mesquita _ he himself has said he’s been less than cordial with his fans before. Honestly though, his fans annoy me way more than him. They paint Hbox as some brave martyr who despite everyone hating him and him playing a low high tier character (lol) has managed to be number 1. I respect Armada more than most other competitors so seeing him lose the crown playing against such a swingy character was frustrating, but Hbox seems like an ok guy irl. It just always feels like Puff doesn’t have to work anywhere near as hard as their opponent to get death punishes and edgeguards etc etc. People’s dislike of Puff due to those things, I think often turns into hatred of Hbox since he basically is the character, representation wise.
R.I.P GoldenSun, and responding to that first reply, I believe we fans could be satisfied if Felix or Matthew got in but wouldnt understand why it isnt Isaac.
@@datderpderping501 Same could be said for all the melee fox mains. People seem to conveniently forget that Salem was a top player in brawl and used zero suit. (a mid tier)
@@CarbonMalite I'm aware that fox requires a lot of skill, but that wasn't my point. My point was to defend Salem's skill as a player in general. Despite the fact that he is undoubtedly the cause of the recent controversy I believe that his skill as a player should be respected
Dang, HBox's offstage edgeguards are AGGRESSIVE. If he develops those further, and figures out more safe situations to use sing, I can see him going places.
It’s likely due to how smash 4 players are deprived from edge guarding as they aren’t worth while there (you are better off ledge trapping in smash 4). Melee players are much more experienced with edge guarding and since recoveries are generally worse in ultimate it’s a pretty good option now. So while smash 4 players have an advantage in ultimate initially, melee players have an edge (lol pun unintended) with edge guarding
I love how people forget that Salem won a massive brawl tourney with zss before smash 4 even came out but now all of a sudden he got carried by bayo is all people say bout him lol
@@jahmairtrott4635 won A major brawl tourny. Lol okay? You know how many random retirees have come out of nowhere to win big fighting game tournaments. A couple top place finishes doesn't make you great. You need many to be great, having a couple top place finishes with no concurrent good finishes means nothing.
Rooting for HBox the hardest I’ve ever rooted for someone in my life. It would have been a majestic meme if a melee player beat salem with the research tag.
Some of the best commentary I've heard on a smash game. Good pacing, insightful, they don't talk over each other, not SUPER serious. Really really good
People need to stop taking it so seriously. At the end of the day it's a video game The most messed up part of the rant was the comments on mang0 and I think he apologized Even mang0 himself didn't take Salem seriously and embraced his comments lmao. People not involved taking it more serious than the people involved.
I personally don’t care about the drama. The fact people still complain about it is mind boggling. People will hold a grudge about almost every little thing. Salem quote unquote “lost the popular opinion” can we leave it at that?
Melee players should be a little humble smash ultimate is closer to smash 4 than it is melee so naturally smash 4 people will know more, for example Zero he is one of the best in ultimate and sm4sh
@@dreamcastdazia4753 Why would they want to play a slower game? I understand the mechanics of Smash 4, and Ultimate, and even started with Brawl. And I ended up playing Melee. It's not that I can't play them, they're just boring so I lost the *want* to play them
@@RPTRxCrosshairs My friends and I started with Smash 64, loved Melee, and hated Brawl and 4. Brawl was slow, trippy, floaty, and just not fun. Sm4sh was super defensive and matches lasted forever. Ultimate is the first one since Melee we've liked.
Mango I'm sorry but my mom said I can't watch you because she's afraid I might become too dangerous and do something crazy for example maining a low mid tier character like clap man warrior in smash ultimate... sorry Mango
I mean... Is Hbox really hated more than Leffen? I think A LOT of people hate Puff, but i feel like enough can separate their hatred of Puff from a hatred of HBox. On the other hand, Leffen has a lot of very dedicated haters, not without reason.
Michael Corser How much do you follow Melee? In the Melee community it’s absolutely no contest that Hbox is more hated than Leffen. It might balance out overall with the entire Smash community, but Hbox definitely has haters and Leffen definitely has a lot of fans, myself included hehe
@@j.prt.979 I don't think that's the case, not due to just swordies anyway, since Jiggs can float ambiguously just outside of sword range threaten in then punish the swing, certainly has a tough time in a fair few match ups though, more vs big fast aerials with low lag.
Man after watching M2K's video on the stages of ultimate i see Pokemon Stadium two really differently. It really is huge and great for characters who can camp you out with projectiles, in this case, Link
Epoch Divergence What about Dabuz and MVD, who both play campy characters, getting steamrolled on this stage? One pools set says nothing about the real state of the meta. This had nothing to do with the stage. Jigglypuff is just bad and could also be camped anywhere else.
@@kynlem I'm not so much saying that the stage is an automatic win or loss depending on the characters, but when you notice it, it TOTALLY is huuuge and definitely prefers campy characters. It is the actual longest stage of its kind. There's night and day difference even between it and the first Pokemon Stadium. Doesnt mean campy characters can't ever get destroyed on it cuz there are the variables of each player and who they're both playing, but i can't help but feel a smaller stage would have helped puff regardless since puff wouldn't have to travel so far to get within range.
Nazbolgaria that is called zoning and more characters are into that. Snake, belmonts, zss, duck hunt. It does not make the game slow. Jiggs exclusive aerial game makes matchup with characters who are best grounded slow. If you watch other salem plays with link, you will see that he is pretty aggressive but he cant do that to jiggs.
Fusion He has always used Link since the beginning of the game. And the fact that he thinks Link is good + mains him shows how much his opinions differ from Leffen’s.
I don’t mean to chat bad about Salem’s Link but a lot of his moves were questionable. He needs to use less arrows and more grabs plus the boomerang can lead into F-air. He could also use more B-airs and stop chasing the bomb if it’s away from him so instead it prevents Hbox from going to that area knowing there’s a bomb there. No hate again, just a lot of his moves weren’t necessary and he had better options.
Bitz idk bro, Salem was looking mad solid in this set. He was throwing out all those projectiles to zone hbox out. It might seem like they weren’t necessary but it does have an effect. It limits hbox’s options by putting out active hitboxes everywhere. Puff is floaty so not easy to combo her, Link doesn’t get much from grabbing puff. I think the bomb gimmicks he was doing was unpredictable which is a good thing. He landed explosions on hbox, I would say he played them well. I did see him use boomerang to fair, and I think he didn’t use bair much because it’s not that disjointed.
mysticcalm to be honest, you were right with some of that. Being that puff is floaty, blocking out her movement options is a good idea. But with Link’s power and with some lingering hit boxes even if things like boomerang don’t combo, it can still pressure h box and make him stay back, closer to the lede where the bomb becomes extremely useful.
Pretty much the only times I saw Hungrybox excelling were when he got those backairs (which hit like a truck, damn) or Salem off-stage. Pretty much just like Melee Puff except he has basically no rest set-ups besides fishing for Sing (?). Hungrybox is obviously a good player so he can do pretty well in this game, but I don't think Jiggs as a character is anything special. Of course, we're not even a month into the game so things could change a lot 🤷♀️
I like your analysis and I agree with you. Most of the time it felt like hbox was at a disadvantage. And that's not saying anything negative towards Salem who is obviously a good player. But I felt like I was watching a neutered puff against an aggressive and campy buffed link. Regardless both players did well and hopefully HBox will stick with the game and develop more jiggs tech over time.
Let me share a story with you lads. Once upon a time, there was a man called HungryBox. The underdog of smash melee for years until he beat his demon, a man named Armada. After his accomplishments there was a new installment by the name of smash ultimate by our lord and savior(s)... the crew at HAL Laboratory. There was an even higher ranking man named Masahiro Sakurai that had ascended to god level. While all of this took me “years of research”, and has wildly expanded my intellectual capacity, YOU SHOULD READ HBOX’S TAG. You’re welcome.
Ngl, that hug at the end is the first step to redemption. Keep being salty and those years of research will surely end with that L in the middle of your alias.
Why choose plain battlefield? Ever? I hate that we got the option to have like 100 other battlefield versions but we still see plain battlefield SO often. It's sad really.
I still like Salem, not my favorite smash player, that is Void, but I still like him. And HBox at least is a character loyalist and isn't as big of a douche as he was back in the day.
@Epic Terry I enjoy Glutonny. Not only because he mained a low tier in Brawl, a mid to low tier in 4, and (I'm assuming based off speculation) a mid tier in Ultimate, but because he's just a very clutch guy. He makes Wario look like a technical character with the way he uses the bike, waft setups, and Wario's lasting areal hitboxes. And yes, me being a Wario main does give me a slight bias towards Wario players like Glutonny, but hey, were all like that, right?
The years of research that went into this fight. Not surprised that Salem won with his Ph.D. in smash history.
Mewber sarcasm
That's Mister Doctor Professor Salem to you.
yung muney ^ That’s Mister Doctor Professor Sir Salem. If you’re going to speak on his name get it correct. All these non-researchers
I giggled.
I'm confused I really don't get this
Hbox’s tag LOL
Saika I have now determined hbox is the best ultimate player after years of research
Omg I just noticed, he’s trying to put those years of research to good use
Hes never played smash ever
He does play smash
lmaooo
Comment about years of research
yellouts to flip
dad you talk about years of research what about the years you've been at the store? please come home
Didnt expect to see dad here
skrooz scrungus Simpleflips Why do I see you to often in smash video Comments?!?
Dad if you're reading this plz come home
and in this moment, all melee players put their disputes aside to root for hungrybox
Feels weird tbh (I kinda like it)
He might not be the most likable guy but...
That tag ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
It may be the first time in history that the Smash community has ever been united in anything.
Jacob Arnold maybe not leffen
@@fissilewhistle Well this and the donation drive for EVO.
How is HBox so good at ultimate if he's never played a smash game before?
Ahooda Beginners luck
I mean, he did play Brawl and Smash 4 a bit, mostly just for fun tho
Antislycer he does ... that‘s why he says that Hbox did play Brawl and Sm4sh, while ignoring melee
😂😂
Antislycer YOU dont get the meme.
Dude almost lost to some dude that doesnt even play smash
Dude
@@ImpossibleCarl69 but he played melee, which isn't part of the smash community!
@@ImpossibleCarl69 you clearly missed the joke
@@lilcyrusj Maybe he's not up to date on smash drama.
The Link v Puff match up is also SUPER heavy in Link’s favor. Probably puffs worst match up
The only time in recent history I'm rooting for HBox
@SUCKAPAWNCH heard a story that he was a jerk with a kid asking for a picture or something like that. don't really know if it's true, though...
@SUCKAPAWNCH Have you seen his pop off at summit vs Zain? It was way over the top. I've seen multiple things that make me question his actions.
mesquita _ he himself has said he’s been less than cordial with his fans before. Honestly though, his fans annoy me way more than him. They paint Hbox as some brave martyr who despite everyone hating him and him playing a low high tier character (lol) has managed to be number 1. I respect Armada more than most other competitors so seeing him lose the crown playing against such a swingy character was frustrating, but Hbox seems like an ok guy irl. It just always feels like Puff doesn’t have to work anywhere near as hard as their opponent to get death punishes and edgeguards etc etc. People’s dislike of Puff due to those things, I think often turns into hatred of Hbox since he basically is the character, representation wise.
@SUCKAPAWNCH same, I've talked to the guy many times and sorta hung out with him and he wasn't even close to what people portray him as lol.
@@marcus21. That game was so intense! Honestly, he deserved the pop off with that crazy clutch.
I don’t think my heart has ever beat so fast. We need more ultimate hbox. WE NEED IT
This matchup is not great for Jigglypuff either lol. Hard to deal with Adult Link who's probably the best of the Links.
Please take him lol
Go for a run
@@apocalypseap the best is guaranteed young link fot now but ok....
@@dj-troost528 Remote detonated bombs and better killing power say otherwise.
Salem showing such respect to a non smash player is inspiring
That took me a minute to realize the joke
gtab
Well, leffen and hungrbox are two different people
Respect to Hbox staying with Jiggleypuff and not maining a top tier
They buffed the Puff so it’s fair to stick with her I think.
Dankey Kang then he goes back to melee and destroys us all lmaooo
I stayed with snake sooooooo do I count?
Probably the only way he can compete with top players.
Serious Striker buffed but not a top tier. Mid tier probably (in the hands of hbox potentially a high tier)
Despite all the drama, happy to see great competition.
And great for hugging it out at the end
ikr all jokes,memes and hate aside that set was really cool.
How dare you not be a memespewing non-person.
Aww man I always wanted to be a non person.
Rest should be an automatic star KO. Makes no sense that a high risk/high reward skill has an additional risk after you've executed it correctly.
No one noticed that kneecaps committed sad
Yo, kneecaps is here!
Imagine if you spotdodge an attack or read an airdodge, you shouldn't kill that easily
Shoutout to the Golden Sun fanatic at 4:46 in the background.
Would Golden Sun fans be satisfied if they added someone other than Isaac to Ultimate?
The hero we need, but not the one we deserve.
sadly that cosplayer has to let go eventually
Deep Fried Oddish Matthew or Felix would work
R.I.P GoldenSun, and responding to that first reply, I believe we fans could be satisfied if Felix or Matthew got in but wouldnt understand why it isnt Isaac.
"That would've killed a family of Jigglypuffs" xD
I'm so happy thag I'm not the only one that died at that.
I don't know why that's such a funny phrase but it is!
Imagine putting in years of research and nearly losing to a non smash player using a low tier. Salem still takes an L here
jeff jones It’s because he isn’t being carried by his smash 4 bayo LUL
@@datderpderping501
Same could be said for all the melee fox mains. People seem to conveniently forget that Salem was a top player in brawl and used zero suit. (a mid tier)
@@obamaorb7426 Fox takes infinitely more skill and Brawl is an entirely different game with a much lower skill ceiling so irrelevant point.
>puff
>low tier
@@CarbonMalite
I'm aware that fox requires a lot of skill, but that wasn't my point. My point was to defend Salem's skill as a player in general.
Despite the fact that he is undoubtedly the cause of the recent controversy I believe that his skill as a player should be respected
Dang, HBox's offstage edgeguards are AGGRESSIVE. If he develops those further, and figures out more safe situations to use sing, I can see him going places.
Really it’s just standard edgeguarding like in melee. It’s just that it looks aggressive compared to smash 4’s non-existent edgeguarding
It’s likely due to how smash 4 players are deprived from edge guarding as they aren’t worth while there (you are better off ledge trapping in smash 4). Melee players are much more experienced with edge guarding and since recoveries are generally worse in ultimate it’s a pretty good option now.
So while smash 4 players have an advantage in ultimate initially, melee players have an edge (lol pun unintended) with edge guarding
Yeah for a non smash player HBox seems to have a really solid base to work from :O
My dude, you don't get much more melee than being aggressive offstage for edgeguards, that's actually pretty standard.
Smash 4 players dont edgeguard watch how they let people get back on the stage for free
Damn he almost lost to a newcomer to the smash series. Salem really did rely on bayonetta a little bit
I love how people forget that Salem won a massive brawl tourney with zss before smash 4 even came out but now all of a sudden he got carried by bayo is all people say bout him lol
Jahmair Trott damn he won a BRAWL tournament. What about SMASH 4 which is his main career?
@@jahmairtrott4635 won A major brawl tourny. Lol okay? You know how many random retirees have come out of nowhere to win big fighting game tournaments. A couple top place finishes doesn't make you great. You need many to be great, having a couple top place finishes with no concurrent good finishes means nothing.
Jahmair Trott yall need to stop holding onto that one W
as impressive as it was it was YEARS ago
Jahmair Trott Brawl was a garbage fire in the history of smash, he's good but that doesn't make him an s tier player
shout out the Person in Golden Sun cosplay
Rooting for HBox the hardest I’ve ever rooted for someone in my life. It would have been a majestic meme if a melee player beat salem with the research tag.
Some of the best commentary I've heard on a smash game. Good pacing, insightful, they don't talk over each other, not SUPER serious. Really really good
I just realised what Hbox meant by his tag LMAOO
I didnt notice it till now lol. I think salem was cool about it though
Guess it took years of research for you to get that, huh?
@@LeoPokemonBrasil1 he actually played melee in fact, so... big yikes man
@@TheHatmanTheHitokori What
@Aquadasher r/shwishhhh
Maximum respect for that hbox tag
13:58 LMAO HE'S NERVOUS and tried to wavedash out of shield, I do that all the time too :(
I'm so glad they puffed the buff
Yaniel Dj Still bottom 10
At least buff has had SOME puffs
Needs more buffs
Going from unplayable to bad is quite the leap!
Definitely not bottom 10, I'd say she's a solid mid tier. Not solo mainable yet, though, as she struggles hard against FE characters, for example.
6:06 **Hear a yelling man in the background** "YEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!"
i was just about to comment that
Im suprised hbox took a game the match up is definately in salems favor
He could have won, I saw a rest opportunity but HBox didnt feelsbadman
Plus big stages just favor link
Platforms too
NB jiggs wants playforms to in order to manuver (spelling?) around projectiles and such
Alejandroide near the right side ledge? We might be talking about the same one
Funny how HBox and Salem are good sports while everyone else is still hurt over the drama.
Grudges are dumb...
Isn't it all just about the memes at this point, though?
@@wanderingrandomer I want to believe that, but I'm sure a good lot of people hold some very serious disdain here.
@@laggalot1012
Imagine getting angry over a children's party game
@@frankpro53 And yet, it is the world we live in.
God, after salem went on that rant I have no respect for the guy. Well played Hbox, genuinely sad you lost!
What rant?
@@kkyyee he said melee isnt apart of the smash community and went at armada and axe for no reason and called mango a dangerous person
People need to stop taking it so seriously. At the end of the day it's a video game
The most messed up part of the rant was the comments on mang0 and I think he apologized
Even mang0 himself didn't take Salem seriously and embraced his comments lmao. People not involved taking it more serious than the people involved.
I personally don’t care about the drama. The fact people still complain about it is mind boggling. People will hold a grudge about almost every little thing. Salem quote unquote “lost the popular opinion” can we leave it at that?
Melee players should be a little humble smash ultimate is closer to smash 4 than it is melee so naturally smash 4 people will know more, for example Zero he is one of the best in ultimate and sm4sh
rooting for Hbox
And he said melee can't play new smash games
Well they couldn't until now...
**didnt want to**
@@dreamcastdazia4753 Why would they want to play a slower game? I understand the mechanics of Smash 4, and Ultimate, and even started with Brawl. And I ended up playing Melee. It's not that I can't play them, they're just boring so I lost the *want* to play them
@@RPTRxCrosshairs My friends and I started with Smash 64, loved Melee, and hated Brawl and 4. Brawl was slow, trippy, floaty, and just not fun. Sm4sh was super defensive and matches lasted forever. Ultimate is the first one since Melee we've liked.
@@RPTRxCrosshairs this comment is why Salem got pissy about melee we get it you like the game better now shut up
Mango I'm sorry but my mom said I can't watch you because she's afraid I might become too dangerous and do something crazy for example maining a low mid tier character like clap man warrior in smash ultimate... sorry Mango
Hungrybox in a desperate, last ditch attempt to enter the smash community
You are an idiot. How is playing in a tourney when the game is new "last ditch?"
@@user-ce2br4wn7f You haven't seen the meme, have you?
@@user-ce2br4wn7f noob
Lmao Galeem/Dharkon theme fits so well since it’s a fight between two of the franchise’s “villains”
Salem hasn't been a villian ever tbh the only non hated smash 4 bayo player
@@zeno1099 My years of research say otherwise
And dark vs light
@@allegryan xP anybody who took that seriously doesn't know Salem very well , just happens that's a lot of 'bodies
Hungrybox isn’t a villain. Maybe if it was Leffen.
I've never wanted Hbox to win this badly, gg's though.
In fact, I was wishing all the time that Salem wins, he do an awesome show!!
That was an awesome set, i really hope to see Hungrybox getting far in this game...
Salem's got balls for showing up to a tournament, lol
How? Lol its a video game relax 90 percent of the people there have never even been in a fight lol
Looooool Nah bruh. He's not intimidated most likely. He might be a bit awkward but he has a EVO so he probably doesn't care much what people think.
@@theloadingscreen3193 I'm not talking about fighting. An altercation doesn't always mean a fist fight.
Lol, it's twitter... all those dorks don't even leave their house let alone know how to drive.
The Legacy of Gaming what were you referring to?
The 2 most "hated" smash players POOGERS
r k but hbox isn’t apart of the smash community idiot
You mean the 2 most hated "smash" players
iUseDemFrapz ffs people need to learn the difference between a part and apart. I see this so much
I mean... Is Hbox really hated more than Leffen? I think A LOT of people hate Puff, but i feel like enough can separate their hatred of Puff from a hatred of HBox. On the other hand, Leffen has a lot of very dedicated haters, not without reason.
Michael Corser How much do you follow Melee? In the Melee community it’s absolutely no contest that Hbox is more hated than Leffen. It might balance out overall with the entire Smash community, but Hbox definitely has haters and Leffen definitely has a lot of fans, myself included hehe
Shoutout to Solar @4:40 You doing god's work man
WE NEED GOLDEN SUN BACK!
#BringBackGoldenSun
Love seeing the melee and smash4 players play against each other. Thank you Sakurai.
Still hugged in the end, really nice moment. Sure, these research jokes are fun and stuff but this hug for example is the future
I think Puff is pretty good in this game. Hbox did really well, considering Link is one of Puff's worst matchups in Ultimate
True swordies make her look like trash, though. Puff definitely needs a secondary.
@@j.prt.979 I don't think that's the case, not due to just swordies anyway, since Jiggs can float ambiguously just outside of sword range threaten in then punish the swing, certainly has a tough time in a fair few match ups though, more vs big fast aerials with low lag.
Broadbull, Enabler of Uncounted Combos Well, I mostly meant high octane swordies, I guess. Cloud, Roy, Chrom, Ike ... Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Years in the making
Man after watching M2K's video on the stages of ultimate i see Pokemon Stadium two really differently. It really is huge and great for characters who can camp you out with projectiles, in this case, Link
Epoch Divergence What about Dabuz and MVD, who both play campy characters, getting steamrolled on this stage? One pools set says nothing about the real state of the meta.
This had nothing to do with the stage. Jigglypuff is just bad and could also be camped anywhere else.
@@kynlem I'm not so much saying that the stage is an automatic win or loss depending on the characters, but when you notice it, it TOTALLY is huuuge and definitely prefers campy characters. It is the actual longest stage of its kind. There's night and day difference even between it and the first Pokemon Stadium.
Doesnt mean campy characters can't ever get destroyed on it cuz there are the variables of each player and who they're both playing, but i can't help but feel a smaller stage would have helped puff regardless since puff wouldn't have to travel so far to get within range.
We can all agree that Salem will not win the tournament.
pmu hope he wins tho so the link meta develops.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 His link is kinda meh tho.
Kaqkaw against jiggs? Ofcourse. That character makes any game slow.
@@showmeyourmoves8551 That honestly sounds like twitch chat when HBox plays
No Bayo unfortunately
At 12:46 why did Salem wait on recovering? Hbox had missed the window was open to up b, instead he waited to get hit by the bair. Weird.
This is the best Smash set I’ve seen in quite a while.
bigbangbot best? Jigglypuff makes the game slower than brawl 🤣🤣🤣
No, because Jigglypuff was in Brawl too.
Show Me Your Moves in melee she makes the game slow but Salem was literally camping hbox puff isn't that slow in this game
Nazbolgaria that is called zoning and more characters are into that. Snake, belmonts, zss, duck hunt. It does not make the game slow. Jiggs exclusive aerial game makes matchup with characters who are best grounded slow.
If you watch other salem plays with link, you will see that he is pretty aggressive but he cant do that to jiggs.
u srs?
@15:26 love that sportsmanship and respect ♥️
Excellent set, guys!
HBox had the read at the end but missed the spacing.
4:41 "Bring Back Golden Sun"
you had one job hbox
😂
And he did it
2:55 Hungrybox tries to wavedash lol
Hbox almost pulled it off, very impressive! Was rooting for him.. great match.
Dont worry ISSAC 4:45
We saw you
8:57 HBOX'S VEIN JESUS
I think it's a muscle that it's moving because he's chewing gum
A player how has done Years of research vs the man killing melee. This is what o have waited my whole life to see
Lol where’s the Snake Salem 😂
Fusion He has always used Link since the beginning of the game. And the fact that he thinks Link is good + mains him shows how much his opinions differ from Leffen’s.
Ethan C. Lol
@@ethanc.1443 but he's talking about the snake
Salem never played Snake. Salem got upset because of what Leffen said, but that doesn't mean he plays Snake.
Link is the new snake
So great to see legends from different smash games clashing
Man, I haven't rooted for HBox in ages.
Incredible match. So close. Hbox dodging those projectiles over and over was a thing of beauty.
I love how so many ppl had quit smash b4 ult came out
Lazzy too wavyy not really
Everyone quit all their games
@@arjaymoreno408 omni,shofu,zero just to name a few
Lazzy too wavyy sorry misunderstood
@@arjaymoreno408 no worries😁
This was a joy to watch and they were sportsmanlike after it was all over too. Impressive.
I don’t mean to chat bad about Salem’s Link but a lot of his moves were questionable. He needs to use less arrows and more grabs plus the boomerang can lead into F-air. He could also use more B-airs and stop chasing the bomb if it’s away from him so instead it prevents Hbox from going to that area knowing there’s a bomb there. No hate again, just a lot of his moves weren’t necessary and he had better options.
Bitz idk bro, Salem was looking mad solid in this set. He was throwing out all those projectiles to zone hbox out. It might seem like they weren’t necessary but it does have an effect. It limits hbox’s options by putting out active hitboxes everywhere. Puff is floaty so not easy to combo her, Link doesn’t get much from grabbing puff. I think the bomb gimmicks he was doing was unpredictable which is a good thing. He landed explosions on hbox, I would say he played them well. I did see him use boomerang to fair, and I think he didn’t use bair much because it’s not that disjointed.
Yea I agree. Think he camped far too much
Keep in mind he was playing against Jiggs and by playing that intense of a camping game it gave him a massive advantage in the matchup.
You should show him when you beat his link with your link in a tournament
mysticcalm to be honest, you were right with some of that. Being that puff is floaty, blocking out her movement options is a good idea. But with Link’s power and with some lingering hit boxes even if things like boomerang don’t combo, it can still pressure h box and make him stay back, closer to the lede where the bomb becomes extremely useful.
Oh man started rooting for that comeback at the end. gg!
#BringBackGoldenSun
I dont care anymore if Isaac isnt playable. I just want another GS game...
Truth!
0:25 melee vs smash bros. How long can we continue this?
They hugged
Now the Ultimate heel team up is upon us
Pretty much the only times I saw Hungrybox excelling were when he got those backairs (which hit like a truck, damn) or Salem off-stage. Pretty much just like Melee Puff except he has basically no rest set-ups besides fishing for Sing (?).
Hungrybox is obviously a good player so he can do pretty well in this game, but I don't think Jiggs as a character is anything special. Of course, we're not even a month into the game so things could change a lot 🤷♀️
I like your analysis and I agree with you. Most of the time it felt like hbox was at a disadvantage. And that's not saying anything negative towards Salem who is obviously a good player. But I felt like I was watching a neutered puff against an aggressive and campy buffed link. Regardless both players did well and hopefully HBox will stick with the game and develop more jiggs tech over time.
Puff has a lot of rest confirms thou. Hbox actually had the kill before Salem in last set
Jiggs is like a mid tier in ultimate.hbox could push the character to a high tier if he puts in the effort.
does salem have a YT channel? lve link, didnt know anyone actively played him on the pro stage
Salem looks baked out his mind all the time
MMMMh that sweet sweet raining music for the first match man it can't get more epik than that
Let me share a story with you lads.
Once upon a time, there was a man called HungryBox. The underdog of smash melee for years until he beat his demon, a man named Armada. After his accomplishments there was a new installment by the name of smash ultimate by our lord and savior(s)... the crew at HAL Laboratory. There was an even higher ranking man named Masahiro Sakurai that had ascended to god level. While all of this took me “years of research”, and has wildly expanded my intellectual capacity, YOU SHOULD READ HBOX’S TAG. You’re welcome.
When we getting Banjo Kazooie?
Link is actually busted vs puff. Hbox played like a mad man
After years of research he’s ready for hungry box.
Took years of research to figure out jigglypuff
How many years of research has hbox done?? seems pretty smart 2 me
Hungrybox played well, that 3rd game was really close
Despite the Salem hate, gotta give the man props for his sick link
Wow how can Salem almost lose to a guy who never played a Smash game?
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Melee ? Nope ? Doesn’t count ? Oh u guys are stupid now i understand
All i have to say for some dudes who doesn’t respect their olders (if u know about this then u will realise melee is the base of smash community)
Omg my heart was pumping so fast! That match was INSANE
Ngl, that hug at the end is the first step to redemption. Keep being salty and those years of research will surely end with that L in the middle of your alias.
What
Now that he placed third nobody can say he is carried anymore lmao
Why choose plain battlefield? Ever? I hate that we got the option to have like 100 other battlefield versions but we still see plain battlefield SO often. It's sad really.
I gotta say this is so much better to watch than the smash4 matches
I still like Salem, not my favorite smash player, that is Void, but I still like him. And HBox at least is a character loyalist and isn't as big of a douche as he was back in the day.
Void's hype
Salem is almost your favourite smash player and Hbox is simply "not a douche"
Such blasphemy
HBOX POPPED OFF ON MY HOUSE AND NOW IM IN DEBT HE IS THE WORST WAAHHHWAHHHHH
I hate the comment, not you.
@Epic Terry I enjoy Glutonny. Not only because he mained a low tier in Brawl, a mid to low tier in 4, and (I'm assuming based off speculation) a mid tier in Ultimate, but because he's just a very clutch guy. He makes Wario look like a technical character with the way he uses the bike, waft setups, and Wario's lasting areal hitboxes.
And yes, me being a Wario main does give me a slight bias towards Wario players like Glutonny, but hey, were all like that, right?
This was exciting. I was rooting for HBox. A real underdog matchup.
First! Years of research?
Kept ya waiting huh?
Hbox may have lost... but he won.
The fact that he almost beat a man with years of research on his side showed Salem that he's just as capable of playing a smash game as he is.
@@DanielBiggins17 that's pretty incredible considering Hbox never played a smash game before
@Epic Terry No he didn't, HungryBox was a decent player in Brawl and Smash 4, too bad Jigglypuff has never been good in an actual smash game.
Who made the Villain Royale a thing?
Never thought I’d see the day were I root for hbox
That's the results guys, the results of the years of research
Two players who killed the competitive of their respective games. How fitting
4:40 This is all I care about. Bring it back for sure.
A non-smash player vs. years of research. The outcome was obvious!
Great matches!
Hbox's tag 👌
Wait, so HBox is actually taking up Ultimate competitively? Is this the first Smash game since Melee that he's competing in?
Damn HungryBox is pretty Dangerous.
is this the same commentator from the invitational? if so he sounds like he's massively improved
His name was research 😂