i feel like trees were never meant to go that fast. it makes me think of the old scare when cars were first being introduced and people said the human body would disintegrate if it went that fast.
Chehyst just so you know it's not the wood that was going fast the wood just made up the case it was the CD's glued on to their shaft that was spinning at such ridiculous speeds and predictively exploded.
“It’s okay, I had full blast shields!” *piece of wood stuck into the drywall*. Nice work for it being made of wood and plastic, and that coil is powerful as hell. Excited to see the next phase, I’m trying to figure out a scenario for an off grid project in the future that could power a farm and machine shop with one of these running high pressure water.
@@iEnergySupply how goes IT? Some times be low, feel riddled by soles walking on, twisting intwo your dreams. What once felt nice. turns queasy vice, conCern Gatekreeper stifles does squeeze me. The and thee, drawn in, Bearings all right°, Brought in To begin in Falls light, of May sun, on through to cloud masked Aemricon to de skies never ending story, allegory, time bandits thieves. Bridges turn ridges. Opportune....detune, maroon to ops. Con fusion. VrilSoulLooshin Be there, somewhere that feels free? Rewwind Find synergy, knot freeDom wrapped wound. Now standing in syn a synthetic false light in darkness drew me in to its nest.
Well guys as you know Turbines and flywheel can handle big power. Keep having fun. Imagine a dragster powered by a flywheel of Tesla design. Loads of noise. Burning rubber and immense unsurvivable speed. Awesome. Should go viral.
We are going into production and selling our turbine soon! Sorry all the late updates have been on patron only, Ill soon be posting more on youtube though.
The second stage lowers the back pressure in the turbine. Here is what Tesla says about it. n the development of power by thermodynamic prime movers, as steam engines and turbines, a low back pressure is essential to good economy, the performance of the machine being increased from fifty to one hundred per cent, by reducing the absolute pressure in the exhaust space from fifteen to about one pound per square inch. " - Nikola Tesla
in a book i read on theory, the author tells a story about someone testing a prototype machine at a Vegas trade show with about 20 people looking on when the thing violently blew apart (no shields) and in a miracle no one was hit with shrapnel. the thing was made of metal and the author notes that had the creator understood theory, the device would not have utilized the materials the way it was done. Basically the man build a bomb which at speed would fail in amazing fashion. we had a tesla turbine at the tech school where i got my degree in green energy but it had a regulator on the air flow to prevent over speed, however the top speed of that one might have done the same thing you got. i'm glad you are proactive and stayed safe.
@@iEnergySupply not even close to the dangers you faced but I still should have known better. th-cam.com/video/DQAErEBDwGs/w-d-xo.html Yeah it was a little off balanced. But superglue is still not the best to hold magnets to a flat disk.
Is there a way to measure the speed / pressure of air coming out? I hope you can receive hundreds of aluminum disks (aluminum hard disk drives) as a gift for the various tests. Finally, after so many years, new, interesting and impressive experiments with the tesla turbine. Good job!
These Tesla turbines are great and have not been used enough. The question is not how much power they generate but what is the power generated vs what power it took to create the compressed air. IMHO these turbines are best suited in water fall situations.
@@niteknight265 Tesla turbines have been in use for a long time. Usually in the opposite way as a pump for liquids. But not for generators, as mankind has no material that can withstand the massive centrifugal forces. Modern turbines achieve efficiencies of over 90%, in order to achieve these efficiencies in the "industrial" framework with a Tesla turbine, the disks would have to rotate at their outermost end at a speed of more than Mach 10. Even the most powerful titanium alloys are too weak for this.
That turbine just grenaded! *hmm following thought all the way* Sooo... a clamshell of brittle steel, integrated nozzle, the turbine, a CO2 cartridge. That is flak, charge, initiator, timer all in one... a mech'anade.
That was amazing. Glad you had the knowledge to put up some protective barriers. I could see myself getting hurt with that. I NEVER would have thought that you would have had a catastrophic failure like that. It was so well built. Wow!
@@iEnergySupply that's the best way to test it. Find the weak link and resend. Love your work. I wish you was in Florida so I could pick your brain. Keep up the great work. Look forward to future updates on this project. Rock on.
@@iEnergySupply Cylindrical Mirror with copper little tube in focus.. After you have steam, Tesla turbine connected with electric motor and flywheel.. After that the water come back . A good flywheel can run over night.. yep yep!
I was also trying to build a tesla turbine out of I'm using CD disks as turbines. I'm a beginner. I broke it accidentally while cutting the wood. But i will try it oncr again later.
There was a company that started designing Tesla turbine a pump, and the first product was to be a windshield wiper fluid pump for cars. They worked with Silicon Nitrite for turbines, for the high temperatures and strength, but went out of business. They wrote a book.
That was fun. What was it, 32krpm when it grenaded? LOL Outstanding. What kind of wattage was it putting out? 80v at what amperage? Hmm, just the DVM set up for voltage, eh?
Indeed. Good planning on his part. You could make a solid enclosure but I would go with a much larger one--say a 2x2x2 foot cube. More space provides more time for the shrapnel to spread out more over a larger area before impacting the shield.
Please attach a LOAD to the generator, something which consumes CURRENT, not just measuring the 'open voltage'. A 1 Ohm resistor, or even short the outputs and measure the current. The 'back EMF', will drastically reduce the speed. I have seen numerous 'free running' Tesla Turbines.
We just attached a generator to our latest turbine and powered a 1000w motor, although it did it's job the generator was unbalanced so most of the power was lost to vibration. We will soon attach it directly to the shaft to demonstrate the power, we will also show the motor's amp's and volts to show the turbines potential capabilities with solid numbers.
As much pressure as a 1/4" piece of wood can handle that was the thickness of the first stage. Remember though the pressure is reduced by the second stage so not much pressure can build up in the turbine other then the periphery of the first stage sidewalls. Not as much as you would think. The inlet was 1/2" wide by 1/32" thick. The main problem was the rotor shifting and making contact with the side walls, this caused it to rapidly heat up and make the plastic soft. The explosion was from the rotor breaking and sending that kinetic energy into the casing of the turbine.
Great video! I feel the issue was as the RPM increases the air travels around the housing more times taking longer to escape through the exhaust. At this point the back up of exhausted air with a continual supply causes the wooden housing to become a pressure vessel. Well done to get 40000 rpm, looking forward to see the CMC version maybe with a slightly larger exhaust and inlet. An even bigger well done to look after your own safety and use protective glass.
Gosh, what you said is exactly what we did, now we are getting these speeds with 1/100th the pressure using carbon fiber disks. It's getting better and better.
what does two stage get you? the input velocity has little to do with output. And yo have one shaft for all stages so youre in actuality coupling the turbines not staging them ...?
In the development of power by thermo-dynamic primemovers, as steam engines and turbines, a low back pressure is essential to good economy, the performance of the machine being increased from fifty to one hundred per cent. by reducing the absolute pressure in the exhaust space from fifteen to about one pound per square inch. Turbines are particularly susceptible to such improvement and in their use for operation of power plants and manufacturing establishments the attainment and steady maintenance of high vacua has assumed great importance, every effort being made to better the conditions in this respect. The gain effected by this means is, in a large measure, dependent on the initial pressure, characteristics of the primemover, temperature of the cooling medium, cost of the condensing apparatus and many other things which are all well-known to experts.
A note. The picture you have in the beginning (0:04) is not a two stage Tesla Turbine, but shows 2 independent Tesla turbines running in opposite direction with a torsion string between them in order to measure the break horse power they develop between them. Also the Tesla turbine must be made out of steel and be operated with steam, everything else is quite a sub efficient design.
The Tesla turbine is designed to run on many different fluids. You can also run combustion with the Tesla turbine if done right, this we will show in the future with a metal rotor.
@@iEnergySupply The information can be found in the printed book ( also can be found in pdf format ) "A New dimension for Power" (www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/335te.htm) , it is a collected articles form 1910-1920 with Tesla's interviews and explanation about his turbine. It is an excellent read not only for the Tesla turbine, but also to a glimpse at the way Tesla wast thinking. The other way of looking at Tesla's way of thinking is reading his articles, patents and "Colorado Springs Notes 1899-1900", all of them are excellent read, but you have to immerse yourself in the 19-the century way of thinking as otherwise they are not an easy read. Also take a look at the channel of Don Schmidtke, as arguably, at least in my opinion, he is the most advanced researcher in looking, in the proper way, at the Tesla Turbine:: th-cam.com/users/ourhouseisfull11videos Interestingly the Tesla Turbine, with its characteristics as an efficient thermodynamic generator, driven with steam, to convert the energy of the standard fossil fuels to heat and transform it efficiently to mechanical motion, input to onboard electric generator, and its low mass to output power ratio appears to be the optimal way of building the cars driven with an electric motor as a drive engine and small, on board, battery pack.
You need to look up Frank Germano's research into it, use nitronic steel plated with a boron carbide buffered to extreme smoothness for the discs and a stainless steel, hastelloy, nimonic, or brightray superalloys for the shaft and housing. THAT IS if you're going for strength, heat resistance, and stress resistance.
@@iEnergySupply Let me link you his wordpress website, the archive of his original website, some turbine references, references to the materials I was talking about, and his two known contact emails. frank@germano.com frankdgermano@gmail.com web.archive.org/web/20120224012212/www.frankgermano.net/teslaturbine.htm web.archive.org/web/20121005211517/www.frankgermano.net/teslaturbine2.htm frankgermano.wordpress.com/the-tesla-turbine/ frankgermano.wordpress.com/the-tesla-turbine-pump/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitronic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimonic www.haynesintl.com/alloys/alloy-portfolio_ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron_carbide web.archive.org/web/20120424175829/www.frankgermano.net/teslaturbine.htm web.archive.org/web/20110105100042/www.frankgermano.net/theturbine.htm patents.google.com/patent/US9835142B2/en?inventor=Frank+Germano www.teslaengine.org/images/teba15p17.pdf www.gyroscope.com/images/teslaturbine/TeslaTurboMachinery.pdf
2:06 Are these your exhausts? Tesla turbines get their incredible efficiency from the exhausts being in the middle by the shaft bearings, so that the air has to fight the incredible centripetal force to get out, turning the turbine in the process.
there is a turbine, a regular turbine in the center, then there are two pumps on on each side of the turbine that evacuate the pressure in the center of the turbine.
You should run your turbine in a vacuum pump configuration. that is where tesla turbine really becomes interesting. Nobody ever tests the maximum vacuum that can be achieved but it should be really high.
Funny you should mansion that! We have been working on that and have recently done it. We are fixing vacuum leaks and building custom turbine for this purpose.
That's exactly what I thought. An electric load on the generator would have been nice to get a light or boil a cup of water. Anyway great work to be proud of.👍
Close but it depends on the periphery speed of the rotor. The greater the circumference of the rotor, the greater the periphery speed per RPM. It's high periphery speed that brings out the efficiency of the machine. Generally the higher the rpm the faster the periphery although the periphery speed is dependent on the rpm times the circumference of the rotor/disks. In this case we achieved the highest periphery speed we know of, and the efficiency was much greater then we have ever seen.
I can imagine Tesla actually doing the same thing during his trial runs. He did try over and over again to make it safe, resulting in bigger wheels and lower rpms. In the end Tesla somewhat gave up when he couldn't find a strong enough material.
This reminds me of the Tesla earthquake machine on explosion. One challenge about this turbine is the material for the discs. The more we go infinitely flat, the more we expose them to warping, creeping and eventual damage as experienced by Tesla. However, in this case, the wooden housing didn't give the required protection as well so yeah, it was a housing fault but with a nice output connection whose resistive errors can be ignored for demonstration purposes
Imagine if your friend had been sitting on that couch. Great video , I’m glad you had shields up but even more glad that you know WHY you use them even if there’s not an explosion every time. Have a great day
I could tell from the noise that this turbine wasn't going to go real fast - too much vibration. What a great demo of the power of that turbine though. Too bad you broke your speed sensor in the process.
The stator was unbalanced , the scary bit is when a rotating object is out of balance by the weight say 5gm that 5gm is squared every 1000 RPM and your turbine was doing what RPM ?
Wow... Just about 38K at the failure point.... That's pretty impressive given the materials. I'll be interested to see something like titanium for the rotor vs steel.... for efficiency testing and such
Well you definitely did the destructive testing portion of your research. About 70% of the rpms you got that caused failure would be the max safe range for your design. Impressive to say the least. Make smaller ones out of aluminum and they would make awsome air driven ultra high speed milling bit tool holders.
What do you think about building out of Alon which is transparent aluminum. It's stronger than steel lighter and easier to machine. It comes precast in tube or flat sheet. It would help reduce the weight of your machine to meet your spec of 10 horsepower to one weight ratio. I've seen suppliers for it online it comes in any thickness you want. Believe it can be machined or CNC.
Good guess, although I believe the rotor shifted, the balancing company dropped the rotor and the shaft bent, sadly, so he balanced it with a bent shaft, the shaft couldn't be centered correctly and there wasn't enough room for the rotor collars to center the shaft. I believe it hit the side walls at 35k rpm and rapidly heated up causing the centrifugal force to break the rotor apart once it became hot due to the friction.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And your turbine "looked" very solid and strong!!! The power of the Tesla Turbine is amazing! Keep pushing hard on your R&D... we know that you're onto something BIG because as you know so well, a lot of Mr. Tesla's plans and R&D are missing... and when researchers went to the museum in Belgrade... THEY WOULDN'T LET THEM LOOK AT TESLA'S DOCUMENTS! Something very very very fishy is going on... and I believe his research was stolen because, just like his AC, he invented something even MORE SPECTACULAR WITH HIS TURBINE! Amen Retired, Veteran
@@iEnergySupply Amen Jeremiah!!! I've watched almost all of your videos at least THREE TIMES EACH and from what I can see, you have the "heart of a lion" and the dedication and commitment of Tesla... and that's what it's going to take to make the major breakthroughs that will "take you to the top!" We want your first working system for our planned retirement home in NW Montana... so we can power everything and charge our batteries! As soon as things start to happen for you... you'll probably be a billionaire... so don't forget us retired folk!!!! ha! ha! : ) PS: I'm also doing my R&D on the Stirling Engine so we could possibly attach it to a wood boiler and pump the heated water through our foundation for our A-Frame Solarium/Sun-room/Greenhouse Home AND generate energy at the same time (similar to the units that they've made in Switzerland but they're for commercial clients!) But, you're work looks more promising! Amen Retired, Veteran BowenOrg@gmail.com
U of Maryland found that by taking the lignin out of the wood and compressing it and heating it, the wood becomes 3 times stronger than steel. Or something.
I would be really interested to see some efficiency measurements, energy in Vs energy out. How does this turbine compare with a more standard impeller? What would be the energy loss if renewables were used to make compressed air? Would it be practical to use compressed air in place of batteries along side renewables? Great video with a spectacular failure\opportunity to learn.
Awful output vs input. Standard turbines are orders of magnitude better. But that's why all the TH-cam Tesla Turbine Videos never do quantitative measurements. They're just looking for "views" and "likes".
Theoretically they can reach higher levels of efficiency than regular turbines, however this is only achieved at high rpm with many discs/high surface area. Currently most materials that could be used cannot sustain their shape at the centripetal forces they would experience then.
That's the issue with Tesla turbine, the Rome it receachs exead what materials we have can handle. If you can solve that, its an amazingly efficient design at extreme rpm. Tesla theorized if the materials could be made to handle the speeds it would be most efficient turbine for power generation.
I just wanted to note a big mistake in the video you watched. The video says the rotor must spin at a very high rpm, maybe 50,000 for a 6” turbine. The speed of a turbine is based on periphery speed not rpm. If a 6” turbine needs to spin 50,000 rpm to be efficient like the video says, that’s a periphery speed of 890.1 Miles per hour. If you want a 3 meter disk to achieve close to 891 miles per hour at the periphery, the rpm required is only 7,253. We have materials that can easily reach that speed.
Where’s the Slo-mo Guys when you need ‘em? Impressive build and even more impressive ‘deconstruction’! Good luck with future projects.
Damn, I wish we could have got it on super slow motion!
i feel like trees were never meant to go that fast.
it makes me think of the old scare when cars were first being introduced and people said the human body would disintegrate if it went that fast.
Yeah its new for sure lol, I didn't know that!
Chehyst just so you know it's not the wood that was going fast the wood just made up the case it was the CD's glued on to their shaft that was spinning at such ridiculous speeds and predictively exploded.
@@michaelvaughn2287 You are correct, but I didn't use cd's for the rotor, I used lexan cut with CNC machine.
I think the figure quoted was 15mph as the destruction of the human body
Trees are meant to go fast. Proof? The DeHavilland Mosquito.
Success will not be obtained without a little failure, that was awesome
Absolutely correct :)
As Adam Savage said "FAILURE IS ALWAYS A OPTION"
with out some holes in the walls
next time he will let without power the entire neighborhood
may the force be with him
“It’s okay, I had full blast shields!” *piece of wood stuck into the drywall*. Nice work for it being made of wood and plastic, and that coil is powerful as hell. Excited to see the next phase, I’m trying to figure out a scenario for an off grid project in the future that could power a farm and machine shop with one of these running high pressure water.
You won't need high pressure water with our new system. Even below atmospheric pressure will do. Stay tuned.
Don't think you'll need to..tech coming can fit 8n a shoe box that can do that and more...
oh go steam either wet or dry your choice. youill be able to heat the house during the winter as well. as sell off excess power to the grid.
@cyntcynt ah, the idea has floated away, we’re doing solar and wind I think.
@@iEnergySupply how goes IT?
Some times be low, feel riddled by soles walking on, twisting intwo your dreams.
What once felt nice. turns queasy vice, conCern Gatekreeper stifles does squeeze me.
The and thee, drawn in,
Bearings all right°, Brought in To begin in Falls light, of May sun, on through to cloud masked Aemricon to de skies
never ending story, allegory, time bandits thieves. Bridges turn ridges. Opportune....detune, maroon to ops.
Con fusion.
VrilSoulLooshin
Be there, somewhere that feels free? Rewwind Find synergy, knot freeDom wrapped wound.
Now standing in syn a synthetic false light in darkness drew me in to its nest.
Absolutely brilliant. As it was said in Flash Gordon. "You crazy old bird". You made an old man very happy!
Awwww, thank you! I am flattered. Have you seen our new content?
I'll check your channel. Hold on to your tail feathers!
Well guys as you know Turbines and flywheel can handle big power. Keep having fun. Imagine a dragster powered by a flywheel of Tesla design. Loads of noise. Burning rubber and immense unsurvivable speed. Awesome. Should go viral.
Your work is really appreciable I am working on Tesla turbine
wood. and turbine. words that should never be next to each other, good luck on upgrading
How does the compressed air flow through the secondary turbines ? I would like to know more.
what pressure is the supply at 5000rpm (48V), and do you know the current output at that voltage (watts)
th-cam.com/video/MkGAKqG2qvU/w-d-xo.html This video is way better, see what you think. More details
That explosion was worth the wait. Thanks for this not being clickbait. Good job.
You will be big, wait until the world meets you.
Amazing work!!
Please bear with me.. I’m not an expert.
But is there any practical potential in this, or is it just having fun with the project??
Thanks
We are going into production and selling our turbine soon! Sorry all the late updates have been on patron only, Ill soon be posting more on youtube though.
What does it mean to have a second stage? What advantage is gained?
The second stage lowers the back pressure in the turbine. Here is what Tesla says about it. n the development of power by thermodynamic prime movers, as steam engines and turbines, a low back pressure is essential to good economy, the performance of the machine being increased from fifty to one hundred per cent, by reducing the absolute pressure in the exhaust space from fifteen to about one pound per square inch. " - Nikola Tesla
Thank you!
in a book i read on theory, the author tells a story about someone testing a prototype machine at a Vegas trade show with about 20 people looking on when the thing violently blew apart (no shields) and in a miracle no one was hit with shrapnel. the thing was made of metal and the author notes that had the creator understood theory, the device would not have utilized the materials the way it was done. Basically the man build a bomb which at speed would fail in amazing fashion.
we had a tesla turbine at the tech school where i got my degree in green energy but it had a regulator on the air flow to prevent over speed, however the top speed of that one might have done the same thing you got.
i'm glad you are proactive and stayed safe.
You can't even see any frames of it coming apart, one moment is screaming along and the next the turbine is just gone, crazy!
gosh a high speed camera would be so nice!
One of the more interesting, vanishing tricks I’ve seen in a long time. Well done.👍🏻
No comments needed! Awesome man 👍👍❤️💪🏻🦾🇳🇱
If you dont mind me sayin.....Man, that was f***in cool!
A reminder to why safety is important.
precisely
@@iEnergySupply not even close to the dangers you faced but I still should have known better. th-cam.com/video/DQAErEBDwGs/w-d-xo.html
Yeah it was a little off balanced. But superglue is still not the best to hold magnets to a flat disk.
Came for the Tesla Turbine, stayed for the kinetic bomb.
That packed a whallop. Thank heavens you weren't injured by that. A lot of energy was released.
Is there a way to measure the speed / pressure of air coming out? I hope you can receive hundreds of aluminum disks (aluminum hard disk drives) as a gift for the various tests. Finally, after so many years, new, interesting and impressive experiments with the tesla turbine. Good job!
Agreed. Aluminum platters from old hard drives would be the way to go.
Dude hard drives would be perfect
Doesn't suggest e-waste recycling for said hdd platters....
These Tesla turbines are great and have not been used enough. The question is not how much power they generate but what is the power generated vs what power it took to create the compressed air. IMHO these turbines are best suited in water fall situations.
@@niteknight265
Tesla turbines have been in use for a long time.
Usually in the opposite way as a pump for liquids.
But not for generators, as mankind has no material that can withstand the massive centrifugal forces.
Modern turbines achieve efficiencies of over 90%, in order to achieve these efficiencies in the "industrial" framework with a Tesla turbine, the disks would have to rotate at their outermost end at a speed of more than Mach 10.
Even the most powerful titanium alloys are too weak for this.
Daaaaamn! them small pieces of plastic sure carries alot of energy.
Yeah for sure!
That turbine just grenaded!
*hmm following thought all the way*
Sooo... a clamshell of brittle steel, integrated nozzle, the turbine, a CO2 cartridge. That is flak, charge, initiator, timer all in one... a mech'anade.
@@CharlieSolis As with all inventions... it will soon enough end up in the hands of military and/or other assorted insane people =o)
@@CharlieSolis 😁
Wow! That's crazy! That thing was beautiful too
Thanks, yeah lots of work went into it. Wood actually takes more care then plastic.
What's up with tachometer? Is it destroyed?
Sadly it is, it still works but you can barely read the rpm.
how much power did you use to generate the power you produced?
That was amazing. Glad you had the knowledge to put up some protective barriers. I could see myself getting hurt with that. I NEVER would have thought that you would have had a catastrophic failure like that. It was so well built. Wow!
Yeah, I'm glad I was prepared for for the failure haha
Well built..with wood.
LOL
yeah that was probably the cd's expanding with the g force, happens a lot
Fully sent that one. Love your work and the way you just giggled after it split. Did you leave the part in the wall as a trophy? LOL
lol just gonna send it!
@@iEnergySupply that's the best way to test it. Find the weak link and resend. Love your work. I wish you was in Florida so I could pick your brain. Keep up the great work. Look forward to future updates on this project. Rock on.
U R GREAT. I WISH I COULD DO EXPERIMENTS LIKE THIS!
BIG HUGS!
Thank you! Maybe some day you can do experiments like this.
@@iEnergySupply Cylindrical Mirror with copper little tube in focus..
After you have steam, Tesla turbine connected with electric motor and flywheel..
After that the water come back .
A good flywheel can run over night..
yep yep!
😱😯😲 rapid unscheduled disassembly 👏👏
Actually it was scheduled lol one of my supporters wanted to see what would happen and offered to pay for the damages.
@@iEnergySupply 😆🤣😂😁
Did you made any aftermath? What was the speed of the outerline of the disks? Is this the 450mph?
451 MPH
I was also trying to build a tesla turbine out of I'm using CD disks as turbines. I'm a beginner. I broke it accidentally while cutting the wood. But i will try it oncr again later.
Good luck!
@@iEnergySupply thank you
There was a company that started designing Tesla turbine a pump, and the first product was to be a windshield wiper fluid pump for cars. They worked with Silicon Nitrite for turbines, for the high temperatures and strength, but went out of business. They wrote a book.
How machined and balanced was the disk assembly ? What do you determine the point of failure?
That was fun. What was it, 32krpm when it grenaded? LOL Outstanding. What kind of wattage was it putting out? 80v at what amperage? Hmm, just the DVM set up for voltage, eh?
Good thing you had that partial "blast shield", otherwise you might have had a problem with shrapnel not escaping.
Indeed. Good planning on his part. You could make a solid enclosure but I would go with a much larger one--say a 2x2x2 foot cube. More space provides more time for the shrapnel to spread out more over a larger area before impacting the shield.
How big are your discs?
4"
I think everyone should give a thumbs up for the sacrifice alone. 👍
Please attach a LOAD to the generator, something which consumes CURRENT, not just measuring the 'open voltage'. A 1 Ohm resistor, or even short the outputs and measure the current. The 'back EMF', will drastically reduce the speed.
I have seen numerous 'free running' Tesla Turbines.
We just attached a generator to our latest turbine and powered a 1000w motor, although it did it's job the generator was unbalanced so most of the power was lost to vibration. We will soon attach it directly to the shaft to demonstrate the power, we will also show the motor's amp's and volts to show the turbines potential capabilities with solid numbers.
Crazy! There must have been some intense pressures.
As much pressure as a 1/4" piece of wood can handle that was the thickness of the first stage. Remember though the pressure is reduced by the second stage so not much pressure can build up in the turbine other then the periphery of the first stage sidewalls. Not as much as you would think. The inlet was 1/2" wide by 1/32" thick. The main problem was the rotor shifting and making contact with the side walls, this caused it to rapidly heat up and make the plastic soft. The explosion was from the rotor breaking and sending that kinetic energy into the casing of the turbine.
Why don't you make the walls rotate too?
Tesla St. Nick would be proud.
Great video! I feel the issue was as the RPM increases the air travels around the housing more times taking longer to escape through the exhaust. At this point the back up of exhausted air with a continual supply causes the wooden housing to become a pressure vessel. Well done to get 40000 rpm, looking forward to see the CMC version maybe with a slightly larger exhaust and inlet. An even bigger well done to look after your own safety and use protective glass.
Gosh, what you said is exactly what we did, now we are getting these speeds with 1/100th the pressure using carbon fiber disks. It's getting better and better.
Will create a much bigger & violent explosion...
No. That is not why it exploded.
porque einstein jajajjaa@@Knight3rrant
oh my god that is so fast! i love it!
I wish I had a high speed camera.
what does two stage get you? the input velocity has little to do with output. And yo have one shaft for all stages so youre in actuality coupling the turbines not staging them ...?
In the development of power by thermo-dynamic primemovers, as steam engines and turbines, a low back pressure is essential to good economy, the performance of the machine being increased from fifty to one hundred per cent. by reducing the absolute pressure in the exhaust space from fifteen to about one pound per square inch. Turbines are particularly susceptible to such improvement and in their use for operation of power plants and manufacturing establishments the attainment and steady maintenance of high vacua has assumed great importance, every effort being made to better the conditions in this respect. The gain effected by this means is, in a large measure, dependent on the initial pressure, characteristics of the primemover, temperature of the cooling medium, cost of the condensing apparatus and many other things which are all well-known to experts.
Wow, what a great lesson to learn and live through. Thanks for sharing your experience. Good luck with your experiments!
Thank you!
This is a risk you took when making it out of wood..
A note. The picture you have in the beginning (0:04) is not a two stage Tesla Turbine, but shows 2 independent Tesla turbines running in opposite direction with a torsion string between them in order to measure the break horse power they develop between them. Also the Tesla turbine must be made out of steel and be operated with steam, everything else is quite a sub efficient design.
The Tesla turbine is designed to run on many different fluids. You can also run combustion with the Tesla turbine if done right, this we will show in the future with a metal rotor.
Would you please link a reference of the information you have provided, I am really curious to read about it.
@@iEnergySupply The information can be found in the printed book ( also can be found in pdf format ) "A New dimension for Power" (www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/335te.htm) , it is a collected articles form 1910-1920 with Tesla's interviews and explanation about his turbine. It is an excellent read not only for the Tesla turbine, but also to a glimpse at the way Tesla wast thinking. The other way of looking at Tesla's way of thinking is reading his articles, patents and "Colorado Springs Notes 1899-1900", all of them are excellent read, but you have to immerse yourself in the 19-the century way of thinking as otherwise they are not an easy read. Also take a look at the channel of Don Schmidtke, as arguably, at least in my opinion, he is the most advanced researcher in looking, in the proper way, at the Tesla Turbine:: th-cam.com/users/ourhouseisfull11videos
Interestingly the Tesla Turbine, with its characteristics as an efficient thermodynamic generator, driven with steam, to convert the energy of the standard fossil fuels to heat and transform it efficiently to mechanical motion, input to onboard electric generator, and its low mass to output power ratio appears to be the optimal way of building the cars driven with an electric motor as a drive engine and small, on board, battery pack.
@@EfficientEnergyTransformations Thank you so much for the links!
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre Do you have any material that support your theses?
This could revolutionize electricity production
that was friggin awesome!!you're doing good work here.thanks!
You need to look up Frank Germano's research into it, use nitronic steel plated with a boron carbide buffered to extreme smoothness for the discs and a stainless steel, hastelloy, nimonic, or brightray superalloys for the shaft and housing.
THAT IS if you're going for strength, heat resistance, and stress resistance.
Yeah, ill do that. We definitely need to build a metal turbine now! Ill take a look at his research.
@@iEnergySupply Let me link you his wordpress website, the archive of his original website, some turbine references, references to the materials I was talking about, and his two known contact emails.
frank@germano.com
frankdgermano@gmail.com
web.archive.org/web/20120224012212/www.frankgermano.net/teslaturbine.htm
web.archive.org/web/20121005211517/www.frankgermano.net/teslaturbine2.htm
frankgermano.wordpress.com/the-tesla-turbine/
frankgermano.wordpress.com/the-tesla-turbine-pump/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitronic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimonic
www.haynesintl.com/alloys/alloy-portfolio_
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron_carbide
web.archive.org/web/20120424175829/www.frankgermano.net/teslaturbine.htm
web.archive.org/web/20110105100042/www.frankgermano.net/theturbine.htm
patents.google.com/patent/US9835142B2/en?inventor=Frank+Germano
www.teslaengine.org/images/teba15p17.pdf
www.gyroscope.com/images/teslaturbine/TeslaTurboMachinery.pdf
@@iEnergySupply I'd also try to find out and see if he still builds them or not as well, if he does, maybe a partnership could be formed..?
Who knows.
a question, what measure does the separation of the discs?
the ideal for a 4" turbine is 1/64"
2:06
Are these your exhausts? Tesla turbines get their incredible efficiency from the exhausts being in the middle by the shaft bearings, so that the air has to fight the incredible centripetal force to get out, turning the turbine in the process.
there is a turbine, a regular turbine in the center, then there are two pumps on on each side of the turbine that evacuate the pressure in the center of the turbine.
You should run your turbine in a vacuum pump configuration. that is where tesla turbine really becomes interesting. Nobody ever tests the maximum vacuum that can be achieved but it should be really high.
Funny you should mansion that! We have been working on that and have recently done it. We are fixing vacuum leaks and building custom turbine for this purpose.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing brother!
was it 40k rpms at materials failure? i was watching in 2x so couldn't tell
Awesome, really. Keep up the good work, never give up
Thanks a lot!
You need to put loads on the generator to see if it can work in real life applications? And the spinning speed can be slow down
That explosion was no joke.
this would be a great kit for college or even late high school learning cnc milling and work on turbines and boundry layer for for a diy at home
Agreed!
That's exactly what I thought. An electric load on the generator would have been nice to get a light or boil a cup of water. Anyway great work to be proud of.👍
why connector... shaft should go straight into coil you could avoid additional vibes that way
agreed, this is implemented in our new designs.
I made an internal combustion engine out of wood, kind of like this one. The combustion part was a problem.
gosh, you could hear that internal failure compounding in oscillation, that explosion was almost easily preemptable...
yeah, we were doing a test for a friend that wanted us to go supersonic, he offered to pay for the damages.
Good attempt !
Thanks, here is a link to a working version. th-cam.com/video/MkGAKqG2qvU/w-d-xo.html
Is it crazy that the money number for these is about 70,000-80,000 rpms? At this rpm the system quiets down and is running nearly at 90% efficiency.
Close but it depends on the periphery speed of the rotor. The greater the circumference of the rotor, the greater the periphery speed per RPM. It's high periphery speed that brings out the efficiency of the machine. Generally the higher the rpm the faster the periphery although the periphery speed is dependent on the rpm times the circumference of the rotor/disks. In this case we achieved the highest periphery speed we know of, and the efficiency was much greater then we have ever seen.
came to see something exploding, not disappointed!
haha Thanks!
I can imagine Tesla actually doing the same thing during his trial runs. He did try over and over again to make it safe, resulting in bigger wheels and lower rpms. In the end Tesla somewhat gave up when he couldn't find a strong enough material.
Yeah I agree, it's important to test for failure no matter what you do.
titanium is the strongest that we know so far. but when u get into the plastic alloys then itill become interesting..
would love to order a turbine from you, however the website does not seem to work.
GoDaddy deleted our website because they didn't get my latest card information in time. They deleted the entire thing.
This reminds me of the Tesla earthquake machine on explosion. One challenge about this turbine is the material for the discs. The more we go infinitely flat, the more we expose them to warping, creeping and eventual damage as experienced by Tesla. However, in this case, the wooden housing didn't give the required protection as well so yeah, it was a housing fault but with a nice output connection whose resistive errors can be ignored for demonstration purposes
absolutely, it's all a learning process.
Imagine if your friend had been sitting on that couch.
Great video , I’m glad you had shields up but even more glad that you know WHY you use them even if there’s not an explosion every time.
Have a great day
Safety is the number one priority.
WOW that is crazy power
I could tell from the noise that this turbine wasn't going to go real fast - too much vibration. What a great demo of the power of that turbine though. Too bad you broke your speed sensor in the process.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre Yeah I would say that was fast!
Mucha presion !! Muy bueno
I liked how you could barely contain your glee at blowing up a TT
Yeah was sad and exciting at the same time lol.
@@iEnergySupply Love your content, got a new subscribe from me, keep it up!!
The stator was unbalanced , the scary bit is when a rotating object is out of balance by the weight say 5gm that 5gm is squared every 1000 RPM and your turbine was doing what RPM ?
Nice build, I hope your metal version is encased and secured to your FCc ground.
AND did you See the Video at what rpm a cd explode? At 23000 rpm
Use Tantalum sheet for make the disk
That could have been fatal if you were in that room.
Good job on the blast shields and staying TF out of that room while doing that test!
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Haha yeah, I knew the dangers. Could have been easily fatal
The first thing i see needs a big change---Tesla would NEVER have used the term "BILLIONS of DOLLARS!" Well done!
When something blows, its goood😄
yep, you always learn something haha
.... till it happens in your face...
lol explode ... nice video anyway
i am working basic tesla tubine in nature wind for generator
Yeah my brother pointed that out as well, embarrassing lol.
Wow... Just about 38K at the failure point.... That's pretty impressive given the materials. I'll be interested to see something like titanium for the rotor vs steel.... for efficiency testing and such
th-cam.com/video/oVjMJkABboM/w-d-xo.html Here we get 150000 RPM With carbonfiber.
this is in deed awe-some!!!
thanks!
Well you definitely did the destructive testing portion of your research. About 70% of the rpms you got that caused failure would be the max safe range for your design. Impressive to say the least. Make smaller ones out of aluminum and they would make awsome air driven ultra high speed milling bit tool holders.
since then we have switched to ballet proof plastic, and carbon fiber, our new speed for operation is 1400 miles per hour.
@@iEnergySupply mph.... 1400.... vroom vroom...
Try making your design with solid works then doing a FEM analysis to determine your max speed with S and E modules
What do you think about building out of Alon which is transparent aluminum. It's stronger than steel lighter and easier to machine.
It comes precast in tube or flat sheet.
It would help reduce the weight of your machine to meet your spec of 10 horsepower to one weight ratio.
I've seen suppliers for it online it comes in any thickness you want. Believe it can be machined or CNC.
today we are using carbon fiber. We got almost two times the speed of sound at 1400 MPH
Explosion may be caused by Weight balance issue ! Great works anyway. Keep up with metallic component.
Good guess, although I believe the rotor shifted, the balancing company dropped the rotor and the shaft bent, sadly, so he balanced it with a bent shaft, the shaft couldn't be centered correctly and there wasn't enough room for the rotor collars to center the shaft. I believe it hit the side walls at 35k rpm and rapidly heated up causing the centrifugal force to break the rotor apart once it became hot due to the friction.
amazing !!! do you have any how to plans :) I want to to build one!!
Coming soon to my patreon. If you would like to join, its patreon.com/ienergysupply
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And your turbine "looked" very solid and strong!!!
The power of the Tesla Turbine is amazing!
Keep pushing hard on your R&D... we know that you're onto something BIG because as you know so well, a lot of Mr. Tesla's plans and R&D are missing... and when researchers went to the museum in Belgrade... THEY WOULDN'T LET THEM LOOK AT TESLA'S DOCUMENTS!
Something very very very fishy is going on... and I believe his research was stolen because, just like his AC, he invented something even MORE SPECTACULAR WITH HIS TURBINE!
Amen
Retired, Veteran
I won't stop! Thanks for the words of encouragement. I totally believe the stuff is being hidden from us!
@@iEnergySupply Amen Jeremiah!!!
I've watched almost all of your videos at least THREE TIMES EACH and from what I can see, you have the "heart of a lion" and the dedication and commitment of Tesla... and that's what it's going to take to make the major breakthroughs that will "take you to the top!"
We want your first working system for our planned retirement home in NW Montana... so we can power everything and charge our batteries!
As soon as things start to happen for you... you'll probably be a billionaire... so don't forget us retired folk!!!! ha! ha! : )
PS: I'm also doing my R&D on the Stirling Engine so we could possibly attach it to a wood boiler and pump the heated water through our foundation for our A-Frame Solarium/Sun-room/Greenhouse Home AND generate energy at the same time (similar to the units that they've made in Switzerland but they're for commercial clients!)
But, you're work looks more promising!
Amen
Retired, Veteran
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U of Maryland found that by taking the lignin out of the wood and compressing it and heating it, the wood becomes 3 times stronger than steel. Or something.
As an engineer, that was entirely predictable. But keep up the good work!
Now you know why I had blast Shields haha
Damn buddy!!! 35k is enough lolololololololol! Wow! Keep building. That was a hell of a piece of work.
Thanks! It definitely took more time than rest of the Turbines there was a lot of sanding And painting that gloss.
I would be really interested to see some efficiency measurements, energy in Vs energy out. How does this turbine compare with a more standard impeller? What would be the energy loss if renewables were used to make compressed air? Would it be practical to use compressed air in place of batteries along side renewables? Great video with a spectacular failure\opportunity to learn.
it will be terrible , hence why there never used
Awful output vs input. Standard turbines are orders of magnitude better. But that's why all the TH-cam Tesla Turbine Videos never do quantitative measurements. They're just looking for "views" and "likes".
@@kyleb3754 Thank you, I appreciate the comment. I need to look else ware for a solution.👍
Theoretically they can reach higher levels of efficiency than regular turbines, however this is only achieved at high rpm with many discs/high surface area. Currently most materials that could be used cannot sustain their shape at the centripetal forces they would experience then.
Il genio di Tesla !
5:40 *Danger to Manifold*
This guy: "Shut up!"
Progress with metal. Metric helps for accuracy. A burst like this should not happen again. Keep safe and keep making ;))
o yeah, my new turbines have been tested many times with bullet proof plastic, this is no longer a hazard.
That's the issue with Tesla turbine, the Rome it receachs exead what materials we have can handle. If you can solve that, its an amazingly efficient design at extreme rpm. Tesla theorized if the materials could be made to handle the speeds it would be most efficient turbine for power generation.
I just wanted to note a big mistake in the video you watched. The video says the rotor must spin at a very high rpm, maybe 50,000 for a 6” turbine. The speed of a turbine is based on periphery speed not rpm. If a 6” turbine needs to spin 50,000 rpm to be efficient like the video says, that’s a periphery speed of 890.1 Miles per hour. If you want a 3 meter disk to achieve close to 891 miles per hour at the periphery, the rpm required is only 7,253. We have materials that can easily reach that speed.
NICE technique!
That was freaking wild! I agree with the comment below, Slo-mo would have been pretty cool. Thanks for this video. I sub'd
Thanks! I wish I had a slow motion camera!