@@chrisbullock6477 i paid 250 usd for 250gb 10 years ago so getting 4tb for almost that much seems worth it. But i got the 990 pro 2tb one cause it was less than half of 4tb one due to black friday deals. 4tb one didnt even have a discount.
My boot drives have always been Samsung. Never had one fail. I feel gen 4 is the sweet spot now. The heat and the size of heats inks on gen 5 don't make them practical for the average person
I'm running the 990Pro 2Tb Model as my OS and workdrive and its just awesome and blazing fast (X570 Aorus Pro & Ryzen 7 5800X3D) and it keeps in the green temps as well with the Acidalie BT01 black cooler. :)
It's probably going to be a while. I spent about 2 thousand dollars on 4x8tb 870qvo drives less than a year ago, they could be a quarter cheaper yes days.
I wonder do we need to avoid QLC on nas because their real write speed are really slowwwwww when write cache is full Usually we don't write that much data at once , but how about rebuild process ? It will fall into approx 100-150MB write speed ,that will be painfully slow
@@frankwong9486 I read somewhere about the fact that the slowliness of the Samsung QVO drives is caused by the combination of an only 4 channel controller and QLC, meaning the speed scales only with capacity up to 2tb. 4 and 8 TB drives are not getting better speeds thanks to the limited controller. I guess QLC drives as a whole aren't necessarily slow, the QVO series is just old.
@@kian8382yep , huge size ssd like koxia enterprise thing still get decent speed on QLC because they have lots of QLC flash inside populated through high channel count to made that capacity. But cheap QLC as £100/150 will not have that amount of QLC flash and the channel count , which means the speed will be really limited when write cache is full
@@kian8382 Yeah, I think the market is shifting from 2.5 SATA SSDs, almost 4 years in and the 870 QVO is still the sole 8TB 2.5. And the U.2 drives remain Enterprise targeted only so it looks like 2.5 SSDs are kind of dead in the consumer world.
Wow, thanks for taking the time…. I’m getting a 2TB SSD for my new PS5 and I’ve been debating between the WD_Black SN850 or the SN850X, the Seagate Firecuda 530 and the Samsung 990 Pro. Which one is the best for my PS5 or would you recommend another SSD instead of these three?
Thks Robbie (1 great video/day no-matter what); Hmmmm ..... brand-named SSDs/HDDs/etc are constantly getting cheaper/bigger & plus thunderbolt4/USB4/wifi7/etc are all on the way next year. If Synology don't start supporting these improvements on hardware, the other brands that dos will just take-over their market share. Oh, I likes your classic gold geek calculator watch much better than the neon pink/red wrist-watch (ex: neon is quite distracting oh boy).
Double sided ssd sucks, they can’t go in some laptops that are too thin to accommodate for double sided ssd’s. Not a problem on a desktop as they have plenty of space, but thank’s samsung for giving us high capacity single sided ssd’s.
I went for the fanxiang S880 4TB for my systems OS and Game drives when i upgraded last month @ £178.49 for the 4TB model which claims 2400 TBW and they have all exceeded the quoted read/write speeds of 7300mb/s - 6800mb/s. The old drives i stuck in PCI cards or external usb caddies. Use to be a crucial guy but last couple of years the "lower" tier producers have caught them and passed them in value and samsung have priced themselve out of the range i am willing to pay to be blunt especially with the way things are going.
Yeah the competition is getting better or simply getting the equipment of nand flash chip manufacturing. Thats why ssd prices are dropping so hard and the big producers complaining cause their profits are dropping lol. No name brands are usually 25% cheaper or more but for a casual user thats enough to forego brand tax or things like better warranty. Thing with hardware it either works or it doesnt. Always have backups for your files though.
@@Andytlp Most producers have cut production so expect to see sata ssd and nvme prices rising. I have just bought 4 more fanxiang S880 4TB to fill my asustor flashstor and a bunch of 2.5 intel 3.84tb drives off ebay to finally fill my R730.
I literally have 2 980 Pros and 2 990 pros that I purchased a year± ago. They're still brand new in their original packaging. I been seeing many posts that state that these SSDs are not good over the long haul. They're breaking and destroying themselves long before the the anticipated life cycle. Do you know of this?
prices will keep droping - they were late but at least they are here - two in a raid0 match up well with 100g/bonded 100g networking which you will only get in diy nas - totally worth it - you can use 40g and have an upgrade path if prices are an issue - 40g mellanox cards are very affordable - run dual nas not just one, use a dual port card - you want to go nvme, no question and samsung generally are bulletproof despite a few firmware issues that were addressed promptly, adding a heatsink was great advice
Did you buy the 990 pro? Had problems with temperature? I'm also taking a look on this 990 pro just for gaming on a laptop but I'm afraid it could get hot inside it
@@douglasmartins4688 I decided to go on the safe side, just a week ago finally got 2x4Tb WD Black SN850X, also got a few 1mm thermal pads for the bottom side of the SSD's, the only time they got hot was during cloning process (external SSD clone machine), but since then I am happy with the result, jumped from 3Tb to 8Tb. 👍
@@douglasmartins4688 Forgot to add, also took the chance to clean the laptop fans and replace the GPU and CPU thermal paste, because of the lint/dust amount I also purchased the IETS GT600 laptop fan, it has 2 filters underneath and the foam rest for the laptop seals the bottom nicely to prevent dust or lint from sneaking in, even at low fan speed the cpu/gpu rarely go above 75C, and since the new NVME's are right under the laptop facing the fan through openings, its cool 90% of the time.
@@douglasmartins4688 Not sure why my 2 replies do not appear, weird, but anyway, played it safe and got 2x4Tb WD Black, a few small 1mm thermal pads for the bottom part of the NVME's. The NVME's only heated a lot during cloning process but so far they are working very well, also got a laptop fan pad with filters to add with any cooling and keep dust/lint away from inner fans.
I'm on the fence. I was getting Samsung only since my first SSD, 830. Then, I got 840, 850, 860 and then NVME 970 EVO Plus, 980 Pro. However, for some reason, the NVMEs disappointment me, broke extremely fast. For the fist time I jumped to WD, took a cheap one to try it out, the SN770 and thus far proved extremely good SSD, despite the fact it's dram-less. Now, for my main one, I will either go with to 990 Pro or WD850X. I'm a little afraid of the 990 since the problems with the firmware. Should I go with the 850X, having both WDs and be done with it?
Those problems solved over half a year ago. Check the manufacturing date on the box, anything post like 2023 06 xx should come with new firmware preinstalled but i'd still update to latest.
Thanks for the video. Is there an external thunderbolt enclosure that can house a single 4TB M.2 NVME like the 990? I don’t know of any. Please help identify if you can?
Is there an enclosure you can buy for the 990 Pro with heatsink? The ones ive gound are all too small and its too much of a pain to get to my m.2 slot for an update even though the one i have has the update on it already. But for the future.
I am getting this for my AM5 platform. I don't really see the need for gen5, I just want storage space at good price, which this samsung drive certainly offers.
At least in Poland people were reporting that latest devices have already fixed firmware installed. If you are not sure just plugin Samsung drive to PC with already working Magician and doublecheck the firmware. After upgrading you are safe. Its only important to not write on that drive much before checking.
I read Polish article that they should be available in the beginning of October. I'm waiting for last half a year for this 4TB drive :) Maybe on other markets it will be sooner.
@@ysmg9010 you know what I mean tons of smaal drives but no decent cost effective 8TB drivesInstead they keep on making even more small faster drives that no one really has an advanatge off as they are no longer a bottle neck.. replacing a drive whioch isn't a BOTTLE NECK BY ANOTHER SMALL DRIVE THAT ISNT A SPEED BOTTLE NECK IS LIKE REPLACING YOU 220KMH MEREC BY A NEW ONE WHICH HAS ALL THE SAME ADVANATRGES ECEPT CAN DRIVE 330 KMH.. THE TOP SPEED IS USELESS AS YOU ARE BOTTLENECKED BY A ROAD SYSTEM THAT MAKES ANY SPEED OVER 160 HMH MOOT
Yeah.. That was my first NVMe drive. Sold it about 18 months ago for $100. Lucky me. Even then, market for that old drive was $40-60!! I now have at least 10, including about 7 Gen 4 drives.
Results are farfrom impressive, and a way lot below my own WD SN850X 4TB A-SSD test with it:6200R 6000W with 1GB file. Same results with 5GB file So those 990 Pro 3000R 4700W are REALLY in the lows The 990 4TB seems a very bad performer here
Hi! man i'm really interested in the 4TB SN850X! as an editor, i'd really love it if you could share your drive's AJA 16GB chart/graph thingy somehow, super please and thank you! for reference: 21:47 in this video shows the 16GB AJA test's graphs thank you so much if you can!
Except it's not "really dam good". You most likely refering to a QLC drive without cache - not mentioning model number her, but we both know it. Good for a data storage, but terrible as main drive or a drive holding files your are working with.
You may call PRO lineup bad, release of the 4TB version late, but you can't deny the quality and the amount of IOPS provided
Also the price right now is $290
@@chrisbullock6477It’s know $250 on Amazon so I had to get one.
@@chrisbullock6477 i paid 250 usd for 250gb 10 years ago so getting 4tb for almost that much seems worth it. But i got the 990 pro 2tb one cause it was less than half of 4tb one due to black friday deals. 4tb one didnt even have a discount.
My boot drives have always been Samsung. Never had one fail. I feel gen 4 is the sweet spot now. The heat and the size of heats inks on gen 5 don't make them practical for the average person
Not to mention the price. LoL
I went from a 1TB Samsung 980 Pro to a 4TB Silicon Power XS70 and I'm so happy i did because it's been running PHENOMENAL!
I'm running the 990Pro 2Tb Model as my OS and workdrive and its just awesome and blazing fast (X570 Aorus Pro & Ryzen 7 5800X3D) and it keeps in the green temps as well with the Acidalie BT01 black cooler. :)
how’s your lifespan/battery of the drive doing a year later?
Big fan of Samsung SSDs. Great video. Keep it up!!
Waiting for 4TB SSDs to hit £100 mark personally for NAS use, nabbing 4 x 4TB for £400, is what is reasonable for me, speed I feel is there now.
It's probably going to be a while. I spent about 2 thousand dollars on 4x8tb 870qvo drives less than a year ago, they could be a quarter cheaper yes days.
I wonder do we need to avoid QLC on nas because their real write speed are really slowwwwww when write cache is full
Usually we don't write that much data at once , but how about rebuild process ? It will fall into approx 100-150MB write speed ,that will be painfully slow
@@frankwong9486 I read somewhere about the fact that the slowliness of the Samsung QVO drives is caused by the combination of an only 4 channel controller and QLC, meaning the speed scales only with capacity up to 2tb. 4 and 8 TB drives are not getting better speeds thanks to the limited controller. I guess QLC drives as a whole aren't necessarily slow, the QVO series is just old.
@@kian8382yep , huge size ssd like koxia enterprise thing still get decent speed on QLC because they have lots of QLC flash inside populated through high channel count to made that capacity.
But cheap QLC as £100/150 will not have that amount of QLC flash and the channel count , which means the speed will be really limited when write cache is full
@@kian8382 Yeah, I think the market is shifting from 2.5 SATA SSDs, almost 4 years in and the 870 QVO is still the sole 8TB 2.5.
And the U.2 drives remain Enterprise targeted only so it looks like 2.5 SSDs are kind of dead in the consumer world.
I would LOVE to see how this performs inside a Playstation 5.
Wow, thanks for taking the time…. I’m getting a 2TB SSD for my new PS5 and I’ve been debating between the WD_Black SN850 or the SN850X, the Seagate Firecuda 530 and the Samsung 990 Pro. Which one is the best for my PS5 or would you recommend another SSD instead of these three?
I bought the WD SN850X 2TB for my PS5. Speed and performance improvement over 850 and Samsung 980. Firecuda 530 is the best one to get.
Thks Robbie (1 great video/day no-matter what);
Hmmmm ..... brand-named SSDs/HDDs/etc are constantly getting cheaper/bigger & plus thunderbolt4/USB4/wifi7/etc are all on the way next year.
If Synology don't start supporting these improvements on hardware, the other brands that dos will just take-over their market share.
Oh, I likes your classic gold geek calculator watch much better than the neon pink/red wrist-watch (ex: neon is quite distracting oh boy).
The WDX850 4TB has been around for a couple months and has recently come down in price. And its a great all around performer.
It's still 90€ more expensive than the 990 Pro 4TB in my country
@@AngryChineseWoman I guess depending on where you live you have to go with the best price. You're a winner either way which ever one you can get.
@@AngryChineseWoman WD 850 is still more expensive than 990 Pro (same 2TB) in my country
Double sided ssd sucks, they can’t go in some laptops that are too thin to accommodate for double sided ssd’s. Not a problem on a desktop as they have plenty of space, but thank’s samsung for giving us high capacity single sided ssd’s.
I went for the fanxiang S880 4TB for my systems OS and Game drives when i upgraded last month @ £178.49 for the 4TB model which claims 2400 TBW and they have all exceeded the quoted read/write speeds of 7300mb/s - 6800mb/s. The old drives i stuck in PCI cards or external usb caddies. Use to be a crucial guy but last couple of years the "lower" tier producers have caught them and passed them in value and samsung have priced themselve out of the range i am willing to pay to be blunt especially with the way things are going.
Samsung warranty is better and life of hd is longer, so it is worth the extra $$ in the long run
Yeah the competition is getting better or simply getting the equipment of nand flash chip manufacturing. Thats why ssd prices are dropping so hard and the big producers complaining cause their profits are dropping lol. No name brands are usually 25% cheaper or more but for a casual user thats enough to forego brand tax or things like better warranty. Thing with hardware it either works or it doesnt. Always have backups for your files though.
@@Andytlp Most producers have cut production so expect to see sata ssd and nvme prices rising. I have just bought 4 more fanxiang S880 4TB to fill my asustor flashstor and a bunch of 2.5 intel 3.84tb drives off ebay to finally fill my R730.
Thank you for all of the information
I literally have 2 980 Pros and 2 990 pros that I purchased a year± ago. They're still brand new in their original packaging.
I been seeing many posts that state that these SSDs are not good over the long haul. They're breaking and destroying themselves long before the the anticipated life cycle. Do you know of this?
prices will keep droping - they were late but at least they are here - two in a raid0 match up well with 100g/bonded 100g networking which you will only get in diy nas - totally worth it - you can use 40g and have an upgrade path if prices are an issue - 40g mellanox cards are very affordable - run dual nas not just one, use a dual port card - you want to go nvme, no question and samsung generally are bulletproof despite a few firmware issues that were addressed promptly, adding a heatsink was great advice
price is higher now and is still increasing. I just picked up a 2TB version of the 990Pro for £139 delivered.
I want to upgrade my storage on my laptop to 2x4tb NVME's, but heat is what worries me since there is no space for heat sinks in there.
Did you buy the 990 pro? Had problems with temperature? I'm also taking a look on this 990 pro just for gaming on a laptop but I'm afraid it could get hot inside it
@@douglasmartins4688 I decided to go on the safe side, just a week ago finally got 2x4Tb WD Black SN850X, also got a few 1mm thermal pads for the bottom side of the SSD's, the only time they got hot was during cloning process (external SSD clone machine), but since then I am happy with the result, jumped from 3Tb to 8Tb. 👍
@@douglasmartins4688 Forgot to add, also took the chance to clean the laptop fans and replace the GPU and CPU thermal paste, because of the lint/dust amount I also purchased the IETS GT600 laptop fan, it has 2 filters underneath and the foam rest for the laptop seals the bottom nicely to prevent dust or lint from sneaking in, even at low fan speed the cpu/gpu rarely go above 75C, and since the new NVME's are right under the laptop facing the fan through openings, its cool 90% of the time.
@@douglasmartins4688 Not sure why my 2 replies do not appear, weird, but anyway, played it safe and got 2x4Tb WD Black, a few small 1mm thermal pads for the bottom part of the NVME's. The NVME's only heated a lot during cloning process but so far they are working very well, also got a laptop fan pad with filters to add with any cooling and keep dust/lint away from inner fans.
Outstanding stuff there man ! Nice one well appreciated. Excellent point on writing speed consistency at just over 6k7hundred
Great video! Can't find it in 4TB variation on Amazon US site yet.
Oddly be about a month before its released.
Would the high IOPS remain if the slot is run at Gen3 speed? Don't care for the ultra fast sequential speeds because of the associated heat
A 4 lane gen 3 NVMe slot can provide 4 GB/s. Using 4 KB IOPS, that's approximately 1 million IOPS. So you will lose some of the performance.
As always, 👍👍👍 mate!
I'm on the fence. I was getting Samsung only since my first SSD, 830. Then, I got 840, 850, 860 and then NVME 970 EVO Plus, 980 Pro. However, for some reason, the NVMEs disappointment me, broke extremely fast. For the fist time I jumped to WD, took a cheap one to try it out, the SN770 and thus far proved extremely good SSD, despite the fact it's dram-less. Now, for my main one, I will either go with to 990 Pro or WD850X. I'm a little afraid of the 990 since the problems with the firmware. Should I go with the 850X, having both WDs and be done with it?
Those problems solved over half a year ago. Check the manufacturing date on the box, anything post like 2023 06 xx should come with new firmware preinstalled but i'd still update to latest.
Samsung 990 PRO 4TB or WD_Black SN850X 4TB and why? I read the WD really needs a heatsink in a PC and it runs hot. What do you think? Thanks
When putting the thermal pad for a heatsink do i remove the sticker ontop or leave it and put the pads over that?
Samsung 990 pr 4tb is available already? I thought it will be released on october
The 990 is the fastest drive out there right now. Plus it’s one of the few ( only?) drives that offers encryption.
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Thanks for the video. Is there an external thunderbolt enclosure that can house a single 4TB M.2 NVME like the 990? I don’t know of any. Please help identify if you can?
got 4 of these, topmost m2 slot i have is still unoccupied since it's Gen5 and I don't agree with Gen5 pricing (yet).
Which profile were you using for crystal disc?
How long does that speed last for before it drops. Does it have a cache and how much cache does it have
Should the 4TB version be as fast as the 2TB version? Or can it theoretically be slower as it has more capacity but not more cells?
Definitely slower here
@@dricksdricksonly169
could you post your WD SN850X 4TB's 16GB AJA test graphs? like in a video on your channel or something?
Need some advice I have two of these in a raid 0 array is it necessary I have it in a ASUS m16 laptop should I undo it ? Or leave it alone ?
Is there an enclosure you can buy for the 990 Pro with heatsink? The ones ive gound are all too small and its too much of a pain to get to my m.2 slot for an update even though the one i have has the update on it already. But for the future.
Any recommandations for SSD NAS except for the Flashtor? My DS214+ is getting a bit old...
How does it perform on a ps5?
Is it time for an update on the best available for the PS5, and if any gen5 stuff coming might give good results?
Yea for ps5 pro
Have you done any tests with the ps5?
No need to get this; I looked up the GM7000, and the specs are almost the exact same, no big difference, and that cost $50.
please check Crucial T500 and maybe compare it to this?
I am getting this for my AM5 platform. I don't really see the need for gen5, I just want storage space at good price, which this samsung drive certainly offers.
Are the 990s still coming with issues? They used to have problems several months ago
At least in Poland people were reporting that latest devices have already fixed firmware installed. If you are not sure just plugin Samsung drive to PC with already working Magician and doublecheck the firmware. After upgrading you are safe. Its only important to not write on that drive much before checking.
what about sustained reads when its at say.. 50% capacity in a ps5? i wonder how it performs then
Once mine arrives my Thinkpad T16 will be upgraded.
When is it coming out? All I heard was later this week
I read Polish article that they should be available in the beginning of October. I'm waiting for last half a year for this 4TB drive :) Maybe on other markets it will be sooner.
US$345. Overpriced but glad it exists.
Do you know what in many Samsung SSD sticker is not only sticker but heatsink? and you remove it.
never test using 1gb sample, that data never will leave cache area
Paid $250 for my 960 EVO, but only 500 GB! :/
Idiot alert
and they're not available for purchase again
To be fair, I think it's still going to be available on Amazon quickly and regularly (keep getting alerts, as I've added it to a black Friday video)
Gen 4 is fast enough, but 4TB is not vast enough.
where are the 8TB drives?
everything you are asking for already exists.
- m.2 8TiB ... 3-4x the price (Corsair MP600, Sabrent Rocket)
- SATA 8TiB ... same price (Samsung 870 QVO)
- HDD 3.5" 8TiB .... half the price (Seagate, WD, Toshiba)
@@ysmg9010 you know what I mean tons of smaal drives but no decent cost effective 8TB drivesInstead they keep on making even more small faster drives that no one really has an advanatge off as they are no longer a bottle neck.. replacing a drive whioch isn't a BOTTLE NECK BY ANOTHER SMALL DRIVE THAT ISNT A SPEED BOTTLE NECK IS LIKE REPLACING YOU 220KMH MEREC BY A NEW ONE WHICH HAS ALL THE SAME ADVANATRGES ECEPT CAN DRIVE 330 KMH.. THE TOP SPEED IS USELESS AS YOU ARE BOTTLENECKED BY A ROAD SYSTEM THAT MAKES ANY SPEED OVER 160 HMH MOOT
youtubers say Too Little, Too Late? but in real life thy sell very good so anser is No its not Too Little, Too Late.
q1t1 so high???
I've got a 980 Pro and just ordered a 990 Pro. The best SSDs ever. My PC fly in terms of responsiveness.
I still use a 950 pro, in 2015 it was $350 for 512 GB so I'd say the 990 is cheap
Yeah.. That was my first NVMe drive. Sold it about 18 months ago for $100. Lucky me. Even then, market for that old drive was $40-60!! I now have at least 10, including about 7 Gen 4 drives.
Results are farfrom impressive, and a way lot below my own WD SN850X 4TB
A-SSD test with it:6200R 6000W with 1GB file. Same results with 5GB file
So those 990 Pro 3000R 4700W are REALLY in the lows
The 990 4TB seems a very bad performer here
Hi! man i'm really interested in the 4TB SN850X! as an editor, i'd really love it if you could share your drive's AJA 16GB chart/graph thingy somehow, super please and thank you!
for reference: 21:47 in this video shows the 16GB AJA test's graphs
thank you so much if you can!
capacity is where they should keep pushing for, we have enough speed.
yea its too late
crucial had a 4 tb gen 4 on sale for 150
its really dam good
Except it's not "really dam good".
You most likely refering to a QLC drive without cache - not mentioning model number her, but we both know it.
Good for a data storage, but terrible as main drive or a drive holding files your are working with.
Umm, just can't trust that brand name anymore. IMO.
Why?