ZeRo please just main him. I feel like this is one character you can never get bored of because there will always be some interesting situations. Plus you actually like this character, and I don't want Young Link nerfed into the ground.
@@KingOfAceZ1Here's the thing. While you may think that me saying him playing Young Link will get him nerfed, will automatically mean the same for Shulk, but this is not the case. Think about it like this, SO many people are gonna play Young Link, and inevitably he will be nerfed cause a character like him is very popular in online marches. Shulk on the other hand is a completely different story. Even with all these great buffs, he's still going to be a VERY high skill cap character and not a lot of people are going to play him online, so if ZeRo mains him and does really good. He may get nerfed, but not as bad as a character that dominates across the board online and in tournaments. Make sense?
Now that all all if not most stages have been shown of with stage hazards off and we've seen game play will you be doing "is this legal?" anytime soon?
Kinomoru obviously not I’m just stating the illegal part to specify that it isn’t aloud and shouldn’t be done and is the same as stealing something of the game value
Absolutely intend on maining shulk in this game. Loved playing him in smash 4, he had too many problems in it though. These changes are looking promising across the board.
Hes been the one I've consistently been practicing ever since I stopped playing competitively in smash 4. So I'm very excited to try out all these potential differences
I'd actually argue Shulk's recovery may be better now (new info they may not have had at the time of recording) but, Shulk can now use backslash to recover from high like the down strike of Cloud up B, however, backslash has such a large hitbox in front of him, so it's harder to punish. As well, it's super easy to get into Jump art to recover
What I wanna know is if Shulk can switch into shield Monado between the hits of multi hit smash moves like Diddy F smash or Up smash... that would be nuts
you can use the c stick for it, a shulk player who pirated the game confirmed it not much point to it though since you cant move while the wheel is open
Switching Arts was always a hassle for me in Sm4sh. It being MUCH easier to switch, plus being able to switch in hitstun makes me really want to take him more seriously, might even have him be my main sword character.
The only problem I see with the switching between like 3-4 monados for 1 combo is that you won't be able to use those arts again for bit. But that's not a big issue imo. Edit: That ending XD
Can we please just have M2K doing these analysis videos from now on? As great as it is to see Zero, I feel like whenever it's just with M2K, the videos are faster and way more enjoyable
Off topic and just some nitpicking: I think young link should use the gilded sword and mirror shield from Majora’s mask and have that one mask on the side of his hat like in hyrule warriors. Also have his final smash be fierce deity link.
Those are straight up the ugliest weapon and shield designs in any Zelda game though. I suppose it would be cool to have Pokemon Trainer style transformations with the masks, but that's way to much to ask and I'm very happy with just having multiple strong/viable Zelda characters.
I hope they just never nerf characters unless there is something actually unbelievably broken. Besides that there should only be buffs to weaker characters to make them on the same level as powerful ones.
If the best character is too broken, making everyone equally broken isn't necessarily the best approach. I do prefer that to making everyone equally weak, but if everyone is super busted then I might as well play Smash 64.
Billy Strmiska not deconfirmed, chrom, inklings etc are both mii costumes and characters. All characters playable in the game have spirits representing them.
His startup frames look the same and that was his biggest problem imo. Many characters would just challenge him with faster aerials and they would hit him before his moves came out.
I believe the general term for it is "stimming" (don't quote me on that) - the sensation and stimulation helps with focus and comfort, at least in my experience.
Having just played him about an hour ago, can confirm he's still not great. Aerials are still very slow and are fairly hard to hit, smash attacks are still very laggy, and just generally all of his old weakness are still there just slightly better. (and this is coming from someone who was a Shulk main in sm4sh)
The biggest thing that Zer0 missed about Shulk is how long the monado arts last. These are Hyper Monado Arts now, the custom move for Shulk in Smash 4 that grants more art effects, but shorter duration. As a Shulk player, not main, I tend to cycle through Speed and Buster almost often within a match. Now it's more like Xenoblade 1 where the arts are short as hell. Lmao
![[SSBU] The Move That Makes Cloud Good](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LNX18ZToOa4/mqdefault.jpg)
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Never forget that M2K called the Monado "Monando" in 2014.
LMAOOOO I REMEMBER
Jon McConnell dang, can’t believe it’s been that long
link?
He just enjoys swinging that chicken leg around.
THIS IS THE FERNANDO’S POWWA
never forget m2k getting falcon punched 3 times in 5 minutes
ZeRo please just main him. I feel like this is one character you can never get bored of because there will always be some interesting situations. Plus you actually like this character, and I don't want Young Link nerfed into the ground.
He better not get this character nerfed.
@@KingOfAceZ1Here's the thing. While you may think that me saying him playing Young Link will get him nerfed, will automatically mean the same for Shulk, but this is not the case. Think about it like this, SO many people are gonna play Young Link, and inevitably he will be nerfed cause a character like him is very popular in online marches. Shulk on the other hand is a completely different story. Even with all these great buffs, he's still going to be a VERY high skill cap character and not a lot of people are going to play him online, so if ZeRo mains him and does really good. He may get nerfed, but not as bad as a character that dominates across the board online and in tournaments. Make sense?
Theres no way young link and pikachu dont get nerfed
I see no way he’s not maining diddy
Why do you want him to main shulk? If you like Shulk that much then play him yourself
-shulks neutral b swaps monado arts
-kirby can copy all characters neutral b
_'thinks of kirby and shulk doubles shenanigans'_
What ideas have you put into my head
kirby is pretty awesome with monado-arts, giving him even more aerial pressure, more ko power and more combo potential
Back in smash 4 I used to play against a shulk as kirby, using speed Monado and jump monado on kirby is crazy
Last Stand Kirby can switch Monado arts mid-combo... oh no
Alright let's talk about Shulk!
"What kind of shoes are that?"
I wish I had a relationship with literally anything the way Zero and M2K are friends.
Now it's Shulk time!
I'm really feeling it!
Now that all all if not most stages have been shown of with stage hazards off and we've seen game play will you be doing "is this legal?" anytime soon?
he did
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@@bray4883 I think they're talking about an updated one. Those ones were done before we knew how hazards off would work on every stage
oh okay
That Pac Man pizza joke was next-level dad humor yo! Love it
2:30 "gajillion times better. ...not that many"
idk why but the fact that he overexaggerates intentionally and then corrects himself is funny to me
they tried to sell a pacman pizza.
the only problem with that is that it's missing a slice
lmao
i hate you
@@TD0150 more like you h-ate the missing slice ;)
h
Very minoscule. *M2K smug grin*
Timestamp?
@@thajuice6695 13:41
@@thajuice6695 13:40
Chrom is basically Little Mac with a Sword
I’m so stoked for this character
ZeRo: minascule
Mew2king: yeah very *minAscule*
"I'm really feeling it".
Shulk will be good.
According to someone who pirated, backslash snaps to ledge now. If that’s true that’s ridiculous.
Triforce Charizard Saw a video of it, it does. aerial backslash also goes a farther distance, so it may be a reliable recovery option.
That's insane, now shulk is going to be impossible to ledge trap as long as he recovers high.
Tell that person they’re a damn thief that is illegally stealing a game
The Drunk Apple "illegally stealing", so is there a legal way to steal something?
Kinomoru obviously not I’m just stating the illegal part to specify that it isn’t aloud and shouldn’t be done and is the same as stealing something of the game value
Absolutely intend on maining shulk in this game. Loved playing him in smash 4, he had too many problems in it though. These changes are looking promising across the board.
*"I've been waiting... Waiting for this day!"*
Wesleyem3 “ZANZA!!!”
Zero - "Today's video we are going to talk about Shulk."
M2K - "What kind of shoes are those?!"
Hes been the one I've consistently been practicing ever since I stopped playing competitively in smash 4.
So I'm very excited to try out all these potential differences
M i n *aw* s c u l e
11:05 absolutely blew my mind.
I'd actually argue Shulk's recovery may be better now (new info they may not have had at the time of recording) but, Shulk can now use backslash to recover from high like the down strike of Cloud up B, however, backslash has such a large hitbox in front of him, so it's harder to punish. As well, it's super easy to get into Jump art to recover
7:22 Up-smash 1's hitstun isn't enough to combo into 2, Incineroar uses final smash immediately. Backslash now grabs ledge.
What I wanna know is if Shulk can switch into shield Monado between the hits of multi hit smash moves like Diddy F smash or Up smash... that would be nuts
They should let you map manado to c stick
you theoretically could with bidou if it’s in the game
you could map a shoulder button to special along with the c stick and use both at the same time
LeCoolFace whoosh
you can use the c stick for it, a shulk player who pirated the game confirmed it
not much point to it though since you cant move while the wheel is open
So shield art during grab combo translation
*Your combo is mine now"
M2K's reaction to that Pac-Man pizza joke was absolutely priceless.
Remember when people said that countering in shieldmode does more damage?
Still get PTSD
The Xenoblades Chronicles 2 music👌🏽
"this character has so much potential" iv heard that before
In EVERYvideo, M2K is rocking back and forth 😂,
do captain falcon
I want to see these two do a live analysis and breakdown of Ganondorf, Wolf, or Snake next.
Though the Shulk variant in the video was based off of Sharla, it looks a lot like rex's colors too.
F :(
@@heir2themonado422 I'm pretty sure rex still has a chance of getting in though.
Hoping my boy DK is even more fun than he was in Sm4sh
Look up tweek playing dk in ultimate, he has a blast. Dk looks really fun!
Loses the ding dong but buffed in other ways
Games Half Empty hopefully since he wasn’t very fun in smash 4 (imo the ding-dong kills were super lame and boring)
I need an olimar analysis
Switching Arts was always a hassle for me in Sm4sh. It being MUCH easier to switch, plus being able to switch in hitstun makes me really want to take him more seriously, might even have him be my main sword character.
"What kind of shoes are that?"
-M2K 2018
M O N A N D O B O Y Z
Finally some justice for our blond weapon developer!
shuk really feels
16:33 that's actually how they came up with Pacman.
Zero's shulk is like esam's pikachu. They are always one of the best 😂😂😂😂
Nah he is not the best shulk
It's actually pretty genious to do a pacman pizza since you use less ingredients
The only problem I see with the switching between like 3-4 monados for 1 combo is that you won't be able to use those arts again for bit. But that's not a big issue imo.
Edit: That ending XD
0:38 ZeRo and M2K echo fighters confirmed
played shulk on smash 4 all the time thx sakurai 4 the buff
5:15 samon
Salmon
5:13 M2K... who may I ask... is Salmon?
16:28 best pacman joke ever lmao
Assuming the falcon held right as hard as possible... warp star has been nerfed... but it saved kirby 🤔
i wont lose faith, we need a bowser jr vid :)
I think it would be cool to see ZeRo using Shulk, but I don't know... something tells me that he'll stick with either Diddy or Sheik.
Can we please just have M2K doing these analysis videos from now on? As great as it is to see Zero, I feel like whenever it's just with M2K, the videos are faster and way more enjoyable
They ain't trying to sell pac man games.
I would buy a pac man pizza, but there would one less slice.
Lol, I love watching you guys.
Whats the frame window for parries in this game? is it 4 or 2?
Buster in 4 does less knockback as well
Overall, do you think ultimates characters will be more balanced or less balanced than in smash 4.
Incineroar recovery is so sad to look at .... gonna be hard to play him.
The Tempo Storm cloud looks like Wario's nose.
Off topic and just some nitpicking: I think young link should use the gilded sword and mirror shield from Majora’s mask and have that one mask on the side of his hat like in hyrule warriors. Also have his final smash be fierce deity link.
Seems like Moon assist trophy and bringing back Great Bay are all we can expect for Majora's Mask representation.
Those are straight up the ugliest weapon and shield designs in any Zelda game though. I suppose it would be cool to have Pokemon Trainer style transformations with the masks, but that's way to much to ask and I'm very happy with just having multiple strong/viable Zelda characters.
Did M2K just go "what are thoooose" on ZeRo
0:32 WHAT ARE THOSEEE
You know this character is too complex to even get an idea of how good he is this early. Guess I'll watch since i have nothing better
1:53 high level gameplay
Surely Wii Fit Trainer analysis
SHULK ANALYSIS WITH THE BEST COUPLE
f l u f f e r s
WAAA YOU CANT WAVEBOUNCE MONADO ART SWITCH WAAA (shulk does look fun, I might play him)
13:40 - 13:50
What kind of shoes are that?
Shula looking strong, I am very scared
Shula
I would buy a pac man pizza
16:16 lol this exchange
LeGeNdS
I hope they just never nerf characters unless there is something actually unbelievably broken. Besides that there should only be buffs to weaker characters to make them on the same level as powerful ones.
If the best character is too broken, making everyone equally broken isn't necessarily the best approach. I do prefer that to making everyone equally weak, but if everyone is super busted then I might as well play Smash 64.
Nathan Petrich well that’s why I said unless they are super broken
Stragetically
Liked for monokuma fluffers
Monokuma fluffers for DLC?
I kept telling everyone that Shulk was going to be insane in Ultimate. No one listened.
I listened.
I'm still not listening
How the hell are they gonna listen you if you have nothing near u LUL
13:40 lul m2k is toxic
lol m2k
What did he say?
@@anfycst9070 Probably just made fun of ZeRo's pronunciation?
I lul'd more from Jason's reaction than from Gonzalo's pronunciation, for sure.
Shulk looks absolutely dumb busted. More swordies. Hooraaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy
This music makes me sad we’re not getting Rex in Ultimate 😭.
They made him a mill costume instead of a dlc character -_-
Billy Strmiska not deconfirmed, chrom, inklings etc are both mii costumes and characters. All characters playable in the game have spirits representing them.
Cole Delay yes it is confirmed he’s not in
@@GregCaldwellPlays what confirmed he's not in?
MetaTele sakurai said so in the direct
His startup frames look the same and that was his biggest problem imo. Many characters would just challenge him with faster aerials and they would hit him before his moves came out.
Speed
Range
Pick one
@@octaviogonzalez8794 not sure what you are trying to say. he had speed and range before and it didn't save him from the problem I described.
@@Sonus2011 Speed in terms of frame data. Shulk has a lot of active frames too there has to be some sort of trade off.
Ya, I was just replying to most current opinions of Shulk where they always only talk about less ending lag and don't seem to address startup issues.
These are Monokuma fluffers
M2k say chrome instead of chrom and salmon instead of simon lolm2k
How come Mew2King always rocks back and forth like that?
I believe the general term for it is "stimming" (don't quote me on that) - the sensation and stimulation helps with focus and comfort, at least in my experience.
I think it's an Asperger's symptom? Idk if he has it or anything, but I come from a family with Asperger's. So I at least know a little bit.
TD Wouldn't that go to Jason? No offense to Jason but he demonstrates some symptoms of aspergers
@@TD0150 yes he does have Asperger's
Scrub Alert:
What's BMB?
BnB means bread and butter, it's used to name standard combos for every char
Having just played him about an hour ago, can confirm he's still not great. Aerials are still very slow and are fairly hard to hit, smash attacks are still very laggy, and just generally all of his old weakness are still there just slightly better. (and this is coming from someone who was a Shulk main in sm4sh)
hard to hit...????
Speed art dash cancelled up-tilts
Good luck landing against Shulk ever
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Lol, Xenoblade 2 music in a Shulk video
m2k please cover your mouth while you're coughing and nice vid
move mic away from his mouth most of all!
16:27 Lol
Hey guys
I want pizza so bad now lol
Who is the top?
ZeRo said the best character was Pikachu
SIDE B
The biggest thing that Zer0 missed about Shulk is how long the monado arts last. These are Hyper Monado Arts now, the custom move for Shulk in Smash 4 that grants more art effects, but shorter duration.
As a Shulk player, not main, I tend to cycle through Speed and Buster almost often within a match. Now it's more like Xenoblade 1 where the arts are short as hell. Lmao