REBUTTING a Pro-Gay Documentary About the Bible
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this episode Trent refutes the claims in the new documentary “1946” that scripture doesn’t condemn homosexual relationships.
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00:00 1946 Background
01:59 Who Cares?
04:10 But Times Have Changed...
08:26 Problematic Footnotes
09:20 St Paul's Word Choice
10:44 What About Lesbianism?
13:15 Roman Excess
16:11 Comparison of Extremes
17:06 Revisionism - บันเทิง
Such a weird idea that despite having church traditions going back to the first century supposedly no one understood the meaning of words in the bible until some weirdo misinterpreted them fifteen minutes ago.
Just like 1st & 2nd century church fathers understood that slavery was deemed moral, but now some weirdo fifteen minutes ago just tried to misinterpret them.
@@thedude0000 I’m having trouble finding writings that mention that (closest I’m finding is a letter from Ignatius saying that slaves priority should be glorifying God rather than their own freedom), would you mind pointing me to the writings you’re talking about, I’d love to look more into it, Thanks!
@@thedude0000"While the Christian Empire did not immediately outlaw slavery, some Church fathers (such as Gregory of Nyssa and John Chrysostom) strongly denounced it. But then, the state often failed to enact a just social order in accord with Church teachings.
Some early Christians liberated their slaves, while some churches redeemed slaves using the congregation's common means.
Some Christians sold themselves into slavery to emancipate others.
Even where slavery was not fully repudiated, slaves and free men had equal access to the sacraments. Many clerics were from slave backgrounds, including popes. This implied a fundamental equality incompatible with slavery."
Source: Brumley, Mark. "Let My People Go: The Catholic Church and Slavery"
@@thing6006 Given the fact that the early church fathers owned slaves, the Catholic Church condoned the Venice Slave Trade, Pope Nicolas wrote papal bulls in 1453-55 that allowed Portugal to start the *Atlantic Slave Trade* and just one more for spice, the Jesuits sold slaves in the mid 1800s to finance Georgetown University.
There's over 1900+ years of ACTIONS by christians and the catholic church to demonstrate this.
@@redsoup2584 Given the fact that the early church fathers owned slaves, the Catholic Church condoned the Venice Slave Trade, Pope Nicolas wrote papal bulls in 1453-55 that allowed Portugal to start the *Atlantic Slave Trade* and just one more for spice, the Jesuits sold slaves in the mid 1800s to finance Georgetown University.
There's over 1900+ years of ACTIONS by christians and the catholic church to demonstrate this.
Rainbow people: "The words 'malakoi' and 'arsenokoitai' don't mean sexual acts!"
Also rainbow people: "If two historical male figures are described as 'friends' that means they were a couple."
It's never about truth, it's always about domination.
They don't care about what's true, they only care about justifications for their degeneracy
That second thing you bring up just infuriates me. They'll find the slightest hints that two men (or women) knew each other and, say, enjoyed being together, and interpret this as the irrefutable, definite proof that they were gay.
"Say, there are these two guys..."
"Two guys? Together? Then they must be gay!"
Such flawless logic...
@@user-et8vm9cc3t omg dont even start with it. and their constant saying. greeks were gay or roman or celts. it just makes me sick xd.
Rainbow """people"""
Even if the Bible had never explicitly condemned the exact word homosexual, sex outside marriage is sinful. Since marriage is between a man and a woman, that would make homosexual relations outside marriage therefore imoral
@@jeremyjonesoneDo you have evidence for that?
@@jeremyjonesone
That is untrue. We have data from the 1st century where folks started going to the Bishop for marriage blessings involving the church. This was discussed by St. Ignatius of Antioch.
Ignatius of Antioch (around the year 107 A.D.) invited Christians to marry “with the approval of the bishop, that their marriage may be according to God, and not after their own lust.” (Letter to Polycarp 5,6)
@@jeremyjonesone Marriage is mentioned many times in the bible. It was never the mere getting together of people and just hanging out to have sex. The argument can't even be used that Jesus never mentioned it, because he did explicit bring it up to the Samaritan woman at the well. He said she had had 5 husbands, and who she lived w/ now wasn't her husband. He also raised it w/ the woman taken in adultery. If marriage didn't exist, she wouldn't have been caught in adultery. There is formal marriage mentioned all over the bible. When Mary conceived Jesus of the Holy Spirit, she was betrothed to Joseph, but not yet married. There is also the miracle of turning water into wine, at the wedding feast. There's a celebration of actual marriage.
@@jeremyjonesone source: trust me bro
@@jeremyjonesoneYou pulled that right out of your ass.
I'm a protestant and I approve this message.
God bless you
I'm also a Protestant and approve this message. Trent Horn is one of my favorite Catholic theologians.
@@Aaryq same. One of my favorite "Christian" apologists even. I appreciate him.
based. I am a fellow protestant and I love my catholic brothers and sisters.
He's almost dragged me across the Tiber at least twice so far lol@@joshdb142
Thank you, Trent! As a Catholic who has SSA and has lived a homosexual lifestyle my entire life… I am so grateful that God sent me to a parish with good priests who taught me the true teachings on this topic of the Catholic Church. Since my conversion to the faith, God has given me an incredible amount of graces to be able to not only see the truth of this, but to understand why I was so blind to it for so long. I obviously live a chaste life now. I’ve never felt more whole as a person since God showed me who he really was and since my surrendering of my own will. I really appreciate your voice on this. Always love hearing your takes! I learn a lot from you.
🤍 God bless you
And keep you.
at least you can say that after you lived options. everyone needs warmth, i understand that, but it doesnt mean being gay and living as a gay is wrong, that is religious dogma nothing to do with true law and it sent a lot of gaykids into true hell in this life.
So your God made you the way you are just to fuck with you?
I hope for you that find a loving same sex partner and dont start to life a lie about yourself for a subjective man made religion and moral.
Trent’s response (2:01) to the appearance of “homosexuality in the Bible” is so anticlimactic.
“Who cares?” -Trent Horn
he's so real for that
I love Trent for those responses. The flippancy highlights how ridiculous the entire notion is.
I laughed out loud(so funny I couldn't use just lol)
lol!😂
A certain conservative neologism would be a bit more accurate: men who have sex with men.
It would get straight to the point.
Homosexual is a word tinted with rosy, comforting meanings among its advocates. Men who have sex with men gets right to the problem with their thought process.
Shouldn't the fact that none of the early Church seems to think that this modern interpretation is correct, shouldn't it be obvious how this was interpreted?
You’d think so. -Kyle
Well, Trent believes in the bodily assumption of Mary, which is also not believed by anyone in the early church.
@@noobitronius Ow yes Martin Luther was there. As was the entire Protestant Church with it's million sub branches.
@@noobitroniusThen you have absolutely no Idea about what the early church believed. They were in an even greater position to believe that since they couldn't claim her relics and some years before, her son went up aswell.
@@noel_112 Noel, the only early, pre-gnostic church fathers that write on Mary's end all explicitly say or imply that she died/was buried.
“The mistranslation that shifted culture.” Yes, because between 33AD and 1946, the culture was more Pro-LGBT compared to 1946-present 😂
It's not about truth, it's about power.
There's no negotiating with these people.
They think that culture is theirs to shape and hate the way we have always thought since Christ.
@marvalice3455 You are exactly correct. Marxists will do what Marxists do-base their entire worldview on power structures. In their view, “the ends justify the means”, so it doesn’t matter if they have to bend the truth to their will…the perceived benefit of doing so justifies the dishonesty necessary to achieve it. It is sickening and evil. Truly, the work of the devil.
@@ChrisSizzly
lets analyse the lies which are world wide believed:
lie: schools are of use (fact. schools keep slavery alive and stands for dumbing down the population of mankind)
lie: moon and mars landings, (fact: even masons know they cannot leave - earth is closed system, unless you want to drown, there is no other place created for us to live in.)
lie: news channels share truth (fact: these are for politic propaganda)
lie: voting matters (fact: politic propaganda)
lie: money has a value of its own (fact: it is just a tool of this world, which value has been agreed upon world wide, it should be not loved, only used as needed.)
lie: NASA lies (globe and all....) (fact: NASA stands for TO DECEIVE and 2 members expose their own lies, one is still alive, the other (Wernher Von Braun) place a clear clue on his own gravestone) - you havn´t searched - have you?
lie: the lgbtq++++ propaganda (fact: it is a part of masonry depopulation agenda, 500 000 000 souls, thats their goal - Georgia Guidestones!)
lie: Evolution and the dinosaurs. (fact: mankind is not hybrid kind)
to keep stating that there was an evolution, then we ain´t humans, we aint then mankind, we are then hybrids. Are you a hybrid?
Lie: holidays (xmas, Halloween, new year eve and so on) (fact: PAGAN HOLIDAYS, to praise BAAL, the god of this world)
lie: U.F.Os (fact: they are demons/evil spirits in high places, against whom we fight daily = spiritual warfare)
lie: rules and laws rule the world (fact: signs and symbols of masonry do)
lie: believe in being educated (fact: found daily living with the lack of knowledge)
lie: religions are ways to heaven (fact: JESUS CHRIST is only way to heaven. Religions, no matter its name = masonic garbage)
lie: our dead loved ones stay around to “ghost” (fact: hunting and ghosting is job of demons, not of humans. We, humans, come from GOD and return back to HIM and all the stories of having been seen a ghost - terrifying, scary, dark, cold - again no job of analysing been done here by you- right?)
Lie: Humans have no immune system and we need vaccines as these save lives (fact: humans HAVE IMMUNE SYSTEM and vaccines are created for one or two purpose: to kill or to cripple. If you took all their poison shots then later in life comes all kinds of medical diagnoses = vaccines crippled you - remember that)
lie: there is no GOD (fact: There is GOD, who redeems sinners and created us directly from the dust of the earth: Psalms 139:14 (KJV)
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.)
to keep claiming that there is no GOD and we aint created directly from the dust of the earth, we soon run out logic, regardless to we place “evolution” in our claims or not and our dead, whats happening to them as they sleep in their graves? - they decay away, becoming the dust form which they were taken, if it ain`t so then we are simply reality deniers.
lie: 911 was terror attack (fact: 911 was an inside job, meaning the work of your loved government)
lie: Tv watching is of use (fact: television (TV) = tell a lie vision, a weapon for our minds, keeping it under MK ULTRA)
half lie/half truth: earth is a stage where everyone plays rolls (fact: earth is stage, a freemasonry checkerboard, where both side, black and white are masons and humans both in politics and regular souls = the naive public gets daily played)
lie: children are government to raise (fact: children are parents to raise, it takes 2 to make them, it takes 2 to raise them).
Lie: we live already in the matrix (fact: we live since birth in BABYLON which is to become “matrix” as Man - us, must merge with machine aka take the mark of the beast and then matrix aka false reality becomes to be 100%)
lie: humans are not intelligent enough (fact: it is forgotten fact, we all are intelligent, many have suffered the illness from this world, being indoctrinated by masons, cause who give us the school system which we have? masons did, because they need slaves.
Lie: love is low standers and = lust (fact love is high standard as love means>
John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Lie> do what thy wilt there is no body who has the right to judge you (fact> GOD SHALL JUDGE YOU AFTER YOU HAVE DEPARTED ON EARTH and Christians are also called to give out righteous judgment, therefore repent * born again * go and sin no more)
23 lies, should i go on?
This world ain´t deceived, out there to deceive?
@@marvalice3455 never given an inch from the Truth, or else you get the modern day and beyond..
I believe the translation from Hebrew reads, “To bed a man as you would a woman.” The Bible says numerous times that it is detestable to do so. It’s pretty clear.
the bible says that about many things, why be selective, the whole point of the bible is to hide the truth while inspiring its growth (thats why jesus in the gospel used parable), a humble heart will try to defend weak groups of people.
yeah the Hebrew translated to English means man, but people use newer translations that say "boy" instead to say that the Bible only condems pedophilia, not homosexuality
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But why no mention of lesbianism?
@@carolinpurayidom4570 the audience of the Jewish context were men, and the rest can be inferred by common sense.
I am a Christian who is gay or same sex attracted but I believe in the traditional sexual ethic and believe homosexual sex to be sin. This position is known as being "Side B" and thus I pursue celibacy. Thank you for this video! Its frustrating for me to see people leaving the community of likeminded folks because they do all these mental gymnastics to justify gay sex as permissible. But really the main reason they do is 1 they just want to justify gay sex. And 2, they were hurt by their church communities over their sexuality which while it has merit they just use it as a crutch to justify their behavior.
poor you, so prisoned into what religion preaches, i was raised very religious and gay too, and its not easy to escape dogma and keep the love for god, god loves you whatever religion says and whatever it doesnt understand about the text it claims to defend. people do many things to be socially accepted, we need the love of people, and its our strength and our weakness.
@@willemvo7296 You can condescendingly taunt all you want, I really don't care. Besides, even though I am completely attracted to the same sex I'm actually on the asexual spectrum too and never desired gay sex. So celibacy is pretty easy for me.
@@willemvo7296 heresy. Repent for your abomination of a sin
im not native english and im autistic (no sugar) , its not meant condescendingly.... asexual is another subject, it doesnt say anything about that gay topic, so you have a way to not be occupied by it for now, which is not possible for everyone. it doesnt clear the issue, it just makes it possible to avoid the issue. but the spirit of god guides us through the dark, it never said it will not send us through difficult times, times that bring fog about what god intents @@spinlok3943
You're stronger than me, I still engage in and struggle against all kinds of sexual immorality without same sex attraction being a major problem for me. I should take a page from your book, bless you.
The lengths people go to want to sin is endless
Glass half full: they still desire God’s blessing. -Kyle
Yep my catechist use to say. Man's justification for sin is a endless one.
@@TheCounselofTrent Hi Trent, many will desire that blessing to help them stop sinning though? Of course many will not, the same as any other sinner. I don't see any issue with Fidducia Supplicans however I do see the rarity of the instances where it can be properly applied
@@observingyt6159Exactly. But the problem is that fiducia suplicans doesnt outright say "same sex couples should only be blessed if it explicitly is to give them the grace to abandon romance, cohabitation and sexual contact".
But no, more abusable terms are used, like "grow in fidelity to the gospel", "healed by the presence of the Holy Spirit" and "free of their imperfections and frailties". This doesn't *force* the ones repeating it to say with *all the words* "i disagree with obstinate gay couples being blessed". This doesn't outright force the priest who gives the blessing to explicitly say "may God give you the grace to end all romance, cohabitation and sexual contact"
If this ambiguity didnt exist none of this would have happened, same with the amoris laetitia fiasco. Or a certain thing teached for centuries actually being "in itself, contrary to the Gospel". Or hoping Jesus was wrong about something. This pontificate has a bad habit of being ambiguous in the Magisterium and even more so in informal speeches, a huge contrast with many other pontificates.
@@observingyt6159 Saint Augustin at his "Faith and Works" write talks about leaders having issues about baptizing people that still wanted to be adulterous and with idolatry, still saying "i have Jesus as may savior, baptize me in no time". But that's the point of the cathecumenate, to give instructions to sin no more and to abaddon their vices. The bless wouldnt help those that still have a feet in the "old man" life style and willing to sin again mortal sins.
Hi to whoever’s reading this I’m fourteen and a catechumen in the Catholic Church with atheist parents, please pray for me as I finish my 2 year conversion this Easter Vigil! But please also pray for my parents that they return to Christs true church I even have a testimony, I wanted to become Jewish about 16 months into my conversion and I almost went through with it but every time I stepped into the synagogue I felt the urge to pray the Jesus Prayer, than I started getting dreams of the church and I knew I had to return, I went to my RCIC director but because I missed 3 lessons I would have to wait until 2025 (that’s not happening anymore) but with the help of the grace of God I got approved to be received this Easter Vigil and I’m so excited, Glory to God!!!
Prayers
As a Protestant you have my prayers in your pursuit of the truth
@@Fish_tank75 thank you 😊
Try sola scriptura. People need to use the relevant texts to back their explicit arguments.
Easter is the pagan festival celebrating the Anglo-Saxon spring Goddess Eostre or Ostara. Christians should not celebrate Easter in the same way they should not celebrate Christmas.
They twist God's word as it suits them.
Unfortunately a habit taught to them by the current pope
Fortunately, it’s not bad to reimagine your imaginary friend.
homophobics have done this better than anyone
@@michaels7325 no by satan to his homophobic mates
@@michaels7325 Evidence?
As a catholic for 9 years to present: I struggle with same sex attraction but never act on it because it’s against my catholic faith, God called me to live a chaste life.
he prob didnt, the church cultural frame did although maybe god lets you(for a while) be stuck in that frame for other reasons then your own. Im gay raised in very evangelical home once,i was very afraid of god, very much so., but i survived and i found a way not to loose god, god doesnt need religious cultural dogma to be our golden calve, he needs us to care about each other, thats really it. that is the gospel and the torah.
God bless ,Kim. Zimber on TH-cam has SsA but is celibate and has good info to research an support
Stay strong!
I hope for you that you find one day a loving same-sex partner, marry him and maybe raise kids with him.
@@willemvo7296you lose god every time you enter through the exit
Can we just point out that there are parts of the Church that have been continuously Greek-speaking the entire time who have maintained this teaching? We don't have to debate this-we know this. Why are these anti-Christian people trying to pretend that Greek-speaking Christians don't exist? As a Greek-speaking Christian, this whole discussion is so bizarre to me. Thanks for the reasonable take, Trent.
I think their reductive reasoning is your Greek is different than Koine Greek, which is at best condescending and at worse intellectually dishonest.
"...nor tops nor bottoms..." There's an admittedly tongue in cheek but accurate translation for modern readers.
Interestingly tops weren’t considered gay in Rome.
I think the use of the phrase "tongue in cheek" was also tongue in cheek.
the sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Edit: Thank you Trent. You are a big inspiration for me and the grace with which you practice your craft is incredible
and all the others too, including the "French" Revolution ...
Indeed- what used to be forbidden pleasures, tinged with refinement, have become vulgar and common; everybody's at them.
@@jamesupton4996 and these same people will claim they are respecting the human body, the human person, and their own being.
The Enlightenment was a disaster for religion...
@@definitelynotsarcasm Steady on now - too much of such propriety will only dull a deviant pleasure, remove all the fun.
I love it when people say that Jesus didn't condemn homosexuality. He didn't need to. He simply and clearly defined what marriage is and that was enough. There are many things Jesus didn't specifically condemn doesn't mean that He was cool with them.
Jesus didn’t condemn rape, either, or bestiality, or abortion, but we know He would have, being an observant Jew. Just because He didn’t mention it specifically (that we know of) doesn’t mean it was approved.
I think people forget that Jesus did not waste his limited time on earth saying self evident things. He didnt need to go around talking about things that everyone around him already understood and agreed with.
Yes, and also to make things even more clear some of the disciples like Paul had to say that yes homosexuality is condemned.
@@pattid8729 exactly, imagine if a murder said "jesus never said anything about not wearing my victim's skin, so its cool". It would be utter nonsense.
Some people have a tendency to emphasize Jesus as a mere moral teacher - and omit that he is primarily the Saviour.
But in John 14:24-26 and 16:12-13, Jesus himself makes it clear that he did not come here to teach. Of course, what he did say during his ministry is Word of God, but he states clearly that what he says is not the whole thing, and Holy Spirit shall come after him to teach us.
So yeah, I don't find it worthwhile to dig into what he _didn't_ say.
“If a man lies with a man, as with a woman, it is an abomination” seems pretty clear to me, and doesn’t require the word “homosexual”
I like how you did not finish the quote.
Wouldn't change the meaning.
They changed lyings of to as with, which is not technically incorrect but very misleading.
yup, but they don't let truth get in their way it seems...the truth is inconvenient to them.
@@Quint-ib4nfthe next part says the same thing about women.
"If your standard for interpreting Biblical interpretation is "it can't be right if it makes me uncomfortable then you are not interpreting the Word of God, you are attempting to re-write it."
This is not a position anyone should want to be in.
Hey Trent, I just want you to know you're the best and a huge inspiration.
No you. -Kyle
Agreed!!
@@TheCounselofTrent im sorry but who is kyle?
@@carterluther7725 kyle is person who like manages comments and stuff for trent's channel. He's like trent's assistant. A great guy.
@@whitevortex8323 ah ok, hi kyle.
Moral of the story? Just because a word didn't exist beforehand, doesn't mean the concept didn't. The word "homosexual" was new in the 20th century, but the concept of it has existed for thousands of years, and the greek word Paul uses was the contemporary word that refered to homoseuxuals.
Wrote this comment before watching further than about a minute into the video, I'm sure he mentions this.
@@nisonatic That, yeah.
The Church and her teachings existed centuries before the English language.
Well said!
Then why do ancient writers complain about men committing it with their wives?
@@crystalvulpine2314 because sodomy can be done with women. Sodomy is anal and oral sex, not homosexuality. It's just that gay men have to do it if they want to have sex, so sodomy got associated with homosexuality.
Another thing about lesbianism is there is a verse that calls them out in Roman 1:26-27 "even thier women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. Likewise men committed indecent acts with other men
The lesbianism argument is crock, the Bible doesn't mention paedophilia either so are we dumb it tacitly consents to such abhorrence?
wrong! Thats paul condemning heterosexuals who do same sex acts. Try again
@@pastorbri you know that's ridiculous and if a man that had a wife decided to be in a gay relationship you'd say that's him finally coming out, Groomer
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 no Id say that was u homophobics forcing gays into marriage which never works, groomer.
@@pastorbri Wouldn't that just make them gay?
I'm a Latter-day Saint. There's a member of our church who has a podcast and TikTok that parrots out seemingly all the same garbage that you're refuting.
Thank you for videos like this.
You must be speaking of Dan McClellan. If you want a response to Dan from an LDS perspective see Thoughtful Faith’s interview with Blake Ostler
Iim surprised a mormon is here on a catholic podcast
I’ll pray for you! I have friends who are Mormon as well, and I desperately want them to come to Christianity. 🙏
Become Christian and leave that heresy behind
@@JW-sg7tt yes… the true Christianity… not the one where ya know (LDS) Jesus is spirit brothers with Satan and the lowest level of hell is still considered heaven.
Oh gosh, the 1946 take. We’ve all heard this claim before. Thanks for addressing this Trent!
I hope the Catholic church holds strong against the tidal wave of LGBT propaganda 🙏 I believed some of it too, until I really came close to Christ 🙏✝️
haven't they already accepted it?
@@slothdude8109yes and no. It was a stupid, lazy, feckless, confusing and reckless position for the Vatican to take, that a same sex couple can receive a “lesser” blessing.
Agreed!
u like satan to do his tidal wave of homophobic propaganda on Gods church then?
@@slothdude8109 all church's shoud
I'm always astonished about how every Trent video will always have dozens of comments from people who despises catholicism in very little time after the video publication. Does those people keep refreshing his channel page every few minutes? They like him more than I do!
when its about defending people who were threatened for thousands of years, yes, its worth it, try it.
@@willemvo7296 Which people? Try what? Sorry, I didn't understand.
@@willemvo7296? Care to explain?
@@JW-sg7tt gays lived for many centuries in fear and abused, without families or honor. do ppl really think they chose this. read the bibles a bit better i would say to those that copy cultural understandings of the bible without hearing their hearts, because jesus i.t. gospel clearly stated he would be there for those that were expelled by society.
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A badge of honor for Trent to be on the troll list. Paid shills who instantly attack truth tellers.
Pointing out that their theories suggest Paul condemns r___ victim to eternal torment is such an important point. Forcing them to choose between those two interpretations will hopefully shut down this kind of logic a bit.
It's just as likely they will say "You're right. Now I reject Paul entirely."
@@jdotoz That's a fair point, however I would say either way they are rejecting paul. The difference is one is an honest rejection, and the other is just muddying the waters to spread confusion.
@@shmoo6973 You have to be careful with this sort of argument. If I recall correctly, Peter Kreeft described how he accidentally convinced a student of his to accept infanticide. He showed her that abortion and infanticide are essentially the same, but rather than give up abortion, she embraced infanticide.
Paul can't condemn a rаре victim to Gehenna, anyhow; only God can!
@@Cjnw Yes, obviously. Paul is not saying that he is condemning such people, he is saying that God will.
The mental gymnastics people will go through to justify sin, 😢💔🙏🙏
We need to pray for the lgbt community, and for all of us to repent, confess and take the body of Christ to be healed , 🙏🙏🙏 thank you for the video, Trent, you are very educated on these topics.
we need to pray for the lost souls in the homophobic community
Hey, Trent and James White agree on something. 🎉
You mean Jamal Mohammed White 😁
Leviticus 18:22 “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."" Would they please explain that one away?
Them: yOu wEaR mIxEd fAbRiCs
@@OppressedPotatoYeah ? Let's talk about that, why are you selective about what parts of the bible you apply ? You allow yourself some transgressions, so how do you decides which rules to follow or not ? Exodus 21 is mostly about slave ownership, do you consider it okay to own slaves ?
@@Auto5k Sure! There's three types of laws in the old testament: ceremonial, moral, and (can't remember the proper term) legal. Moral laws are for all of humanity, since they describe God's order for creation. Legal laws are just like the laws of any other country, we don't have to follow British law here in America. However, most laws are also based on a moral precept, so it's good to see what that precept is and follow that. Finally, ceremonial laws, such as mixed fabrics and rules for sacrifices, are no longer necessary bc we have a new covenant in Christ. While under the old covenant, we had to sacrifice animals regularly to have our sins COVERED, Christ's perfect sacrifice has our sins WASHED AWAY. Hopefully that helped clear things up a bit
@@Auto5kWhenever the Bible talks about ritual laws, it will usually describe them as ‘unclean’ like women on their period as they were meant to be set apart, whereas in this passage, it describes the act as an ‘abomination’ which goes beyond ritual and into general morality
thats the old law God said is dead
Don't let them confuse you by making it seem complicated
It's actually simple
Leviticus 18:22
And let's not forget all the other mistranslated from the tanach into the Christian bible version.
@@lazarchill8514 Hi, Lazar.
The funny thing about the idea of a word or passage being mistranslated is that it often depends on underlying assumptions to determine whether the translation is suitable or adequate, so the very claim of there being a mistranslation often indicates the existence of a particular (divergent) set of underlying assumptions.
So, no mention of women. Not surprised.
@@gregorybarrett4998 it is very clear, assumptions aside refers a certain bias on the person assuming.
Man lying with man is a no no.
Other mistranslated words "thy shall not kill" - no such text
Virgin in reference to Mary, maiden it should be.
There's many more but hey good luck with that. If it was Islam...... Well Whole different reply 😅🤯
Simple, is it, right? Oh, look, Leviticus 19:19 "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material." It is clearly banned in the same book of the bible. You are banned from wearing any clothing that's mixed fibre (for example cotton/polyester, which is most of clothes made today).
By the way, do you cut your hair or shave? Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."
So explain to me how you have such problem with one ban, while completely ignoring the others?
At this point in the degeneration of our society, one does not even need a religious argument against homosexuality. In a couple decades we have gone from tolerance, to parental rights being taken away while their children are prepped for mutilation. The slippery slope and its consequences are real. Homosexuality is something that always needs to be kept at the fringes or the whole of society suffers.
The fact that God tries to warn us against it and instructs us how to best protect our families and build a society, well, that just makes me love God all the more. That's Fatherly love right there.
Soo can you actually show any link between the homosexuality or supposed degradation? And what parental rights taken away or children mutilated are you even talking about?
@@linuxramblingproductions8554 Many states worldwide, e.g. California, can take away children if parents don’t affirm gender identity, even if you just hold back and suggest that they get some counselling first - th-cam.com/users/shorts_VaPGNQklQc
It is the outcome of tolerating homosexuality - if you accept and promote degenerate sexual activity, then it leads to this kind of thing happening.
Basically if you create a slippery slope, you will go down it.
It tends to be a civilisation ending thing th-cam.com/users/shortsNJSIHSKSIlM
Just denying his claims by feigning lack of evidence is manipulative. Scripture teaches that when something is an abomination that it is cursed, it is abominable. The link exits there in it's cast down unclean state of being...there is only the clean (accepted) and the unclean (unaccepted).
It is a fact that there has been and still is an agenda to remove parents rights concerning their children when it comes to gaining access to drugs, inhibitors,
and surgeries such as in Oregon. Oregon isn't the only state to have proposed or enacted such wretched legislation, whether local, state or federal it is and abomination and a clear agenda of evil and power.
The beast system is alive and well...@@linuxramblingproductions8554
Agreed!
Homophobia needs to be kept in hell with satans ways
As someone with SSA, Im sick and tired of progressive “Christians” telling me acting on them is ok. I have seen how celibacy has brought me closer to God. I used to view my attractions as a curse, but after converting to Catholicism I learned it was a blessing. Not because of the attractions but because its an opportunity to become closer to God, I dont have to worry about romantic relationships with anyone and I can use that time to become closer to Christ. In fact Im seriously discerning joining a Benedictine Monastery or the Franciscan Friars for a life dedicated to Christ.
how old are you ? if i may ask, to understand the perspective you talk from. you know why jesus i.t. gospels talks so much about the golden rule ? because we are not all equal in our possibilities.
@@willemvo7296 Why does my age matter?
@@KephasIsStPeter i just ask to understand your perspective. people can become dissapointed with life and search the warmth of culture and belonging. or they are just starting and dont know how life grows or takes possiblities over time for example.
@@willemvo7296 Im not putting my age on here but trust me ive been around the block a few times im not some naive kid. I wasn’t looking for anything when I found Christ.
@@KephasIsStPeter okay. everyone is different, without info its difficult to step in your perspectives, i can only repeat, capacities are different. for example: many rich people also belief others are poor because of their own faults.
Trent Horn is the Chuck Norris of apologetics and philosophy.
Almost... just a beard shy of the Chuckster
OK, Boomer!
@@Cjnw No, I'm just a Zoomer who grew up on a Boomer's TV.
Hearing this reminds me of the serpent’s strategy to tempt Eve. The serpent asked “Did God really say . . ?” He tried to get Eve to doubt the truthfulness of God’s Word. He wanted Eve to feel that she would be missing out on something “good” by being obedient to God’s instruction.
homophobics are like that too
@@pastorbri???
I just sent a friend this video, she says she's a Catholic but not very religious. She said she doesn't know a lot about the topic but she said she is an LGBTQ+ ally... yeah I think ignorance of what The Bible says is part of the reason why so many "Catholics" allow homosexuality even though The Bible clearly condemns it. I'm not even a Catholic and I'm ace, but even I know that The Bible very clearly doesn't allow acting on homosexual thoughts.
Evil always tries to justify itself.
It does indeed. Look at the history of the church: forced conversions, torture and burnings alive, for the sake of the soul of course.
@@DIBBY40Let’s look at the last century. More people died under atheist socialist regimes in the last 100 years than the previous 1900 under Christendom.
@@DIBBY40so basically aspects of the roman empire that survived through germanic kingdoms. If you were an ounce intellectually honest you would see this.
@@Baccanaso See what? Christian imperialism?
@@Baccanasothose were still christian practices that were motivated by their religion. Hell look at the atrocities in the bible that were supposedly for the greater good
im only 2 min in and the part where the camera zooms in on Trent's face and says "who cares" made me laugh so hard
I just know this is going to be an awesome video! Thanks for all that you do, Trent and the team!
Yeah I've heard this argument so many times I'm at that point to. Also I'll just say this the fact they argue like Mormons, JWs and other cults who think *they* have the right answer all along. Well that's a red flag already
They are screening this movie this Sunday at a Methodist Church in my neighborhood and it is actually being sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce. I wish Trent could be there to counter this nonsense.
Methodist Churches have always been liberal and sus. D:
@@keagaming9837not always. They're just more "Methodists" who are theologically liberal than most others denominations
Pray for us sinners lord! May our eyes be opened
more so homophobics
NT scholar EP Sanders - even though he was not a believer (he called himself a “liberal, modern, secularized Protestant”) - is extremely helpful here. Sanders literally revolutionalized NT (especially Pauline) studies back in the '70's.
The following excerpt is from his "Paul: A Very Short Introduction" published by Oxford University Press, pgs. 128ff.
“Homosexual activity: Paul was against homosexuality, both active and inactive, male and female. This marks him as Jewish. Since homosexuality in the Graeco-Roman world is not widely understood, I shall first lay the groundwork.
[In the Graeco-Roman world] There was no condemnation of sexual relations with a person of the same sex simply because the sameness. Far from homosexual attraction and activity being condemned, in some circles they were positively valued as part of educational and cultural life. In classical Athens, for example, it was thought that a boy or youth should be honorably courted by a man, who should desire to lead him into wisdom and bravery. The man was also expected to desire the boy sexually. The young male body was generally regarded as the greatest beauty in nature, and therefore as highly desirable. If the man was worthy, he inspired in the boy not eros, sexual desire, but philos, love without lust. The boy, motivated by philos, might grant the man’s desire, but preferably intercourse took place only between the thighs, with no penetration. Further, the taboo held that the boy should not enjoy the physical aspect.
How often this chaste ideal was met we cannot know, and certainly there were many abuses, which were themselves condemned by pagans. But we note, first, that homosexuality of this sort was, at least sometimes, idealized and favorably evaluated. Even in Rome, where this particular aesthetic theory did not hold sway, it was regarded as normal for an adult male to desire boys. Homosexual activity, like any form of sex, was sometimes satirized, and some seductions were even against the law, but nevertheless there was no general condemnation. This sets Graeco-Romans culture off sharply from Jewish culture.
Secondly, we note the reservation about penetration. The general view was that it was shameful for a male to be the passive partner. Even if a boy granted his adult lover the full favor of his youth, he should grow up to take the active role. In classical Athens, for an adult male to be passive was a bar to the exercise of citizenship. Slaves could serve as passive partners, and of course so could women. The Greeks and Romans despised effeminacy in men. It seems that the strength of this taboo weakened in the later Roman period, but it was strong enough in the first century for there to be ridicule of even Julius Caesar for playing the passive role. When Curio quipped that Caesar was ‘every woman's husband and every man’s wife’. The ridicule was in part directed at his general promiscuity, but the real bite comes in the second half: with men Caesar took the woman’s role. One more example: Seneca ridiculed a wealthy man because he kept a handsome slave who was dressed like a woman when he waited at table, but became the man in private. What drew comment was that the master rather than the slave played the passive role in sex.
It is a curiosity of human behavior that the active partner, though may have disgraced his passive lover - making him like a slave or woman - shared none of the blame. (Modern society is equally hypocritical about prostitution.) In the Roman world men were expected to be sexually active, and they had little to fear from public opinion, or from the malice of friends and confidants, if they engaged in homosexual activity on the giving rather than the receiving end.
We have much less information about female homosexuality. We hear of one woman who shaved her head and who bragged about how many women she could have each day. Her behavior was not applauded, probably because of her aggressive assumption of the male role.
Jews, looking at the Gentile world, saw it as full of porneia, sexual sin of all sorts, and homosexuality was a prime case. They condemned it lock, stock, and barrel. This is emphasized in the Bible (for example, Leviticus 18:22) and repeated in subsequent Jewish literature. In the Letter to Aristeas (written by an Egyptian Jew in the second century BCE) we read that most non-Jewish men defile themselves by homosexual intercourse and that ‘whole countries and cities pride themselves upon such vices’ (Letter of Aristeas, 152f.). The Jewish Sibylline Oracle 2:73 contains the prohibition me arsenokoitein, literally ‘do not bugger males’, putting the activity on par with extortion and murder. We note that it is the active role which is condemned. Philo, in a substantial discussion sexual sins, lists homosexuality as next to bestiality in gravity. Making love to boys, pederasty (to paiderastein), is common in Gentile society, and Philo especially complains that men boast not only of the active but also the passive role. There then follows a dull description of the wiles and seductive manner of passive males. He points out that the law, that is, Moses’ law, provides death as the penalty for the male who dresses like a woman; he adds, ‘the lover of such (ho paiderastes) may be assured that he is subject to the same penalty’ (Special Laws 3:37-42)
So, when we turn to Paul, we are not surprised that he condemns all homosexual activity, nor that he specifies both the active and the passive partners. Out of an excess of modesty some English translations do not precisely render 1 Corinthians 6:9. The RSV has “sexual perverts” and the NEB “homosexual perversion”. The Jerusalem Bible correctly has “catamites” and “sodomites”. Paul names both the effeminate partner, the malakos, ‘soft’ one, and the active one, the arsenokoitis. Some scholars propose that the words are uncertain as to meaning and thus that perhaps Paul did not really condemn homosexuality. The words, however, are quite clear. ‘Soft’ was a common term for the passive partner, and nothing could be more clear than ‘one who buggers males’ (arsenokoitis). We noted the word in Sibylline Oracle 2:73, and both that passage and Paul’s reflect the terminology of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13: meta arsenos koiten, ‘he who has coitus with a male.” In another passage, Romans 1:26-27, Paul condemns both male and female homosexuality in blanket terms and without making any distinctions.
With regard to the source of these passages: Romans 1:18-32 is very close to the Wisdom of Solomon, a Jewish book written in Egypt. Further, Paul’s reference to ‘images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles’ (Rom 1:23) points to an origin in the synagogues of Eqypt. (Birds, animals, and reptiles were idolized in Egypt, not commonly in the rest of the Graeco-Roman world.) 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is pre-Pauline in origin. The language of the unrighteous not inheriting the kingdom of God and the list of sins which follows point to a traditional Jewish formulation, one perhaps passed on to Paul by the Jewish-Christian community before him, but possibly simply remembered from synagogue sermons. In short, the two condemnations of homosexuality show that he applied to his Gentile converts the standards of Judaism. Naturally he found them wanting: ‘such were some of you’ (1 Cor 6:11). We see here a conflict between the Jewish apostle and his Gentile followers."
Great resource! Thank you very much.
@@marilynmelzian7370 you're welcome!
Thank you for blessing so many with a firm clarity and renewed recognition for our foundation.
God bless!
The audacity and mental gymnastics that they had to go through to come to this conclusion is astonishing.
homophobics are good at that
Hey Trent, I want to apologize for my reply to another comment about how you believe in something unknown to the early church. While that is surely my conviction, it was a silly thing to comment given the agreement we have on this issue. Please forgive me for trying to pick a fight without good reason. Appreciate your work on this and many other topics.
You are one of the best at theology Mr Horn, I say that being a Protestant but I hope you do consider me as a brother as I do you
"Oh no! A word that wasn't in common use until the 20th century wasn't written in the Bible until the 20th century!!!" lol some people. This is just like your other video about the atheist memes, saying names like John, James, and Matthew don't sound very Jewish. 😂
Trent, love your content.
Thank you very much for this video. I've heard these arguments before and it's good to know that there's a solid foundation for believing the text.
so u know homophobia is a sin I hope
This is another example of why we need a Church. We Catholics go by the Church’s teachings instead of everyone interpreting the Bible their own way.
I mean even the Christians scholar don't don't agree with each other. But because most of their arguments are unverifiable so the debates are still going on.
Yes we have the magisterium of the Church
Not attacking you or your beliefs, but genuinely curious - where in the Bible does the Bible reference praying to the saints rather than to God himself?
@@jordanclarxon6246 There’s mention in the books that Protestants removed when they came around 1500 years after the Church started, but also it doesn’t matter because the Catholic Church predates the Bible. The Church compiled the Bible. The way you believe that the entirety of your faith comes from the Bible, we believe the entirety of our faith comes from the Church. So when I hear Methodists arguing about what the Bible says about homosexuality, it doesn’t matter to me because I know what the Catholic Church says.
@@jordanclarxon6246 all through the Bible it states that
And this is the type of content i love. informative, well reaserch adn honest. Thank you Sir for your work. God bless
Thanks for this Trent
Glad you've made a video on this. This movie has made my eyes roll to the back of my skull
u like the homophobic lifestyle?
These people think they can come up with a new interpretation to approve of their sin. Its tiresome and old.
the bibles inspiration was made to be inspiring new ways of thinking not to be abused for hate.
@@willemvo7296isn't it hateful to decieve sinners into never repenting? Don't you know that is dangerous for their salvation?
@@willemvo7296 nice try. Calling out sin is not hate. Educate yourself 🤡
well, if you know what sin actually is. otherwise its not a bad idea to first judge one self.@@Maryismymom2
There is nothing new under the sun, all is vanity and vexation...it appears your "new ways" are not biblical...@@willemvo7296
Last two mins is wow - so so good! Thank you Trent. God bless you.
AWSOME work man! I’ll remember you and your work in a mass this week
Great video and information Mr. Horn. I appreciate what you do.
They don't care about the Bible but just to cause division or justify their wrong behaviour (which makes me think they really care). Great vodeo, as always.
I have never met a religious person who actually cared about the bible. I assume some Chasidic jews or maybe some Amish do, but pretty much all other believers simply cherrypick few rules and completely ignore 99% of the book. They are, in violation of most of the rules for their entire life, but complain about other people.
homophobics never cared what the bible says
Excellent insight Trent. Amen
new trent video, we up we up
Beautifully done as always, Trent!
On “Not knowing how or why sexual orientation arises or changes”.
I have always believed that sexual behavior is situational.
Our biological and emotional drive is very powerful, and if unable to be fulfilled naturally, will take any other route, all of them disordered.
If we put heterosexual people of the same sex on an island, it would get gay there in no time.
This “island” may take many forms of course. Emotional, psychological, or physical.
Excellent video. James Martin needs to wake up
As always, I dig. Huge fan of the channel, and always looking forward to new videos!
Tell a lie often enough until it's believed.
Both the OT and NT condemn same sex acts because it's against God's original plan. People have a tendency to cherry pick specific verses that seem to support their POV then build an entire thesis around them rather than seeing what the ENTIRE word of God says.
homophobia is the real sin
Thanks for the upload, Trent! Longtime fan, commenting for the first time.
Recently youtube recommended me a video called "Satan's Guide to the Bible" and I'm not sure if it's worth your time, or even an area where you feel confortable debating, but seeing as it has hundreds of thousands of views, maybe is a video that you can comment on.
Once again, thanks for your work.Your channel and your family are in my prayers!
yes satan loves homophobics
Im not religious, i think, but these people trying to change the Bible is just - offensive. My goodness. Im siding with the Catholics. So this is what it feels like.
religion is actually what changed the bible sources. Jesus didnt leave us written gospels (ine one book), Marcion did :)
Yup, the very liberal woke people are trying to change The Bible to fit their feelings instead of what The Bible really says.
I side with the bible than man made religions
This is extremely helpful as I struggle to understand this issue and to be fair to both sides of this debate. Thank you, Trent, for your careful analysis, clarity, and charity.
Thats my pastor! Sal Roggio from NJ. He's an awesome and knowledgeable pastor. Super cool seeing him in a video!
The essence of the video:
1- Malakoi and Arsenakoi can't refer to pederasty/rape/pedophilia because both persons are condemned. And a rape victim is innocent, thus the malakoi condemned by St Paul is consenting to the sex
2- It is not solely ritual pagan prostitution that is being condemned because St Paul in Romans condemns people abandoning women for men and calls this unnatural without mentioning some ritual pagan prostitution.
3- It is not a condemnation of excess because what is being condemned is "exchanging" natural sex for unnatural sex, refered right after as heterosexual sex vs same-sex sex
4- Leviticus not mentioning lesbianism means nothing because it has a male audience. Just like the condemnation of men copulating with their mothers applies to women copulating with their fathers the condemnation of men copulating with men also applies to sexual contact between women.
5- The word for male prostitute is not mentioned in the condemnation of sex between two males in leviticus. Thus in leviticus it isnt about prostitution either
6- The choice isn't between "all gay people go to hell and you need to become straight" and "same-sex sex isn't sinful at all". The orthodox position is celibacy for people unable to do sex with and satisfy sexually/romantically/emotionally a person of the opposite sex.
7- Denying same-sex sex is sinful because of feelings will lead to other things like pornography, polyamory, divorce, no-fault separation and premarital/no-strings-attached sex being seen as non sinful to 17:43
PS: maybe we can turn this into a copypasta?
I'm a prodistant, and it saddens me to see so many churches of all denominations changing the Bible accepting this nonsense.
Friend, we welcome you to attend Catholic Mass anytime. May Peace be with you. 🙏🏼✝️🕊️
I agree sir!
homophobics have always done this
@@jesusloveseveryone888 why would anyone go to a man made religious church?
This is the first video I've seen of yours, amd i appreciate your honest take on both sides and clear presentation. Preston Sprinkle would be proud.
Hello Trent. You inspire me alot. Most of the times, when I see objections to Catholicism, I check on your channel to see your responses. And they are well researched and well articulated.
On an unrelated matter, I'm looking forward to see your comment on the Book of Enoch.. if you already did, you can share the link
Fantastic and necessary rebuttal!
Excellent video!! I do street outreach & hear this objection quite often.
Thank you so much for this info & rebuttal to their claims!
Excellent analysis, thank you! I would love to hear your analysis of the other film that's making its rounds among protestant churches called A Fish Out Of Water. When my church adopted the open and affirming curriculum it showed this film to the congregation. I was shocked that my church leaders succumbed to its messaging. It caused a big rift in our fellowship with each other. I finally watched it on TH-cam and couldn't believe the hubris of those who created it. God has made himself known by all that is around us. Those who deny what is before their eyes have let their mind go dark. Keep preaching my friend.
God bless you, Trent 🙏 ✝️
I have a Catholic friend who is an LGBTQ+ ally, I want to send this to her and see what she thinks. I am very confused how she could be an ally of something that The Bible clearly condemns.
Hom ose xuality is a nat ural healthy born se xual orientation with an evolutionary meaning.
It exists since se xuality exists , long befor Chrsitianity came up and it will still long exist after Chrsitianity and its man-made morals are gone in the realm of man-made mythology.
yet ur an ally of something the Bible condemns....homophobia
@@user-hr8dx9qw4n homophobics won't get that
If people would only put half as much effort into batteling and avoiding their sins as they do into justifying them...
Hom ose xuality is a nat ural healthy born se xual orientation with an evolutionary meaning.
It exists since se xuality exists , long befor Chrsitianity came up and it will still long exist after Chrsitianity and its man-made morals are gone in the realm of man-made mythology.
@@user-hr8dx9qw4n Is there something wrong with your copy-paste? Anyway, you're bringing up the logical fallacy that "something occurs in nature" means "something is good" which is completely wrong. Look at nature. Nature doesn't care about morality. So why should we take it as a moral judgement.
but homophobics love their sin too much
@@m.f.5739 No: There's no fallacy, but only in your interpretation. See: Saying that something occurs in nature (regarding the theme of this chat and video), is just meaning that it's a natural phenomenon, perhaps not with a high frequency, but possible in and from nature, independently of any morality. It's neither wrong nor right. It just happens and it's not a human invention, trend o fashion.
Brilliant as always Trent!
Thank you for your witness, Trent
Its disgusting how theyre trying to rewrite/distort the translations of Jesus’ word to fit their sick narratives
yes homophobics are good at this
You can really see what Paul meant about the darkening of minds when listening to those who want to downplay the sin.
Reprobates...
Thank you I've really been enjoying your podcast.
Thanks for doing this.
I had some friends who i think were attempting to parrot (very poorly for that matter) some of the points of this documentry.
They told me that "they" (they never said who) "changed the word"- but since I know of the textual integrity of the Greek NT, I immediately told them that it was blatenty wrong.
Your video explains what they were attempting to say- and it seems I was answering a question they weren't trying to ask- which happens a lot.
You are right! No ifs, ands, or buts, the Holy Bible condemns homosexuality,
and there is no use pretending otherwise! More than that, studies involving
identical twins have shown that if one of them should become gay the other
usually does not do likewise (I learned this from one of the foremost experts
in genetics, whom I studied under and came to know personally); this would
show, if anything, that there is no genetic basis for homosexual proclivity!
Doesn't matter. Just because its not genetic, doesn't mean its any less immutable. Science shows there's no 'conversion therapy' that ever works. Sexual orientation, especially for men, is pretty much immutable after childhood. Therefore, for you to go around condemning people for something they did not choose is abhorrent.
You are right but for the wrong reasons! Every person is a product of both their heredity and their environment! And there is very little that can be done for someone who insists on believing and living a lie, so we can only commend them to the mercy and grace of Almighty God, who desires that all may be saved!
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Maybe, and it's a big maybe, they didn't choose their "orientation". But they absolutely choose whether to act on that "orientation". And while it's not up to *us* to go around tossing condemnations at people, we also should not shy away from saying the truth that God said about such acts.
no the bible condemns homophobia
@@Gyvulys so do heterosexuals chose to act on their natural sexuality? No because its natural, get better educated.
Interesting, so by revising the interpretation to merely encompass pederasty or rape has the unfortunate implication that the text then condemns the victim. I will certainly keep that in mind!
It’s interesting to watch your video and Father Casey’s video that was released shortly after.
Great content and explanation of faith and reason. 🙏🏾
Thank you brother. I think God uses these challenges to grow our faith by pushing us to dove deeper for our own understanding through the help of the Holy Spirit.
Amen! Christians with gay thoughts need to not act on these thoughts! It's a challenge, but it is possible to avoid acting on the homosexual thoughts! It's a choice!
Anyone who makes these revisionists arguments just need to be called what they are: blasphemers.
I think your onto something there...
thats what homophobics are
PEACH, TRENT!! THANK you for speaking the truth so clearly on this issue, once again!!🙏🙏 God bless you in your efforts in doing so amongst so much division!!
thank you so much for making this, I love your content, I'm becoming a huge fan, you help grow my relationship with the Lord, and grow me in wisdom!
I remember watching an awful TED talk years ago where 2 people dressed in Halloween costumes of a priest and nun habit tried to argue that the sin of Sodom was unhospitality instead of homosexual acts. It was my first time encountering that argument, and I remember thinking, "This is ridiculous. TED should be ashamed."
Well, TED is run by leftists so that is not surprising at all. But ya, blasphemy is always bad.
Pretty sure that argument comes from people who have never read Genesis 19.
@@TetrisPhantom Genesis, more like any part of the Bible aside from John 3:16.
TED talks aren't the hold standard they used to be. Any idiot with a vague knowledge of anything can do a ted talk these days.
A year ago I also watched a TED talk about homosexuality in The Bible. The women talked about how homosexuality was only condemned a few times and therefore it was somehow irrelevant. There was also a lot of talk about it being about hospitality not sex. I remember being disgusting by their arguments and I was sad to see so many people in it's comments section agreeing with the TED talk. Even though I was woke back then, I knew The Bible didn't allow acting on homosexual thoughts.
It seems like these critics want to view everything through the lense of social power dynamics and class struggle 🤔 sounds kinda familiar
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS
Thank you for this. God Bless 🙏♥️
Shouldn't the obvious conflict of interest from these people being gay and trying to justify their sin be enough to invalidate their arguments?
Thats a fallacy the person saying an argument doesn’t affect the content of the argument itself
I know of Christians who are gay but they choose to not act on their homosexual thoughts. The problem here is that some gay people are salty that they can't act on their bad thoughts so they try to manipulate The Bible even though The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality.
homophobics try to justify their hate
amazing video as always
Much thanks and blessings to you, Trent!!
Thank you for broaching this topic!