly the best too have it tested at 1080p to show the minimal differences between the two
I have overclocked the 5700G RAM at 4200 because 5700G can do that(you can t do that with 5800X). Also, once overclocked, the 5700G had 15500 score on cinebench while 5800x had 16000. 3dmark scored 12600 for my 5700G as well as 12600 for my 5800X. I am gonna tell you, once overclocked, the 5700G do close the gap on the 5800X.
it doesn't close the gap at all. In productivity workloads such as R23 that mostly only cares about IPC and clock speeds sure but in actual games the 5800X still has a generational leap over the 5700G due to the small cache size. And at the end of the day if you're resorting to overclocking to close the gap the 5800X can simply do the same.
I honestly think that the new 5000 APUs are a good mid to high end CPUs, although the 5700G does have a big difference between its older brother, it's just as capable, and not to mention having a decent iGPU included.
7:09 There is engine limitation in GTA V. It does not go much beyond 180 and starts get stuttery after that. And also thats why 5800x got worse 1% and 0.1% results. Also i can get the same results with my 3300x and rx 570 at 720p low in GTA V.
When I first built my pc I didn't have a gpu I started with a ryzen 3 2200g and I could game on it with settings turned down but I was happy. And now I have a ryzen 7 5700g paired with an evga rtx 3070 ftw3 ultra and I can run all my games at 3440x1440p ultra at 80-100 fps
Honestly its cute to do 3080 vs a little APU, but i would prefer to see how the integrated stacks up compared to the cheep version of the 3000 series like the 3060 and also the previous 1660 and 2060. Im still on my 1070Ti so i wonder if its worth it going onboard.
Just get 3600 or 5600X now, unless you somehow need slow iGPU for something. 5600G and 5700G are overhyped, since both are badly gimped by their halved L3 cache and slower clockspeeds, which basically makes them drop between Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs with similar core counts in real world scenarios.
@@retrofraction 10400 and 11400. I also saw a 10700kf or something for around $300. Despite the tremendous failure that the 11900K is, the i3-i7’s are actually solid and theres decent cheap gpus in there. An 11400 is significantly faster than a 3600X, and you dont need a Z board for a non unlocked intel cpu.
@@Purjo92 ryzen 5700g is a 8 core 16 thread processor. Base clock of 3.8 ghz and up to 4.6 turbo boost. And you're getting good cpu and gpu for $360. What else do you expect? And you're talking about slower clock speed. Ryzen 5 3600 has a boost clock of 4.2 ghz. And this one 4.6 ghz. Also 2 more core and 4 more threads.
Just get AMD Athlon 3000G or Ryzen 3200G / 3400G, those are good enough for web browsing for next 5 years. These new APUs are only great for those, who want Ryzen 5 3600 / 5600X performance, but also need stop cap solution before buying real gaming GPU.
I built both of my parents 3400G systems, they've had zero issues and my mother even started playing small games on it. The APU was a little buggy, but I snagged 1650's for both of them before covid. Dad's got 32GB of Ram, and Mom's got 16. Both have Sata SSD's for boot.
I have a 5800X, so this was interesting! And cool to see the APU have that much performance! Also: I'm even more thrilled to see Brett and UFD getting on with the benchmark videos. I know it's on top of a rough and unpleasant time for the entire team - but I still think the latest videos are awesome!
This review my friend only gives even more credibility to AMD claims of Zen 3+ with Vcache having so much more performance. It is obvious from this test how much Zen architecture relies on cache memory.
I managed to get a 5700g for as low as 180€ brand new with cooler instead of the 290~320 of the 5800x, so I don't mind at all losing some performance, I care even less about esports, I see as an absolute win
I’m curious how the 5700g scales with higher speed memory, it should max out higher than the 5800x due to not being a chiplet on infinity fabric. At least, if it’s similar to the 4750g pro it should clock much higher ram, maybe make up for the lack of cache somewhat
much underrated comment. such info is pretty hard to find... actually since i got the 5800x i was kinda upset about the high idle power consumption (or at low load). meanwhile i found out the chiplet design is the reason for this, which basically makes it always consume ~20 watts on top. for this reason i just sold my 5800x and 5700g incoming in few days... im a software dev working from home and my PC runs for round 15h a day. and 90% of that with very low load. Im very curious about the changes in watts from wall. measured different scenarios with the 5800x. in the optimal scenario i can even connect my 2 monitors to the mainboard and drive the OS graphics with the iGPU. And it should be possible to still set specific applications to use the 1080TI for computation and getting that passed through the board connectors. This will most likely save another 50watts consumed by the GPU when a lot of "office work" is being done, like microsoft teams + code editor, mail-program etc.. in such scenarios the 1080 TI goes up the first power state and starts to consume 60-70 watts instead of the usual 15 idle
Upgrading a GPU can be tricky especially if you’re planning on selling your current GPU. So to have an option to be able to sell a GPU before purchasing is a pro here.
While I'm really happy to see an 8-core launch at a good price point, the 5800x is still very-much justified in existing. The 5700g didn't obliterate the 5800x in price-to-performance as some PCMR bois were claiming.
Eh, barely. The 10850K and 3900X are both arguably stronger all-around alternatives, even if you sacrifice some gaming performance in CPU-limited scenarios. And all that aside, the 5800X was kind of dumb from the outset. 8 Zen 3 cores = ~10 Zen 2 cores, yeah, but we were already getting 12 of those for $410-420 a year ago.
5800X is currently about $400 which seems high compared to alternatives. It is interesting that the somewhat similar 5700G will have a MSRP lower than this. Or maybe this is a clue that you won't be able to actually buy one for MSRP. The 5700G is really for the people who don't need a dedicated GPU, or can't buy one right now. If you need more graphics performance than the 5700G can give then no need to buy one.
@@billj5645 At $400, I actually like the 5800X a little more. It's still a bit dumb next to the 3900X and 5900X, but IMO it's a little better than the 10850K at this new, reduced price.
@@mckrackin5324 I think that $279 was a limited Black Friday deal, and I missed it. Right now it seems that the 5700g is $299-319. The 5800X seems to be $341 on Amazon (for how long I don't know). That pricing is pretty close. At $400 I would not understand the price difference between them for what amounts to a little bit more cache. At $299 to $341 maybe it is understandable. The 5700g has not gotten the attention I thought it would, maybe people buying a cpu to build their own computer are intending to put in a discrete graphics card and the onboard graphics is not of any value to them.
did I miss something or is this 5700g apu getting well over 60fps in most modern games at 1080p/high settings? thats hella impressive and more than acceptable to start gaming on PC with as a starting point...
Can you try testing with the PCIE slot to run at 3.0 rather than 4.0? Some of the performance differences are really large. I’m just curious to see if the difference is cache and TDP related or if the lack for PCIE 4.0 support is really hurting the 5700G that much. Anyway, great vid. Keep up the good work!
5700G is monolithic meaning it runs way cooler with less latency vs the chiplet design of the 5800x. Also, the memory write speeds of the 5700G is over 2x that of the 5800x resulting in much better performance for basic tasks such as web browsing.
Seriousness question, and id really appreciate an answer on this if possible...did you run these tests out of the HDMI port on the graphics card? Or the HDMI on the motherboard...?
Considering that he's using a 3060 card so that the processors can work fully as processors, then it'd be running from the GPU. That's kind of the point of these. The 5700G has integrated graphics, the 5800X does not. So to keep the variables constant he'd use the dedicated GPU in both.
Thank you for looking at this. It is amazing how you are able to get all of this done. Decent enough value. I wonder how the 5700G compares to the 3700X.
Valid to show the performance difference at lower resolutions and mention the those differences diminish at higher rezz's.. Though it would be even nicer to show prospective buyers some results at 1440p and 4k. (to illustrate that at 4k you're mostly always limited by GPUs)
I fully expect a lot of the difference being down to the cache amount, but I am also curious how much is down to the power limits. Can the APUs be "overclocked" and given a power limit of 125W like the 5800X?
That difference is probably from the PCIe limitations, if it had 4.0 lanes it would probably keep up with the 5800x and that’s probably why they made it as a 3.0 chip.
Just picked up the 5700G. My goal is 1440p 60fps. Dont really care much for frames higher than that. I wa a little worried but with this, I think I'm in the clear
With the right motherboard and cooling the 5700g can be overclocked (using only boost) into a formidable chip. All cores at 4.2-4.6ghz with 4.7-4.85 single core performance was easily attainable for me and made up a 20% gain over stock.
All the best for the future man. Good luck with the move and when you're ready would love to see more benchmarks with the 5700G. Hope your son gets the care he needs and wish you had M4A.
@@TheUrbanRebel You are right but still it can support pcie4. I searched a bit and found that if motherboard has also role in supporting PCIE 4 so this must be the case for me
AMD APU's are getting better and better each generation. It won't be long before we won't have to worry about buying a high end gpu because the apu will do it all.
If you really care about immersive gaming [on a budget] you would grab a PC, 5700G in this case, a tin of medium grey paint for a wall (128:128:128 on RGB scale) and most importantly an Optoma 720P DLP projector (about the same price as the APU alone so dirt cheap). So your 720p tests should be done with MAX settings.
Hi, AMD crippled the L3 cache on the 5700G but it wouldn't be very powerful with it. If you can get a GPU close to a 1050 TI use a 5600X /or 5800X, all Igpu's are slow. I wouldn't buy a 5800X cpu without getting a great cooler, running at 90* is too hot. Take care! 🙂
1080p has been the golden standard for a long time now. its the minimum I can personally play on a modern monitor (my 1440p monitor normally) without straining my eyes. Maybe I've been staring at my monitor for too long, who knows - but 1080p is the golden standard for minimum quality IMO.
Just upgraded my kid from a 3700x to a 5800x. Dang this thing runs hot! His stock water cooler just barely does the job. On the cinebench benchmark pushing the CPU to 100% that sucker creeps up from 85c to 90c. Scary hot. We have a be quiet cooler on the way. I hope that helps. For gaming he averages 65c to 75c. It runs good and fast but nowhere near as cool as my 5900x in my pc with the same water cooler. But given we can't find a 3080 video card anywhere this upgrade ought to help him get some more frames from his 5700xt. It seems to boost him 30-40 in Apex with all the settings set to high now.
Why in the fuck you do this? You are not playing or doing anything that requires real GPU? I wonder, why would you then need minor update in CPU side? 4750G sucked compared to 3700X and 5700G sucks compared to 5800X, since both APUs are horribly L3 cache gimped and have lower clockspeeds due to worse silicon quality compared to X variants. Only moros get these high end APUs for anything more than stop gap solution, before buying real graphics card, and even most ITX cases can take discrete GPU as stop gap (like HD 7000 series which cost like nothing), so why even then? If you happen to have some "real" need for 4 liter case, then fine.
@@Purjo92 You can play any new game at 720p low/medium and get playable framerates with these APUs HD 7000 series won't give you anything more than 10 fps unless if it's an eSports title or something
The option here is to buy the 5700G and not upgrade the GPU at all. Get a cheap Motherboard and just make it your office/ media PC later on. If AMD confirmed an AM4 refresh prior to going to AM5 and DDR5 then we'd have a different ball game... Plenty of well priced motherboards due to the 1:1 ratio of GPUs to Motherboards being blown out due to miners running multiple GPUs per motherboard = excess motherboards in theory...
There are three major factors that make the 5800X stand out that much. One of them you can probably remove through the BIOS. The two others you'll just have to live with. 1. 32 vs 16 MB of cache is pretty much the difference between Zen 2 and Zen 3. Zen 2 has 16 MB per CCX Zen 3 has one 32 MB chunk. Zen 3 APUs have just the 16 MB so sort of the worst of both but with the other architectural changes of Zen 3. 2. PCIe gen 4 vs gen 3 is probably not that important unless you use a monster of a graphics card... Which you are. So that could be a factor. At least from what I've been able to find the iGPU doesn't take up eight lanes like it did on the 2xxx and 3xxxx series of APUs. 3. The lower TDP is followed by similarly low power limits. Unless you activate something like PBO the BIOS is going to limit the APU as far as I remember to 88W and the CPU to around 140W. That certainly can end up being significant in CPU bound scenarios. And both 720p and 1080p are usually CPU bound. So removing the power targets might make the difference a lot smaller. It would be fun to see if the results are different with a worse GPU.
I'm just curious, is there any software, game, or task that would realistically benefit from the extra 16mb L3 cache of the zen 3? I'm trying to decide which processor to buy right now, and I'm tempted to spend more for a 5800x just because it's more powerful (and will probably give me futureproofing for a few more years)
@@tonton9598 there are definitely some tasks that benefit from a larger cache pool. When AMD showed off their 3D attached V-cache at Computex they reported 2-25% in games. IIRC League of Legends got 2% while a game like Gears 5 got 15%. AMD that was going from 64 MB of L3 cache on a 5900x to 192 MB. So basically going from a huge cache to a seemingly absurdly large cache. I think from Gamer's Nexus' reporting on the same subject code compilation is another task where speed is more or less directly depending on cache size while the benefits for photo editing was much smaller.
I read somewhere that people had temperature issues with the 5800x, is that true or is it just the persons airflow issue? Also which CPU cooler should I look for when I’m buying the 5800x?
Now with the GPUs so overpriced, I think it is a great choice for someone who doesn't ask so much high performance like 5800x offers with a separate GPU. My 9 years old pc is finished and I am looking for new pc, this cpu is salvation for me. Later when the GPU prices will fall to normal, a medium range GPU will do the job for me.
@@kleptokratija yes I did end up buying 5700G. The performance for my work load I done is absolutely satisfying. Music production, picture editing, basic even more demanding video editing, movie player, multitasking apps and a 2014 game I play (Assetto Corsa) it runs just fine! So, yea, I am very pleased from the CPU performance. If you are a demanding player, it will not cover your demands.
@@kleptokratija is gta v a different game from gta v online? With gta 5 you will get about 40 fps in high settings in 1080p and 50 fps with medium settings in 1080p.
@@kleptokratija if you are happy with those fps in 1080p then yes, 5700G will definitely cover you and later with GPUs price dropping you can upgrade with a medium range gpu to get way more fps. Over 120. Maybe not as many fps (200+) with a pci express 4 that other cpu in combine with a gpu provide (keep on mind 5700g do not support pci express 4 but pci express 3) but for you that you are not a demanding player it will be extremely good with much much lower cost!
@@kleptokratija what I can say. It is matter of how much money you are able to spend. For me, those prices for rtx and 1660 are ridiculously high and does not worth it. But if you pocket can handle the gpu/cpu cost, it is better to build a Intel or a newest amd system without integrated graphics.
This APU are amazing but they come a little late... gpus already droping heavy on pricing, and until Agust the prices are droping more...but for business and little gamers this apu are very good.Did you test against R7 3700x?
Why do people not realize, that drivers are also a factor. in real life, it will be less that a 15% difference in performance and a max of 30%, anything greater is an outlier, an edge case. retest in 7-8 months when most games your testing have been optimized for AMD's new APU's and all of your data will look at you very confused. Its simply whats going on drivers and optimization issues... also with a Ryzen 5 2600, and my Rx580 on lowest settings im getting over 330 fps average in VALORANT, it make Skyrim look like Crysis in comparison. seriously Skyrim is on the Nintendo Switch, and still has higher pc requirements than Valorant, you could probably play Valorant on a calculator. but more realistically a toaster, the Razer Toaster....
Interested in knowing this as well. Want to upgrade from i7 6700 with rtx 3060 ti to a Ryzen 7 5700G cuz it's miles cheaper for some reason than the 5 5600x or 7 5800x.
Please please correct me if i’m wrong… If I were to buy a 5700g and no GPU, my pc would run “as normal” and be able to play games until i’d be able to buy a GPU?
I can't wait for the Hot News episode where he's pulled over on the side of the interstate filming on his cellphone because some crazy tech news happens. :P
Given the situation that I'm in with the practically non-existent GPU market & needing to upgrade soon, I'm curious to know if the on chip graphics of the 5700G would do better than a 5700X with a RX 480 OC 8Gb if I have 32+GB of RAM.
Wait, are these tests between the [5700G + iGPU] vs [5800X + 3080 Ti]? If so, then I wonder how the performance gaps would be once you pair the 5700G with a proper discrete GPU.
Despite having a 5600X and RX 5600 XT and 2070 Super, I can still see myself getting the 5700G for a small box build that can still game when I don't feel like powering up the main system or said main system is undergoing maintenance or doing a work project.
Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. The shown benchmarks are a 5800X + a 3080ti vs a 5700G???????? I'm shocked right now by the performance of this 5700g CPU. I think I have been living under a rock. Wow. I mean at 1080p there is a difference but, it's not even that huge???? WHAT???!?!?
*Keep in mind, depending on your board, the cooler is useless because it can't be mounted on top of a ton of capacitors* I paid $240 and couldn't use the cooler, which I don't care. But my concern is, if I'm going to do encoding........I've seen reviews that say, it's barely behind the 5800X. Did I get the bang for the dollar ??
Besides resolutions the only thing I would want to see is AMD videocards without the CPU overhead. Does it impact on the APU's more than it should? Great video, especially as im helping a friend decide to build now before the gpu drop. Hes on a 4 core amd FX chip and a 2G GTX670 lol
PCIe 4.0 is the main reason for the performance difference, being what CPU use to communicate with the GPU. If he used the 6900xt, the difference would've been much higher! Too bad is a useless feature for the majority of the gamers, as this battle royale and low res gaming crap, will eventually die off. Stupid and unrealistic expensive GPUs are meant for the highest graphical fidelity and resolution, not CSGO or Valorant.. As how I see it, the Apu can drive the infinity fabric and ram at over 2000mhz and recuperate some of the deficit.
I'll throw out a vote to see some more results at higher Resolutions. 1440P monitors have come down so far that it's worth checking out.
The monitor I bought in Feb has dropped $50 since then
@@Bejito81 fair, but also the main purpose of using a card of that caliber is to completely remove any potential GPU limit in these games. It allows it to be a full power comparison of the two CPU's. I'm just curious how much that will change when you start climbing up.
Edit - Whiffa beat me too it.
Lower resolution ~ how you test CPU bottleneck because higher resolution takes load off CPU and puts on GPU ruining the purpose of CPU comparison
@@Bejito81 you won't see a difference in 1440p in most cpus for the reason that it's more gpu reliant and mainly depends on the game too so it's honestly the best too have it tested at 1080p to show the minimal differences between the two
In 1440p the CPUs would perform almost the same
I have overclocked the 5700G RAM at 4200 because 5700G can do that(you can t do that with 5800X). Also, once overclocked, the 5700G had 15500 score on cinebench while 5800x had 16000. 3dmark scored 12600 for my 5700G as well as 12600 for my 5800X. I am gonna tell you, once overclocked, the 5700G do close the gap on the 5800X.
it doesn't close the gap at all. In productivity workloads such as R23 that mostly only cares about IPC and clock speeds sure but in actual games the 5800X still has a generational leap over the 5700G due to the small cache size. And at the end of the day if you're resorting to overclocking to close the gap the 5800X can simply do the same.
I honestly think that the new 5000 APUs are a good mid to high end CPUs, although the 5700G does have a big difference between its older brother, it's just as capable, and not to mention having a decent iGPU included.
5700g is the chosen one vs 5600x😎, just little $ top up = mass improvements & has gtx 1050 inside too. ........,
plus u can save for a GPU while waiting for the prices to go down
Yeah the gpu is almost as good as a RX 580 now if you give it 8 gigs to play with.
7:09 There is engine limitation in GTA V. It does not go much beyond 180 and starts get stuttery after that. And also thats why 5800x got worse 1% and 0.1% results. Also i can get the same results with my 3300x and rx 570 at 720p low in GTA V.
As someone who's used AMD APUs since the FM1 socket, I can honestly say that the 3400G, 4650G, and the 5000 series APU have impressed me.
When I first built my pc I didn't have a gpu I started with a ryzen 3 2200g and I could game on it with settings turned down but I was happy.
And now I have a ryzen 7 5700g paired with an evga rtx 3070 ftw3 ultra and I can run all my games at 3440x1440p ultra at 80-100 fps
@@tomw3886 bro your Configuration pls
Honestly its cute to do 3080 vs a little APU, but i would prefer to see how the integrated stacks up compared to the cheep version of the 3000 series like the 3060 and also the previous 1660 and 2060. Im still on my 1070Ti so i wonder if its worth it going onboard.
I hope we'll have the 5600g and 5700g in stock at a decent price.
Just get 3600 or 5600X now, unless you somehow need slow iGPU for something. 5600G and 5700G are overhyped, since both are badly gimped by their halved L3 cache and slower clockspeeds, which basically makes them drop between Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs with similar core counts in real world scenarios.
What’s this mysterious reality you speak of?
@@Purjo92 the 3600 isnt worth buying when the 10400 and 11400 are the prices theyre at.
@@retrofraction 10400 and 11400. I also saw a 10700kf or something for around $300. Despite the tremendous failure that the 11900K is, the i3-i7’s are actually solid and theres decent cheap gpus in there. An 11400 is significantly faster than a 3600X, and you dont need a Z board for a non unlocked intel cpu.
@@Purjo92 ryzen 5700g is a 8 core 16 thread processor. Base clock of 3.8 ghz and up to 4.6 turbo boost.
And you're getting good cpu and gpu for $360. What else do you expect?
And you're talking about slower clock speed. Ryzen 5 3600 has a boost clock of 4.2 ghz. And this one 4.6 ghz. Also 2 more core and 4 more threads.
These APUs look like a great foundation on which to build my mom a new PC.
Just get AMD Athlon 3000G or Ryzen 3200G / 3400G, those are good enough for web browsing for next 5 years. These new APUs are only great for those, who want Ryzen 5 3600 / 5600X performance, but also need stop cap solution before buying real gaming GPU.
I built both of my parents 3400G systems, they've had zero issues and my mother even started playing small games on it. The APU was a little buggy, but I snagged 1650's for both of them before covid. Dad's got 32GB of Ram, and Mom's got 16. Both have Sata SSD's for boot.
5700g is the chosen one vs 5600x😎, just little $ top up = mass improvements & has gtx 1050 inside too.....
Bit the bullet on a 5800x for 340 bucks to go with my r9 290x, until RDNA3 gpus or RDNA2 APUs come out
Built my moms bf one with a 5600g
I have a 5800X, so this was interesting! And cool to see the APU have that much performance!
Also: I'm even more thrilled to see Brett and UFD getting on with the benchmark videos. I know it's on top of a rough and unpleasant time for the entire team - but I still think the latest videos are awesome!
This review my friend only gives even more credibility to AMD claims of Zen 3+ with Vcache having so much more performance. It is obvious from this test how much Zen architecture relies on cache memory.
I managed to get a 5700g for as low as 180€ brand new with cooler instead of the 290~320 of the 5800x, so I don't mind at all losing some performance, I care even less about esports, I see as an absolute win
I’m curious how the 5700g scales with higher speed memory, it should max out higher than the 5800x due to not being a chiplet on infinity fabric. At least, if it’s similar to the 4750g pro it should clock much higher ram, maybe make up for the lack of cache somewhat
much underrated comment.
such info is pretty hard to find... actually since i got the 5800x i was kinda upset about the high idle power consumption (or at low load). meanwhile i found out the chiplet design is the reason for this, which basically makes it always consume ~20 watts on top. for this reason i just sold my 5800x and 5700g incoming in few days... im a software dev working from home and my PC runs for round 15h a day. and 90% of that with very low load. Im very curious about the changes in watts from wall. measured different scenarios with the 5800x.
in the optimal scenario i can even connect my 2 monitors to the mainboard and drive the OS graphics with the iGPU. And it should be possible to still set specific applications to use the 1080TI for computation and getting that passed through the board connectors. This will most likely save another 50watts consumed by the GPU when a lot of "office work" is being done, like microsoft teams + code editor, mail-program etc.. in such scenarios the 1080 TI goes up the first power state and starts to consume 60-70 watts instead of the usual 15 idle
This comment is off the point but i think its quite heartwarming to see that he almost cried bcs of the moveout. Am i the only one that noticed?
Upgrading a GPU can be tricky especially if you’re planning on selling your current GPU. So to have an option to be able to sell a GPU before purchasing is a pro here.
While I'm really happy to see an 8-core launch at a good price point, the 5800x is still very-much justified in existing. The 5700g didn't obliterate the 5800x in price-to-performance as some PCMR bois were claiming.
Eh, barely. The 10850K and 3900X are both arguably stronger all-around alternatives, even if you sacrifice some gaming performance in CPU-limited scenarios.
And all that aside, the 5800X was kind of dumb from the outset. 8 Zen 3 cores = ~10 Zen 2 cores, yeah, but we were already getting 12 of those for $410-420 a year ago.
5800X is currently about $400 which seems high compared to alternatives. It is interesting that the somewhat similar 5700G will have a MSRP lower than this. Or maybe this is a clue that you won't be able to actually buy one for MSRP. The 5700G is really for the people who don't need a dedicated GPU, or can't buy one right now. If you need more graphics performance than the 5700G can give then no need to buy one.
@@billj5645 At $400, I actually like the 5800X a little more. It's still a bit dumb next to the 3900X and 5900X, but IMO it's a little better than the 10850K at this new, reduced price.
@@billj5645 4 months later and the 5800X is still over $400 and the 5700G is $279.
@@mckrackin5324 I think that $279 was a limited Black Friday deal, and I missed it. Right now it seems that the 5700g is $299-319. The 5800X seems to be $341 on Amazon (for how long I don't know). That pricing is pretty close. At $400 I would not understand the price difference between them for what amounts to a little bit more cache. At $299 to $341 maybe it is understandable. The 5700g has not gotten the attention I thought it would, maybe people buying a cpu to build their own computer are intending to put in a discrete graphics card and the onboard graphics is not of any value to them.
Best advice, covered everything that I was wondering including the matchups with gpus etc. Thanks
did I miss something or is this 5700g apu getting well over 60fps in most modern games at 1080p/high settings? thats hella impressive and more than acceptable to start gaming on PC with as a starting point...
You missed that he's using an RTX 3080 and not the integrated graphics
I’m happy with the performance of the 5700G and would love to see a new APU with Radeon 11-16 GPU cores rather then Radeon 7-8 used now!
Its the CPU I use I’m very Impressed with it for a low price.
Can you try testing with the PCIE slot to run at 3.0 rather than 4.0? Some of the performance differences are really large. I’m just curious to see if the difference is cache and TDP related or if the lack for PCIE 4.0 support is really hurting the 5700G that much. Anyway, great vid. Keep up the good work!
i remember when you first started.... youve come along way....nice work, keep truckin....
Brett, glad you’ll still be producing! Best wishes for you & family in PA!! 👍🏻
As somebody with a 5800x,this should be interesting
5700G is monolithic meaning it runs way cooler with less latency vs the chiplet design of the 5800x. Also, the memory write speeds of the 5700G is over 2x that of the 5800x resulting in much better performance for basic tasks such as web browsing.
So how good is the 5700G compared to the 5800X in non gaming applications?
this apu is a no brainer. thanks for the comparison!
I would love to see a comparison at 1440p. Good luck on the move!
Like i get it....but dude thats not a 1080p card.... thats a 2k-4k card. No one would be buying a 3080 ti to play at 1080p
1440p testing with a zen 3 apu would be amazing.
Seriousness question, and id really appreciate an answer on this if possible...did you run these tests out of the HDMI port on the graphics card? Or the HDMI on the motherboard...?
Considering that he's using a 3060 card so that the processors can work fully as processors, then it'd be running from the GPU. That's kind of the point of these. The 5700G has integrated graphics, the 5800X does not. So to keep the variables constant he'd use the dedicated GPU in both.
500fps in witcher 3? Holy cow
Thank you for looking at this. It is amazing how you are able to get all of this done.
Decent enough value. I wonder how the 5700G compares to the 3700X.
If I'm not mistaken, it performs better than the 3800x.
I only got the 5700G so that if my gpu decides to give up on life then well I can at least still use my PC
Valid to show the performance difference at lower resolutions and mention the those differences diminish at higher rezz's.. Though it would be even nicer to show prospective buyers some results at 1440p and 4k. (to illustrate that at 4k you're mostly always limited by GPUs)
you didn't show up on my feed for several months and the notify bell is on fully. Weird. Something is up?
I fully expect a lot of the difference being down to the cache amount, but I am also curious how much is down to the power limits. Can the APUs be "overclocked" and given a power limit of 125W like the 5800X?
It can be overclocked but I'm not sure what the limit is.
I over clocked mine to 4.6 ghz it I use 4000mhz ram
They are different architectures, one is Cezaane the other is vermeer.
One is monolothic and the other is chiplet.
6:45 Nice!
I’m gonna build a pc with the 5700g and wait until gpus go down
Really want an APU with RDNA2, especially when DDR5 finally comes to market properly.
It will in Q1 22
Just wait for a few more months
That difference is probably from the PCIe limitations, if it had 4.0 lanes it would probably keep up with the 5800x and that’s probably why they made it as a 3.0 chip.
Wait I’m confused, was the 5700g being ran
A. WITH the 3080ti?
Or
B. Just the apu vs the 5800x w/3080ti
You dont need 4k monitor to run games in 4k. check nvidia super resolution option in driver settings
I appreciate the information brother, I learned a lot.
Wanna see a 1440p comparison too
Just picked up the 5700G. My goal is 1440p 60fps. Dont really care much for frames higher than that. I wa a little worried but with this, I think I'm in the clear
With the right motherboard and cooling the 5700g can be overclocked (using only boost) into a formidable chip. All cores at 4.2-4.6ghz with 4.7-4.85 single core performance was easily attainable for me and made up a 20% gain over stock.
Has it been good? I’m looking at a 5700g and rx 6600xt combo
@@Pringleboxperhaps find a 1070/80 ti instead
All the best for the future man. Good luck with the move and when you're ready would love to see more benchmarks with the 5700G. Hope your son gets the care he needs and wish you had M4A.
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How his sound tone changed for his son wish him good luck ang GOD bless him♥
Also, where are the non-gaming benchmarks?
No 1440p or 4k?
I dont believe you won the new egg shuffle for that 3080ti. I think you bought it off an ebay scalper
0:37, a glitch in the matrix... PULL ME OUT PLS!
Love your format. Great review.
These differences, are these based on CPU’s higher cache and PCIe 4.0 lanes?
Does not support PCI 4.0 lanes.
Thank you very much!!
If you're ever stuck without a 1440p/4k monitor, turning on DSR in the Nvidia control panel can get you out of a bind for benchmarking :)
Brett has curly hair? Someone must have turned on DLSS and upped the quality of HN.
It's seem like 5700G sits between 3700x and 5800x
I guess the the performance difference is partially due to the 5700G not supporting PCIe 4.0. I think it's due to the Vega Graphics cores.
I have 5700G and just checked with cpu-z it has PCI-Express 4.0.
@@farhanmadani2204 thats strange. The AMD official page says it supports PCIe 3.0
@@TheUrbanRebel You are right but still it can support pcie4. I searched a bit and found that if motherboard has also role in supporting PCIE 4 so this must be the case for me
AMD APU's are getting better and better each generation. It won't be long before we won't have to worry about buying a high end gpu because the apu will do it all.
look at th exbox series x. little beast of a apu
The R7-5800X does feature PCIe 4.0 when installed in a B550 mainboard. The R7-5700G doesn't.
If you really care about immersive gaming [on a budget] you would grab a PC, 5700G in this case, a tin of medium grey paint for a wall (128:128:128 on RGB scale) and most importantly an Optoma 720P DLP projector (about the same price as the APU alone so dirt cheap). So your 720p tests should be done with MAX settings.
I don't get it, why ryzen 7 5700G has lower FPS than the 5800X?
can someone explain me?
Hi, AMD crippled the L3 cache on the 5700G but it wouldn't be very powerful with it. If you can get a GPU close to a 1050 TI use a 5600X /or 5800X, all Igpu's are slow. I wouldn't buy a 5800X cpu without getting a great cooler, running at 90* is too hot. Take care! 🙂
@@SISSYPUSS Thanks for the answer :) I appreciate it
@@WorisonTV You're welcome! :)
1080p has been the golden standard for a long time now. its the minimum I can personally play on a modern monitor (my 1440p monitor normally) without straining my eyes. Maybe I've been staring at my monitor for too long, who knows - but 1080p is the golden standard for minimum quality IMO.
Just upgraded my kid from a 3700x to a 5800x. Dang this thing runs hot! His stock water cooler just barely does the job. On the cinebench benchmark pushing the CPU to 100% that sucker creeps up from 85c to 90c. Scary hot. We have a be quiet cooler on the way. I hope that helps. For gaming he averages 65c to 75c. It runs good and fast but nowhere near as cool as my 5900x in my pc with the same water cooler. But given we can't find a 3080 video card anywhere this upgrade ought to help him get some more frames from his 5700xt. It seems to boost him 30-40 in Apex with all the settings set to high now.
Can the 5700g overclock better than the 5800x? 5800x temps are annoying
5600g vs 5700g comparison CPU and iGPU would make a nice comparison vs value. Hope all goes well at Pennsylvania.
Excellent video. I'm excited to upgrade my 4750G to the 5700G. Last GPU I had was in 2005, not going back.
Why in the fuck you do this? You are not playing or doing anything that requires real GPU? I wonder, why would you then need minor update in CPU side? 4750G sucked compared to 3700X and 5700G sucks compared to 5800X, since both APUs are horribly L3 cache gimped and have lower clockspeeds due to worse silicon quality compared to X variants. Only moros get these high end APUs for anything more than stop gap solution, before buying real graphics card, and even most ITX cases can take discrete GPU as stop gap (like HD 7000 series which cost like nothing), so why even then? If you happen to have some "real" need for 4 liter case, then fine.
@@Purjo92 You can play any new game at 720p low/medium and get playable framerates with these APUs
HD 7000 series won't give you anything more than 10 fps unless if it's an eSports title or something
Have safe travels!
5800x unlocks the nvme gen4 ability, be my only reason to go with it
The option here is to buy the 5700G and not upgrade the GPU at all. Get a cheap Motherboard and just make it your office/ media PC later on. If AMD confirmed an AM4 refresh prior to going to AM5 and DDR5 then we'd have a different ball game... Plenty of well priced motherboards due to the 1:1 ratio of GPUs to Motherboards being blown out due to miners running multiple GPUs per motherboard = excess motherboards in theory...
I want to combine the 5700G with a 3060TI, does that make sence
There are three major factors that make the 5800X stand out that much. One of them you can probably remove through the BIOS. The two others you'll just have to live with.
1. 32 vs 16 MB of cache is pretty much the difference between Zen 2 and Zen 3. Zen 2 has 16 MB per CCX Zen 3 has one 32 MB chunk. Zen 3 APUs have just the 16 MB so sort of the worst of both but with the other architectural changes of Zen 3.
2. PCIe gen 4 vs gen 3 is probably not that important unless you use a monster of a graphics card... Which you are. So that could be a factor. At least from what I've been able to find the iGPU doesn't take up eight lanes like it did on the 2xxx and 3xxxx series of APUs.
3. The lower TDP is followed by similarly low power limits. Unless you activate something like PBO the BIOS is going to limit the APU as far as I remember to 88W and the CPU to around 140W. That certainly can end up being significant in CPU bound scenarios. And both 720p and 1080p are usually CPU bound. So removing the power targets might make the difference a lot smaller. It would be fun to see if the results are different with a worse GPU.
I'm just curious, is there any software, game, or task that would realistically benefit from the extra 16mb L3 cache of the zen 3? I'm trying to decide which processor to buy right now, and I'm tempted to spend more for a 5800x just because it's more powerful (and will probably give me futureproofing for a few more years)
@@tonton9598 there are definitely some tasks that benefit from a larger cache pool. When AMD showed off their 3D attached V-cache at Computex they reported 2-25% in games. IIRC League of Legends got 2% while a game like Gears 5 got 15%. AMD that was going from 64 MB of L3 cache on a 5900x to 192 MB. So basically going from a huge cache to a seemingly absurdly large cache. I think from Gamer's Nexus' reporting on the same subject code compilation is another task where speed is more or less directly depending on cache size while the benefits for photo editing was much smaller.
im sorry to hear about your son i wish him well
I read somewhere that people had temperature issues with the 5800x, is that true or is it just the persons airflow issue? Also which CPU cooler should I look for when I’m buying the 5800x?
i would be very intreagued by higher resolutions when you have the time after moving ^^
Now with the GPUs so overpriced, I think it is a great choice for someone who doesn't ask so much high performance like 5800x offers with a separate GPU. My 9 years old pc is finished and I am looking for new pc, this cpu is salvation for me. Later when the GPU prices will fall to normal, a medium range GPU will do the job for me.
@@kleptokratija yes I did end up buying 5700G. The performance for my work load I done is absolutely satisfying. Music production, picture editing, basic even more demanding video editing, movie player, multitasking apps and a 2014 game I play (Assetto Corsa) it runs just fine! So, yea, I am very pleased from the CPU performance. If you are a demanding player, it will not cover your demands.
@@kleptokratija is gta v a different game from gta v online? With gta 5 you will get about 40 fps in high settings in 1080p and 50 fps with medium settings in 1080p.
@@kleptokratija if you are happy with those fps in 1080p then yes, 5700G will definitely cover you and later with GPUs price dropping you can upgrade with a medium range gpu to get way more fps. Over 120. Maybe not as many fps (200+) with a pci express 4 that other cpu in combine with a gpu provide (keep on mind 5700g do not support pci express 4 but pci express 3) but for you that you are not a demanding player it will be extremely good with much much lower cost!
@@kleptokratija what I can say. It is matter of how much money you are able to spend. For me, those prices for rtx and 1660 are ridiculously high and does not worth it. But if you pocket can handle the gpu/cpu cost, it is better to build a Intel or a newest amd system without integrated graphics.
Cheers matey drew from Sydney Australia
Best of wishes on your family 💓
This APU are amazing but they come a little late... gpus already droping heavy on pricing, and until Agust the prices are droping more...but for business and little gamers this apu are very good.Did you test against R7 3700x?
These 1% lows don’t make sense
Why do people not realize, that drivers are also a factor. in real life, it will be less that a 15% difference in performance and a max of 30%, anything greater is an outlier, an edge case. retest in 7-8 months when most games your testing have been optimized for AMD's new APU's and all of your data will look at you very confused. Its simply whats going on drivers and optimization issues... also with a Ryzen 5 2600, and my Rx580 on lowest settings im getting over 330 fps average in VALORANT, it make Skyrim look like Crysis in comparison. seriously Skyrim is on the Nintendo Switch, and still has higher pc requirements than Valorant, you could probably play Valorant on a calculator. but more realistically a toaster, the Razer Toaster....
Thoughts on getting a 5700g with a rtx 3060 ti? Good or bad idea? Would it bottleneck?
Interested in knowing this as well. Want to upgrade from i7 6700 with rtx 3060 ti to a Ryzen 7 5700G cuz it's miles cheaper for some reason than the 5 5600x or 7 5800x.
that blur in the gameplay footage really screwed with my eyes
Please please correct me if i’m wrong… If I were to buy a 5700g and no GPU, my pc would run “as normal” and be able to play games until i’d be able to buy a GPU?
I can't wait for the Hot News episode where he's pulled over on the side of the interstate filming on his cellphone because some crazy tech news happens. :P
I have the 5800X with a RTX 3080 and a 165hz monitor.
So this is very interesting to see.
Given the situation that I'm in with the practically non-existent GPU market & needing to upgrade soon, I'm curious to know if the on chip graphics of the 5700G would do better than a 5700X with a RX 480 OC 8Gb if I have 32+GB of RAM.
I guess I skipped over the part where you specify what cooler was used on each CPU?
Wait, are these tests between the [5700G + iGPU] vs [5800X + 3080 Ti]?
If so, then I wonder how the performance gaps would be once you pair the 5700G with a proper discrete GPU.
Despite having a 5600X and RX 5600 XT and 2070 Super, I can still see myself getting the 5700G for a small box build that can still game when I don't feel like powering up the main system or said main system is undergoing maintenance or doing a work project.
how well does the 5600x play with the 5600XT if ya dont mind? thinking of pulling the trigger on one...TY!
Jesus Christ…it’s Jason Bourne
Quite well as I could game at HD and QHD at high detail for most games. Ultra in a few titles. Nothing felt bottlenecked.
Quite well as I could game at HD and QHD at high detail for most games. Ultra in a few titles. Nothing felt bottlenecked.
How about rendering videos. What would be the performance gap there. Good luck on the move and for your son’s treatment.
Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. The shown benchmarks are a 5800X + a 3080ti vs a 5700G???????? I'm shocked right now by the performance of this 5700g CPU. I think I have been living under a rock. Wow. I mean at 1080p there is a difference but, it's not even that huge???? WHAT???!?!?
Man I just bought my 5800x for 369$. After tax was 392$. Walked right in and there was over 20 in stock. Just have to know where to go.
I'm over here still running a A10 7890k.
im running a ryzen 5 3600
Get used AMD Ryzen 3600 PC for fucks sake. I would kill myself, if I had to use "4" core AMD "bull loser" daily for anything, even web browsing.
@@Purjo92 Oof
*Keep in mind, depending on your board, the cooler is useless because it can't be mounted on top of a ton of capacitors*
I paid $240 and couldn't use the cooler, which I don't care. But my concern is, if I'm going to do encoding........I've seen reviews that say, it's barely behind the 5800X. Did I get the bang for the dollar ??
Would an RX 5500xt pair well with a
Ryzen 7 - 5700g ?
5700g is the chosen one vs 5600x😎, just little $ top up = mass improvements & has gtx 1050 inside too.
looking forward to get my hands on 6800U apu .... as I have the 5700g and very impressed with it
*The 5800X with 90°C is just out of the question. This cpu doesn't exist in my book!*
Besides resolutions the only thing I would want to see is AMD videocards without the CPU overhead. Does it impact on the APU's more than it should?
Great video, especially as im helping a friend decide to build now before the gpu drop. Hes on a 4 core amd FX chip and a 2G GTX670 lol
4:20 There won’t be. HUB tested this, and current GPUs don’t saturate PCIe 3.0 x16.
PCIe 4.0 is the main reason for the performance difference, being what CPU use to communicate with the GPU. If he used the 6900xt, the difference would've been much higher!
Too bad is a useless feature for the majority of the gamers, as this battle royale and low res gaming crap, will eventually die off.
Stupid and unrealistic expensive GPUs are meant for the highest graphical fidelity and resolution, not CSGO or Valorant..
As how I see it, the Apu can drive the infinity fabric and ram at over 2000mhz and recuperate some of the deficit.
Let’s see some higher res benchmarks my man. Thanks for the vid!