I meant "Frozen Throne" not Two Thrones.*** Got Prince of Persia on the mind :P While this video details the graphical improvements that have been made - it's important to understand that WarCraft 3 Reforged has suffered a significant Downgrade since it was revealed in 2018. I've mentioned this at the end of the video, but because Blizzard only showed cinematics, i feel it didn't warrant an entire video to cover it. Point is - Blizzard did not deliver the "reforged" experience that we were all expecting. Sure, it looks nicer - but the reversal of Blizzard's policy regarding the ownership of custom games and the requirement to install the extra 30gb of data even if you don't own the Reforged edition seems like a poor choice by the developer. I personally am enjoying playing through it with the nice visuals - but hardcore fans of Warcraft 3 will likely be disappointed by a number of the changes. What do you guys think? You enjoying Reforged? Or are you refunding it already?
What did you expect? Starcraft Remastered looks exactly like Brood War. Which I'm sure is what they intended to do with this game. If you want a game with updated graphics and game play, beg for Warcraft 4.
@@Fion355 They never promised a totally revamped graphics overhaul and animations though. Since it's paired with Classic, that's just not possible. But the graphics in Reforged are better than Classic.
i've seen many of those comments. look at the players in wow. its more than ever. the newest main town is fuller than i've ever seen. people like u just stopped wow a time ago for private reasons not because of wow
@@SeanUCF are you kidding lmao. Reforged is not consistent at all, and has completely abandoned the heroic metalhead fantasy look that made Warcraft great.
@@pringles_mcgee Yeah, they totally took Warcraft in a whole different direction... Did you see the roof tops for some of these buildings in the video? Warcraft was never about that Asian anime vibe...
@@pinterakos3349 You have to play original WC3 to understand. Those animations were not amazing quality but they, combined with the models which have sort of tabletop minature look, had a cartoonish feel to them.
@@EcchiRevenge I've been playing the original since i was 7 years old. I know what are you talking about, but saying everything was more soulfull 17 years ago with the 2D corpses and without lipsync is just kinda stupid.
@@Nick930 I disagree, for a company of the size of Blizzard to lie like this and on top of this crap still ruin the old one, i do think they deserve it.
@@sheepfly That "WarZ" game deserved a 0.5. This new Reforged game by itself is completely playable, looks fine and is reasonably priced. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But there's ACTUAL terrible broken fake products out there that genuinely deserve the low score. The size of a development team doesn't matter. Remaster projects regularly are handled by very small teams
@@Nick930 the problem is sure it is a bit better but features have been removed and its far from what was promised by blizzard via the original reveal. You want a real remake look at AOE 2 DE vs the original version. It adds more civs new campaigns new effects textures sounds ai etc updates the Ui slightly. I loved warcraft 3 as a kid and seeing this lackluster remaster is sad.
@@northwestcoast2220 i know right? I understand that reforged fails to deliver some things. Plus the fact they dont give the option to play the classic experience is a pretty crappy thing to do to for the fans. I dont think this remaster deserves all this hate, its mostly the way they updated the old game instead that truly sucks.
5:17 - how is this a graphic improvement. The new environment textures and the softer lighting just make everything blurred and bland. The original was obviously going for a high contrast, cartoon feel. The old textures somehow manage to pop out more and convey more detail, even though they are much lower resolution. Just compare the dirt floor and gravel in 1:02. Even the trees are better in the old version. Forget the high-res foliage for a second and consider the tree trunk in 2:32. In the original, the trunk is low resolution, but they sneak in some light/shadow contrast to make it interesting. Now look at the reforged version. It is just a softly lighted, soft shadowed, brown stick, with some extra polygons that do absolutely nothing for it. It is just bland.
The terrain, trees, and water do not look that great in the remaster. Especially when viewed through normal gameplay not zoomed in. Particularly the water actually look worse in some ways. I also hear that animations were downgraded as units have less animation variety than before.
Yes, let's focus on the most insignificant detail ever and ignore the fact that the whole game looks miles better than the blurry shitshow that is Warcraft 3. I don't know what the fuck this fanbase wants, honestly. Prime example of rose tinted glasses in action right here.
@@Legend1315 Everyone who owned Darksiders 1 and 2 got remastered versions for FREE. Everyone who owned original Skyrim, got remaster for FREE. Everyone who owned Warcraft 3 original got kicked in the balls to spit out extra money for downgraded game, but with better textures.
@@Legend1315 That's what I've been saying! Thank god I'm not alone I have no clue what these "fans" are on but this remaster is way better than the old game by far and its only 30$!!!!! They are acting like they dropped 100$ on a deluxe version of a game sorta like mass effect andromeda scandal and it's not even close to that.
The hd character models are really out of place when you compare it to enviroment. What is most out of place and really break the visuals in cutscenes is the reflective armor on characters. In the scene you see all models,textures look normal with absolutely no reflection at all, but very few characters pop out in their shiny super polished armor. Really I cant get over this one.. worst offenders are Uther, Arthas and Thrall and his golden shiny wolf. I dont understand how nobody in blizzard saw this. Those models would be really good if they had little less shine and maybe little bit battleworn armor. Btw this shiny reflection always remind me protoss in starcraft BUT its fucking super advanced aliens so I am ok with their super polished shiny look.
I am sure this problem is in game only because it was not made by blizzard and they contracted one studio to make characters, buildings another to make enviroment objects and textures etc.. Then someone at blizzard used these assets from multiple studios and made the game we got.
@@eth_saver I'm pretty sure you're right. That malaysian outsourcing company had each 3D models from the original game separately and they just made it more detailed with higher resolution textures etc... In fact, all those models look pretty decent when you see them individually. It just doesn't work when you put them all together. Normally, there must be an art director at Blizzard who's in charge of supervising the outsourcing and he's in charge of keeping a visual consistency. If there is one, he did a terrible job.
Exactly it looks definitely better than original but it still feels cheap compared to Blizzard standards they used to have. Character models are fine except for their animation BUT the terrain/environments would need still lot of work and many of the 3D characters portraits also look rather cheap/poor
While I do like the new models, this is one thing that keeps bugging me. Unfortunately, this isn't new to Warcraft, WoW started the de-saturation trend because...reasons.
This is a very baffling statement. The grass in reforged for example is neon green already, the only way I can imagine to make it more vibrant would be to give it an eerie uranium glow. The same goes for everything really.
That's because they probably outsourced to Philippines where cheap monitors as well as talent were used. Anyone remembers what happened to Dragonball when it was outsourced to Toei Philippines?
@@Servellion Because they followed the fantasy trend started around 2009 or 2010 when dark fantasy became popular and high fantasy was seen as childish. Now we get fantasy games that lack color. All we get are boring browns and greys and a desaturated filter in most fantasy shows and movies. I hate it.
If by modern and excellent look you mean cheap mobile game look done by a different studio you are spot on. They also paywalled some of the existing graphic settings for the classic version. Reforged is horrid.
Lmao that "mobile" look is the same look just upgraded. It is still consistent with the game design. Art resources done by a third-party isn't a novelty either.
there are many texture bugs in wc3remarster, and to be honest the new art style makes the game look bland, shot in 8:30 imo the old version is far more eye pleasing
Alex Xu YESS that’s what bothers me. The color pallet makes it too two dimensional. Like a 5 year old drawing a landscape. I mean comon navy blue river really?! 😂
I personally preferred the aesthetics of the original. They should have kept it looking cartoony rather than go for realism with a cartoony colour pallet. The new one has higher detailed textures but lacks all of the original's charm. It's a shame Blizzard have lost their touch. I hope they keep the hell away from Diablo 2.
There's no such thing as wc3's original 'charm' - it just looks like crap in comparison to what wc3 reforged is supposed to be. Edit: still wished that wc3 reforged was actually good, aside from the bugs and a lot of features removed from the original game, I'd still wish that the models won't reset their stance after every attack animation.
What are you even talking about? How is warcraft 3 reforged anywhere near realistic? It's still cartoony. I dont think the style is the problem, I think it's just the graphic fidelity is underwhelming for a remaster in 2020.
I agree I hate the "realistic" look they went with in reforged WC had always been over the top cartoony feel to it. It just looks like a generic Chinese or Korean mmo feel to their looks.
@@larrythebomb5001 indeed the realism doesn't go quite well with WoW and keeping it more "cartoony" is better I mean in World of Warcraft nowadays I think you won't find Chromium looking armor ,look at the Stormwind Harbor Guards ( Shadowlands or whatever latest models ) they look like decent footman for the reforged version
Newer graphics is not always a better graphics, while the textures and models have improved in resolution and details they do not look better and mostly they do not feel like they belong/fit to this game. For RTS games high end graphics and very high texture detail does not necessarily improve the gameplay as some might think. Whole view is displayed from considerable height and you don't need super graphics for game to look good.
I heard that Warcraft 3 Classic had certain graphical features blocked behind the Reforged toggle to give the new version an artificial edge in the visual department- notably, the option for shadows (that's been a thing for 15 years) now can only be turned on by buying Reforged. If you're comparing between the two versions of Warcraft 3 from the client, I'd be curious to see a comparison to an original pre-patch copy to see if this is true.
Everything has a tad bit of Asian too... Have you seen the roof of the townhall? The roof of the Barracks looks even worse than that too... Very oriental like. It's what happens when you allow an Asian dev company to "reforge" reforge.
From what I can tell. the 'classic' mode from reforged is NOT the same as the real 2002 classic, has something to do with the engine. I was hoping to see the comparison between the real old and new. E.g. the unit shadows ARE supposed to be there, and they can clearly be seen in the old classic, but they are gone in reforged classic. The problem with all those new details is that they can only be seen in cut-scenes, the 'realistic' grass looks like crap from the basic gameplay angle (view from the top). The detailed units also look less distinct, which is a death crime for a RTS
Nick930 honestly? And I’m not trying to be funny here...I feel the reinterpretation of that sign was way off and is reflective with how out of sync Blizzard is all across this remaster.
Nick930 I know and it’s a bit fourth wall breaking but that’s something I appreciate with older Blizzard games; genuine fun (sometimes out of place) flourishes that showed playfulness, that there was warmth and charm and the developers personality in the product. It was also nice that fun out of place things like this could be okay because older Blizzard games seemed to be able to coalesce into something that transcended individual parts that would stick out and detract from lesser games. It also never felt egotistical, pandering (so hard to not make a pun then), or too self aware. Was just genuine fun.
@@Fuuntag Fair. I don't feel as though the new version is really avoiding that "charm" though. It still feels fairly playful in its art direction, with rounded edges and exaggerated features. Honestly.. I prefer the design of Warcraft 2. It started to look silly by Warcraft 3.
Um your joking when you say the grass looks flat right? He showed you how the grass moves with a unit in this video, it doesn't look flat, the original version was flat
@@RINJ0ker Yes it may look good when zoomed in, but when you play the game in top down view the new grass does look flat. The problem is that each of the 3D grass blades fail to stand out from the rest of the terrain, either due to the lack of lighting or shadow. The colors of the grass also blend in too much to the rest of the tileset color palette. Compared to classic, while it did not implement any foliage , it shows a sense of layer and transitions very well into a different tileset. source: old school wc3 player and a side artist
This was a wonderful review that stuck to facts! I enjoyed the pace of the video and your quality and video edit. This was very satisfying and answered my questions about the Remaster. Thank you!
Everything about the classic looked better. The cartoony, blocky and starkness was stylish. The new stuff is overkill, generic and lacks the laid back, humorous signature of the original. and don't even get me started to what they did to the core elements of the game.
Sure the reworked game looks a lot more realistic, but Blizzard was never going for realism when they created Warcraft 3. It's nice of them to have gone into the files and swapped them with new hyper-realistic models but whats the point when 95% of the game is viewed from an aerial angle - I feel like the new models lost that "Warcraft" charm, they're very generic... look at the night elf wisp or the dryad for example. The UI is literally the same, gameplay elements like only being able to select 12 units maximum still stuck in 2002. If they wanted to keep the game as close to the original so both classic and reforged players could compete in multiplayer why did they remove so many multiplayer elements (ladder, clans, profiles)? Sad to say but the whole thing looks rushed and a cash grab, which is unfortunate as this was probably the highlight of Blizzcon 2018 announcements for a lot of people. They had one chance to improve the game and they blew it.
Firstly its because the cartoonish style. Then theres the coloring. Also no one mentiones how light the old version feels when you play it. Animations are waaaay beter in the old version
Something I don't like about modern RTS games is how the sprites seem to flow or glide over the ground, whereas older RTS's had a more believable walk or run. Really puts me off playing these things as pretty much all new games do that.... Could have used some hit detection to make it more fun too like Diablo 2
They forget one thing, the footwork and movement of the units 😞. The classic is more realistic than reforged who's units is like sliding instead of running 👎.
I was happy to see an update at all. Im not a WoW fan so it was awesome to see some love shown to this game I loved. They could have done better, but I am happy to play Story Mode again
@@Nick930 Wastelanders is gonna come with the Steam release as far as I know Ido if is true but if it is... Bethesda would have a chance to reedem his actual reputation
Old version vs New version(Reforged) of WC3 Graphics: New Version(Reforged) Gameplay: Old Version(which is spells are still old from New Version.) Cinematics battle from Undead final scenes(Arthas vs Illidan): Old Version. Script speed: Old Version(New version mouth moves are perfectly great. But, some dialogues are just stopped with their speaking of mouth moves. And next scenes are kinda slow....) Game Characters: Reforged Music: Both Calling their names on chapter scripts: Old Version.(Ex: Old version - Grom, You've got to come with me. and Grom?) (New version changed into Hellscream as a last name instead of first name.) And that's my reviews.
It's weird, when you zoom in and examine the models, the Reforged ones are clearly much better and more detailed. But when you're zoomed out just normally playing the game, it doesn't feel any different.
The muted colors of Reforged make it look dull when compared to the original. The old game felt much more alive, it felt like it had more detail than the new edition where there's almost no contrast. OG wins this.
The new spell effects are WORSE too....honestly wish they would just touched upon the doodad trees and character models ONLY and blew them up to better WoW like scale. Nothing else needed an overall Especially not the UI.
@@Nick930 Same mate , the original trilogy was legendary. At least a remaster of Warrior Within would be greatly appreciated. Ubisoft Montreal should really pick development on PoP back up , since Assassin's Creed's already kinda gotten oversaturated....
*It's not a bad game...* they put nice details on it, *BUT* that is useless if the connection fails frequently..., creative freedoms are restricted, and you have to meet many requirements to be able to play (to be able to play a game with common graphics for the times in which we are) *If we leave all that stuff out Reforged is a casual game that all wc3 fans would play normally.*
I think the sound is a little disappointing but I'll be buying it for sure. Will we be getting the Frozen Throne at some point too? That would be awesome.
look like for the sound effect they copy and paste it from the old game. I guess the only good thing about this remake is the graphic, i dont know about the content from Reforge compare to the original Warcraft since im not gonna buy this remake
The individual visual elements are pretty good, but the overall style doesn't really age well... also, I don't think they redid the sounds at all, just adjusted the volume and cleaned it up a bit.
Warcraft III classic within reformed is not the same as Warcraft III classic. They've removed shadows among other changes. I'm not a player, but I've been watching the debacle with great interest.
1 detail in the first mission with the bandits. When you encounter them stealing the ledger you could surround the leader, prevent him from running and kill him quite easily. In reforged he is invulnerable and cannot be attacked until he reaches his camp. Really made speed runs a lot longer.
There is definitively a graphical improvement but I feel like they could do more. The last time I played WC3 I was 16 years ago (!) so I will probably buy it anyway.
The point is that they simply remade the visual effect, instead of updating the whole landscape and the whole background is totally outdated. Hundreds of development, zero innovation.
The in-game models have a few thousand times as many polygons, but that's where the advancements end. The sound design is nearly identical to the original, which is good because the original's sound design was good enough to stand up to today's AAA standards. But all of the new in-game cinematic characters are completely lifeless. And the re-made full-detail cinematics were a complete waste of time and budget as the originals were more than good enough.
I am personally enjoying it Nick. I'll stand with you to the end. tbh, i feel like if you're a true fan, just in it for a nostalgia trip, it's an amazing piece of work. However, I also agree, that as far as remakes go, it's not doing much for itself. I'm hoping they add toggleables for the cinematics they showed at blizzcon, voice acting (cuz a lot of people are looking for the old va cast), and models. Straight up improve some animation issues and touch up some models they did make. As far as im concerned gameplay wise however. it's fun, and feels like im going on a trip down memory lane. And, examples of them being diligent here, shortly after people were reporting missing enemy textures, it was patched quickly (probably was an oversight), campaign runs smoothly for me on a laptop so i feel the people who complained about it not working got patched up. The "loser" glitch of losing right after a mission starts in the campaign i havent seen anyone complain about for a long while. so clearly, they are listening, even doing the refunds so you know they're not just in it for a quick buck (least higher up is forcing it if not them themselves) and im sure despite the controversy and refunding, they will continue to update it for the 200 people i always see in the chat when im playing. Blizzard screwed up, screwed themselves to a degree yes, but theyre not completely ignoring what's become/becoming of their public opinion, or of their old masterpiece's good name. Edit: posting again in the actual comments, so those with me can find this easier
so can people _please_ tell me what's WRONG with the visuals in _Reforged?_ I am a definitive Casual at this, and I just played _Warcraft III_ for the first time, ever, last _night._ yeah. and all I can see is that _Reforged_ looks better in every way. but I understand that people _loathe_ the remake, including its graphics. and so, why? it's not what you remember fondly, true. obviously. but how are they worse???
W3 is a rts, and the most important thing in a rts games is the character model to be easily readable. especially during a big fight with larger armies. The Reforged graphics failed that task by a mile away. Most of the units are hard to read or confused with different units.
God i wish someone who's actually interesting in making/playing games would run blizzard.. Now its just a bunch of suits finding ways to juice money as much as possible and give as little as possible for the money.
The main problem in envoriment detail is. They didnt give good lighting and shadow effect. Yes the terrain look detailed than clasic but only if you zoomed it. If it on normal window. It look bland and as if it dint have volume... Also i prefer the old UI when patched. The reforge one is just the copy paste from old one without border ui for widescreen resoluyion
With all the content cut from the original in combination with lackluster graphics updates warcraft 3 reforged is on track to be the fallout 76 of 2020.
Now i know why those unit in reforged looks floating when walking, those new animation has no tempo and way too slow. Blizzard seems like let someone has no experience in RTS design at all to monitor this project
It definitely looks better. Idk why people complaining? It's a reforge, much like a remaster. They keep the art style and only improve textures and models, which makes sense since it's not a total remake of a game, it's just a pack with improvements from the old one. I understand the hate tho, when you already hate something, you'll hate everything.
My 2 cents on this, graphically it looks better but this would've been groundbreaking in the early 2010s but at the same time the original warcraft 3 had an interesting artstyle to it while reforged feels very generic in comparison.
I meant "Frozen Throne" not Two Thrones.*** Got Prince of Persia on the mind :P
While this video details the graphical improvements that have been made - it's important to understand that WarCraft 3 Reforged has suffered a significant Downgrade since it was revealed in 2018. I've mentioned this at the end of the video, but because Blizzard only showed cinematics, i feel it didn't warrant an entire video to cover it. Point is - Blizzard did not deliver the "reforged" experience that we were all expecting. Sure, it looks nicer - but the reversal of Blizzard's policy regarding the ownership of custom games and the requirement to install the extra 30gb of data even if you don't own the Reforged edition seems like a poor choice by the developer.
I personally am enjoying playing through it with the nice visuals - but hardcore fans of Warcraft 3 will likely be disappointed by a number of the changes. What do you guys think? You enjoying Reforged? Or are you refunding it already?
Dat boi Nick.
I enjoy the game either way, but i will be refunding to make a statement until they fix it and hopefully add some QOL improvements.
Did you get your refund?
@@azzasglory Don't think refunding will make a statement. They don't care.
@@bobdole3926 yes
Took 3 days,
But they're doing instant refunds now
blizzard finally updated to 2010 graphics
No, 2010 starcraft 2 looks better.
MykeGaming H. 2008 graphics at best
🤣
@@justiny.1773 Let's meet in the middle and call it 2009 app store free RPG graphics
PAKTRA PRODUCTIONS fair enough garbage either way
Worth $10, maybe. They didn't do enough to warrant the $30 price tag.
Hahah lol, I just say the same thing in my mind when I was seen the price! I can pay 30 for RDR 2 but not for this old game with a HD mode lol XD
@Josh Lee the game isn't worth 30.
@Josh Lee ok chang
@Josh Lee Is that why literally every person that bought this is asking for a refund? lol
@Weghweh Hwewehwhe they are still salty about DotA
Reforged looks like what I remember it looking like 15 years ago.
Is that so? It looks like some unity asset flip.
What did you expect? Starcraft Remastered looks exactly like Brood War. Which I'm sure is what they intended to do with this game.
If you want a game with updated graphics and game play, beg for Warcraft 4.
@@NickyBoomBop Yeah, not like they promised and even showed us updated graphics......and then downgraded them from 2018..
@@Fion355 They never promised a totally revamped graphics overhaul and animations though. Since it's paired with Classic, that's just not possible.
But the graphics in Reforged are better than Classic.
exactly what we looked at with old PC
it's kinda upgrading graphic for higher graphic specs on laptop an PC nowadays
The golden age of Blizzard is finished.
That is a total lie... The Golden Age of Blizzard was over a longggg time ago.
Blizzard's Golden age ended back in 2013
ended in 2008 with starcraft 2....
i've seen many of those comments. look at the players in wow. its more than ever. the newest main town is fuller than i've ever seen. people like u just stopped wow a time ago for private reasons not because of wow
Warcraft: Refunded
Gas Mask Man/Discord Dude Battle net users who asks for refund gets banned
Good one! :D
Already got mine refunded. It was really fast!
Warcrap 3: Refund
good now use that money and go to college you fucking genius
Basically older Warcraft 3 is more vibrant and rich in color compared to reforged.
No they just over saturated the colors since there was less detail in the models. Reforged clearly looks much better.
@@SeanUCF are you kidding lmao. Reforged is not consistent at all, and has completely abandoned the heroic metalhead fantasy look that made Warcraft great.
@@SeanUCF I agree they look far better
@@pringles_mcgee Yeah, they totally took Warcraft in a whole different direction... Did you see the roof tops for some of these buildings in the video? Warcraft was never about that Asian anime vibe...
@@SeanUCF compare aoe2:DE puts reforged to shame
I would have appreciated a Warcraft 4 so much more...
Well this was probably meant to generate hype for a possible Warcraft 4 and they dropped the ball.
A.Z. B. That woulnt go along so well with their WoW $ agenda
@Jacob Wood
They would have to retcon WoW, and as a side bonus that would make all the fans of the RTS series very happy.
You kidding? It would be a disaster.
@@SeanUCF They wouldn't have to. They can just continue from where WoW left off.
Reforged could've came out in 2008
Nope they should have remastered or reboot Warcraft 1 first
@@infestchristopher1457 or they should just not remastered anything at all.
Water effects are a major down grade in the so called "remaster"
compared to the original warcraft 3's water effects, really?
@@devourerofnuggets so you think 2D corpses and fire were soulfull? Jesus....
@@pinterakos3349 You have to play original WC3 to understand.
Those animations were not amazing quality but they, combined with the models which have sort of tabletop minature look, had a cartoonish feel to them.
@@EcchiRevenge I've been playing the original since i was 7 years old. I know what are you talking about, but saying everything was more soulfull 17 years ago with the 2D corpses and without lipsync is just kinda stupid.
@@EcchiRevenge
So, stick with the old ones, no one's forcing you to play remastered ver.
I love how Warcraft III Reforged has a user score of 0.5 on metacritic
First review bomb of 2020 i guess. Certainly doesn't deserve a score that low.
@@Nick930 I disagree, for a company of the size of Blizzard to lie like this and on top of this crap still ruin the old one, i do think they deserve it.
@@sheepfly That "WarZ" game deserved a 0.5. This new Reforged game by itself is completely playable, looks fine and is reasonably priced. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But there's ACTUAL terrible broken fake products out there that genuinely deserve the low score. The size of a development team doesn't matter. Remaster projects regularly are handled by very small teams
@@Nick930 the problem is sure it is a bit better but features have been removed and its far from what was promised by blizzard via the original reveal. You want a real remake look at AOE 2 DE vs the original version. It adds more civs new campaigns new effects textures sounds ai etc updates the Ui slightly. I loved warcraft 3 as a kid and seeing this lackluster remaster is sad.
@@RadioMan8745 Oh i totally agree. Reforged is not as good as it should have been. But 0.5 / 10? Cmon...
They downgraded the classic with latest update
just re-install from disc
@@northwestcoast2220 no u
@@northwestcoast2220 not just the gameplay they also downgraded graphics
@@northwestcoast2220 how old are you?
@@northwestcoast2220 i know right? I understand that reforged fails to deliver some things. Plus the fact they dont give the option to play the classic experience is a pretty crappy thing to do to for the fans. I dont think this remaster deserves all this hate, its mostly the way they updated the old game instead that truly sucks.
5:17 - how is this a graphic improvement.
The new environment textures and the softer lighting just make everything blurred and bland. The original was obviously going for a high contrast, cartoon feel. The old textures somehow manage to pop out more and convey more detail, even though they are much lower resolution. Just compare the dirt floor and gravel in 1:02.
Even the trees are better in the old version. Forget the high-res foliage for a second and consider the tree trunk in 2:32. In the original, the trunk is low resolution, but they sneak in some light/shadow contrast to make it interesting. Now look at the reforged version. It is just a softly lighted, soft shadowed, brown stick, with some extra polygons that do absolutely nothing for it. It is just bland.
One can just put original graphics in resolution/polygons upscaling neural network and get much better results than this "reforged".
The terrain, trees, and water do not look that great in the remaster. Especially when viewed through normal gameplay not zoomed in. Particularly the water actually look worse in some ways.
I also hear that animations were downgraded as units have less animation variety than before.
See how Arthas swing his hammer. Or Jaina not swinging her staff anymore. Damn...
All dragons have a single stand animation lul
3:23 "the world feels more natural!" As the grass is sticking through a solid wood bridge.
thats just one little detail, wait til you see some of the animations
Yes, let's focus on the most insignificant detail ever and ignore the fact that the whole game looks miles better than the blurry shitshow that is Warcraft 3. I don't know what the fuck this fanbase wants, honestly. Prime example of rose tinted glasses in action right here.
@@Legend1315 uma vergonha um FANBOY como você ser do meu país. Para de defender essa merda
@@Legend1315 Everyone who owned Darksiders 1 and 2 got remastered versions for FREE. Everyone who owned original Skyrim, got remaster for FREE. Everyone who owned Warcraft 3 original got kicked in the balls to spit out extra money for downgraded game, but with better textures.
@@Legend1315 That's what I've been saying! Thank god I'm not alone I have no clue what these "fans" are on but this remaster is way better than the old game by far and its only 30$!!!!! They are acting like they dropped 100$ on a deluxe version of a game sorta like mass effect andromeda scandal and it's not even close to that.
2:31 the more detailed character models look ridiculous next to the very cartoonish tower. The overall visual was more consistent in the original W3.
Arthas looks ridiculous. He looks fat. Yeah they used more pixels big woop it's a remake of a 16 year old game that wasn't all that great.
The hd character models are really out of place when you compare it to enviroment.
What is most out of place and really break the visuals in cutscenes is the reflective armor on characters. In the scene you see all models,textures look normal with absolutely no reflection at all, but very few characters pop out in their shiny super polished armor. Really I cant get over this one.. worst offenders are Uther, Arthas and Thrall and his golden shiny wolf. I dont understand how nobody in blizzard saw this. Those models would be really good if they had little less shine and maybe little bit battleworn armor. Btw this shiny reflection always remind me protoss in starcraft BUT its fucking super advanced aliens so I am ok with their super polished shiny look.
I am sure this problem is in game only because it was not made by blizzard and they contracted one studio to make characters, buildings another to make enviroment objects and textures etc.. Then someone at blizzard used these assets from multiple studios and made the game we got.
@@eth_saver I'm pretty sure you're right. That malaysian outsourcing company had each 3D models from the original game separately and they just made it more detailed with higher resolution textures etc... In fact, all those models look pretty decent when you see them individually. It just doesn't work when you put them all together.
Normally, there must be an art director at Blizzard who's in charge of supervising the outsourcing and he's in charge of keeping a visual consistency. If there is one, he did a terrible job.
It looks the same with improved textures.... And even added more textures to various surfaces that were repeated in the original game.
I feel like it doesn’t look as good as it could. Looks like fable 2 or even fable 1
Nah, even Fable 1 or 2 looks better than this.
Exactly it looks definitely better than original but it still feels cheap compared to Blizzard standards they used to have. Character models are fine except for their animation BUT the terrain/environments would need still lot of work and many of the 3D characters portraits also look rather cheap/poor
It looks fine. That's not even the issue.
They lied. They defrauded consumers.
Ive played fable 2 recently, once of my favourite games ever... literally graphics and even sound quality look better than this
Imagine dota2-like graphic
Amazing how they actually made the water look worse
The colors are so terrible in Reforged. It lacks color saturation. Everything looks so faint.
While I do like the new models, this is one thing that keeps bugging me. Unfortunately, this isn't new to Warcraft, WoW started the de-saturation trend because...reasons.
This is a very baffling statement. The grass in reforged for example is neon green already, the only way I can imagine to make it more vibrant would be to give it an eerie uranium glow. The same goes for everything really.
That's because they probably outsourced to Philippines where cheap monitors as well as talent were used. Anyone remembers what happened to Dragonball when it was outsourced to Toei Philippines?
@Wuanslm It looks worse, but it's more to do with the disjointed art style due to lack of effort than color saturation.
@@Servellion Because they followed the fantasy trend started around 2009 or 2010 when dark fantasy became popular and high fantasy was seen as childish. Now we get fantasy games that lack color. All we get are boring browns and greys and a desaturated filter in most fantasy shows and movies. I hate it.
If by modern and excellent look you mean cheap mobile game look done by a different studio you are spot on. They also paywalled some of the existing graphic settings for the classic version. Reforged is horrid.
Blizzard is trying hard to do mobile. They got Diablo mobile just waiting to drop
Lmao that "mobile" look is the same look just upgraded. It is still consistent with the game design. Art resources done by a third-party isn't a novelty either.
you guys do have phones right?
there are many texture bugs in wc3remarster, and to be honest the new art style makes the game look bland, shot in 8:30 imo the old version is far more eye pleasing
agreed
Alex Xu YESS that’s what bothers me. The color pallet makes it too two dimensional. Like a 5 year old drawing a landscape. I mean comon navy blue river really?! 😂
This, 100% this.
agree as well, new version reminds me of mobile games
Reforged looks better in every aspect except water for some reason. I think they just forgot what a waterfall looks like
I think WC3 didn't really need a remaster, its distinctive art style and undisputed charm have always been enough to carry it through time
I personally preferred the aesthetics of the original. They should have kept it looking cartoony rather than go for realism with a cartoony colour pallet. The new one has higher detailed textures but lacks all of the original's charm. It's a shame Blizzard have lost their touch. I hope they keep the hell away from Diablo 2.
There's no such thing as wc3's original 'charm' - it just looks like crap in comparison to what wc3 reforged is supposed to be.
Edit: still wished that wc3 reforged was actually good, aside from the bugs and a lot of features removed from the original game, I'd still wish that the models won't reset their stance after every attack animation.
I prefer heroes of the storm graphics
What are you even talking about? How is warcraft 3 reforged anywhere near realistic? It's still cartoony. I dont think the style is the problem, I think it's just the graphic fidelity is underwhelming for a remaster in 2020.
I agree I hate the "realistic" look they went with in reforged WC had always been over the top cartoony feel to it. It just looks like a generic Chinese or Korean mmo feel to their looks.
@@larrythebomb5001 indeed the realism doesn't go quite well with WoW and keeping it more "cartoony" is better I mean in World of Warcraft nowadays I think you won't find Chromium looking armor ,look at the Stormwind Harbor Guards ( Shadowlands or whatever latest models ) they look like decent footman for the reforged version
Newer graphics is not always a better graphics, while the textures and models have improved in resolution and details they do not look better and mostly they do not feel like they belong/fit to this game. For RTS games high end graphics and very high texture detail does not necessarily improve the gameplay as some might think. Whole view is displayed from considerable height and you don't need super graphics for game to look good.
true
I heard that Warcraft 3 Classic had certain graphical features blocked behind the Reforged toggle to give the new version an artificial edge in the visual department- notably, the option for shadows (that's been a thing for 15 years) now can only be turned on by buying Reforged. If you're comparing between the two versions of Warcraft 3 from the client, I'd be curious to see a comparison to an original pre-patch copy to see if this is true.
Warcraft and age of empire were my childhoold , now im 22 but im nostalgic af
3:46 So, how many peasants do you wanna collect gold from this mine?
Nick930: Yes
Sir - i haven't played warcraft since Warcraft 2. I'm going to work as many of those peasants as I can
@@Nick930 Only 5 per mine ^^
It actually looks worse. Less depth. Less magic. How is that possible.
This game looks so flat I can’t even. I prefer the og graphics tho.
Everything has a tad bit of Asian too... Have you seen the roof of the townhall? The roof of the Barracks looks even worse than that too... Very oriental like. It's what happens when you allow an Asian dev company to "reforge" reforge.
Now THIS is actually nostalgia.
had this remaster been from 2010 i might have been impressed
the main problem of reforged was that . they promised allot more then they delivred .
I don't know why, but I like the look of old characters more than of modern ones.
I think the higher-poly characters give a slight uncanny valley effect, especially with the animations.
From what I can tell. the 'classic' mode from reforged is NOT the same as the real 2002 classic, has something to do with the engine. I was hoping to see the comparison between the real old and new. E.g. the unit shadows ARE supposed to be there, and they can clearly be seen in the old classic, but they are gone in reforged classic. The problem with all those new details is that they can only be seen in cut-scenes, the 'realistic' grass looks like crap from the basic gameplay angle (view from the top). The detailed units also look less distinct, which is a death crime for a RTS
Man they really messed up the “Bob’s Guns” sign...
Indeed... refunded
Nick930 honestly? And I’m not trying to be funny here...I feel the reinterpretation of that sign was way off and is reflective with how out of sync Blizzard is all across this remaster.
..wait you're serious? I think the original sign in that example looks ridiculous. Its much better the way it is now.
Nick930 I know and it’s a bit fourth wall breaking but that’s something I appreciate with older Blizzard games; genuine fun (sometimes out of place) flourishes that showed playfulness, that there was warmth and charm and the developers personality in the product. It was also nice that fun out of place things like this could be okay because older Blizzard games seemed to be able to coalesce into something that transcended individual parts that would stick out and detract from lesser games. It also never felt egotistical, pandering (so hard to not make a pun then), or too self aware. Was just genuine fun.
@@Fuuntag Fair. I don't feel as though the new version is really avoiding that "charm" though. It still feels fairly playful in its art direction, with rounded edges and exaggerated features.
Honestly.. I prefer the design of Warcraft 2. It started to look silly by Warcraft 3.
You mean Warcraft 3 Refund?
Just waiting for the sale time, won't be long
guess i'll have to wait for Wacraft 3: Re-reforged
Or let's hope a update that makes everything right
Hogoku TH-cam get real, the day that happens is the day activision cuts ties with blizzard (never)
I still think original is cooler. All of their games look wierd now. Wonder if it's cuz of Activision butting in.
Imagine a Blizzard without its artists-- they are basicly the only people at Blizzard who deliver, those artists who create the music and characters.
Look at those ugly and flat neon green grass from Reforged compared to classic.
yes
It's so fucking weird. It manages to look like a mobile game.
Fans begged for it
Um your joking when you say the grass looks flat right? He showed you how the grass moves with a unit in this video, it doesn't look flat, the original version was flat
@@RINJ0ker Yes it may look good when zoomed in, but when you play the game in top down view the new grass does look flat. The problem is that each of the 3D grass blades fail to stand out from the rest of the terrain, either due to the lack of lighting or shadow. The colors of the grass also blend in too much to the rest of the tileset color palette. Compared to classic, while it did not implement any foliage , it shows a sense of layer and transitions very well into a different tileset.
source: old school wc3 player and a side artist
This was a wonderful review that stuck to facts! I enjoyed the pace of the video and your quality and video edit. This was very satisfying and answered my questions about the Remaster.
Thank you!
Everything about the classic looked better. The cartoony, blocky and starkness was stylish. The new stuff is overkill, generic and lacks the laid back, humorous signature of the original.
and don't even get me started to what they did to the core elements of the game.
Sure the reworked game looks a lot more realistic, but Blizzard was never going for realism when they created Warcraft 3. It's nice of them to have gone into the files and swapped them with new hyper-realistic models but whats the point when 95% of the game is viewed from an aerial angle - I feel like the new models lost that "Warcraft" charm, they're very generic... look at the night elf wisp or the dryad for example. The UI is literally the same, gameplay elements like only being able to select 12 units maximum still stuck in 2002. If they wanted to keep the game as close to the original so both classic and reforged players could compete in multiplayer why did they remove so many multiplayer elements (ladder, clans, profiles)? Sad to say but the whole thing looks rushed and a cash grab, which is unfortunate as this was probably the highlight of Blizzcon 2018 announcements for a lot of people. They had one chance to improve the game and they blew it.
This entire company must be purged.
Blizzard Activision yes but not blizzard entertainment
Even uther is onboard with this
Terrain looks flat/bland, walking animation looks strange ....... only the characters models are better than the original ....
‘More advanced animation work’
Shows classic character animating while Reforged doesn’t
8:29 WTF original looks better
Firstly its because the cartoonish style. Then theres the coloring. Also no one mentiones how light the old version feels when you play it. Animations are waaaay beter in the old version
Something I don't like about modern RTS games is how the sprites seem to flow or glide over the ground, whereas older RTS's had a more believable walk or run. Really puts me off playing these things as pretty much all new games do that.... Could have used some hit detection to make it more fun too like Diablo 2
5:17 Classic ALL DAY
They forget one thing, the footwork and movement of the units 😞. The classic is more realistic than reforged who's units is like sliding instead of running 👎.
Why would one need an "excuse" to revisit WC3? The old one was available up until reforged.
_"They're the same picture."_
-Amy
I was happy to see an update at all. Im not a WoW fan so it was awesome to see some love shown to this game I loved. They could have done better, but I am happy to play Story Mode again
Me too, the game i really loved was warcraft 3, never showed much interest in WoW
The original looks way better specifically the character models. The new ones look just bad even if it has way better resolutions
Fallout 76: Has lowest score on Metacritic
Warcraft 3 Reforged: Hold my beer!
lol meanwhile, Bethesda released a trailer for Fallout76 dlc that has NPCs that everyone wanted. Coincidence?
@@Nick930 Wastelanders is gonna come with the Steam release as far as I know
Ido if is true but if it is...
Bethesda would have a chance to reedem his actual reputation
Old version vs New version(Reforged) of WC3
Graphics: New Version(Reforged)
Gameplay: Old Version(which is spells are still old from New Version.)
Cinematics battle from Undead final scenes(Arthas vs Illidan): Old Version.
Script speed: Old Version(New version mouth moves are perfectly great. But, some dialogues are just stopped with their speaking of mouth moves. And next scenes are kinda slow....)
Game Characters: Reforged
Music: Both
Calling their names on chapter scripts: Old Version.(Ex: Old version - Grom, You've got to come with me. and Grom?)
(New version changed into Hellscream as a last name instead of first name.)
And that's my reviews.
It's weird, when you zoom in and examine the models, the Reforged ones are clearly much better and more detailed. But when you're zoomed out just normally playing the game, it doesn't feel any different.
Exactly how I feel. It's like let us play in third person like WoW. Then me might have to something lol.
The muted colors of Reforged make it look dull when compared to the original. The old game felt much more alive, it felt like it had more detail than the new edition where there's almost no contrast. OG wins this.
The new spell effects are WORSE too....honestly wish they would just touched upon the doodad trees and character models ONLY and blew them up to better WoW like scale. Nothing else needed an overall Especially not the UI.
A prime example of bad product-/project management.
Sad that it came to this.
This has so much potential, if Blizzard sticks with their promise it could have been a Reforged not a Remastered
uhm the expansion is called frozen throne.. not two thrones ✌️😅
Yup.. noticed this afterwards. I just want a new Prince of persia so bad...
@@Nick930 I feel you man 😁
@@Nick930 YES PLS
And then the THIRD expansion, The Return of the Prince. I liked it better than the first expansion, Fellowship of the Hammer.
@@Nick930 Same mate , the original trilogy was legendary. At least a remaster of Warrior Within would be greatly appreciated. Ubisoft Montreal should really pick development on PoP back up , since Assassin's Creed's already kinda gotten oversaturated....
8:28 well, to me the left one looks more natural
Just look at Divinity: Original Sin II (2017).
That's the graphic Warcraft 3 remaster deserves.
I prefer, and always will prefer classic
same
*It's not a bad game...* they put nice details on it, *BUT* that is useless if the connection fails frequently..., creative freedoms are restricted, and you have to meet many requirements to be able to play (to be able to play a game with common graphics for the times in which we are)
*If we leave all that stuff out Reforged is a casual game that all wc3 fans would play normally.*
it does look better thats clear to see, not $30 better though, maybe $10-$15 ...
so its over priced. I will wait for it to go on sale.
This is best WC3 comparison video I have seen on TH-cam! Thank you! Liked and subscribed!
for the price of 29.99 and all this waiting. i expected more.
You just didn't expected more, they sold you more.
it's only 29.99 you cheap bastard
I think the sound is a little disappointing but I'll be buying it for sure. Will we be getting the Frozen Throne at some point too? That would be awesome.
look like for the sound effect they copy and paste it from the old game. I guess the only good thing about this remake is the graphic, i dont know about the content from Reforge compare to the original Warcraft since im not gonna buy this remake
The sound is just uncompressed, but thats about it.
That’s fine. They don’t need to redo the sounds
you can't really improve the sound effects.
They did do new sound effects for the death sounds when you kill units in the game
Apparrently there are many missing animations.
The individual visual elements are pretty good, but the overall style doesn't really age well... also, I don't think they redid the sounds at all, just adjusted the volume and cleaned it up a bit.
There was more love put into starcraft remastered than this
No mans sky (2016): Finally a worthy competitor, our battle will be legendary
Warcraft III Reforged: *Laughs in Blizzard*
Fallout 76: excuse me?
Anthem: am i a joke to u? ಥ_ಥ
Am "No Man Sky " is a perfectly good game now with all the updates that have been happening last year and this one
@radafus link at least watch dogs have better physics and lighting than reforged.. also, you can enable the E3 graphics using mods..
people disliking this because of the game? please rate this video based on how it was presented and the uploader's effort.
Old warcraft makes the scenery look like a real war area.
Warcraft III classic within reformed is not the same as Warcraft III classic. They've removed shadows among other changes. I'm not a player, but I've been watching the debacle with great interest.
1 detail in the first mission with the bandits. When you encounter them stealing the ledger you could surround the leader, prevent him from running and kill him quite easily. In reforged he is invulnerable and cannot be attacked until he reaches his camp. Really made speed runs a lot longer.
There is definitively a graphical improvement but I feel like they could do more. The last time I played WC3 I was 16 years ago (!) so I will probably buy it anyway.
The point is that they simply remade the visual effect, instead of updating the whole landscape and the whole background is totally outdated.
Hundreds of development, zero innovation.
It would have been sick if Blizzard outsourced Reforged to Valve and used Source Dota graphics. Ooohh just imagine...now that's worth $30
It's look like remake 2 years after game WC3
The in-game models have a few thousand times as many polygons, but that's where the advancements end. The sound design is nearly identical to the original, which is good because the original's sound design was good enough to stand up to today's AAA standards. But all of the new in-game cinematic characters are completely lifeless. And the re-made full-detail cinematics were a complete waste of time and budget as the originals were more than good enough.
I am personally enjoying it Nick. I'll stand with you to the end. tbh, i feel like if you're a true fan, just in it for a nostalgia trip, it's an amazing piece of work. However, I also agree, that as far as remakes go, it's not doing much for itself. I'm hoping they add toggleables for the cinematics they showed at blizzcon, voice acting (cuz a lot of people are looking for the old va cast), and models. Straight up improve some animation issues and touch up some models they did make. As far as im concerned gameplay wise however. it's fun, and feels like im going on a trip down memory lane. And, examples of them being diligent here, shortly after people were reporting missing enemy textures, it was patched quickly (probably was an oversight), campaign runs smoothly for me on a laptop so i feel the people who complained about it not working got patched up. The "loser" glitch of losing right after a mission starts in the campaign i havent seen anyone complain about for a long while. so clearly, they are listening, even doing the refunds so you know they're not just in it for a quick buck (least higher up is forcing it if not them themselves) and im sure despite the controversy and refunding, they will continue to update it for the 200 people i always see in the chat when im playing. Blizzard screwed up, screwed themselves to a degree yes, but theyre not completely ignoring what's become/becoming of their public opinion, or of their old masterpiece's good name.
Edit: posting again in the actual comments, so those with me can find this easier
so can people _please_ tell me what's WRONG with the visuals in _Reforged?_
I am a definitive Casual at this, and I just played _Warcraft III_ for the first time, ever, last _night._ yeah. and all I can see is that _Reforged_ looks better in every way. but I understand that people _loathe_ the remake, including its graphics. and so, why? it's not what you remember fondly, true. obviously.
but how are they worse???
Just look at 8:27 and tell me the environment looks better in reforged?
W3 is a rts, and the most important thing in a rts games is the character model to be easily readable.
especially during a big fight with larger armies.
The Reforged graphics failed that task by a mile away.
Most of the units are hard to read or confused with different units.
Uhm. Guess I'm a Blizzard Fan Girl because I like it 🤔🤔
But it wasnt what was promised
"Along with an expansion pack, Two Thrones, that was released a year later". Stopped watching at this point.
God i wish someone who's actually interesting in making/playing games would run blizzard..
Now its just a bunch of suits finding ways to juice money as much as possible and give as little as possible for the money.
The main problem in envoriment detail is. They didnt give good lighting and shadow effect. Yes the terrain look detailed than clasic but only if you zoomed it. If it on normal window. It look bland and as if it dint have volume...
Also i prefer the old UI when patched. The reforge one is just the copy paste from old one without border ui for widescreen resoluyion
With all the content cut from the original in combination with lackluster graphics updates warcraft 3 reforged is on track to be the fallout 76 of 2020.
The sound mixing though "foul, KNAVE"
Looks amazing- cannot wait to play it again!
never forget the original warcraft 3
Now i know why those unit in reforged looks floating when walking, those new animation has no tempo and way too slow. Blizzard seems like let someone has no experience in RTS design at all to monitor this project
honestly: i love the comic look of the old graphic style
how come the gameplay showed in 2018 looked absolutely amazing and now 2 years later, it looks like hot garbage?
The gameplay showed in 2018 looked like hot garbage as well.
Pretty sure they used in 2018 the Starcraft 2 game engine and now the old W3
It looks pretty damn nice.
2:52 oh those were supposed to be stairs
It definitely looks better. Idk why people complaining? It's a reforge, much like a remaster. They keep the art style and only improve textures and models, which makes sense since it's not a total remake of a game, it's just a pack with improvements from the old one. I understand the hate tho, when you already hate something, you'll hate everything.
Blizzard, Bethesda and EA are the biggest cancer in gaming industry.
Why you sound like they have never made good games
And Ubisoft
Sorry but I have to disagree about bethesda. Skyrim is a success tho.
@@agustintanjaya4303 Elder scrolls is pure garbage. came out with 90's tier graphics but their loyal fanbase are too blind to see.
@@Thedeathofpeaceofmind They did make good games, but the way they are treating their fans now is absolutely despicable.
My 2 cents on this, graphically it looks better but this would've been groundbreaking in the early 2010s but at the same time the original warcraft 3 had an interesting artstyle to it while reforged feels very generic in comparison.
The new models and animations may be more "advanced", but the old ones looked just so much better.
Hey Guys! Are the major differences on visual terms? Why are so people complaining about?
- Reforged (2020) : New but Worst
- Classic (2003) : Old but Spectacular
So this just have a little bit change not too a many