Everything WRONG With Sonic Frontiers

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  • @laughingoctopus6550
    @laughingoctopus6550 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    1:39 So for those following Dartigan lore, dude's dad was a convicted felon, schizophrenic and is deceased and his family was borderline homeless at times. Homie's background is DARK.

    • @762x69
      @762x69 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Well that certainly explains the anti-depressant self jabs in his early vids...whew..

    • @miminoran8948
      @miminoran8948 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      How did you find this out

    • @762x69
      @762x69 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@miminoran8948 watching his videos over the years..

    • @markricheard1870
      @markricheard1870 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Thats probably why he sounds so monotone in all his videos, he's been places and seen things.

    • @demonintellect9834
      @demonintellect9834 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Or it's just a joke. I've seen quite a few youtubers who just say random shit about their past that makes no sense when thought about

  • @nabiiii
    @nabiiii ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I'm a sonic fan and your takes make me mad af, but the fact that you played the game means that sonic's getting somewhere

    • @nabiiii
      @nabiiii ปีที่แล้ว +11

      lol i'm enjoying this video more than i thought, I was expecting to leave instantly because of emotional damage, but this is a fun watch

    • @demonintellect9834
      @demonintellect9834 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I mean a good sonic game is on par with a mediocre game.

    • @nabiiii
      @nabiiii ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@demonintellect9834 i don't care, i love sonic frontiers,

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Of course you're mad. sonic fans hate anything bad said about sonic :)

    • @nabiiii
      @nabiiii ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StephonZeno well of course, don't you hate it when someone says bad things about something you like?
      In this vid most things are justified tho

  • @betrangustama
    @betrangustama ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Every Sonic video has to include these lines:
    "Sonic had a rough transition into 3D"
    "Sonic shouldn't have a serious story"
    "Sonic should stay 2D"
    And you didn't disappoint.

    • @elpepo0
      @elpepo0 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yeah he's just like the others😂 they're all made with stencils

    • @betrangustama
      @betrangustama ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @Wesley Stolarski gameplay wise? Sure, i can see why.
      But to say that Sonic shouldn't have a serious story is ridicolous to me.
      Sonic was always meant to have more complex storytelling in mind. You can even see them from the genesis game and their manuals. It was always meant to Contrast Mario's simple and lighthearted storytelling

    • @alphabae7512
      @alphabae7512 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@betrangustama Fax being spat here. It's always such a shallow "critique" that Sonic should have remained 2D and never had any story implementation.

    • @BlueBlur2003
      @BlueBlur2003 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Those are all really bs statements I'm sorry
      It's like people forget that there have been really good 3D Sonic games. More so than bad 3D ones I think. Even the ''horrible'' ones people like to point out like Sonic 06 weren't really that bad, not good but I wouldn't say it's one of the worst games of all time. Games like Sonic Adventure are one of the big reasons this franchise became the icon it is today. Sonic is a game franchise first and there's a reason SEGA continues to make more games despite some downs, saying he should retire and stick to other media is the most brain dead take I've heard in a while.

    • @Terminal_Apotos
      @Terminal_Apotos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This Bozo is stuck in 2015 when shitting in sonic was popular

  • @seanibarra-loredo7290
    @seanibarra-loredo7290 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Gee, I wonder what someone who never liked 3D Sonic will think of this 3D Sonic game.
    But in all seriousness, I'm just glad you played this game. It'll bring more people to try it out.

    • @bigbruno2232
      @bigbruno2232 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Like Yahtzee? Well he did had mixed feelings

    • @HabitualThinker
      @HabitualThinker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it’s weird how much he complained about serious story, because that was always present in sonic. Even prior to 3D.

  • @skyrim5110
    @skyrim5110 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Funny when Shadow was introduced that was arguably the peak of the Sonic franchise.

  • @popneppopnep4357
    @popneppopnep4357 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I like to believe that Shadow is the Kenny of the group and whenever he survived certain death he didn't and just got replaced by one of the Shadow androids introduced in Shadow the hedgehog.

    • @seanibarra-loredo7290
      @seanibarra-loredo7290 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well sorry to burst your bubble but Eggman confirms that Shadow is the same one from SA2 in Shadow's own game.

    • @popneppopnep4357
      @popneppopnep4357 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@seanibarra-loredo7290 I mean after it, but it's my head cannon.

    • @lukasruston8618
      @lukasruston8618 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@popneppopnep4357 I don't believe Shadow ever really had a moment where he was considered dead after that game though.

    • @popneppopnep4357
      @popneppopnep4357 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lukasruston8618 maybe but it's just my funny thought about Shadow because I'm pretty sure that other than the Robot and Eggman none of the other characters know about the androids.

    • @lukasruston8618
      @lukasruston8618 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@popneppopnep4357 I'm pretty sure they were all destroyed anyways, the ones in Heroes were destroyed by Omega and considering that Omega is seen invading Eggman's base in Shadow the Hedgehog, it's highly likely that he destroyed the ones there too... which from what we know is all of them in existence.

  • @HMZeroTwo
    @HMZeroTwo ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Never thought I'd live to see the day Dartigan covers a Sonic game

  • @vendettaduck1288
    @vendettaduck1288 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You know somthing tell me that he hasn't played many sonic games.

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Smart man.

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StephonZeno L

    • @episodicteen1024
      @episodicteen1024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StephonZeno bro you're everywhere in these comments. You spying on us or something? (Please don't take it seriously you can comment whatever you want)

    • @jlev1028
      @jlev1028 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not even Sonic 3 & Knucles apparently.

  • @phillippeandpheather5379
    @phillippeandpheather5379 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The first three minutes feel like you're venting your malice towards the franchise.

  • @bigfanofsb653
    @bigfanofsb653 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:08 Are you? Are you dense.
    "Going fast only works in a medium where you can only see 4 feet in front of you"
    Also have you heard of racing games which are mostly... 3D.
    Like that is the single dumbest statement about games I have heard.

  • @argentskies3794
    @argentskies3794 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sega lawyers might be coming for that intro but I am just extremely happy to see a new Dartigan video

    • @Lonewolf360gaming
      @Lonewolf360gaming ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nah Sega is chill for the most part now if it were nintendo the men in black would be showing up

    • @fenixblade6369
      @fenixblade6369 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Lonewolf360gaming so true

    • @sometf2player752
      @sometf2player752 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      once again people assuming Sega is like Nintendo with their copyright despite it being the complete opposite

  • @electricion712
    @electricion712 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Why do so many people think that Sonic doesn’t work 3D when Sega has proven multiple that it can work in 3D? Not every 3D Sonic fan is bad. Also, you’re oversimplifying the gameplay of 3D Sonic games to just “boost to win”. The boost button isn’t a instant win button. You have to dodge obstacles and jump from platform to platform just like every other 3D platformer game.

  • @koishi_da_thing
    @koishi_da_thing ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm surprised that there was no sin to the obvious mgr or DMC reference with the titan bossfights

    • @seanibarra-loredo7290
      @seanibarra-loredo7290 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And that's a bad thing?

    • @koishi_da_thing
      @koishi_da_thing ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seanibarra-loredo7290honestly not for me but since people really like comparing game nowadays I guess

    • @tdenzel101
      @tdenzel101 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@koishi_da_thing well tell sega stop copying other titles and be unique and we wouldn't have to worry about that.

    • @juana.loredo2745
      @juana.loredo2745 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@tdenzel101Nothing is original, everything is stolen.

  • @Osodjrhrb
    @Osodjrhrb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine writing a story like this with Mario characters. That’s why Nintendo is still around - they would literally fire the person that would propose some shit like this.

  • @ubermench3000
    @ubermench3000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn Dartigan, sounds like you had a rough ass childhood. Much respect.

  • @Proud_Fenian
    @Proud_Fenian ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whats the lore behind that mouse cursor that is chilling there for the start of the video

  • @Salty_Suds
    @Salty_Suds ปีที่แล้ว

    That beggining sin should have been at least 25 minimum

  • @Deathsam8
    @Deathsam8 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I get that this guy does not know so I lore. But plenty of his sins were actually explained in the animations before the game and side stories in the game

  • @Liononmytoes
    @Liononmytoes ปีที่แล้ว

    Knuckles had a little cartoon as to how he got there on their you tube channel. I think they should have added it to the game.

  • @mles98
    @mles98 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holup. Shadow? I thought he was a clone that carried the original shadow's hate towards humanity for the death of Maria. His whole plot was revenge, right? Am I tripping?? Or did you mean the people mistook sonic for shadow?

  • @smackedpickle
    @smackedpickle ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I really can't wait for technology to be so advanced, games no longer have the stiff, stilted, half-cutscenes, where the character models stand super awkwardly and lifelessly cycle through animations that convey: Happiness, disappointment, confusion/deep thought, and anger/frustration. Zack Fair was doing this same crap on the PSP in 2007, it's time to evolve. And at least Zack had the squat animation~
    To the devs that put these conversations of "lesser importance" together with gameplay of traversing the landscape, so the game doesn't have to stop dead to churn out a half-baked cutscene, Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, looking at you here, the gamers of the future thank you 🙏

  • @smithblack5945
    @smithblack5945 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love you Dart, but this was just a bad analysis.

  • @DJR_1999
    @DJR_1999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your mouse is in the video.
    And this is less like cinema sins and more like a sceptical review from a guy who doesn't even like a certain franchise, but with any reviewer online they have to cover all types of topics even if they don't know anything about it.
    Compared to cinema sins your tangents or jokes go on for to long .
    Your also explaining the game to us, instead of truly poking holes in the story or character motivations which cinema sins is known for.
    If anything you just talk to long and over analysis a game about a Giant blue rat that runs fast.
    This video shouldn't be Cinema Sins review of a game, this should instead be a Skeptical review on the franchise questioning why anyone still likes the franchise.
    And this is coming from a fan who like this Dumb Blue Rat.

  • @silomenezes2935
    @silomenezes2935 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how long you made that first sin 😂😂

  • @lukasruston8618
    @lukasruston8618 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm just gonna put this here, I could write a whole bunch of paragraphs to explain this... and I will if someone asks me to but I'll just simply say that I could easily make a rebuttal for most of these sins so there'd only be like 10-20 that I actually agree with. I feel like most of these sins were made due to a lack of knowledge about the franchise... but then again this guy said that he played the classic games and they were his favourite yet said that Super Knuckles only existed in Sonic Mania when it was actually first introduced in Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

    • @SinHurr
      @SinHurr ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi you must be new here.

  • @artultimateheroassasin7037
    @artultimateheroassasin7037 ปีที่แล้ว

    also 1 sin to you for not make a shadow of the colossus mention, what is more than necessary with just see the trailer of this game, they just not copy the map, but also part of its story

  • @billywitchdocter
    @billywitchdocter ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand why the "Sonic Lore" is such a controversial topic. The past games happened. I don't understand why this is such an issue.

  • @chrisdaughen5257
    @chrisdaughen5257 ปีที่แล้ว

    17:36 I don't think Sonic's story book games are canon. They felt more like fake stories told by Sonic to escape his dates with Amy. I remember Black Knight's ending being weird as it's suddenly revealed Sonic was King Arthur the whole time... even though he clearly wasn't from Camelot and had to be summoned there. The epilogue doesn't even explain how he got home; Sonic was that bad of a storyteller.

    • @rynobehnke8289
      @rynobehnke8289 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At least Secret Rings is definitely canon as Generations acknowledges it when Sonic argues to Tails that being in a timeless void isn't that much more weird that getting sucked into a story book with genies and stuff.
      And if Secret Rings is canon is there little reason to assume the same isn't true for Sonic and the Black Knight.

    • @christopherford39
      @christopherford39 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rynobehnke8289 hell Frontiers even confirms team Sonic racing and Riders are canon

  • @Lasagnaisprettycool
    @Lasagnaisprettycool ปีที่แล้ว

    The Mafia 1 remake would make for an excellent game to pick apart.

  • @tempestflare4339
    @tempestflare4339 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude this is the best Sonic has been in 3D you seriously are giving this a bad rap I'm highly tempted to unsubscribe

    • @starofjustice1
      @starofjustice1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok. Bye.

    • @tempestflare4339
      @tempestflare4339 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@starofjustice1 he does do games that need sins he's just overly critical on games that are by far some of the best in the industry

    • @starofjustice1
      @starofjustice1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tempestflare4339 Ok. Bye.
      The show's called "Game Sins". If you're looking for fair and balanced reviews, you're in the wrong place. This is goofy nitpicking to try to entertain people.
      And if you think it should only be limited to "bad games", well, sorry, quality's subjective. SAO gets sh!t on, but it was popular at the time. It doesn't matter what game he picked, there'd be somebody like you in the comments saying he needs to get a brain because the game in the video's amazing, and they're unsubscribing because somebody on the internet said something mean about a thing they like.

  • @BillionFrames88
    @BillionFrames88 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the bonk from the stream chat

  • @dollmaker6599
    @dollmaker6599 ปีที่แล้ว

    My guy, you gotta play the Adventure games, they are among the best of the 3D games, specially in the writing

  • @ghostpinguin
    @ghostpinguin ปีที่แล้ว

    Hold on @ min 20 who is Jade ? Isn't that cyber girl's name Sage ?

  • @giguyjoe
    @giguyjoe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:29 You mentioned Sonic 3 and Knuckles before. I think you can guess where it started being a thing. Also, Knuckles in Sonic 2 is a thing as well.

  • @The_Glazer
    @The_Glazer ปีที่แล้ว

    OKAY OKAY ILL SAY IT GET OFF MY BACK ALREADY!... sonic prime on Netflix would have made for a better sonic game then frontiers

  • @fatalwaffle1715
    @fatalwaffle1715 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And this game is similar to Breath Of The Wild and copy other things from Zelda since he is a Legend Of Zelda Fan.

  • @JACKALRUIN
    @JACKALRUIN ปีที่แล้ว

    this is probably the worst frontiers video i've seen and that's saying a lot when i've seen premydaremy videos

  • @mattmas6628
    @mattmas6628 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would agree with you that sonic doesn't work in 3D, if it weren't for Spark The Electric Jester 3 being an outstanding 3D Sonic Clone. The levels in that game go to show it can be done, and that's a low budget indie. imagine AAA or even AA middleware budget

    • @sometf2player752
      @sometf2player752 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      i mean even mainline sonic games proved that it can work in 3d i dont know why people are still having this conversation

    • @mio3199
      @mio3199 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad spark didn't get alot of attention like some indie games because people keep calling it sonic clone.

    • @nytronochrome
      @nytronochrome ปีที่แล้ว

      Srb2 is also a good 3d sonic fan game

  • @MikeHawk8008
    @MikeHawk8008 ปีที่แล้ว

    gotta wait 3 weeks and hope its a good game. yay

  • @JABRIEL251
    @JABRIEL251 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Who is Jade? Do you mean Sage?

  • @armae1497
    @armae1497 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hope you do more sonic games in the future.

  • @KingNazaru
    @KingNazaru ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do the Devil Inside Me video.

  • @nixuniverse5240
    @nixuniverse5240 ปีที่แล้ว +346

    I love this trend of the first sin being a mini review of the game

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      A poor mini-review. Its a rambling rant of "Sonic cant and shouldnt tackle deeper topics" while this game does exactly that and executes it well.

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@jakespacepiratee3740 How is it a poor review, if it's the guys own subjective opinion? We should just take your word for it instead on how well something is executed?

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@StephonZeno Take user reviews and other youtuber reviewers opinions, as more are pretty positive. This just another case of Dartigan thinking he is smarter than everyone else.

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@jakespacepiratee3740 He thinks he's smarter than everyone because he doesn't like a game?

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@StephonZeno Yeah, for poorly thought out reasons.

  • @shadowespurr8636
    @shadowespurr8636 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Dude not to hate, but you really need to revise your videos more than once before uploading them. So many glaring errors with your subtitles alone, not to mention when you began calling Sage, Jade midway for some reason.

  • @davidpumpkinsjr.5108
    @davidpumpkinsjr.5108 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    "Big the Cat charges you to fish on property he doesn't own."
    Sounds like one of my dad's old moneymaking scams.

  • @thajocoth
    @thajocoth ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Super Knuckles was also in Sonic & Knuckles, and by connecting it to Sonic 3 or Sonic 2, you can also get Super Knuckles in those two games as well.
    I believe that Knuckles was specifically referencing his super form in Sonic 3 & Knuckles with his line there.

    • @x7nilestyle13
      @x7nilestyle13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, thank you

    • @thajocoth
      @thajocoth ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@starofjustice1
      Sonic Frontiers is very heavy on references to the other games, but you don't actually need to understand any of them to understand the plot, character interactions, or game mechanics along the way, so none of that's required.
      Specifically in this case it's not required to have played any other games to understand the concept of what Super Knuckles would be. It ceases to be a reference for you perhaps, but it still completely makes sense in context. If the seven chaos emeralds turn Sonic into Super Sonic, and Knuckles is also a character in the same series, then he's clearly suggesting the same transformation for himself, so the line makes sense on its own.
      But you're also not doing an "Everything Wrong With" video, they did choose to comment on the usage of Super Knuckles in other games in the series specifically. Most viewers would expect somebody doing a video like this to do their research. A quick Google search of "Super Knuckles" to check the statement during the writing phase for the video isn't an unreasonable expectation that others would likely have here, and it would likely have changed the response given. Since they didn't do that, I provided the info as a comment to try to be helpful. Even games that aren't part of a series don't exist in a vacuum, so there's likely always going to be some level of research involved.
      It's just one small missed detail, not a huge deal ultimately, and I'm sure other people will comment on other missed details as well.

    • @thajocoth
      @thajocoth ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@starofjustice1 "A lot of people take these so seriously" - This is basically what I already pointed out (in the very next sentence, no less). A lot of other people watching these videos have that expectation. (Your first reply sounded like a pretty serious response to me as well... I was trying to soften things with the info added by my reply to it while also providing you the related info I have to your response, as it was me you replied to...)
      As I've already said: "It's just one small missed detail, not a huge deal ultimately" I'm not taking this all that seriously as your reply seems to suggest. All I've done is provide information on one small bit of misinformation. If I wanted to do what it seems to me like you're suggesting here, there's information I could've added related to far more of the video's comments, but that'd be a big long thing, require me to do some research myself (for free), ultimately be a big waste of time I don't really have, and not really be a fitting reply to the video anyway.
      Out of curiosity, do you find that many of your conversations turn into debates?

    • @starofjustice1
      @starofjustice1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thajocoth "Out of curiosity, do you find that many of your conversations turn into debates?"
      No, but responding to criticism is pretty much automatically a debate.

    • @elpepo0
      @elpepo0 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@starofjustice1 it's just basic knowledge. And for the players that are playing a Sonic game for the first time it just looks like friendly banter

  • @rcblazer
    @rcblazer ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Sega really running with that theme of "Sonic has to collect the Chaos Emeralds... again." As a kid I found myself asking "Why does he keep losing them?!" Well, thanks to Sonic Frontiers, now it all makes sense.

  • @argentskies3794
    @argentskies3794 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    If dart ever goes into making shorts for TH-cam he could consider making all his opening sins as a short they are all like +1mins now

    • @762x69
      @762x69 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      truuue (big brain time) he could easily do that with his latest videos and they would still pull hard numbers

    • @BoleDaPole
      @BoleDaPole ปีที่แล้ว

      That's just his preamble

  • @chrisdaughen5257
    @chrisdaughen5257 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think Sonic fits pretty well in an open world setting. Yeah, fitting the grind rails and springs into the natural-looking environments was a bit awkward, but his speed makes travel much faster compared to other open world series. Games like Farcry and Assassins Creed can put you to sleep with how long it takes to get anywhere new even as they added alternate methods of travel that end up feeling tedious after awhile. Plus, there has to be a -1 sin for the boss sound tracks. They're too rad.
    Storywise, it seems this game was made to address how long and tangled the series has been and Sega wants to tell fans they want to start updating the characters and set the IP on a more focused direction (or frontier lol). I think Forces was a wake up call telling them to get their act together. I do think using all the references was a bit awkward though, seeing as the last 2 major Sonic games, Generations and Forces, were already retrospectives to a degree.

  • @tsukiumika5807
    @tsukiumika5807 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    The more I think about Sonic still having games despite a crappy history, the more I feel it's just seniority from being the mascot for so long. Especially considering All of Sega's other studios who could make a perfect sonic game given the chance. It's feeling like they don't wanna make Sonic games as much as some weird unseen obligation

    • @firefoxriouyh6541
      @firefoxriouyh6541 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I find it hilarious 😂 that Sega confirmed everything is Canon.

    • @mattbauman55
      @mattbauman55 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      This is how I’ve felt about Mario for 20 years. I get Mario is successful and better adapted, I like what he said about being the first video game character to retire.

    • @rabbittherabbit
      @rabbittherabbit ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Matt Bauman I disagree as sonic at his core sells just like mario. Hell most of the reviews for this game was positive from the igns to the players. So the first sin seems bias as compared to games like Sonic Forces where they truly didn't give a dam this game has love and care in it.

    • @SufferingSuccotash
      @SufferingSuccotash ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Tbf Sega almost filed bankruptcy till a mysterious rich guy donated a ton of money to them

    • @mattbauman55
      @mattbauman55 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rabbittherabbit oh ya I haven’t played it nor do I take these sin videos seriously, if people enjoy it trhen by all means I hope they keep releasing them, give the fans what they want. It was just a personal opinion and I thought the “first video game character to retire “ was just funny.

  • @sosaalexis48
    @sosaalexis48 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    9:45 you know whats funny? They did explain how Knucles got there... In a short animation... That they uploaded to youtube...

    • @jayceallen6530
      @jayceallen6530 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      But he also says that he got there by investigating strange ruins on his island in that cutscene, so he essentially explains it here too, the animation is just goin a little deeper into it

    • @nabiiii
      @nabiiii ปีที่แล้ว +2

      well the animation was really good

    • @jayceallen6530
      @jayceallen6530 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @sonic 1995 how? the information is still being told so the player understands whats goin on. I dont think I would’ve liked it if knuckles getting there was a random backstory segment in the game, after all the short doesnt really do much, he finds a rock formation, and investigates a portal, thats how he gets there. Not much that needs to be explained since not much is being missed

    • @jayceallen6530
      @jayceallen6530 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @sonic 1995 when to show and when to tell are very different things. They couldve shown it but making it a quick line when sonic asks about it would be a lot more natural than if he looked at him and sonic was supposed to figure out or something. I think show dont tell could work if they put it at the start of the game. I guess they didnt do that because the promo animation though. At least they still make it known rather than keep it mysterious so it doesnt seem like knuckles just appeared there

    • @whaleping
      @whaleping ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @sonic 1995 Why would they have to show a detail that doesn't matter to the plot in the end? Just saying it is enough for pacing.

  • @Lonewolf360gaming
    @Lonewolf360gaming ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Honestly never thought I'd see you cover a sonic game but hey it's a welcome surprise even as someone had fun with it lmao

  • @helixsol7171
    @helixsol7171 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The fuck you mean "Since when has Super Knuckles been a thing outside of Mania?" Super Knuckles has existed since Sonic 3 & Knuckles!

  • @AlextheRaichu
    @AlextheRaichu ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Note: I don't hate Dartigan or the content he creates. I want to give this dude genuine criticism. With that out of the way, lets get started. I will update this post with every new sin.
    Turn 1: First of all, 100 sins for sinning Sonic Frontiers, the game that essentially redeemed the Sonic franchise AND got *nominated for Players' Voice at the Game Awards of 2022.* [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0100] [JOKE COUNTER: 0000]
    Turn 2: Second, 11 seconds of logos! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0100] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 3: Skip! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0101] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 4: ...What the hell was that about? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0102] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 5: Ignoring the fact that Green Hill Zone is one of the most iconic video game levels of all time, the Cyber Space stages are based on Sonic's memories. You see, when someone enters Cyber Space, that person's memories are looked through so that Cyber Space can build a suitable area, hence why Green Hill Zone is seen in Cyber Space. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0103] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 6: First, that's because Sonic is faster than both Amy and Tails, not to mention he was in a suitable environment for him to run on with no issue. Second, Sonic is well unaware that The End is luring him into a trap, and even so, Sonic will do everything in his power to rescue his friends, no matter what. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0104] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 7: ...What the hell was that for?! Ignoring the fact that the open-zone concept fits very well with Sonic's love for freedom, Those green fields and bland desert are part of the Starfall Islands. Starfall ISLANDS! When do you expect a giant city overrun with oil or a neon cave on an island of all places, huh? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0154] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 8: First of all, sinning something you like... [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0155] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 9: ...and second, sinning the combat. The combat is fast and agile like Sonic is, and the skills you learn along the way are amazing. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0180] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 10: Who cares if Sonic can collect s**t. Skip! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0181] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 11: Okay, but where is the sin? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0182] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 12: Wrong, nuthead. Sonic's friends can't communicate with him normally in the state that they are in, and the hedgehog needs to give them their memory tokens to stabilize their frequency, allowing them to talk to him. The game literally tells you this on Ares and Chaos Island. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0183] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 13: Dartigan makes a pop-culture reference that isn't a sin of the game. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0184] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 14: **referring to sin 13** What was the point of this sin? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0185] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 15: Yes. What's your point? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0186] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 16: Sinning this scene. That's worth these many sins. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 0355] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 17: Sinning the Titans and their boss themes. That's worth these many sins. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100354] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 18: Clearly you haven't watched this: www.google.com/search?q=sonic+frontiers+prologue+divergence&rlz=1CABASQ_enUS976US976&oq=Sonic+frontiers+prologue+di&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i20i263i512l2j0i512j46i10i512j0i512l2j0i10i512l3.8787j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:818cf8f7,vid:_gjszHTDjzo
    [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100355] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 19: Because that laser is made out of energy. It doesn't have any physicality. [SIN COUNTER: 100356] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 20: OK, and? Where's the sin? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100357] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 21: Skip! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100358] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 22: Care to explain why you're starting to see why the Ancients died? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100359] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 23: This dumba$$ sin. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 101235] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 24: Sinning this scene. You know what happens next. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109808] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 25: Ever heard of coordination and timing? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109809] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 26: Suggesting the alternate term Sonic should have said in an E10+ game, being "bulls**t." [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109810] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 27: First of all, Knuckles turns pink when he goes super. Second, Super Knuckles has been a thing since Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which are older than Mania. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109811] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 28: This is a scene manipulation. Those words DID mean something, as Tails literally explains that the words mean that he is fine and Sonic is not and that the fox is worried RIGHT AFTER Sonic commented on said words. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109812] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 29: **Referring to sin 39** What was the point of this sin? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109813] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 30: Okay, but where's the sin? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109814] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 31: Eggman hates Sonic. So much so, that he's unwilling to make an alliance unless he is desperate or out of self-preservation. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 109815] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 32: Sinning this scene. The first two were bad enough, but sinning the scene where Tails practically becomes depressed is just horrible. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 205592] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 33: And you went and sinned the same scene twice. Well that's just wonderful. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 309547] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 34: Skip! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 309548] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 35: Calling the Ancients stupid because of a f***ing pinball machine that triggers a volcanic eruption. That would be a genius trap if someone thought that beating the pinball machine would mean they get treasure. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 309549] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 36: "Was a poor lava?" The heck kind of grammar is that?! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 309550] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 37: Sinning Knight and its fight. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 324550] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 38: Also, "Of the subtle reference?" What?! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 324551] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 39: B*tch, please. Sonic will go out of his way to save his friends, no matter what happens to him. And he even stated during his earlier conversation with Sage on Chaos Island that he will stop the voice should he learn they are causing trouble. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 324552] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 40: Sinning the scene where the Ancients home planet got DESTROYED. That's worth 50 million sins. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 50324552] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 41: **Referring to sin 58** Sinning this scene. Sonic's friends were devastated to see him like this. The hedgehog could've died! [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 51399558] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 42: How dare you you son of a bi- Sonic's friends are sacrificing their physical forms to save him. You're telling me that saving someone's life through physical touch is considered pedophilia? Go back to school, a$$hat. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 51399658] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 43: First of all, stop calling Sage "Jade." Second, it's too late for either Sonic or Sage to say sorry to each other since the world is in danger and time is running short. Third, Sage sicced the Titans on Sonic because she thought he was trying to free The End on purpose, when he was not. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 51399661] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 44: And? Where's the sin? [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 51399662] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 45: Sinning Supreme. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: SUPREME BEATDOWN] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 46: The End's true appearance is unknown. It distorts the perception of who sees it to what they perceive as death. In the player's case, it's the moon. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 70000001] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 47: Sinning Sage's death. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 99999999] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    Turn 48: Typo detected. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100000000] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011}
    Turn 49: Also, Sonic was being sarcastic when he said that. [Dartigan SIN COUNTER: 100000001] [JOKE COUNTER: 0011]
    SIN COUNTER: 100000001
    SENTENCE: Sonic Frontiers needed an award.

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't you're really get anywhere when your first turn is dedicated to him sinning the game in the first place.

  • @potateo7504
    @potateo7504 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Whats weird about the serious story complaints is that sonic has always had serious stories, even in the 2d games.
    Sonic CD and 3 and knuckles already had pretty high stakes and serious plots and in one of those games you're already fighting a threat that was transforming a planet.
    While eggman is no god like being, its an odd complaint when nearly all of the Universally loved sonic games except Mania and Generations, have serious stories anyway.

    • @CyberdustStudios
      @CyberdustStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Replace Mania with colors and I'd agree with you there.

  • @lolschrauber
    @lolschrauber ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The speed thing being the only real gimmick really has been a problem. You can't make a good game out of just that. When half the Level plays itself because it'd be impossible to control, it kinda kills the fun

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What they could do is have his run have a Sonic Speed meter, where the world around you gets slower to represent him getting faster, and Super Sonic basically is just so fast that most are practically motionless compared to him.
      The game could start out pretty easy with the robots barely standing a chance, except for a stray bullet, but the get faster and/or more durable as you progress, making them more of a threat as the game progresses.

    • @whaleping
      @whaleping ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sounds like a Skill issue. 1st play-through, I had problems but the game gets easier by repeated plays. Thats been more Sonic's thing than 1-playthrough, seen-everything Mario.

    • @kadenbaio9758
      @kadenbaio9758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So you’ve only played Forces right?

    • @mio3199
      @mio3199 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah no this is sonic forces lol

    • @Jimbobalina1
      @Jimbobalina1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try Spark the Electric Jester 3 :)

  • @JameboHayabusa
    @JameboHayabusa ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you can tell who's a "true fan" in the comment section here lol. Have fun reading.

  • @Garagelab164
    @Garagelab164 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1. Knuckles was in the game because of a prologue
    2. Eggman didn’t want to work with Sonic and has done 5 times because of his selfish needs
    3. For a God of War fan HOW DID YOU NOT REMOVE A SIN FOR THE TITAN BOSSES

  • @Chev8703
    @Chev8703 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm gonna be honest here, I did not enjoy this video nearly as much as most of his other ones. Anyone else feel that way or just me?

    • @CraftBattleAxe
      @CraftBattleAxe ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I think it’s because this game isn’t Dartigan’s type of game, so he may have held back from most of his complaints about the gameplay and such since they may be controversial to those who this game was targeted for.

    • @Chev8703
      @Chev8703 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftBattleAxe
      Yeah you might be right.

    • @BlueBlur2003
      @BlueBlur2003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I normally like his content but this was one of his worst
      Dude straight up copied what IGN and other game reviewers have been saying about Sonic for decades now yet somehow he said it worse.
      It's like he missed out on a lot of the good 3D games, that or the games just might not be for him. Saying Sonic should retire from games and stick to other media is so stupid. 💀😭

  • @blackcitadel9
    @blackcitadel9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Shadow's story can be summed up as follows. "I will do anything to keep the promise I made to Maria."
    Who's Maria? You don't care Dartigan, you don't care.

    • @HabitualThinker
      @HabitualThinker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well no. That’s how people perceived shadow’s story. A lot of people including yourself don’t care enough to know what his actual story was, so you make one up.
      He was inspired to get revenge because of the loss of Maria, lost his memories in a really shit game, but decided he’d protect the world regardless of what humans did to him, even if it meant killing himself he even fights against mephiles for that exact purpose. Sega’s character assassination of shadow in shadow the hedgehog and boom sonic really fucked up how the public perceived him.

  • @sasir2013
    @sasir2013 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    the biggest sin for me is the level up system. It's so clear that it's there just to introduce even more pointless rewards, and sometimes it's hard to feel the difference between ten levels

  • @TheFurryMemelord
    @TheFurryMemelord ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So basically what you’re saying is you were already biased against Sonic Frontiers before you even started playing it and were determined to hate it the very second you booted it up, which means just like always you’re gonna find every little thing you can nitpick about this game so you can try to make it look as terrible as possible to everyone else and there was no way this game was possibly gonna win you over because you refuse to open your mind to the entire concept of 3D Sonic and will forever be biased and hateful against it
    Do yourself and the world a favor. Stop wasting your money and never buy another 3D Sonic game again

  • @mr__switch1825
    @mr__switch1825 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn, this really has all the typical dead horse sins and criticism of every sonic review since the dawn of TH-cam
    Really don't care if it's "ironic criticism"
    Bcs a sentence like "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" will make all of ur points invalid

  • @jameslambert5198
    @jameslambert5198 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The best parts of 3D Sonic are easily Adventure, Adventure 2 and Heroes. Shadow could have been rather good if it was done right. The concept was awesome. The game was incoherent at the best of times. There's a reason why Sonic Adventure 2 is so widely beloved. The six characters with three types of levels and the bosses were varied. I felt a sense of accomplishment beating the sand golem with Sonic, The Biohazard and Final Rush/Chase. And Tails had a proper moment near the end as he stared down Eggman. He had just seen his best friend blown apart. He was there to avenge his death as Amy was crying in the background. Plus it was really the last time we saw Robotnic as the main villain of a Sonic Game that was good. He outplayed Tails and Sonic. That's something he never gets to do nowadays without making the heroes look incompetent

    • @rabbittherabbit
      @rabbittherabbit ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I think you forgot unleashed, colors, generations, and the black knight. All those games were just as great,but I truly believe the conditioning from ign and TH-camrs shitting on these games so much the masses believe it too until they play it themselves. As we constantly see people uploading how these games are hidden gems

  • @tairyu2574
    @tairyu2574 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Wow, i thought there wouldn’t be a sonic game with enough plot to sin.

    • @calistusjay60
      @calistusjay60 ปีที่แล้ว

      This game has one of the lighter sonic stories.

    • @HabitualThinker
      @HabitualThinker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost every sonic game has plot, what exactly are you on about?

  • @BigBoyBren2006
    @BigBoyBren2006 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So many sins were..very questionable and some were just false or didn’t make sense

  • @PoeticMonroe
    @PoeticMonroe ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So you say sonic should have stayed 2D cause that’s where he is good at, but have you not played Adventure, Adventure 2, and Heroes? Those games were good 3D sonic games and to see him catch a second wind is a breath of fresh air.

  • @TheIllusiveMan11
    @TheIllusiveMan11 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    So a decent number of these sins aren't real sins. Before I get to going over them, I'll get this out of the way. Yes I am a Sonic Fan. Yes I know how messed up the fanbase can be. Yes I know this is a parody of cinema sins and it at least trying to be funny. Got it? Cool.
    0:13 - So there's three issues here. One, Shadow and Silver aren't just 'edgy sonic' and 'psychic sonic', they're distinct characters with their own personalities and motivations. (Also Silver isn't psychic he's telekinetic, big difference). The only similarity is that they're hedgehogs with superpowers. That's like saying Vegeta is just angry Goku. Two, the reason they don't end Sonic as a video game character is because he still brings in a load of cash for SEGA. Plus while his games' quality is inconsistent it is not in decline just yet. Third, 'barely manages tepid reviews'? So 91% of reviews on steam being positive, 71 meta score and 8.2 user score on meta critic is 'tepid reviews'? That's just factually incorrect, Sonic Frontiers was very well received and highly praised. (-3 Sins)
    3:15 - They're not 'conveniently' flying over that island, they're specifically investigating Eggman's activity. And it's explained that they were digitised by Sage trying to keep out variables from her primary directive of protecting Eggman after she seized control of the Ancient's technology. Sonic escaped thanks for being able to navigate the area as well as his own raw power. (-2 Sins)
    4:05 - He does question it, several times its pointed out that this could be a trap. Sonic is completely aware of this, but he doesn't have an alternative option so he's going along with it.
    4:46 - Odd how you didn't mention the map that's on a literal volcano, perhaps because that one IS different?
    5:00 - So the basic enemies are easy to kill and that makes it bad? Like how in Titanfall grunts are quick kills? Or how in Mario Goombas just need to be jumped on? The basic enemies are easy to fight because they help create a power trip. But you didn't mention how even the basic enemies get harder to fight at the game goes on. Developing new defensive and offensive moves to counter the player. That's very much a positive.
    5:27 - That's called a gameplay loop.
    6:44 - It's explained that this is because Sonic's friend's presence in the physical world is not stable. Those tokens allow their presence to be stabilised enough for Sonic to talk to them.
    6:55 - Errm no? Most Sonic Villains do not go through that. Knuckles, Silver, Shadow, Sage and the Babalon Rogues do, though an argument can be made that the Rogues don't. In terms of new villains that don't under go that, you've got: Mephiles, Metal Sonic, The End, Infinite, Black Doom, Dark Gaia, the Deadly Six & Lyric. Even if you count the Rogues, that's not even a 50/50 split. Also, if you somehow know nothing about the second most popular Sonic character then don't bring him up. (-2 Sins)
    7:23 - Again, no. Even out of his Super Form, Sonic is very durable. This is well established.
    7:55 - She does this for literally one Koco pairing. And no others.
    8:02 - Well it's not a simulation, a simulation is specifically designed to simulate an environment. Cyberpsace is a storage system for the Ancient's intellects and memories, they're given physical form when Sonic's friends and Eggman are stored there but it was not built for that. So no, it's not a simulation.
    8:09 - Yes.
    8:30 - Dude, you're not helping.
    8:55 - And here the empty worlds served to create an aura of mystery as to why they were so empty. They show off the vast space that you now have the speed to explore. And provide clear lines of sight for your next objective. Frontiers drew inspiration from Shadow of the Colossus but is doing its own thing.
    9:13 - He's shot down by the island's automated defences. The game doesn't say that because it's bloody obvious? And the Ancient's technology does partially use the Emeralds, but it's implied they either had a more efficient way of using that energy which has since degraded, or they were simply one part of a wider network. (-2 Sins)
    9:42 - They just did? He was investigating ruins and got transported here. Plus there's a short on TH-cam that goes into more detail.
    9:51 - Because Sage is a digital construct. She's a being of cyberspace like Knuckles is. So the energy beam can be blocked by a hologram.
    10:08 - No doubt they had a better way to do it, but Sonic can't activated they mechanism so they have to use this.
    10:21 - The past memories help to build toward the mystery of what happened. So they very much do relate to reality. As for the minigame, in this case, constantly being crushed by pillars, even if harmless, certainly counts as being pinned down. (-2 Sins)
    10:35 - This game has a tiny blue hedgehog who can run at super speed and magic rocks....and...you're asking...about physics?
    10:45 - It was a last stand, all their orbital defences had been destroyed, it was a last ditch effort to by themselves time rather than genuinely hoping a wall would stop The End.
    10:58 - No, when Sonic went into Cyberspace, he interfaced with it. It altered his brain to allow him to see these markers and utilise them.
    11:20 - It does. They cannot replace a real family, but Knuckles is grateful to have friends he can depend upon.
    11:48 - They just held their fists close.
    12:20 - Sage transferred one of the emeralds to power the Titain in this zone. The other emeralds were held in specialised containment units that required those keys to open. The Titains were made as part of that last stand I mentioned. So they were likely more interested in just getting it working. Plus what better security is there than the giant robot its strapped to?
    12:28 - Since Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and he kind of appears in Sonic Heroes. He turns pink not purple. And Super Knuckles gives him indestructability, flight and further improves his strength. (-3 Sins)
    12:37 - It's the island's defences. Already established.
    12:55 - They mean Sonic is getting sick from the constant use of Cyberspace. Again, easy to understand.
    13:28 - No doubt they did, but the Ancient's tech has eroded with time and been damaged by theinvasion. Perhaps those files were simply lost.
    13:36 - Yeah, she's collecting data to understand Sonic. Eggman programmed her as Sonic's enemy, so she is surprised by how caring he is.
    13:44 - So you're unwilling to do a two second Google search? Cool. And for the record, they aren't discrepancies. (-2 Sins)
    13:55 - They wanted to get data from Eggman's computers. The robot's weapons activating was an accident.
    14:37 - Again, she's collecting data about Sonic. Who better to ask than Tails?
    15:06 - Don't fix what ain't broke
    15:32 - The word of the day is stubborness.
    15:47 - The other games are mentioned in the other zones too.
    15:54 - It could have been worded better, but it's not wrong.
    16:37 - Same finish line, but different journeys.
    16:50 - All the times he used Cyber energy in his body to interact with the Ancient's tech?
    17:30 - Not a sin of this game
    17:35 - It is not. Regarding not mentioning the 'worst Sonic games', they do. Shadow the Hedgehog is mentioned cause Eggman brings up the Black Arms. Neo Metal is a direct reference to Sonic Heroes. And Sonic '06 isn't mentioned cause the events of that game were wiped from the timeline. So mentioning it would be impossible.
    17:47 - So you know what happened. What's the sin?
    18:12 - He doesn't trust it, but he doesn't have a choice. Sage won't listen to him and following the voice's instructions is helping his friends. So he's going to keep going.
    18:40 - They probably did, but again, centuries of wear and tear, combined with the totally destruction from their enemy and the loss of power no doubt corrupted or scattered this information.
    18:59 - 'Tiabs.' Also, Sonic has met aliens and literal gods. This is an average Tuesday for him. (-2 sins)
    19:11 - It's the harmful negative affect of switching between Cyberspace and real space. This is well established in the game.
    19:44 - Her name is Sage, not Jade. You got this right before so there's no excuse beyond laziness.
    20:18 - Immident invasion is to time for an apology, those come later. Plus she was trying to keep Sonic away from Eggman, that was priority number one for her. She was acomplishing that goal. (-2 Sins)
    20:39 - The Ancients were simply incapable of this, Sage managed to rework it so they could because she wanted to keep Eggman safe.
    21:01 - It's done quietly lazily, but would you rather it wasn't done at all?
    21:28 - He did. And?
    22:18 - If they don't destroy it, the evil has control over a very powerful Titan that the world cannot defend against. But they would be able to use the Titain against it.
    23:00 - That is subjective.
    Non-Sins: 62
    74 - 62 = 12
    Actual sin count: 12

    • @TheIllusiveMan11
      @TheIllusiveMan11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @sonic 1995 Even when I pointed out the times he was factually incorrect?

    • @SnuSnuDungeon
      @SnuSnuDungeon ปีที่แล้ว

      🤡

    • @TheIllusiveMan11
      @TheIllusiveMan11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @sonic 1995 I repeat my earlier statement

    • @TheIllusiveMan11
      @TheIllusiveMan11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SnuSnuDungeon 🤓

    • @TheIllusiveMan11
      @TheIllusiveMan11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @sonic 1995 How exactly are they excuses? And why is that a bad thing?

  • @elpepo0
    @elpepo0 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    12:24 what kind of "sin" is that? He just made a joke, for his rivalry with Sonic. Plus, it's a reference to Sonic & Knuckles, Sonic 2 and 3, and maybe even Sonic Heroes

  • @tonythunder6048
    @tonythunder6048 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I saw he misspelled Titans as “Titabs” around the 19:00 and now I wanna go back to other vids just to see typos. Idk why I want to do that, but it’s an excuse to watch his vids again

    • @jtmmmm27
      @jtmmmm27 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's a mork instead of mock on the intro.

  • @tyleroutland435
    @tyleroutland435 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I personally really loved sonic frontiers

    • @raimyonlinewarrior236
      @raimyonlinewarrior236 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Most people did actually.
      But i kinda expected how this whole thing would go as it's gaming sins.
      So i just laughed and had a good time listening to this.

  • @PilaCiu
    @PilaCiu ปีที่แล้ว +24

    9:45 Knuckles originally was in the intro cutscene, they cut him mid-development to have something they can make an animation about due to having no other ideas.

    • @PlebNC
      @PlebNC ปีที่แล้ว +6

      To be fair, the animation is really good.

    • @PilaCiu
      @PilaCiu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PlebNC Yeah! Look at the Chao!

    • @episodicteen1024
      @episodicteen1024 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      THANK YOU!!! I really don't like it when they sin stuff that they don't know about and just get into the game.
      Not to blame the guy, but it just pisses me off when he sins without doing some external research.

  • @jakespacepiratee3740
    @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I VOTE HOGWARTS LEGACY! Also still highly recommend Forespoken. Its an easy slam-dunk hate bandwagon that nobody would disagree with.

    • @demonintellect9834
      @demonintellect9834 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would love to hear him shit all over the god awful dialogue the character loves to spout

  • @muhammedraashid3667
    @muhammedraashid3667 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sonic had a rough transiston to 3d.
    That's all I needed to hear to convice me to close this video.

  • @brandonwilliams6119
    @brandonwilliams6119 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    That very first sin is so deep and a lot to think about I love how it goes into detail on what Sega has been doing with Sonic, mismanaging the franchise and all that but *It doesn’t matter* what happens he will never give up he’s always here with us. What you see is what you get he’s Sonic the Hedgehog, just a guy who loves Adventure and trying new things even if it doesn’t work out well, the Sonic series embodies trying something new in life whether it’s a job or a hobby like becoming an artist and learning to draw and to be to be honest we all have those *Rough Transitions* into new things we never tried before and it goes as far as growing up and going through puberty and finally becoming an adult and deciding on our career and what we want to do for the rest of our lives.
    Thank you for reading!

    • @seanibarra-loredo7290
      @seanibarra-loredo7290 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I see what you did there ;)

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Its really not that deep. If anything, you were deeper. He's literally saying Sonic should be killed as a franchise and shouldnt try to have deeper stories, which this game is a living testament against.

    • @starofjustice1
      @starofjustice1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jakespacepiratee3740 "Its really not that deep. If anything, you were deeper. He's literally saying Sonic should be killed as a franchise and shouldnt try to have deeper stories, which this game is a living testament against."
      No offense, but you sound like you're getting defensive because somebody had the opposite reaction to something you did. People get to do that, for now.

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I'm sorry, but it sounds like your trying to justify Sonics' many failures as some type of meta commentary on the franchise itself. SEGA refuses to give up with Sonic because he's there mascot, their main draw and money maker. You don't do much growing when your "rough transition" lasts for nearly two decades.

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@starofjustice1 It isnt about reaction, this game actually did well so the idea that the franchise should die now of all times is ridiculus.

  • @gigaganon
    @gigaganon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never was a 3D sonic fan, majority of them are pretty bad, but sonic frontier i had legit fun with it, been so long since i did with a sonic game, it's definitely not perfect and there's still some issue, but i hope they'll keep that formula going forward and make it better along the years
    they need to drop the cyberstages though, stop trying to cling to the past and go forward, these were easily the worst part of the game, thankfully you can avoid them all by just doing open world stuff or fishing

    • @armae1497
      @armae1497 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you play any other play generations. It's really good.

  • @Okil_Atlas
    @Okil_Atlas ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think one sin should be taken off for the weirdly amazing ost for the game. None of those fucking bangers sound right in thr game at all, but there just amazing

  • @Cyphyxia
    @Cyphyxia ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This game proves that sonic shouldn't be trusted with the chaos emeralds he keeps losing them

    • @jayceallen6530
      @jayceallen6530 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He actually got them smacked outta him each time but sure i guess

    • @Cyphyxia
      @Cyphyxia ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jayceallen6530 yeah but in every game sonic needs to find the chaos emeralds "because plot" but the chaos emeralds are supposed to be the most powerful things in the universe the only exception being the master emerald logically if someone keeps losing something that makes them a god as long as they have at least 50 rings you would do your best to keep them safe by making a device or something tails got his plane to fly with one in sonic adventure 1 and in sonic adventure 2 he made a near identical chaos emerald that a machine couldn't tell the difference from the real one and could even use the chaos control teleport ability so there is nothing other than plot that would stop tails from making a device that would stop sonic from losing them

  • @MasterJunior93
    @MasterJunior93 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Okay, in defense of Jaleel White, keep in mind that he was still a kid during his voice recordings for the Sonic SATAM, and he did well voicing Sonic the Hedgehog in a cartoon appealing to children. Roger Craig Smith also did surprisingly well voicing a mature but still laid back Sonic the Hedgehog for a wider audience comprising of children and young adults. Not to mention that Roger's VA filmography qualifies him for the role, although i will admit there are moments when his Chris Redfield voice does bleed over on occassions, and even though he isn't Jason Griffith, he's still a fitting voice for Sonic. Lastly, you are comparing a seasoned voice actor to a live action film actor that has little VA experience aside from the Lego Movies where he used his Star Lord voice with minimal differences, not even so much as a different accent. So of course casting Chris Pratt as Mario rather than his iconic AND long lasting voice actor Charles Martinet will in fact feel very wrong and awkward. It's like casting Tom Hanks to voice Optimus Prime for the live action movies, which ALMOST did happen, but when Tom Hanks found out about Peter Cullen auditioning for the role of Optimus Prime, he willingly stepped down to give Peter a winning chance to land the role... And it worked.
    VAs that have been playing their respective characters for god knows how many years do deserve a chance to voice their characters on the big screen rather than the Hollywood route of casting celebrities that don't really fit the role. This is a sin on the industry itself and i wish they would stop doing this practice.
    19:52 you seriously couldn't devote time into redoing that line? This is Sage, not Jade.

    • @camoplant199
      @camoplant199 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And that one line being incorrect is so bad why?

  • @purrgiri9862
    @purrgiri9862 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    19:00 i mean if sonic had ring for every alien race he dealt with he would be the richest hedgehog in existence it kind of makes sense why he isn't fazed

  • @davidpumpkinsjr.5108
    @davidpumpkinsjr.5108 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'd love to see Dartigan go back to an earlier age and sin the Legacy of Kain series.
    I'm not sure what's the greater sin, that the series wasn't given a proper finale or that Blood Omen 2 was made in the first place.

    • @SinHurr
      @SinHurr ปีที่แล้ว

      Minus infinite sins for Tony Jay's voice over.

  • @Nekucloud
    @Nekucloud ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So Sonic Frontiers is just a worst Shadow of the Colossus that's bombarded with references to past games with cringy dialogue? Great.😩

  • @tikogen9121
    @tikogen9121 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean a couple of the things he says are correct, but this seems like a critique without any research, you can’t just judge without any knowledge.

  • @kingvenus7093
    @kingvenus7093 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    *sigh* I truly hate to admit it but you have a point when it comes to sonic as a video game character he has definitely had more misses than hits since transitioning to 3d . I got into sonic when I was 5 and my mom found the old game gear and had sonic chaos, I’ve loved this character a lot. I will say this game is nowhere near perfect and I have a few of the same complaints but in my opinion at least this is one of the “good” 3d sonic games up there with unleashed and colors(yea I know those are still debated ) because at the very least they seemed like they wanted to make a decent game instead of being rushed from the start. This game def could have used at least another year in development to fix the more annoying problems like the pop in but I see this game as good as a heavily worked on sonic fan game which by no means should be the golden standard but I like that they at least put some care into it. That’s it lol

    • @smithandsuperdeadeyeofthew823
      @smithandsuperdeadeyeofthew823 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sonic did not have a rough transition to 3-D yall need to stop with that look at sonic adventure and sonic adventure 2
      Sonic heroes
      Sonic unleashed
      Sonic colors
      Sonic Generations

  • @RachetRiolu
    @RachetRiolu ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’ve followed these vids for a number of years, but this one just seems mean-spirited and designed to antagonize Sonic fans lol

    • @sometf2player752
      @sometf2player752 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      what else is new, for some reason there are people who just really hate sonic for literally no reason thankfully these people are few in numbers nowadays due to sonics successes recently

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's because Sonic fans make it so easy to be antagonized. Face it. Sonic fans are the laughing stalk of fan bases

    • @RachetRiolu
      @RachetRiolu ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@StephonZeno you can’t even spell laughing stock. Perhaps making fun of others shouldn’t be on the forefront of your mind.

    • @StephonZeno
      @StephonZeno ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RachetRiolu This is also TH-cam comments, so who gives a fuck? Now, I"m just gonna leave it that way to annoy you.

  • @AzureRoxe
    @AzureRoxe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I will continue to think that Sonic Frontier's map is simply an unused Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis map. It's even the same graphical style.
    Hell, even the style of the game is VERY reminiscent to New Genesis.

  • @L16htW4rr10r
    @L16htW4rr10r ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Uhh, your mention of your dad story kind of surprised me. What happened to your dad until he got into prison?

    • @demonintellect9834
      @demonintellect9834 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's probably just dark humor. I wouldn't take it seriously.

    • @SyndicateOperative
      @SyndicateOperative ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I swear this reads like an AI bot inquiring about awkward topics.

    • @BoleDaPole
      @BoleDaPole ปีที่แล้ว

      His dad was the UniBomber

  • @custardcream2226
    @custardcream2226 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you think Sonic Adventure and Sonic Generations were bad games, I pity you.

  • @Tarotb
    @Tarotb ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Glad to hear so my of my issues with the game vocalised, especially the bridge; it could have been excused if Sonic had just boosted 'ha, bet I can do it in less than a minute.'
    To be fair though, I think the reason the AI kept brushing Sonic off was she was specifically ordered not to consider an alliance by Robotnic.

  • @blueripper1558
    @blueripper1558 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Honestly the trope where the villain is only evil because the real bad guy tricked them into thinking the good guy is evil is getting very old
    (Talking about the trope in general because he mentioned it not because it's in the story)

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Especially for Sonic. It's always either a would be good guy tricked by Robotnic, or a giant world ending monster because evil.

    • @seanibarra-loredo7290
      @seanibarra-loredo7290 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sage didn't become a good guy tho. She just wanted to make an alliance to ensure their survival. Unless you're referring to Shadow and Knuckles, in which case they're rivals at least.

    • @rabbittherabbit
      @rabbittherabbit ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Denver Arnold I'm going to ask you a serious question. Did ya play the game or watch the cutscences to find out the story. Because if ya did, you would know that sage is falling into that trope and that the final boss isn't a giant monster that's evil because evil, but instead is the embodiment of death, which is the the games theme, death and the many forms it comes to us as. For sonic it's a dead lifeless planet, for boots it's a wolf, etc etc.

    • @denverarnold6210
      @denverarnold6210 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rabbittherabbit i did not, I admit I was making a bit of a sweeping generalization, but the main point stands. Some big, malevolent or destructive force, whether Chaos or the perfect being from Adventure or Dark Gaia, comes in from a third act twist that either out of nowhere, or totally transparent, and Sonic has to fight it.
      I just miss the good old days when you were just fighting bigger and bigger robots or traps that Robotnic made.

    • @blueripper1558
      @blueripper1558 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rabbittherabbit no I didn't do either mainly because I don't play Sonic games much, I was talking about the trope because he mentions it not talking about the story, I never mention Sage

  • @SinHurr
    @SinHurr ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh I get it now. We've been looking at this all wrong. Sonic Frontiers is just Nier Automata suffocating in a fur suit.

  • @SolarisGames
    @SolarisGames ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wanted to wait until I watched the whole video. I appreciate you covering the game cus a lot of points you make are solid points, but there are times where it reads like you're just not giving the game a chance for enjoyment, which kinda sucks. that is all.

  • @yuanntu
    @yuanntu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There's genuinely a lot of good 3d sonic games and this rough transition to 3D thing is a meme

  • @Salty_Suds
    @Salty_Suds ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nuh uh, I refuse to accept that Sonic frontiers got less sins than The Last of Us

  • @assassinscreedwalkthroughs7314
    @assassinscreedwalkthroughs7314 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hogwarts legacy next please

  • @SinHurr
    @SinHurr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Goddamn I wish I could sub twice just for that Sega style EWW intro. Flashed back *hard* my childhood in the 90s.

  • @roydrage7545
    @roydrage7545 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was there for the twitch streams it was just as bad on there as it was in this video. (Side Note: Sub on twitch.)

  • @KaveonMatthews
    @KaveonMatthews ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who else came from DestroyerShy's video?

  • @Zylo82
    @Zylo82 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dead space is far quicker game to make a video for than Hogwarts.

  • @JAYDOG1337A
    @JAYDOG1337A 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm gonna be honest, I actually liked the game, I even platinumed it.