The Primarchs: Konrad Curze Lore - The Night Haunter (Night Lords) | Warhammer 40,000

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  • @Tiglath-Pileser3
    @Tiglath-Pileser3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    One of the only traitor primarchs I can actually stand.
    I wonder about the dichotomy presented by knowing your own fate. It might make one utterly fearless in battle, knowing that this is not the day that they die. But fear of death often drives us to accomplish what would have otherwise been impossible. Too much fear could make you indecisive, but no fear at all could make you careless. I don't think I would want to follow a commander who had never wrestled with the fear or death.
    I'm a little saddened that some of the best writing for The Lion is in Curze's books. In much the same way that Curze and Corax are different aspects of shadows and fear, Kurze and Jonson are aspects of justice. Both are pragmatic, willing to kill a few to save many. But The Lion's justice is achieved through reason, while Konrad's is achieved through fear. And both brothers do this with minimal influence from emotion.
    I have this odd story bouncing around in the back of my head. One where the assassin failed, and Curze lived. This drives him deeper into madness, as his only rock was the knowledge of his future. Over the millennia, he expects more assassins, but none come. He is finally forced to conclude that his foresight was wrong. That there is a path before him that he can choose, rather than it being an inevitability. Perhaps he never returns to The Emperor's light, but he similarly does not trade his new freedom for servitude to chaos. He becomes a neutral primarch. A great galactic scalpel, painfully cutting cancers out of society.

    • @TheInundation
      @TheInundation 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That is badass head canon

  • @NingenSlayerZamasu
    @NingenSlayerZamasu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    Jay Walkin’?
    That’s a Flayin.

    • @JamesLaserpimpWalsh
      @JamesLaserpimpWalsh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahaha brilliant.

    • @tyguy6296
      @tyguy6296 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "You've been charged with the crime of flay walking"
      "You... you mean Jay walking?"
      "... sure"

    • @sorufa888
      @sorufa888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Overcook chicken? Flayin, undercook chicken? Flayin. It’s the overcook/undercook

  • @jackfrost2978
    @jackfrost2978 4 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    There is a kind of beauty in his double edged psychosis. Konrad wants to be a good guy and to uphold the ideal of a future united humanity. But, his visions always take him to dark potential outcomes. Making him believe, the dark outcomes are absolute. Konrad himself, reinforces his visions by following them. And completing them. Instead of questioning them and trying to defy them, or to try to break the cycle. He keeps bouncing back and forth between trying to seek understanding. In a way where he could find acceptance, and break out of the nightmare of his prophesied future. Only to double back and run away back into the shadows, when salvation is close at hand. Konrads story. Is an amazing tragedy. I really do love his talk with the Emperor. When the Emperor tells him his only mistake was believing the visions where a dark inescapable reality. Instead of a twisted possibility.

    • @fbussier80
      @fbussier80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He is the archetype of how easy it is to become a tyrant while seeking order.

    • @bobloerakker7010
      @bobloerakker7010 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well put! Could not have said it better. He is so tragic, i love that. He could have been the perfect judge..man..

  • @LethargicGM
    @LethargicGM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    In the name of the Nighthaunter and the prophet of the VIII legion, I claim this comment section for the Nightlords!
    AVE DOMINUS NOX!

    • @dziri3330
      @dziri3330 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ave dominus nox.
      Death is nothing compared to vindication.

    • @Marc-hm6bz
      @Marc-hm6bz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      WE HAVE COME FOR YOU ! AVE DOMINUS NOX !

    • @JackError787
      @JackError787 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ave Dominus Nox

    • @terminatorofbaal7853
      @terminatorofbaal7853 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ashes nostromo!!
      By the night of haunter!

    • @joperhop
      @joperhop 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      go cry in the corner criminals!

  • @whoaitstiger
    @whoaitstiger 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    "You are the foulest weakling I have ever seen, Lorgar!"

  • @Uploaded1995
    @Uploaded1995 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Have you noticed the trend of 30k and breaking people's backs on your knee? I can think of at least three significant instances where that is the "finishing move" at the top of my head.

  • @jw7500
    @jw7500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Even though I prefer the story of Angron and Khârn, Conrad Curze allways had a certain air about him. Yes he seems like an edgelord and kind of a whiner, but he did get handed a bad hand of cards just like Angron. The difference is that Conrad had the option to make a choice (just like big E told him at the end), while Angron was completely eroded by the nails at the end. Even him becoming a demon prince was not his choice, but instead a scheme from Lorgar. Conrad might have turned out different if he chose Sanguinious as his mentor and teacher instead of Fulgrim. Not to say that Fulgrim is stupid, but Sanguinious is just more similar to him where his powers are concerned.

    • @emjaaaay
      @emjaaaay 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      J W Corax is more edgelord than Curze, but yes, Curze (later in his life becomes very "edgy" because he has gone batshit)
      But I love Konrad, he's my favorite Primarch.

  • @briharrisWarhmmer40kfan
    @briharrisWarhmmer40kfan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Kurze is the most interesting Primarch by far! Hes the only traitor Primarch that didnt fall to Chaos! Why do people always seem to miss this fact and never talk about it 🤔🤔🤔

    • @jeffmusyoka1876
      @jeffmusyoka1876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He ate people Felix. HE ATE PEOPLE! but I like him still🤗

    • @briharrisWarhmmer40kfan
      @briharrisWarhmmer40kfan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@jeffmusyoka1876 he certainly did my friend and he is awesome 😃 dont wanna spoil the curze primarch book but thers a part wer hes talkin to the 'meat statue' of The Emperor and hes munching on a human heart and gesturing with it like a person would with an apple lol hes hilariously evil lol

    • @jeffmusyoka1876
      @jeffmusyoka1876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@briharrisWarhmmer40kfan dominus nox is crazy 😂

    • @anglocatholick
      @anglocatholick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Petrurabo also didn't fall to Chaos

    • @x2375
      @x2375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about alpharius and omegon?

  • @dvdragon
    @dvdragon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Ain't no laws when Konrad is using those claws.

  • @nelsonhicks5402
    @nelsonhicks5402 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    2v1 like an older brother at a sniper's only halo match😂😂😂

  • @jdtremblay2331
    @jdtremblay2331 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    vampire primarch, got it.

  • @GruwskiTheDogski
    @GruwskiTheDogski 5 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Spartacus, you forgot the whole scene of curze almost carving out his own eyes by the mire sight of the Emperor and the horrors that might befall him, only because of the emperor psychic might did Konrad fall back into sanity once more.
    You also forgot the entire story of which Konrad pleaded to Sanguinius to kill him, for he had seen the moment he turned traitor (Evil).
    Konrad Curze journey is a sad story arc of a Primarch that is pretty much the judge jury and executioner, he believed that history was on his side, that all he had done was for justice and good, the turn point is where he saw himself twisted and nothing more than a murderer, its why he hated his own legion in the end, they had become what he fought against for so long...
    insane murderers and tyrants.
    Curze could see the future sure, however never see the whole story of it, only few moments of what could be.
    You also forgot one major deal that goes for all of the Night Lords in general, they are in fact minor psykers, curze own psychic skills were only matched by Sanguinius.

    • @jackmakila3776
      @jackmakila3776 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He saved a lot of people with his terror tactics he saved entire systems by torturing 1 world compared to other primarchs his kill count was among the lowest

    • @d180jnr
      @d180jnr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      jack makila What if you were the one being tortured? Watching your family members flayed and dismembered slowly in front of you. Would you still think it’s better than military conquest?

    • @jackmakila3776
      @jackmakila3776 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@d180jnr it would be better than being conquered by the world eaters and while I obviously wouldn't like it overall less people would die

    • @youtubevoice1050
      @youtubevoice1050 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      jack makila. His way of ruling through terror didn't work. The moment he was gone, people went back to their old ways. Terror doesn't lead to lasting compliance.

    • @GruwskiTheDogski
      @GruwskiTheDogski 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@youtubevoice1050 No, since he weren't there in person and the elemental of fearmongering the planet faded.
      Hence why he returned to nuke Nostramo to pieces, to prove his point, that all he had done was in vain.
      Although remember, while everyone else was growing up with a mentor or being taught a lesson of humanity, Konrad were on his own all life.
      A lone figure in the dark, self taught.

  • @NemesisMarine01
    @NemesisMarine01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "The wolves go for the throat".
    We rip out their eyes,
    We cut off their hands,
    We cut off their feet
    And we skin what remains!."
    Unknown Night Lord.
    I think this quote completely sums up the Night Lords and what they are, murder and Butchery for the sake of it,
    Sheer and beautiful terror.
    Probably the most underrated of the legions.

    • @worldeater2414
      @worldeater2414 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Talgat Khamit They make House Boltan look tame

  • @jamesgarratt9334
    @jamesgarratt9334 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Well I'm not getting any sleep now that Konrad Curze is mentioned...
    Thanks.

    • @AzureShadow88
      @AzureShadow88 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why? Does he haunt your nights as well?

    • @dziri3330
      @dziri3330 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      **Konrad curze intensifies**

    • @vinnylatoria4478
      @vinnylatoria4478 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fear not! For Sanguinius shall protect you!

  • @arthurdaffos1490
    @arthurdaffos1490 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    We strike from the darkness but only seeks the light...

  • @Lynch2507
    @Lynch2507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So what you're saying is, he really likes the Black Parade

  • @warriorfire8103
    @warriorfire8103 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Holy shit!...I just randomly thought to myself. "I wonder if that ItalianSpartacus guy has made any more of those awesome primarch videos? Probably not they seem like too much to take on" Then here this shows up on the same day I think and decide to check. I'm going to get food because I'm going to enjoy this.

  • @Nyctophora
    @Nyctophora 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That was excellently done! _Ave Dominus Nox_
    I just wanted to add two things: Sheng was the other Night Lord with him during the meeting with Corswain and Alajos; and when the Night Haunter attacked Dorn, he was struck by one of his visions and made that mess of Dorn with his bare hands and teeth while in the grip of the fugue. When he came round, he was distraught (and I daresay Dorn wasn't too happy either). Good to see Sheng getting some air time.
    I think it's up for debate whether the Emperor was actually talking through the flesh-totem or if sanity had left the building, myself, mind you.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      THANK you! i couldn't remember if it was Sheng or not and I don't have my book on me for that one :(

    • @Nyctophora
      @Nyctophora 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@italianspartacus You're welcome! It's great to see thoughtful and lore-ful work on my favourite Primarch and his gene-sons.

  • @wolflordgio6320
    @wolflordgio6320 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    i Wish it Was Corax who Helped Mentored Konrad instead of Fulgrim Just imagine What the two could’ve accomplished together if instead of a rivalry they got along

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Corax wasn't found yet :( if I recall correctly

    • @thinkwithurdipstick
      @thinkwithurdipstick 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      A lot of depressing and edgy poetry I bet

    • @jeffmusyoka1876
      @jeffmusyoka1876 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about Russ

    • @inkedseahear
      @inkedseahear 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jeffmusyoka1876 Russ would throw Curze out in a few weeks, whining to everyone how absolutely depressing he was and how he wouldn't shut up about seeing Russ being dead instead of being alive doing awesome wolf stuff.

    • @inkedseahear
      @inkedseahear 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Corax and Curze both mutually dislike one another, Corax because he didn't want to accept Curze's methods and that he wasn't all different from Curze, Curze always think Corax being the odd hypocrite and thinks it's unfair that the Emperor (he thinks this a lot) didn't give him Corax's powers and his legion.

  • @youtubevoice1050
    @youtubevoice1050 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Why, however, could Curze see the actual future, when Sanguinius (and even the Emperor) always saw multiple possible outcomes? Curze's power was more of a latent one and yet he foresaw the exact outcome independently of variables/ choices.

    • @supernus8684
      @supernus8684 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you ever consider that according to Curze he could see the "real" future? Primarchs might be mighty but their word is hardly any more final then any other in the far future. My theory is the powers of chaos corrupted Curze as they did many other Primarchs. Perhaps just like Perturabo saw the eye of terror in the sky at all times, Konrad Curze got a hint of perceiving the "true" future from the ruinous powers and his own perception of it and compliance to this truth made it true much more so then any "true" power?

  • @Windw00d
    @Windw00d 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow they really like Avenged Sevenfold.

  • @frostyheretic299
    @frostyheretic299 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oh sweet Konrad Curze!,
    Ave Dominus Nox!

  • @matthewmarkle7487
    @matthewmarkle7487 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dollar menu at Arbys!!!! Lol I know it's scary cause I work there hahahah

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh fuck my ass yeah it is hahaha

    • @thinkwithurdipstick
      @thinkwithurdipstick 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fuckin quality reuben though. I don’t even care what goes into it that shit is tasty

  • @flyingdutchman9969
    @flyingdutchman9969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great vid. Throughout the video Curze started to remind me of some of the heroes in mythology. Not because of his actions (although plenty of heroes from myth could be brutal), but because he is both driven and imprisoned by Fate. Makes a certain speech near the end even more powerful.

  • @N7SpecterElite
    @N7SpecterElite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Konrad "It's not a phase dad" Curze. Primarch of the Edgelords Legion

  • @lordphoenix4733
    @lordphoenix4733 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Awesome lore vid sparty! As a son of Dorn I wanna believe he let Konrad attack him so he could see what has become of his brother but I know Konrad probably did kick his ass. Looking forward to the next tale in your lore vids
    Edit: also congrats on the 50k subs sparty! keep up the great work my dude!

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks my brother. Always happy to see your comments crop up here and there :)
      Yaaaa Dorn is a bad ass, but Curze is violently insane hahaha

    • @lordphoenix4733
      @lordphoenix4733 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ItalianSpartacus I do find it interesting that the first loyal primarch to greet Konrad was Dorn and if I remember correctly as well, Dorn was the also the first primarch to fight Conrad. I like to believe that was some nice writing that showed this as like a gateway or bridge in kondrads character development. Sorry if that doesn’t make any sense. Also no problem man, my mind is quite busy as of late but I try to make some time to watch your vids and to try to pop into streams

  • @anglocatholick
    @anglocatholick 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Do Fulrgim

  • @binliu9429
    @binliu9429 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Opens computer, about to do work, see notification... f***k work.

  • @georgesoha4725
    @georgesoha4725 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The one dislike was Vulcan... or the lion... or Magnus.... or Corvus...damn a lot of people hate Curze lol

    • @inkedseahear
      @inkedseahear 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He didn't like them back anyway like Lorgar was one disliked by others but he tried his ignorant best, Konrad just straight dislike them.

  • @morathithephoenixqueen1052
    @morathithephoenixqueen1052 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm starting to think that the Emperor is not only most arrogant and hypocritical creature in WH universe but also one of most stupid. Guy name Angron? He'll do. Mortarion? Also fine. That really weird guy that lives in his mother basement, owns enormous collection of animated pornography, gives you a strange look in a subway and makes space mongolian with a hobbies like mutilating himself or headhunting and his viking/werewolf friend with habit of HEAVY drinking and solving everything by his fists look like really reasonable men? Let's give him an army. Nothing can go wrong with that. Nothing at all. Nothing... At... All...

  • @spartana1116
    @spartana1116 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like how GW added abit of hades in konrad since both were pitt rith into a planets crust abd had to craw their way to the surface

  • @indrickboreale7381
    @indrickboreale7381 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Whea are my multiple, simultaneous, and devastating defensive deep strikes?

  • @whiskeyjack9646
    @whiskeyjack9646 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Emperor speaking from the totem pole: "I forgive you my son, but you made one mistake... you're a Batman-wannabe and you suck ballz, LOL! I'm out, edge-bitch!"
    Konrad Curze: "MOTHERFU-"
    *Credits Role*

  • @TheRandomNightLord
    @TheRandomNightLord 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Konrad Curze has always been my favorite Primarch his story is pure tragedy

  • @pagangodx6890
    @pagangodx6890 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Emperor: And they shall know no fear
    Konrad Kurze: I AM fear

  • @emila6
    @emila6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn i love these 40k videos so much, its been years since i read my lore but its so awesome to experience these videos with dow2 ost!!

  • @romeortiz3996
    @romeortiz3996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This made me cry a bit...the most tragic story in wh40k

    • @emila6
      @emila6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      2nd to magnus the red's

    • @alphakodiak16
      @alphakodiak16 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, I think Angron has him beat

    • @emila6
      @emila6 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alphakodiak16 yea angron is equally as sad

    • @mindofthecosmos9674
      @mindofthecosmos9674 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In most cases of the story it's mostly the emperor's fault for not having any foresight to the events that transpire from his actions of any negative consequences.

  • @ewanmorreau4927
    @ewanmorreau4927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude, this stuff is so good! keep up the work my friend:)

  • @justinrisen1929
    @justinrisen1929 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Way late to comment but this was amazing!!! I share your favorites in Primarchs although reversed. BA and Sanguinius for all time but Nighthaunter and the NL are my second fav and always will be.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks so much for watching brother :) I have a Sanguinius video somewhere in thr Playlist!

  • @flibbernodgets7018
    @flibbernodgets7018 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Mentioning the gestation pod and how he's "batman" makes me wonder if anyone has written fan-fiction where a Primarch lands in the Kents' backyard and gets raised instead of Superman.

  • @chrispilkington8662
    @chrispilkington8662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I quite like the theory that all the Primarchs were intended to fill a role post crusade: Guillman the statesman, Johnson the general, Magnus the magus/throneholder etc with Kurze being the Judge except due to upbringing his sense of justice was warped (possibly by the chaos gods manipulating the visions). also remember seeing a theory that the stone in his crown was an Eldar soulstone, like the idea that protected from the gods he might have returned to a semblance of sanity. like the idea in the current story of one of the traitors returning and by dint of not being demons that's Kurze or Alpharius (with the three headed hydra theory that like the symbol of the legion the Primarch had three heads not just two)

  • @user-qz6zo4qn6u
    @user-qz6zo4qn6u 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been waiting for this bad boy.

  • @borjinator
    @borjinator 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Makes me think of the scene from step brothers. “My name is night haunter”

  • @Brochnick
    @Brochnick 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not sure i can subscribe to the idea that he achieved redemption, or even vindication, through his final act of walking forward to accept his death. Seems, to me, more like someone seeking comfort that they were right, instead of being the architect of their own misery. Have to give it more thought...
    To anybody reading: thoughts?

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that's the rub, ya know? He DIDN'T achieve redemption. In fact he knew he didn't, I'd say that his death was the absolution and ultimate vindication that he realized he deserved. He was all about controlling through fear and punishing absolutely. At the end of the day, he ended up on the side that gets punished. That's the sort of twisted irony. Every step he took, he thought was right, but lead to what was wrong.
      That's the big thing with Sanguinius. He accepted it while Curze railed against it. It terrified him that Sanguinius, when given the chance to change his fate, he chose note to.
      Curze always looked at his gift as this piercing of the veil.. Able to see what's coming and it created a sort of jaded personality. Sanguinius always dreaded it, it felt like.. Or at least harbored reverence for his visions. When they're walking on that planet, Curze is FREAKING out because everything there is "removed from fate."
      So I think you're right, he did seek comfort, but more in being the architect of his own misery.
      I have some problems with the non Aaron Dembski Bowden version of Curze a lot of other authors take. ADB's interpretation was a bit more listless and lost in reverie, stuck in the past and barely present. I enjoyed that more than the brutally insane, hissy fit Curze we often get

  • @davidjones4364
    @davidjones4364 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    17:25 I like how as soon as the work FOUNDATION is mentioned theres a picture of Dorn

  • @solortus
    @solortus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    36:30 I feel sorry for Konrad. Asking someone where your friend is only to be reminded that he died years ago - that's so heart breaking.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's one of my favorite parts because it IS so tragic.. Easily the best primarch haha

  • @dontang2090
    @dontang2090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9/18 primarchs done.
    Next loyal: ferrus mannus
    Next traitor: fulgrim
    Oh wait Alpharius 😎

  • @ForwardKinematics
    @ForwardKinematics 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don't normally comment anymore, but Italian Spartacus, you do work man! keep it up sir.

  • @Adrian_Zamora98
    @Adrian_Zamora98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Alright whats with every warhammer youtuber putting out Konrad Curze videos right now

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      IT'S SPOOKY!!! Also, his book dropped abiut a month or two ago, so we all probably just finished reading it

    • @Adrian_Zamora98
      @Adrian_Zamora98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@italianspartacus ah makes sense. Doesn't matter to me though cause Konrad is my favorite traitor primarch

  • @tomgauntley
    @tomgauntley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That actually gave me the feels R.I.P Konrad

  • @garrettsheaffer9799
    @garrettsheaffer9799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Maybe I'm overthinking things but everything about this story sounds like "Hearts of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad. The central antagonist is a man named Kurz who goes off the deep end and is brought down by an agent of the British Empire. In the seventies a movie called "Apocalypse Now" was directed by Francis Ford Coppola. The story is an adaptation of Conrad's novel only set in the Viet Nam War. In the end of the film colonel Kurtz was assassinated by a lone soldier for crimes against humanity.
    I'm just saying. Has anyone else seen the parrallels?

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's supposed to be! :) Konrad Curze is an anagram of Conrad and Kurz. You nailed it my dude! I didn't talk about it in the video because I wanted to keep things on point, but I definitely should have brought that up. You're also spot on about Apocalypse Now! I remember watching it in literature class after reading Hearts of Darkness for that exact reason

    • @garrettsheaffer9799
      @garrettsheaffer9799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@italianspartacus I fucking knew it. I read "Hearts of Darkness" in Iraq and when I came home my dad and one of his Nam buddies explained the parallels between the two stories. I studied film and creative writing at my alma mater soon enough and it was fun blowing the 40K cat's mind with my supposed revelation.
      Lo and behold GW pulls a sneaky one on us but I "ain't no jive ass turkey" as my dad and his friends would say.
      This is why I love 40K. They really keep you on your toes in a literal sense.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's a lot of really great parallels in 40k. The older Lore had this amazing background to it that was steeped in our literature and mythology. Vulkan doing the trials of Hercules. Russ with Odin.
      Even looking at the tragedy of Magnus and his fall. It's all so awesome. The Lore for this was written by what would be children of that Era, Vietnam that is - albeit, it's written by the British, but the effect that Vietnam had on so many other forms of media is pretty crazy.. Especially music: Carry on my wayward son by Kansas, all about Nam.
      Thanks for serving by the way. My brother retired three years back from the Navy - he was a Hawkeye pilot. Service runs in the family! I just make nerdy videos Hahah

    • @garrettsheaffer9799
      @garrettsheaffer9799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@italianspartacus also the Ultra Marines are an amalgamation of the Roman's and Camelot. It's funny, when I explain Ultramar people think of an Aryan facist society based on perfection.
      They're not wrong as everything that has to do with the Empire of Man is wrong.
      One would not be incorrect in thinking that giving up to the ruinous powers might be liberating but the eventual cost is even more disgusting and mortifying.
      I just stick with my boys Vulcan and the great Khan!
      Flawed though they may be they actually embody what's left of humanity's nobler traits. Several members of the guard are no differwnt.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The khan is probably one of my more favorite of the recent Lore additions to the primarchs. I enjoy his Lore that is heavily hunnic/turkic tribesmen against the byzantines or really any established imperial power of the time. The enigmatic role he plays as well is just so damn good

  • @tunguskalumberjack9987
    @tunguskalumberjack9987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And- Holy shit, my man- Congratulations on 50,000 subscribers! That’s huge- and you totally deserve it! Your channel is great- you’re funny, your lore videos are excellently written, you’re accessible to your viewers- you’re just a really good guy with a great channel, and I’m proud to be a long time subscriber and honored to consider you a friend. Imagine that I’m holding an overflowing tankard of some Fenrisian mead- here’s to you, my brother! And I can’t wait to repeat this toast again when you hit 100,000!

  • @bowmando4217
    @bowmando4217 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should do a video on Corvus Corax, since he's so similar to Curze but also different in his approach to things.

  • @Pleksilasi
    @Pleksilasi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great videos and a great series. I personally think that you were dead on with the balance between rabbit holing every single interaction and going full broad strokes on his story. That's not an easy feat. You did give us enough intel so that we know enough to create opinions about the Night lords and Kurze but you left enough out so that the video isn't 8 hours long AND so that we can actually get somethin out of the books. Thanks man, keep 'em coming!

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much man, this is an awesome compliment! :)

  • @ARC1701A
    @ARC1701A 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The dollar menu at Arby's. The notion of exes long past. I'm dead.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahah I don't even remember saying that

  • @NemFX
    @NemFX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Night Haunter is honestly one of the best characters of all of 40k.

  • @saheterabakutisha1476
    @saheterabakutisha1476 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Finally, I can die now.

  • @Daimon-X
    @Daimon-X 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "I am a Primarch,’ ‘I am the most cursed of the Emperor’s cursed sons.’ - Korad Curze
    "Fear is the greatest of all weapons. Fear will cow a world when guns will not. We spill blood to save blood."
    "Terror is a clean blade. Its cut disarms opponents without doing them harm. Terror is the friend of compliance."
    "‘The few must die in pain so the many can live in peace. Fear is the road to civilization. It is paved with bone and washed with blood, but the destination forgives the sin of the journey." - Night Lords Legionary Ashmenkai Vor, teachings of the "Night Hunter"
    "‘The ends justify the means." - Konrad Curze
    Corax vs Konrad, It was a draw. Curze never beat Corvus. Ravenlord withdraw, he was not overpowered by Curze. He fought to saves he's sons.

    • @youtubevoice1050
      @youtubevoice1050 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      And then Curze's own planet proved him wrong.

    • @bluebuda8170
      @bluebuda8170 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was hoping somebody else would say something about that. Corax have been fighting all day & Kurse was fresh

    • @thinkwithurdipstick
      @thinkwithurdipstick 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow with quotes this emo and gay you’d think they were from Corvus

    • @inkedseahear
      @inkedseahear 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bluebuda8170 Wasn't Corvus slashing Lorgar a new religion when Curze came?

    • @bluebuda8170
      @bluebuda8170 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@inkedseahear ? Religion?

  • @dekaw9138
    @dekaw9138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A Primarch who laughs is a Primarch who always wins

  • @frostyheretic299
    @frostyheretic299 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hold on here, the end comment made me think for a moment Ave Dominus nox stands for "We have come for you" in high Gothic right?
    Or was I wrong all these years?

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hehe you are indeed wrong I'm afraid! Ave Dominus Nox means Hail the lord of the night :) Ave is Hail in Latin, Nox is night and Dominus is lord.. It SHOULD be Ave Domini Nox, but high Gothic is GWs Latin Lite Heheh

    • @nathanielrobinson6322
      @nathanielrobinson6322 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@italianspartacus It should be Ave Domine Noctis if we're going with Latin.
      Domine is dominus in the vocative singular case (used when addressing someone/something) and noctis is the genitive singular of nox (possessive case).

    • @frostyheretic299
      @frostyheretic299 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@italianspartacus Ah ty For the info!,
      I shall go repent now for being wrong all that time

    • @thinkwithurdipstick
      @thinkwithurdipstick 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nathaniel Robinson why vocative? It’s not addressing “the lord” but its rather more of a command to others that they should hail him. The sentence reads “(you) hail the lord of the night” where ‘you’ is some unspecified entity. In that case lord would either take nominative if you consider it the subject or accusative if it’s considered the direct object of ave. Idk my sleep deprived brain is short circuiting

    • @nathanielrobinson6322
      @nathanielrobinson6322 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thinkwithurdipstick It's vocative because that's the case for when a noun is the object that speech is addressed to.
      Whilst Ave is technically the second person singular imperative of aveo, in usage it was just a formal expression of greetings - Hail etc.
      I have admittedly always read the phrase as a recognition of Curze: "Hail the Night Lord". In the same way as you sometimes get when people call on a Muse or a deity - the entity doesn't have to be present to be called out to.
      I don't think that it is a demand that others hail him because if it was it would use the second person plural imperative Avete. As well as being Hail [to] the Lord of Night. Which would mean lord would be in the dative case. This would be Avete Domino Noctis.
      Additionally, lord can't take the nominative because the lord isn't doing anything in the phrase and can't be accusative because nothing in the phrase is being done to him. He's only the object of direct speech which is what the vocative case is for.
      If we're going with your reading of the phrase it could be dative. But I do think that's less likely because there are several differences.
      But it must be said that GW doesn't care that much about Latin accuracy and your interpretation of the meaning of the phrase is just as valid.
      So sticking strictly to Latin it should either be "Ave Domine Noctis" or "Ave/Avete Domino Noctis" - though I think avete makes more sense.
      Apologies for the mammoth reply, but I didn't want to fob you off with incomplete reasoning. And I want to reiterate that I'm talking solely about the Latin here - your interpretation of the 40k is as valid as mine.

  • @chadfreakinL
    @chadfreakinL 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congrats on 50k! awesome work as always

  • @attemptedunkindness3632
    @attemptedunkindness3632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "He wins his fight against Corvus Corax" Wait, what fight? I mean, he stopped Lorgar's murder, but that wasn't a fight.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean it was clearly a back and forth of blows in the book. It's a little tussle as it were!

    • @attemptedunkindness3632
      @attemptedunkindness3632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@italianspartacus As a fan of both Primarchs I'd really like some source or insight regarding that tussle, you have Kurze stopping Corax's killing blow and telling Corax "Look into my eyes and see your death" (The First Heretic) which was about the extent of that but that pales in comparison to when Kurze was snuck up on by Corax and even conceded "if they struck, we would be dead" (KC: The Night Haunter) and in the very same book Konrad admitted Corvus's superiority at his own self-imposed role. And of course there was that time Corax got snippy with Robute for Robute even making a comparison between the two(CC: Lord of Shadows). I'd love to have seen a fight between the two, but the only "fight" he won with Corax was to cringe him away from being a skin-wearing monster.

  • @st1mp0
    @st1mp0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    another great video
    what background music are you using. it sounds so familiar!

  • @chrismushy3175
    @chrismushy3175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do a Corvus Corax vid!

  • @AIN1981
    @AIN1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool lore video! Thanks

  • @HalfBreedMix
    @HalfBreedMix 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a pre-Rubric Tzeentchian sorcerer on the left @ 35:49 ? That staff's head @ 36:24,,,,,,,,,,hummm?

  • @tunguskalumberjack9987
    @tunguskalumberjack9987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All right, my brother! A fantastic job- I have been eagerly awaiting this one Primarch video, as I know how highly you hold him in esteem. And you didn’t disappoint! I actually learned a lot of lore that I was unfamiliar with- and I really appreciated how you handled the way Curze viewed Corax- instead of just taking the easy Night Lords fan way out with, “yeah, but Curze was just better”- I didn’t expect any less from you, and you stayed true to the lore, and the task of a remembrancer. I’m going to watch it again, and give you some more impressions about it- but just to quickly get this to you- awesome job. Really- one of your best, and you know that I love your videos. Talk to you soon, man- Ave Dominus Nox.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dude thank you so much!! I SAW YOUR COMMENT ON DARREN LATHAM'S TH-cam! His channel is amazing. Can't wait to see your follow up comment brother. When you do, make a new one don't reply here, it'll be hard to see it after a few days! :D always look forward to your comments man

    • @tunguskalumberjack9987
      @tunguskalumberjack9987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ItalianSpartacus haha! Awesome! You bet, brother- I’ll get it to you via a newer video or something- keep up the kickass goodness 👍🏻. I’ve got a pretty cool idea that I’m about to work on & see if I can do it- don’t wanna spoil it but think you’d dig it! I will 100% send it on if it’s any good- and I’ll be checking out all of your other vids- surpringly, sometimes I’m just more in the mood for WHFantasy- the Old World still lives in my heart ❤️, and I can even enjoy a little (very little) AOS here and there- all right- next time, brother !

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm thinking if buying some idoneth deepkin and getting into that rabbit hole

    • @tunguskalumberjack9987
      @tunguskalumberjack9987 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ItalianSpartacus oh wow, man- I really like some of the models from that range- and some of them, not so much! But the Namarti Reavers are pretty cool looking- and that octopus with the knife? Haha- that may be just my favorite thing ever! “Watch out for that octopus- he’s got a knife!” (I know it’s called an ochtar , but it’s an octopus to me). Let me know how they come out-

  • @mrrey3481
    @mrrey3481 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ahh, that was a good, a juicy one. Thank you, bratan. I enjoyed if a lot

  • @deadeyed373
    @deadeyed373 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing video as always. Keep them coming!

  • @song9418
    @song9418 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Laughed so fucking hard when you said the dollar menu at Arby’s

  • @LabrnMystic
    @LabrnMystic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe they hoped his sense of justice would make him fight the traitors rather than join them.

  • @johnshuart7414
    @johnshuart7414 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Moar! I love this play list, it's been my background for work this entire week

  • @niklashall5969
    @niklashall5969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hot damn I love your background music, it swells my heart with legionary pride and brings about proclamations of BRUTHA

  • @Pathfinfer11
    @Pathfinfer11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Night Haunter or as I call Edward Murder Hands.

  • @jasonrundell3328
    @jasonrundell3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If they ever make a live action movie about Konrad Curze, Shang 100 percent needs to be played by Michael Rooker.

  • @mindofthecosmos9674
    @mindofthecosmos9674 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't it make alot more sense for kurze not kill innocent civilians, & only butcher military and political member of the enemies he fought against during his days of serving the imperium. Regardless his fear tactics still would have allowed him the conquer planets without killing their citizens, plus it was pretty dumb of him to side with chaos instead of just going back to ruling the territory's him and his legions took. But in most cases for the legions corruption, it was also the emperor's fault for taking konrad kurze away from nostramo without leaving a legion or successor of konrad kurze to prevent it from falling back to its original corrupt state.

  • @Dragonlord7012
    @Dragonlord7012 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man how pissed would Curze of been if the assassin decided to not kill him, completely fucking his entire worldview.

  • @blitzme99
    @blitzme99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do you think he's really dead?

  • @vinnylatoria4478
    @vinnylatoria4478 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jesus H. Christ, imagine being in the palace then a bunch of people in full armor come marching up to you. Holy shit that would be terrifying.

  • @davidgillard4995
    @davidgillard4995 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey mate. Are you going to finish the Primach series?

  • @garlanhutcherson738
    @garlanhutcherson738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey just got into your videos, was wondering if you were gonna finish your primarch series? Roboute guillman/ fulgrim are ones I want to see.
    Really enjoy the videos

  • @takeovermars
    @takeovermars 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any chance you could do Fulgrim next? If you're still doing these of course

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been promising The Great Khan all year! I really gotta do that one next

    • @takeovermars
      @takeovermars 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@italianspartacus thats fair and a nice contrast to the best Primarch Fulgrim!

  • @chrisbennett6236
    @chrisbennett6236 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still don't understand why people compare Curze to Batman. Their methods are very different, not to mention the way they think and act.

  • @jonhahn6557
    @jonhahn6557 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have so many questions about the timeline. I think they gave him such a prominent role in the Horus heresy because of how popular the night Lords are because a lot of this doesn't make much sense or I need to have explain to me

  • @benkeller6027
    @benkeller6027 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think Konrad would willingly have his life destroyed at the hands of an Imperial assassin, even if he truly wished for an easy end, he would not stay his hand in revenge. Instead he wished to cease existing in his enemies and his brothers eyes and mind and probably sought solitude over leading an endless war with no end. Konrad wanted no responsibility in the end and just wanted to escape.

  • @iam-mp1pe
    @iam-mp1pe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Space", is a fiction of itself.

  • @deathray3909
    @deathray3909 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always pronounced Macragge, like Mack-rij phonetically.

  • @lorgaraurelian3392
    @lorgaraurelian3392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven't ever been a big fan of these guys but your videos on them have changed my mind on them, I have always thought of them as generic bad guys but there is so much more to them. I love a good tragedy and these guys are nothing if not tragic.
    Anyway, I'm glad I found your channel.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that's one of the best things someone can say to me - that i enlightened them on their opinion of a faction. i was VERY much the same way, "eh these guys just have lightning on their armor." The Night Lords trilogy should be required reading in school!! hahahah

  • @stipesango806
    @stipesango806 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful as always

  • @christophersnowball1086
    @christophersnowball1086 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish you would make more of these kind of videos. Gets be pumped listening to the music and hearing about these bad ass primarchs. Phillip Tula

  • @Jelle1880
    @Jelle1880 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has convinced me to repaint my Chaos Space Marines into Night Lords. They might not be that viable on the table top but god damn if they aren't the coolest Chaos legion.

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually!! They got much better. Look up the night lord smash captain.. It's sick. You dual wield chainswords hahahaah

  • @JamesLaserpimpWalsh
    @JamesLaserpimpWalsh ปีที่แล้ว

    Exitus acta probat. This is your best primarch vid. Hands down baby.

  • @thenighthaunter5026
    @thenighthaunter5026 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sev... Sev where are you!?

  • @whiskeyjack9646
    @whiskeyjack9646 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congrats on 50,000 subs, man! Well-deserved!

    • @italianspartacus
      @italianspartacus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks big Whiskey J!! You've been there since the beginning brother

    • @whiskeyjack9646
      @whiskeyjack9646 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@italianspartacus and I hope to be there for 100,000 subs too

  • @bullroarer-took
    @bullroarer-took 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Effigies of terror include the dollar menu at Arby's. Earned a sub

  • @darkhighwayman1757
    @darkhighwayman1757 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    what would be more horrible ...captured by the Night lords or the Iron warriors

  • @TrippyTheShroom
    @TrippyTheShroom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been waiting on this one!

  • @joshbeckmann3613
    @joshbeckmann3613 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bat man

  • @vagabondsoul1286
    @vagabondsoul1286 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AVE DOMINUS NOX

  • @whoaitstiger
    @whoaitstiger 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    29:04 "The _three_ fought in a wild duel"
    Ummm...