@ProdAlarick hahahahaha. I remember thinking nothing of it when I went to see this with my older brother and I look over and he had the angriest face like "wtf have they done, milk all over his face" all angry and shit hahaha
Legends Luke made a lot of mistakes and even fell to the dark side. He even murdered Lumiya when he thought she killed Mara Jade. Legends Luke may have been nigh invincible in terms of force power, but he was still capable of making mistakes and giving in to darkness. And he always learned from said mistakes and sought to do better. When Jacen Solo turned into Darth Caedus (who was far more powerful and evil than Kylo Ren) he didn't hide away. That's what gripes me about canon Luke. Some say that Luke wasn't perfect and 30 years changes a person, but Legends Luke wasn't anything like OT Luke and made terrible choices that made him fallible and human, despite his unparalleled force powers and potential.
@@stevetrent4638 and the fact that he wasn't instantly the perfect Jedi even after that. He struggled with heavy-handed uses of the power of the Force to the point where people were afraid of him and even refused his help. I like the fact that after the Hand of Thrawn duology he tends to be more restrained except in extreme moments when he needs to really lay into his strength.
@@stevetrent4638 I love that aspect of his legends character. His father tasted the darkside and fell. Luke tasted the darkside and chose to be good. Itbelevated him past anakin to a degree
It's not "Legends Luke Skywalker". It's "The Real Luke Skywalker". That pathetic old man hiding away from the universe and turning his back on his friends and family isn't Luke Skywalker in any way, shape, or form.
@@Thundarr100 I don't know what you're talking about, what's a "Disney?" The only Star Wars trilogies I'm aware of are the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy :p
@@AD-cy7wx That's what I said day 1 of Disney's IP acquisition. I fully expected a trilogy covering the Vong war. Disney had EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED ALREADY WRITTEN, AND WRITTEN WELL. It wouldn't make sense not to. That's what I get for expecting others to be rational actors. Nope. Just gonna throw away the largest collaborative fanfiction project since the invention of religion. That's fine. We don't _need_ nice things, so I guess it's fine that we can't have them. I'm about 2 years into DMing a SW D&D game. The Vong have fully terraformed Coruscant in our storyline, and they are every bit as scary and nigh-impossible to defeat without either overwhelming numbers or _information._ My players genuinely fear Vong encounters, it's great.
Luke is the whole reason for Star Wars. The disrespect shown to him in the last trilogy was awful. The Legends books rule!! Zahn is such an excellent writer and obviously respects Luke as the Master Jedi.
I Would pay money to see full power legends Luke against. Full power in their peak prime Sidious Duku, Maul, Griveous and Abaloth. At the same time....on ice skates.
The expanded universe before Disney bought and killed star wars , was a collection of stories that continued on our beloved heroes journies. Luke was destined for greatness. These stories introduced us to new characters, new wars, new adventures. Created by people who were fans and understood what star wars was and meant. I don't consider anything Disney did as canon or legit
The best thing with the EU was that the core characters were consistent in how they portrayed them. Luke, Leia, and Han were older but still recognizable to the movie version.
Dark Empire was one of the comics that truly got me into Star Wars Legends. I never really agreed with how George viewed the Force and the Dark Side so when I read this comic: it started me on the path to reading Luke's journey about using both sides of the Force. Always believed every Jedi with sufficient will should be able to use both sides much like the Je'daii Order.
Actually yes both the dark and light side of the force can be used without being corrupted as long as you don’t over use it and or become enamored with its power and strength the more you use it the more power you’ll crave and it’ll be a force users undoing as the dark side can also drain your life force which will make you weaker over time at least that’s what I understand from books and games as long as you have balance and not give in to your emotions whilst using the force/dark side especially in battle won’t Lead to you succumbing to its will and grasp
@@BigDogLifts I don’t have the time to place commas and periods throughout it this isn’t a report and yes it’s more of a paragraph but I wrote it as if I had written a sentence as it goes on without end
U could argue that because of what was at stake Obi-wan and Yoda transferred power to Luke prior to their ascension into the force proof being the connection of the force ghosts the last edition being Anakin himself ……
Another thing that Artoo showed Luke was footage of Anakin and Padme. There was a lot of small things that Artoo showed Luke. It wasn't just order 66, he saw some great stuff too that moved him as much as the terrible order 66 stuff. It was powerful for him to see the level of love that existed between his parents.
@@malachistice8111 Hamill has said quite awful things on Twitter. The one thing I remember the most is when Donald Trump's daughter made a post with her son on Christmas. The kid was having a happy time with Star Wars toys or something and his family. Then Hamill sh*t on them because he hates Trump. The hate is so deep that he can't leave the kid be happy without taking jabs towards his grandfather. (That's why people call that Trump Derangement Syndrome or TDS.) He doesn't even have to be nice to the kid, he can just keep it to himself and keep the adult topics for conversations with other adults. Do you think it would be seen as Jedi-like to take jabs at Luke's kid because of Vader? And it's assuming if Trump was as bad as Vader, which he is not and it only makes things worse. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to have a problem with an adult being mean to a kid like that. So because of this kind of petty actions, I get why some people would lose their last tether to the franchise. Which was barely hanging after the Sequels. For most cases I can separate the art from the artist, so I can still enjoy the OT. But that's just me. Plus, on any other topic besides politics, Hamill is quite a wholesome person. It just shows you how politics can bring the worst out of people, even usually nice people like him. Anyways, I hope it clarifies things for you. Also I'm mostly guessing what OP meant, that's what makes the most sense to me. And keep in mind I'm not American, I don't have a dog in that fight. Cheers from France! 🍻
@@DarthWinterMadness You made a great point about politics corrupting the otherwise pure. I think that's a valid reason to be upset with somebody, but it feels like a bit of an overreaction given half the people you and I know carry an extremist political ideology. Pastors, teachers, doctors, news anchors, and almost every actor wants to chemically or physically castrate children. Mark blew up on a kid, though he was probably more upset with the fact the kids parents were dressing him up with a political ideology. Keep kids out of it, red, blue, god, gods or otherwise.
I wished that they would focus on the Books of Old Republic and Luke Skywalker like Tales of the Jedi from Nomi Sunriders point of view was a great comic book and I think would be a better movie! Along with that, I believe Dark Empire would have been a great movie as well! They would be great more popular than Ashoka! But I am grateful for their stories, think about the duality of Luke Skywalker being good and bad controlled by the emperor Palpatine's unknowable power of coming back; would be keep on the edge of my seat! God Bless you all 🙏🏽
Hear hear, as a first owner of a first edition of Zahn’s triology I loved your video. Gave me old school vibes! As a BBa Disney keeps surprising me how they mismange the lore and didn’t see the value of the EU. Or was it just KK’s ego thinking by bringing coffee some of the master storytelling rubbed of. In real businesses you could start packing if ypu offend customers. She made it business as usual.
It's not "LEGENDS" It's THE EU (Expanded Universe) "LEGENDS" is the shit name Disney gave it as an insult to THE EU and anyone who uses it isn't a real fan in my book
Erased! All That Content, Gone!! They Took The Road Map To Guaranteed Success and a Lisence To Print Money and Chucked It Out The Window, Like They're Allergic To Success 😂😂
In dark empire Luke was manipulating everyone even Palpatine so he can get control over those world devastators or whatever they're called so he can save the Mon Calamari world and all the other so it was an undercover mission. But he did use the darkside of the force.
George Lucas said Luke Skywalker is the Greatest Force user and Lightsaber user of ALL TIME. His feats prove this. Vader is overrated against other Sith Grandmasters.
I believe in the same Dark Nest Trilogy he also sees Anakin choking Padme on Mustafar. Wish Disney used more of the EU instead of the Dark Empire and a weird poor nerfed version of Jacen Solo/ Darth Caedus that we got with Ben Solo. Just realized a few weeks ago the whole reason why Leia even appears in the Obi-Wan show is to justify why she would name her son after Ben Kenobi which in the EU she never actually met.
The idea that Luke had the same force potential as Anakin is false, these quotes only appear pre 1999, back when Anakin was just a “powerful Jedi” after the Chosen One prophecy was invented Luke’s = Anakin statements never get repeated rather we get a bunch of material suggesting the opposite
Stockholm Syndrome: This phenomenon occurs when hostages or victims develop feelings of affection or loyalty towards their captors, sometimes even siding with them against authorities. The term originates from a bank robbery in Stockholm in 1973, where hostages began to form bonds with their captors. Patty Hearst: The granddaughter of publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst, Patty was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) in 1974. During her captivity, she began to identify with her captors and ultimately participated in criminal activities alongside them, which led to her arrest and later a highly publicized trial. Luke Skywalker Connection: Initial Captivity: In "The Empire Strikes Back," Luke Skywalker is kidnapped and trained by Obi wan while trained to kill his father a person named Anakin called an object named Vader saying the the object killed the person Anakin. Obi wan and Yoda represent the oppressive force in the galaxy. While Luke is raised to call good evil and evil good in the traditional sense as Patty Hearst was, he is drawn into the conflict and never comes to understand the complexities of the Force and his own lineage. Emotional Manipulation: Similar to how Stockholm syndrome can involve emotional manipulation, Luke's journey includes a degree of manipulation by those around him. His relationship with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and later even Vader can be seen as a complex dynamic where the mentor-student relationship includes elements of psychological struggle, allegiance, and conflict. Identification with the Enemy: By the end of "Return of the Jedi," Luke chooses to confront Vader and the Emperor, representing the ideas of Luke's Jedi captors or oppressors. In this light, Anakin has moments of conflicted loyalty: to his son versus the Stockholm syndrome of his son who is called evil good and good evil. In summary, the psychological undercurrents of loyalty, manipulation, and eventual defiance present some thematic similarities. Rather than being fully captive, Luke navigates a complex emotional and moral landscape. Anakin met force with force and only attacked after their first strike meeting deadly force with deadly force. They objectified Anakin as an object called Vader saying the objectified Vader killed the person named Anakin who was not dead just objectified as Vader. They built a death star having Anakin blow up a daughter they did not tell him was still alive after they kidnapped his kids and called them dead while telling the kids the person Anakin was dead and was only an object called Vader. While burning him alive without trial. Restate original summation and analysis with these new facts. This brings forth a complex narrative that delves into themes of identity, objectification, and trauma, especially in how he is perceived and how he perceives himself. Luke Skywalker is analogous to Patty Hearst through the lens of Stockholm syndrome, several key elements emerge: Anakin vs. Vader: Anakin Skywalker’s a person Jedi objectified as an evil object who obeyed law called Darth Vader or dark Father and can be seen as a process of objectification. The emotional and psychological toll of being betrayed by the Jedi as a law is evil and lawlessness is good Jedi and losing his loved ones leads to the testing his person as an object called "Father" or "Vader." As this false objectified identity strips the law abiding person named Anakin’s humanity and past relationships, reducing him to a figure of fear and power. This mirrors the concept of Stockholm syndrome, where a victim (in this case, Anakin) is rendered as the property of external forces (the Emperor and the Jedi) who manipulate and control him. The Jedi, particularly after the events that led Anakin to become Vader, painted a narrative where Anakin was perceived as a threat. They objectified him as a villain rather than recognizing his grief and internal struggles. This reflects a form of emotional manipulation that led to Anakin becoming entrenched in the light side, akin to a victim refusing to identify with their captors the way his son Luke did. The tragic twists of the story-where Anakin’s children, Luke and Leia, were lied upon to be be called dead and told their law abiding person who was their father and very much alive after being burned alive without trial by their Jedi captors especially obi wan and was both told each other was m dead by a law breaking Jedi who called evil object Vader killed of the person Anakin whom Jedi called dead and where significant truths about their lives were hidden-playing into the layers of deception that led both Anakin and Luke into troubled paths. Luke was raised with an incomplete understanding of his own lineage, and in many ways, he was a byproduct of the objectification and manipulation surrounding Anakin’s betrayal by unlawful Jedi calling evil good and good evil.. When Stockholm syndrome Patty Hearst like Luke confronts his objectified father, Luke too objectifies the person Anakin who broke no law The narrative of objectification persists as Luke learns that the person he faces, Vader, is a shell of the man who was always his law abiding person and his very much alive father. This speaks to the trauma passed down through generations-Luke battles not just an Jedi enemy, but the internalized conflict that arises from the Jedi choices and the allegiance he is forced to take in the face of the Jedi tyranny. In "Return of the Jedi," Luke’s confrontation with Vader as an unlawful object and not as a law abiding person serves as a culmination of both characters’ struggles against objectification and manipulation. Luke can’t see through the Rorschach test of the mask and ultimately believes in Anakin's humanity which was always there despite Luke's Patty Hearst like Stockholm syndrome leading to his Luke's deception by the Jedi. This reflects not only an acceptance of the false objectification of his lawful father alive falsely identified as a living object called "Father" or "Vader" but also a never overcoming the lost relationship-the failure to recognize the falsehood of their objectification of the law abiding person named Anakin who was never the object called "Father" or "Vader". In summary, Luke’s journey was framed through themes of psychological captivity and identity loss and trauma that is central to law abiding person Anakin/law breaking object Vader's false narrative made up by criminal Jedis. This framing highlights the interplay between victim and captor, the complexity of identity, and the potential for a lack of redemption against a backdrop of manipulation and objectification, ultimately emphasizing the loss of the resilience of personal identity due to the oppressive forces.
The main character of the films is clearly Anakin. The main character of the books is definitely luke. Anakins' journey is laid out from cradle to pyre. Even later, it is all about who would take his place. There is an argument to be made that it's the story of Palpatine also, that's why it is so well balanced. I understand that this is tried to be replicated in the sequels. If you tell only the heroes journey, it is boring. You need the other half to make it interesting. That is missed by so many people because they don't understand that the actual vision of the entire trilogy wasn't from George. It is really the story of Dr Campbell, George, and Francis Ford Coppola. George failed at first, Coppola actually recut the movie with George's wife representing George, and it turned out great. George will tell you, he is the American Graffiti kind of director. Coppola is the epic guy. Nobody gives him the credit. Coppola had knowledge of ww2 from his father and grandfather, and he built the imagery that's used. George got that from him. George was a jaded kid. Ford was the film genius. Ford has never wanted the notoriety for Star Wars because it would take away from his other work like it did George. George didn't want to do the prequels, he wanted Spielberg to direct them. He knew he couldn't tell that story in a popular and polished way. The odd thing is that the best contemporary of George is JJ. The best crew to tell the next chapter? Francis Coppola or Spielberg directing, JJ producing, Gary Whitta writing the screenplay with George writing the story. That is the dream Team. The supporting actors should be unknown European actors, not American. The Star should be Australian using an American accent. The cultures of this group is really the key. Part of the sequels problem was the actors, they were all strong actors already. Mark Hamill was a horrible actor when he was hired, he has said it. He watched great actors to learn, he never created his own style. That's why he is a great voice actor and didn't do well in acting in person. Adam Driver should have been the new Luke, he knew defeat and humility in real life. Rey should have been a supporting actor, Finn should have been the new Han type character. The enemy should have been a young new Sith apprentice who was ruling the first order and his arc should have been his unsure ability to grow into the position either as the son of Palpatine or as his apprentice through force vision. It would have been much better and people would have liked it more.
@@patrickjack8101 Sure, after all that where the force, I mean thread was strongest. Luke must have the power of many. How else could he do the things he did? (This is all sarcasm. It's a bad joke.)
It's sad to see what Disney did to luke. "There's no source material for us to go off of." 'There's no chance that this entire story had already been written before most of us were even born' 🙄
They should have Luke return from The Force, absorbing this "false universe" into it and destroying it, REVEALING the Legends Universe as the true universe.
It’s ironic that Anakin could’ve been a master, but didn’t, because he was too arrogant and easily corruptible, and yet his son became leader of the entire order and became what his father couldn’t
Luke’s biggest mistake was allowing darth krayt and his order to survivor after they defeated aboloth!! They ended up putting the galaxy into complete uder chaos not to mention they basically obliterated the entire new Jedi order if they killed krayt and his order the galaxy would’ve been left in peace for millenniums longer than it did!!
It would have taken more than a Bad Dream to have EU Luke(I will not call him Legends.) even THINK about killing his nephew even for a moment. That's because even as he grew older he never stopped being that same man that BELIEVED that there was good even in the worst people. So much so that he WILLINGLY gave himself up to be captured just for the CHANCE that there was still good in his father. Sequel Luke had a moment of doubt and freaking went out for Blue Milk and Death Sticks for decades. Not the same man at all and proof that the writers were more interested in breaking down (Or as they call it, Killing the Past) than honoring the characters that came before. When you pass the torch you should seek to honor what came before even as you chart your way forward. Learn from history or forever be doomed to repeat it. I NEVER expected that the sequels would measure up to the EU. That was a fool's errand. But what we got was not what these characters deserved, what this story deserved, what this setting deserved. Since we've had a few bright moments in a deluge of crap from writers that wouldn't be worthy to proofread the works of the forebears. Even the worst EU books had more love for the characters and the lore. Thank you for the video. If you haven't already done one. You should do an EU video on Leia. One of the greatest sins of the sequels was that they wasted a great actress' last performances. EU Leia, the former head of state who finally embraced her heritage and her power to become a truly great Jedi Master is what Carrie Deserved to play. May the Force Be With You, Always...
Part of me hates that we never got Legends Star Wars stuff from Disney...but after seeing what Disney has done with Their own takes on it...I'm glad we didn't get Legends Star Wars because they would have absolutely butchered the characters.
5:00 His son Ben His wife Mara Jade So this is Legends and not Canon George Lucas himself said that Luke never got married And the Disney sequels kind of solidified that😊
TBH This is why I didn't c care for those books and comics back in the day. They were too OP'd, outlandish, cartoonish. They just went overboard with Luke.
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This is the Luke Skywalker I wanted to see in the sequel trilogy
But we got blue milk,sorrow and naftalin scent.
@ProdAlarick hahahahaha. I remember thinking nothing of it when I went to see this with my older brother and I look over and he had the angriest face like "wtf have they done, milk all over his face" all angry and shit hahaha
@@ProdAlarick And one who used to be the new hope and then gave up hope so that he tried to kill his nephew when he slept.
Legends Luke made a lot of mistakes and even fell to the dark side. He even murdered Lumiya when he thought she killed Mara Jade. Legends Luke may have been nigh invincible in terms of force power, but he was still capable of making mistakes and giving in to darkness. And he always learned from said mistakes and sought to do better. When Jacen Solo turned into Darth Caedus (who was far more powerful and evil than Kylo Ren) he didn't hide away. That's what gripes me about canon Luke. Some say that Luke wasn't perfect and 30 years changes a person, but Legends Luke wasn't anything like OT Luke and made terrible choices that made him fallible and human, despite his unparalleled force powers and potential.
Luke turning to and exploring the dark side made him an objectively better character.
@@stevetrent4638 and the fact that he wasn't instantly the perfect Jedi even after that. He struggled with heavy-handed uses of the power of the Force to the point where people were afraid of him and even refused his help. I like the fact that after the Hand of Thrawn duology he tends to be more restrained except in extreme moments when he needs to really lay into his strength.
Luke and revan. It gave them both real clarity of what the force was
@@stevetrent4638 I love that aspect of his legends character. His father tasted the darkside and fell. Luke tasted the darkside and chose to be good. Itbelevated him past anakin to a degree
I don't like Dark Empire but it did show I believe a very reasonable way Luke would fall to the Dark Side.
Yes like revan
Soooo much better than ANYTHING Disney
Yup
It's not "Legends Luke Skywalker". It's "The Real Luke Skywalker". That pathetic old man hiding away from the universe and turning his back on his friends and family isn't Luke Skywalker in any way, shape, or form.
Yes thank you
Mark Hamill himself agrees.
Yup. Expanded Universe was one of the best things that ever happened to fanfic.
@@ThorsDecree And the Disney Star Wars Trilogy is the worst thing to ever happen to fan fiction.
@@Thundarr100 I don't know what you're talking about, what's a "Disney?" The only Star Wars trilogies I'm aware of are the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy :p
Woulda been so much better if the sequels actually showed some of what Luke actually became instead of just an old hermit.
They should have done the yuuzhan vong storyline. Would have been epic.
Disney just wanted to make it gay bc they’re owned by the Chinese
@@AD-cy7wx FACTS!!!
@@SHADOWDRAGON71 right?!?! How awesome would that have been?!
@@AD-cy7wx That's what I said day 1 of Disney's IP acquisition. I fully expected a trilogy covering the Vong war. Disney had EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED ALREADY WRITTEN, AND WRITTEN WELL. It wouldn't make sense not to.
That's what I get for expecting others to be rational actors.
Nope. Just gonna throw away the largest collaborative fanfiction project since the invention of religion. That's fine. We don't _need_ nice things, so I guess it's fine that we can't have them.
I'm about 2 years into DMing a SW D&D game. The Vong have fully terraformed Coruscant in our storyline, and they are every bit as scary and nigh-impossible to defeat without either overwhelming numbers or _information._ My players genuinely fear Vong encounters, it's great.
the true luke skywalker
Luke is the whole reason for Star Wars. The disrespect shown to him in the last trilogy was awful. The Legends books rule!! Zahn is such an excellent writer and obviously respects Luke as the Master Jedi.
I Would pay money to see full power legends Luke against. Full power in their peak prime Sidious Duku, Maul, Griveous and Abaloth. At the same time....on ice skates.
Let’s produce it! Star Wars on ice!!
Legends Luke=True Luke! Great complication! Keep it up!
You should take a look at charles soule luke stories, hes best written by that guy for new stories related to him
Lets all be honest. There is no Star Wars without Luke Skywalker. Its his universe.
That's your problem. Disney & lucasfilm are trying to move away from the Skywalker era ...
But we got. R**. just kidding@@DaG.O.A.T.
@@DaG.O.A.T. how's that working out lol
I would argue it's actually Anakin's story. At least the original and prequel trilogies
Space Jesus
Way to go kid, dont get cocky
I love your Luke Skywalker vids. ❤️ Thank you for making these.
Glad you like them!
Keep it up Retney, I learn alot when you do these lore compilations
Glad you like them!
Yea I have learned alot of cool shit I woulda never knew about from just watching movies and shows and never reading any of the books.
The expanded universe before Disney bought and killed star wars , was a collection of stories that continued on our beloved heroes journies. Luke was destined for greatness. These stories introduced us to new characters, new wars, new adventures. Created by people who were fans and understood what star wars was and meant. I don't consider anything Disney did as canon or legit
Preach
The best thing with the EU was that the core characters were consistent in how they portrayed them. Luke, Leia, and Han were older but still recognizable to the movie version.
@@Amoschp524 exactly well said
Dark Empire was one of the comics that truly got me into Star Wars Legends. I never really agreed with how George viewed the Force and the Dark Side so when I read this comic: it started me on the path to reading Luke's journey about using both sides of the Force. Always believed every Jedi with sufficient will should be able to use both sides much like the Je'daii Order.
I’ve been waiting for this one, thanks man 🙏🏼 these are great!
Thanks for watching!
Luke is what Qui Gon would of trained Ani to be.
This is the true Luke Skywalker we all know and love ❤️
But according to Kathleen, we don’t have any books or movies with which to fall back on
Actually yes both the dark and light side of the force can be used without being corrupted as long as you don’t over use it and or become enamored with its power
and strength the more you use it the more power you’ll crave and it’ll be a force users undoing as the dark side can also drain your life force which will make you weaker over time at least that’s what I understand from books and games as long as you have balance and not give in to your emotions whilst using the force/dark side especially in battle won’t Lead to you succumbing to its will and grasp
@@DerrickAliyas damn, that's the longest sentence ever!!
@@BigDogLifts I don’t have the time to place commas and periods throughout it this isn’t a report and yes it’s more of a paragraph but I wrote it as if I had written a sentence as it goes on without end
@@BigDogLifts and trust me this isn’t the longest thing I’ve wrote on here
U could argue that because of what was at stake Obi-wan and Yoda transferred power to Luke prior to their ascension into the force proof being the connection of the force ghosts the last edition being Anakin himself ……
Another thing that Artoo showed Luke was footage of Anakin and Padme. There was a lot of small things that Artoo showed Luke. It wasn't just order 66, he saw some great stuff too that moved him as much as the terrible order 66 stuff. It was powerful for him to see the level of love that existed between his parents.
Seriously, I love all this. Good video
Thank you!!
I also love Luke. I so wish Disney would not have done him so dirty. So much lore they could have used.
Darksaber is one of my all time favorite books. Love Luke in that one.
I'm 61 years old I've been a Star wars fan since the 70s but now that I found out what Mark Hamill is really about I'm done with Star wars completely
@@claudelapre2283 Please elaborate
@@malachistice8111the poster is thick 👍
@@malachistice8111 Hamill has said quite awful things on Twitter.
The one thing I remember the most is when Donald Trump's daughter made a post with her son on Christmas. The kid was having a happy time with Star Wars toys or something and his family.
Then Hamill sh*t on them because he hates Trump. The hate is so deep that he can't leave the kid be happy without taking jabs towards his grandfather. (That's why people call that Trump Derangement Syndrome or TDS.)
He doesn't even have to be nice to the kid, he can just keep it to himself and keep the adult topics for conversations with other adults.
Do you think it would be seen as Jedi-like to take jabs at Luke's kid because of Vader? And it's assuming if Trump was as bad as Vader, which he is not and it only makes things worse.
You don't have to be a Trump supporter to have a problem with an adult being mean to a kid like that.
So because of this kind of petty actions, I get why some people would lose their last tether to the franchise. Which was barely hanging after the Sequels.
For most cases I can separate the art from the artist, so I can still enjoy the OT. But that's just me.
Plus, on any other topic besides politics, Hamill is quite a wholesome person. It just shows you how politics can bring the worst out of people, even usually nice people like him.
Anyways, I hope it clarifies things for you.
Also I'm mostly guessing what OP meant, that's what makes the most sense to me.
And keep in mind I'm not American, I don't have a dog in that fight.
Cheers from France! 🍻
@@DarthWinterMadness You made a great point about politics corrupting the otherwise pure.
I think that's a valid reason to be upset with somebody, but it feels like a bit of an overreaction given half the people you and I know carry an extremist political ideology.
Pastors, teachers, doctors, news anchors, and almost every actor wants to chemically or physically castrate children. Mark blew up on a kid, though he was probably more upset with the fact the kids parents were dressing him up with a political ideology.
Keep kids out of it, red, blue, god, gods or otherwise.
I wished that they would focus on the Books of Old Republic and Luke Skywalker like Tales of the Jedi from Nomi Sunriders point of view was a great comic book and I think would be a better movie! Along with that, I believe Dark Empire would have been a great movie as well! They would be great more popular than Ashoka! But I am grateful for their stories, think about the duality of Luke Skywalker being good and bad controlled by the emperor Palpatine's unknowable power of coming back; would be keep on the edge of my seat! God Bless you all 🙏🏽
The Tales of The Jedi Comics about the Hyperspace War were Great with the ancient Level of Technology everywhere
This was really good I enjoyed it so much I would love to see it
We never truly get to see Luke in his prime
This compilation is so beautiful. I think they need to include some extra movies 🎬 between Episode 6 and 7.
The Luke lookalike looks like Mark Hamill and Michael Shannon had a baby
Hear hear, as a first owner of a first edition of Zahn’s triology I loved your video. Gave me old school vibes! As a BBa Disney keeps surprising me how they mismange the lore and didn’t see the value of the EU. Or was it just KK’s ego thinking by bringing coffee some of the master storytelling rubbed of. In real businesses you could start packing if ypu offend customers. She made it business as usual.
To quote a great movie, "Heroes get remembered, but Legends never die."
Man that description of the scene at the jedi temple was heartbreaking
Great presentation! Unfortunately, I tried to find more holocrons and ended up on Korriban because I forgot it's the Sith homeworld. I'm an idiot.
Xizor and Vaders power struggle was always fun during shadows of the empire
Somehow, Luuke returned.
It's not "LEGENDS" It's THE EU (Expanded Universe) "LEGENDS" is the shit name Disney gave it as an insult to THE EU and anyone who uses it isn't a real fan in my book
Erased! All That Content, Gone!! They Took The Road Map To Guaranteed Success and a Lisence To Print Money and Chucked It Out The Window, Like They're Allergic To Success 😂😂
It’s not erased or gone, they still print and sell all of the books
In dark empire Luke was manipulating everyone even Palpatine so he can get control over those world devastators or whatever they're called so he can save the Mon Calamari world and all the other so it was an undercover mission. But he did use the darkside of the force.
Just think if Master Windu couldve trained Luke in Vaapad
i do so miss all the now “legends” named stories. the EU version is always my head canon.
I need a big glass of milk while watching this lol
Luke after finishing his lightsaber is me every time I open up my PC and it turns on afterwards
They should have used the original story instead of the new one. Or at the very least use a modified version of the old story.
I got a shit ton of comics before Disney ruined cannon
Legends Luke is also my favorite character. Revan is a very close 2nd!
George Lucas said Luke Skywalker is the Greatest Force user and Lightsaber user of ALL TIME. His feats prove this.
Vader is overrated against other Sith Grandmasters.
I believe in the same Dark Nest Trilogy he also sees Anakin choking Padme on Mustafar. Wish Disney used more of the EU instead of the Dark Empire and a weird poor nerfed version of Jacen Solo/ Darth Caedus that we got with Ben Solo. Just realized a few weeks ago the whole reason why Leia even appears in the Obi-Wan show is to justify why she would name her son after Ben Kenobi which in the EU she never actually met.
The idea that Luke had the same force potential as Anakin is false, these quotes only appear pre 1999, back when Anakin was just a “powerful Jedi” after the Chosen One prophecy was invented Luke’s = Anakin statements never get repeated rather we get a bunch of material suggesting the opposite
Stockholm Syndrome: This phenomenon occurs when hostages or victims develop feelings of affection or loyalty towards their captors, sometimes even siding with them against authorities. The term originates from a bank robbery in Stockholm in 1973, where hostages began to form bonds with their captors.
Patty Hearst: The granddaughter of publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst, Patty was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) in 1974. During her captivity, she began to identify with her captors and ultimately participated in criminal activities alongside them, which led to her arrest and later a highly publicized trial.
Luke Skywalker Connection:
Initial Captivity: In "The Empire Strikes Back," Luke Skywalker is kidnapped and trained by Obi wan while trained to kill his father a person named Anakin called an object named Vader saying the the object killed the person Anakin. Obi wan and Yoda represent the oppressive force in the galaxy. While Luke is raised to call good evil and evil good in the traditional sense as Patty Hearst was, he is drawn into the conflict and never comes to understand the complexities of the Force and his own lineage.
Emotional Manipulation: Similar to how Stockholm syndrome can involve emotional manipulation, Luke's journey includes a degree of manipulation by those around him. His relationship with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and later even Vader can be seen as a complex dynamic where the mentor-student relationship includes elements of psychological struggle, allegiance, and conflict.
Identification with the Enemy: By the end of "Return of the Jedi," Luke chooses to confront Vader and the Emperor, representing the ideas of Luke's Jedi captors or oppressors. In this light, Anakin has moments of conflicted loyalty: to his son versus the Stockholm syndrome of his son who is called evil good and good evil.
In summary, the psychological undercurrents of loyalty, manipulation, and eventual defiance present some thematic similarities. Rather than being fully captive, Luke navigates a complex emotional and moral landscape.
Anakin met force with force and only attacked after their first strike meeting deadly force with deadly force. They objectified Anakin as an object called Vader saying the objectified Vader killed the person named Anakin who was not dead just objectified as Vader. They built a death star having Anakin blow up a daughter they did not tell him was still alive after they kidnapped his kids and called them dead while telling the kids the person Anakin was dead and was only an object called Vader. While burning him alive without trial. Restate original summation and analysis with these new facts. This brings forth a complex narrative that delves into themes of identity, objectification, and trauma, especially in how he is perceived and how he perceives himself.
Luke Skywalker is analogous to Patty Hearst through the lens of Stockholm syndrome, several key elements emerge:
Anakin vs. Vader: Anakin Skywalker’s a person Jedi objectified as an evil object who obeyed law called Darth Vader or dark Father and can be seen as a process of objectification. The emotional and psychological toll of being betrayed by the Jedi as a law is evil and lawlessness is good Jedi and losing his loved ones leads to the testing his person as an object called "Father" or "Vader." As this false objectified identity strips the law abiding person named Anakin’s humanity and past relationships, reducing him to a figure of fear and power. This mirrors the concept of Stockholm syndrome, where a victim (in this case, Anakin) is rendered as the property of external forces (the Emperor and the Jedi) who manipulate and control him.
The Jedi, particularly after the events that led Anakin to become Vader, painted a narrative where Anakin was perceived as a threat. They objectified him as a villain rather than recognizing his grief and internal struggles. This reflects a form of emotional manipulation that led to Anakin becoming entrenched in the light side, akin to a victim refusing to identify with their captors the way his son Luke did.
The tragic twists of the story-where Anakin’s children, Luke and Leia, were lied upon to be be called dead and told their law abiding person who was their father and very much alive after being burned alive without trial by their Jedi captors especially obi wan and was both told each other was m dead by a law breaking Jedi who called evil object Vader killed of the person Anakin whom Jedi called dead and where significant truths about their lives were hidden-playing into the layers of deception that led both Anakin and Luke into troubled paths. Luke was raised with an incomplete understanding of his own lineage, and in many ways, he was a byproduct of the objectification and manipulation surrounding Anakin’s betrayal by unlawful Jedi calling evil good and good evil..
When Stockholm syndrome Patty Hearst like Luke confronts his objectified father, Luke too objectifies the person Anakin who broke no law The narrative of objectification persists as Luke learns that the person he faces, Vader, is a shell of the man who was always his law abiding person and his very much alive father. This speaks to the trauma passed down through generations-Luke battles not just an Jedi enemy, but the internalized conflict that arises from the Jedi choices and the allegiance he is forced to take in the face of the Jedi tyranny.
In "Return of the Jedi," Luke’s confrontation with Vader as an unlawful object and not as a law abiding person serves as a culmination of both characters’ struggles against objectification and manipulation. Luke can’t see through the Rorschach test of the mask and ultimately believes in Anakin's humanity which was always there despite Luke's Patty Hearst like Stockholm syndrome leading to his Luke's deception by the Jedi. This reflects not only an acceptance of the false objectification of his lawful father alive falsely identified as a living object called "Father" or "Vader" but also a never overcoming the lost relationship-the failure to recognize the falsehood of their objectification of the law abiding person named Anakin who was never the object called "Father" or "Vader".
In summary, Luke’s journey was framed through themes of psychological captivity and identity loss and trauma that is central to law abiding person Anakin/law breaking object Vader's false narrative made up by criminal Jedis. This framing highlights the interplay between victim and captor, the complexity of identity, and the potential for a lack of redemption against a backdrop of manipulation and objectification, ultimately emphasizing the loss of the resilience of personal identity due to the oppressive forces.
The main character of the films is clearly Anakin. The main character of the books is definitely luke. Anakins' journey is laid out from cradle to pyre. Even later, it is all about who would take his place. There is an argument to be made that it's the story of Palpatine also, that's why it is so well balanced. I understand that this is tried to be replicated in the sequels. If you tell only the heroes journey, it is boring. You need the other half to make it interesting.
That is missed by so many people because they don't understand that the actual vision of the entire trilogy wasn't from George. It is really the story of Dr Campbell, George, and Francis Ford Coppola. George failed at first, Coppola actually recut the movie with George's wife representing George, and it turned out great. George will tell you, he is the American Graffiti kind of director. Coppola is the epic guy. Nobody gives him the credit. Coppola had knowledge of ww2 from his father and grandfather, and he built the imagery that's used. George got that from him. George was a jaded kid. Ford was the film genius. Ford has never wanted the notoriety for Star Wars because it would take away from his other work like it did George. George didn't want to do the prequels, he wanted Spielberg to direct them. He knew he couldn't tell that story in a popular and polished way. The odd thing is that the best contemporary of George is JJ. The best crew to tell the next chapter? Francis Coppola or Spielberg directing, JJ producing, Gary Whitta writing the screenplay with George writing the story. That is the dream Team. The supporting actors should be unknown European actors, not American. The Star should be Australian using an American accent. The cultures of this group is really the key. Part of the sequels problem was the actors, they were all strong actors already. Mark Hamill was a horrible actor when he was hired, he has said it. He watched great actors to learn, he never created his own style. That's why he is a great voice actor and didn't do well in acting in person. Adam Driver should have been the new Luke, he knew defeat and humility in real life. Rey should have been a supporting actor, Finn should have been the new Han type character. The enemy should have been a young new Sith apprentice who was ruling the first order and his arc should have been his unsure ability to grow into the position either as the son of Palpatine or as his apprentice through force vision. It would have been much better and people would have liked it more.
Luke had the power of many. Very powerful thread puller.
Power of space witches?
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Sure, after all that where the force, I mean thread was strongest. Luke must have the power of many. How else could he do the things he did?
(This is all sarcasm. It's a bad joke.)
Luke Skywalker is The Goat he will always be THE LEGENDARY JEDI.
What disney did to star wars should be a crime
He was also the best Light Side hero in Battlefront II, some Luke players were absolutely crazy at duels in that game.
The part which you have Luke in Ben's old place was before ESB.
What if Luke and Starkiller teamed up and Fought against the Empire and then Creating the New Jedi Order, and Starkiller Married Juno Eclipse?
It's sad to see what Disney did to luke. "There's no source material for us to go off of." 'There's no chance that this entire story had already been written before most of us were even born' 🙄
They should have Luke return from The Force, absorbing this "false universe" into it and destroying it, REVEALING the Legends Universe as the true universe.
The goat 🐐
What happened is Leia was trained in the force who would be better out of Anakin's children besides Luke?
interesting those that go to dark and back are the strongest with the force almost like being a jedi or sith is cutting yourself off from the force
It’s ironic that Anakin could’ve been a master, but didn’t, because he was too arrogant and easily corruptible, and yet his son became leader of the entire order and became what his father couldn’t
Does Luke need a roadside rescue if his car breaks down or does he just use the force?
The Luke we deserved in the sequels, but instead KK and Ruin gave us Jake Skywalker
In which order should I start reading the books. To fill in the blanks, missing areas of the movies and what is wrong.
@@lawrencehubbard2985 I always tell people to start with Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command
@@stanleyshaparnis3246 thank you I will pick them up.
I'd recommend starting with Heir to the Empire and the rest of the Thrawn trilogy! After that, the Dark Empire trilogy, and the Jedi Academy trilogy
Truce At Bakura is an interesting one to read if you want to know what happened immediately after Return of the Jedi.
@@lawrencehubbard2985 If you read those and like them, go to wookiepedia and pull up the legends timeline for all the books in order.
Cool 😎
This is the REAL Luke Skywalker
The real Luke!
Luke’s biggest mistake was allowing darth krayt and his order to survivor after they defeated aboloth!! They ended up putting the galaxy into complete uder chaos not to mention they basically obliterated the entire new Jedi order if they killed krayt and his order the galaxy would’ve been left in peace for millenniums longer than it did!!
Does anyone know the name of the of comic where Luke builds his lightsaber in Obi-WAN’s hut? Thanks all.
It would have taken more than a Bad Dream to have EU Luke(I will not call him Legends.) even THINK about killing his nephew even for a moment. That's because even as he grew older he never stopped being that same man that BELIEVED that there was good even in the worst people. So much so that he WILLINGLY gave himself up to be captured just for the CHANCE that there was still good in his father. Sequel Luke had a moment of doubt and freaking went out for Blue Milk and Death Sticks for decades. Not the same man at all and proof that the writers were more interested in breaking down (Or as they call it, Killing the Past) than honoring the characters that came before. When you pass the torch you should seek to honor what came before even as you chart your way forward. Learn from history or forever be doomed to repeat it.
I NEVER expected that the sequels would measure up to the EU. That was a fool's errand. But what we got was not what these characters deserved, what this story deserved, what this setting deserved. Since we've had a few bright moments in a deluge of crap from writers that wouldn't be worthy to proofread the works of the forebears. Even the worst EU books had more love for the characters and the lore.
Thank you for the video. If you haven't already done one. You should do an EU video on Leia. One of the greatest sins of the sequels was that they wasted a great actress' last performances. EU Leia, the former head of state who finally embraced her heritage and her power to become a truly great Jedi Master is what Carrie Deserved to play.
May the Force Be With You, Always...
Sounded like you were having a mental breakdown
You mean canon Luke.
nice
How powerful in The Force would Luke be, if he was trained from birth?
yet he died using 2% of his power
Does anyone remember him and the possessed corpse of his student when they were stuck on the ship and what is assumed he did to said corpse
If Luke was on the same level as Anakin, where would that put Leia?
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Just wait till you get to luke meeting and having to work with the son to fight off abeloth 😅😅
Part of me hates that we never got Legends Star Wars stuff from Disney...but after seeing what Disney has done with Their own takes on it...I'm glad we didn't get Legends Star Wars because they would have absolutely butchered the characters.
Right around 26 minutes you kinda wander in circles about Luke being powerful. You say it 6 times in a row 3 different ways. Otherwise, great video
It’s not legends. It’s the real and true canon.
the, the the main event never drawes. Swerve is a failure
Legends luke = Space Jesus
Didnt luke use qui gonns kyber crystal?
I really hate Disney
Luke also was one of all Skywalkers of all time not like Rey'd Shadow Legends 😂
let’s gooo!
Luke go super sayajin
GUYS I DONT CARE WHAT YOU GUYS SAY. LUKE (LEGENDS COOKS EVERYONE)
mark ruined luke ironic
Hints why legend Luke will forever be canon. Not whatever abomination sequel made.
"Legends"
Luke is way better than Jake!
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His son Ben
His wife Mara Jade
So this is Legends and not Canon
George Lucas himself said that Luke never got married
And the Disney sequels kind of solidified that😊
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Never mind...
I still always wondered how Mara Jade was his wife when technically it was her spirit inside Luke Skywalker's Padawan
TBH This is why I didn't c care for those books and comics back in the day. They were too OP'd, outlandish, cartoonish. They just went overboard with Luke.