The Best Watch Brand ? Are All Watchmakers Equal ? Hangin' With Hans
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- The Best Watch Brand ? Are All Watchmakers Equal ? Hangin' With Hans
In this episode of Federico Talks Watches I talk to my master watchmaker Hans and we discuss topics like what is the best watch brand and if all watchmakers are equal? Are Eta movement different? And much more. Let me know what you think in the comments section below.
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More Hans, he's the man, the legend...
Agreed ! Would love to see a close up video of one of his metal machines
A few nights ago I had a dream that Hans and I were building a watch together inside an old abandoned church building.
...easily one of the coolest dreams I’ve ever had- better even than a flying dream.
@@rev.andyh.1082 Interesting
I can picture Hans at his bench tearing into a movement saying "I have vays to make you talk"
I have vays of making you tick :-)
@Lord Auric Curmudgeon hopefully both ;-)
I would be interested in Hans Top 10 Watches (non modified 😉)
great question!
Absolutely!!
It would be great but it says nothing about what YOU like. The top 10 should be from a watchmaker and engineering/technical point of view. A watch can be "bad" or cheaper, but still give a lot of enjoymement and have a good design. Just my two cents.
@@samgluz93 Yeah without categories the choice can be a bit dumb.
Vacheron would feature first in his list, I wonder if he likes the Overseas
More Hans!! And his TOP 10 Watch brands. Plus what does he thinks about how the watch industry will be ten years from now? Will the young people keep using mechanical watches? How watchmakers see the future of mechanical watches interacting with smartwatches and all technology?
I would be interested in gearing more about the silicone hairsprings and other exotic materials the next time you have Hans on 😊👍
I'm no Hans, but... The jewel (ruby or sapphire) needs to be machined to match the profile of the pivot it is receiving. Using diamond-bit tooling it is possible to mass produce interchangeable parts out of rubies & have one lot of parts match the next. If you were trying to machine the same part out of diamond then your tooling would wear out too fast to make thousands (or millions) of parts that are all perfectly interchangeable. Even if you had your watch jewels milled from diamond your watch wouldn't necessarily run any better. The jewel needs to be finished as smooth as possible & it needs to be harder than the steel pivot it is receiving. Ruby satisfies that requirement just fine, & changing to diamond wouldn't really improve the function of the watch.
Bloody love Hans, feel like he’d make a great odd ball uncle type figure iygm
He basically is my crazy uncle.
I can tell Hans is a proud , old school watchmaker in the Swiss tradition. I appreciate his candor. You can tell he doesn’t work for a brand otherwise he wouldn’t be able to speak so freely. Also he has convinced me that Silicon escapements are something I don’t want in at least a high end watch. Great episode.
So Hans is assembling franken watches in his spare time 😅
Would love to know Han’s and Fed’s opinions on best watches for budgets of $1k, $5k, $10k and $20k. Keep up the great work. Appreciate you guys.
Yes I agree.
Hans is a gem. Fed, you are killing it with these videos. Keep it up.
Great information. You have confirmed my suspicions about the ETA 2824. I have always wondered why people would consider paying a huge amount for a watch with this movement when in reality the watch contains the same basic movement as a $500 watch with an ETA 2824. Tudor comes to mind as a company that has offered this movement in rather expensive watches. While I admire their products I can’t understand why anyone would pay $3000 for a Tudor with a 2824 given what you have exposed here.
A Tissot for £400 with a eta 2824 is not going to be on the same level as a Tudor for £2000 eventhough they may share the same movement the quality will show in other areas, basically there's more to a watch that just the movement.
I think that’s why Tudor now has in house movements. If you pay good money for a watch, you want quality inside and out
Gotta pay for that marketing and their brand ambassador's
It's still a great movement. Note that Hans is using it for his own machine.
People get hung up on the movement too much I think. As Hans said in another video, it takes about 10 years to iron out all the issues with a new in house movement. In house is by no means of better quality than a generic movement, which has been tried and tested for many years and by many watch brands. Case in point, Tudor's latest fiasco with the in house movement used in the Black Bay GMT.
Your duo really steps up the game. I learned a lot! Thank you.
Hans is so awesome. I picture a great video of Hans talking watch stories after downing a few.
Love the video! Give Hansie his own channel; there is already two things he can (Likely wants) to talk about: Story of Vacheron and why Patek is no. 2. I am sure he has a lot more watch history to share that I find fascinating Would love to see him go into detail when servicing watches as well. I think it would be such a great roundup of 3 channels in your group, marketing, business and technical side. Love all you guys, Fed, JP, Hans: Keep up the good work!!!
Hey fredrico, more appreciation from India on getting Hans on board. His take on movements is awesome. Not to take anything away from your reviews of watches. Appreciate it bro ...keep it up.
Just as good as the last visit. Love the talks. Very informative. Please keep doing more. Another question about ETA. In Tudor do they modify the regulator also?
Great as allways to see Hans! I realy think you should feature Hans on a regular basis (in a kind of a series) on this chanel and having him answering questions from the public, like every monday or some other weekday and call it like ”Watchmaking monday” or ”Ask the watchmaker”. There are very little information on the subject on TH-cam and you would have no comoetition. Hans also seems to be a superb watchnaker which of course is a great plus!!! More Hans please! 👌🏻😊✨
More Hans! TH-cam needs more of Hans and the watch community deserves to know what Hans knows! Great energy from Frederico and Hans! At least every two weeks bring Hans in!
Videos with Hans are the BEST! SO much insight. I really appreciate it because I'd rather spend my money on a WATCH than on MARKETING and HYPE.
This has breathed new life into your channel, Federico. Hans is great entertainment and a master watchmaker, bring him back as often as you can!
Really amazing to see Hans once again dispelling myths and sharing his knowledge and stories (both love and war ;-)! It would be great to hear him talk about what recent innovations he does find have optimized timekeeping and therefore represent true contributions to the field. Is for example FPJ's remontoir d'égalité (a watchmaker who btw shares his views on silicium parts) something he recognizes as truly better at producing accurate timekeeping? etc. And also thanks Federico for sticking around for this long in your channel and producing all this great content!
There’s just something about when Hans says something, I believe it and there’s weight behind it. I’m wanting to check out Vasheron now
Been following this channel for a long time, and I never comment, except on the last Hans video, and I am echoing it again....... More of these videos!!!! Excellent
i'm seriously very pleased that Hans is back! Please bring him back at least twice a month! Most enthusiasts already know everything about the consumer side of watches, model, price, reference number, etc. Your viewers want to know the lowdown dirty secrets behind the watches. Thanks!!!!
I was thinking today of wanting to see another video of Hans on your channel, Federico, and was astounded to see this awesome video posted. You two, as well as John P, are incredible! Hans is a big hit in the watch community! Great channel, Federico!
Fed, these videos in which you host Hans are just amazing! 👍 Please keep bringing him back.
Got to love it! My questions to Hans: What do you think about the Omega co-axial movements? Are they as good (accurate, sturdy, maintaince free) as Omega says and;
Can you explain poising a watch movement? Is it often necessary given the accuracy of today's movements?
Excellent and illuminating as usual. Hans rules.
Would love to hear his opinion about other great watchmakers and perhaps he could once do a technical explanation about a non-trivial concept in watch technology for those of us who are more technology-oriented.
Thanks, Fed, for the channel in general and for Hans in particular!
Clicked on Like only seeing Hans in the title! Those conversations are awesome, but too short, I could spend hours, days listening! Thanks Guys, and looking forward to next one
Another great video from the best watch channel on TH-cam. Thanks for making my day!
Wow, thanks!
Once again, HANS DELIVERS!! Great video Fed.
Glad you like them!
Love Hans, every time I see him on the thumbnail I blend everything out and click the video.
Hans is great and it's interesting to watch him telling all the stories how some watch brand do their business and marketing.
More Hans for sure!
Hi Federico, I am a novice collector and I watch your videos from time to time. I just randomly came across this video with Hans for the first time. How awesome to hear from a Master Watchmaker and field questions from your subscribers. Very, very insightful format. Thank you. Keep up the great work. D.P.
Very cool, and informative. Thanks to both of y’all for taking the time.
Hans ist fantastiche!!! Great addition Fed! His insight and the depth and breathe of knowledge in the room keeps me glued to the screen! You have been my quarantine King!!! Thank you for your time and sharing of your knowledge with us.
I am watching this wearing my Dads 1950s Vacheron 6292 with the 454 5b movement! its getting ready for a service Hans! great stuff gents!
I got a question for Hans: Why is it always rubies that are used and seldomly diamonds?
Thank you for all the great videos!
P.S.: love the Moser
based on my understanding, diamonds don't hold the lubricating oil as well as synthetic jewels. Maintenance becomes a problem
As I understand it, the rubies arent real but synthetic and they aren't very expensive. Diamonds, even synthetic ones would be much more expensive. In finland they aren't called rubies, but the word to word translation is somethin along the lines of "running stones".
This series with Hans are very interesting! Please make one every 2 weeks at least!
Oh how I appreciate Hans! An artisan of the highest level. Thank you Fed. An intellectual approach is SO appreciated! And great humor!!
Really enjoy these videos with Hans! Always learn so much!
I would like to hear Hans opinion about Czapek watches and is there any other "resurected" and/or well promising brands on the market.
What a good question!!!
I love my Czapek if that helps
When he said there is absolutely no difference between a high grade ETA 2824 and a low grade ETA 2824 movement my face lit up
Great discussion Frederico - Thanks for bringing Hans back into the studio - Great stuff!!
Hell yeah! Another video with Hans!
Great video! Keep bringing Hans to the show. Happy to know that my favorite brand is the same as Hans.
Hans vids are the best!!!
Thank you for another great video with Hans and thank you for returning to the question about the various ETA grades!
I’m not a professional watchmaker but I am an enthusiast and I have serviced and repaired a few ETA 2824-2s (my first service here: www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/11734-eta-cal-2824-2-17-jewels-disassemblyassembly/?tab=comments#comment-107021 ). Yes, from a watchmaker’s point of view when it comes to servicing, repairing, and regulating there is basically no difference between the lower-grade (Standard and Elaboré) and higher-grade (Top and Chronometre) ETAs. However, I’d say temperature-insensitive alloys for certain parts such as the balance wheel are required to meet the requirements of COSC and that is only available in the Top and Chronometre grades. In most situations and in most locations, there will be no timekeeping differences in a well-regulated Standard or Chronometer grade movement. However, if you live in an environment where temperatures differ a lot it will make a difference and, in those cases, the lower grades will for sure not meet the specifications of COSC. In the extreme, a $400 Hamilton housing an Elaboré 2824-2 will not perform as well as a $4000 Breitling housing a Chronometer 2824-2. So, in my opinion, and will all due respect; no, it’s not just a matter of marketing.
Hans is a baller watch caller! Please have him on more!
Federico and Hans,p1 thank you both so much for such an informative video. I would like to see more of these. It is insightful to hear from someone who actually works wit the inner workings of the watch's. Plus I now have additional motivation to buy a VC.
Fantastic video. You really have to get Hans on regularly. These last 2 videos I've learned a hell of a lot.
Looks like watchmaking education is very similar to engineering school. When you get out you now have the ability to practice and really learn the art and science of your area of specialty.
Spot on
Federico, I love all these questions you had prepared. Just want to say I really enjoy your channel, much love buddy!
Hans is so interesting and knowledgeable. Please have him on again.
Great. I was among the crowd that came up with the shock absorber thing, but I am not surprised about the answer. There are so many watch channels out there, but where else do you get that?
Hans is on? Instant thumbs up!!
Refreshing compared to all the other channels, go Hans keep going!
Great video.. Hans Rocks!! Next time please some close up shots of the watches Hans wears in your videos.. I can imagine your viewers would like to see the detailed work and love he puts into his watches.. Thanks for sharing😊⌚👍
Great Federico, You did it again! The clarity, transparency and straightforward answers from Master Hans are what whatchlovers are looking for! Now I know that I need to subscribe this. Channel waiting for next appointment. Thanks
You guys are absolutely the best, so much chemistry between the two of you and so much informative content ...please please keep these videos coming ..
Watchmaker Nicholas Hacko from Sydney, Australia said that it takes 10 years to become a master watchmaker.
Interesting topic. Thanks.
Hans is a myth busting extraordinaire! We need more of Hans.
Great video! Love having Hans on the show. Great dialog guys. Cheers.
The world needs more Hans.
PROPER insights, fantastic interview. Thank you!
Interesting conversation, especially on silicon escapements. I agree with Hans' view but am curious why he still likes Patek so much since they also introduced silicon hairsprings in 2009?
Always very informative when Hans shows up.
this was like Plato, he required his students to travel the world before they earned they’re equivalent of Phd in the goooooood old days
Questions: a) what’s a double chronometer? b) If I have a chronometer watch serviced, will it be again regulated like a chronometer? Is it after the service a chronometer anymore.? To be fair, assuming the service is made at the manufacturer.
I have a question for Hans:
Is it (realistically) possible to replace the hairspring in a 2892 with a Silicon hairspring if you wanted to improve its anti-magnetic properties? Is it just as easy as swapping it out or is there more to it? Are silicon hairsprings even available off the shelf, what other considerations do you have to keep in mind when working with silicon parts?
Thanks in advance & thanks Federico for bringing Hans back!
Love having Hans. Great change of pace. How about some simple basic watch care/fixes/mods 101 episodes that all watch owners should be able to to do themselves. His "pet peeves" that annoy him that responsible owners should take notice of.
The best thing to happen on the channel is Fed's transition from front man to Hans' sidekick.
hahahahaha :)
@@FedericoTalksWatches I thought you would like that comment.
People like Parmigiani and Journe came to their present watchmaking careers via initially restoring and rebuilding historic and vintage pieces. Roger W. Smith became an apprentice to the late great George Daniels. Would be interesting to hear his thoughts in that particular process of learning to master one's craft
I like the more deep video less focus on what you should buy. I personally think doing watchmaking course after military at my early retirement.. so the course recongnation and process yo be watchmaker insterested me thanks!
I'd really love to know what you and Hans think of Jaquet Droz
The Fed Hans Show is awesome. Or is it the Hans Fed Show? Great all around team at Delray.
As beginning watchmaker, I totally agree with Han's answers on the ETA 2824-2. The high standard machining and materials used for the gears and parts of Swiss movements such as from ETA or Sellita and finally the watchmaker who puts it together and regulate it are of upmost importance to the performance of the final product. Almost everything else are pretty much cosmetics and marketing. I've worked on countless Asian 2824-2 clones and Swiss 2824-2; the poor machining, uncleanness and sub-par materials are what differentiate the Chinese movement versus the Swiss movements. From a functional standpoint, for example, an incabloc or novodiac or etachoc doesn't make a difference to me, as long as the balance wheel/pivots, hairspring and jewels are equally made of quality materials. Hans probably has a lot of dislikes because he has revealed the secrets of the watch industry that brands don't want you to know about; this info has pissed watch snobs off because it makes them feel foolish for being so obsessed by the specs of their watches and the money they've spent. The truth hurts. 😪
Such a joy to watch these videos. And oh, the H.Moser is a beauty.
Best watch brand is Zenith especially vintage Zenith’s from the 50 ‘s and 60’s these manufacturer movements are still the best ever made 😉
More, more, more... You guys are such a great team and a pleasure to listen to. I learn a lot every time.
Holy crap! More Hans! This is the kind of info I love to learn about. Great vid!
Awesome video guys, I just bought the Laco munster blaue with the 2824 movement! I cant wait to get it....
Fed and Hans, the best watch pairing on TH-cam!
About the silicon hairspring, weren't they used because it is to the reduced sensitivity to magnet though? Even the Breguet 7727 which won the Aguille d'or takes advantage of it to create a magnetic pivot and created a 20hz mechanical movement. I need to know.
"It improves stability, performance, accuracy, and resistance to magnetic
interferences and thermal fluctuations. It also can keep its shape
forever and never requires any lubrication."
Prestigetime. www.prestigetime.com/blog/silicon-revolution.html
Tippy Kaffu didn’t Hans say they will break like glass in 2 years? Contradicts the marketing that says that the service intervals are longer with them...
@@OPMDK Wasn't he talking about the silicone escapement though?
@@OPMDK That would be the plastic part though. Its what Tissot's Powermatic 80 was notorious for.
The videos with Hans are the best! Keep em coming Fed :) Greetings from Svezia!
Great vid, Federico, love these Hans appearances , thanks.
Great refreshing spin on things Fed...please keep Hans in the rotation!
Hans again... Great!!!
I know right!
What does Hans think about Grand Seiko spring drive and Grand Seiko quartz 9f movement?
He is not a fan. The talked about it in the older videos
Hans would make a good character in Hogan's Heroes.
I would love to hear more from Hans about the reason he dislikes the new silicon movement that Zenith has recently introduced.
Great video - keep them coming👍
Like master watchmaker Hans I also like Vacheron Constantin, I think the Vacheron Constantin Overseas is one of the most beautiful sports watches.
oh , you answered the question , allllll good
So, I have switched my future watch purchase dream from Rolex to Vacheron.
Lovely video. Hans, please talk about the mains calibers of one brand, like Omega (as am example). A true independent opinion. That's why we love Federico, for his opinion.
Awesome!! I always really enjoy hearing insight from Hans, I just trust what he says about watches, you can tell this man is a master of his craft.
Hey Federico! Loved the video. Consequently in love with Loisella.
You made an interesting point about Rolex. Which watches are still made by watchmakers, not assembly lines?
Fabulous. Hans is a superstar. The pair of you together is such a blast
This was a really great discussion. Thanks much!