What if Robert Horry Didn't Hip Check Steve Nash
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ม.ค. 2018
- Robert Horry's career has been defined by clutch shots. Afterall, his nickname is 'Big Shot Bob'. In Game 4 of the 2007 western conference semifinals between the Suns and Spurs, Horry connected on another big shot. Only this one wasn't a jumper. It was a hip check that might've swung the outcome of the entire Playoffs. In Episode 6 of the series 'What If', Chris Miles looks at what might've happened had Horry's hip check never occurred
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Robert horry has so many moments in his playoff career that altered nba history and HOF players legacies . Crazy to think of
nba: Literally bodies steve nash but its fine
nba: nah stoudemire was on court that not right 1 game suspension
The Spurs lost like 6 points for game 5, the Suns like 30 in game 5 because of Horry. He will always be the biggest shitbag of the NBA.
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These games were clearly rigged. 2000-2008 had some sketchy stuff going down. Especially in the West.
Nowadays it's more subtle rigging lol
@@ishmaelm1932 I generally hate subscribing to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, but what with what happened with that ref rigging games around that time, I believe it.
@@ishmaelm1932 As a die hard Sacramento fan...I Say ABSOUTELY. 2002 Lakers vs Kings and 2006 Heat vs Mavs RIGGED 100%
@@ishmaelm1932 all sports are rigged !
The Suns' rivalries with the Spurs and the Lakers were intense. God I miss those days.
For real man
Throw n Dallas also. The Wild Wild West was a grind
Nash was a beast on those years!
From 04-05 to 09-10
Except when Bruce Bowen played great defense on steve nash!!!! 😂
@@scottsullivan7129 Bowen was a dirty cunt who threw elbows and knees to play defense
"accidentally" ran into nash lmao
There are a lot of layers to this story. Nash was stoudemire’s mentor both on and off the court. Stoudemire battled some serious demons as a young man and His close friendship with Nash meant a lot to him, so it’s fair to say stoudemire was beyond incensed to see his buddy flagrantly hip checked into the scorer’s table. His reaction was perfectly natural and completely spontaneous. Stern could have and should have intervened to annul the suspension.
Spurs lost 6 points per game, Suns lost 30+.
Yeah, but this was back in 2007 and I guess they didn't see Black athletes as human, so they never considered that. There was no ill intent from Amare, and he was like 90% on the sideline holding the rest of his team back. It would have been better if people used their brains and put common sense into the equation at least once in a while
@@josephhect5339 they didn't see black athletes as human in 2007, huh?
@@eyeconqueror1185 bro acting like 2007 is 1960's
@@josephhect5339 🤡
I attended Game 5 in Phoenix. At one point, the Suns were up by 16 in the game but ran out of gas in the stretch and ultimately lost the game. I feel that if Amare and Boris were in the game, we'd have won it and then gone on to win the series. We feel that the officiating gave the series to the San Antonio 'Sterns'.
the series was fixed
@@iuser025 It absolutely was.
Sore losers don’t win championships. Sorry
Ima Spurs fan & I will say I'm still ashamed of how dirty we played & The Suns were screwed
@@dominiquejones3805 I had no problem with Tim Duncan or Manu Ginobili, it was the supporting cast in most cases. Pop was a good coach but he could get dirty.
This was a massive momentum move..killed the series for the Suns. Honestly, Horry is a player you died for on your team tough and clutch. But as an enemy, u hated his guts
Hopefully, there is a special place in hell reserved for him.
@@mathewhorodner2000 k
Horry had history with the Suns anyways ... in 1997 he was a member of the Suns and had played 32 games with the team after being acquired through a trade that shipped Sir Charles off to Houston. Due to personal history between Horry and the new head coach of the Suns, Danny Ainge, Horry threw a towel at Ainge and was subsequently sent to the Lakers.
Later on Diaw played a crucial role in wining the championship as a Spurs, at least good for him.
What was Brent Barry smoking when he said "I think Robert Horry accidentally ran into Steve Nash"?
That guy is a moron
It was his teammate so he’s not gonna outright say oh he did it but I feel you man that guys a piece of shit. It was stupidly blatant lol and also rigged
He was just joking that's Brent's humor
🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂
BB is an idiot.
To date the dumbest penalty ever. Cost the suns the series.
And a champion ship
And the championship. These were the 2 best teams in the playoffs, and it was a breeze after this series to the title
@@weredid2kgowrong102 It was such bullshit. Losing Horry cost the Spurs maybe 6 points per game, but the Suns losing Stoudemire and Diaw cost the Suns like 30 points (conservatively). And they were suspended for defending a teammate after a total bitch move.
@@jefftriphahn3496 Yeah, this is why sometimes I hate "rules. I understand you want to keep things consistent, but at the end these people are humans. If I see my good friend/teammate get knocked over by a guy that big and I see my coach running, I'm going to make sure my coach isn't the next victim. There was clearly no ill intent from the Suns. You can clearly see them holding everyone back once everyone gets a grip of what's going on
@@jefftriphahn3496 sun were up by double digit in game 5 they just choked and in game 6 they have diaw and amare they still lost
It broke my heart..I was devastated by that moment...die hard fan of phoenix suns nash and stoudemire era,that season I think is their best chance to taste being a champions..so sad it didn't happen😭💔
Joe Klein stepped on Danny Manning's foot in 1993. If they continued to have Manning, they would have had a dynasty with KJ-Barkley-Manning............that was the best Suns team...short-lived :/
if they had Manning, they would have beaten Houston easily and not have choked
Well if it makes you feel any better, the Spurs were going to win anyway 🤷🏿♂️
exactly!!!@@MrCandlewax
Same here man. This series made me stop watching sports altogether.
How many brawls happened in the NBA and players leaving the bench yet not all were suspended.
This was only 3 or so years after malice at the palace so the league was being stupidly strict. It was so dumb.
@@eyeconqueror1185 They were stupidly strict, except when Duncan and Parker walked onto the floor from the bench earlier in the series when there was a scuffle. Double standards.
@Jordan Barclay Search the shit yourself my guy. I'm not google.
Suns were literally robbed out of a championship. The whole future of the NBA would’ve been different if Robert Horry wasn’t a sore loser or if the rules weren’t so strict. Not even a Suns fan.
Facts
the Suns even choked in game 5 when they didn't have Stoudemire and Diaw...they were up by more than 10 at the half and leading the whole game...then, they threw the game away at the end and lost by 3...................Can a team like the Spurs get any luckier........that championship was NOT earned by them
The Suns had a 15 point lead Game 5 and blew it.
@@mathewhorodner2000 your confusing luck with greatness... Spurs were a dynasty and were relevant for over 20 years! Get real bro.. spurs earned every single championship they ever won. Could have had six but I'm not going to cry about that finals loss to Miami.
@@rodman1163 Guess it depends on what your definitions of "earned" and "class act" are ;- )
You guys left out the whole part about the crooked ref
Ya and Bruce Lee Bowen with his dirty thug ass plays
It’s 2021 and the suns are in the finals. After bev hit CP3 with a Cheap shot this brought me back here
Everyone saying it wasn’t the spirit of the rule. Agreed but they didn’t technically break the rule either. According to VP of officiating, “you can’t leave the bench during an altercation.” Well, check the tape, the “altercation” if you want to call it that (arguably didn’t even rise to that level) happened well AFTER Amare and Boris left the bench. Can’t “leave” the bench during and altercation if you’re not actually there when it started. They went over to help/check Nash and just got unlucky that an altercation later broke out while off the bench. By that logic, just start on altercation while a previously sitting LBJ is now on the court during a timeout high fiving players coming back to the bench and he’s gone for next game. (Best to Save this move for a game 6 with a game 7 pending).
So, Horry absolutely bodies Nash into the table, but Phoenix gets penalized and loses the series for it. Damn, everybody should start body checking people during the playoffs. Just dig out your bench and get some people suspended by using them as free fouls.
Amazing how that works, right? And then you get to gloat to everyone how good you were to win the championship that year while the team that genuinely deserved to win that year gets written off
Exactly, that's the message the NBA was sending when they did this.
I love how everyone conveniently forgets that Horry got ejected and suspended the rest of the series. Diaw and Amar’e were suspended for ONE game. They had the chance to send the series to 7 in Game 6 but they couldn’t close. Say what you want about Horry, but he was a major part of the Spurs offense.
Idk maybe don’t rush the court if it gets you suspended.
@@romanramirez7847 horry averagedlike 5 points a game that series
Suns win the series in 7 if Horry doesn’t hipcheck Nash...
LOL ... How do you figure ... the better team won.
@@jonathanwilson2363 did you even watch the fuckin video?
I don't see it. As much as I would have loved to see the Suns beat the Spurs, I think they would have lost to them anyway even with home court advantage in Game 7.
@@leoprince691 nah they had the spurs number that year. Exactly why Horry cheap shotted Nash. He knew the momentum was shifting. They might not have had a game seven if the refs didnt fuck us and suspend Stoudemire. But yea the spurs were good.
The 2 chokes in playoff series to Houston in 1994 and especially 1995 were even more devastating................and Joe Klein stepped on Danny Manning's foot...if he didn't, the Suns would have had a dynasty with the KJ-Barkley-Manning combo
Thanks a lot Greg Anthony
I'm a long time Suns fan. Steve Kerr said it best, we're looking for a little common sense in a situation like this. I've never been convinced that Phoenix would have won the series if Amare and Boris weren't suspended. Maybe they would have...maybe not. However, the suspensions guaranteed they wouldn't win game 5. I think both Suns and Spurs fans would have rather had the series decided on the court without controversy than have this question linger. Of course, San Antonio won the championship so their fans probably don't think about it as much as Suns fans do.
I think it sucks but the more disciplined team won. They wouldn’t have to worry about getting suspended if they had a higher basketball IQ.
Absolutely it definitely cost them. The fix was n
Wasn't 2007 the year Tim Donaghy got caught betting on games he was involved in? There was a report that he bet on game 3 for the spurs.
Yes siree.
Wasn't this the game where Duncan left the bench in the first half and didn't even get a technical?
Awwscrewit you mean suspended.
Yup
apples and oranges ... there was no fight going on when Duncan came onto the floor to check on an injured team mate.
@@jonathanwilson2363 By no means is it apples to oranges. If you leave the bench area that's an automatic 1-game suspension. The circumstances don't matter. I'd also love to point out how this rule has actually never really been called and pretty much isn't even a thing nowadays. They intentionally fucked over the Suns with this one.
as a spurs fan i have to admit the suns would have won the series and won the title
Only respectable spurs fan ive seen
@Uncle Moby 2 I am an honest spurs fan
As a Laker fan I think the same about the 02 Kings. That Kings team was prob the team that scared me the most in Kobe’s 5 chip run. Spurs annoyed me the most though, I genuinely hated Duncan when I was 9 because he didn’t play “sexy” lol
Delusional
Horry is some kind of time traveller, who stays incognito until right at peak moments where he can change the course of NBA history
If Phoenix won this series, they would have had a clean sweep and won the championship against a young Lebron Cavs. Kerr wouldn’t have been GM and traded everyone.
No, LeBron will beat those Mike Dantoni system. LeBron is an upgraded Steve Nash. LeBron even beats the Pistons so why won't they beat the Suns with horrible defense.
Andrew Liu Lebron back than is not Lebron prime. Lebron had 0 other good players on his team; He carried through an easy eastern conference on his own.
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The east is a easy I agree but he single handedly beats the Pistons so no doubt he will have no problem against the Suns.
@@andrewliu111 The Pistons didn't have Ben Wallace or Larry Brown anymore
@@dechefmane3526 they are still good.
This was like when Draymond Green got suspended during 2016 finals. it altered the course for them
Hurts to this day stat and Nash should be champs
Flagrant technical ejection! RC
Horry always was a clutch player but he is a bad person and played dirty. He tried to seriously hurt nash... I remember watching that live. I lost all my respect for him...
And now mike dantoni is steve nash assistant coach
You did a fine job of enforcing thr rules!😊
Stu Jackson is the worst executive ever. He ruined the Vancouver grizzlies. No wonder he was the one responsible for making this decision.
Amar'e looking like he's a member of DEVO
suns were robbed of being champs that year
They lost in six.
@@jonathanwilson2363 You can't just write ''they lost in six'', it's just stupid. They lost game 5 without Stoudemire and Diaw by 3 points. Then went to play on road with a 3-2 deficit because the NBA rigging the series.
@@jonathanwilson2363 And I didn't even mentioned the game 3 circus were over 10 calls favored the Spurs, when they were supposed to go to the Suns.
Braulio Pérez doesn’t mean they will win game 6 if it didn’t happen buddy
@@braulioperez6558 they obviously dont know how momentum works. Even Steve Kerr explains how it works but they didn't listen to that either
Ima Spurs fan and i was ashamed of how dirty we played defense & the league had it out 4 Phoenix. The suspensions ruined a good series
We got so lucky when Nash kept bleeding too and had to get benched. I think we would have lost that game
Excuses man we played good in that last game and Tony Parker went off in game 6
I'm a Spurs fan as well..but damn if it wasn't for that Duncan doesn't have 5 Manu and Tony don't have 4 and Horry doesn't have 7 :) lol
I cried :(
Stat and nash deserved to be NBA champions that year. Stat outplayed tim duncan. Thats why i consider stat better then tim.
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Brent Barry at minute 2:05 might have made the most asinine comment I've ever heard!
Yeah true. I guess we shouldn't expect anything less when he is literally one of the spurs players from that game
He did get checked but he also added a little flop and acted like he was KOd
@@davidgonzales8252 I'm skeptical as to whether or not someone like Steve Nash would ever act like he got KO'd. It looked pretty painful
I mean he was on the team lmao
David Gonzales he battled back problems throughout his career dude. It’s what eventually did him in.
The “what if” should be .... “what if stoudimire & diaw wouldn’t have left the bench?”. That’s what really cost Phoenix. Mental self control is a big part of basketball.
Please. It's the freakin' playoffs. Emotions are high. It's just a natural reaction. They didn't join in any confrontation, fight, etc. Just checking on their fellow player. Nothing mentioned about the corrupt official who said the series was swung to the Spurs. Another video I quess.
You’re clearly someone who isn’t competitive nor have you played sports at a high level
NBA don’t wanna bring up that whole fiasco with the ref.
I think about this shit every goddamn day
I think more about the 1993 Finals
You know damn well we would have won the championship we have the best team in the NBA
Blame the Malice at the Palace 🥺
True, this was just 3 years before and on everyone's mind.
This is anutha reason why Horry should be in Hall of Fame! Was this Horry on his own or did Popovich call this.
If you leave the vicinity of the bench during an altercation...automatic 1 game suspension.
Pop had someone with a camera watching
I love Steve Nash and I’m a spurs fan but I’m sorry Steve you would of died if no one stopped you and Robert from fighting
I've seen small guys beat the shit out of big guys so who knows!!!!
Basketball players really aren't shit against hockey players. Sorry.
@Big Dick Playaaa Getting paid more doesn't make you any less of a pussy. Most of these NBA players cry the moment they get bumped. Overpaid prima donnas
Let me go ahead and explain this before anyone else grossly misunderstands it:
Steve Nash grew up a hockey player, in Canada. In the NBA, people took major shots at him, and he played through 95% of it. Dude was tougher than just about any active player is today. Most of these players you breathe on them and they flop, they hurt themselves more by falling than the other player did brushing their uniform.
@@gsog6078 I don't know who would win but Oakley vs domi Rodman vs Barnaby Xavier
McDaniel vs probert lindross vs Shaq would be entertaining but I would bet on the NBA players
If dude bumps me like he did Parker in the first few seconds, we gotta work!
They win game 5 they win it all
NBA was just not ready to be dominated by a small size player like steve nash
but look at from 2015 till present times, I think small-sized players now are more popular, skilled, and contributive to the team than all big men
except : lebron, giannis and Anthony Davis
Deandre Ayton
And not one mention of Tim Donaghy 😂 2007 Suns without a DOUBT was the biggest robbery in sports history.
As a former basketball and suns fan.... you’re completely right. Right along with the 02 kings . The 2 most BS things to ever happen in basketball.
“Accidentally” 🤨
nash is reaally a gentleman，still shake hands with Duncan😢 a role model. However，still much respect to Stoudmire❤
Brent Barry talking crazy smh
He's a biased moron
His father and brother are smarter lol
Barry is just glad that this moment led to there actually being a worse player on the court than him during this series. Since PHX was without their starting 4 & 5 they had to get minutes from Pat Burke in game 5.
He was his teammate. What did you expect? Lmao
Robert Horry’s revenge from his days playing in PHX
So Amare is a hippy now. Cool
No coincidence Robert Horry was a big part of 7 championship
The NBA FU*KED UP the suns that year. They stole Phoenix championship that year with those suspension.
When Barbosa ran up on Robert Barbosa didn’t want none like he thought he did lol
Funny they dont mention the cheating ref in Game 3 Tim Donaghy
I'm wondering if they actually went thru 32 team logos in that first 3 seconds?? Anybody care to count???
Like Steve Kerr said lets have some common sense here
lot of tough breaks for suns fans
You are kidding. And after this season they started to dismantle the team . Marion going to the heat killed me. This whole series is what made me stop watching sports .
Amare Stoudemire took a break from hackie sack for that interview.
I hope Suns win the 2021 Championship
Well David Stern isn’t alive to prevent it
this is for everyone that doesn't believe Nikola Jokic should be suspended for (ironically) what happened with Ishbia. The rules - whether you like them or not - are the rules. Players can't leave the bench and touch the court and players can't leave the court and initiate contact with spectators. It's that simple. The Suns were hosed but it was the rule. If the Nuggets get hosed (should be) then it's because it IS the rule. I don't know how else to describe it.
What Steve Nash do to you
The thing is Tim Duncan came off the bench in the third quarter of that very game. So by rule he should have been suspended for game 5. I am so glad Kobe torched them the next year and sent bs Bob's raggedy behind into retirement.
yeah
CP3 will going to claim that should be a Championship team by S.Nash and Co.
Wow. Was that really a big deal because he was Steve Nash? Steve who? Check 0:54. How come no one talks about this?
Both teams played physical.. there's a difference between denying a shot and making them earn it at the line, vs just checking them into the announcer table because you're upset they're trying to run around you. lolol
What you are referring to happens in every game and is just a normal foul not a flagrant. Also look like he flopped too, very small contact. Getting body checked into a table, it was obvious horry was trying to hurt him. The spurs may have got the ring, but they played very dirty. The Nash era suns had alot of class, spurs didnt.
Brother? 👀👀
@@carringtonsalgado5118 lol. Same last name.
GG for the rob Spurs
8:56 They for sure would have reached the finals. They were not losing to that Utah Jazz team
Lmao funny how no one gives the spurs credit for beating them but that rule is stupid though if your teammate needs help you go and protect your brother
I can't believe that people consider the Spurts a model franchise. One of the dirtiest teams in all of pro sports. Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Greg Popavich, all dirty with no morals who will injure opposing players in order to win.
Phil Jackson called Bruce Bowen "Edward Scissorhands"
I was pissed when Popo had the audacity to complain about Zaza
It's only cause of Tim Duncan's nice guy persona. Somehow that made up for all their shady shit.
Wait?! Who is that guy with that funny red hat?!
In the alternate timeline:
And the Suns have finally beat their rival Spurs in 7 games.
2 weeks later:
After 14 years, the Suns make their long awaited return to the Finals after beating the Jazz in 5.
3 weeks after:
It’s over, the 39 year wait has finished. The Suns have swept the Cavs and won their first NBA title
Stimulus package
Things turn around now Spurs are not in the Finals and Suns are
Sounds like the curse of reggie Miller with artest in hes prime 🤦🏽♂️
Did Horry get fined or suspended for the hip check? Or just a common foul ?
He got suspended for it
IIRC it was deemed a Flagrant 2 and he was suspended after.
He got suspended the rest of the series.
The Suns win a ring simple. What the hell's LeBron gonna do them with freakin Drew Gooden and Anderson Varejao?
It doesn't take a detective to see that Amare and boris were running to check on Steve. They barely even looked at a spur, nor did they get close enough to even spit on them. Very poor choice to suspend those players.
Suns had 2 chances to win one game to force a game 7 so stop it. They wouldn’t have won. They should’ve won game 6 since they were at “full strength”
They are whiners when it was explained after the brawl in Detroit don’t leave the bench. D’Antoni never coached defense is why they kept losing to the Spurs and Lakers.
@@anthonytobias5459 Losing to the Spurs, sure ... but the Suns owned the Lakers pretty much through the thick of the Steve Nash era.
Man do you even watch Basketball or are just talking nonsense? Winning a game 6 on San Antonio with all your players tired after playing a Game 5 with practically no bench, it's an almost imposible task.
@@GONZUdAce11 sir stop it. you sound soo soft making excuses talking about “players tired”. It’s the PLAYOFFS you either want it or you don’t. They obviously didn’t. You don’t have to know basketball to know common sense.
Cheap shot Bob. What a pile of garbage. The NBA suspending Stoudamire was a crime.
Those rules were bogus and so were the suspensions handed out to the Kmicks in 1997 after PJ Brown flipped over Charlie Brown
I was so pissed when I watched that, I wanted Nash to fuck Horry up hocky status. (He's a Canuck right, isn't that their thing?). And when I heard the suspensions the next day I slow clapped and said (their you go assholes, you just gave the Spurs another trophy."
I'd be the same way I know I'd be hurting you're Robert boy is a big dude. I probably go down and get hurt get back up go out and get hurt again LOL. Now she's Tougher Than People give him credit for he might have whipped him. Pains temporary until it isn't haha.
for that reason he was expelled from the oscar academy 😂
nash coulda easily landed a big one on horrys and knock him out once he got up. Thats how u kno nash is a good one
Cheap Shot Rob
The Suns blew a 15 point lead in game 5, and led most of the game. Only to blow it at the end. Kurt Thomas filled in nicely. Then in game 6 got handled by San Antonio at home. Even if the Suns win game 5, they are getting beat in game 6 most guaranteed. So like 08 with New Orleans you are getting a game 7. It's 50/50, but I like the Spurs championship experience in a game 7 against those Suns. Just like they beat a talented New Orleans team at home in 08 game 7. Against those Suns I like the Spurs in a deciding game. Absolutely nonsense to say Stoudemire's suspension for game 5 cost them the series. A game which the Suns should have won, but blew it at the end. And if the Suns win game 5, then game 6 is almost certainly a total blow out, even more lopsided then it was. With game 7 to decide the series, and I like the Spurs.
Suns never won because the team never played defense and Nash was a bad defensive player he always lost to the Lakers or Spurs.
@@anthonytobias5459 Nash actually owned the Lakers in the playoffs. Only got beat by them one time.
during that game the SPURS walked across the line several times during the game!
The hip check didn't cost Sun's chance to win a champ, Stoudemire and Diaw did. And i think that was a win-win situation, Spurs won the title, and Sun's fans can forever live in "what if's",it was a life-long excuse for not winning a title
They have a chance this year. With Pop about to retire Spurs won't be good for awhile.
@@tylongkicks8821 The Suns are really good now and play defense it’s a fun team to watch.
They really suspended him for that? Kinda soft honestly
It was a rule created in reaction to the "Malice at the Palace" incident in 2004. The NBA was suffering a big image problem after that debacle and created the rule that if a player left the bench during an "altercation", it was an automatic suspension. It seems like a knee-jerk reaction now, but the players knew the rule and some of them still broke it.
The Phoenix Suns would go on to win the NBA championship if Amare and Diaw were never suspended. They win over Utah and Cleveland in 4 or 5 games.
What if the Suns kept that 15 point lead in Game 5?
They had the lead almost the entire game...People tend to forget about that...that is what is so sickening
@@mathewhorodner2000 exactly. That's why I don't give anybody that excuse about them losing to the Spurs. Robert Horry didn't change that series
@@mathewhorodner2000 the reason they lost that 15 point lead was because D’Antoni didn’t bring anybody off the bench the entire first half.
@@DTS_I yeah, Mike D' never developed the bench. He refuses to play guys, he could have brought Jalen Rose or Sean Marks off the bench - they never even played that game they were short-handed.