Working My Binder
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- Today we are bindering wheat for the Casterton Vintage Working event held on the third weekend of September every year.
See how we setup and run the McCormick Deering binder.
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Just like my dad did in the "50s with his 9' binder. He would windrow the oats, let it dry and use his Allis Row Crop 60 to harvest the grain. I was lucky to ride on the binder seat and observe all the action. We also farmed with a 1946 Farmall H. Thanks for the memories.
No problem. Glad you enjoyed it.
Grandpa had a John Deere combine that had a Wisconsin 4 cylinder engine. No Hopper. Wheat was put in gunny sack and kicked of side . Went back with wagon and picked it up . Rode combine but was to small to pick cac up . Thank goodness!!
Great to see a simple machine working. Good close ups to show how everything works. Also easier to fix compared to modern machines.
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Memories for me for sure great video. Back then as a young kid of about 9 I got paid a dollar a day to stook the sheaths in bunches
upright till thrashing time back in the late 1940's.
That was hard work for 9! I bet you were glad when a combine arrived.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful living history. My grandson and I use a lot of antique equipment and tractors here. Fascinating video.
Glad you enjoyed it.
It was a very educational video telling the story of grain harvest in the good old days.
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Great upload, Certainly gives anyone a damn good idea how much work was involved at harvest time especially after the binder, that was the easy part!
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Brings back lots of memories of my youth. Riding on the binder in the hot dusty sun, stooking the sheaves. Old Green Fordson, , land girls. Even using the horses when there was no petrol spare, wartime eh ?. Then later in the year the steam powered threshing machine set up by a local contractor. First combine was a Massey Harris 750 I think, bagged the grain as it went. Progress ?. I remember binding barley meant lots of itchy hours. But some of us survived !.
Glad we were able to refresh all those memories. Thanks for the comment.
Excellent content Mr. K, you bring back a lot of happy memories of Farm Life in the fifties and sixties, thank you so much
Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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What a marvellous machine, and I was surprised at the travel speed.
Reel, cutter bar and draper belt still used all these years later!
Glad you enjoyed it. Cyrus McCormick was a clever chap!
I enjoyed your video very much. We cut our grain with a binder until 1970. I still have the old binder in the shed
1970 !!! What make is the binder.
@@Casterton-Vintage my binder is a Massey Harris
We have an large white and blue enameled bread bin that was my grandmother's. It has a graphic on it of a draught horse bulling one of those. This video is the first time I have ever seen one. That graphic now makes sense to me 68 years later.
Regards from South Africa
It's great to know I've manged to help you work out what the picture is on the bread bin. Is it a generic picture or a specific brand? Maybe a promotional gift?
@@Casterton-Vintage How do I send a pic of the bread bin and graphic to you sir?
@@IO-zz2xy Do you do Facebook? You can message me on the Casterton Vintage Video Page. The link is in the video description under the video. If this is a problem let me now and I will come up with plan B. Thanks.
@@Casterton-Vintage I will ask my niece to do it on her FB.
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Excellent video! As a child l remember seeing stooks in some fields, but the red harvester was taking over, and l have never tired of seeing them!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
Another excellent informative video.
We were still binding wheat in Derbyshire in 1968, as loft space for bagged grain off the trailed Ransomes combine was limited. My sister and I, at a tender age, would hang on the binder seat with our legs off the ground, while Dad removed the transport wheel.
Yes please to a knotter video, see you at Casterton.
Thanks for the comment. I'll work on the knotter vid in the winter.
this brings back memories
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Another great video thanks, Loving all the different camera angles showing how it works. what amazing machine. I will look forward to seeing this at Casterton Vintage Working event - I will be there on the sunday.
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Another really great film. Thank you.
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Another brilliant film of yesteryear, course, in them days,the summers were long and dry, long days for the farmhands too, no gadjits in them days to tell if the grain was ready to cut, few in the mouth, righto lads get cutting..... its just rate.... 😜 I remember sitting on an old Bedford seaside bus heading for Mablethorpe, and seeing the stookes stood in the field, happy slow days...the health and safety man would have had a duckfit with the old machines from that era 😂😂
Amazing memories. Thanks
As a non farmer, but avid follower of farming youtube, i would definitely be interested in your knotter video
I've had a back shelf interest in farming and farm history, love the traction and vintage rallies. My 1st introduction to tractors were MF135 and MF165 on a distant uncles farm as a boy.
Worked on farms, but only in my construction background
Really enjoying your videos, thank you
Take care and keep up the great work
Geoff
Many thanks for the support. I will see if I can create a knotter video during the winter months>
I'm too young to have ever seen one of these machines at work but as a kid there was one dumped in the corner of a field in my village. We often sat on it and climbed all over it wondering what it was used for! Fascinating vid and very enjoyable for me.
Glad to have enlightened you. They were laying everywhere when the combine took over and worth nothing. Luckily some were saved from the scrap.
Tractor and binder a great working team ! Super video again good work !
Thank you very much!
That brings back memories. Dad taking it down to cut his father in laws beans, pulling it thought the town with myself and the dog sat on the bed.
Wonderful memory.
It's funny how history repeats itself. Yesterdays canvas binder canvases have become todays rubber draper belts as the standard combine front header auger gives way to draper belts like on the header on our 12.3m Claas Convio on a Lexion 8900. It's so much better than the old Vario, especially in laid crops with the flex mode hugging the ground. More even feed too.
100% agree.
Fantastic video again this week.
It's great to watch the old technology of the past still being able to do a bit of work in today's modern age. Is sisal twine still available to buy today as I remember our old McCormick B46 square baler would only work with sisal twine as it didn't like and wouldn't tie with the modern polypropylene twine.
Sisal twine was becoming difficult to obtain in the late 70s and early 80s as I recall and that's why we changed to all round bales in early 1981 or 82
Watching the binder cutting 6ft a time is a far cry from modern combines that are cutting up to 40ft or more in each pass through the crop now.
Thanks for the comment. I'm not sure about the availability of sisal twine. I have enough to last beyond my needs so I've never tried to buy any.
Beautiful job you've done , memories of childhood, sat on a gate
Glad you enjoyed it
Thankyou for this informative and historic video of equipment from years ago still paired together and in excellent shape!!
I thourouly enjoyed the vid!! Will keep looking for more vis. TY!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you. binders come from a bit before my time, but this video is fantastic and brings back my very earliest memories.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great machine in its day, l used a binder a few times and l never knew about the sheaf carrier, wonderful piece of engineering and the knotter too, great video,l never get fed up with the old videos keep up the good work 👍😊
Many thanks!
At least you didn't have to cut a road with a scythe to open up the field. This was before my time but the previous generation told me about doing it for both binder and trailed combine when every stalk was precious.
I'm glad we didn't have to do that!
What a superb video as always.. Amazing to see them working so well after all these years. The quality of your footage is excellent, too 👍
Many thanks!
Good day from Ontario Canada Boy my dad bought Ih binder new I think 1952
Looked same as yours
Thanks
It's good to hear from Canada. Have you still got that binder?
@@Casterton-Vintage No we live in Waterloo county. Many neighbours have horses to work fields, we sold it to them
To see binders infield is no special thing
common here. Thanks
About 60 years ago I drove one of these binders with Dad on the seat on the machine cutting rye for the straw for thatching and grain for seed and also for rye biscuits.
We were using it, although we had a small combine, because Dad had a buyer for the straw for thatching and another buyer for the grain for rye biscuits. The thatcher had a contact for someone who a special type of threshing box and buncher for collecting and bunching the straw.
The whole outfit was pulled and driven by a Marshal "POP POP" tractor - what a sight and sound to see and hear arrive on our farm and, after set up, hummed away quietly rocking front to back. Chaff and short broken straw was collected and blown into a big pile some way away from the box
The straw was collected and bunched as it fell off the straw walkers and these bunches elevated onto two stacks that were roughly thatched and covered in heavy canvas tarps. until required and hauled away.
The grain was bagged into huge hired Squirrel heavy hessian sacks (sometimes called railway sacks), stitched closed with two ears for handling once "full". They were sack barrowed on to a hydraulic lift mounted on the side of the lorry. This lifted them up to shoulder height for men to stack on the lorry.
Regards \ Dan
Great memories. Thanks for sharing. I can just remember the heavy railway sacks even though we always had a combine in my lifetime. If we ran out of bulk storage my grandad would fill some sacks. In a good year there were a lot of them!
Great video 👍 an have to say that I've never seen a sheaf collector on a binder up here 🏴 simple but great idea 👍 don't think knotters have changed much over the years but would be good to see a video with the development of the knotter 👌
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I personally, would love a video on knotter design. Particularly on the the McCormick knotter
It's now on my list. Thanks
Excellent photography and presentation
Thank you so much 😀
I watch with interest with ours being a massy Harris the little differences between them with the sheaf carrier and point systems being different and the levers very close together compared with the massey, i could just imagine some bruised knuckles 😮 good interesting video ❤
Glad you found it interesting. It was good to have a play with it.
The binder is doing a great job bearing in mind that's a very heavy crop look how close together the sheaves are on the ground
It is a great little binder and usual runs quite well in the modern crops but we have to be kind to it!
another good video
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Dad would be 101 if he were alive. He told me this. When he was a boy his dad bound some wheat. Rigged a go devil to be pushed by an A John Deere instead of a team. He was ridding with his brother on the A. They pushed the go devil under a shock of wheat. You could hear the shock of wheat rattling over the A John Deere idling. Here in south central Kansas rattle snakes are rare. I've seen one.
I'm pleased we don't have rattle snakes in England!
Very informative video. Considering the age of the machine, it is quite complex.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Knotter video----- yes !
Okay -I'll do it in the winter some time.
Thank You for this look into the past. Interesting to see a reaper/binder working. I've seen pictures but never seen one operating. Much of the McCormick Deering Farmall/International Harvester was manufactured near me and it is interesting to see that "International" was more than a name. The factory was leveled a few years ago. I've seen threshers running but not seen how the sheaves were cut. We usually harvest wheat in mid June and can get a second crop of beans in after the wheat. I wonder if this is because of the growing season or the variety of wheat grown?
There is a complex story to how International Harvester was created. McCormick and Deering were two of the biggest manufacturers of harvesting equipment, hence International Harvester. It's sad that the factory is gone but time marches on. I think the reason you can grow second crop beans after wheat and we can't in the UK is because you are further south.
Lovely to see the binder out. They were way before my time but know the pain of seeing the rain clouds heading for you 🫣 knotters are still black magic to me, I’ve not had to deal with them yet…YET
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Great video. Yes more on the knoting system would be great. Some slow motion video would be helpful.
A few people I know have binders. They use to have a binder day where people could watch, but sadly they don’t do that any more.
I'll have a go at a knotter video in the winter. Thaks
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😮😮 be 4 the binders were made U had all of that work by hand in the fields the binders were pre combine then the combines were made in the late 193OS it changed farming 😊😊 U could get a alot more done in a days time ⌚ 😊 and on the farm 😊😊 OMG 9 1O 2O24
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Yes please on the knotter design video!
Got it!
When my uncle got his first combine he opened out like he was used to going round the field with a scythe. It was only later he realised what a fool he'd been
When you think of the size of the leap from a binder to a combine, it's not surprising it took time to understand all the differences.
Well-filmed operation.
In France my father had his IH Mc Cormick mower-binder around 1920, it was a horse-drawn machine with a pilot wheel drive like this one, I think it was replaced around 1946 and we had the new Ferguson TEA20 to pull it. In 1953 my father bought a second-hand Farmall M petrol tractor with a row-crop front axle, around 1960 dieselised with a Perkins direct injection, wide front axle and hydraulic hitch. It was still running in 2015, having gone to a collector. 1956 first combine Massey-harris 780 S white bagger.
My question is this: your binder is cut on the left!!! whereas in France it was cut on the right. Where Was the assembly plant in Great Britain for you?
In france 1909 at Croix, and tractors 1950 Saint Dizier.
I think the McCormick binders in the UK were US imports but I don't know for sure. The IH factory in the UK was at Doncaster. It opened in 1938 and I don't think it ever made binders.
The left or right cut appears to be more about who made them. I have two IH binders and they are both the same hand. The other is later and is PTO driven. Maybe a binder expert will read this and tell us the facts.
Thanks for the detailed comment.
@@Casterton-Vintage Thank you very much.
I have run an IHC binder before always used horses though .
Wow, that's amazing. I have the horse pole for this one and we ran it on a pair of heavy horses about 15 - 20 years ago. I'd like to do it again but the horse people are not too keen on the noise. We just need to find the right pair that are used to more than a plough and a cart.
I ran a binder once as a kid. I never learned the workings of one.
Lovely memory to have.
It looks to me like this may be a Deering binder rather than a McCormick-Deering binder.
Great video as always, nice to see harvesting without all of the dust. I dont do facebook is there any chance of the post code for Casterton Vintage Working as we would like to visit Thanks.
If you enter PE9 4DF that should get you very close. What Three Words even.sketching.sprinkle
Marvelous - takes me back to the 50s / early 60s and an old local farmer named Sammy Joy who used the (even by then) old fashioned methods.
By the way, it looks like you are only using three-quarters of the cutter bar - should the drawbar have been offset?
Hope to see you at the Casterton Vintage Working event in a couple of weeks.
The crop was thicker than binders were designed for so we started with a small cut but we got braver!
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Nice! I never saw a video where the binder was roaded then set up to cut! I have one question for you guys: A modern combine cuts and threshes the grain in one operation. In days old you cut and binded the grain then loaded it onto wagons to be taken to a central location where the threshing machine is. Question: Don't every time you handle a sheave you lose grain from it? After being handled several times how much grain is lost?
Good question! You are very right. The more you handle the crop the more it shells out. Often it was cut slightly earlier than with a combine and then it matures after cutting which I think helps the grain to stay in the ear until it gets to the thrashing machine. Today that is a bit difficult because we have to binder after the field is opened up with the combine. We only do a little bit so it's not a big deal.
are you going to post videos of the casterton vintage working event?
Yes, as long as my camera assistant manages to take some. I will be busy with the machines.
The Steering looks a little ungainly on the Farmall, is it an American built version as opposed to a Doncaster built one? as a child in the early 50s I do remember my Father pulling the binder with a Nuffield Petrol/Paraffin tractor, what springs to mind how polished the Binder drive wheel was when in regular use.
it's an H petrol so Chicago, especially in 1945! 10hp less than the M.
at Doncaster model B M (no B H) .BM,super BMD Diesel
The H was built in Chicago
Did the binder have solid rubber tyres on the transport wheels originally?
No - Steel wheels. Later binders had pneumatic tyres,
I remember my grandfather running his IH corn binder.. Do you know what year yours is?
I don't know the date unfortunately.
done that many mant yrs ago i will be 86 on 23 of this month
Happy birthday for the 23rd. Many congratulations.