Cantanti d'altri tempi...Corelli in questa edizione è splendio,non è mai lezioso e non fa corone che durano un'eternità...molto brava anche signora Milanov...grazie
Corelli and. Milanov are a match for each other!!I have this CD!!and I like it very much!!it is one of my Favorite. Tosca's!!but,do not forget. The baritone!!the glorious Voice of. Gian. Giacomo. Guelfi!! His voice and his interpretation Is a feast!!is a banquet!! Extremely Erotic and sensual!!a feast!! A banquet!! What else can I say About him and his great voice!!
They were both great. I loved your anecdote, Roberta. Yes, Zinka was known for her tactless statements. I have read in Bjoerling biography, that she said to Jussi's daughter, when they were together on some occasion, how she (the daughter) would surely always remember that she was in the company of a great opera singer. The fact, that the daughter was living in the family of a great opera singer evidently didn't enter her mind.
"her tactless statements"? Her colleagues were tactless. When she left Met to attend her wedding, no one congratulated her or sent best wishes. After wedding, she returned to Met and was performing among the same colleagues. Some Tact, some manners.
I saw Milanov live when she gave Master classes in Brasília in 1988 in Summer classes .She was very exigent.She loved Corelli and Bjorling but she didnt like Plácido Domingo.
Milanov still had plenty of voice when she did this performance. Interesting that at the same time this performance took place, she commercially recorded Tosca, but with Jussi Bjoerling. She sounds exactly the same on both performances. There was something in her voice that I always liked ------- the grandeur, the authority, and those gorgeous piano tones she could bring out of her throat. Moreover, she had a huge voice.
Larry Mitchell It is because she owned the role when she sang. She like Callas was fearless. Because she had the voice/ technique to back it ☝. Sincerely Arnold Bourbon Amaral
Have to echo some of the sentiments expressed here, Milanov in her prime possessed a rich, luscious voice with layers of dynamic shading but could indeed, be self indulgent and not particularly musically inventive at times. Corelli in the late 1950s was at the height of his vocal powers and there was no one who sang Cavaradossi better. This performance is my favorite of his in this role, it's a shame that the supreme Tosca of that and perhaps any era, the immortal Magda Olivero, did not collaborate with Corelli in this particular opera.
The only time Corelli & Milanov ever sang together as far as I know. I wonder how she felt about him. I have the complete recording of this & it is a memorable one. This is one of Milanov’s best late recordings & she still had a LIVE high C here (Act 3) & as she once told Warren during their Studio AIDA recording: THESE HIGH C’S DON’T GROW ON TREES, YOU KNOW. Apparently she found one on a tree for this occasion! In addition to them there is GUELFI at his best here in a role ideal for him IMO. His entrance as SCARPIA is one for the record books. Awesome indeed.
Franco Corelli and Zinka Milanov appeared together again at the Metropolitan Opera House in 1962: March 9 at La Gioconda, and November 17 at Andrea Chenier.
she was all of those things good and not so good. this said hers was a singular talent, a judgement endorsed by the great Ponselle. Olympian was the word with which she described great Zinka and the greatest singing actresses gave her swat..Modl, Rysanek, and yes even Callas in a moment of candor. sit back and enjoy. it is one thing to be ignorant another to trumpet it to the world
Zinka may not be to everyone's taste here, and I understand. To me, though, she and Franco sing the hell out of Tosca!!! That's what it needs! I came across a quote from the inimitable and never modest Milanov concerning this performance with Franco. He had been singing for six years and was a year away from being the highest-paid tenor in Italian history. Quote: "He could have a great career when he grows up." (How I love her!)
You said it-she's not to everyone's taste,LOL Yes, I know about the floated pianissimo, but she had this old lady sound to me and I'd like to think there's more to the roles than just loud singing They must have made quite a pair on stage-and she was no actress
+Labienus Milanov's singing here is hardly "just loud singing." Yes, she sounds mature here, but hardly like an old lady -- and she was 51 years old at this time. And after all she was a real dramatic soprano, a big voice, and yet here as well as elsewhere capable of shaded, highly expressive singing, even here at a mature age capable of a sensually beautiful quality. She acted with the voice and by all accounts though not a sophisticated actress had a strong personal aplomb on stage that carried the day. Beyond that, personal tastes are of course personal tastes.
+Labienus Not being the most sophisticated or interested computer user I receive responses to comments but with not apparent way of responding-such as from galanis38 apparently defending Milanov, or not pleased with my comment. One part was " by all accounts though not a sophisticated actress had a strong personal aplomb on stage " I'm not sure what aplomb in this context means-but I actually saw her on stage, admittedly at the end of her career-she was no actress by any stretch of the imagination. Here if this recording was 1957-still in her great years-and my point was not that she was old, but her voice often sounded that way or old fashioned Recently I heard a Met radio Trovatore from a bit earlier, and though the basic remarkable dramatic voice was there, and some powerful moments, I was actually rather amazed at how sloppy her singing was, how she often "cheated" in difficult passages, how some of the high notes were brushed rather than sung, and how superficial her involvement in the drama was, and how lacking her handling of the text was
@@Labienus I beg to differ. Milanov and Tebaldi didn't have "aplomb" on stage, they had what I call 'stage savvy.' They knew how to move around, hold their ground, gesture in time to the music, and generally paint a believable picture of whatever role they were playing. I saw Milanov many times and was in Tosca and Gioconda with her when I was in the boys chorus at the Old Met in 1960-62. Milanov and Tebaldi were somewhat similar, both had the grand dame approach to acting. One didn't go to the opera to see either of them act. You went because they could sing the hell out of an opera. And Milanov kept her high notes more or less until the end. If you want to hear some first rate Milanov, listen to her recording of Hageman's song, "Do Not Go, My Love." She does everything right, more than right. It's an amazing performance. I hope you like it.
And now Met invited Netrebko for Tosca........If I am here should I buy a ticket for Netrevko? I guess not.....In the whole wold they didn't find a right voice for Tosca? Strange time we live.......
As far as I could tell, her husband's (per example) surname is Milanov. She is Croatian and there the end of the surname in the feminine form would be "a". So she's Milanova.
@@draganvidic2039 Well, in any case, in the Slavic tradition, women's surnames always have the letter "a" at the end in comparison with men's, except in some strange cases, but this time it's exactly like that.
No, this is how they say names in Russia, Slovakia , I’m not sure for Bulgarian language, but this is not true for Serbo-Croatian language. I know since I grew up in former Yugoslavia.
Am not talking about. Milanov!!she is petfect for. Tosca!!am talking about lyrics sopranos taking the role of. Tosca!!yes!!not too much at the bottom!!not too much on top!!got it?good!!!
Cantanti d'altri tempi...Corelli in questa edizione è splendio,non è mai lezioso e non fa corone che durano un'eternità...molto brava anche signora Milanov...grazie
Very good casting as Tosca then! In era of great Toscas, she sounds lovely. And Corelli is a dream tenor
Yes, Zinka was a majestic Diva. Sadly, possibly the last of that breed! We ADORED her & in her prime, glory poured forth from her throat!
My Dad's favorite dramatic soprano. TY SO MUCH Roberta
Corelli and. Milanov are a match for each other!!I have this CD!!and
I like it very much!!it is one of my
Favorite. Tosca's!!but,do not forget. The baritone!!the glorious
Voice of. Gian. Giacomo. Guelfi!!
His voice and his interpretation
Is a feast!!is a banquet!! Extremely
Erotic and sensual!!a feast!!
A banquet!! What else can I say
About him and his great voice!!
addio bel passato !
meravigliosi tutti !
Immortal greatest artists. I am so happy, but my soul's crying about that.
estupenda Zinka Milanov!
this is rather superb !
Thank you,Roberta,for this video!
So glad you enjoyed it!
voces divinas
4:38 is Puciini magic & Corelli sings it beautifully. Thank you Roberta
テンポは運び、掛け合いのタイミングが素晴らしい
They were both great. I loved your anecdote, Roberta. Yes, Zinka was known for her tactless statements. I have read in Bjoerling biography, that she said to Jussi's daughter, when they were together on some occasion, how she (the daughter) would surely always remember that she was in the company of a great opera singer. The fact, that the daughter was living in the family of a great opera singer evidently didn't enter her mind.
Hah!
Herur22 So what's wrong with that? I don't get it.
Milanov was reported to have described a young soprano..."she sounds like a young me "
"her tactless statements"? Her colleagues were tactless. When she left Met to attend her wedding, no one congratulated her or sent best wishes. After wedding, she returned to Met and was performing among the same colleagues. Some Tact, some manners.
@@christopherkorvin6322 and what is wrong with that?
Grazie Roberta, posta ancora tante arie operistiche di Corelli, grazie a te lo seguo tutti i giorni
I saw Milanov live when she gave Master classes in Brasília in 1988 in Summer classes .She was very exigent.She loved Corelli and Bjorling but she didnt like Plácido Domingo.
😂 she had good taste!
Milanov still had plenty of voice when she did this performance. Interesting that at the same time this performance took place, she commercially recorded Tosca, but with Jussi Bjoerling. She sounds exactly the same on both performances. There was something in her voice that I always liked ------- the grandeur, the authority, and those gorgeous piano tones she could bring out of her throat. Moreover, she had a huge voice.
Larry Mitchell It is because she owned the role when she sang. She like Callas was fearless. Because she had the voice/ technique to back it ☝. Sincerely Arnold Bourbon Amaral
Dos glorias de la lirica de todos los tienpos
Maravillosa Aria de Tosca
I hope to sing Tosca like this one day..only dreaming😓
Have to echo some of the sentiments expressed here, Milanov in her prime possessed a rich, luscious voice with layers of dynamic shading but could indeed, be self indulgent and not particularly musically inventive at times.
Corelli in the late 1950s was at the height of his vocal powers and there was no one who sang Cavaradossi better. This performance is my favorite of his in this role, it's a shame that the supreme Tosca of that and perhaps any era, the immortal Magda Olivero, did not collaborate with Corelli in this particular opera.
Charles Busuttil Dougall
Franco Corelli looks like a prince and sings like an emperor!!!!
What a divine couple 👏❤💐 !!!
Good Lord Corelli is magnificent here!
The best!
He is always magnificent
Bravi
The only time Corelli & Milanov ever sang together as far as I know. I wonder how she felt about him. I have the complete recording of this & it is a memorable one. This is one of Milanov’s best late recordings & she still had a LIVE high C here (Act 3) & as she once told Warren during their Studio AIDA recording: THESE HIGH C’S DON’T GROW ON TREES, YOU KNOW. Apparently she found one on a tree for this occasion!
In addition to them there is GUELFI at his best here in a role ideal for him IMO. His entrance as SCARPIA is one for the record books. Awesome indeed.
Franco Corelli and Zinka Milanov appeared together again at the Metropolitan Opera House in 1962: March 9 at La Gioconda, and November 17 at Andrea Chenier.
Confermo, posseggo anch'io la registrazione completa, una delle migliori Tosca registrate seppure live
she was all of those things good and not so good. this said hers was a singular talent, a judgement endorsed by the great Ponselle. Olympian was the word with which she described great Zinka and the greatest singing actresses gave her swat..Modl, Rysanek, and yes even Callas in a moment of candor. sit back and enjoy. it is one thing to be ignorant another to trumpet it to the world
lo
At the Met they decided to call her Milanov, not Milanova.
Zinka may not be to everyone's taste here, and I understand. To me, though, she and Franco sing the hell out of Tosca!!! That's what it needs!
I came across a quote from the inimitable and never modest Milanov concerning this performance with Franco.
He had been singing for six years and was a year away from being the highest-paid tenor in Italian history.
Quote: "He could have a great career when he grows up."
(How I love her!)
You said it-she's not to everyone's taste,LOL Yes, I know about the floated pianissimo, but she had this old lady sound to me and I'd like to think there's more to the roles than just loud singing
They must have made quite a pair on stage-and she was no actress
+Labienus Milanov's singing here is hardly "just loud singing." Yes, she sounds mature here, but hardly like an old lady -- and she was 51 years old at this time. And after all she was a real dramatic soprano, a big voice, and yet here as well as elsewhere capable of shaded, highly expressive singing, even here at a mature age capable of a sensually beautiful quality. She acted with the voice and by all accounts though not a sophisticated actress had a strong personal aplomb on stage that carried the day. Beyond that, personal tastes are of course personal tastes.
+Labienus Not being the most sophisticated or interested computer user I receive responses to comments but with not apparent way of responding-such as from galanis38 apparently defending Milanov, or not pleased with my comment. One part was " by all accounts though not a sophisticated actress had a strong personal aplomb on stage " I'm not sure what aplomb in this context means-but I actually saw her on stage, admittedly at the end of her career-she was no actress by any stretch of the imagination. Here if this recording was 1957-still in her great years-and my point was not that she was old, but her voice often sounded that way or old fashioned
Recently I heard a Met radio Trovatore from a bit earlier, and though the basic remarkable dramatic voice was there, and some powerful moments, I was actually rather amazed at how sloppy her singing was, how she often "cheated" in difficult passages, how some of the high notes were brushed rather than sung, and how superficial her involvement in the drama was, and how lacking her handling of the text was
Roberta Huebner CLASSIC!
@@Labienus I beg to differ. Milanov and Tebaldi didn't have "aplomb" on stage, they had what I call 'stage savvy.' They knew how to move around, hold their ground, gesture in time to the music, and generally paint a believable picture of whatever role they were playing. I saw Milanov many times and was in Tosca and Gioconda with her when I was in the boys chorus at the Old Met in 1960-62. Milanov and Tebaldi were somewhat similar, both had the grand dame approach to acting. One didn't go to the opera to see either of them act. You went because they could sing the hell out of an opera. And Milanov kept her high notes more or less until the end. If you want to hear some first rate Milanov, listen to her recording of Hageman's song, "Do Not Go, My Love." She does everything right, more than right. It's an amazing performance. I hope you like it.
Another great croatian talent ,Zinka Kunc Milanov,Stjepan Hauser,Max Mrvica,Luka Sulic,Ana Vidovic etc,etc
My wife is crotion & she's as lovely as when I met her 48 yrs ago. Linda Butkavich 😘💘
СТРАННО , У КОРЕЛЛИ ЗАМЕТНА ТРЕМОЛЯЦИЯ В ГОЛОСЕ...! Zinkov ПОЕТ БЛЕСТЯЩЕ ,ГОЛОС
БОЖЕСТВЕННЫЙ !
And now Met invited Netrebko for Tosca........If I am here should I buy a ticket for Netrevko? I guess not.....In the whole wold they didn't find a right voice for Tosca? Strange time we live.......
vk soprano another one with a just a big mouth and a voice that's all over the place. So much for perfect placement.
Imagine a Netrebko Norma!! She had the good sense to back out. For now.
Tobias Andrews But Turandot is fine for her essentially lyric voice...
No one is singing like this anymore
As far as I could tell, her husband's (per example) surname is Milanov. She is Croatian and there the end of the surname in the feminine form would be "a". So she's Milanova.
I read she was Kunc but changed her name to a more artistic one.
@@draganvidic2039 Nice... Anyway, I think Milanova is more likely for a lady)) Besides I had a cd where I saw exactly that form.
@@draganvidic2039 Well, in any case, in the Slavic tradition, women's surnames always have the letter "a" at the end in comparison with men's, except in some strange cases, but this time it's exactly like that.
No, this is how they say names in Russia, Slovakia , I’m not sure for Bulgarian language, but this is not true for Serbo-Croatian language. I know since I grew up in former Yugoslavia.
She was born Kunc. This is her maiden name. Her brother was Bozidar Kunc who was a composer, pianist.
Always remember the great American sopranos. Eilleen Farrell.
Well she never had this velvety timbre
@@draganvidic2039 farrell had a magnificent vocal quality and line. Just extraordinary
@@sanfordpress54
We don’t have to agree
@@draganvidic2039 2 spectacular voices.
No arguement.
4:33
1:41
Tosca is a dramatic soprano role!!
Period!!I hate lyrics sopranos taking on the role of. Tosca!!
Not too much at the bottom!!
No too much at the top!!
Hate is a strong word
Perhaps.
What do you mean “too much at the bottom” and “not too much at the top”? She has a very good figure!!
Am not talking about. Milanov!!she is petfect for. Tosca!!am talking about lyrics sopranos taking the role of. Tosca!!yes!!not too much at the bottom!!not too much on top!!got it?good!!!
Milanov was not a dramatic soprano. Lirico spinto at best.
Her Italian lacks Italianità, with some very corny phrasing. Yet, there is power and slancio too.
Ce n'est pas une Tosca ! Interprétation très datée ,et très hédoniste .Du beau son oui peut être ,mais c'est tout !