@@Asghaad Did you even watch the video? He explained in the beginning why cheaper price wouldn't make any sense. How is this greed? It's just a niche product for those who can't afford 5900x, but want more than 6 cores, so it's high price is reasonable, they wouldn't get much profit if they were selling it at lower price, and they still needed to release 8 core processor to fill that niche, even if it's not very efficient.
It's normal to have better value when the part costs cheaper. 5800x has performance comparable to 10900k, and costs 100$ less, so it's still a better value than Intel. Sure, 10700k has better cost per frame in some games, but it's also a cheaper parts, and cheaper parts tend to be more efficient. In productivity it's still worse overall.
Good luck with 6 cores and 100% utilization in future games, its not even a next gen yet but games like watch dogs 3 hammer cpus havily and i bet next bf game with 128 players will require 8 cores to run silky smooth.
Same here. These days you just have to buy whatevers avalable if you need pc parts. And since the good parts are always out of stock, you will most likly have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd best part. 5800x makes a bit more sense in this situation.
5800X currently in stock in the UK at £390 at overclockers but zero stock of any other 5000 series CPU’s. So it’s this chip or fuck all. I love the gullibility of our Aussie friend Steve that we actually have a choice in this market.
Yup i went all the way to microcenter thinking they still had some but when i got there they where sold out, so i had to buy a 5800x and do the 2 hour drive of shame back to my house.
@@lordmars8425 I feel you dude The problem is everyone wants a ryzen 9 but since they need that for epyc and every reviewer is using that for pc builds I just bought a Zen 2 APU as the 5600x is to expensive and the 3600 is seriously jacked up
@@lordmars8425 Even I wanted to buy a 2060 super or 5700 ( I was hoping they get cheaper)but i got an igpu to keep me going so i can buy a gpu later and this vega 7 is quite impressive tbh
@some dude only when looking at cpu price as in order to get the higher performance numbers of the intel cpu bench numbers you need 3600mhz ram and the boards needed to run that speed cost way to much you can stick a 5800x in a b450 motherboard that cost 60 dollars. And the 5800x with a b450 board at microcenter runs you 530 after tax and can run ram speeds above 3600mhz to 4000mhz
AMD wont be the budget option from now on anymore. It will be priced at the same prices now as Intel (maybe even higher if their next gen will overrule the latest Intel CPUs by then). Edit: Ofc Ryzen 3000 is still the budget option, just not 5000 anymore.
nothing wrong with that in my eyes they are just making their margins now, they have been selling ryzen chips for so chip until now, it's justified imo.
Started gaming on the new build with a 5800x got one for $250 and I gotta say it’s amazing so fast and the fps in games with a 3060 ti is really crazy . Apex gets 240 up to 300 easy on high settings and 140 160 on high on caldera . And zips though through multi tasking like it’s nothing paired it with a arctic freezer duo for $50 and barely goes over 70 degrees while gaming . I think it’s crazy that the 5800x was over looked so much just because if the weird price spot .
Trust me Steve as a very small PC Tech Channel I know how much work goes into making one video with B Roll, Lower Thirds, testing, filming A Roll, it’s a lot. But just know we all do appreciate all the hard work you and Tim put into these video’s and it’s GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
[Request] - I know it might be a bit of a stretch to ask this, but as a game developer, and I know there are quite a lot out there nowadays, i would love to see a comparison on Frame-rate when running the Unity Mega City Project, a comparison on running it in Engine, Making a build and Running the Build. Why? Megacity Utlizes the new Data Oriented Technology Stack (DOTS) that can fully utilize every single available thread, every core in the PC. It will definitely be a technology that we will keep seeing more and more in games, several games have already started to use it for some features. Thank you so much for getting the results out so fast!
TechGuru (I think) has a benchmark comparison for these processors for game development (UE4 baked lighting comparison). Its helped me a lot when deciding what processor to get for development purposes.
@@noobatron2663 that's cool, but light baking is done in editor before a build. Personally not interested in light baking, after all, you can use a dedicated machine/server for that, and even leave it running over night. While extremely useful to know in UE, unity has a GPU lightmapper, making that info almost irrelevant when using that. DOTS actually is used at runtime, hence why it is so interesting to benchmark.
I know it is a different kind of situation, but this CPU reminds me of the 3800x. Didn't make much sense, you could get a cheaper 3700x that packed the same number of cores and threads or stretch your budget and get a 3900x. This 800 parts are always in a weird spot.
@@SirKakalaCh No. At least not yet. That's why I said "I know it is a different kind of situation". Even if there's no 5700x you could argue that the 5800x placement in the market is not the best given its price.
@@HrafnRaff yeah you are right at that. Im pretty sure they just wanted to incentivize people to buy higher tier cpus before intel launches theirs in march. Then we will probably see a competitive price drop.
My conspiracy theory is that they know the 800 series is poor value so they release it first and anyone who wants to rush out and have the latest thing will buy it, then they release the 5700X and the people who aren’t willing to pay for the 5800X will buy that. That way they might get people buying the 5800X who would have got the 5700X if they were released at the same time.
I still ended up getting it as I want more than 6 cores(occasional video work), but want to put the $160(Aussie) jump to the 5900X would cost towards a new GPU.
WIth that 5800X pricing i'm stuck deciding whether to go all out with Zen 3 and good MB and RAM or just get a cheap MB, RAM and a 5600X then go all out when Zen 4 arrives or if by some miracle Intel pulls a rabbit out of the hat. On the plus side at least the CPUs only have a few % markup over the US price so here's hoping the same holds for the RDNA 2 cards instead of the huge markups we have for the Nvidia cards, though since they're still from board partners and not AMD i'm guessing they probably will :(
@@mr.potato9449 Im im wierd situation aswel where my midrange build doesnt quite does it at 1440p, wondering if I should go all out aslwel on 5900x and 6800xt or skip generation and wait.
@@Mercyforme I'd consider skipping but with Cyberpunk coming out and a 3570K with a GTX 670 my hands are tied :( I'd would probably even consider a 5950X but this being the last gen on this socket kills the idea of that for me.
From a pure comparing to the others price/performance wise yes. But the reasons i got the 5800x are; 1: It was the budget i had set for me cpu 2: i wanted the higest boost but with only one CCD 3: I already have 6 cores and i wanted more than that. 4: its a whole complete CCD so the silocone quality should be there What other option without changing platform would there be?
I use 3700x which I bought in july'19 it performs worse than current ones and most of the benchmarks I see on youtube. I know I shouldn't expect 3700x to be top quality due to existence of 3800x but still complete CCD doesn't warrant it will be a high quality silicone. They will most likely bin high quality zen3 8core ones for r9 5950x.
@@matthewsmith2385 Sure, my point was that you can totally use a 5800x on a b550 and not have "beefy vrms" but you can't put a 5900x and expect good overclocking capabilities
Shouldn't you factor in the average mainboard cost into the "better value" as well? I mean, if the CPU is amazing value but the mainboard for it costs $400€, then that's still bad value overall.
@@Jorozzzzz no it should not. You need a z490 mb if you want to overclock the i7 10700k, you don't need a x570 mb to overclock the ryzen 5 5800x. A b550 mb will do fine.
Those prices given for B550 are not current, I got an X570 mobo at the middle of that range despite paying 20% VAT. Ryzen 5000 will work with 400 series Intel Z series was much more expensive for me and Intel have nasty habits for CPU upgrades.
Will you do a RAM speed test with Ryzen 5000 after the reviews? Some are suggesting that Zen 3 sees great performance uplifts when going from 3200 to 3600 or beyond. It would be interesting to see how especially the 5600X would stack up against the 10900K in gaming when using the fastest memory the 5600X can handle in 1:1 FLCK.
@@flipboy420 3200 is the standard these days, which is why they use it here. But I agree that benchmarks should either go all-out on memory to eliminate it as a bottleneck, or they should go for stock vs stock. HUB has chosen something in-between with 3200 for both being stock for AMD vs slight overclock for Intel. I understand why they do it, but I agree with you that it's suboptimal at this point. Especially so when others using higher frequencies are seeing a significant performance uplift just from that.
@Clorox Tree Steve claimed elsewhere that Linus' test has the 10900K running TDP limited, which means it's not an apples to apples comparison anymore. I'd like for Steve to go through different memory speeds, preferably with tuned timings as well. But of course, that's a very time consuming process, so it would have to wait a bit, perhaps even to after the 6800 and 6800XT.
@@chosendrunkard2389 4000 CL18 has a lower latency than 3600 CL16, which in turn has a lower latency than 3200 CL14. The latency is a result of both the frequency and the number of cycles in the CL number. While not technically correct, an easy method to approximate them is to divide one number with the other and compare them. 4000/18 > 3600/16 > 3200/14. This means that 4000 CL18 is both much faster than 3200 CL14 while also having a slight reduction in latency as well, making it overall significantly better for tasks sensitive to memory speed and latency.
Linus was talking about memory affecting zen3 performance today on the wan show...would u test higher like 3600/4000mhz memory & low latency like cl14 memory to define the sweet spot?
yep I need some reviews with different ram speed. but I think its better to wait a little, apparently a bios update is required to solve some stability issues with 4000RAM and so the infinity fabric at 2000mhz
@@scottgardiner7418 really he should have just done that in the first place. Would have saved a lot of time, and people building new systems are buying 3600 kits now because prices have dropped a lot on RAM.
Built my first PC 10 months or so ago and did research on parts to familiarize my self which led me to forums, costumer reviews, this channel, GN etc. I felt that at the time the best products for my money were a R7 3700X ($270) and Nitro + 5700XT ($400) combo. I've been very happy with my build. Gaming performance @ 1440P is anywhere between 60 -120 fps depending on the game of course. I've been thinking of upgrading GPU and give the 5700XT to my little brother and I'd set my eyes on the 3080 but since AMD revealed their RX6000 cards the 6800XT looks like a better choice, maybe. The Vram difference is quite significant. I will wait for the independent reviews and if I do go with a 6800XT I will wait for another Nitro+ variant because I'm very happy with my current Nitro+ 5700XT.
@@TheMcBeefy Precisely the build I'm aiming at, although, I'm not even looking to build until after Christmas when hopefully they're able to maintain some stock.
I picked up a 5800x for less than half price and while it was cheap I was expecting some downsides even if minor as I heard heat stuff which obviously ties into peformance. I am now wondering if they changed something in production over time or I got a blessed chip as it runs incredibly cool on stock and benchmarks great in comparison to other people with the same cpu or systems. It was expensive at release so this video plays into some of that but man this chip has been a banger for me sticking on am4 for a bit longer and at 1440p max and 4k the 5800x3d difference is generally not big vs 1080p so the huge price increase put me off. I am legit having a fantastic experience with this cpu despite keeping expectations in check wow!
I'm ok with the my R7 5800X, mostly because I paid just $349 USD, which at that time the 6 core R5 5600X was being priced at $299 or occasionally the 5600X would dip down to $279 for like a week then right back to $299, so to pay just $50 to $70 more for a faster chip with 2 more cores was really a "no brainer" ;)
Yeah, with the 5800X being found for $350-$380 more often than not, it's an excellent buy now. Especially considering it gets you very similar performance to the $550 11900k, which is a terrible buy. Productivity wise, the 3900X can also be had for about the same price as the 5800X, and there are still quite a few workloads where the 3900X is a good uplift over the 5800X that makes it worth considering. For gaming and occasional video editing, the 5800X is just about the perfect CPU at it's current price.
What if they never release a 5700x? if memory serves the 3700x and 3800x were released at the same time. like what if its just not possible cause of manufacturing constraints, wafer yields, and architecture? I feel like you will just have to wait for prices to go down in like a year or so.
@@CP110 I am sure that both 5600 and 5700X SKUs will come. Probably only next year though, either when the B450/X470 MBs get their 5000 BIOS updates, or later when Rocket Lake launches around March 2021. I highly doubt AMD will stick to only the 4 launch SKUs, especially when you consider how extensive the previous gen Ryzen lineups were. Just because they have always released a larger portion of their SKUs at launch in the past, does not mean AMD wont extend the 5000 SKU lineup in the future. Even Zen2/3000 saw numerous SKU additions well after launch. What we are seeing is early adopter fees, because AMD has learnt their lesson from launching cheaper SKUs (3600/3700X etc) at the same time as the more expensive models (3600X/3800X etc) from previous launches, because the cheaper non-X and lower end X SKUs (3600/3700X etc), always outsell their more expensive brethren (3600X/3800X). So AMD is just making their profit off the higher priced SKUs (5600X/5800X) while they are able to (and it also allows more left over Zen2 stock to sell as well), and then we will see the cheaper models later on (next year most likely). So I am fairly certain we will see the cheaper SKUs (5600/5700X) early next year sometime, and later on price drops. Incredibly unlikely AMD will stick to only the 4 launch SKU models, and what we are seeing is just business. They have pretty much the best all round CPUs at the moment, and they can charge for them, especially at launch. And TSMCs (very mature) 7nm yields are excellent, and so is silicon quality, but 5000 launch demand will guarantee higher priced SKU sales, that is why AMD is unwilling to bin them as lower end SKUs (5600/5700X) right now and sell them for less (regardless of whether there is enough supply capacity to meet demand or not). So AMD is just selling everything they have currently made available, for the highest price they can get for them. Why bin such great quality silicon lower, and then sell it for less than you can actually get for it? Especially at launch when people are mostly prepared to pay for it? So they will sell as much as they can now, and other SKUs will follow later. Just give it time, it really is just bushiness, AMD is still just a company, and like all companies, it is in it to make a profit. Nothing wrong with that, they have the best, and they are charging the extra for it. Let those who are willing to pay the early adopter fee purchase them now, AMD will cater to more budgets a little later on. If we would like the older launch structure to return (cheaper SKUs such as the 3600/5600/3700X/5700X at launch), we will need Intel to get seriously back in competition, with a very strong lineup, and decent prices to boot. Otherwise this launch structure will likely remain the status quo for all successive launches (especially if AMDs products keep going from strength to strength). AMD doesn't need to compete with lower priced 5600 and 5700X SKUs right out of the gate with this launch, because they are pretty much leading in all round performance, and demand is at an all time high. So AMDs more expensive 5600X/5800X SKUs are guaranteed to sell well thanks to high demand with this launch. So the limited launch SKU lineup is not a surprise, but it would be a surprise if AMD were to not release any cheaper SKUs in the 5000 lineup. It would be the most limited range of just about any CPU series ever released, if AMD were to release nothing more than the 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X SKUs. That makes no sense whatsoever. And there isn't any room for more expensive SKUs in the current lineup, but there is room for cheaper "sales boosting" SKUs in the current lineup. Do you see what I am getting at? And AMDs silence on any upcoming models also makes financial sense, it is so they can keep the launch lineup selling like hot cakes. AMD doesn't want any potential buyers to wait for cheaper SKUs, and that is what would likely occur, if AMD outright declared that cheaper (although slightly lower performing) SKUs were coming next year. AMD obviously wants to keep the more expensive launch SKUs sales momentum going, right through the frenzied holiday sales season, and right till the very moment they announce additional SKUs. AMDs goal is to achieve tremendous (and their best to date) launch and holiday financial earnings. So we should only expect announcements for additional (and cheaper) SKUs next year (in the first 3 months latest), it doesn't make financial sense for AMD to announce or release them before then, but they will come. There have already been rumors going around about an cheaper 5600 coming, but no official word as of yet. And I don't expect any official word till after the holiday and launch sales frenzy (so likely early next year).
Steve must have done a lot of benchmarking with the new Zen 3 CPUs. Get a lot of rest Steve! The RX 6800 XT is launching in 11 days. You need to be healthy!
yeah steve ! you need to be healthy for you , your loved ones and your community that definitely loves you ! from a french viewer that watches so much your videos that i'm now speaking english with a mix of my original british accent i learnt and now the australian one. got called "a queensland mate" on VRchat because of that . all because of you ! so i wanna see YOU next time too
Uh, no. The 5800x is a mediocre CPU; the gains over a 5600X are laughable, and to make matters worse it generates significantly more heat and has much higher power consumption. But, if you want 150% of the power consumption for like 4% more performance in gaming with 11 degree higher temps, go for it. It is a decent CPU for productivity, but even then the 5900X absolutely trashes it. And talking about age, the 12th gen CPUs also trash it. So, yeah. Tell me you want to justify your purchase of a 5800X without telling me.
CPU is not something that is worth going on cheap, since its much bigger hassle to change it, and is linked to socket of motherboard, its not like you are getting 2666 MHz RAM instead of 5000 because difference is so small its not worth paying extra money.
I am searching zen2 vs zen3 performance with low latency 3600 3733 3800 and 4000 mhz ddr4 modules. I am suspicious due to ccx design my tuned zen2 r7 3700x with reasonable 1867 infinity fabric 1:1 ratio and 3733mhz cl16 subtimings tuned performance could be not as far behind to zen3 as zen2 benefits due to 4cores per ccx design from higher bandwith ddr4 and higher infinity fabric even more but I am maybe too optimistic :D interesting to see. Zen2 is still great ;) Zen3 better a lot simple as that ;)))
@@milanklco I'm still working on re-tuning my memory but so far, I'm able to reach a slightly higher Fclk on the 5600X vs my 3900X; stock to stock with 3600@CL15 (and tuned subtimings) there is a marked difference in the few game benchmarks I've run. Metro Exodus for instance I gained an instant gain of around 40 FPS...that was probably the most pronounced but Youngblood and Control are showing some gains as well.
Frankly, a real sign of how above and beyond you go with these reviews Steve is that instead of just telling me of the worse value of the 5800x compared to last generation, you explained why and taught me about the actual architecture of how Ryzen 5000 CPU's are constructed in a little unnecessary crash course! Seriously, you guys are the best, keep it up!
@@dwikydarmawan6373 yeah at low core clock. Now it is different. New consoles use 8-cores zen 2 architecture at +3ghz. Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order runs at 1080p/60fps or 4K 30fps on XSX. Zen+ or Zen 2 6-cores cpu on PC can have the same performance provided the same gpu power.
@@main_tak_becus6689 then the core number isn't the issue here. Rather than amount of cores, games nowadays probably will use mutithreading better than before since now console CPU with multithread (ps4 is 8 cores but no multithread). Yes maybe the game perfomance wil scale better with amount of threads but that doesn't mean the 6 cores 12 thread CPU is gonna get obsolete so fast.
Why would you even want to upgrade? If the additional price for a new motherboard would cause problems for you, you propably shouldn't upgrade. The 3600 is a great cpu that really will not cause a bottleneck with 95% of gpu's. Newer, better processors existing does not make your 3600 worse.
I just bought my r7 5800x for 200$ to replace my r5 3600xt and all of my problems maintaining fps on my 3060 went away im getting 80fps in cyberpunk in the city vs 45 in the city
i got a 5800x for $212 a couple weeks ago...paired it with a pulse rx 6800 for $520 (everything from NewEgg) not sure how you beat that pricing right now...i also got games for free, its crushing everything i throw at it
Can you please test both the 5600X and the 10600K at their full potential? 5600X OC + 1900MHz infinity fabric OC + 3800MHz low latency RAM vs 10600K OC + cache ratio OC + same 3800MHz RAM. Also, since zen 3 CPUs are now out, can you revisit PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 a little bit?
@@melvinhans1844 That was only a 5GHz OC. The 10600K can push more frames when paired with fast RAM and a cache ratio OC. th-cam.com/video/vbHyF50m-rs/w-d-xo.html
@@itouchgr4ss yup according to silicon lottery binning statistics. But if it’s close to a 10900k @5.2 in his 5600x review they tested the 10900k @ 5.2 so I guess just go based off that 10600K 4.90GHz 4.80GHz 2C+100MHz 1.280V 175W Top 73% 10600K 5.00GHz 4.90GHz 2C+100MHz 1.300V 180W Top 23% 10600K 5.10GHz 5.00GHz 2C+100MHz 1.320V 185W Top 8%
The performance difference is quite interesting in horizon dawn and death stranding both of which are console imports clearly favoring amd architecture, maybe a trend we might see more in future with ps5 and xsx.
They are also more modern titles, which probably utilise more cores effectively compared to the older games or games using older game engines. Im not sure its an AMD architecture thing just an optimisation to more cores and hyperthreading which AMD does better.
@@sebthompson7871 I agree, probably AMD's HT and devs heavily optimising for multi core. We needed to get away from Games being relegated to 2 or 4 cores where Intel wanted us to stay forever. GG AMD.
Xbox One and PS4 use a completely different CPU architecture to Zen, so your theory falls flat mate. Some games just prefer AMD CPUs while others prefer Intel CPUs.
i was quite shocked at the temperature readings you presented as my 5800X hits 90c on cinebench and most other stress tests which is it's set cap. Did you set a strict voltage? Or is that suggesting my AIO is fitted incorrectly ?
There's a good chance that AMD will never do a 8-core flagship at 700X level again, they'll probably do a Renoir refresh (think XT models) and released as the 5700G
I dont think they'll make a 5700x because last gen, the 3700x and the 3800x were too close to each other performance wise. They probably saw more people buying a 3700x and so they got rid of the 700x models and just made 800x models
Are they now? I'd never buy a hexa core in 2020 unless you are looking to replace it in 2 years tops, next gen consoles gets 8 cores with smt. A high-end PC needs 8c/16t to age well and 16gb as bare minimum, 32gb pref
@@Dr.WhetFarts I think it really depends on work load. For most case uses, I bet the 5600x at current prices is probably fine for many years. However, to get top gaming results, 8 core will be best, bit I'm sure the 6 core will hold its own for a while. If you are a competitive gamer, probably not. Still, wait a year or 2, sell the 6 core, bit a 5800x at less $, that can also work. TL;DR, 5600x is ok, though you'll have to take extra steps to upgrade later. Depends on cash on hand and usage
This review would be spot on if people had the choice between the 5600x or the 5900x. Right now, people who are looking to upgrade will buy whatever is in stock. This video might be relevant in 6-8 months when stock evens out. I just purchased a 5800x cuz it was the only 5000 series in stock at the time. I don't regret my purchase and went with it over the 10700k mostly for more future proofing with the PCI-e 4.0 support.
At a time when RTX 3080 is selling online for $2500, the 5800X at $450 feels like a bargain. Plus, unlike ANY graphics card or AMD CPU, it's actually in stock from time to time.
I just upgraded from a six core Ryzen 5 2600x to the eight core Ryzen 7 5800x. Cost me, 2023, only $200. -Amazing performance boost across all applications, especially Starfield, a game that is heavily CPU bound. I added to the upgrade and went from 16 Gig of Ram to 32 gigs for a nice $55. If you are still on Ryzen 2 architecture, the upgrade on a x470 board requires a BIOS update (no big deal). The performance boost seems worth it. Eight Cores, should be Future Proof for some time now.
Here's his video about that feature: th-cam.com/video/3CEFQxsgZ20/w-d-xo.html For some reason, my undestanding was that anybody could do that sort of thing with Zen 3. But at least right now, there really seems to be just one, very expensive MB. And even with that MB, one must guess, test or know the right value for current (CPU's Amperes) to switch between the two different modes. But once that is set right and all the right things are enabled, it seems to work. If I have undestood that right, it works something like this: * Low current --> normal mode (1 or 2 threads automatically boosts higher than 3 or 4 etc.). * High current --> traditional all-core OC by user (fixed frequency for all cores). * For Ryzen 9's (with 2 CCD's) it is possible to use separate OC for each CCD (6 or 8 cores + all the cache).
I got this board and I love it. As AM4 comes to an end, I wanted something nice. I don't see a need to upgrade until DDR5 is mature and affordable. The dynamic OC is pretty nifty but you need to tune it for your use case.
I think the best options are the: - AMD R5-5600X for great value and gaming - AMD R9-5950X for best overall performance Skip both the 5800X and 5900X. There's no Overclocking advantage. There's no gaming advantage over the 5600X. They lose handily to the 3950X and 5950X. And when it comes to productivity, you're better served with the Zen2 options. You can get the 3700 for much cheaper than the 5800X. Or for the same price you can get the 3900X instead. The 12-core 5900X is the worst option overall (price and performance). Otherwise, if you're looking for the ultimate value... you can look at the 3600, 1600f, 3300X, 3100 chips. They're not great for gaming/single-core tasks, but they're competent and decent at productivity. Maybe even go into the Used market for some 2700X, 2700, 1800X, 1700X, 1700, 1600X, and 1600 chips as these should be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the above, plus it would even shame the 5600X when it comes to both productivity and gaming value.
why bother making this video without the 5600x though? besides ofc to milk views for more money later, which is a dumb thing to agree with if ure a viewer since ure getting played.. what ever tho. i respect the hustle
I'd love to see the performance increase from a 3600 to a 5600x combined with a 5700xt, as this was a pretty common pairing especially for 1440p gaming!
at what resolution ? ... i doubt you will see much difference at 2k or 4k as 5700xt isnt strong enough to have a CPU as a bottleneck at higher resolutions
@@AJ-jq3hm precisely, these new CPUs require 2080Ti+ performance GPU (so 2080Ti, RTX3070 or RX6800 or stronger) to be needed, 2080/2080s/Radeon7/RX5700xt are just fine with 3600 or 3700x
I picked one up a few weeks ago for only $210 USD. WooHoo! I love slightly older hardware that still performs fine. That's the best way to build a computer. And oh my, I love that cheap sweet DDR4 memory on the market (currently fall 2023). Picked up a nice 64Gb kit for about $125 USD. CL 16 timings is fine with me after XMP is enabled. I'm not rendering visual stuff here, I'm gaming and goofing as an audiophile freak. It's a good time to build a new PC.
Hey HU, in case you guys didn't hear it yet, the Zen 3 CPUs gain approximately 8% more fps in gaming benchmarks when they are used with 4x8gb RAM sticks. Gamers Nexus did a video on it and I think it explains why you guys got different benchmark results to GN.
Would be great to see comparison between these CPUs in higher resolutions :) Clearly difference would be smaller but that's important for those looking for a possible upgrade
The 5800x is $380 right now for me and the 10700k is $270. I can't decide which to buy. I use my pc for various things such as gaming, streaming, video editing, programming, cad, 3d modeling, and other rendering productivity tasks as such. I would appreciate any help! As a side note, the 10850k is $320 but it ends up costing around $7 more than a 5800x build adjusting for the price of the motherboard. Also, the 3900x is $400 right now and the total cost of the build ends up costing $20 more than a 5800x build.
So your recommending I go with the Intel part and skip the 11% boost in frame rate from Smart Access Memory when paired with a 6000 series GPU. Skip PCI 4.0. Also as you pointed out I am getting higher binned 5950 silicon in the 5800x meaning it is more likely to achieve higher Over Clocks. Not to mention Tom’s hardware has reported that rated core frequency of the 5950 in the agesa is above 5ghz. I disagree. I think the silicon in the 5800 is worth the premium.
If you want performance then the 5900X is there, if you want value the 5600 X is there. If the 5800X is worth the premium then the 5900X is even more worth the premium. The 5800X is just a way for AMD to cream more money when the more desirable parts sell out, and even when there is plenty of stock the 8 core dies are better used in the 5950X or Epyc Milan.
@@tappy8741 Problem is there was much less 5900x available so most had only option to choose between 5600x and 5800x. Me using currently using 3700x loaded 60-90% going to 2 less cores does not make sense. Thankfully I dont need to choose here as managed to score 5950x. I would wait with the final word on 5800x value after it's tested with Navi21 GPUs, based on possible boost it might change its value compared to Intel or Zen2 CPUs.
At the end of the day even though it may not be the best value it's still worth buying for someone that needs/ wants this processors performance but absolutely can't afford a 5900X or rather save that $100 for something elsewhere in the build. An extra $50 premium isn't really a big deal for something that you're going to be using and relying on everyday... lol just cook at home the next time you wanna blow money ordering out. By no means is this a reason not to buy a 5800X. It's by far the best 8 core processor on the market. If 6 cores isn't enough for you and 12 cores is overkill for you then don't let something like deter you from purchasing it.
I need to build the whole thing. Difference in my country is about 120 USD. I'd rather get faster memory, better GPU (5800XT I hope) or anything else, actually.
Yeah not too sure why people are complaining so much about he pricing.. is where it should be tbh, once the new intel cpu's come out they'll most likely be in this same situation with pricing.. or even worst since you might need a new mobo as well. (most people interested in the 5800x usually do have a x470,b450,x570, or b550)
@@LilPistacho Precisely what you said. This is the end of the line for the AM4 platform, X470 here. I am splurging on the 5800x, upgrading from a 3800x. It is the end game for me as I mostly game. Don't need/want 12 cores, and don't want lesss than the 3800x's 8 cores. I will worry about GPUs later as my 2080 ti is still holding on.
The 5800x turned out to be the perfect part at $400 as it was the only processor I could get. When everything is unavailable, being in stock has a value of its own.
Same here. It's all well and good talking about value etc. But I could pretty much only find the 5800x at a decent price. I probably would have gotten a 5900x but it just wasn't available at a good price. The market is such a mess.
Now your temps are really unusual. How are you getting mid 70c? Mine immediately shoots up to 90 and stays there. I reseated my cooler about 4 times. I don't seem to be the only one...
I got this because I'll be getting into 3d Animation, Photoshop, Unreal 5 and some gaming with my new rig. The single core and multi core performance is right in the sweet spot regarding price in comparison to the 5900x and 5950x models in my opinion (when I purchased it). I'll eventually upgrade when the need arises but considering my current 11 year old laptop is using an i7 - 36180QM... even a 3600x would be a world of a difference xD
A couple years ago l got a 3900x. Ever since then I've been a happy camper. But today l thought of checking out these new Ryzen CPUs, and all l wanted to say is among the long list of videos, it was clear to me which one l wanted to watch. Excellent video as always, thank you!
Hey guys. I just bought an x570 motherboard and a 5800x. Im not sure if im gonna update the bios first or just plug and play. Do you guys have idea on how to check my current version of my bios through manual?
Why no tests in 1440P and 4 K ? I play at 1440 P ultrawide with a RTX 3080 and 3700X . Allways ultra settings. Reason I would consider an upgrade is because I heard MS flightsim is CPU limited. i'd love to know your thoughts.
Steve can u kindly how many hours u were up? And how many hours you slept during the 5000 series review? Please answer, I need to know, I'm an insomanic.
I bought mine yesterday before any reviews - I regret nothing, only that it sold out in seconds and i'm ended up on a waiting list ETA 30th Nov!! Its a nice upgrade from I7 7700k and with a MSI tomahawk B550 I think the 5800x will last me a good few years!
Same, I managed to get it in time and will receive it on Monday. The 5900X was tempting but it was also sold out. Even if it is the worst in terms of price/performance ratio it's still a beast and still going to be one hell of an upgrade from my old FX8350.
I don’t get why the 10900k is so much faster in your charts then everywhere else. Is there a crazy OC or are the zen chips running with shitty ram and/or OC?
U mean from his other videos or from other reviewers? If u mean other reviewers maybe cuz Steve is doing reliable, precise and consistend benchmarking and other reviewers method is not on that high bar of quality
He is using 3200mhz cl14 memory. Ltt got their results with 3600mhz memory and for the gamers nexus i heard they tuned their memory by hand. So yeah Steve is not using a bad memory but he is not using the best either.
@@hangnailh.9659 yeah buy an 3000 series and need to upgrade ram to 3200 , now buy 5000 series and no need to buy mobo but need 4000mhz ram . This is crap man .
They're not wrong though, it already has a high core load on today's games. Don't get me wrong, it's a really good CPU for today's needs, but it won't have the same longevity like an 8c/16t CPU, in 2-3 years the latest AAA will have hitches and stutters on a 5600X while a 5800X will handle them better.
@@DarthZombie12 That's not true, at all. Infact if you paid attention to pc gaming, you'd quickly realize that most big game publishers are going "games as a service", and dropping the old AAA model. As a game akin to Fortnite,Overwatch, Pubg, is making more money, than a typical AAA release. Why do you think Crytek, dropped making new Crysis games and focused on Warframe a FTP title? What's more demanding games arn't being released regularly.. Infact 99% of the games released on the pc platform, is playable with old ass Quad cores.
@@Orcawhale1 You can run Warzone on a quad core as well, doesn't mean it's gonna be the smoothest experience in spite of the good framerate it'll have. AAA titles will still be there, regardless. The GaaS model exists since a decade ago, if it was going that direction it would've done so already. You've got enough games like RDR2, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed, Watch Dogs, CoD, etc that will attempt to push the limits of the hardware. For those kind of titles, a 6 core won't be a long-term solution. If you only play Apex Legends, World of Tanks and other light e-sports titles, you don't even need a 5600X to have a good experience. We're fortunate to live in a world where there's accessibly-priced hardware for every type of need. But it doesn't change the fact that while today 5600X is a good cpu to handle top games, it'll age faster than 5800X.
@@dvornikovalexei 90% of games are single-core if you measure since the dawn of PCs, but that ain't a very relevant metric when talking about PC purchases in 2020, now is it? Please, use an i7-7700 and tell me it's as smooth of a use experience as with a 6 core/12 threads or a 8 core/16 threads CPU. It's good, don't get me wrong, but not as good as the other two. You wouldn't advise anyone to just buy a quadcore processor if he plans to play new demanding games, unless he's on a tight budget and he's willing to make sacrifices.
I agree. I think of the reviewers are butt hurt because the 5800x should be priced at $400 to be competitive but AMD knows that right now we have a shortage of chips so people will buy it anyways so they can charge what they want but mark my words, the 5800x will come down in price coming 2021. At $400 and matching the i9 10900k and r9 5950x in my opinion that’s the deal.
@@IsaandAli After checking, many videos...I am worried that some of that stuff mind have problems with temperature. I mind be wrong for sure, yet I am not rich and is not easy for me to just change PC - or parts that often. With weaker Intel and Geforce, at least I am sure is gonna work. If I am wrong on both, then next time I have to keep checking even more.
Suggestion: At Benchmarks like on 7:36 you could add the core count numbers like "AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16)". At least it is difficult for me to figure out in multicore tests how many cores each kind of CPU has. (And the core count influences the multicore results a lot). With the core numbers I could better compare the CPU to other CPUs with the same core number.
How do you not know how many cores they have? only abnormality is the 10900k with 10 cores 20 threads, for the rest it's 6 series = 6 cores / 12 threads, 7/8 series = 8 cores / 16 threads, 5900 = 12 cores / 24 threads and 5950 is 16 cores / 32 threads.
Yea, I was disappointed in the price inctease from orevious gen, but I think the 5600x would be a better value than the others but we will see when the reviews come
True, obviously they will price their products higher since they are completely better than their competitor (in gaming AND in workload) now watch these prices go down when 11th gen launches, or atleast hope for the 5700, 5700X and 5600 to be priced lower
So many people bitching about price. Look at the performance increase. They're a corporation, idiots. And when the prices increase a little they aren't literally satan himself immediately. Get some perspective and stop whining.
Why are all the gaming benchmarks at 1080P? Is that the most common res for gamers? I'm currently trying to put together a build to game at 4K 60fps ultra and yes I know CPU is less of a factor at that res but why is that not represented here? Not a criticism, just curious.
I have tested the 5800x and the 5900x on several bench marks, and I see them fairly neck to neck. I recommend the 5800x now with current pricing especially if it comes with a prebuilt (if that is in fact the customers wish). I build PC's in my shop and a RTX 3080, and a AMD 5800x is a great pairing.
from what ive learned, the ryzen 5k series is very dependent on ram speed and tight latencies. running 3200 speed ram is actually leaving quite a bit of performance on the table.
@@andrejusdoktorovicius2949 So if I want to upgrade my Ryzen 3100 in the future it will be worthless unless I also get faster RAM....man, this sucks ass.
im in delema right now, in my country the R7 5800x and R9 3900xt are same price 520€, planing to pair it with a radeon 6800xt, will both CPU's have the boost in performance that AMD talked in the conference. any tips?
Wow, if you look at the cinebench single thread test, their single core performance is up something like 80% since generation 1. That's impressive! Also, I agree this CPU is a bit absurd for pricing considering the competition, but I've got a nice x470 board with a 2700x, so, at least in my case, the choice is obvious. However, I'd wait for the non x model and just OC anyways
@@Ashachi no the prices are good considering the performance. Its that intel likes to jack prices up like crazy when the difference in the performance is 4%-8% better.
So I currently have a R5 3600 with an RTX 3070 on a B450 motherboard. Great combo but I notice in newer titles that I am starting to get a slight CPU bottleneck (older titles run perfectly fine). I'm considering on upgrading to a 5000 series CPU to at least eek out a few more years on my build and not have to worry for newer titles (P.S. I have already updated by BIOS to latest which supports 5000 series CPUs). I was thinking 5600X would be suitable, but the 5800X is only $90 AUD more - so is it worth that extra?
Just got one that was on sale for £200 here in the UK thanks to black friday, looking at the benchmarks for synthetics and gaming it looks like a good jump for a singular generation leap at the price I paid. Im currently on a 3700X with a 3080 Ti.
That's what I look for most importantly, still waiting on the 5600x, I suspect it will have similar performance to the rest of the 5000 series pack in gaming as it seems their cores is just a clone from each other and gaming is single threaded anyway
@@BB-bu7gq well, my prediction was correct and u can go check their video the differences margins is so close in 99% of the games, and for future proof games still have a long way for multi thread usage as the challenges to use them are big, so maybe think about it in ur next upgrade in 3 or 4 years later
That's a flawed method. If someone gives you a junker for free and it manages 1fps then it wins because that's infinite frames per dollar. Just get the highest performance you can afford.
@@TacticalTushie ur logic is the flawed one, cost-effective is a well known term in medical fields and it doesnt mean to give the cheapest medication nor to give the most expensive one, it means to achieve a balance between a good efficacy medication while maintaining a good price, and the correct example is, if my budget is 500$ which can get me an rtx 3070 with an average 120 fps, I would still get the rtx 3060 ti instead for 400$ and the average fps was 110 for example even if my budget was actually 500$ as I I can save 20% of my money while losing only about 9% of the performance
same. I dont see a need for a 5900, and the 5600 isnt anywhere close to being as good as the 5800 both in memory clock speed on ram or infinity clock.... nor in actual core clock... my 5800 happily goes past 5ghz on all cores
@@suprafastmafc okay I was just wondering because I’m getting the ryzen 7 5800x with the rx 5700 xt. I’m just not sure if they’ll be a good match together.
@@JACK-el2gs they will be. Amd processors work better with amd gpus. Amd processors even work very well with subpar cpus and the 5800x is anything but subpar
"Intel is better value". Huh, hadn't heard that in a while.
you can thank the AMD greed for that ...
@@Asghaad Did you even watch the video? He explained in the beginning why cheaper price wouldn't make any sense. How is this greed? It's just a niche product for those who can't afford 5900x, but want more than 6 cores, so it's high price is reasonable, they wouldn't get much profit if they were selling it at lower price, and they still needed to release 8 core processor to fill that niche, even if it's not very efficient.
@@Derael 6 cores will be the new 4 core soon
It's normal to have better value when the part costs cheaper. 5800x has performance comparable to 10900k, and costs 100$ less, so it's still a better value than Intel.
Sure, 10700k has better cost per frame in some games, but it's also a cheaper parts, and cheaper parts tend to be more efficient. In productivity it's still worse overall.
Last time i heard that was when they released the e6300 14 years ago.
Compared to the 5600X and 5900X, the 5800X is definitely less interesting for its price, especially if you're just gaming.
The 0.1% and 1% lows seem to be a little weaker on the 5600X compared to the >5800X though.
So it's a toss up between the 5600x vs 5900x?
Good luck with 6 cores and 100% utilization in future games, its not even a next gen yet but games like watch dogs 3 hammer cpus havily and i bet next bf game with 128 players will require 8 cores to run silky smooth.
@@JCTiggs1 ye. Looks like this. Tight budget - 5600x, a bit more cash to spend - 5900x, a lot of cash - 5950x
@@BorealSine True, even at high resolutions i'm seeing my 2600X get taxed heavily. I'm going for the 5900X once the initial rush ends.
I bought the 5800X because it was the only one I managed to get into my cart for the 15 seconds it was available.
Same here. These days you just have to buy whatevers avalable if you need pc parts. And since the good parts are always out of stock, you will most likly have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd best part. 5800x makes a bit more sense in this situation.
Same reason I bought the 3800x.
5800X currently in stock in the UK at £390 at overclockers but zero stock of any other 5000 series CPU’s. So it’s this chip or fuck all. I love the gullibility of our Aussie friend Steve that we actually have a choice in this market.
The 5600x and 5800x are almost always getting their stocks replenished. I'm still holding out for the 5900x tho.
@@starcitizen890j5 we dont have a choice as aussie either. You either buy 5800 at $760 or wait a year for 5900x at $899
Steve - don't buy the 5800x it's terrible value
Amazon & Newegg - that's all I've got
Yup i went all the way to microcenter thinking they still had some but when i got there they where sold out, so i had to buy a 5800x and do the 2 hour drive of shame back to my house.
@@lordmars8425 I feel you dude
The problem is everyone wants a ryzen 9 but since they need that for epyc and every reviewer is using that for pc builds
I just bought a Zen 2 APU as the 5600x is to expensive and the 3600 is seriously jacked up
@@theigpugamer yup and i can't get a gpu do i have my build halfway done 😭 i just wanted to get a RTX 3060 TI
@@lordmars8425 Even I wanted to buy a 2060 super or 5700 ( I was hoping they get cheaper)but i got an igpu to keep me going so i can buy a gpu later and this vega 7 is quite impressive tbh
Also for 425 bucks?
5800X is the best processor...because it actually exists! ...unlike all the rest.
Agreed, just ordered one today, will upgrade to a 5900x in a couple of years, when it its available
This hits where it hurts. It's pretty much the only zen 3 available at the moment
@@mekawasp its the worst time to build a pc...never experienced anything like this...
Totally agree, those reviews should take into account this “detail”
@some dude only when looking at cpu price as in order to get the higher performance numbers of the intel cpu bench numbers you need 3600mhz ram and the boards needed to run that speed cost way to much you can stick a 5800x in a b450 motherboard that cost 60 dollars. And the 5800x with a b450 board at microcenter runs you 530 after tax and can run ram speeds above 3600mhz to 4000mhz
For 33% more cores, there's 50% price increase.
That's 5800X for you.
Edit- And no stock cooler either.
AMD wont be the budget option from now on anymore. It will be priced at the same prices now as Intel (maybe even higher if their next gen will overrule the latest Intel CPUs by then). Edit: Ofc Ryzen 3000 is still the budget option, just not 5000 anymore.
@@dom_m7879
Well nothing wrong with going Zen 2.
3900X for example.
Or 3700X.
Or depending on a country a Zen+ champ 2700X.
@@dom_m7879 AMD is still the budget option, Ryzen 3000 is still there.
@@smarquez42 Oh yeah sorry i meant the new 5000 gen. ^^ Ofc the ryzen 3000 CPUs are still the budget option.
nothing wrong with that in my eyes they are just making their margins now, they have been selling ryzen chips for so chip until now, it's justified imo.
Sounds like the great thing about the 5800X will be that it will be available on store shelves.
Started gaming on the new build with a 5800x got one for $250 and I gotta say it’s amazing so fast and the fps in games with a 3060 ti is really crazy . Apex gets 240 up to 300 easy on high settings and 140 160 on high on caldera . And zips though through multi tasking like it’s nothing paired it with a arctic freezer duo for $50 and barely goes over 70 degrees while gaming . I think it’s crazy that the 5800x was over looked so much just because if the weird price spot .
that's crazy cheap. I got mine for 400$ days back
Nice. I thought my R5 3600 was bottlenecking my 3060ti. Good to know, I'll get a boost. Payed about 260$ myself.
Same price here. I am waiting for the ram to come. I have my rig ready except the ram modules. Cannot wait to test the system in games:D
Just paid 230 on Amazon to also pair with my 3060 Ti. Glad to know it will be worth it.
250 for my 5800x to pair with my 6900xt
Trust me Steve as a very small PC Tech Channel I know how much work goes into making one video with B Roll, Lower Thirds, testing, filming A Roll, it’s a lot. But just know we all do appreciate all the hard work you and Tim put into these video’s and it’s GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
Go fund him then
[Request] - I know it might be a bit of a stretch to ask this, but as a game developer, and I know there are quite a lot out there nowadays, i would love to see a comparison on Frame-rate when running the Unity Mega City Project, a comparison on running it in Engine, Making a build and Running the Build.
Why? Megacity Utlizes the new Data Oriented Technology Stack (DOTS) that can fully utilize every single available thread, every core in the PC. It will definitely be a technology that we will keep seeing more and more in games, several games have already started to use it for some features.
Thank you so much for getting the results out so fast!
TechGuru (I think) has a benchmark comparison for these processors for game development (UE4 baked lighting comparison). Its helped me a lot when deciding what processor to get for development purposes.
@@noobatron2663 that's cool, but light baking is done in editor before a build.
Personally not interested in light baking, after all, you can use a dedicated machine/server for that, and even leave it running over night. While extremely useful to know in UE, unity has a GPU lightmapper, making that info almost irrelevant when using that.
DOTS actually is used at runtime, hence why it is so interesting to benchmark.
I know it is a different kind of situation, but this CPU reminds me of the 3800x. Didn't make much sense, you could get a cheaper 3700x that packed the same number of cores and threads or stretch your budget and get a 3900x. This 800 parts are always in a weird spot.
umm I dont see a 5700X in the lineup do you?
@@SirKakalaCh yet
@@SirKakalaCh No. At least not yet. That's why I said "I know it is a different kind of situation". Even if there's no 5700x you could argue that the 5800x placement in the market is not the best given its price.
@@HrafnRaff yeah you are right at that. Im pretty sure they just wanted to incentivize people to buy higher tier cpus before intel launches theirs in march. Then we will probably see a competitive price drop.
My conspiracy theory is that they know the 800 series is poor value so they release it first and anyone who wants to rush out and have the latest thing will buy it, then they release the 5700X and the people who aren’t willing to pay for the 5800X will buy that.
That way they might get people buying the 5800X who would have got the 5700X if they were released at the same time.
I still ended up getting it as I want more than 6 cores(occasional video work), but want to put the $160(Aussie) jump to the 5900X would cost towards a new GPU.
@_Nism0 ?
I think either I didn't phrase myself well or you misread what I said. The 5900X is $859, $160 MORE than the 5800X(@$699).
I got 5800x, cause 5900x was sold out. I still have a backorder for 5900x, so i will probably sell my 5800x when 5900x arrives :P
WIth that 5800X pricing i'm stuck deciding whether to go all out with Zen 3 and good MB and RAM or just get a cheap MB, RAM and a 5600X then go all out when Zen 4 arrives or if by some miracle Intel pulls a rabbit out of the hat.
On the plus side at least the CPUs only have a few % markup over the US price so here's hoping the same holds for the RDNA 2 cards instead of the huge markups we have for the Nvidia cards, though since they're still from board partners and not AMD i'm guessing they probably will :(
@@mr.potato9449 Im im wierd situation aswel where my midrange build doesnt quite does it at 1440p, wondering if I should go all out aslwel on 5900x and 6800xt or skip generation and wait.
@@Mercyforme I'd consider skipping but with Cyberpunk coming out and a 3570K with a GTX 670 my hands are tied :(
I'd would probably even consider a 5950X but this being the last gen on this socket kills the idea of that for me.
From a pure comparing to the others price/performance wise yes. But the reasons i got the 5800x are;
1: It was the budget i had set for me cpu
2: i wanted the higest boost but with only one CCD
3: I already have 6 cores and i wanted more than that.
4: its a whole complete CCD so the silocone quality should be there
What other option without changing platform would there be?
I use 3700x which I bought in july'19 it performs worse than current ones and most of the benchmarks I see on youtube. I know I shouldn't expect 3700x to be top quality due to existence of 3800x but still complete CCD doesn't warrant it will be a high quality silicone. They will most likely bin high quality zen3 8core ones for r9 5950x.
also you can totally use a 5800x on a much cheaper b550 with no problems. Good luck doing that on a 5900x, overclocking is not going to be a thing.
@@edumeli02 I have a x570 with beefy vrms
@@matthewsmith2385 Sure, my point was that you can totally use a 5800x on a b550 and not have "beefy vrms" but you can't put a 5900x and expect good overclocking capabilities
@@edumeli02 well I mean they don't have that much oc room anyways so you could run them on a a520 🤣
Was my Ryzen 7 5800x a bit pricey? Yes.
Was it the only fucking thing in stock? Yes.
Am I happy and slapping around fat FPS in games? Yes. 🤷♂️
Shouldn't you factor in the average mainboard cost into the "better value" as well?
I mean, if the CPU is amazing value but the mainboard for it costs $400€, then that's still bad value overall.
Solid B550 MB for 5800x $150 to $200, Solid Z490 MB for 10700k $150 to $200.
@@johntotten4872 z490 should be compared to x570
@@Jorozzzzz no it should not. You need a z490 mb if you want to overclock the i7 10700k, you don't need a x570 mb to overclock the ryzen 5 5800x. A b550 mb will do fine.
Those prices given for B550 are not current, I got an X570 mobo at the middle of that range despite paying 20% VAT.
Ryzen 5000 will work with 400 series
Intel Z series was much more expensive for me and Intel have nasty habits for CPU upgrades.
Yes but the lowest end x570 boards aren't really good though.
Will you do a RAM speed test with Ryzen 5000 after the reviews? Some are suggesting that Zen 3 sees great performance uplifts when going from 3200 to 3600 or beyond. It would be interesting to see how especially the 5600X would stack up against the 10900K in gaming when using the fastest memory the 5600X can handle in 1:1 FLCK.
I doubt they will. 3200 cl14 is an odd choice. Now days I really think 3600- 4000 cl16/cl18 should be the default for benchmarks.
@@flipboy420 3200 is the standard these days, which is why they use it here. But I agree that benchmarks should either go all-out on memory to eliminate it as a bottleneck, or they should go for stock vs stock. HUB has chosen something in-between with 3200 for both being stock for AMD vs slight overclock for Intel. I understand why they do it, but I agree with you that it's suboptimal at this point. Especially so when others using higher frequencies are seeing a significant performance uplift just from that.
@Clorox Tree Steve claimed elsewhere that Linus' test has the 10900K running TDP limited, which means it's not an apples to apples comparison anymore. I'd like for Steve to go through different memory speeds, preferably with tuned timings as well. But of course, that's a very time consuming process, so it would have to wait a bit, perhaps even to after the 6800 and 6800XT.
@@flipboy420 it's not. Lower timings make up for lower frequency at 3200 - 3800 field *for games at least
@@chosendrunkard2389 4000 CL18 has a lower latency than 3600 CL16, which in turn has a lower latency than 3200 CL14. The latency is a result of both the frequency and the number of cycles in the CL number. While not technically correct, an easy method to approximate them is to divide one number with the other and compare them. 4000/18 > 3600/16 > 3200/14.
This means that 4000 CL18 is both much faster than 3200 CL14 while also having a slight reduction in latency as well, making it overall significantly better for tasks sensitive to memory speed and latency.
Linus was talking about memory affecting zen3 performance today on the wan show...would u test higher like 3600/4000mhz memory & low latency like cl14 memory to define the sweet spot?
yep I need some reviews with different ram speed.
but I think its better to wait a little, apparently a bios update is required to solve some stability issues with 4000RAM and so the infinity fabric at 2000mhz
LOL Hey Steve can you spend a few days of your time and redo all of these benchmarks at 3600 and 4000.
Bump
@@scottgardiner7418 really he should have just done that in the first place. Would have saved a lot of time, and people building new systems are buying 3600 kits now because prices have dropped a lot on RAM.
@@willgart1 Isn't that AGESA 1.1.0.0 Patch C? That's out for several motherboards.
Just waiting for the Radeon cards to drop then we can see if its worth to go complete red
We'll no doubt see a ton of 5600x / 6800XT rigs soon, believe me
@@TheMcBeefy Yep, same as the go-to build in the last year: 5700 XT / 3600
@@raresmacovei8382 its funny how the price has increased over 50% generation to generation on that "go to build".
Built my first PC 10 months or so ago and did research on parts to familiarize my self which led me to forums, costumer reviews, this channel, GN etc. I felt that at the time the best products for my money were a R7 3700X ($270) and Nitro + 5700XT ($400) combo. I've been very happy with my build. Gaming performance @ 1440P is anywhere between 60 -120 fps depending on the game of course.
I've been thinking of upgrading GPU and give the 5700XT to my little brother and I'd set my eyes on the 3080 but since AMD revealed their RX6000 cards the 6800XT looks like a better choice, maybe. The Vram difference is quite significant. I will wait for the independent reviews and if I do go with a 6800XT I will wait for another Nitro+ variant because I'm very happy with my current Nitro+ 5700XT.
@@TheMcBeefy Precisely the build I'm aiming at, although, I'm not even looking to build until after Christmas when hopefully they're able to maintain some stock.
I picked up a 5800x for less than half price and while it was cheap I was expecting some downsides even if minor as I heard heat stuff which obviously ties into peformance. I am now wondering if they changed something in production over time or I got a blessed chip as it runs incredibly cool on stock and benchmarks great in comparison to other people with the same cpu or systems. It was expensive at release so this video plays into some of that but man this chip has been a banger for me sticking on am4 for a bit longer and at 1440p max and 4k the 5800x3d difference is generally not big vs 1080p so the huge price increase put me off. I am legit having a fantastic experience with this cpu despite keeping expectations in check wow!
thank you i just buyed one will be delivered tomorrow :) 5800x i come from 2600 so it will better that's for sure
@@Call-me-100 how much did you pay? i upgrade from a 3600 and it should be delivered within 3 days. Really hyped up for this ugprade
@@hsko8007 I paid 155€ for it two weeks ago, en I'm loving it !!
I'm ok with the my R7 5800X, mostly because I paid just $349 USD, which at that time the 6 core R5 5600X was being priced at $299 or occasionally the 5600X would dip down to $279 for like a week then right back to $299, so to pay just $50 to $70 more for a faster chip with 2 more cores was really a "no brainer" ;)
Yeah, with the 5800X being found for $350-$380 more often than not, it's an excellent buy now. Especially considering it gets you very similar performance to the $550 11900k, which is a terrible buy. Productivity wise, the 3900X can also be had for about the same price as the 5800X, and there are still quite a few workloads where the 3900X is a good uplift over the 5800X that makes it worth considering. For gaming and occasional video editing, the 5800X is just about the perfect CPU at it's current price.
5800X is in between 5600X to 5900X, so the 5600X is the obvious choice until 5700X comes out or the 5800X price get reduced.
Your better off waiting for the 5700x. The 5800xt most likely won’t see a price drop until the Zen 3 refresh launches.
What if they never release a 5700x? if memory serves the 3700x and 3800x were released at the same time. like what if its just not possible cause of manufacturing constraints, wafer yields, and architecture? I feel like you will just have to wait for prices to go down in like a year or so.
They might do a 4+4 configuration with the 5700x
@@CP110 I am sure that both 5600 and 5700X SKUs will come. Probably only next year though, either when the B450/X470 MBs get their 5000 BIOS updates, or later when Rocket Lake launches around March 2021. I highly doubt AMD will stick to only the 4 launch SKUs, especially when you consider how extensive the previous gen Ryzen lineups were. Just because they have always released a larger portion of their SKUs at launch in the past, does not mean AMD wont extend the 5000 SKU lineup in the future. Even Zen2/3000 saw numerous SKU additions well after launch.
What we are seeing is early adopter fees, because AMD has learnt their lesson from launching cheaper SKUs (3600/3700X etc) at the same time as the more expensive models (3600X/3800X etc) from previous launches, because the cheaper non-X and lower end X SKUs (3600/3700X etc), always outsell their more expensive brethren (3600X/3800X). So AMD is just making their profit off the higher priced SKUs (5600X/5800X) while they are able to (and it also allows more left over Zen2 stock to sell as well), and then we will see the cheaper models later on (next year most likely). So I am fairly certain we will see the cheaper SKUs (5600/5700X) early next year sometime, and later on price drops. Incredibly unlikely AMD will stick to only the 4 launch SKU models, and what we are seeing is just business. They have pretty much the best all round CPUs at the moment, and they can charge for them, especially at launch.
And TSMCs (very mature) 7nm yields are excellent, and so is silicon quality, but 5000 launch demand will guarantee higher priced SKU sales, that is why AMD is unwilling to bin them as lower end SKUs (5600/5700X) right now and sell them for less (regardless of whether there is enough supply capacity to meet demand or not). So AMD is just selling everything they have currently made available, for the highest price they can get for them. Why bin such great quality silicon lower, and then sell it for less than you can actually get for it? Especially at launch when people are mostly prepared to pay for it? So they will sell as much as they can now, and other SKUs will follow later. Just give it time, it really is just bushiness, AMD is still just a company, and like all companies, it is in it to make a profit. Nothing wrong with that, they have the best, and they are charging the extra for it. Let those who are willing to pay the early adopter fee purchase them now, AMD will cater to more budgets a little later on.
If we would like the older launch structure to return (cheaper SKUs such as the 3600/5600/3700X/5700X at launch), we will need Intel to get seriously back in competition, with a very strong lineup, and decent prices to boot. Otherwise this launch structure will likely remain the status quo for all successive launches (especially if AMDs products keep going from strength to strength). AMD doesn't need to compete with lower priced 5600 and 5700X SKUs right out of the gate with this launch, because they are pretty much leading in all round performance, and demand is at an all time high. So AMDs more expensive 5600X/5800X SKUs are guaranteed to sell well thanks to high demand with this launch.
So the limited launch SKU lineup is not a surprise, but it would be a surprise if AMD were to not release any cheaper SKUs in the 5000 lineup. It would be the most limited range of just about any CPU series ever released, if AMD were to release nothing more than the 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X SKUs. That makes no sense whatsoever. And there isn't any room for more expensive SKUs in the current lineup, but there is room for cheaper "sales boosting" SKUs in the current lineup. Do you see what I am getting at?
And AMDs silence on any upcoming models also makes financial sense, it is so they can keep the launch lineup selling like hot cakes. AMD doesn't want any potential buyers to wait for cheaper SKUs, and that is what would likely occur, if AMD outright declared that cheaper (although slightly lower performing) SKUs were coming next year. AMD obviously wants to keep the more expensive launch SKUs sales momentum going, right through the frenzied holiday sales season, and right till the very moment they announce additional SKUs. AMDs goal is to achieve tremendous (and their best to date) launch and holiday financial earnings. So we should only expect announcements for additional (and cheaper) SKUs next year (in the first 3 months latest), it doesn't make financial sense for AMD to announce or release them before then, but they will come. There have already been rumors going around about an cheaper 5600 coming, but no official word as of yet. And I don't expect any official word till after the holiday and launch sales frenzy (so likely early next year).
@@apricotmadness4850 no he not better off waiting he better buying the 5800x
$90 R7 PRO 1700 OC in my heart.
ok
U r thinking of that !! Im gonna go for athlon 3000g lmao
It's fine for 60hz.
@@TheClearStalker gonna keep my study materials there lol
How does that fare in late 2020? Im interested in building one
steve sounds so much tired :(
Steve must have done a lot of benchmarking with the new Zen 3 CPUs. Get a lot of rest Steve! The RX 6800 XT is launching in 11 days. You need to be healthy!
@@conyo985 he's probably already testing them or will have them in like a few days
Good fuckin luck mate, we are absolutely grateful for what you do.
yeah steve ! you need to be healthy for you , your loved ones and your community that definitely loves you ! from a french viewer that watches so much your videos that i'm now speaking english with a mix of my original british accent i learnt and now the australian one. got called "a queensland mate" on VRchat because of that . all because of you ! so i wanna see YOU next time too
Nah he's just been huffing "team green"
@@conyo985 and after the 6900XT
and the AIB models... november has 60days this year...
currently its at £380 and instock ? I currently have i7 6700k and tempted to upgrade
This didn’t age well because the 5800x is actually pretty awesome.
Yeah like at all. I understand the pricing but it was launch and the new cpus are extremely optimized for the 7nm process vs the last generation.
Uh, no. The 5800x is a mediocre CPU; the gains over a 5600X are laughable, and to make matters worse it generates significantly more heat and has much higher power consumption. But, if you want 150% of the power consumption for like 4% more performance in gaming with 11 degree higher temps, go for it. It is a decent CPU for productivity, but even then the 5900X absolutely trashes it. And talking about age, the 12th gen CPUs also trash it. So, yeah.
Tell me you want to justify your purchase of a 5800X without telling me.
@@rustler08 damn man, you took this pretty personal lol.
Not really, the 5900 is a better deal still.
Maybe the 5800X 3D, but the 5800X only at a discount.
CPU is not something that is worth going on cheap, since its much bigger hassle to change it, and is linked to socket of motherboard, its not like you are getting 2666 MHz RAM instead of 5000 because difference is so small its not worth paying extra money.
We need some insight with memory tuned Ryzen 5000 Steve , can't wait !
Top ram oc + cpu oc on both platforms: th-cam.com/video/yPW-7rxEWOc/w-d-xo.html
@@BadRusMan oh nice
Tnx
I am searching zen2 vs zen3 performance with low latency 3600 3733 3800 and 4000 mhz ddr4 modules. I am suspicious due to ccx design my tuned zen2 r7 3700x with reasonable 1867 infinity fabric 1:1 ratio and 3733mhz cl16 subtimings tuned performance could be not as far behind to zen3 as zen2 benefits due to 4cores per ccx design from higher bandwith ddr4 and higher infinity fabric even more but I am maybe too optimistic :D interesting to see. Zen2 is still great ;) Zen3 better a lot simple as that ;)))
@@milanklco I'm still working on re-tuning my memory but so far, I'm able to reach a slightly higher Fclk on the 5600X vs my 3900X; stock to stock with 3600@CL15 (and tuned subtimings) there is a marked difference in the few game benchmarks I've run. Metro Exodus for instance I gained an instant gain of around 40 FPS...that was probably the most pronounced but Youngblood and Control are showing some gains as well.
@@mordacain3293 nice overall 5600x is better in games as 3900x correct? :) how much?
I got the 5800x, because I wanted to. Most cores in one CCX.
It's an excellent CPU.
Frankly, a real sign of how above and beyond you go with these reviews Steve is that instead of just telling me of the worse value of the 5800x compared to last generation, you explained why and taught me about the actual architecture of how Ryzen 5000 CPU's are constructed in a little unnecessary crash course! Seriously, you guys are the best, keep it up!
Awesome content, as usual. Any chance to get that Cost per Frame chart with 11 Game Average @ 1440p?
5600x with good 3600mhz ram is the way
True, but perhaps future bios revisions will improve 4000 MHz support
wouldn't go with a 6 core processor. Not very future proof and even new consoles offer 8 cores, which will be the new standart for games
@@MongolordD FYI, PS 4 already have 8 cores
@@dwikydarmawan6373 yeah at low core clock. Now it is different. New consoles use 8-cores zen 2 architecture at +3ghz. Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order runs at 1080p/60fps or 4K 30fps on XSX. Zen+ or Zen 2 6-cores cpu on PC can have the same performance provided the same gpu power.
@@main_tak_becus6689 then the core number isn't the issue here. Rather than amount of cores, games nowadays probably will use mutithreading better than before since now console CPU with multithread (ps4 is 8 cores but no multithread). Yes maybe the game perfomance wil scale better with amount of threads but that doesn't mean the 6 cores 12 thread CPU is gonna get obsolete so fast.
That "better value" of 10700K makes no sense because motherboards costs.... I can upgrade from my legendary 3600 to this 5800x without changing mb 😐
I wonder how fast will your b450 motherboard die of such powerful cpu
@@nifiga_prikolno That's.... Not how that works lol
Why would you even want to upgrade? If the additional price for a new motherboard would cause problems for you, you propably shouldn't upgrade. The 3600 is a great cpu that really will not cause a bottleneck with 95% of gpu's. Newer, better processors existing does not make your 3600 worse.
@@nifiga_prikolno As long as their B450 board has a capable VRM, which some definitely do, it should have no problems with the CPU.
@@nifiga_prikolno Certain B450 mobos had pretty good VRM, and if anything the greater efficiency of the new CPUs will make them even easier to push.
5800X is cheaper than the 5600X today at memory express lul
I just bought my r7 5800x for 200$ to replace my r5 3600xt and all of my problems maintaining fps on my 3060 went away im getting 80fps in cyberpunk in the city vs 45 in the city
i got a 5800x for $212 a couple weeks ago...paired it with a pulse rx 6800 for $520 (everything from NewEgg) not sure how you beat that pricing right now...i also got games for free, its crushing everything i throw at it
Got mine a bit below that and stoked
I bought the 5800x and Im fine with it.
yeah in this moment you have no choice if you want a zen3 cpu, everywhere out of stock
It's not that it isn't a fine product. It's that the pricing is very much on the "meh" side, even with Intel added in the comparison.
Same here
nice buy man - top processor
Same. Upgrading from a i7-6700k so I won't be complaining.
Can you please test both the 5600X and the 10600K at their full potential?
5600X OC + 1900MHz infinity fabric OC + 3800MHz low latency RAM vs 10600K OC + cache ratio OC + same 3800MHz RAM.
Also, since zen 3 CPUs are now out, can you revisit PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 a little bit?
The 5600x would win gamers nexus tested the 10600 @5.0* But the Amd chip also cost more so it depends on how much you want to spend
@@melvinhans1844 That was only a 5GHz OC. The 10600K can push more frames when paired with fast RAM and a cache ratio OC. th-cam.com/video/vbHyF50m-rs/w-d-xo.html
@@WrexBF not every 10600k hit above 5GHz. Overclocking is a gamble. You might be unlucky and get a dud cpu. Who knows
Oc is dead on ryzen you see the performance drop especially with single core
@@itouchgr4ss yup according to silicon lottery binning statistics. But if it’s close to a 10900k @5.2 in his 5600x review they tested the 10900k @ 5.2 so I guess just go based off that
10600K 4.90GHz 4.80GHz 2C+100MHz 1.280V 175W Top 73%
10600K 5.00GHz 4.90GHz 2C+100MHz 1.300V 180W Top 23%
10600K 5.10GHz 5.00GHz 2C+100MHz 1.320V 185W Top 8%
The performance difference is quite interesting in horizon dawn and death stranding both of which are console imports clearly favoring amd architecture, maybe a trend we might see more in future with ps5 and xsx.
Been saying that for a while. Next gen games will favour Ryzen which isn't a terrible thing imo.
They are also more modern titles, which probably utilise more cores effectively compared to the older games or games using older game engines. Im not sure its an AMD architecture thing just an optimisation to more cores and hyperthreading which AMD does better.
In Valorant +100 Fps for AMD , in Cs Go and Dota.
@@sebthompson7871 I agree, probably AMD's HT and devs heavily optimising for multi core. We needed to get away from Games being relegated to 2 or 4 cores where Intel wanted us to stay forever. GG AMD.
Xbox One and PS4 use a completely different CPU architecture to Zen, so your theory falls flat mate. Some games just prefer AMD CPUs while others prefer Intel CPUs.
Why no comparison against the amd xp chip for those still on gen 1 boards wondering if they should upgrade?
i was quite shocked at the temperature readings you presented as my 5800X hits 90c on cinebench and most other stress tests which is it's set cap. Did you set a strict voltage? Or is that suggesting my AIO is fitted incorrectly ?
10700k become better value, what happen here
AMD turned in to what Intel was before AMD became competitive with Zen 1 and Zen 2.
Hell froze over.
@@Matruchus if they have a better product, why would they charge less? They are a company.
one thing we all can Agree is
even if AMD become asshole, intel alternative still usable
unlike FX
I think its all about the upsell 😏
This is why I'm gonna wait for AMD to (hopefully) release 5700X. It will probably even come with the stock cooler.
i wait for 5900 non x thats gona be better
@@djerinich doubt that's gonna happen, ryzen 7s are all x
There's a good chance that AMD will never do a 8-core flagship at 700X level again, they'll probably do a Renoir refresh (think XT models) and released as the 5700G
Not enough chips from TSMC to release a 5700X I guess...
I dont think they'll make a 5700x because last gen, the 3700x and the 3800x were too close to each other performance wise. They probably saw more people buying a 3700x and so they got rid of the 700x models and just made 800x models
People are waiting for the 5600x benchmark, while I'm waiting for Steve and Tim to do Mario and Luigi cosplay.
Are they now? I'd never buy a hexa core in 2020 unless you are looking to replace it in 2 years tops, next gen consoles gets 8 cores with smt. A high-end PC needs 8c/16t to age well and 16gb as bare minimum, 32gb pref
Got my self 5600x, im gonna upgrade it 2 or years again
@@Dr.WhetFarts I think it really depends on work load. For most case uses, I bet the 5600x at current prices is probably fine for many years. However, to get top gaming results, 8 core will be best, bit I'm sure the 6 core will hold its own for a while. If you are a competitive gamer, probably not. Still, wait a year or 2, sell the 6 core, bit a 5800x at less $, that can also work. TL;DR, 5600x is ok, though you'll have to take extra steps to upgrade later. Depends on cash on hand and usage
@@deansmits006 what games even use that many cores? how many games even use 4 cores?
0:22 “The first rule about fight club is you don't talk about fight club.”
“The second rule about fight club is you don't talk about fight club.”
Price on this dropped to $239 on Amazon recently. Finally decided to go for it as an upgrade to the aging R5 3600.
This review would be spot on if people had the choice between the 5600x or the 5900x. Right now, people who are looking to upgrade will buy whatever is in stock. This video might be relevant in 6-8 months when stock evens out. I just purchased a 5800x cuz it was the only 5000 series in stock at the time. I don't regret my purchase and went with it over the 10700k mostly for more future proofing with the PCI-e 4.0 support.
Props to Steve for slaving away in that aussie heat and staying alive on kangaroo meat to bring us these fantastic blue bar graphs.
Love you mate ♥️🇺🇲
Aussie heat? It's November and a balmy top of 21 degrees C. Happy climate change!
Add fighting off spiders to that list.
@@theonlyjumpyhumpy You mean... just plain weather?
@@theonlyjumpyhumpy where tf are you im sitting in 30 degrees heat daily its terrible
Thank you Deus 'sarcastic internet genius' Ex guy.
At a time when RTX 3080 is selling online for $2500, the 5800X at $450 feels like a bargain. Plus, unlike ANY graphics card or AMD CPU, it's actually in stock from time to time.
I just upgraded from a six core Ryzen 5 2600x to the eight core Ryzen 7 5800x. Cost me, 2023, only $200. -Amazing performance boost across all applications, especially Starfield, a game that is heavily CPU bound. I added to the upgrade and went from 16 Gig of Ram to 32 gigs for a nice $55.
If you are still on Ryzen 2 architecture, the upgrade on a x470 board requires a BIOS update (no big deal). The performance boost seems worth it. Eight Cores, should be Future Proof for some time now.
Update 20 March 2021, Ryzen 5900X now goes for $850.00 USD, so the Ryzen 5800X at $450.00 USD is the better buy now.
ASUS Dark Hero motherboard can let you keep single core boost while OC the multi core (source: der8auer)
Here's his video about that feature: th-cam.com/video/3CEFQxsgZ20/w-d-xo.html
For some reason, my undestanding was that anybody could do that sort of thing with Zen 3. But at least right now, there really seems to be just one, very expensive MB. And even with that MB, one must guess, test or know the right value for current (CPU's Amperes) to switch between the two different modes. But once that is set right and all the right things are enabled, it seems to work.
If I have undestood that right, it works something like this:
* Low current --> normal mode (1 or 2 threads automatically boosts higher than 3 or 4 etc.).
* High current --> traditional all-core OC by user (fixed frequency for all cores).
* For Ryzen 9's (with 2 CCD's) it is possible to use separate OC for each CCD (6 or 8 cores + all the cache).
It also costs more than my 5700 XT Aorus, though lmao
So are you saying it's better to get 5900x or 5800x with Dark Hero?
Agressive PBO in Asus TUF gaming will also go great, I have my 5800X hover around 4865 MHz all core, and 4895 on 5 cores.
I got this board and I love it. As AM4 comes to an end, I wanted something nice. I don't see a need to upgrade until DDR5 is mature and affordable. The dynamic OC is pretty nifty but you need to tune it for your use case.
Inb4 the “where’s 5600x review” comments arrive
Eiii
Where's 560....oh tomorrow , i get it
I think the best options are the:
- AMD R5-5600X for great value and gaming
- AMD R9-5950X for best overall performance
Skip both the 5800X and 5900X. There's no Overclocking advantage. There's no gaming advantage over the 5600X. They lose handily to the 3950X and 5950X. And when it comes to productivity, you're better served with the Zen2 options. You can get the 3700 for much cheaper than the 5800X. Or for the same price you can get the 3900X instead. The 12-core 5900X is the worst option overall (price and performance).
Otherwise, if you're looking for the ultimate value... you can look at the 3600, 1600f, 3300X, 3100 chips. They're not great for gaming/single-core tasks, but they're competent and decent at productivity. Maybe even go into the Used market for some 2700X, 2700, 1800X, 1700X, 1700, 1600X, and 1600 chips as these should be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the above, plus it would even shame the 5600X when it comes to both productivity and gaming value.
why bother making this video without the 5600x though? besides ofc to milk views for more money later, which is a dumb thing to agree with if ure a viewer since ure getting played.. what ever tho. i respect the hustle
@@ernestod4282 It's his channel he can do whatever he wants. I am sure there are a couple of 5600x reviews already out there
I'd love to see the performance increase from a 3600 to a 5600x combined with a 5700xt, as this was a pretty common pairing especially for 1440p gaming!
at what resolution ? ... i doubt you will see much difference at 2k or 4k as 5700xt isnt strong enough to have a CPU as a bottleneck at higher resolutions
10% difference
Makes no sense to pair the 5600x with the 5700xt.
The 3600 doesn't bottleneck the 5700xt at 1440p.
@@AJ-jq3hm precisely, these new CPUs require 2080Ti+ performance GPU (so 2080Ti, RTX3070 or RX6800 or stronger) to be needed, 2080/2080s/Radeon7/RX5700xt are just fine with 3600 or 3700x
Even at 1080p there will not be a huge difference between 3600 and 5600x. You would need the 6900xt/3090 at 1080p to show the true gains.
I picked one up a few weeks ago for only $210 USD. WooHoo! I love slightly older hardware that still performs fine. That's the best way to build a computer. And oh my, I love that cheap sweet DDR4 memory on the market (currently fall 2023). Picked up a nice 64Gb kit for about $125 USD. CL 16 timings is fine with me after XMP is enabled. I'm not rendering visual stuff here, I'm gaming and goofing as an audiophile freak. It's a good time to build a new PC.
why is the 9900k never on anyone's comparison list?
Or the 10850k
Hey HU, in case you guys didn't hear it yet, the Zen 3 CPUs gain approximately 8% more fps in gaming benchmarks when they are used with 4x8gb RAM sticks. Gamers Nexus did a video on it and I think it explains why you guys got different benchmark results to GN.
I think Steve needs a good rest after all these benchmarks, he sounds tired and often made some mistakes while talking about the results.
How often?
10:25
@@ImplantedMemories that it?
@@Hardwareunboxed just one example no hate. You said 155 FPS but the graph shows 115 FPS.
@@ImplantedMemories You must be really bored
Would be great to see comparison between these CPUs in higher resolutions :) Clearly difference would be smaller but that's important for those looking for a possible upgrade
would you recommend the R9 3900x for a new configuration today (end 2020 - early 2021)?
3900x is a beast cpu. Can't go wrong depending on price of course
The 5800x is $380 right now for me and the 10700k is $270. I can't decide which to buy. I use my pc for various things such as gaming, streaming, video editing, programming, cad, 3d modeling, and other rendering productivity tasks as such. I would appreciate any help! As a side note, the 10850k is $320 but it ends up costing around $7 more than a 5800x build adjusting for the price of the motherboard. Also, the 3900x is $400 right now and the total cost of the build ends up costing $20 more than a 5800x build.
So your recommending I go with the Intel part and skip the 11% boost in frame rate from Smart Access Memory when paired with a 6000 series GPU. Skip PCI 4.0. Also as you pointed out I am getting higher binned 5950 silicon in the 5800x meaning it is more likely to achieve higher Over Clocks. Not to mention Tom’s hardware has reported that rated core frequency of the 5950 in the agesa is above 5ghz.
I disagree. I think the silicon in the 5800 is worth the premium.
Yeah concidering your getting 10900k performance for much less
If you want performance then the 5900X is there, if you want value the 5600 X is there. If the 5800X is worth the premium then the 5900X is even more worth the premium. The 5800X is just a way for AMD to cream more money when the more desirable parts sell out, and even when there is plenty of stock the 8 core dies are better used in the 5950X or Epyc Milan.
Tbh the 10700k isn't even worth it. 10600k has the same performance in gaming if tuned which makes the 10700k useless.
im getting the 5600x to replace my R3 1200af
@@tappy8741 Problem is there was much less 5900x available so most had only option to choose between 5600x and 5800x.
Me using currently using 3700x loaded 60-90% going to 2 less cores does not make sense.
Thankfully I dont need to choose here as managed to score 5950x.
I would wait with the final word on 5800x value after it's tested with Navi21 GPUs, based on possible boost it might change its value compared to Intel or Zen2 CPUs.
At the end of the day even though it may not be the best value it's still worth buying for someone that needs/ wants this processors performance but absolutely can't afford a 5900X or rather save that $100 for something elsewhere in the build. An extra $50 premium isn't really a big deal for something that you're going to be using and relying on everyday... lol just cook at home the next time you wanna blow money ordering out. By no means is this a reason not to buy a 5800X. It's by far the best 8 core processor on the market. If 6 cores isn't enough for you and 12 cores is overkill for you then don't let something like deter you from purchasing it.
I need to build the whole thing. Difference in my country is about 120 USD. I'd rather get faster memory, better GPU (5800XT I hope) or anything else, actually.
Yeah not too sure why people are complaining so much about he pricing.. is where it should be tbh, once the new intel cpu's come out they'll most likely be in this same situation with pricing.. or even worst since you might need a new mobo as well. (most people interested in the 5800x usually do have a x470,b450,x570, or b550)
@@LilPistacho Precisely what you said. This is the end of the line for the AM4 platform, X470 here. I am splurging on the 5800x, upgrading from a 3800x. It is the end game for me as I mostly game. Don't need/want 12 cores, and don't want lesss than the 3800x's 8 cores. I will worry about GPUs later as my 2080 ti is still holding on.
@@LilPistacho It is where it should be, it's just a very small niche I guess, which is fair.
The 5800x turned out to be the perfect part at $400 as it was the only processor I could get. When everything is unavailable, being in stock has a value of its own.
Same here. It's all well and good talking about value etc. But I could pretty much only find the 5800x at a decent price. I probably would have gotten a 5900x but it just wasn't available at a good price. The market is such a mess.
Now your temps are really unusual. How are you getting mid 70c? Mine immediately shoots up to 90 and stays there. I reseated my cooler about 4 times. I don't seem to be the only one...
Do you plan to do a memory tuning/scaling benchmark series for Zen 3?
What a coincidence...
@@NWA744 sup bro
I got this because I'll be getting into 3d Animation, Photoshop, Unreal 5 and some gaming with my new rig. The single core and multi core performance is right in the sweet spot regarding price in comparison to the 5900x and 5950x models in my opinion (when I purchased it). I'll eventually upgrade when the need arises but considering my current 11 year old laptop is using an i7 - 36180QM... even a 3600x would be a world of a difference xD
A couple years ago l got a 3900x. Ever since then I've been a happy camper. But today l thought of checking out these new Ryzen CPUs, and all l wanted to say is among the long list of videos, it was clear to me which one l wanted to watch. Excellent video as always, thank you!
Hey guys. I just bought an x570 motherboard and a 5800x. Im not sure if im gonna update the bios first or just plug and play. Do you guys have idea on how to check my current version of my bios through manual?
Why no tests in 1440P and 4 K ? I play at 1440 P ultrawide with a RTX 3080 and 3700X . Allways ultra settings. Reason I would consider an upgrade is because I heard MS flightsim is CPU limited. i'd love to know your thoughts.
Now that the 5600X is inflated to $400+ and the 5900X is nowhere to be seen, now it makes sense.
Playing your intro at 0.25 speed is such a surreal experience.
I think put "don't buy" base on the value on release date in the title is a bad idea.
Did you have any trouble running a higher ram speed like 3600mhz on the MSI Board
Steve can u kindly how many hours u were up? And how many hours you slept during the 5000 series review? Please answer, I need to know, I'm an insomanic.
I bought mine yesterday before any reviews - I regret nothing, only that it sold out in seconds and i'm ended up on a waiting list ETA 30th Nov!! Its a nice upgrade from I7 7700k and with a MSI tomahawk B550 I think the 5800x will last me a good few years!
Same, I managed to get it in time and will receive it on Monday. The 5900X was tempting but it was also sold out.
Even if it is the worst in terms of price/performance ratio it's still a beast and still going to be one hell of an upgrade from my old FX8350.
@@cormoran2303 that sounds exciting great job waiting
I don’t get why the 10900k is so much faster in your charts then everywhere else. Is there a crazy OC or are the zen chips running with shitty ram and/or OC?
U mean from his other videos or from other reviewers? If u mean other reviewers maybe cuz Steve is doing reliable, precise and consistend benchmarking and other reviewers method is not on that high bar of quality
He is using 3200mhz cl14 memory. Ltt got their results with 3600mhz memory and for the gamers nexus i heard they tuned their memory by hand. So yeah Steve is not using a bad memory but he is not using the best either.
5800x is best with 4000mhz.... not 3200mhz ram
@@ahmetikbal8652 Steve is an intel shill now.
I say jokingly, but you never know. Anything is possible.
@@hangnailh.9659 yeah buy an 3000 series and need to upgrade ram to 3200 , now buy 5000 series and no need to buy mobo but need 4000mhz ram . This is crap man .
People frightened about the 5600x's core count being a problem, which is just insane. Give it at least five years, easily.
They're not wrong though, it already has a high core load on today's games. Don't get me wrong, it's a really good CPU for today's needs, but it won't have the same longevity like an 8c/16t CPU, in 2-3 years the latest AAA will have hitches and stutters on a 5600X while a 5800X will handle them better.
@@DarthZombie12 That's not true, at all.
Infact if you paid attention to pc gaming, you'd quickly realize that most big game publishers are going "games as a service", and dropping the old AAA model. As a game akin to Fortnite,Overwatch, Pubg, is making more money, than a typical AAA release.
Why do you think Crytek, dropped making new Crysis games and focused on Warframe a FTP title?
What's more demanding games arn't being released regularly.. Infact 99% of the games released on the pc platform, is playable with old ass Quad cores.
@@Orcawhale1 You can run Warzone on a quad core as well, doesn't mean it's gonna be the smoothest experience in spite of the good framerate it'll have.
AAA titles will still be there, regardless. The GaaS model exists since a decade ago, if it was going that direction it would've done so already. You've got enough games like RDR2, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed, Watch Dogs, CoD, etc that will attempt to push the limits of the hardware. For those kind of titles, a 6 core won't be a long-term solution.
If you only play Apex Legends, World of Tanks and other light e-sports titles, you don't even need a 5600X to have a good experience.
We're fortunate to live in a world where there's accessibly-priced hardware for every type of need. But it doesn't change the fact that while today 5600X is a good cpu to handle top games, it'll age faster than 5800X.
@@DarthZombie12 85% games don't even use more than 4 cores. Hardly any games use hyperthreading. You are so deluded
@@dvornikovalexei 90% of games are single-core if you measure since the dawn of PCs, but that ain't a very relevant metric when talking about PC purchases in 2020, now is it?
Please, use an i7-7700 and tell me it's as smooth of a use experience as with a 6 core/12 threads or a 8 core/16 threads CPU. It's good, don't get me wrong, but not as good as the other two. You wouldn't advise anyone to just buy a quadcore processor if he plans to play new demanding games, unless he's on a tight budget and he's willing to make sacrifices.
Right now, it's actually for sale below msrp here in the Netherlands, probably because most people are going for the other 3 chips instead.
Main thing what I was looking at was 5800X vs i9-10900K. For me 5800X is a winner or did I see those numbers wrong way?
I agree. I think of the reviewers are butt hurt because the 5800x should be priced at $400 to be competitive but AMD knows that right now we have a shortage of chips so people will buy it anyways so they can charge what they want but mark my words, the 5800x will come down in price coming 2021. At $400 and matching the i9 10900k and r9 5950x in my opinion that’s the deal.
@@IsaandAli After checking, many videos...I am worried that some of that stuff mind have problems with temperature. I mind be wrong for sure, yet I am not rich and is not easy for me to just change PC - or parts that often. With weaker Intel and Geforce, at least I am sure is gonna work. If I am wrong on both, then next time I have to keep checking even more.
@@IsaandAli Hi! Now I can say then for me 5900X will be an answer ;) Problem is still with graphic cards :(
Suggestion: At Benchmarks like on 7:36 you could add the core count numbers like "AMD Ryzen 9 5950X (16)". At least it is difficult for me to figure out in multicore tests how many cores each kind of CPU has. (And the core count influences the multicore results a lot). With the core numbers I could better compare the CPU to other CPUs with the same core number.
How do you not know how many cores they have? only abnormality is the 10900k with 10 cores 20 threads, for the rest it's 6 series = 6 cores / 12 threads, 7/8 series = 8 cores / 16 threads, 5900 = 12 cores / 24 threads and 5950 is 16 cores / 32 threads.
I thought the same as well!
Still going strong in 2023 lol
New AMD: who cares about value? We are on top now~
Yea, I was disappointed in the price inctease from orevious gen, but I think the 5600x would be a better value than the others but we will see when the reviews come
True, obviously they will price their products higher since they are completely better than their competitor (in gaming AND in workload) now watch these prices go down when 11th gen launches, or atleast hope for the 5700, 5700X and 5600 to be priced lower
Yes! And who cares about which one is better. They are out of stock anyway.
Considering the astonishing performance they provide, they offer pretty good value, especially the 5600x
So many people bitching about price. Look at the performance increase. They're a corporation, idiots. And when the prices increase a little they aren't literally satan himself immediately. Get some perspective and stop whining.
Why are all the gaming benchmarks at 1080P? Is that the most common res for gamers? I'm currently trying to put together a build to game at 4K 60fps ultra and yes I know CPU is less of a factor at that res but why is that not represented here? Not a criticism, just curious.
I bought the 5800k, run hot?? No way it runs idle 32c and under load 60c not hot at all and I'm running with a mugen 5.
I just bought a brand new 5800x yesterday, and it was only 245$
Got one 2 days ago for 339 CAD 247USD. What GPU are you using and what cooler for your cpu?
I have tested the 5800x and the 5900x on several bench marks, and I see them fairly neck to neck. I recommend the 5800x now with current pricing especially if it comes with a prebuilt (if that is in fact the customers wish). I build PC's in my shop and a RTX 3080, and a AMD 5800x is a great pairing.
I found a build like that is it strong to run games at 240fps like apex Overwatch and mw2
It was soooo cheap recently for me couldn't say no and amazed the temps are so great seems I got lucky?
from what ive learned, the ryzen 5k series is very dependent on ram speed and tight latencies. running 3200 speed ram is actually leaving quite a bit of performance on the table.
Where did you learn of this?
@@Mrfunkysheep Linus on WAN show talked about it
Sure. It is made for 4000mhz fast ram.
@@andrejusdoktorovicius2949 So if I want to upgrade my Ryzen 3100 in the future it will be worthless unless I also get faster RAM....man, this sucks ass.
@@Generationalwealth94 it definitively wont be worthless
Curious about the potential with Timing optimization and using ClockTuner!
im in delema right now, in my country the R7 5800x and R9 3900xt are same price 520€, planing to pair it with a radeon 6800xt, will both CPU's have the boost in performance that AMD talked in the conference. any tips?
only 5000x
Wow, if you look at the cinebench single thread test, their single core performance is up something like 80% since generation 1. That's impressive!
Also, I agree this CPU is a bit absurd for pricing considering the competition, but I've got a nice x470 board with a 2700x, so, at least in my case, the choice is obvious. However, I'd wait for the non x model and just OC anyways
Y'all complain to much
@@chriswright8074 How did I, at all, complain? 😂
@@FrankieHiltz same the price is absurd it's perfectly fine y'all expect an amd to release everything on the cheap
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS Well the 5800 already happened but it's OEM
Real Review: Buy whichever comes in stock.
LMFAO LITERALLY
True
Imagine Buying Intel for budget
AMD really Something This Year
Not saying AMDomination is great, but the prices are so suck it intel, reduce your prices.
Pricing dude! 10700k is a lot cheaper than 5800x
@@Ashachi no the prices are good considering the performance. Its that intel likes to jack prices up like crazy when the difference in the performance is 4%-8% better.
Yeah i got a brand new 10700k for $250 lmao. Thanks AMD.
@@Ashachi the i3 10100(F) and the i5 10400(F) are cheaper than Ryzen alternatives.
So I currently have a R5 3600 with an RTX 3070 on a B450 motherboard. Great combo but I notice in newer titles that I am starting to get a slight CPU bottleneck (older titles run perfectly fine). I'm considering on upgrading to a 5000 series CPU to at least eek out a few more years on my build and not have to worry for newer titles (P.S. I have already updated by BIOS to latest which supports 5000 series CPUs). I was thinking 5600X would be suitable, but the 5800X is only $90 AUD more - so is it worth that extra?
It's even cheaper now. Basically the best you can get for your mobo (5900x too but have some concerns about the VRMs of b450 board)
Just got one that was on sale for £200 here in the UK thanks to black friday, looking at the benchmarks for synthetics and gaming it looks like a good jump for a singular generation leap at the price I paid. Im currently on a 3700X with a 3080 Ti.
Finally, some fps per dollar data! This channel alone delivers
That's what I look for most importantly, still waiting on the 5600x, I suspect it will have similar performance to the rest of the 5000 series pack in gaming as it seems their cores is just a clone from each other and gaming is single threaded anyway
@@zer0legend109 hell no, alot of games still want atleast 8 threads, and with games using more and more cores it's not a bad idea to future proof
@@BB-bu7gq well, my prediction was correct and u can go check their video the differences margins is so close in 99% of the games, and for future proof games still have a long way for multi thread usage as the challenges to use them are big, so maybe think about it in ur next upgrade in 3 or 4 years later
That's a flawed method. If someone gives you a junker for free and it manages 1fps then it wins because that's infinite frames per dollar.
Just get the highest performance you can afford.
@@TacticalTushie ur logic is the flawed one, cost-effective is a well known term in medical fields and it doesnt mean to give the cheapest medication nor to give the most expensive one, it means to achieve a balance between a good efficacy medication while maintaining a good price, and the correct example is, if my budget is 500$ which can get me an rtx 3070 with an average 120 fps, I would still get the rtx 3060 ti instead for 400$ and the average fps was 110 for example even if my budget was actually 500$ as I I can save 20% of my money while losing only about 9% of the performance
Geez man, I love the reviews but it sounds like you need a break!
Yep, some minor errors in the narration. Go to bed, Steve!
Bought it, love it, happy as fk with the purchase
same. I dont see a need for a 5900, and the 5600 isnt anywhere close to being as good as the 5800 both in memory clock speed on ram or infinity clock.... nor in actual core clock... my 5800 happily goes past 5ghz on all cores
@@suprafastmafc what gpu do u have bro.
@@JACK-el2gs 1080ti lol. still plenty good for 1440p luckily i had it before the gpu fiasco started
@@suprafastmafc okay I was just wondering because I’m getting the ryzen 7 5800x with the rx 5700 xt. I’m just not sure if they’ll be a good match together.
@@JACK-el2gs they will be. Amd processors work better with amd gpus. Amd processors even work very well with subpar cpus and the 5800x is anything but subpar
Can you please test how memory performance scales with these new cpus
so the 5800x requires higher binned silicone than the 5900x? will that result in better overclocking than the 5900x?
AMD be like, you'll see why 5800x exists in about 5 months when 11gen intel comes out