What happened to Willie Cicci? | The SHOCKING truth! | The Godfather Explained
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- In The Godfather Part II, Don Michael Corleone survives an assassination attempt and must find out who tried to have him whacked, with the main suspects being Hyman Roth and Frank Pentangeli.
When Frank flips, his right hand man Willie Cicci also testifies against Michael ("The family had a lotta buffers"). But what happened to Cicci after the film? Check out the video to find out the plans for Cicci in The Godfather Part III, where it seems Francis Ford Coppola had the character in mind to be the street boss of New York and the Corleone Crime Family.
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We all know he moved to Philly and became a low level boss that employed a struggling boxer as an enforcer... He was an ok guy
He gave his buddy some money to take his special girl to the zoo!
Yes, I remember when he was ringside for the big fight.
you dont think I hear things?
@@ElliottNest39he was killed right after
Take her to the zoo
I liked the character, Willie Cicci. Joe Spinell was perfect for the role - an excellent actor. It’s a shame that he died at age 52.
That wasn’t no heart attack. Believe me.
Well I say Joe Spinell was lucky he didn't die at 38 in the Risotto Brothers shootout, then getting hit by a 58 Lincoln 10 seconds later.
Not everybody gets to survive a bad day at the office like that. At least he got to see another 14 years.
@@kellykiser7600 You’re right it wasn't no heart attack.
It took a while but Michael reached out to one of his buffers and convinced him to
disguise himself as a glass shower door and took Cicci out in 1989.
He also said the mobster in the Simpsons is characterized after Cicci.
It’s sad when they go young like that
By 2028 the Corleone Family will be completely legitimate.
Completely.
....oh Michael...
@@babscabs1987 😂😊😅😊😂
That was 7 years ago.
@@babscabs1987 tremendous
He started a new life running a cab company. He did personnel work, and was in charge of their hiring.
How's your driving record?
Military record?
Do you celebrate Jewish Holidays?
he joined the witness protection plan and became a loan shark in Philadelphia
facts and started short handing rocky 🤣😂
Considering that Willy Cicci testified before a Senate committee…there’s no way he could have become a boss.
He wouldn't be the first snitch to become the boss of a crime family. If you do the research, you'll find that Lucky Luciano himself was a snitch, stemming from an arrest for narcotics. All those codes that they supposedly live by are b.s. and always have been. Ultimately, they are gang members with little more honor than the Bloods, Crips or MS 13. Another thing they all have in common with the mafia is that they all prey upon the poorest and most vulnerable of their own kind.
Joe Biden was a Senator and now he is boss of the biggest crime family
IKR
Glad you did an episode on Willie Cicci. I was surprised by his testimony in the movie. After all he was a known hitman. Also, I always liked Cicci's character, he was cool and a link to the modern day unlike any other Godfather character I can think of off hand. I say that because the mid 50s to the mid 70s is only 20 years and the Godfather has such an old school vibe to it. But, the new guys like the Rosato brothers were based on the Gallo brothers and later Joey Zaza on John Gotti I think, it comes together. Thanks!
I love his face when he’s blasting Cuneo through the glass revolving door during the purge. Amazing acting.
Edit: 5:15 there’s that face
What ever happened to Willie, it wasn’t no heart attack.
That's cold joey
Nahh.. that wasn't no heart attack. Lol
What ever happened to Gary cooper, the strong silent type??
He forgot the shine box and that couldn't go unpunished lol
@@Yamaha38XCRacer will you stop?? Group ! Group !
I would have assumed that he would get a similar deal to Pentangeli. Willie Cicci was also just another victim caught up in the scheme by Roth. He would have never voluntarily betrayed the Corleone unless he thought he was betrayed. Perhaps Tom also visited Willie, thus Cicci officially retracts everything he testified to, thus perjuring himself. Then proceeds to commit seppuku to restore his honour and to protect his family.
I like how in the Godfather movies, you can find that many of the characters are based partly on real life people. I imagine Vito Corleone could have been based on Carlo Gambino and Don Barzini on Vito Genovese with Hyman Roth on Meyer Lansky, Moe Green on Busy Siegel and Willie Cicci on Joe Valachi, Luca Brasi on Willie Moretti, the Rosato brothers on the Gallo brothers and Joey Zasa on John Gotti. Not to mention Johnny Fontane on Frank Sinatra. I imagine there are many more, i could be wrong but it seems they are similar
Yes those people were all the inspirations for the characters you named. I watched Peter Boyle play "Crazy Joe" and as I was watching it, it struck me that the Bob Dylan song "Joey" was about Joe Gallo, and nearly every line in the song mirrored a scene in the Peter Boyle film!
I believe Joey Zaza is based on Joe Colombo...
@@luissallard9761 yes that's a good point, Zasa seemed to promote Italian-American history ect which I believe Colombo did too, plus they were both shot in front of the public. I just think Zasa definitely had Gotti vibes with his flash and arrogant attitude and being dubbed by the papers as the "best dressed gangster" ect, he seemed to crave fame, much to the disapproval of the older bosses. His involvement in the unsanctioned helicopter attack wiping out the other bosses showed he was ambitious and power hungry, much like Gotti when he ordered the unsanctioned Castallano murder, definitely not the same I know but I do think Zasa was based on Gotti to some degree
Where you think Puzo got the idea for the book, duh
@@fish9905 I don't believe I ever said I didn't know where Puzo got the idea for the book, I just said that I liked how the characters were based on real people... what's your point? 😆
Probably cicci changed idea became a loan shark in Philadelphia and helping up and coming boxer become champion 🏆
I was literally gonna request a willie cicci video thank you😂👏
Willie Cicci, whatever happened there…
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!?!!? WTF you talking about? - Uncle Philly (my ass)
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m still pissed at Hyman Roth for setting up Frank Pantagelli at the meet, making him think Michael was trying to kill him. Willie was a great soldier and loyal. Willie should’ve had a larger role. Michael should’ve been able to strategize better, knowing Roth was the real enemy.
I was rewatching GODFATHER II the other day...During the Senate hearing, Michael states he was awarded the Navy Cross the second highest award a marine can recieve...But at the wedding in the first film, Michael's highest award on his ribbon bar is the Silver Star...Was Michael awarded the Navy Cross after the wedding? Was his Silver Star upgraded?
Suggestion: Narcos and Narcos Mexico. Just rewatched these series and picked up on how incredibly intricate they are in storytelling and character development. Although based on real people and events it is not a documentary, more of a fictionalized rendering and will fit in with this channels format of fictional crime shows. Add to that the multi overlaying plots, the exotic locales and music, this is a first-rate production that pulls you into its universe.
If you do do it try to link it up with some of what the guy who was just on VladTV says is true and not true I can't really worried what I'm trying to say right quick I'll probably come back to this vid later on and say what I'm trying to
The family had a lot of buffers.
Joe Spinell was perfect as Cicci. The horror movie he starred in and co-wrote, Maniac, is an underrated classic.
I always thought it was like the second option you gave where he's grassing on Micheal but not giving them anything therefore protecting Michael in a way
He became a cab dispatcher. One of his drivers was Travis Bickle!
He was helping Rocky Balboa for a while.
I agree that even if Spinell hadn't died, his character probably wouldn't have been included in Part 3. He was only in the initial first draft that was very quickly written in six weeks, and that initial storyline was radically changed in the revisions.
He started a loan sharking business in Philadelphia where he employed a local boxer named Rocky Balboa as a debt collector.
Started rapping under the name French Montana
Joe Spinnel was a brilliant talent. The most underrated character actor in modern cinema.
Dude he moved to Philly became a capo & was the nicest gangster to a civilian like Stallone giving him 500 bucks to train
Cicci survives, gets amnestied and promoted to Capo de Regime!
Here’s how it plays out:
After the attempt on Michael at Lake Tahoe, Michael goes to Pentangli and says, “It was Hyman Roth”. Then goes to Roth and says “It was Pentangeli”. Next thing you know Frankie Five Angels is hit (though it failed), supposedly by Michael.
All those hits during the ‘Baptism of Fire’ and none of Michael’s hitters utter a ‘Michael Corleone says Hello’ to anyone. Not the Moe Greene hit, Not Barzini…no one.
No one acting under Michael’s authority would ‘sign’ a hit like that. Michael would never tolerate a such breach of discipline or security. Michael didn’t even cop to Carlo’s murder under pressure from Connie and Kay.
“Never tell anyone outside The Family what you’re thinking”
Michael offering up a loudly disgruntled Frankie Five Angels as bait just to confirm his suspicions about Roth, is sound strategic thinking and a worthy sacrifice. Like a feint in combat operations. Roth reacted with the Pentangeli hit almost immediately.
Let’s not forget we’re talking about a WWII combat veteran Marine infantry officer. He would know a thing or two about winning a fight.
Of course Frankie’s regime would take it personal like both Tessio’s and Clemenza’s before The Baptism. Enough to even speak out against Michael, who would appear to have abandoned The ‘olive oil’ business? Yep.
Cicci and the others in the Pentangeli Regime were already feeling abandoned, right? So much the better to sell the ruse to Roth
After defeating Roth, all members of the former Pentangeli Regime get amnestied. Cicci was ride or die for his captain and and deserves a clean slate and a promotion to Capo de Regime
My 2¢
@5:15 I WAS HOPING THEY SHOWED THIS CRAZY ASS LOOK ON Cicci! 🤣🤣🤣👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
He changed his name to Tony Gazzo & became a cheap 2nd rate loan shark in South Philly
he changed his name and moved to Philly where some how nobody recognized him and in just 2 years moved up the ranks that he had his own driver and had Rock making his collections
if cicci were in the third movie, my best guess would be that michael put cicci up to the testimony in some way- his paranoia and hatred of traitors wouldn't be a factor if cicci were literally doing as he was told, and it seems like it may not actually have been true that cicci always had buffers between himself and the people giving the orders, so it would be at least _reasonably_ plausible that it was all part of the master plan
Because of Joe Spinells death the Joey Zasa character was created
"Mike your drinking Champagne Cocktails. Me no mangia en Miami con Hyman Roth."-Frankie "5 Angels" Pantangeli.
I've always wondered if the Rosato brothers botched the hit on Frankie on purpose so Frankie would turn on Michael, or was it just blind luck that the cop walked in when they were doing it? There's an argument to be made for both instances being correct.
Check out Joe Barboza outta Boston. He was a hitman who ended up having a beef with his crew and ended up testifying, with a similar "slimy" appearance as Cici during his testimony. Definitely some inspiration taken there.
I suspect his inclusion in III was an early idea just to bring back a familiar name. The entire mob aspect of part 3 really feel somewhat half assed, so I wouldn't be surprised that they were looking for someone easy to bring back as an antagonist. I'm glad zasa ended up being used, as he was one of the highlights of 3 for me.
I always thought he purposely gave a vague testimony to save himself, not implicate Michael, and try to please the committee. I think after the hearings he faded as he was too small a fish
He went into hiding, changed his name, and eventually ended up a loan shark in east Philly.
Rocky 2
"... condominiums" Willi Cicci
"I never use em" Rocky Balboa
Joe Spinell had a very small part in Godfather 1 and 2, but he played it iconic.
I always thought Cicci was kept in the fold. He was a loyal bodyguard of Pentangeli, training his gun on the Rosado Brothers after they escaped out of the bar into the street.
"yeah, the family used a lot of buffers"
I love how he shot Cuneo dead, real cold work
One thing that puzzles me...when the Rosattos say "Michael Corleone says hello" before strangling him, did they intentionally NOT kill him, so he'd think Michael ordered his death? I mean, what would be the point of name dropping Michael Corleone if they intended for him to die? Was the entire scene with the cop walking in meant to be a setup? Cici couldve killed one or both of them had he gotten a better shot off
I always thought the cop walking in was part of Roth doing and part of the plan
"Michael Corleone says hello!" Rest in peace Danny Aiello who said that quote as one of the Rosato brothers.
Love this!! Thank you for your insights
Cici really didn't tell them anything, he only repeated what he heard then mentioned buffers so there really was nothing and Michael knew this.
I thought Willie Chicci was shot and killed in the street during the shoot out when they tried killing Pantangeli on the bar...
Amazing he was in three blockbuster films Godfather I and II and Rocky classic box office and Critics hits. Cool man and character and his cousin is an amazing NFL defensive coordinator too.
There's no making Amends with a rat. I would assume that it was not discussed by Micheal, because that hit should have happened automatically without his say so. A guy testifies, a captain would call that shot on his own unless specifically told not to.
Interesting...I never thought about Willie Cicci being based on Joe Valachi. I have to give that some thought.
I loved the scene of Cicci shooting that boss thru the revolving door. It’s so 1940s classic gangster. Maybe my favorite image in all the films.
Willie Cicci ended up serving in the Vietnam War and running a cabstand where he employed fellow veteran Travis Bickle👍👍nice behind the scenes life
Did you say that Human Roth ordered the hit on Patangelli? I thought for sure that Michael ordered it because of the botched attempt on his life. Please explain.
@@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. Why the need to say Michael Corleone sends his regards if they intended to kill him?
Roth's men tried to hit Pentangeli in the closed bar and said something about it was greetings from Michael Corleone. Michael didn't order a direct hit on Pentangeli, he just had Tom Hagen convince Pentangeli to off himself.
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont Thanks!
Recall that Michael confronts Roth and asks him directly “Who had Frank Pentangeli killed?” after which he also adds, “I know I didn’t”. Roth essentially outs himself as the mastermind when he goes on about him not asking who gave the order to kill Moe Green.
Willie Cicci, whatever happened there...
“Cocci, La Porta”
Thanks for another interesting video 👍🏻
😂Willie Cicci was modeled after Joe Valachi,Frank Pentangeli was modeled after Vincent Teresa.
He became a loan shark in Philadelphia and helped Rocky before he had the title fight against Apollo.
"huh? buffers?..o yea....there were a lot of buffers"
Willie bought a duplex in Fishtown when he moved to Philly living out his years quietly
Like Penttangeli, he took a Roman bath, knowing his family would be taken care of.
He became a cheap second rate loan shark
Always wondered about Willie. And why did Roth's men/Rosato's say "Michael Corleone says hello!" Why bother with that when you're killing the man? They certainly didnt expect to be interrupted and that Frankie would survive. Just kind of bizarre.
Underrated take
I always wondered the same thing. Never made sense.
One of tge few mistakes Michael made was thinking Pantangeli was a traitor. Another is that Michael, , certainly not a street Soldier handicapped hus own people fir his Own good..
Joe Spinelli also the mob guy in the original Rocky movie
Cicci definitely got clipped. If Carlo Rizzi got it and Sal Tessio got it and Fredo got it, Cicci for sure got it.
Willie Cicci was sent to prison, but his death was a precursor to someone getting their button in New York arm, of the Corleone family, would be my guess!
Willie CHI-CHI,Frankie (Five Angels) and The Godfather all had facial hair.Mob guys are supposed to be clean shaven.😂😂
Willie was always of favorite of mine👍
LMAOOOOO!!!! What do I think happened to him???? Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
Michael Corleone was extremely smart however not perfect. He couldn't figure out Hyman Roth until it was too late. It cost him the lives of Frank Pentangelli and Willi Cicci.
He should have followed the advice of his character in The Devil's Advocate when he advised Keanu Reeves to keep his nose to the street. With all his "Big Deals" he forgot the guys on the street. He placed himself in an Ivory Tower and forgot the streets.
I will give you an example/analogy of what I am talking about. Let's say you are in relative good health and visit your doctor every 6 months or yearly which is the norm.
If you didn't visit your doctor in a year
OR
the guy/gal who picks up you trash didn't visit your house in a year, whom do you think you would miss the most?
he started his own buffah business
I should imagine Al Neri soon caught up with willie
Michael does not forgive or forget
They sent Willie Chichi to be a loan shark in Philadelphia
He was good in Rocky too
Yeah, the family had a lot of buffer's.
*Cicci, get the yayo!*
Esta bien, esta bien Tony.
Maybe Pantagelie told Tom that Cicci was just being loyal to him as his boss before Michael.
Joe Spinell also came out in a prime movie called the Seven Ups with Roy Scheider good movie check it out I believe it was a sequel to the French connection !
More then likely died in oblivion somewhere hiding in witness protection under an assumed name after the hearings therefore Michael couldn’t find him or get to him so they focused on the bigger fish that was out in the open arriving back to the us (hyman Roth) perhaps they could’ve added a few lines in the scene where Michael asks where’s chi chi and his circle answers it’s too difficult he’s Hiding with no trace
I think he went into witness protection but didn't stay in it long. And most likely went back into a life of crime and got put in jail. I even think some investigators looked into the murders he confessed to doing in front of the Senate committee and linked him to them.
Michael doesn’t forget cheech is going he’s gone. What are they saying even though he snitched he made a back door deal with Michael to protect Mike in court???? Don’t get it
Yeah, the Corleone family had a lot of buffas
You don't know who is "loyak" until they face time, death, sreious injury or financial ruin. Omertà or not. I think the explanation is simple. Cicci became an informant to get a reduced sentence. He was put in solitary confinement for ten years and then resettled to a small city in the Midwest working as a store clerk. Michael had a contract on him but he was never found by the Mafia.
The guy who played him was an interesting guy. Wrote and starred in a cult classic horror movie called Maniac.
He was also in Rocky as a loanshark.
Im waiting to hear what happened to Irina Peltsin in the sopranos, and while you're at it, julianna skiff
Any possible back link between Willie Cicci and Don Ciccio?
He thought mike was out to kill his own boss, he’s not a rat
I think he was told what to say and how to say it without actually incriminating Micheal. He had no choice after being at the scene of the crime so has to look like he is cooperating without saying anything about Micheal giving the order to do these things. If he was a threat he surely would of been killed if Micheal thought he was going to be someone that would put him away. I mean why tell the truth about middle men if he wants Micheal to go down. he was part of Frankie’s family and that doesn’t just mean his blood line relatives who in the end are to be looked after after his death as he is the one that is the threat. so Cicci is probably looked after but not to be allowed to continue as a part of the Corleone family. part 3 is completely stupid and was a cash grab when Coppola needed money so he would of wrote as much of the old cast as possible and we all know Robert Duval hated the idea and wanted no part of it so whatever happened would of made no sense in the 3rd part, the fact Duval’s character is replaced by George Hamilton as another Loyal Lawyer who is not Italian says everything about that movie. why did he get another Irish like lawyer by his side? I bet they thought he would just be the same character but changed their minds because he looks so different and knew the audience would not see him as that same character as well as such a poor choice for this Kind of movie in general.
I always thought willi cicci looked more like Joe Barboza when he was testifying and Pantangale was supposed to be like Joe valachi ( in importance anyway; I know in real life they never worked together) I've heard this Cicci part 3 story before and I just want to confirm: it was actually Willi Cicii coming back and not just Joe Spinnell playing another part, kind of like when Vito in "the sopranos" is a random deli customer,before Christopher shoots the deli clerk lol..as good as Spinells acting, that would of just added to the part 3 drama and critics
He broke Omerta, he had to go. Full Stop.
The family had a lot of buffahs!
I would say protective custody, however he was kicked out due to committing crimes. He probably was eventually killed in prison
Michael doesn't seem to be a forgive and forget kind of guy no matter what reason somebody has. Willie Cicci sleeps with the fishes.
... family had a lotta buffahs
All hog wash. Just saw Cicci buying tomatos at the stop and shop
He was just a soldier or "button" so probably couldn't have got very high
Willie got buffed, that family had a lot of them according to him. In all seriousness, I did not know he was based off Joe Valachi. If that's the case, his fate would've been the same, died in prison in the Cicci Wing of whatever prison he was incarcerated. His motive of betrayal is sort of justified from his point of view, as with Valachi [who thought Vito Genovese was going to kill him]. The Godfather III plans sounds ridiculous and thankfully [not because of Joe Spinell's passing] it never went through.
what if the hit on sonny fails?