Can't wait to hear how the lost one's power comes from some rock he found. Then we get to find out that the rock is only a small fragment of some greater entity's power. Then that greater entity is only part of a collective group where he's the weakest among them. Then the one who originally created that collective is now coming back because he wants to rule the universe or something. And it'll take the avengers to stop him, by using even more magical rocks hooked up to random technology.
@@godslayer8894 Wait... did the Beyonders not create the multiverse anymore? Because if they made the multiverse, that lead to the creation of the Celestials across the multiverse. So... how could the Celestials create the one who created the Beyonders?
@@gregwessendorf it makes perfect sense the celestials were created in the first Multiverse the beyonders were created in the second Multiverse which the ruins of that Multiverse became the Beyond
@@jcheck1107 it was the first class of celestials who created the lost one who's then went on to create the beyonders which he is never mentioned because they are trying to erase any knowledge there is about him
Eventually, we will meet The Found One. The Lost One and The Found One together form the ultimately cosmic entity known as Lost & Found. They exist in a secret dimension where all the universe’s missing socks are waiting to be found.
I dunno, man. Hickman worked really hard to contextualize, through good writing, and many years of story telling, how powerful the Beyonders were relative to the upper echelon of Marvel's Cosmology. And it made sense. Plus, it took Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange, and the Molecule Man using guile, trickery, and a lot of planning to finally beat them. And then to come in and be like "And then, and then, this guy is stronger than them because he made them, but but he's so strong, like, his power level is so high, not even they can beat him". Which will only make it more ridiculous when a child Beyonder and the Avengers (not even the Multiversal Avengers) to beat this guy.
In Superman's "Strange Visitor" storyline from back in the day the goddess Kismet told Kal-El "No matter how powerful you are there will ALWAYS be someone stronger", and given what transpired in The Reckoning War I'm not surprised "A new combatant has entered the arena"
Insane that the most powerful being in the multiverse immediately has an issue with random humans. Who would have guessed? Who do these gods always have so much trouble with just a regular person who they can literally blink out of existence.
@@SamaelMorningstar69 don't get me wrong. Anime has its own share of poor writing. This is what happens when you are forced to keep a story going, instead of finishing it. It ends up being Dragonball. There is always a bigger power or an alternate reality.
OmG! This character is sure to cause major ramifications that will reshape the whole Marvel Universe landscape. Nothing will ever be the same! Until next month's event when the whole Marvel universe is once again threated to be wiped out by a Brand New Cosmic character that is stronger then Thanos, the Beyonders, the Celestials... u get the idea lol
Ngl, I don't like this Beyonders retcon. I honestly liked the idea of the Beyonders not having a clear origin. They're just these omnipotent aliens with no origin that just *are.* Living beyond the barriers of reality, probing at existence itself merely out of sheer curiosity or boredom. It made them nearly Lovecraftian, and I liked it An idea I had for the Beyonders would be that the One Above All was, in fact, a single Beyonder, or group of them that merged, to create the Marvel Omniverse for one reason or another, and maybe the other Beyonders were intrigued or disgusted by Creation or something.
Yeah, me too. But one of the greatest writers currently at Marvel made that retcon that the Celestials made them. Which is conflicting. He is writing a lot of cosmic stuff to make sense of things instead of leaving them vague, I don't know how to feel about it. Sometimes it's cool, sometime's not.
@@subject8776 see it doesn't make sense to me that the celestials made them and then in Secret Wars we see 3 beyonders absolutely WRECK the entirety of the celestial host in multiple universes at once
@@keybearer26 It's explained in Defenders Beyond and in the video that the Celestials made the Beyonders stronger than themselves as a fail safe. It's a shitty explanation but it's there.
@@subject8776 Damn...that really is a crappy explanation lol. I might just go back to reading DC for a while, marvel ain't saucin' to me except for the King in black story lines and the X-Men
That is only part one, no answer to Madam Webb or Morlens people who eat Spider Totems. The Spider Verse includes them most not 616 but our club needs a focal point that is Miles ( for now) for their problems.
Across the Spider Verse is a movie, in another universe with other sets of rules. Why should Marvel Comics even glance for ideas from Sony's movie? Comics don't get their ideas from movies, flip it.
@DabbzGaming you didn't pay attention to the movie. It connects the comic, sonyverse, and mcu. Hell, both this movie and the comic had shown that everything Marvel is in one multiverse, even Rob stated it multiple times. So if America Chavez from the mcu says she doesn't have a variant, we know that isn't true. How about mcu, comic, and the spiderverse using 616 for three peter? You can see how people can get confused. Hell, this mile universe is 1610, but that's the ultimate unifrom this mile universe.
It'd be awesome to see a tier list of Marvel's cosmic hierarchy. Reality warpers, gods and cosmic entities, characters with insane power ups, all ranked. Astral Regulator Thanos, The One Above All, HOTU Thanos, White Phoenix of the Crown, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, the Living Tribunal, God Emperor Doom, Matthew Malloy, Chaos King, Mad Jim Jaspers, the Marquis of Death. Nobody off limits. It'd be cool trying to determine if Franklin Richards could beat Michael Korvac, or who's stronger between Rune King Thor and Chaos War Hercules. A video like that would be pretty long, and would have to cover something like 50 characters or more I'd imagine, so it's a big ask. A lot of them would be characters you've already covered in the Beyond Omega Level series, it would just be a matter of ranking them. That would be insanely awesome and I think if there's a guy on TH-cam who can do it, it's you.
@@CoreIreland This is the right answer. The hierarchy of Marvel comics changes with the generation. One writer will put this character on a pedestal. Another writer will put another character on a pedestal. A third writer will set everyone back on the same playing field. So on, so forth, that's how it's worked basically since the 80's and 90's. They have to do it this way to keep things fresh and make every new story have substance and weight. Just gotta suspend your belief and remember these are fantasy stories that aren't supposed to make 100% sense and try to be the kid inside yourself to enjoy them for what they are.
@@bosstechnology23 yes it is way better, because think off it like this. the Celestials created the beyonders to keep the celestials in check, then how the fck did they manage to one shot TLT? the celestials combined are ants to TLT so how can they conjure something that is trillions off times more powerfull then themselves? i agree that this explenation sucks aswell, but it makes more sense that a super god we have never seen before who argualy is stronger then even TLT made them then the Celestials
I prefer Al Ewing's explanation in Defenders Vol 6 and Defenders: Beyond, especially when it ties into concepts like The King in Black and Eddie's 7th form (The Eventuality). It's frustrating when different writers piggyback off his ideas and then contradict them. It reminds me of the Jim Stalin vs. Donny Cates Thanos stories, where both writers depicted Thanos winning, released around the same time. In Defenders Beyond, it's clarified that the Beyonders source their energy from the White Hot Room, one of the highest planes of existence beyond the Multiverse. This realm is also the primary domain of the Phoenix Force, but it's hinted that the true Phoenix Force shares the space with at least two other beings, possibly serving an even higher entity. So one could argue that the Beyonders might be perceived as stealing their power. However, I often feel that other writers ignore what Al Ewing has created and create inferior clones of his concepts. Even if this new threat or enemy is related to the Celestials, it still bothers me. Even if editorial smoothes it out later on, it'll still bother me.
@@matthewschwartz6607 Yes, the Beyonders introduced in Jonathan Hickman's Avengers, New Avengers, and the "Time Runs Out" event from 2014-2015 are the same Beyonders I'm referring to. The Beyonder from the original 1980s Secret Wars storyline and subsequent retcons is essentially a newly born child Beyonder who went through a unique developmental cycle. The Beyonders, also known as the Ivory Kings, Kings in White, Beyonder Race, or Those who live in the beyond, are multidimensionally transcendental beings. They don't have a fixed shape or form and can appear as they please. In "Time Runs Out" and the lead-up to "Secret Wars" (2015), they manifested on a higher-dimensional plane above the normal Multiverse, allowing them to take on more otherworldly and alien appearances. Their purpose for entering the Multiverse was to destroy the Cosmic Aspects (such as Eternity, Infinity, Death, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Mistress Love, Lord Hate, The Living Tribunal) and various higher cosmic beings (like the Celestials) to prevent them from interfering with the Beyonders' grand experiment. That's the best in-universe explanation for their altered appearance. From an out-of-universe perspective, it simply boils down to artistic creative license-the artists wanted to depict them differently than before.
@@lucariomew365 It's because the beyonder already retconned his or their origins into a being that live in the second cosmos, until the finale issue the beyonder managed to break free from the retcon and become the original beyonder ( pre retcon ) version
@@Vincesjones yeah, but it actually establishes that it still does follow Defenders: Beyond. This Beyonder confirms he had came back from exploring outside the Omniverse to the Avengers. And yes, it turns out that Current Beyonder’s powers work exactly like Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s powers do. He literally embodies his entire realm. The caveat is that he is not the only one who does, they all do (actually each of them separately embody the beyondverse-the others just don't care to be as flashy and _voluntarily_ stay within the narrative). So, I guess it’s a Gesalt ordeal where he and the other Beyonder’s share a realm of power. How that works in division is not entirely clear, but we are still essentially working with a fraction of infinite power, so I don’t think that detail matters much. But none of that matters when the continuity is once again a mess. What matters though is that Beyonder confirms this takes place after Defenders: Beyond and that his powers work the exact same way as Pre-Retcon Beyonder does."
Omega beyonder may similliar to pre retcon version but he's not the embodiment of his own realm. it's never been directly stated unlike pre retcon beyonder
I prefer Ewing's version of the beyonders origin honestly. It doesn't require creating another overpowered threat. This reminds me of the black winter from Donny Cates run on Thor and how it was an annoying retcon to Galactus origins.
Tony Stark vocalizes my exact problem with Marvel (and DC's) storytelling lately and all these astronomically powerful beings they keep introducing when he basically says "What are WE supposed to do?". These stories either sideline many of your favorite characters or they end up fighting boosted versions of the same enemies they've already fought because they can't possibly contend with the real threat. Why even have that real threat out there if you need crap like the Unipower or the power of hope (or whatever) to defeat it? I want to see Tony Stark build a suit or Captain America come up with a plan or somebody learn a new way to use their powers. I know there are stories out there for that but these big cosmic events don't tend to offer anything except for a flamboyant way to alter the status quo for the future. The whole King In Black event felt less about that super powerful being they had to have (Knull) and more about what they wanted to do with Eddie for future stories. King in Black existed as a transition to that and the ending was as disappointing as I expect this one to be.
“The Lost One” looks a lot like the personification of the DC Universe (one of “The Brothers”) in DC/Marvel, and Amalgam Comics. Unlikely, but possible since Doomsday Clock teased “Secret Crisis” with Thor and Hulk.
Clarification: "According to the writer, Derek Landy, the continuity conflict may be resolved by Avengers Beyond #5. The Celestials created the Lost One, who then created the Beyonders. The Beyonders tried to erase the Lost One, so they claimed the Celestials had created them directly."
I will never ever accept any other Marvel character being more powerful than TOAA. It just shouldn't be. Nor does it make sense for Beyonders to get hurt. No way. No fucking way. These writers are so fucking bad.
This is why I never had the motivation to get into comics. This is fast and furious level writing. “The strongest character in the marvel universe is the one above all… just kidding someone beat him. It’s this other guy that you’ve never heard about”
@@grantpowell4135 They are going to need Batman level plot armour even if they combine their powers to stand in front of him or else you know what is going to happen lol.
Why doesn't the Beyonder just gift every Earth Hero with powers almost equal to his and let them try and fight the Lost One? Surely it would be a fight almost on par with the one the Lost One...lost against his Beyonder creations?
The last one is not the most powerful being he was created by the celestials which was confirmed by the writer as this takes place before Defenders Beyond but he certainly is one of the most powerful characters
From the wiki: "According to the writer, Derek Landy, the continuity conflict may be resolved by Avengers Beyond #5. The Celestials created the Lost One, who then created the Beyonders. The Beyonders tried to erase the Lost One, so they claimed the Celestials had created them directly." As for beings creating things more powerful than themselves, we humans already do that, machines, bombs etc.
For someone who has powers beyond the multiverse, it's weird that he can't find people. Shouldn't a being like him achieved omnipotence? Like it's weird to me that these unimaginable powers/beings have such small scale struggles.
I mean just look at the Abrahamic god. He’s supposed to be all powerful but he ends up jealous and petty showing his limited onciscience and arguably more his omnibenelovence
Gotta love it, within the last year the Beyonders were said to have been created by the Celestials as a fail safe for them, now they’re saying it was the Lost One…make a decision Marvel editorial…oh wait it’ll turn out the Lost One is a Celestial to help tie up that lose end
Don't be scared of women, it only shows your insecurity, she's literally a henchman of the Lost One which means she's not the strongest. The more afraid of women with power, the weaker you sound.
That picture of The Beyonder @2:31 getting yanked, as Rob so eloquently put it, looks like he really needs a nap and a glass of water before he can do anything else.
It's Rob's job to be excited, he delivered the hype and we all know that the move to make every Marvel character Beyond Omega Level is the best thing coming out of DC Rebirth, but to quote a really old guy, "c'mon man!". Nothing makes sense, the Sentry's been nerfed, Galactus doesn't count as an undercard fight and if Al Ewing helps with this story the new big bad will get bslapped by Blue Marvel.
What doesn’t make sense is they introduce all these overly powerful characters bt there so powerful we never see a real, logical fight because their like “beyond comprehension” and we know they are still going to somehow be beat by a bs plot device. It’s like all that build up for no satisfaction for the fans.
This has me interested. While Al Ewing did some really interesting things that i do like in his Ultimate Beyonders, such as their reality being layers from a single universe up to the one above all, there were a few things that seemed odd or didnt sit right. One, is that the Celestials made the Beyonders. How did the Celestials make the Beyonders, if the Beyonders are exponentially more powerfully than the Celestials? That is unless the Celestials in the very first universe are leagues above the celestials we have now, but itd still mean that those OG Celestials would have to be more powerful than the beyonders. Which, if theyre THAT far and above the current Celestials, i think they should have some way of distinguishing them. The other is that the one above all is no longer that, the one above everything. Hes just the one above everything over here. Which opens up the door to a "one above all" for that one, and another for that one, and so on. It reminds me a bit of DG, there's always another guy further up the totem pole. First was Kami, then King Kai, then Grand Kai, then Supreme Kai, then Grand Supreme Kai (though that got retcon a bit) and then Zeno. Im still not convinced that there isnt someone above Zeno, other than Tori-bot, but i digress. It would have been "easier" to keep the one above all as the one above everything, and just keep "exploring" the infinite gap between him and anyone else. And its not like the one above all ever really intervenes in any grand, deus ex machina way. So whatver writer could introduce another villian thats still above every villain before, and the suspense and weight is still there because nobody is expexting the one above all to swoop in and save the day.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who is bothered by there being someone even more powerful by such a landslide. At some point, things just lose significance. And why is his name the lost one if he was before the omniverse? Will there be other ones who couldn't find him?
Derek Landy loves having secret powerful villains called "something" one/s Faceless Ones in Skullduggery and Lost One in Avengers...its cool to see his writing tropes in Marvel now
Before Civil War was released, I thought it was possible Daniel Bruhl was playing The Autocrat. I'm glad it was Zemo but I would have been happy with Autocrat, too.
If the right hand (woman) is so strong and beating them up, how does she get captured so easily (let alone contained) after causing the beyonder to bleed?
Omniverse and Multiverse are still 2 different things, its not Marvel writers being lazy its done for a reason. Also did you notice how the Lost One looked almost exactly like the Fused Multiverse Gods from the old Amalgam comics where DC vs Marvel. this guy is one of them a Multiverse God or a cast out God of the Omniverse
The way he mentioned infinite and infinity and the way the omegas were mentioned before. The ivory king, omegas, infinities and beyonders are all the same race of cosmic beings.
Wait, hold up. The Beyonders are powerful enough to reshape reality on a multiversal scale but there's someone who's even more powerful than that?? And if this one woman can wreck the entire team, how the hell are they supposed to defeat a guy who is more powerful than the Beyonders??? 😐
Captain America just needs to show that he won't qui,t even in the face of insurmountable cosmic powers, which will impress the Lost One and he'll respect all sentient life as a result and vanish into the void.
@@lancekemal8989 which characters has defeated him btw? I only remember Dr doom defeating them in new Avengers and the living tribunal in classic days.
What do you think since he’s Batman? Whose beaten pretty much everyone in DC you can think of with just his brain, fighting skills and tech. Including both allies and villains who are way more powerful than him due to their insane powers like Darkside and Superman 😅
Not gonna lie this writting seems really lazy. Beyonders shouldve never been touched. I liked not knowing much about them. It was way more interesting.
5:58 exactly, it also affects the role of king in black. King in black and king in white are opposites and help in maintenance of uni. So what's the point if one stole it while the other proclaims they always were like that.
Amazing piece of work by the artist, Marvel has done it again! I’ve always wanted to know where did the “Beyonders” came me from? It makes sense to tell a story where even “Oblivion” couldn’t do anything to stop the Beyonders!
What really burned me out about comics and super heroes. Is the whole, "OH WE HAVE TO DEFEAT THIS PLANETARY THREAT!" to "OH NOW WE HAVE THE HAVE OUR UNIVERSE!!" to "OH NOW WE HAVE TO SAVE THE ALTERNATIVE TIMELINES AND THE INTERGALACTIC THREAT." like oh brother..
A beyond infused Ebony Maw, sounds terrifying. Comic Book version, Ebony Maw. The Ebony Maw that doesnt have to lift a finger just tell people to do things like unleash Shuma-Gorath.
Wait, are you serious? The return of The Black Order? Oh I'm SO in! Anything that Hickman's involved in, anything he taken over writing duties, or the writing he's taken over the book e.g., The FF, Avengers/New Avengers, Infinity, & The X-Men: HOX/POX. Claremont was The greatest writer for decades, but now Hickman's the guy. All 3 of his most recent books have been game changers. I wish he'd stayed on and continued his run on the X-Men, because that run was way too short
Rob the Mutiverse and Omniverse are two different concepts. The writers know what they're saying. The Omniverse is an infinite collection of Multiverses. It's never been changed. So them saying that The Lost One is a being that existed before the Omniverse existed proves that he is ridiculously op. The Beyonders used the Multiverse as an experiment and the original Beyonder used the Multiverse as a toy. The Lost One (by the writer's intent) is far more powerful then all of them. Meaning that this guy an omniversal threat and would slap 98% of DC.
Can't wait to hear how the lost one's power comes from some rock he found. Then we get to find out that the rock is only a small fragment of some greater entity's power. Then that greater entity is only part of a collective group where he's the weakest among them. Then the one who originally created that collective is now coming back because he wants to rule the universe or something. And it'll take the avengers to stop him, by using even more magical rocks hooked up to random technology.
Couldn't think of a better breakdown. Nice job
Lmao thats an epic breakdown.
Marvel history in one comment lol
The Marvel plot template.
Cosmic fuxkup
The most powerful being until next year when they need another one
The Lost One created the beyonders and the celestials created The Lost One he's not the most powerful but he's definitely one of them
@@godslayer8894 Wait... did the Beyonders not create the multiverse anymore? Because if they made the multiverse, that lead to the creation of the Celestials across the multiverse. So... how could the Celestials create the one who created the Beyonders?
@@gregwessendorf it’s all in flux now so basically just wait and see. I call that bad writing direction but it is what it is
@@gregwessendorf it makes perfect sense the celestials were created in the first Multiverse the beyonders were created in the second Multiverse which the ruins of that Multiverse became the Beyond
@@jcheck1107 it was the first class of celestials who created the lost one who's then went on to create the beyonders which he is never mentioned because they are trying to erase any knowledge there is about him
Eventually, we will meet The Found One. The Lost One and The Found One together form the ultimately cosmic entity known as Lost & Found. They exist in a secret dimension where all the universe’s missing socks are waiting to be found.
Lost and found sounds bad ass
Marvel should include him in a comic
My socks 😭😭😂😂😂😂😂
I dunno, man. Hickman worked really hard to contextualize, through good writing, and many years of story telling, how powerful the Beyonders were relative to the upper echelon of Marvel's Cosmology. And it made sense. Plus, it took Dr. Doom, Dr. Strange, and the Molecule Man using guile, trickery, and a lot of planning to finally beat them. And then to come in and be like "And then, and then, this guy is stronger than them because he made them, but but he's so strong, like, his power level is so high, not even they can beat him".
Which will only make it more ridiculous when a child Beyonder and the Avengers (not even the Multiversal Avengers) to beat this guy.
In Superman's "Strange Visitor" storyline from back in the day the goddess Kismet told Kal-El "No matter how powerful you are there will ALWAYS be someone stronger", and given what transpired in The Reckoning War I'm not surprised "A new combatant has entered the arena"
Congrats you just summed up Marvel's plot template to a tee.
But David Hasselhoff came first right?😂(I'm sorry I can't let go of how much the OG Beyonder looks like him.)🤣
At the end of this story it.... Wraps back around in your comments favor.
@@SchizmKing It is Greg Land as the artist, so he probably traced, I mean "used that image as a reference".
Marvel is introducing their new most OP being every week like they’re a new Smash Bros. character.
I swear man no comic book character has been retconned more than the beyonder
Hawkman, Huntress and Power Girl etc, are all good contenders for the title.
Hawkman, Huntress and Power Girl etc, are all good contenders for the title.
Hulk has. Hulk has been retconned like 10 times in massive ways.
@@lancekemal8989 Looks like Marvel's going with Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk run as the definitive retcon for Hulk
@@callmestorm23 The best version IMO. The original Hulk was more like a Werewolf
Insane that the most powerful being in the multiverse immediately has an issue with random humans. Who would have guessed? Who do these gods always have so much trouble with just a regular person who they can literally blink out of existence.
cause writers are racists
Because of plot
Poor writing.
@@IzelorWell Not Really MidNime Fan Dog
@@SamaelMorningstar69 don't get me wrong. Anime has its own share of poor writing. This is what happens when you are forced to keep a story going, instead of finishing it. It ends up being Dragonball. There is always a bigger power or an alternate reality.
Marvel 5 Years later: Before the lost one, there is the found one.....
Outside the outsideverse
After two more year
There is whole species of one above all🗿
@@zainulabideen5490and before The One Above all species they had a progenitor, The One and All. 😂
I love it when they do stories about cosmic entities and Gods. Can't wait for Hickman to knock it outta the park
I think that he’s going to mostly be dealing with the Ultimates.
@@matthewschwartz6607 but won't they be fighting the Gods? I'd be surprised if they did a comic titled Gods and it wasn't about any of them
Some things just need no explanation. They are beyond, that's all we needed to know.
OmG! This character is sure to cause major ramifications that will reshape the whole Marvel Universe landscape. Nothing will ever be the same! Until next month's event when the whole Marvel universe is once again threated to be wiped out by a Brand New Cosmic character that is stronger then Thanos, the Beyonders, the Celestials... u get the idea lol
Ngl, I don't like this Beyonders retcon. I honestly liked the idea of the Beyonders not having a clear origin. They're just these omnipotent aliens with no origin that just *are.* Living beyond the barriers of reality, probing at existence itself merely out of sheer curiosity or boredom. It made them nearly Lovecraftian, and I liked it
An idea I had for the Beyonders would be that the One Above All was, in fact, a single Beyonder, or group of them that merged, to create the Marvel Omniverse for one reason or another, and maybe the other Beyonders were intrigued or disgusted by Creation or something.
Yeah, me too. But one of the greatest writers currently at Marvel made that retcon that the Celestials made them. Which is conflicting. He is writing a lot of cosmic stuff to make sense of things instead of leaving them vague, I don't know how to feel about it. Sometimes it's cool, sometime's not.
@@subject8776 see it doesn't make sense to me that the celestials made them and then in Secret Wars we see 3 beyonders absolutely WRECK the entirety of the celestial host in multiple universes at once
@@keybearer26 100 celestials are beneath Beyonder makes little sense
@@keybearer26 It's explained in Defenders Beyond and in the video that the Celestials made the Beyonders stronger than themselves as a fail safe. It's a shitty explanation but it's there.
@@subject8776 Damn...that really is a crappy explanation lol. I might just go back to reading DC for a while, marvel ain't saucin' to me except for the King in black story lines and the X-Men
Doom is somewhere out there plotting for that next blunt hit lol
Marvel really need to make their multiverse consistent even more due to across the spider verse that connects everything.
That is only part one, no answer to Madam Webb or Morlens people who eat Spider Totems. The Spider Verse includes them most not 616 but our club needs a focal point that is Miles ( for now) for their problems.
Spider totems are Just the beings created by the Spider goddess, the daughter of Gaia. Gaia being one of the primordial beings created by the demiurge
Across the Spider Verse is a movie, in another universe with other sets of rules. Why should Marvel Comics even glance for ideas from Sony's movie? Comics don't get their ideas from movies, flip it.
@DabbzGaming you didn't pay attention to the movie. It connects the comic, sonyverse, and mcu. Hell, both this movie and the comic had shown that everything Marvel is in one multiverse, even Rob stated it multiple times. So if America Chavez from the mcu says she doesn't have a variant, we know that isn't true. How about mcu, comic, and the spiderverse using 616 for three peter? You can see how people can get confused. Hell, this mile universe is 1610, but that's the ultimate unifrom this mile universe.
@@djmaydraws3862 what does this have to do with the movie, I know all of this
It'd be awesome to see a tier list of Marvel's cosmic hierarchy. Reality warpers, gods and cosmic entities, characters with insane power ups, all ranked. Astral Regulator Thanos, The One Above All, HOTU Thanos, White Phoenix of the Crown, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, the Living Tribunal, God Emperor Doom, Matthew Malloy, Chaos King, Mad Jim Jaspers, the Marquis of Death. Nobody off limits. It'd be cool trying to determine if Franklin Richards could beat Michael Korvac, or who's stronger between Rune King Thor and Chaos War Hercules.
A video like that would be pretty long, and would have to cover something like 50 characters or more I'd imagine, so it's a big ask. A lot of them would be characters you've already covered in the Beyond Omega Level series, it would just be a matter of ranking them. That would be insanely awesome and I think if there's a guy on TH-cam who can do it, it's you.
Ty for mentioning white phoenix of the Crown♥️
Most powerful? Whoever is the next focus of the MCU.
@@CoreIreland This is the right answer. The hierarchy of Marvel comics changes with the generation. One writer will put this character on a pedestal. Another writer will put another character on a pedestal. A third writer will set everyone back on the same playing field. So on, so forth, that's how it's worked basically since the 80's and 90's. They have to do it this way to keep things fresh and make every new story have substance and weight.
Just gotta suspend your belief and remember these are fantasy stories that aren't supposed to make 100% sense and try to be the kid inside yourself to enjoy them for what they are.
@@MistahBufo Good answer. Thanks for your insight
Deadpool would win. Unless Batman finds his way into the Marvel universe, then I pick Batman.
Anyone else catch the Beyonder looking a hell of a lot like Henry Cavill?
Anyone remember him looking like prime Hasselhoff?
I think this was what Michael Jackson was going for.
The beyonders coming from the lost one is 10000x better than if theyre coming from the celestials
Nah.
@@bosstechnology23 yes it is way better, because think off it like this.
the Celestials created the beyonders to keep the celestials in check, then how the fck did they manage to one shot TLT? the celestials combined are ants to TLT so how can they conjure something that is trillions off times more powerfull then themselves?
i agree that this explenation sucks aswell, but it makes more sense that a super god we have never seen before who argualy is stronger then even TLT made them then the Celestials
celestials made this bitc h
@@bosstechnology23fym “nah”
like… yes bruh… cope 💀💀😂😂
Hickman being used to set the house in order sounds about right. His pen is godly.
I prefer Al Ewing's explanation in Defenders Vol 6 and Defenders: Beyond, especially when it ties into concepts like The King in Black and Eddie's 7th form (The Eventuality). It's frustrating when different writers piggyback off his ideas and then contradict them. It reminds me of the Jim Stalin vs. Donny Cates Thanos stories, where both writers depicted Thanos winning, released around the same time.
In Defenders Beyond, it's clarified that the Beyonders source their energy from the White Hot Room, one of the highest planes of existence beyond the Multiverse. This realm is also the primary domain of the Phoenix Force, but it's hinted that the true Phoenix Force shares the space with at least two other beings, possibly serving an even higher entity. So one could argue that the Beyonders might be perceived as stealing their power.
However, I often feel that other writers ignore what Al Ewing has created and create inferior clones of his concepts. Even if this new threat or enemy is related to the Celestials, it still bothers me. Even if editorial smoothes it out later on, it'll still bother me.
I’m confused about The Beyonders? Are The Hickman Beyonders the same Beyonders that we saw in the 1980’s? They were GREEN then!
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Yes, the Beyonders introduced in Jonathan Hickman's Avengers, New Avengers, and the "Time Runs Out" event from 2014-2015 are the same Beyonders I'm referring to.
The Beyonder from the original 1980s Secret Wars storyline and subsequent retcons is essentially a newly born child Beyonder who went through a unique developmental cycle.
The Beyonders, also known as the Ivory Kings, Kings in White, Beyonder Race, or Those who live in the beyond, are multidimensionally transcendental beings. They don't have a fixed shape or form and can appear as they please.
In "Time Runs Out" and the lead-up to "Secret Wars" (2015), they manifested on a higher-dimensional plane above the normal Multiverse, allowing them to take on more otherworldly and alien appearances. Their purpose for entering the Multiverse was to destroy the Cosmic Aspects (such as Eternity, Infinity, Death, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Mistress Love, Lord Hate, The Living Tribunal) and various higher cosmic beings (like the Celestials) to prevent them from interfering with the Beyonders' grand experiment.
That's the best in-universe explanation for their altered appearance. From an out-of-universe perspective, it simply boils down to artistic creative license-the artists wanted to depict them differently than before.
@@lucariomew365 It's because the beyonder already retconned his or their origins into a being that live in the second cosmos, until the finale issue the beyonder managed to break free from the retcon and become the original beyonder ( pre retcon ) version
@@Vincesjones yeah, but it actually establishes that it still does follow Defenders: Beyond. This Beyonder confirms he had came back from exploring outside the Omniverse to the Avengers.
And yes, it turns out that Current Beyonder’s powers work exactly like Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s powers do. He literally embodies his entire realm. The caveat is that he is not the only one who does, they all do (actually each of them separately embody the beyondverse-the others just don't care to be as flashy and _voluntarily_ stay within the narrative). So, I guess it’s a Gesalt ordeal where he and the other Beyonder’s share a realm of power. How that works in division is not entirely clear, but we are still essentially working with a fraction of infinite power, so I don’t think that detail matters much.
But none of that matters when the continuity is once again a mess.
What matters though is that Beyonder confirms this takes place after Defenders: Beyond and that his powers work the exact same way as Pre-Retcon Beyonder does."
Omega beyonder may similliar to pre retcon version but he's not the embodiment of his own realm. it's never been directly stated unlike pre retcon beyonder
I prefer Ewing's version of the beyonders origin honestly. It doesn't require creating another overpowered threat. This reminds me of the black winter from Donny Cates run on Thor and how it was an annoying retcon to Galactus origins.
Marvel needs to hire more people that follow the canon stories and inform the writers which is canon and which isn't.
I’m loving this story line great job Rob as usual
Tony Stark vocalizes my exact problem with Marvel (and DC's) storytelling lately and all these astronomically powerful beings they keep introducing when he basically says "What are WE supposed to do?". These stories either sideline many of your favorite characters or they end up fighting boosted versions of the same enemies they've already fought because they can't possibly contend with the real threat. Why even have that real threat out there if you need crap like the Unipower or the power of hope (or whatever) to defeat it? I want to see Tony Stark build a suit or Captain America come up with a plan or somebody learn a new way to use their powers. I know there are stories out there for that but these big cosmic events don't tend to offer anything except for a flamboyant way to alter the status quo for the future. The whole King In Black event felt less about that super powerful being they had to have (Knull) and more about what they wanted to do with Eddie for future stories. King in Black existed as a transition to that and the ending was as disappointing as I expect this one to be.
Marvel should make a cosmic entity for Hope.
“The Lost One” looks a lot like the personification of the DC Universe (one of “The Brothers”) in DC/Marvel, and Amalgam Comics.
Unlikely, but possible since Doomsday Clock teased “Secret Crisis” with Thor and Hulk.
Indeed
I think these stories are being written by AI at this point.
I swear
So it’s Marvel’s Perpetua…
And he looks like mashed up Magneto and Galactus
nah bro neverqueen is marvel’s preputa while the lost one would be marvel’s presence
Clarification: "According to the writer, Derek Landy, the continuity conflict may be resolved by Avengers Beyond #5. The Celestials created the Lost One, who then created the Beyonders. The Beyonders tried to erase the Lost One, so they claimed the Celestials had created them directly."
How does that relate to the Ivory Kings?
The Ivory Kings are the Beyonders. Just another name for them.
Rob, you are my favorite comic book expert. Thank you for your channel!
David Hasselhoff should be given a call to play The Beyonder in the MCU 😂
“Marvel this is the 6th ‘most power being’ you’ve shown the class this week.”
I will never ever accept any other Marvel character being more powerful than TOAA. It just shouldn't be. Nor does it make sense for Beyonders to get hurt. No way. No fucking way. These writers are so fucking bad.
This is why I never had the motivation to get into comics. This is fast and furious level writing. “The strongest character in the marvel universe is the one above all… just kidding someone beat him. It’s this other guy that you’ve never heard about”
Meanwhile abraxsis out here chilling in some tiny pocket universe biding his time
He got wiped from existence tho
@darthmal97 but did he though lol
@@grantpowell4135 He is equivalent to Eternity, so I don't think he can do anything in this situation more than just chill in his place.
@ALONE ONLY I honestly believe all the other dark lords and entities are out there just being like wait I was gonna get a turn
@@grantpowell4135 They are going to need Batman level plot armour even if they combine their powers to stand in front of him or else you know what is going to happen lol.
Can you imagine Henry Cavill as the beyonder...?
please no
Why doesn't the Beyonder just gift every Earth Hero with powers almost equal to his and let them try and fight the Lost One? Surely it would be a fight almost on par with the one the Lost One...lost against his Beyonder creations?
Power creep in a nutshell, because there will always be a bigger, badder entity ready to walk onto stage when it is needed.
The last one is not the most powerful being he was created by the celestials which was confirmed by the writer as this takes place before Defenders Beyond but he certainly is one of the most powerful characters
The celestials created beings much more powerful than themselves 😅😅 oops
Den dat dont make sense at all 💀
From the wiki: "According to the writer, Derek Landy, the continuity conflict may be resolved by Avengers Beyond #5. The Celestials created the Lost One, who then created the Beyonders. The Beyonders tried to erase the Lost One, so they claimed the Celestials had created them directly."
As for beings creating things more powerful than themselves, we humans already do that, machines, bombs etc.
Why can't a creation be more powerful than his creator(s) ?
I hope you realize him being created by the celestials doesnt make him stronger or weaker or confirm his strength in any way whatsoever?
For someone who has powers beyond the multiverse, it's weird that he can't find people. Shouldn't a being like him achieved omnipotence? Like it's weird to me that these unimaginable powers/beings have such small scale struggles.
I mean just look at the Abrahamic god. He’s supposed to be all powerful but he ends up jealous and petty showing his limited onciscience and arguably more his omnibenelovence
Everyone deserves someone that talks about them the way Rob talks about Hickmans Avengers/New Avengers
I wonder how the kings in black fit in, seeing as how their opposites to the ivory kings.🤔
I hope Hickman sorts it all out
Gotta love it, within the last year the Beyonders were said to have been created by the Celestials as a fail safe for them, now they’re saying it was the Lost One…make a decision Marvel editorial…oh wait it’ll turn out the Lost One is a Celestial to help tie up that lose end
🐿 Girl is the most powerful Marvel character 😅
Don't be scared of women, it only shows your insecurity, she's literally a henchman of the Lost One which means she's not the strongest. The more afraid of women with power, the weaker you sound.
@@ksng767you know he was saying squirrel girl is the most powerful since she's a gag charter right?
@@BlackKingArmory Cool if that's the case, I don't speak emojis, I'm probably too old for that
@@ksng767 I feel you man just try to be on the lookout next time.
The Beyonders need a movie right now they are so powerful
So basically the current beyonder is as strong as he was during the original secret wars? Basically he is pre retcon beyonder again?
Yes
That picture of The Beyonder @2:31 getting yanked, as Rob so eloquently put it, looks like he really needs a nap and a glass of water before he can do anything else.
It's Rob's job to be excited, he delivered the hype and we all know that the move to make every Marvel character Beyond Omega Level is the best thing coming out of DC Rebirth, but to quote a really old guy, "c'mon man!". Nothing makes sense, the Sentry's been nerfed, Galactus doesn't count as an undercard fight and if Al Ewing helps with this story the new big bad will get bslapped by Blue Marvel.
What doesn’t make sense is they introduce all these overly powerful characters bt there so powerful we never see a real, logical fight because their like “beyond comprehension” and we know they are still going to somehow be beat by a bs plot device. It’s like all that build up for no satisfaction for the fans.
Marveeel, this is the seventh week in a row you have shown the most powerful being!
This has me interested.
While Al Ewing did some really interesting things that i do like in his Ultimate Beyonders, such as their reality being layers from a single universe up to the one above all, there were a few things that seemed odd or didnt sit right. One, is that the Celestials made the Beyonders. How did the Celestials make the Beyonders, if the Beyonders are exponentially more powerfully than the Celestials? That is unless the Celestials in the very first universe are leagues above the celestials we have now, but itd still mean that those OG Celestials would have to be more powerful than the beyonders. Which, if theyre THAT far and above the current Celestials, i think they should have some way of distinguishing them.
The other is that the one above all is no longer that, the one above everything. Hes just the one above everything over here. Which opens up the door to a "one above all" for that one, and another for that one, and so on. It reminds me a bit of DG, there's always another guy further up the totem pole. First was Kami, then King Kai, then Grand Kai, then Supreme Kai, then Grand Supreme Kai (though that got retcon a bit) and then Zeno. Im still not convinced that there isnt someone above Zeno, other than Tori-bot, but i digress. It would have been "easier" to keep the one above all as the one above everything, and just keep "exploring" the infinite gap between him and anyone else. And its not like the one above all ever really intervenes in any grand, deus ex machina way. So whatver writer could introduce another villian thats still above every villain before, and the suspense and weight is still there because nobody is expexting the one above all to swoop in and save the day.
And all this time I thought GhostRider was the most powerful Marvel character. Learn something new every day.
Derrick landy is an amazing author I love his books
I absolutely love the Narration on this comic book story! 2nd to none with the Narrations!!!!
Glad to see I'm not the only one who is bothered by there being someone even more powerful by such a landslide. At some point, things just lose significance. And why is his name the lost one if he was before the omniverse? Will there be other ones who couldn't find him?
I just can't do the whole "Most Powerful Being" thing anymore. They're starting to get worse than the writers of Phase 4.
Damn the cosmic hierarchy is a mess
I have so so so so so many comic runs to catch up on and now this video has added more to the list 😂
Derek Landy loves having secret powerful villains called "something" one/s Faceless Ones in Skullduggery and Lost One in Avengers...its cool to see his writing tropes in Marvel now
Before Civil War was released, I thought it was possible Daniel Bruhl was playing The Autocrat. I'm glad it was Zemo but I would have been happy with Autocrat, too.
First to comment! Hey Rob! Long time fan and subscriber. I hope you are doing well.
Great video as always, keep up the great work
If the right hand (woman) is so strong and beating them up, how does she get captured so easily (let alone contained) after causing the beyonder to bleed?
cause she is a women
The Beyonder is caught in the Me2 movement.
My third favorite Marvel character. First will always be Spider-Man. And second is Adam Brashear.
had to drop in just to say I LOVE YOU ALL. haven’t kept up w this channel in years but man. You guys are awesome. amazing memories and nostalgia. ❤
Welcome back man glad to see you again
Who is you?
Thanks for heeding my request dude ur awesome 😊👍
Omniverse and Multiverse are still 2 different things, its not Marvel writers being lazy its done for a reason. Also did you notice how the Lost One looked almost exactly like the Fused Multiverse Gods from the old Amalgam comics where DC vs Marvel. this guy is one of them a Multiverse God or a cast out God of the Omniverse
Wow, fantastic video. Thanks a lot!
Pre retcon beyonder solos lmao
Isn't Omega beyonder and pre-retcon one are same guy so how does he solo him? And Marvel can create stronger characters than him though.
The way he mentioned infinite and infinity and the way the omegas were mentioned before. The ivory king, omegas, infinities and beyonders are all the same race of cosmic beings.
Wait, hold up. The Beyonders are powerful enough to reshape reality on a multiversal scale but there's someone who's even more powerful than that?? And if this one woman can wreck the entire team, how the hell are they supposed to defeat a guy who is more powerful than the Beyonders??? 😐
By the Power of plot Armour 😂😂😂😂
Multiversal feats aren't even that impressive compared to the strongest characters in Marvel.
Also, lots of popular characters in recent years have completely stomped the Beyonders after receiving major powerups
Captain America just needs to show that he won't qui,t even in the face of insurmountable cosmic powers, which will impress the Lost One and he'll respect all sentient life as a result and vanish into the void.
@@lancekemal8989 which characters has defeated him btw? I only remember Dr doom defeating them in new Avengers and the living tribunal in classic days.
This plotline seems like it's from the 90's
Can they beat Batman with prep time?
What do you think since he’s Batman? Whose beaten pretty much everyone in DC you can think of with just his brain, fighting skills and tech. Including both allies and villains who are way more powerful than him due to their insane powers like Darkside and Superman 😅
Nope
Been waiting for someone to cover this dudec
Not gonna lie this writting seems really lazy. Beyonders shouldve never been touched. I liked not knowing much about them. It was way more interesting.
5:58 exactly, it also affects the role of king in black. King in black and king in white are opposites and help in maintenance of uni. So what's the point if one stole it while the other proclaims they always were like that.
When this came out i knee i had to hear your take on it😂
Beyonder rolling up and pulling the, "But you're my friends," card on the Avengers when there's an existential threat.
Delete him from your contacts!
Cool series! Keep them coming
Thank you sir. That was superb. Your explanation / narration was on point. Please make more videos.
oh god I kinda always hate when they have this whole " Here's this even more powerful character you never knew about that was always around "
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing
That’s fantastic, thanks for sharing
The-One-Above-All > The Fulcrum > The Lost One > First Firmament > Living Tribunal > Beyonders (individually)
No
the one above all>the beyonders>the lost one>the fulcrum>living tribunal>first firmament
Beyond Omega Level: Icon (DC Milestone Comics)
The Lost one in full armour looks very much like Deaths'head . Now that would be a plot twist lol . love page big time and thanks ..
I want to see where Marvel goes with with the lost one and this character's role in Marvel's cosmology goes and fits.
What! thats crazy things are getting wild, thanks Rob for the content your da man
Amazing piece of work by the artist, Marvel has done it again! I’ve always wanted to know where did the “Beyonders” came me from? It makes sense to tell a story where even “Oblivion” couldn’t do anything to stop the Beyonders!
What really burned me out about comics and super heroes. Is the whole, "OH WE HAVE TO DEFEAT THIS PLANETARY THREAT!" to "OH NOW WE HAVE THE HAVE OUR UNIVERSE!!" to "OH NOW WE HAVE TO SAVE THE ALTERNATIVE TIMELINES AND THE INTERGALACTIC THREAT." like oh brother..
Marvel this is the Fifth time in a row you've shown "Most powerful being" in class.
Rob really does his research.
LoL! How'd you know I'm waiting on a train?! Thx for the upload!
I wish we can go back to the old titles. I be missing these videos
the lost ones got a cool design i’ll give him that
The lost one a being so powerful sending out his minions to fight ...seems like the one above all could blink and annihilate all his troubles
A beyond infused Ebony Maw, sounds terrifying. Comic Book version, Ebony Maw. The Ebony Maw that doesnt have to lift a finger just tell people to do things like unleash Shuma-Gorath.
Wait, are you serious? The return of The Black Order? Oh I'm SO in! Anything that Hickman's involved in, anything he taken over writing duties, or the writing he's taken over the book e.g., The FF, Avengers/New Avengers, Infinity, & The X-Men: HOX/POX. Claremont was The greatest writer for decades, but now Hickman's the guy. All 3 of his most recent books have been game changers. I wish he'd stayed on and continued his run on the X-Men, because that run was way too short
Rob the Mutiverse and Omniverse are two different concepts. The writers know what they're saying. The Omniverse is an infinite collection of Multiverses. It's never been changed. So them saying that The Lost One is a being that existed before the Omniverse existed proves that he is ridiculously op. The Beyonders used the Multiverse as an experiment and the original Beyonder used the Multiverse as a toy. The Lost One (by the writer's intent) is far more powerful then all of them. Meaning that this guy an omniversal threat and would slap 98% of DC.
Could u list the comic issues up to 2:15 at the least? And who drew the image of your thumbnail?
Hey Rob, can you do another video of the lost one?
Amazing I can't wait for more
Can't wait to hear about the *Hidden One* and *Adopted One.*
There is two kinds of beyonders
1st one:🗿
2nd one:🤡