1. Pacification of new york 2. Story of rocco 3. Story of frank 4. How roth and don vito worked together. 5. What happened in a meeting between carlo and barzini 6. What was in it for fredo to conspire against michael?
Blood definitely makes family, but not always. Tom’s character reminds me of the five good emperor’s of Rome. They were considered among the best leaders in Rome’s history and they shared the common background of being the adopted son of the previous emperor. Rome reached its zenith under them. The glory days ended when Marcus Aurelius’ biological son, Commodus, took the throne. I guess there’s just something about someone taking you in and truly raising you as their own that makes the bond of loyalty that much stronger. And when responsibility falls to them they truly feel duty bound to do their best.
When Tom thanked him for the nice dinner and so on...... I like how Woltz cocked his head with a look of slight confusion. Like a house dog cocking his head when he hears a strange noise coming from behind the refrigerator.
@@MrShobar I don't get it. How does Woltz's perversion toward children out Johnny Fountaine as a kiddy-diddler? They weren't even friends and didn't like each other. I doubt they had anything else in common either.
Tom was the only one who didn't laugh when Michael announced that he would kill Barzini and McCloskey. Tom had no doubt that Michael could pull it off.
According to the novel, Sonny's didn't doubt Michael, he was laughing because Michael finally broke out of his college boy phase, and all it took was a sock to the jaw
@@Baseballnfjhe literally says at the end of part 2 that he enlisted in the Marines. His later high rank was most likely due to the fact he aced OCS because of his education
Man I’m 20 years old and a lot of people my age say the Godfather is too slow and boring but in my opinion this gotta be one of the best and most thought out movies I ever seen, Every character every camera shot this movie is A Art.
I always felt that Tom Hagen was sorely underrated as a character. He was an integral part of the Corleone family, a very intelligent and cunning individual who was just as ruthless as some of the tougher guys we see throughout the series. I would go so far as to say that his only true weakness was that because he was adopted, he yearned for his family's acceptance. This was something that Michael was easily able to exploit, as we get the sense that he didn't really even trust Tom despite what he says to him in Part II. He says himself, "I always wanted to be thought of as a brother by you Mikey, a real brother." In short, Tom was easily one of the smartest and most capable among them but had something of an inferiority complex that the others would use against him when necessary. I never felt like he got the respect he deserved
He was the #3 Man. Never done by an outsider before. What more do u want? 💁 Sheesh! They broke the rules for him. And he was not a murderer. EVERYONE else was.
According to novel, "The Godfather", by Mario Puzo, Tom Hagen didn't work for the Don immediately after graduating law school; the Don encouraged Tom to practice law in a proper firm, which he did for three years or so, I think. The Don wanted Tom to get some practical legal experience first.
Just read the book for the first time after being raised on the first two films I am convinced that Tom is the star of the story. He is the key to every hit and situation and the hugely underrated Robert Duvall played the part to perfection. My favourite character.
Tom is a life lesson. Tom doesn't look down on his brothers. You can say anything to Tom and he will help you fix it. Tom isn't blood but he's more of a brother than Fredo. Tom is his own version of Vito and his loyalty is to the family.
In the novel Sonny brought Tom home one day and demanded that he stay. The meal that Mama Coreleone made for Tom that evening was the best meal he had ever eaten. In Godfather 2, it was implied that Tom and Mama were very close.
@@robertbusek30I always wondered about the remark Mama Corleone made about Fredo and Connie's spouses at the table- I could never make out what she said...
inner circle Tom was my favorite person in Godfather and Godfather part 2. In th he was the most loyal and was the only man that could disagree with Michael , Sonny and Vito and not get hurt but did it with respect.
On part 3 you can feel his absence It's not the same without him even if he was most of the time in the shadow of Michael I really love that caracter I recognise myself in him
Yeah. ROBERT DUVAL refused to be Screwed. They should have paid him what he was Worth. Part III was Good: but would have been Better if they had just Paid Him.
Duval wanted the role in GF3, Paramount would not meet Duvall’s salary request. Their offer was a well below what he desired. Not including Duval in GF 3 diminished the trilogy a great deal, Paramount blew it in my opinion.
Tom was the glue, the backbone of the corleone family. He loyally served his family, he was intelligent, charismatic, thought provoking,level headed and calculating. This man understood the business, the law , he didnt have to raise his voice, he didnt have to get violent, but he could bring a man to his knees and ruin him. Even when he was asked to step aside, or even do things he wasnt sure he shouldve, he never complained, he carried out his orders because thats what was best for business. Tom was brilliant
Tom kept the family together when michaels actions caused him to leave.sonny was strong but hot-headed and erratic he was pretty much destined to die and he often clashed with tom. Michael relied heavily on Tom
Sonny was a liability opening his mouth when he shouldn't and impulsively creating problems. His actions caused his death, which caused more bloodshed. And even more bloodshed.Tom always did what was best to keep the family together.
I think Hagen ended up very unhappy. He didn't love or respect Michael the way he did sonny or the don. He had to maintain a precarious tightrope walk with Michael who had already proven he'd kill anyone not loyal(including his brother). He was loyal but I think his respect for Michael was tinged with fear
Great video about Tom Hagen! I didn't know that he almost went blind and he had a sister! He was a great character. A good, loyal brother; principled lawyer, excellent advisor, good friend. But in GF I, his huge drawback was he wasn't Sicilian!!! Which meant he was unable to get all information he needed! He, Vito and Sonny believed in democracy; Michael not so much. Death wise, I believe he died of heart attack or Cancer. But everyone can agree that GF 3 would have been better if Tom was in it!!!
I noticed when Mike C. Demoted Tom. Tom held his tongue till they were alone . Then he asked Mike why I'm I out ? Discreet and wise not to challenge Mike's authority in front of others. A Don type move
Tom and Clemenza are my favorite characters and were both sorely missed in the sequels especially Tom in 3. Robert Duvall's performance is flawless. Inner Circle.
Professionalism, loyalty, and dedication are words that describe Tom Hagen. But his actions, his actions show his true caliber. Another excellent master class presentation. Auguri paisan
Only after reading the novels do you realize that when Michael ask Tom about his plans for the new job; do you discover that his “mistress” is Sonny’s wife. He felt a obligation to include her in his family after Santino was killed.
That’s not part of the novels, it was a deleted subplot in the movies. Tom’s mistress in the novels is a woman named Judy Buchanan who has nothing to do with the family.
Absolutely great video! I love the suggestion of having a separate one on body language, as this would be very interesting. Keep up the great work. We love it.
I can never get enough listening to the stories about Tom Hagen. For a guy in the middle of chaos he always knew how to play it cool and do what's best for the family.
Absolutely loved this video! I've always wondered on why Tom didn't act in Godfather III and this video gave a lot of answers. As the author of this video says, nobody except Duvall could have played Tom Hagen so well. In fact, I can't find a single character in the first 2 movies who didn't play their part to perfection. This is one of the reasons the Godfather (1,2) are hailed as the best movie in a century. I am a great fan of the movie and would watch any documentary related to the film (like this one). The way the characters were connected to each other is absolutely brilliant and kudos to Mario Puzo and Francis Ford Coppola! The way story telling has been made in these movies is a lesson for any upcoming director!
Michael had been to war and had real strategic training as an officer in the Pacific theatre. He shows this in how he takes out ALL of his enemies in one move at the end of the first movie, something none of the other Don's would have ever considered or been able to devise and control. Tom weighed every word, gesture, look and thought things through twice before opening his mouth to speak. Sonny could come up with things on the fly but not like Michael would or with the depth of understanding of the long term repercussions that Tom would see. There are some targets you walk away from because while it looks like it would be a good win right now, the knock on effects would kill you later.
Remember, Tom was also still under pressure from the Turk to “make the deal with Sonny” so I’m pretty sure that any talk that conflicted with that wasn’t well received. That’s part of the beauty of this film. Duval’s performance in this scene is so incredibly nuanced. Knowing what we know and also knowing what Tom is probably thinking as a result. I’ve watched that scene over 100 times and will always spot something new. This is always considered to be Michael’s big scene - where he finally starts to come out of his innocent college boy persona and morph into a real gangster. All in one scene. Meanwhile, keep your eyes on Tom. Notice HIS transformation too. By the end of that scene, he goes from hiding his reservations about going after the Turk from the rest of the family to ultimately coming around at the end. Confident that little Mikey might be right after all. Michael: “We have newspaper men on the payroll, right Tom? They might like a story like that.” Tom: “They might. They just might.” Brilliant.
This isn't exactly related to the video but, considering the trilogy as a whole, the story of the Corleone's is about strategy over strength. They had been almost entirely wiped at one point, to being one of the wealthiest and most respected families in the country that were "almost" 100% legitimate. Of course, with no other options Vincent Mancini took over as don. I wish they would make a 4th film while Andy Garcia is alive so we could see what state the Corleone family would be in almost 40 years later.
A Part IV with Vincent as the Don and Connie as his consigliere would be very interesting. If we follow the timeline, the antagonisT wouldn’t necessarily be another mobster, but a DA like Rudy Giuliani.
3:16 No, the rest is NOT history. What the hell happened to Tom’s sister? Did she die or was murdered while living on the streets? Did Tom leave her with some orphanage? Did she go to live with relatives? Did the siblings reunite in their adulthood?
I read on a Wiki Fan page that after their parents died, Tom and his sister were placed in an orphanage, but Tom ran away and was later taken in by the Corleone family. It’s assumed that his sister remained in state care until she aged out of the system or was adopted. There is also mention that Tom managed to track his sister down later in life, but she rejected him, saying her childhood memories were too painful and also because she didn’t want any connection to his way of life in the mafia.
Honestly, I watched the Godfather 1 and the Godfather 11 many times. The Godfather 111 on the other hand though I’m glad I saw the movie. I only saw it once and that was enough. I was thought Tom Hagan was one of the most important characters in the films, and was surprised when he wasn’t in the third film. I also believe that he was the perfect Consigliere to Michael. Let’s face it they were just like each other, and a perfect complement to each other. The weaknesses Tom had as a war time Consigliere Michael, more than meet up for, and where Michael lacked in the law, Tom more than made up for. This is what made them both as a team such a powerful force to be reckoned with.
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I think your take was wrong. The reason Michael pushed out Tom was because it was possible that Tom would be the one to betray Michael. He was keeping Clamenza, Tessio and Tom all at arms length while he built a secret regime. To Tom’s credit, he was able to see through Michael’s plans just like the Don knew he would. There was also a secondary reason. Michael wanted to transition the family into legitimate businesses, and needed a lawyers not Consigliere.
The genius of Hagen was that he stood just outside the family, was more of a dispassionate observer than a hot blooded member. He was also a chameleon and could survive and fit in with different worlds. He was the one sent to deal with studio heads, Denators and other gangsters. Extremely valuable, the family should have taken his advice and gone in with Salozzo, made a ton of money and avoided bloodshed. He had it right.
One of the 2 biggest flaws in the Godfather 3 is the absence of Tom Hagen (Robert Duvall), the other being the presence of Sophia Copolla. The story would have been different if Tom was there, so I've read, but even as it was written, Tom would have been a much better character than the one played by George Hamilton.
something shocked me deeply the time i red the book, was that the mama never considered Tom as part of the family. And there is several moment where it is said how she despise Tom....
I think that was partially due to Vito treating him better than his own son's at times. Like he treated him much better than Fredo and sometimes looked more favorably upon him than Sonny (in regards to achievements). I can understand the frustration that might have caused her. He thought better of a child that came from another woman than some of his own that came from her. So she just passed on the resentment to Tom. Even though he wasn't responsible for it.
@@TheChattounet it’s ok if you haven’t read the book. In the scene where Kay visits and gets tactfully dismissed, we only see Tom’s reaction. In that same scene in the book, when Tom takes Kay into the house to call a taxi, Mama Corleone arrives soon after and has a talk with Kay about Michael. As Tom tries to tell her to keep quiet, she snaps at him in only a way that the woman who raised him could. More than that, no direct reference to how she feels about Tom is mentioned. It certainly isn’t in the negative.
As always excellent work - I’m not sure you acknowledge that Tom was so thorough and excelled to the degree Michael was a bit jealous of his relationship with Vito. That plays into Tom being removed because, “they say it’s just business it’s not personal, it’s personal.” Also, “you’re taking things personal this is business!” - “ain’t I a person?” Gyp Rossetti 😂
These videos are super awesome. I clicked on one and have been on a rampage going through them when I have time. Keep them coming because I am really truly enjoying these.
I always felt like Tom's contributions to the family are extremely downplayed but he's truly the level headed voice of reason which is very necessary in certain situations!
According to the book Sonny was proud of him. Although initially he laughed and could have doubted his seriousness he actually let him do it. I think the way Michael stared right through Sonny and told him it was not personal and that it was strictly buisness made Sonny realise that Michael may be able to pull it off. He likely saw something inside of Michael that nobody else saw. Plus Michael was a civilian and would have been perceived as no threat at that point. Clemenza and Tessio likely laughed because they thought he was an angry kid just talking a good talk but would never act on it. Tom looked un easy at the idea. He likely knew it was against the old man’s wishes. Tom was a great a peace time Consigliere and perfect at negotiating out of a potential war, dealing with legal disputes, coming out on top financially to help strengthen the Corleone family’s position. However when the heat was on and war was inevitable he wasn’t very strong in that respect.
Thoughts on a "What if" video. What if Connie Corleone had married Rocky Balboa ??? You can even make the argument to make it fit inside the Godfather universe that the reason Rocky "ramdonly" got picked by Apollo Creed to fight against him for the belt was because Don Vito asked for a couple of favours to make sure his new son-in-law have opportunities to support her daughter Connie.
According to the novel "The Family Corleone", Tom Hagen's sister ended up in an orphanage until she was either adopted or aged out. In the 1930s, Tom, then a law school student, confessed to Mama Corleone that he had located his sister, but in her only letter to him, she stated she wanted to forget her childhood and wanted nothing to do with him, while also disapproving his association with the Corleone Family, referring to them as "gangsters".
@@1987AnimeBoy Thanks for taking the time to provide an answer. I didn't know of this book. I'll definitely look for it. It seems to flesh out/answer a lot of questions raised by Puzo's novel.
At 5:26 I was expecting Sonny’s comment about Tom but……nothing?? I’m guessing it was the point after Vito comes home from the hospital and Sonny with Tom’s advice and was angry that he didn’t have a Sicilian wartime advisor. Am I correct??
Michael reduced Tom's role in the family because he needed to be able to fully trust him. Tom was about the only person Michael could completely trust.
Narrative at ~3:50 states, "Excluding Michael, he would go much further in his formal education, than any of the Corleone children." Tom went to Law School, while Michael dropped out of Dartmouth to enlist following Pearl Harbor.
I think Don Vito used Tom's German-Irish ethnicity as a strategic strength. No one would think he represented the Don, who's "italian." Thus further hiding Don Vito's identity allowing him to operate more low key. There was less likely for emotions to influence any legal aspects of things. If Tom was italisn and made it known right off the bat he represented a powerful mob boss, this would trigger unwanted emotions in legal matters (fear, dishonesty, shadyness). You can see how Don Vito cleverly uses Tom's german irishness to his advantage when Tom talks to Hollywood bigshot Mr. Waltz.
Tbh.. The first book is the only real canon source and the one spin off book. Plus, in the novel, Tom was highly strategic. He hepled to set up Sonny's protection detail. Also, it covers how Tom figured out Michael and Vito's revenge plot; Vitp introducing Michael to his political allies; Rocco building a secret regime. It was more Vito's suggestiom Micharl leave Tom out, in order to protect him.
According to the novel "The Family Corleone", Tom Hagen's sister ended up in an orphanage until she was either adopted or aged out. In the 1930s, Tom, then a law school student, confessed to Mama Corleone that he had located his sister, but in her only letter to him, she stated she wanted to forget her childhood and wanted nothing to do with him, while also disapproving his association with the Corleone Family, referring to them as "gangsters".
When I first heard that I wanted to cry for him…. 😢He just wanted to belong… 🤗I was glad that Michael later told him that he trusted him above everyone else… ❤
The strength importance and valued character of Tom Hagan was immediately destroyed for me the split second ad lib mention of a mistress was subtly inserted and kept in as a line of dialogue.
Tom was a better Consiglare because he didn't think like a Sicilian at the end of the day so Vito didn't have to worry about him thinking like one!!! Tom thought out of the box which is actually a good thing!!!! Having Sonny as a perfect war time don & having Tom as the Consiglare for everything else , Vito had the perfect team under him for separate matters!!!! This is why Vitos peak was like the Roman empire & Michaels was basically the fall of the Roman empire because Michael didn't want to listen to Tom nor did he have a Underboss as smart as Sonny was!!!!
What video do want to see next? 🍿👀
1. Pacification of new york
2. Story of rocco
3. Story of frank
4. How roth and don vito worked together.
5. What happened in a meeting between carlo and barzini
6. What was in it for fredo to conspire against michael?
The rise of Connie Coreleone.
What happened next after the Corleone win in the immobilliare who handles it? Is it the new Godfather or Michael's son?
The life and rise of Vincent Mancini-Corleone, along with his implied fate in the unproduced Godfather 4.
@@1987AnimeBoythat's the one i wanted to see
Tom is an example that blood does not make family…and family is not always blood.
Fact's 💯
Its a movie bruh
@@Anti-mandatory7771 maybe a movie, but there are a lot of Tom Hagen around the world in real life.
Blood definitely makes family, but not always.
Tom’s character reminds me of the five good emperor’s of Rome. They were considered among the best leaders in Rome’s history and they shared the common background of being the adopted son of the previous emperor. Rome reached its zenith under them. The glory days ended when Marcus Aurelius’ biological son, Commodus, took the throne.
I guess there’s just something about someone taking you in and truly raising you as their own that makes the bond of loyalty that much stronger. And when responsibility falls to them they truly feel duty bound to do their best.
@@alexanderh2345 sorry, but blood doesn’t make family.
After Woltz totally disrespected Tom, Tom thanked him for a nice dinner and told him that he admired his fiims.
Total boss move.
And he told him to get him a lift to the airport
When Tom thanked him for the nice dinner and so on...... I like how Woltz cocked his head with a look of slight confusion.
Like a house dog cocking his head when he hears a strange noise coming from behind the refrigerator.
Real power vs real loud mouth with no power. classic fake tough guy underestimating his foes.
Tom later outed Woltz as a child molester. That means Johnny Fontaine (with his oily hair and guinea charm) was too.
@@MrShobar I don't get it.
How does Woltz's perversion toward children out Johnny Fountaine as a kiddy-diddler?
They weren't even friends and didn't like each other. I doubt they had anything else in common either.
Tom was the only one who didn't laugh when Michael announced that he would kill Barzini and McCloskey.
Tom had no doubt that Michael could pull it off.
According to the novel, Sonny's didn't doubt Michael, he was laughing because Michael finally broke out of his college boy phase, and all it took was a sock to the jaw
It was obvious since Michael had been in combat during WWII... KDM
@kenmclemore523 did it say where or with who? If I recall correctly he's wearing a Marine uniform in the movie.
@@Baseballnfj He won a Silver Star in the Pacific - he was an Officer - Captain I think? It's been a few years since I read the book.
@@Baseballnfjhe literally says at the end of part 2 that he enlisted in the Marines. His later high rank was most likely due to the fact he aced OCS because of his education
Man I’m 20 years old and a lot of people my age say the Godfather is too slow and boring but in my opinion this gotta be one of the best and most thought out movies I ever seen, Every character every camera shot this movie is A Art.
I’m 24 man I loved this movie
If that's true, then I feel sorry for a lot of peopie your age.
It isn't slow. Every scene is full of meaning
Well classics are not joy rides. They take thinking and patience.
If anyone says this to you, cut ties with them immediately. It's cinematic blasphemy to prefer a fast paced tik tok video over actual art.
@@XanderShillerlol
He was truly a real brother, better than some blood relations
Yes, Absolutely!!!
Is it true the actor didn't want to reprise his role in godfarther part 3 as they wanted to make Tom betray Michael ?
Coppola replaced Robert Duvall with a hack famous for tanning
@@darylkemp1257nah it was about the money
@@dadon3455it always is
I always felt that Tom Hagen was sorely underrated as a character. He was an integral part of the Corleone family, a very intelligent and cunning individual who was just as ruthless as some of the tougher guys we see throughout the series. I would go so far as to say that his only true weakness was that because he was adopted, he yearned for his family's acceptance. This was something that Michael was easily able to exploit, as we get the sense that he didn't really even trust Tom despite what he says to him in Part II. He says himself, "I always wanted to be thought of as a brother by you Mikey, a real brother." In short, Tom was easily one of the smartest and most capable among them but had something of an inferiority complex that the others would use against him when necessary. I never felt like he got the respect he deserved
Well.... he ain't Sicilian and thus theoretically wouldn't have been accepted by many
@@Baseballnfj- Ironic how they were always talking about how discriminated against they were, but never accepted Tom.
He was the #3 Man. Never done by an outsider before. What more do u want? 💁 Sheesh! They broke the rules for him. And he was not a murderer. EVERYONE else was.
@@Pizza-gb1ch I don't mean the Corleone family necessarily... I mean the entirety of the commission also
He had his flaws... but that was made up by his professionalism and loyalty.
According to novel, "The Godfather", by Mario Puzo, Tom Hagen didn't work for the Don immediately after graduating law school; the Don encouraged Tom to practice law in a proper firm, which he did for three years or so, I think. The Don wanted Tom to get some practical legal experience first.
That, and make contacts in the legitimate legal world that the Family could make use of.
Absolutely, the Don was tree steps ahead.
Just read the book for the first time after being raised on the first two films I am convinced that Tom is the star of the story. He is the key to every hit and situation and the hugely underrated Robert Duvall played the part to perfection. My favourite character.
Inner circle. Tom Hagen is definitely one of the coolest characters, especially for keeping his cool in any situation.
Tom is a life lesson. Tom doesn't look down on his brothers. You can say anything to Tom and he will help you fix it. Tom isn't blood but he's more of a brother than Fredo. Tom is his own version of Vito and his loyalty is to the family.
In the novel Sonny brought Tom home one day and demanded that he stay. The meal that Mama Coreleone made for Tom that evening was the best meal he had ever eaten.
In Godfather 2, it was implied that Tom and Mama were very close.
I love how they trash Fredo’s wife at the dinner table in Italian.
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Well. She Was acting Slutty.
@@robertbusek30I always wondered about the remark Mama Corleone made about Fredo and Connie's spouses at the table- I could never make out what she said...
@@incurvatus Yeah, I’d love to see the subtitles for that.
inner circle Tom was my favorite person in Godfather and Godfather part 2. In th he was the most loyal and was the only man that could disagree with Michael , Sonny and Vito and not get hurt but did it with respect.
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SOLOZZO MIGHT NOT EVEN BE IN THE CAR SONNY!!!!!
Great video! Tom is one of the most under-appreciated characters in The Godfather
On part 3 you can feel his absence
It's not the same without him even if he was most of the time in the shadow of Michael
I really love that caracter I recognise myself in him
George Hamilton a Corleone Administrator? Bad casting choice.
@@tomjones5650 George Hamilton in anything. Bad casting choice.
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Yeah. ROBERT DUVAL refused to be Screwed.
They should have paid him what he was Worth.
Part III was Good:
but would have been Better if they had just Paid Him.
part 3 doesnt exist. only parts 1 and 2. :-)
Duval wanted the role in GF3, Paramount would not meet Duvall’s salary request. Their offer was a well below what he desired. Not including Duval in GF 3 diminished the trilogy a great deal, Paramount blew it in my opinion.
True, M. It was a shame they had to explain away Pete Clemenza's absence in II as well.
Tom was the glue, the backbone of the corleone family. He loyally served his family, he was intelligent, charismatic, thought provoking,level headed and calculating. This man understood the business, the law , he didnt have to raise his voice, he didnt have to get violent, but he could bring a man to his knees and ruin him. Even when he was asked to step aside, or even do things he wasnt sure he shouldve, he never complained, he carried out his orders because thats what was best for business. Tom was brilliant
I agree Tom was a very admirable character but sorry Sonny was the glue that held the family together. It started falling apart the moment he died.
Tom kept the family together when michaels actions caused him to leave.sonny was strong but hot-headed and erratic he was pretty much destined to die and he often clashed with tom. Michael relied heavily on Tom
Sonny was a liability opening his mouth when he shouldn't and impulsively creating problems. His actions caused his death, which caused more bloodshed. And even more bloodshed.Tom always did what was best to keep the family together.
Yet Tom couldn't figure out that Barzini was the instigator which was why he had to step aside.
Everyone NEEDS a Tom Hagen.
but he's not a war-time consigliere
@@ixfxi Also, he is not a Sicilian. But it is really nice option to be able to send Tom before sending Luca.
A Tom Hagen...sounds like a exquisite cocktail 😆
no thanks, i already have enough things that are not much use to anybody.
I think Hagen ended up very unhappy. He didn't love or respect Michael the way he did sonny or the don. He had to maintain a precarious tightrope walk with Michael who had already proven he'd kill anyone not loyal(including his brother). He was loyal but I think his respect for Michael was tinged with fear
The main reason why Godfather III is more like a TV movie and doesn't compare to the iconic Godfather I & II, is that Tom Hagen wasn't in it.
And replaced him with George hamilton who was a poor replacement
Great video about Tom Hagen! I didn't know that he almost went blind and he had a sister! He was a great character. A good, loyal brother; principled lawyer, excellent advisor, good friend. But in GF I, his huge drawback was he wasn't Sicilian!!! Which meant he was unable to get all information he needed! He, Vito and Sonny believed in democracy; Michael not so much. Death wise, I believe he died of heart attack or Cancer. But everyone can agree that GF 3 would have been better if Tom was in it!!!
Great as usual
Controversial but I think deep down Tom was the “Son” that Vito was most proud of and truly was the favourite
No, Michael was Vito's fave. It comes across most loud and clear in the 'Tom, you're OUT scene'.
Tom Hagen was someone who you want beside you. Wished he was in GF3.
I agree with you 💯 in all aspects of Tom Hagen. He is a prime example of Unconditional Loyalty for sure.
I noticed when Mike C. Demoted Tom. Tom held his tongue till they were alone . Then he asked Mike why I'm
I out ? Discreet and wise not to challenge Mike's authority in front of others. A Don type move
Inner Circle. Excellent analysis on Tom and his position. One of my favorite characters.
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Tom and Clemenza are my favorite characters and were both sorely missed in the sequels especially Tom in 3. Robert Duvall's performance is flawless. Inner Circle.
Thanks for this video on this iconic godfather character
Professionalism, loyalty, and dedication are words that describe Tom Hagen. But his actions, his actions show his true caliber. Another excellent master class presentation. Auguri paisan
LEGENDARY!
Inner circle. Great video.
Thank You @onuti7692 🌹💯
I love how u just get right into it instead of a 2 minute intro about who u r
We all need a Tom Hagen in our lives
This was great! I always take notes. Thanks.
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Only after reading the novels do you realize that when Michael ask Tom about his plans for the new job; do you discover that his “mistress” is Sonny’s wife. He felt a obligation to include her in his family after Santino was killed.
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That’s not part of the novels, it was a deleted subplot in the movies. Tom’s mistress in the novels is a woman named Judy Buchanan who has nothing to do with the family.
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Nope.
Never in the novel by Puzo. I don't care about the other novels as they were not written by him.
Absolutely great video! I love the suggestion of having a separate one on body language, as this would be very interesting. Keep up the great work. We love it.
The look Michael gives Tom when Tom says “Roth he played this one beautiful “
I can never get enough listening to the stories about Tom Hagen. For a guy in the middle of chaos he always knew how to play it cool and do what's best for the family.
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Always balanced and restrained. Remarkable actor still working.
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Absolutely loved this video! I've always wondered on why Tom didn't act in Godfather III and this video gave a lot of answers. As the author of this video says, nobody except Duvall could have played Tom Hagen so well. In fact, I can't find a single character in the first 2 movies who didn't play their part to perfection. This is one of the reasons the Godfather (1,2) are hailed as the best movie in a century. I am a great fan of the movie and would watch any documentary related to the film (like this one). The way the characters were connected to each other is absolutely brilliant and kudos to Mario Puzo and Francis Ford Coppola! The way story telling has been made in these movies is a lesson for any upcoming director!
Great overview on Tom. Thanks, excellent detail on Tom's reason for not being in part 3.
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Michael had been to war and had real strategic training as an officer in the Pacific theatre. He shows this in how he takes out ALL of his enemies in one move at the end of the first movie, something none of the other Don's would have ever considered or been able to devise and control.
Tom weighed every word, gesture, look and thought things through twice before opening his mouth to speak. Sonny could come up with things on the fly but not like Michael would or with the depth of understanding of the long term repercussions that Tom would see. There are some targets you walk away from because while it looks like it would be a good win right now, the knock on effects would kill you later.
He was a great stratagist who never forgot the big picture implications of every move the enemy made and what counter moves they could make.
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Remember, Tom was also still under pressure from the Turk to “make the deal with Sonny” so I’m pretty sure that any talk that conflicted with that wasn’t well received. That’s part of the beauty of this film. Duval’s performance in this scene is so incredibly nuanced. Knowing what we know and also knowing what Tom is probably thinking as a result. I’ve watched that scene over 100 times and will always spot something new. This is always considered to be Michael’s big scene - where he finally starts to come out of his innocent college boy persona and morph into a real gangster. All in one scene. Meanwhile, keep your eyes on Tom. Notice HIS transformation too. By the end of that scene, he goes from hiding his reservations about going after the Turk from the rest of the family to ultimately coming around at the end. Confident that little Mikey might be right after all.
Michael: “We have newspaper men on the payroll, right Tom? They might like a story like that.”
Tom: “They might. They just might.”
Brilliant.
This isn't exactly related to the video but, considering the trilogy as a whole, the story of the Corleone's is about strategy over strength. They had been almost entirely wiped at one point, to being one of the wealthiest and most respected families in the country that were "almost" 100% legitimate. Of course, with no other options Vincent Mancini took over as don. I wish they would make a 4th film while Andy Garcia is alive so we could see what state the Corleone family would be in almost 40 years later.
A Part IV with Vincent as the Don and Connie as his consigliere would be very interesting. If we follow the timeline, the antagonisT wouldn’t necessarily be another mobster, but a DA like Rudy Giuliani.
Andy Garcia is still alive, 67yo
in godfather 4, michael transitions and the family members are cast as minorities...
Tom was a great negotiator, he could make you an offer you couldn’t refuse.
Maybe an offer you wouldn’t refuse🤔
3:16 No, the rest is NOT history. What the hell happened to Tom’s sister? Did she die or was murdered while living on the streets? Did Tom leave her with some orphanage? Did she go to live with relatives? Did the siblings reunite in their adulthood?
I was wondering that too there was no mention anything other than she existed.
I read on a Wiki Fan page that after their parents died, Tom and his sister were placed in an orphanage, but Tom ran away and was later taken in by the Corleone family. It’s assumed that his sister remained in state care until she aged out of the system or was adopted. There is also mention that Tom managed to track his sister down later in life, but she rejected him, saying her childhood memories were too painful and also because she didn’t want any connection to his way of life in the mafia.
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Battle of the Lawyers 🧳: Who would You want as Your Lawyer? 😂
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I know who I would pick 👀
Of course tom
You should do a video comparing them.
Honestly, I watched the Godfather 1 and the Godfather 11 many times. The Godfather 111 on the other hand though I’m glad I saw the movie. I only saw it once and that was enough. I was thought Tom Hagan was one of the most important characters in the films, and was surprised when he wasn’t in the third film. I also believe that he was the perfect Consigliere to Michael. Let’s face it they were just like each other, and a perfect complement to each other. The weaknesses Tom had as a war time Consigliere Michael, more than meet up for, and where Michael lacked in the law, Tom more than made up for. This is what made them both as a team such a powerful force to be reckoned with.
Tom is one of my favorite characters in GF 1. I didn’t like how Michael treated him in 1 and 2, and his relationship with Vito was beautiful
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One of my favorite characters, wish there was more about what happened to his sister
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I loved the character of Tom Hagen. Hated how he wasn’t in 3. Maybe the film would have been better if Robert Duvall had come to an agreement
If they had Sora back in the days, they would not even need good Robert.
I admirer all of Tom's Character traits .
Especially his control over his emotions.
They picked the right man for this roll.
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Tom Hagen is my favorite character in Godfather becouse he is so calm and intelligent
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The Godfather III might have been a good movie if Robert Duvall was in it.
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I think your take was wrong. The reason Michael pushed out Tom was because it was possible that Tom would be the one to betray Michael. He was keeping Clamenza, Tessio and Tom all at arms length while he built a secret regime. To Tom’s credit, he was able to see through Michael’s plans just like the Don knew he would. There was also a secondary reason. Michael wanted to transition the family into legitimate businesses, and needed a lawyers not Consigliere.
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Tom is one of my favorite characters
The genius of Hagen was that he stood just outside the family, was more of a dispassionate observer than a hot blooded member. He was also a chameleon and could survive and fit in with different worlds. He was the one sent to deal with studio heads, Denators and other gangsters. Extremely valuable, the family should have taken his advice and gone in with Salozzo, made a ton of money and avoided bloodshed. He had it right.
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One of the 2 biggest flaws in the Godfather 3 is the absence of Tom Hagen (Robert Duvall), the other being the presence of Sophia Copolla. The story would have been different if Tom was there, so I've read, but even as it was written, Tom would have been a much better character than the one played by George Hamilton.
A meeting between Tom Hagen and Saul Goodman would be interesting
They very, very different people.
I don't agree with the implication that they are alike at all.
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something shocked me deeply the time i red the book, was that the mama never considered Tom as part of the family. And there is several moment where it is said how she despise Tom....
I think that was partially due to Vito treating him better than his own son's at times. Like he treated him much better than Fredo and sometimes looked more favorably upon him than Sonny (in regards to achievements). I can understand the frustration that might have caused her. He thought better of a child that came from another woman than some of his own that came from her. So she just passed on the resentment to Tom. Even though he wasn't responsible for it.
@@Graywing it hasn't been stated. It's just that it's not her blood, but you could be right in a way
Uhhhhhh what? She absolutely fussed at him like she was his mother.
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@@TheChattounet it’s ok if you haven’t read the book. In the scene where Kay visits and gets tactfully dismissed, we only see Tom’s reaction. In that same scene in the book, when Tom takes Kay into the house to call a taxi, Mama Corleone arrives soon after and has a talk with Kay about Michael. As Tom tries to tell her to keep quiet, she snaps at him in only a way that the woman who raised him could. More than that, no direct reference to how she feels about Tom is mentioned. It certainly isn’t in the negative.
As always excellent work - I’m not sure you acknowledge that Tom was so thorough and excelled to the degree Michael was a bit jealous of his relationship with Vito. That plays into Tom being removed because, “they say it’s just business it’s not personal, it’s personal.” Also, “you’re taking things personal this is business!” - “ain’t I a person?” Gyp Rossetti 😂
These videos are super awesome. I clicked on one and have been on a rampage going through them when I have time. Keep them coming because I am really truly enjoying these.
I always felt like Tom's contributions to the family are extremely downplayed but he's truly the level headed voice of reason which is very necessary in certain situations!
Incredible insight!! Yeah that meeting with Moe Greene was amazing. The way Tom and Michael handled themselves.
The first meal that Tom ate in the Corelone home was the best meal that he had ever tasted.
The story of The Godfather is so beautiful because of how human it is. Tom Hagan is my favorite character because I can relate so much with him.
More than EXCELLENT. I'm waiting for the next video. Grazi
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According to the book Sonny was proud of him. Although initially he laughed and could have doubted his seriousness he actually let him do it. I think the way Michael stared right through Sonny and told him it was not personal and that it was strictly buisness made Sonny realise that Michael may be able to pull it off. He likely saw something inside of Michael that nobody else saw. Plus Michael was a civilian and would have been perceived as no threat at that point.
Clemenza and Tessio likely laughed because they thought he was an angry kid just talking a good talk but would never act on it.
Tom looked un easy at the idea. He likely knew it was against the old man’s wishes.
Tom was a great a peace time Consigliere and perfect at negotiating out of a potential war, dealing with legal disputes, coming out on top financially to help strengthen the Corleone family’s position.
However when the heat was on and war was inevitable he wasn’t very strong in that respect.
He knew that war was bad for business.
Thoughts on a "What if" video.
What if Connie Corleone had married Rocky Balboa ???
You can even make the argument to make it fit inside the Godfather universe that the reason Rocky "ramdonly" got picked by Apollo Creed to fight against him for the belt was because Don Vito asked for a couple of favours to make sure his new son-in-law have opportunities to support her daughter Connie.
What happened to his sister?
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According to the novel "The Family Corleone", Tom Hagen's sister ended up in an orphanage until she was either adopted or aged out. In the 1930s, Tom, then a law school student, confessed to Mama Corleone that he had located his sister, but in her only letter to him, she stated she wanted to forget her childhood and wanted nothing to do with him, while also disapproving his association with the Corleone Family, referring to them as "gangsters".
@@1987AnimeBoy Thanks for taking the time to provide an answer. I didn't know of this book. I'll definitely look for it. It seems to flesh out/answer a lot of questions raised by Puzo's novel.
@@connormcclenny9681Maybe she was “recruited” by the Tattaglias?
@@sandisteinberg731 I didn't enjoy it at all. Wonder how you find / found it.
According to the novel, one day Sonny brought Tom home for dinner and 1:16 demanded that he be allowed to stay.
At 5:26 I was expecting Sonny’s comment about Tom but……nothing?? I’m guessing it was the point after Vito comes home from the hospital and Sonny with Tom’s advice and was angry that he didn’t have a Sicilian wartime advisor. Am I correct??
A true legend in his own right, he was as loyal as any man could be even if he was never a blood son of the Corleones
Michael reduced Tom's role in the family because he needed to be able to fully trust him. Tom was about the only person Michael could completely trust.
Inner Circle - Tom was family in my book because we seen family will turn their backs on you quickly
He's was a good lawyer.
Narrative at ~3:50 states, "Excluding Michael, he would go much further in his formal education, than any of the Corleone children." Tom went to Law School, while Michael dropped out of Dartmouth to enlist following Pearl Harbor.
I think Don Vito used Tom's German-Irish ethnicity as a strategic strength. No one would think he represented the Don, who's "italian." Thus further hiding Don Vito's identity allowing him to operate more low key. There was less likely for emotions to influence any legal aspects of things. If Tom was italisn and made it known right off the bat he represented a powerful mob boss, this would trigger unwanted emotions in legal matters (fear, dishonesty, shadyness). You can see how Don Vito cleverly uses Tom's german irishness to his advantage when Tom talks to Hollywood bigshot Mr. Waltz.
Tom was the ONLY one that could yell at Sonny and get away with it besides Vito.
Tbh.. The first book is the only real canon source and the one spin off book.
Plus, in the novel, Tom was highly strategic. He hepled to set up Sonny's protection detail. Also, it covers how Tom figured out Michael and Vito's revenge plot; Vitp introducing Michael to his political allies; Rocco building a secret regime. It was more Vito's suggestiom Micharl leave Tom out, in order to protect him.
Great video! What do you think happened to Tom's sister?
Great question!
According to the novel "The Family Corleone", Tom Hagen's sister ended up in an orphanage until she was either adopted or aged out. In the 1930s, Tom, then a law school student, confessed to Mama Corleone that he had located his sister, but in her only letter to him, she stated she wanted to forget her childhood and wanted nothing to do with him, while also disapproving his association with the Corleone Family, referring to them as "gangsters".
@@1987AnimeBoy that's sad 😢
Oh wow! Ok, thanks for the info!
Excellent commentaries about Tom Hagen & description of the Consiglieri .. good entertainment.. thank you.
Vito and Tom Hagan are my absolute favorites
Duvall had no problem with Pacino making double what he was but when it got to triple. He walked
You could see the pain in his eyes when Mike told him that he was out. That killed him.
When I first heard that I wanted to cry for him…. 😢He just wanted to belong… 🤗I was glad that Michael later told him that he trusted him above everyone else… ❤
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The strength importance and valued character of Tom Hagan was immediately destroyed for me the split second ad lib mention of a mistress was subtly inserted and kept in as a line of dialogue.
Tom was a better Consiglare because he didn't think like a Sicilian at the end of the day so Vito didn't have to worry about him thinking like one!!! Tom thought out of the box which is actually a good thing!!!! Having Sonny as a perfect war time don & having Tom as the Consiglare for everything else , Vito had the perfect team under him for separate matters!!!!
This is why Vitos peak was like the Roman empire & Michaels was basically the fall of the Roman empire because Michael didn't want to listen to Tom nor did he have a Underboss as smart as Sonny was!!!!
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