The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King Reaction Part 1
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"He wasn't responding when getting stabbed" Oh, sweet summer child, did you not hear the story of Christopher Lee (Saruman) yet? He was a soldier (and later special forces) and spy in WW2, spoke multiple languages and there was a moment when Peter Jackson (Director) wanted Lee to act like being stabbed. The generic move would be to scream in pain, loud. But Lee just asked Jackson: "Do you know what sound a person being stabbed in the back makes? Because I do." (He later described it something like: There can't be a scream, because the air is exiting the lungs so there is nothing left so scream with)
That was the moment Jackson went quiet and let Lee do his thing.
Such a legend. 👌
Great reaction, can't wait for part 2! 😊
It felt much more real like this, I don't know why so many directors just like loud screams... I am thinking for example in George Lucas and his "noooo" which screwed not one but two scenes at least. When it comes with great acting, silence can be so much more powerful.
There is also a legend that Cristopher Lee's days when he was working as a spy were the inspiration for Ian Fleming's James Bond. Ian Fleming was Cristopher Lee's cousin.
After watching the Making Of videos that accompany the DVDs, it is clear that the only person in the entire production who REALLY understood Tolkien's story was Christopher Lee.
@@johnwalters1341 It’s so awesome to know that he actually met JRR Tolkien.
Came to the comment section for this comment. 😏
Your suspicion of Gandalf is hilarious 😂 Dumbledor must’ve really messed with your heads!
I'm glad it's amusing to you, because it's stopped being funny to me and is now driving me nuts! 😄 I may have yelled at them at one point to stop it. Because that's so helpful of me.
I was suspicious of Gandalf the first time I watched Fellowship so I get it. If you haven't read the stories (in the book) it's easy to do. 😊
@@SK-bw2cv and that's the difference - read the books!
@@NikoStark1shes failed to impress. There’s countless comments praising her intellect and idk wtf they are on about
@@NikoStark1she didn’t think he was bad, she felt he was keeping things from the others (which he was) and that made her suspicious. not hard to fathom
The mission is almost completely hopeless and Gandalf knows this. It’s like 99.99% doomed to fail. That’s why Gandalf be stressed AF.
On point. And its especially doom for the elves, because it doesnt matter how it ends there time in middle earth is basically done. If we destroy the ring, the power of the elvens rings will also bestroyed. He we dont destroy the ringSauron will certainly claim the ring and render the elves powerless to use their rings ,withouy falling to sauron.
So there is an air of "Doom" right through out; Real sacrifices.
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In the books, Sauron attacked about every kingdom of dwarves, elves, and men at the same time. You would assume that Gondor was the main target, but you didn't know for sure. Even Gandalf wasn't sure. That's why Pippin looking in the Palantir was fortuitous because he saw a glimpse of Sauron's mind and plan that helped solidify Galndalf's strategy.
Canonically sauron launched an army to attack lothlorien, and the woodland realm of thranduil, and also Erebor the dwarf kingdom. Lothlorien was attacked 3 times actually. Erebor almost fell but men of dale and dwarves hid in the mountain for days until the ring was destroyed. The attacks took place the same time as the battle of pelenor fields.
That's why I appreciated the campaign of BFME2 if you've ever played it. It's an RTS where you defend the Grey havens, Erebor, attack Angmar, etc.
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Fans are remaking that entire game from scratch as a mod, in a new engine; look up “BFME Reforged” some time ;)
Gondorians/Denethor have a point in their despair though in both the book and movie narrative, because while they were fighting the forces of Sauron for decades over the ruins of Osgiliath and Ithilien everybody else was just chilling in peaceful complacency (apart from maybe the Mirkwood elves, and obviously the poor Company of Balin in Moria) and leaving them to their own devices. So when the hammer comes down on Gondor and still nobody appears to be coming that is when Denethor cracks and the Gondorians really think that it is the last dance, no alliance is coming to save their asses. It’s why I find Theoden’s line about “where was Gondor when the Westfold fell” hilarious (don’t remember if it was in the books or not), because Rohan was chilling with literally no issues for decades while Gondor was struggling, and only suffered because of their own complacency and lack of vigilance. Meanwhile Denethor has been having a battle of wills with Sauron himself through the Palantir for years and had been leading a nation at war, alone and unaided.
The thing about Frodo and Smeagol, is that Frodo needs to "know" that Smeagol can be fully redeemed. If Smeagol can be redeemed (after 500 years of bondage to the Ring) then Frodo can also resist the Ring's pernicious influence, and/or be also redeemed if he falls. This is why Frodo gives Smeagol so many chances.
The inspiration for Hobbits-
During JRR Tolkien’s service in WW1, the there were enlisted assistants and butlers to the corps of combat messengers that Tolkien was assigned to. He described them as seemingly small and of little of note in the War, but in reality their commitment and noble character in the face of death and horror left a spiritual impression on him. Thus, the hobbits.
Gandalf is the only wizard who accomplished his task to inspire the races of Middle Earth to defy Sauron. He knew the palantir was a dangerous tool so he took it from Pippin. Gandalf has insight but he does not see all ends.
We do not know to what extent the Blue Wizards made a difference in the east. For all we know Sauron would have mustered the other half of the globe and brought innumerable hordes if it weren’t for them.
It can't be any more epic than the last one.
All of us that have seen it already:👁️👁️
Hehe... we Just wait to pick up their jaws off the floor😊
You: it can't be more epic than the last one.
ROTK: Hold my beer.
Fun fact: The face of the leader of the Orcs (Gothmog) is deliberately made to look like Harvey Weinstein. Peter Jackson was so pissed off and disgusted by Harvey Weinstein that he decided to make the bad guy look like him 😂
ARE YOU SRS OMFG
Is there any evidence of Peter saying that? Or is just rumor?
art imitates life
@@qcrew2938 I don't think it had anything to do with the metoo movement, it was more to do with Harvey trying to screw them out of the ownership of the movies iirc.
@@boredflowerTrue Art is the expression of intelligence from those who fight censorship and therefore power.
Gandalf doesn’t know all that’s happening, he’s just wise and has great intuition. The entire reason hobbits are involved is that long ago Gandalf felt he had to get to know the hobbits when none of the other great people paid them any attention. He didn’t know why, he just had an intuition that he needed to ally with hobbits. Then Bilbo comes along and Gandalf has this intuition that he needed to involve Bilbo in an adventure - which led to the finding of the ring, and the eventual involvement of the 4 young hobbits in fighting Sauron.
That's part of it. Gandalf actually knows stuff from the future, he was there during the song of the Ainur, when they sang the creation and world history. Thing are not exactly like in the song and he probably has some difficulties trying to remember the details, he probably only remembers most of the stuff when it's gonna come soon.
But in the books, it's obvious that Gandalf knows stuff about the future, he knew for example that Saruman would bring problems and that the hobbits would have to fight to get the shire back (not spoilers for the movie).
The maia like him don't know everything but they know stuff about the future, no doubt about that.
@@Alfonso88279 but none saw all in the song only what eru allowed... for example not even manwe knows the fates of arda after the age of man and the waining of elves... and noticed mangos knows the fate of men after the time of waiting in his halls
@@Alfonso88279 well I disagree, I think you’re misinterpreting things. He’s displaying wisdom, good judgement, and natural foresight when he anticipates potential events. I don’t think you can make any assumptions at all about his participation in the Music of the Ainur … besides, he went through some process of amnesia when sent to Middle Earth (“…in the West that is forgotten.”)
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@@Big_Tex That's completely hypothetical. The "amnesia" is probably just time. I didn't even stated my opinion, the fact that he knows some things about the future is a fact in the books at least. He doesn't know everything, but 100% a fact he knows some things.
In the beginning sequence, the ring spent 3000 years without contact with anyone, so it was extremely power hungry. It was Sméagol’s birthday and the innocent desire for birthday presents was twisted by the super hungry ring almost instantly into the need for the ring. It drove Smeagol to kill his cousin for it, when Deagol refused to give it to him for his birthday. The ring then fed on the energy of the murder and on Smeagol, himself for 500 years. 💕🇨🇦
Smegol desire for the ring was not innocently about a birthday present because in the book degol replies I brought you a birthday present above what I could afford
@@howardmarx2001 True, thanks for the reminder. I have always felt a comparison between these two and Merry and Pippin, and what would have happened should one of them ever get to hold the ring. They loved each other, but would their mischievousness be turned inward and turned rotten against them. I believe Tolkien also made the comparison between the two sets of friends. Food for thought. Great to meet another fan. 🙏💕
Eowyns dream is not foreshadwing... but a memory from the past: the fall of Numenor.
In the book it was Faramir that had the dream. In both cases the dream, while certainly alluding to Numenor, is also directly taken from Tolkien's own experiences as he had the same recurring nightmare that clearly affected him. This is one of the things that signifies Faramir's status as the character whom Tolkien most saw himself in.
@@MrZAP17 Is that why he was so unrealistically perfect in the books?
@@MegaMilenche More or less. Tolkien stated that Faramir was used to voice his own opinion on the Ring, among other things.
@@MrZAP17 Hmm, not sure I like perfect Faramir, but that's just me :D
And actually, it is Faramir’s dream.
“Pippen you have a beautiful voice. I’m sorry for booing you” was so unexpected but so funny for some reason 😂
They didn't say hobbits were forbidden from having the ring, just that it was a very, very unlikely and surprising thing to happen. Because in the grand scheme of things, hobbits are mostly inconsequential, just doing their own thing and not participating in the power struggles of the Big Folk. Middle-Earth history was mostly about men, dwarves and elves building great kingdoms and then the fall of said kingdoms, so it was really unexpected that the One Ring, basically the most important object that in and of itself could alter the course of history, would end up at a race known for their lack of ambition towards power.
Gandalf didn't want Pippen to look at the Palantir (crystal ball) because that was how Saruman communicated with Sauron. Gandalf questioned Sarumon's use of the ball before, because he said we don't know who else is watching. Well, after it was discovered that Sarumon had turned, it was pretty obvious who was watching...Sauron. It is a powerful crystal ball that can look into yourself, so if Pippen was to look into it, someone as powerful as Sauron would be able to get information from him. He gave Pippen the piercing look after he picked it up from the water because, I presume, he wanted Pippen to know that it is off limits. As someone has stated before, Gandalf knows something about the future, but not absolutes. He doesn't know which side will win. He also doesn't want to give so much information that everyone feels overwhelmed and hopeless. As he said, there never was really that much hope. But, he can't have them hopeless because if they fail the mission, the entire world falls into darkness. Gandalf is also not a "secret weapon" to be used like any other weapon. He is an angel-like figure whose purpose is to help and guide people. He can't win the war for them, he can only help them win the war for themselves.
Yup. Prettty much.
And it is rumoured Denethor had one too and that was why he became so corrupted and wanted the ring so badly. He was in Sauron’s service too
@@paranoidandroid4956Denethor wasn't in saurons service, he was hoodwinked by Sauron into believing the cause hopeless. Sauron shows him the might of mordor and it makes him go mad with despair. Similar to how Theoden is weakened by sarumans influence through Grima.
Pippin looking in the palantir is irresponsible, but it turns out to be a good thing. It makes Sauron think Saruman has the hobbit at Isengard. So he sends the Nazgul towards Isengard, thus breaking their engagement with Faramir's forces at Osgiliath.
Aragorn also looks in to the orb, and frightens Sauron into acting in a hurry.
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In the book Denethor is a different character entirely.
He is not corrupted, and he succeeds in wresting control of his Palantir from Sauron and bending it to his will, because in the end the Palantir are the birthright of the Dunedain and Denethor is extremely strong willed and proud so he cannot be bent against his own will. The problem is that when he uses it to spy on Sauron, Sauron only shows him what he wants him to see. Sauron cannot stop him from looking at what he wants to look at, but he can hide details and give an incomplete picture. So Denethor is able to glean “correct” (albeit misleading) information from the Palantir and use it, but he eventually loses all hope and thinks of Mordor as invincible. He was still struggling against Mordor even despite this until he thought both of his sons were dead and he saw the corsair ships coming (he did not see that Aragorn and his men were inside them).
His story is very allegorical and filled with ironies as if he was in a Greek tragedy. His ego and his pride give him the strength to oppose Sauron in what appears to be hopeless odds for years and decades, however it is this exact ego and pride that eventually breaks him. He thought he saw destruction through the Palantir, but he was in fact driven to death after gazing upon what would have been his salvation, were he alive to receive it. Furthermore, it was one of the same hopeless images he had been looking at for decades, yet the one time the hopelessness was entirely false was the time that broke him. There’s a black humour to it. A shame the adaptation could not adapt this character properly on screen, but these are the limitations. One of my favourite characters by far in the entire trilogy is now plagued by misunderstanding and misinformation from those who only saw the movies 😕 it’s all good though, my fault for being a pedantic nerd.
I'm gonna provide a bit more context here as to what happened between Gandalf and Pippin regarding the palantir from the books.
So, at that point in the books, after the battle of Isengard, when Merry and Pippin helped the ents overthrow Saruman, the two hobbits were, for the first time in the series, starting to realize that, even as tiny little hobbits, they could actually contribute and do things that made a difference in the fight against Sauron. Up to that point, they were feeling like they were just kind of along for the ride and not serving any real purpose within the Fellowship. But just when they were starting to believe in their own ability to affect change, Gandalf showed up with Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Theoden, and Eomir...and they greeted them and gave them what felt like a pat on the back, and then started talking to treebeard about what to do about Saruman. And once again, the hobbits were being dismissed and brushed aside. So they were frustrated about that to begin with.
When Pippin found the palantir and Gandalf immediately took it, Pippin was frustrated at Gandalf and feeling resentful because...again... he's being dismissive and keeping secrets. What is the thing he found? Why did Gandalf make him hand it over? Why wouldn’t he tell him what it was? Why was Gandalf always keeping secrets? Pippin found it, so didn’t he have a right to know?
Pippin, remember, is 29, and hobbits come of age at 33. So he's essentially a teenager. Add all that to the natural curiosity of a Took (Tooks are a hobbit family with a reputation for going on adventures that other hobbits find distasteful), and the fact that the palantir gives off a temptation of its own, and that's what make Pippin go after it. It's not just "he's a fool." It's "he's a young boy who is curious and frustrated and tired of being overlooked and looked down on."
As they rode together to Minas Tirith on Shadowfax, they had a conversation in which Pippin explained all that to Gandalf. Gandalf said that he kept the information from Pippin because he thought that, if he knew what the Palantir did, he would be more tempted to look into it. Which Gandalf didn’t want to happen because the main risk of using the seeing stones here is that Sauron might be looking back. But Pippin told him that, if he had known what would happen, he wouldn’t have gone near the thing. So Gandalf apologized for underestimating him.
Pippin represents The Fool archetype. He does things that are impulsive and risky, and often have bad consequences. But...consider this...If Pippin hadn’t dropped the skeleton in the well, Gandalf might not have "fallen into shadow" with the Balrog, which means he might not have become Gandalf the White. And if he had not looked into the palantir, they might never have known that Minas Tirith was Sauron's next target and may not have arrived in time to save them. Granted, not every foolish thing Pippin did ended like that, but it happens enough that I would say that's his role in the story.
Anyway, if you made it this far, thanks for reading the dang essay I just wrote (sorry, Pippin is my favorite member of the fellowship, so I can ramble about him all day).
Part of Saruman's magic was his voice. When he spoke he could influence people to agree with him and it could be hard to fight off the influence.
Peter Jackson wanted Saruman to give a scream out in pain when he got stabbed but the actor Christopher Lee was a veteran or World War 2 and he asked Peter Jackson "Have you any idea what kind of noise happens when somebody’s stabbed in the back? Because I do." Christopher Lee later explained that basically when you get stabbed in the back like that all the air gets shoved out of your lungs and you can't make much of a sound.
I can't find the timestamp, but I really loved when you said Frodo and Sam were equal in their efforts. Sam's heroics mean something because Frodo is worth saving.
That look from Gandalf is "Pippin, for once in your life, please, for the love of God, DO. NOT. TOUCH."
She was not dying because of her choice, she was dying because the dark from Mordror killing the light of her as a star.
now you see how dangerous that ring is, how divisive it can be , pitting friends , families and countries against each other after just a glance at it . and it will never stop unless it's destroyed
Deagol (picked up the ring in the opening sequence) is Sméagol’s cousin. Supposedly close like Merry and Pippin who are also cousins.
Also Sméagol straight up calls him "my love". Basically they have a super close relationship, but the Ring instantly convinces Smëagol to betray Déagol anyways. The books also make it fairly clear that Sméagol had issues before the Ring though, so that's perhaps not entirely surprising.
Christopher Lee said he read LOTR every year. He lived to be 93
Billy Boyd aka Pippin actually has a really lovely voice and is one hell of a singer.
Sophie was right about Smegal and his personality not really changing. In the book, he was described as a somewhat scheming rich boy who liked to manipulate possessions from other villagers.
No, he was not "too much." A man can express himself. He is the man! He is a hero!
This woman probably set traps for Santa. "I don't trust him"
Tolkien was a Christian. Faith in gods providence meant a lot to him afaik. The confusing behavior of Gandalf is him believing in providence, greater force of good behind the scenes, a hand of god, but also the agency of whosoever small and insignificant creature as a hobbit that can make the most significant impact in the world. That is why Gandalf believes in a greater force and allows each fate to play out, so that in the end it fulfills gods plan, via the hands of a seemingly insignificant hobbit.
I think we could clarify that his belief isn't just blind faith, the gods of ME are very real, and Gandalf knows they exist. He is obviously a tool of their machinations.
And to be exact, a Christian of the old Catholic rite.
@@joselazo9799The Valar were not gods, but highly powerful angelic beings that were mere tools of Eru Iluvatar to created Arda, the world. Eru was the Creator, and the only One who can gave life, soul and spirit.
He also he didn't like allegory. Which is what you have just made
@@martinmayhew145 true he didnt like it. And i didnt make it. I was talking about Eru and his providence which is very real in that world.
23:40 Peter Jackson made that orc having Harvey Weinstein in mind, check out the backstory lol
His literal decision was "Make him look as much as Harvey Weinstein as possible." LOL
You two are awesome 😊 So cool how into the story you are, you’re much better at remembering all the names / characters , places etc.. then I was
Elrond and his brother Elendil we're Half-Elven. They had the option of being mortal or immortal, as did their descendants. The original gift to Man was to be mortal and pass on at death, but Morgoth, the Great Enemy, tainted the gift and filled Men with fear of death. Morgoth, formerly Melkor, was a much greater version of Sauron.
Elros was actually Elrond's brother, who chose to be mortal while Elrond chose to be immoral. Elendil was Isildur's father, a Numenorian and first High King of the Dunedain, who was one of the two men (along with Gil-galad, last High King of the Noldor) who killed Sauron at the end of the second age. Elendil was, however, a descendent of Elros.
@@Elerad oops you're right. It's been awhile
Their descendants are not given this choice. It was essentially a one time decision by Elrond and Elros only, to either live as a man or live as an elf. Thus their descendants are of the race of their original choosing.
23:33 Fact: This orc was actually somewhat designed to resemble Harvey Weinstein because he wanted Pete to create only one movie for LOTR
We love a Petty Pete who knew the monster he was
The man who played Saruman “Christopher Lee” was in the SAS during World War II. During the filming of the death scene, Peter Jackson wanted him to act like he was getting stabbed in the back, and it was going to be very dramatic. Instead, Christopher Lee told him what actually happens when you stab a man in the back. He said it is as though someone steals the breath from your body…. Now that’s tough
Y’all were so cheery even before the movie started. You can tell you were stoked
Gollum (Smeagol) had the ring for 500 years... Five. Hundred. Years.
Frodo had it for 10 (ish) months.
Perspective is everything.
The movie doesn't make it super clear but Frodo actually had the ring for almost 20 years. Though the perspective comment still definitely applies
The other thing is the way the ring is getting stronger with its master as well as how it gets stronger getting closer to home. Even if you don't account for how long Frodo did actually have it (a lot longer than the movie shows).
@StinkyBuster Frodo had possession of the ring for 20 years but did not keep ot on his person, except for the last 10 months. The ring had minimal to no effect on him until he wore it closely.
I think the biggest problem (though there aren't many) with these movies: no matter how incredibly detailed Peter Jackson was as he crafted the visual story, there are things (lore and character development) explained in the books that could not easily be translated to the screen, and it becomes easy to over-think motives (especially after watching Game of Thrones, lol)...
(PS: the whole world was fighting, Tolkein wrote this after experiencing two world wars - in some ways thid is kind of a portrait of that time in our actual world)
I cant believe so many reactors havent heard of people literally sleeping with their eyes open....its not very common, at all , but its a thing....i only knew one person in my life who did it, an asian dude, back when were were young, in the college days, but id heard stories of ppl who did it before i actually saw it irl......that being said, its very rare, but it is a thing that a small percentage of ppl do.
I love that Sophie pointed out how crazy it was that the arrow punched through plate armor. Pretty sure they don't do that. Mail perhaps with the right head and enough power but plate? Not so much. Yet movies love the "plate armor is just for decoration" trope.
So historically, some arrows can pierce plate armor, it depends on the type of bow, the arrowhead material and design, the distance or range between the objects, and the skill of the shooter. I only know this because I was curious one day after watching that scene and went on an adhd fueled rampage of research 😅😂
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Yes, an extremely high draw weight bow with specific headed arrows in a short distance could puncture damn near anything that isn’t a solid slab of hard material. However you would need to hit specific locations in the armour as well where the curvature is not so great, as otherwise it would follow the path of least resistance and simply glance off. Essentially an extremely specific situation. If you are able to hit one of these spots at an angle where most of the kinetic energy is transferred directly to and through the armour, even if the arrow doesn’t penetrate it will dent and possibly cause some bruising and pain (depending on draw weight of the bow and the thickness and efficacy of the gambeson underneath).
Part of the reason the ring took smeagol & deagol down so fast is because it had been stuck at the bottom of a river for 2500 years & it had to make a move, so, in that moment, it was super powerful, like a parasite, it was hungry for a host....also, smeagol was just a horrible person/hobbit/river-folk hobbit, & easy to take down...he was weak
I don't really know if I buy that the ring had to make a move and corrupt Smeagol like that, from its point of view does it really matter which of them keeps it? Either way it's not at the bottom of the Anduin anymore.
Gollum is really cunning. He's been careful to make sure that Frodo hasn't seen any of the things that Sam has, so to Frodo, Sam just looks paranoid. And as Sam appears to descend into paranoia, that drives a wedge between them. In the book though, it isn't like this, the tension between them is something they invented for the film. In the book both Frodo and Sam were both decent to him, but both were cautious. Sam wasn't rude to him and Frodo wasn't too trusting. Gollum couldn't separate them, which is why he had to lead them to Shelob. If he could get rid of Sam, then he would have been able to kill Frodo, it was only _together_ that they were too strong for him. The film doesn't make an awful lot of sense here.
Nobody ever brings up the fact that sam has nevee once been tempted by the ring. Hes been with frodo from the beginning and his character has always remained strong.
In shows and films arrows and swords go through plate armour easily to save screen time but in reality its virtually impossible. Knights used to knock each other out or break bones with bigger weapons, so Sophie was right about the arrows.
The only bow powerful enough in real life to pierce armor was the English longbow.
Swords aren't going to go through metal armour (plate _or_ mail), but arrows can, if shot from a powerful enough bow. And orcs are strong, that bow could have been a 200lb draw or something.
When you learn that Tolkien was a soldier in WW1 and fought in the Battle of the Somme, you can start to see how his experiences shaped and influence this story.
The theme of LOTR is Hope in the face of Darkness and Despair.
When Sauron launched his attack, he invested more power into the witch king of Angmar, that's why he came back more powerful than before... he experimented an upgrade, just like Gandalf.
Nah, the witchking was no match for Gandalf the White. That is one of the very very very very very few details Jackson overdid and got wrong.
In the book, there’s a Palantir (the orb) in Minas Tirith and Orthanc(Isengard). Denethor was a good stuart, but when Sauron returned, he corrupted all leaders of men through various means. Saruman and Denethor he corrupted through the orbs, because they were using them to observe the world and communicate. That’s also the reason for Denethor’s bad treatment of Faramir.
Gandalf's suspicion of Merri is because he touch the orb. The orb can bond with the person touching it and the eye can link up and see what you see, and listen in on what you are hearing. It can possess you, use you as a spy.
When Saruman was stabbed and he didn’t scream or overly react is actually a crazy story. Originally Peter Jackson had directed Christopher Lee (Saruman) to react with yelling or pain but Lee then explained to Jackson that when someone is actually stabbed it’s more of losing your breath…..and he knew this out of personal experience because he was in the special forces of the British army….meaning he at least saw someone be stabbed like this or had experienced it first hand. Jackson just was like “yup, we’ll go with your expertise” hahahaha
Fun fact, in the books, Saruman and Wormtongue were allowed to flee, and wound up taking over the Shire, for some reason, just to give the hobbits one last fight to have at the end of the books. I'll never really understand Legolas shooting Wormtongue for stabbing Saruman, but guess they just didn't want to pay the actor any more screentime cash.
Denothor was also supposedly a good man, but like Saruman, he used one of the Crystal balls, to see the future of gondor, and was unknowingly corrupted by Sauron in the process to be a toxic parental control freak, which when Faramir was brought back near dead, he broke from the corruption, but was so broken at what he had done he wanted to die with what he thought was his last child's corpse.
And I HATE how they had Gandalf be on the backfoot fighting the Witch king, in the book, Gandalf was actually the one to give the Witch King pause and flee gondor to deal with the Rohirrm, the difference in power between them is just that vast.
Arwin was supposed to go away for ever, that's what Aragon said to that lady. Aragon didn't know that Arwin will change her mind.
The pig looking orc was based on harvey Weinstein
The thing with Gandalf is that he's like Dr Strange. He can see many outcomes depending on what's unfolding, but he doesn't know what is actually going to happen.
Ya, I think you have it a bit backwards. Pip was notorious for being too curious, causing trouble, and being impulsive/immature. Gandalf isn't being sneaky, but knows this; I think Pip's behaviour is more suspicious, because he knows Gandalf will call him out again on the next mistep.
Eowyn wanted to fight, it's not even that she was infatuated with Aragorn.
Gandolf doesn't see/know the future. Gandolf is essentially an angel. He only knows as much as his memory offers him. He knows from the creation of the world, and where to find hope in the people's of middle earth.
"Gandolf"? Who was he in the story?
@@patriklindholm7576 He is a lesser angel, sent from heaven. The LOTR story isn't the great battle of Good v Evil in this world. That battle ripped the world apart. So it was decided to only indirectly help the people of Middle Earth fight. The 5 Istari(wizards) were sent in the form of elderly men, and we're limited in the use of their powers. To only be used in efforts to unite the people against evil. Not to fight them self. There are a lot of TH-cam videos on middle earth lore worth checking out.
@@SeFreaCweth I think Patrik is making fun of you for misspelling Gandalf's name.
@@MegaMilenche Oh. I'm sorry. I forgot the vowel for old Norse elf. It's been decades since I've read the books. I study old English though. I was probably thinking oaf/auf. I know modern English no longer associates oaf with elf. Thanks, I didn't catch that. I found the name just now in the poetic Edda spelled gandalfr.
How can anyone be suspicious of Gandalf. He was sent back by the gods because he proved himself in death. He was the only Maiar to properly fulfill his mission.
Ístari...Gandalf was (in ME) an _Ístari._ But in the Forgotten West of his youth was a Maiar, a lesser angelic being subordinate to the Valar. Ainur were all of them before their coming to Arda.
Deagol was Smeagol's cousin (Same family kin group) and his best friend, they grew up together and were as close as brothers...
"I don't think anything can top the Battle of Helm's Deep..." * Laughs in Ride of the Rohirrim *
They said nothing was gonna beat the Battle of Helm's Deep... I was thinking: wait till you get to the Ride of the Rohirrim... 😂
4:58 had me rollin hard HAHAHA "why you turning completely sidways" HAHAHAHAHAHA
Just to tack on, without going down the bottomless rabbit-hole of Tolkien lore, Aragorn's ancestors lived in an island kingdom called Numenor many centuries before these movies take place. Without going into detail, the God of this world became unhappy with the direction Numenor was going, and destroyed it with a huge wave. By the time this happened, Elendil and his son, Isildur (you met them in the intro to the first movie) had left Numenor.
So sorry, that's probably much too much for non-Tolkien-devotees, and much too over-simplified for all you lore-masters out there...
To be specific Smeagol killed his cousin Deagol. Also that explains why when he was talking to himself last movie he said he was a murderer.
The thing with Gandalf and how he seems to be holding back information and not doing more to help, is because his hands are kind of tied as to how much he can help the races of Middle Earth. He can only aid them and offer so much help
Deagol and Smeagol were 1st cousins (and the best of friends).
Ya, I wish this was communicated in the film, I think it would have been easy to do?
@@agresticumbra Probably not without narration, and that scene has none. Perhaps Gollum could have included it when he recounted his past, after the fact, but that would mean it would have to be in The Return of the King.
:) been really fun watching along with you both.
I’m fairly certain Andy Serkis got inspiration for gollum’s mannerisms and voice from a character from an 80’s Disney movie character called Gurgi, from the film “The Black Cauldron”.
He actually got it from his cat lol
In book Saruman lived and had his own small story at the end of the book.
Gandalf the Gray was 'familiar' with Pippen and his antics but only recently had they caused serious problems. While Gandalf the White seems to have kept certain knowledge, he didn't even know his name. Using this I figure when he looks at Pippen he is remembering the past somewhat and if nothing else takes a stricter tone when dealing with him.
"Unfortunately, the dark lord knows everything Pippin knows.
Fortunately, Pippin don't know shit."
NOPE! Pippin could have told Sauron his name, which would have given away the game. But because Pippin didn't tell his name or anything else, Sauron believes that he is Frodo and therefore the Ring is headed to Minas Tirith. Sauron thinks Denethor has the Ring, which is exactly what he wants: because he has already softened Denethor up (Minas Tirith also has a palantir, which Sauron has used to screw with Denethor). For someone as young and inexperienced as Pippin, deflecting telepathic attacks from *Sauron* is a nearly impossible feat.
@@sophiejones3554 yes, we know that. Sometimes autistic levels of information get set aside for a moment for jokes.
@@sophiejones3554 Sauron didnt really bother with names, he only knew "halfling" and he saw them as so beneath him that one was no different from the other.
Aragorn was looking at Eowyn for a while, that maybe he could love her because he thought he'd never see Arwen again. However, when Elrond came to see him, Aragorn learned that "Arwen's life is now tied to the fate of the Ring," meaning she didn't leave for Valinor and stayed behind. So, he basically didn't go ahead with wooing Eowyn.
16:22 / 24:49 Sophie is one of the ONLY reactors to acknowledge that even Denethor was well-intentioned at one time, while simultaneously acknowledging how far he had fallen! Most reactors never even give him any credit - which is understandable, given how he's depicted in the films. But the crumbs of his character as seen in the books are there, and Sophie picks them up!
You guys have made my breakfast watch list. 😂 That's a big deal, btw. I only save certain channels to watch when I eat breakfast, especially on a Sunday morning, and you're in the top 3. What I like about your reaction vids are when you guys give your rundown and your thoughts at the end of the video. It's great stuff! ❤❤❤ Keep it going! 👏👏👏👏👏
her suspesion on gandalf is staggering
Great reactions!! Can't wait for part 2!!!
Watched this whole series, was fun to ride along with you!
Love this journey. Can’t wait for the final part.
Why are you so suspicious of Gandalf? His intro to Hobbiton should be evidence enough of his goodness. Fireworks for the children and everything.
Aragorn should be your hero! Lol don’t feel embarrassed. Aragorn is the perfect representation of healthy strong masculinity. Humble, selfless, wary of too much power, understands his risk to be corrupted to the point where he turns down ultimate power in the ring, loyalty, able to show emotions and the love of another man as a brother (Boromir’s death) and is willing to show that vulnerability, respect, willingness fight to the death and sacrifice himself for those he loves, absolute humility, knows the importance of love, and leadership. Every man should strive to be Aragorn.
That's because Aragorn represents one of the three Christological figures of the book. :)
@@chepechapin5809 I’ve never really seen it that way. I’m not religious so when reading them I never related with that as much. But I do totally get it.
37:20 god forbid he shows enthusiasm
Christopher Lee what's part of the British special forces, and so he knew what it sounded like when a person got stabbed, hence the way he performed it on the screen.
Pippin! Get off the phone with Sauron! Youre not supposed to be talking to him. Hey, what did you say? HEY! What did you say?
Gandalf is one of the Maiar…Basically he’s an angel sent to help men. He has great power but he chooses to use persuasion and advice to aid people. His body is mortal and can be killed but his essence or spirit is eternal.
The entire green beam of energy shooting into the sky from Minas Morgul. Is simply a spell. Not all magic is meniscal like in HP. To summon darkness to cover a battlefield so your soldiers (Who fear the light) can walk unhindered takes huge amount of magic.
Elron is different from other elves. If you read up on Elron’s past you’ll know why. For now Elron’s posterity have a choice to stay immortal like all elves or to join mortality. They would be like Aragon where he is mortal but live longer than your average mortal.
In the books Frodo never sends Sam away either.
Smegal in rhe begining looks like the Real gollum because its the same actor.
They actually put him in all scenes with a white suite and motion captured his face.
The Autors acting to him ans he smoke all rhe lines
Someone probably already wrote this but I always write it when I rewatch it lol, The actor playing Sméagol looked sooooo good the last couple times he changed… mannn if they used that look the whole time would’ve been cooool!
Kudos to Sir Christopher Lee, a Legendary Man, a true Renaissance Man. There's almost nothing this giant among men didn't do! ''Saruman'', ''Rasputin'', ''Dracula'', ''Scaramanga'', opera singer, secret agent, symphonic metal performer, just an incredible man!
Lord of the Rings World is like the devil himself (Sauron) who is the Dark Lord of Middle Earth, was present itself in our world. It's that kind of dynamic, and were straight up evil itself was so clearly evident, there is no middle ground.....battle between good and evil.
Gandalf existed to facilitate plans in motion
Nothing was ever guaranteed
When Pippin is singing, the meal that is being eaten shows part of the family problems for Boromir and Faramir. historically speaking the plate is made from lead, and tomatoes were thought to be poisonous. The tomatoes would leech the lead into the food, so the steward was constantly being poisoned.
In the scene where the character Grima stabs Saruman the director, Peter Jackson wanted Saruman to scream out. However, the actor Christopher Lee, who was a soldier & actually fought in WWII, told Director Jackson that screaming out is not what actually happens when someone is stabbed in the back 😶. Christopher Lee (Saruman) refused to do it to make it that much more realistic.
Remember too, Aragorn said Arwen was sailing West to the Undying Lands. For all Eowyn knew at the time, Aragorn was available. I mean for all he knew he was available (at the time). He just wasn't ready.
Fun fact: the orc with the deformed face is supposedly based on Weinstein. The trilogy was originally pitched to him, and he wanted them to make it into one movie. They declined his generous offer and later designed that character.
In the 8x2 episode of Game of Thrones, Podrik sang Jenny of Oldstones before the battle at Winterfell. This was a mirror of Pippin singing Edge of Night before the battle of Minith Tirith in The Return of the King. The creators of GoT are big LoTR fans.
I hated Denethor until I read the books. You actually get a better understanding of what he had gone through and how much he helped & sacrificed for Gondor.
The Pippen part was huge because Gandalf first feared that pippen told Sauron about Frodo and the ring. But because of how Pippen knew who he and because he thought that Pippen was the hobbit that Saruman imprisoned because he knew he had the ring. So it was one of the only true mistakes that Sauron had made that wasn’t just him being unlucky.
Grief is a treacherous enemy for anyone..
You did see the witch king before, he was the one who stabbed frodo on weathertop in the first movie.
Sophie: "Smeagol, Smeagol. You piece of.. HMMM!"
Gandalf sees many possible paths to situations. It just depends on the variables as to which of the foreseen path things will go
Not only does that orc purposely look like Harvey Weinstein, but, then PJ doubles down and has Weinstein-Orc man chase down the terrified woman, only to be killed by the films three main heroes.
Peter Jackson HATED Weinstein long before it was cool😂
You noticed the wrong look - it was Pippin who had a guilty look. He was reluctant to hand over the orb because he was tempted. It's always Pippin - "fool of a Took!".