Austrian GP & British GP Prerace 2024 - Shift+F1 Podcast Episode 276
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- Two events in Austria saw the same two drivers on the front row with explosive results. Will sparks fly again in Britain?
SHOW NOTES
Nobody was seriously hurt in this famous photo of Jos Verstappen’s pit fire
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Recap video of the race’s big battle, with interviews at the end
• Verstappen vs. Norris ...
The Tour de France goes to Imola
• BATTLE BETWEEN VINGEGA...
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00:00:00 Intro
00:04:32 Austrian Sprint
00:10:21 The Grid
00:11:10 The Race
00:24:00 The End of the Austrian GP
00:51:45 Results
00:53:00 News
00:53:08 ... Driver News; Gasly, Stroll, Sainz, Verstappen
00:58:58 ... Tsunoda's €40K Fine, Apology
01:01:38 ... Vintage Verstappen
01:07:00 Silverstone
01:10:30 The Weather
01:11:20 Standings
01:13:54 Race Around The World
01:16:54 This Day In Racing History
01:18:03 Final Thoughts
Quite a good time to be a F1 watcher, past few seasons have been uneventful👎
I was on the hill at turn 4 in Austria, absolutely wild! We all lost our collective minds watching the damaged max and lando limp down the hill from t3 and we were all chanting for Hulkenburg every lap as he held off Perez. Hulk has scored more points in the last 2 races than Perez has in 6. Hulkenburg to Red Bull confirmed?
Thanks, guys!
Jos is apparently seeing the lady that was at the centre of the Horner scandal.
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Welcome back, Suspenders Rob!
th-cam.com/video/TZ8JvJbPwYI/w-d-xo.html Verstappen vs Norris fight discussion :)
The anti-verstappen bias is getting tiresome. It really is, guys. And Max certainly earned his crashstappen reputation when he first entered the league (China vs. Vettel comes to mind, plus a dozen other examples), but he's just not that same driver anymore. You need to let go of your previous biases.
I will give you credit, you correctly called the initial contact between Lando and Max. Max basically just drifted into Lando. He didn't steer into him, he just drifted into him, and we've seen that from every driver at some point. Lando even had a couple feet to the left of him he could have used to avoid contact. What i'm shocked by is the accusation Verstappen ran Lando off the road intentionally after the initial contact. Did you guys watch the same race? First off, you claim Lando had basically completed the pass, which he very much did not. At no point did Lando pass Verstappen; his front wing got to his front wheels, but that's not a "successful pass" as you were putting it (1:22:56 of F1TV replay, Ver onboard camera confirms this). At best, they were side by side. Secondly, you guys were critical of Verstappen in Monza years ago at the turn 1/2 complex when verstappen ended up on top of hamilton, which is basically the exact same thing as this (driver rushes up the outside last second. Then you accuse him of running Lando off the road to block the pass. First off, you never seem upset when Hamilton pushes drivers off track during a pass or when defending, just saying. Secondly, if you watch the F1TV replay (world feed, not onboard), 1:23:00 shows perfectly how verstappen's tyre is completely off the rim, well before they went off track. If you watch the onboard during the incident, which you guys clearly didn't, you can see him struggling to get the car to turn because, you know, he's only got three wheels at this point, and he needs the one he lost to actually make the turn (otherwise the car tilts and the front tyres lose contact w/ the ground, because physics). So yes, he went off track, but that was as a result of the flat tyre, not because he was intentionally trying to run Lando off the road. In fact, every time they made contact, Verstappen's steering wheel was turned away from Lando (confirmed by the onboard camera). Lastly, while you were more than willing to throw Max and red bull under the bus for dangerously driving back to the pits with his broken wing to avoid the safety car in Montreal, no such comments were made about Lando. In fact, Lando's tyre was shredding his car to bits, leaving carbon fiber all over the track, unlike verstappen who barely lost anything from his car while he drove back. Max got a penalty in Montreal and Lando didn't. You talk about how Lando's race was ruined and his car destroyed, but it was Lando driving back to the pits that caused that damage; he could have (and should have) pulled off the track once his tyre was shredded, as was his responsibility (as you mentioned about Max in Montreal). In fairness, Lando's not the first driver to do that without penalty, but then that begs the question as to why Verstappen was penalized in Montreal. Easy talking point between the inconsistency between stewards and how it's bad for F1 and actually leads to these kinds of incidents. There was a day when you would have asked that question, but it was not this day.
This kind of reporting is incredibly irresponsible. Other drivers and former F1 personalities have come out in support of Verstappen since the incident, and even Lando has backed off his initial position (much to the dismay of Martin Brundle). You guys used to be fairly objective, and it was refreshing given how so much of F1 media is driven by British sources who constantly push the "any challenger to a british driver is a bad guy" narrative (it's Max right now, but it was Vettel with Hamilton in the 20-teens, and boy did Sky et. al have the world hating Vettel at the time).
It's clear you guys don't like verstappen, and believe me, i hated him when he joined F1 too, but he's quite clearly a different driver now. Please go back to being more objective.
You all seem to loose track of one important rule here and that is: The car in front owns the coming corner. It is his corner and he has the right to determine in what way he approaches the corner and how he positions his car for the entry of that corner. The car/driver that comes up from behind has to adjust his driving to avoid collision and makes a clean pass. The so called moving under braking is not applicable in case of positioning a car for the upcoming entry of a corner…because if moving in that zone is prohibited a driver would not be allowed to take the corner. It needs repositioning. That repositioning was exactly what Max did on the racing line approaching the entry. Lando kept a straight line at high speed while he could predict an impact. The collision was caused by the faster car that came up from behind. The driver of that car had not any other perspective than going off track again when trying an overtake. Going off in a attempt to overtake is different from going off because of being overtaken and keeping a position. The first is not allowed (gaining) the second is justified (keeping).
Hey Rob, have a look at Max's onboard. He did not swing left.
Look again. He absolutely did
@@Grayfl1cks Nope. Not under braking. Nowhere near the corner. The track goes left before the right turn. He picks his angle with a small flick to the left prior to the braking zone then holds his line straight. His line does track left, but he is ahead and gets to choose it. His next steering input is to the right for the turn as Lando hits him.
Funny thing is the almost exact same thing happenned last year when Sainz was passed by Max. Difference was Max put his left tires on the curb and undercut him out of the corner. Go figure, there was a better solution than the one Lando came up with.
I am amazed how this channel never even mentions Max's race craft excellence throughout all of his wins yet spends so much time bashing the guy trying to defend the position he was put in. Max drove in the smoothest way possible against an impatient Lando not knowing what to do with the drs gift that was given to him. I really hope Max blows everyone away with pace this weekend so all of this biased chatter can cease.
1. Hard to see his race craft in wins when he's far ahead
2. Max clearly moved under braking. Everyone (incld. Horner) agrees except Max fans
3. Do you find it hypocritical Max complaining about Norris's divebombs when Max has made that a signature move of his?
I think Max fans should be honest and admit Max can, at times, go over the limit in his race craft, so much so it's a well known characteristic among the rest of the grid. Support your guy but don't be delusional about it.